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Epstein's Death Story Just Fell Apart — CIA, Mossad, and the Files OH MY! · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: I've wanted to know since day one everything, ALESSI. I
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Speaker 1: don't think that we should be anything should be hidden
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Speaker 1: from us. Why should we be in the dark. We
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Speaker 1: were told three million pages, ten million pages. The Southern
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Speaker 1: District of New York has a truckload of pages. They're
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Speaker 1: on my desk, said Pam Bondy. Why don't we know
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Speaker 1: everything about Epstein?
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Speaker 2: Well, definitely seems like there's some level of cover up,
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Speaker 2: and that doesn't just mutually keep it that it's just
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Speaker 2: the Trump cabinet by any means.
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Speaker 3: I think it's been something that's been going on for
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Speaker 3: a long time.
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Speaker 2: You know, the Biden administration had four years and they
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Speaker 2: didn't discuss it once, and it makes you wonder, you know,
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Speaker 2: why wasn't that brought up. But then of course when
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Speaker 2: it comes down Epstein under the Trump admin they're very
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Speaker 2: happy to go after and for that. So it really
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Speaker 2: seems like it's a cover up at the highest level.
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Speaker 2: And again this is all puer speck or I like
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Speaker 2: to say speculation. I don't have any evidence as to
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Speaker 2: who might behind it, what's behind it. But we do
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Speaker 2: know is there's still three million files. You know that
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Speaker 2: it seems to be in the hands of the Trump Admin.
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Speaker 2: They have the capability to release it. We've seen prominent
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Speaker 2: congress people like Marjorie Taylor Green who have called out
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Speaker 2: and said we should release it, and apparently there's been
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Speaker 2: some conversations with her and Trump on her last days
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Speaker 2: working as a congresswoman and essentially put it in the
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Speaker 2: phrase that you know, there's some friends of mine that
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Speaker 2: can get hurt.
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Speaker 3: Apparently that's what was allegedly spoken.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know what that means, but optically speaking,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily look good for the Trump Admin. People
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Speaker 2: my age are right now very confused because he ran
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Speaker 2: on it and he didn't need to, that's the thing.
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Speaker 2: He didn't need to run on this, but he made
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Speaker 2: it a big policy where people ask him He's like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to try to release it. And then day one,
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Speaker 2: you know, they had that whole thing where they gathered
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Speaker 2: all the conservative influencers. They went out read the piece
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Speaker 2: of paper being like, we got the files. Yeah, And
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Speaker 2: it turns out it was everything we kind of already knew.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was nothing new in there. Well, let
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Speaker 1: me piggyback on this. But Nancy Mace also wanted them
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Speaker 1: released and she says she was gonna name names. But
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Speaker 1: let's speculate together about the Biden administration not releasing anything.
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Speaker 1: And the reason why I want to go there is
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Speaker 1: they indicted Trump ninety one times between the time he
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Speaker 1: was the president and the time he became the president again.
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Speaker 1: Ninety one times. They did everything, in my opinion, to
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Speaker 1: stop this guy from running and winning again, and they
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Speaker 1: failed in those four years. Even if Biden was afraid
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Speaker 1: that his name would show up or some friends name,
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Speaker 1: they could have reacted all of that and released everything
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Speaker 1: that would have implicated Donald Trump. So I make the
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Speaker 1: assumption that Trump himself is not implicated criminally in anything
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Speaker 1: that's in the Epstein files, So why then aren't we
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Speaker 1: getting all of it? It cann't be as simple as
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Speaker 1: my friends might get hurt. And why didn't Biden release anything?
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Speaker 1: If they had the goods on Trump, wouldn't they have
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Speaker 1: released it to stop him from becoming president again?
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Speaker 2: You would think so. Again, it's such a complicated issue
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Speaker 2: at this point, where again I tend to believe that
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Speaker 2: it's not just a one party thing. I think it
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Speaker 2: seems to be two types. Both parties involved people that
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Speaker 2: have been obviously shown in it. You know you have recently,
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Speaker 2: I think the greatest example of this being more than
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Speaker 2: just a two party system, but one party uniting on
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Speaker 2: this topic is you have Bill Clint.
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Speaker 3: Depositions that took place. And the reason I bring those
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Speaker 3: up is he went out of his way.
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Speaker 2: A guy who is a fierce rival and his wife,
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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton, fierce rival of Trump in the twenty fifteen election,
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Speaker 2: he went out of his way to say I just
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Speaker 2: want to say also that Trump's not implicated.
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Speaker 3: Now I don't know what that means, but this is
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Speaker 3: a fierce rival.
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Speaker 2: This is a guy in twenty fifteen, right before the
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Speaker 2: Missouri or the presidential debate between Hillary and Trump, goes
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Speaker 2: on stage and accuses Bill Clinton of sexually assaulting and
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Speaker 2: you know, doing the horrific things to women. And earlier
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Speaker 2: that day held a press conference with all the accused
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Speaker 2: women that.
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Speaker 3: Vis Clinton reluxively touched right all those things.
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Speaker 2: And this is of course during the time of the
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Speaker 2: Hollywood Access tape.
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Speaker 3: So you think of the timing of that where it's like, joy,
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Speaker 3: I would say.
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Speaker 2: If you ever accused me of some horrific crime like that,
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Speaker 2: I don't think I would be your friend. I think
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Speaker 2: if you're making those shots and calling that against me,
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Speaker 2: I would be.
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Speaker 3: Furious and angry. But then you have this guy, almost
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Speaker 3: a decade.
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Speaker 2: Later on the Epstein deposition, going out of his way,
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Speaker 2: not even being questioned about this from the congressional people
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Speaker 2: that were there in the House committee, and saying, I
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Speaker 2: also want to put out that it Trump had.
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Speaker 3: Nothing to do with this or whatever. Optically it's crazy.
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Speaker 2: You look at the timeline, it just I can't help
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Speaker 2: but say there's something there, there's a thread that needs
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Speaker 2: to be pulled on. I don't know why he would
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Speaker 2: go out his way to do that, because again, like
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Speaker 2: I said, if I ever accused you of something like that,
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Speaker 2: I doubt, even ten years later, you would go out
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Speaker 2: of your way to almost defend me in some capacity.
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Speaker 2: In regards to you, this would be the nail on
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Speaker 2: the coffin if you wanted to end Trump right there,
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Speaker 2: nail the coffin.
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Speaker 3: But he doesn't.
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Speaker 2: So I tend to think and that again I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying Trump at all is the things that are being
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Speaker 2: said about him. There's no actual evidence saying he's done anything.
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Speaker 2: And as you mentioned, but optically speaking, you wonder in
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Speaker 2: terms of the two parties. Why there hasn't been something
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Speaker 2: done in the last eight years at least, especially since
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen when Epstein allegedly died.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Alessie Alloment. Go and follow him over on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: Alessi eloman all one word over on YouTube. Great storyteller,
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Speaker 1: incredible YouTube creator. I'm glad to have you on today.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you somebody you mentioned in passing, why
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Speaker 1: are people eighteen to thirty five so interested in the story?
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it has to do with
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Speaker 2: one the whole thing of you have this guy that
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Speaker 2: has intelligence links to possibly the Masade and CIA, so espionage,
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Speaker 2: that's the topic that interests.
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Speaker 3: Many young people.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, you think James Bond films, You think
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Speaker 2: of the Americans' homeland that were in the Zeitgeis that
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Speaker 2: people were just fascinated by. But then you find out
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Speaker 2: that this guy's like a multi billionaire, he's trafficking young girls,
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Speaker 2: he has an island like it sets the stage for
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Speaker 2: like a James Bond film, Like you would think, like
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Speaker 2: this guy is literally a James Bond villain, And so
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Speaker 2: personally speaking, you become interested in it. And then once
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Speaker 2: you start to find out the horrific details that there
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Speaker 2: are so many a list celebrities involved, so many people
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Speaker 2: like Prince Andrew, the Royal family implicated buddy of this
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Speaker 2: random New York guy from Long Island.
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Speaker 3: Epstein, You're like, who is this? Who is this kind of.
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Speaker 2: Mister magoodoo that shows up everywhere and anywhere? And then
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Speaker 2: he has tied all these people. He's got photos with Oprah,
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Speaker 2: photos with Bill Gates, photos with Michael Jackson.
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Speaker 3: You're just like, what the heck? How do I not
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Speaker 3: know about this guy? Why is he not all over
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Speaker 3: the place?
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Speaker 2: And then after his again alleged death, the suspicions just
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Speaker 2: ran ran up, you know, in that whatever it was
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Speaker 2: July or August twenty nineteen, when he supposedly offed himself,
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Speaker 2: it was so clear his day to everyone my age
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Speaker 2: being like, there's no way this guy died. When you
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Speaker 2: say the cameras went out, you're saying that all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden, that the guys took the shift, the security guards.
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Speaker 3: Weren't there at the right time, right, nothing was adding up.
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Speaker 2: And then apparently, and again I could be corrected on this,
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Speaker 2: that they took out a double body, another body out
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Speaker 2: so the camera people wouldn't take photos of it.
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Speaker 3: None of it is making sense.
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Speaker 2: And so because of that, people like myself, a lot
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Speaker 2: of people my age, we've gone ahead and decided to
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Speaker 2: do these deep dive investigations and then credit to the
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Speaker 2: Trump cabinet. They did release three million files, they did
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Speaker 2: release a two hour interview of Steve Bannon and Epstein,
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Speaker 2: where we now.
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Speaker 3: Have something to work with. But again there's supposedly another
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Speaker 3: three six million.
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Speaker 1: Who knows, ALESSI all of it. He is a great
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Speaker 1: creator for on YouTube. If you were under oath and
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Speaker 1: could possibly spend a lot of time in prison, if
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Speaker 1: you didn't give the right answer, what would you say
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Speaker 1: or who would you say? Epstein was? Through your deep
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Speaker 1: dives and your storytelling you your documentary or your documenting
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Speaker 1: of all this. Who was Jeffrey Epstein in your mind?
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Speaker 2: If you put a gun to my head, I would
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Speaker 2: say he is an access agent that worked for the Masade.
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Speaker 2: And then in two thousand and eight, probably around that
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Speaker 2: time when Alexander Costa and Florida gave him that sweetheart deal,
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Speaker 2: it seems that you know, the CIA also knew about
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Speaker 2: him at that time. So I think the CIA saw
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Speaker 2: his value because from what I've heard from former CIA officers,
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Speaker 2: an access agent is valuable in the sense of, you know,
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Speaker 2: if you're going to recruit a Bill Clinton, you can't
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Speaker 2: just go like, oh, I'm going to get blackmail whatever
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Speaker 2: he's do whatever I want.
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Speaker 3: Apparently it's not that easy. Again, that's what they say.
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Speaker 2: So in order to get someone right there one below,
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Speaker 2: you find someone like an Epstein who's in that inner circle.
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Speaker 3: You know, he was a donor to Bill.
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Speaker 2: Clinton's nineteen ninety one election in is at a couple
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Speaker 2: of the White House, I think seventeen times something like that.
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Speaker 2: So he's right there, he's in that inner circle. He's
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Speaker 2: intimately knowing all the people that are involved. So you
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Speaker 2: get access to that guy, you use Epstein, and then
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Speaker 2: from there you can then build whatever you need and
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Speaker 2: get access to the information to then whatever get back.
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Speaker 3: To your HQ, whatever country you're trying to help.
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Speaker 1: In that case, do you think that Trump screwed it
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Speaker 1: all up in the early two thousands because he literally
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Speaker 1: did kick Epstein out of mar A Lago. Epstein was
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Speaker 1: treating a member's daughter badly and Trump got him out
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Speaker 1: of mar A Lago. But then we also have official
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Speaker 1: records that he contacted the local authorities and said, you
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Speaker 1: got to do something about this Epstein guy. Do you
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Speaker 1: think that he screwed it up somehow, because again I
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Speaker 1: don't know why he's not just just signing, let's release everything.
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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I couldn't agree with you more. And
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Speaker 1: I do think that there might be some protection of
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Speaker 1: friends going on. But in the day, he didn't mind
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Speaker 1: telling the authorities this guy's a bad dude, You've got
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Speaker 1: to do something about him. And he kicked him out
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Speaker 1: of his club. What have you found out in research
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Speaker 1: that part of it?
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Speaker 2: That part of it, it seems again very credible in
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Speaker 2: the sense that he tried to kick out that girl
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Speaker 2: that or kick out Epstein because of what he was
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Speaker 2: doing there. And again I guess the trail kind of
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Speaker 2: goes cold there in terms of the relation with Trump.
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Speaker 3: So we don't really have any specifics from.
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Speaker 2: That point onwards in terms of the relation, if it
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Speaker 2: was there or not. So you know, we've had I've
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Speaker 2: seen interviews of Mark Epstein, which is Jeffrey Epstein's brother,
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Speaker 2: he only last living relative, and he's made claims that
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Speaker 2: in confidence him and Epstein, who were strange and became close,
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Speaker 2: very suspect character. Nonetheless, he made comments being like, if
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Speaker 2: you knew what I knew on both these candidates, referring
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Speaker 2: to Clinton and Trump during that twenty fifteen election cycle.
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Speaker 3: We would have we wouldn't have an election.
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Speaker 2: So I don't even know if that's necessarily anything. It
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Speaker 2: could be just a nothing burger, but it seems to
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Speaker 2: check out in terms of what he did there back
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Speaker 2: in two thousand and four.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think we I think it's who was it.
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Speaker 2: I think it was a late Senator John McCain's wife
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Speaker 2: or somebody said they were like, we knew about this
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Speaker 2: Epstein guy. Everyone knew his reputation, so it wasn't like
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Speaker 2: this is some bombshell thing in two thousand and eight
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Speaker 2: with that sweetheart deal. Before then, everyone knew, like, there
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Speaker 2: was this guy. He had an island. He's bringing all
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Speaker 2: these young girls around. People want to go to the
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Speaker 2: island because it's a good time.
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Speaker 3: Or whatever they think. So he there was a reputation
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Speaker 3: about this guy.
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Speaker 1: What's amazing about the entire thing is, I'm with you,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's dead or alive. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's a legitimate question as to whether this guy really died.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't appear to have been a guy that we've
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Speaker 1: seen on these videos of of his testimony and depositions
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Speaker 1: that would never ever harm himself. He's really very full
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Speaker 1: of himself. I don't think this is a guy that
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Speaker 1: would just say, ah, I'm not going to stay in
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Speaker 1: the Metro, you know, New York whatever. The holding place
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Speaker 1: was much longer. Let me put this sheet around my neck.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. And you're right, the camera
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Speaker 1: all going out and what guard fell asleep and there
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Speaker 1: was a change in shift and buh ba bup. What
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Speaker 1: do you think really happened? And are you convinced that
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Speaker 1: he's dead? I'm guessing not because you've said allegedly killed
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Speaker 1: himself a few times. Is he still with us?
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Speaker 2: So if you asked me this four months ago, I
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Speaker 2: would have said he's probably dead. And then Julian Dorry
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Speaker 2: went with former CIA operator Andrew Bustimani and they recreated
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Speaker 2: the entire cell and they actually brought in Epstein's old cellmate.
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Speaker 2: They brought in a forensic expert, and they staged it
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Speaker 2: to a t what it looked like to like the
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Speaker 2: most minor details from what they have in the photographs,
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Speaker 2: and if you watch that Discovery episode with Julian and
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Speaker 2: Andrew Bustimani going through it, it's very clear it is
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Speaker 2: entirely possible they got him out of there and that
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Speaker 2: they used a body double or something. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if that's actually what happened, but I'm ninety five percent
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Speaker 2: convinced that he's still alive.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, wait, there's a minute missing in
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Speaker 1: the in the video that was released by the FBI
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Speaker 1: under Cash Hotel and Dan Bongino, and nobody ever said
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Speaker 1: what happened in the minute. We're like, well, why is
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Speaker 1: there a minute missing? They're like, ah, this is the
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Speaker 1: whole tape, don't worry about it. So there is something
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Speaker 1: hinky going on there. But if you again, gun to
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Speaker 1: your head. The guy was a an influence peddler. He
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Speaker 1: was a blackmailer. He was a guy that had a
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Speaker 1: lot of goods on a lot of people. Maybe Masade,
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Speaker 1: maybe Cia, maybe neither. Who knows. Do you think we're
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Speaker 1: ever gonna find out? Is it is the truth going
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Speaker 1: to eventually come out?
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Speaker 2: I think there's a select few people out there who
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Speaker 2: probably know that information. In terms of release. The rest
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Speaker 2: of the files. You know, I think that's kind of
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Speaker 2: spitting in the wind. I think all those are all
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Speaker 2: the hard drives, I would imagine, are you know, scraped.
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Speaker 2: So I don't actually believe we're gonna get any more
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Speaker 2: of that information. But there are people who are alive
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Speaker 2: who know who knew him, who were around him. You know,
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Speaker 2: we got Dallayne Maxwell in prison allegedly, who's still you
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Speaker 2: know she's around. She should be investigator. That's we released
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Speaker 2: the public. We should know what's going on there. We
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Speaker 2: have Steve Bannon, a guy who was with him the
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Speaker 2: last three years up until he died, interviewing him with
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Speaker 2: over sixteen to eighteen hours of interview footage with Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 2: making a documentary to rehab his image. I would love
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Speaker 2: to know what does he know. I think that guy
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Speaker 2: has a direct line. He had a direct line to him.
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Speaker 2: You know, he was planning from the files I read
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Speaker 2: that summer to go on a vacation, going to Zoro Ranch,
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Speaker 2: going to the Paris Townhouse, going to New York City townhouse,
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Speaker 2: all over that summer twenty nineteen with Epstein. And then
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Speaker 2: of course he gets arrested at Teterborough Airport in New
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Speaker 2: Jersey and that's the last of it. So that's someone
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Speaker 2: that I would love to see actually confront the two
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Speaker 2: hour interview footage that came out. Because since that two
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Speaker 2: hour interview interview footage came out on January thirty first,
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Speaker 2: so I'm not mistaken of this year, we haven't heard
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Speaker 2: a peep about that from the guy who actually conducted
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Speaker 2: that interview with Epstein. So, you know, I think that's
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Speaker 2: a great place to start with someone who was very
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Speaker 2: close to him in his last days.
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Speaker 1: And if you say what really went on there, people say, hey,
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Speaker 1: don't worry about it, don't don't bring that up. Now,
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Speaker 1: But I think that you hit on something that's very,
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Speaker 1: very very smart. This stuff probably doesn't exist anymore. Whatever
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Speaker 1: was the really really bad stuff, somebody scraped it, somebody
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Speaker 1: know where Jesus was born. But why are we so
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Speaker 1: like in support of whatever it takes to make sure
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Speaker 1: Israel is good? And he said, it's the promised Land
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Speaker 1: for the people that were chosen for that land. Now,
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Speaker 1: you talk a lot about the Scofield Bible. I'm not
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Speaker 1: really familiar with the Schorefield Bible. Is that belief system
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Speaker 1: my grandfather had from that version of the Bible?
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Speaker 3: They have so explained how yes, So this is a
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Speaker 3: very complicated one.
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Speaker 2: Because there have been major conspiracy theories around the Schofield Bible.
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Speaker 2: And I actually spoke to an expert on this period
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Speaker 2: of history, Dan Hummel, probably the I would say, the
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Speaker 2: number one historian in terms of the history of a
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Speaker 2: dispensationalism Christian Zionism. He's been talking about this for two decades,
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Speaker 2: hasn't been on any podcast, Surprising Land. I brought him on,
17:58
Speaker 2: so he broke it down to me. In this the
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Speaker 2: Schofield Bible was written, it's a reference Bible. To be
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Speaker 2: clear here, it's not actual Bible. It's essentially the footnote
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Speaker 2: so ible Bible having around me.
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Speaker 3: It's the nid.
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Speaker 2: There's footnotes at the bottom. Those footnotes tell you some
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Speaker 2: of the verses. It might say like Jesus, brethren, all
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Speaker 2: this king old English that's hard to read. And then
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Speaker 2: the footnote might be this is what Jesus is saying.
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Speaker 2: Jesus says, love thy neighbor.
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Speaker 1: And you're like, oh right, thank you, got it.
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Speaker 2: So the Schofield Bible is actually not the beginning of
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Speaker 2: this movement of this support of Israel. It actually goes
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Speaker 2: back to John Darby in the eighteen sixties, who was
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Speaker 2: an Irish lawyer who was essentially fed up with the
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Speaker 2: Anglican Church, and he then creates this idea of this
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Speaker 2: idea of dispensationalism, and dispensational has two major facets. One
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Speaker 2: of them is the idea that there's two chosen people
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Speaker 2: and that God's promised to the people of Israel still stands.
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Speaker 2: So if you're you know, the Jewish Israel, there's a
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Speaker 2: promise there that still stands. And then there's seven eras
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Speaker 2: or epochs, whatever you want to call it of time,
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Speaker 2: and then that when Jesus came down and he died
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Speaker 2: for our sins, you know, those prophecies of the Old
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Speaker 2: Testament still need to happen.
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Speaker 3: And so you know what ends up happening.
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Speaker 2: There is this take swing all over the US and
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Speaker 2: the evangelical churches in the South specifically, and then you
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Speaker 2: see this growth of this idea. Now, a theologian expert
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Speaker 2: will tell you that, like, actually, if you look at
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Speaker 2: the translations, there's some mistranslations here. And I want to
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Speaker 2: be very sensitive about this because it's a topic that
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Speaker 2: I think is very charged and can be hard to
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Speaker 2: understand and requires also complete biblical breakdown and actual translations.
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Speaker 2: So when Cyrus Rofield as a lawyer or yes, he
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Speaker 2: was a politician lawyer in like the eighteen sixties eighteen seventies.
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Speaker 3: He has a very shady history.
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Speaker 2: He essentially got caught for tax fraud, was in jail
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Speaker 2: apparently in Canada. He abandoned his family, and then there
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Speaker 2: was this guy in his town and this guy essentially
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Speaker 2: brought him to Christ.
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Speaker 3: God bless him.
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Speaker 2: That's amazing, and converts, and you know, some things start
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Speaker 2: to happen that don't make sense. If you look at
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Speaker 2: the paper trailer, you start to realize that he never
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Speaker 2: returned to his family, so his a family was abandoned
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Speaker 2: within converting. Three years from that, he then actually becomes
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Speaker 2: a lead pastor out of Dallas Seminary Church over there,
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Speaker 2: and then D. L. Moody then, you know, if you
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Speaker 2: know the church space dal Moody Moody is massive, brings
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Speaker 2: him over to Massachusetts where he leads a congregation there
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Speaker 2: and a lot of people.
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Speaker 3: Then this is where the conspiratorial.
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Speaker 2: Mind goes, because it's like, all right, this guy was
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Speaker 2: call it a drunk tax of Asian criminal. All these
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Speaker 2: charges somehow disappear. He's now leading a church in Massachon
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Speaker 2: sits and the next thing you know, there is this
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Speaker 2: thing about him going into the Lotus Club in New
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Speaker 2: York where he meets this famous Zionist lawyer named Samuel Untemayer. Now,
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Speaker 2: I think this needs to be very clear on where
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Speaker 2: I believe on this, so people think this Samuel Untemayer
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Speaker 2: saw Schofield and realized this guy was thinking about creating
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Speaker 2: a reference Bible and was like, I'm going to fund
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Speaker 2: this guy so he can push Israeli ideas and that
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Speaker 2: we can return to the homeland.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's that at all.
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Speaker 2: I think that's where a lot of people think, like, look,
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Speaker 2: the Jews are behind everything, and.
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Speaker 3: You're throwing the baby out the bathwater. I think it's
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Speaker 3: one of those things where you look at it.
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Speaker 2: At the time, there was also this group called the
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Speaker 2: Plymouth Brethren Brothers and they had this dispensationless idea of
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Speaker 2: Israel about we were turning the Jewish people back to
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Speaker 2: their homeland, and it was a very common thing spoken
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Speaker 2: about during that time period about this returning of the.
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Speaker 3: Jewish people back to the homeland.
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Speaker 2: And he's then part of this elite club, and of
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Speaker 2: course there's some people that are Zionists, and then you
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Speaker 2: have Jewish and Christians and whatnot. And he then gets
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Speaker 2: some funding from these Plymouth Brethren and he goes to Europe,
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Speaker 2: does a whole like two three years in Europe going
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Speaker 2: to the churches. Apparently he's very ill. And then this
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Speaker 2: is where we get to our next conspiracy that needs
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Speaker 2: to be laid out, which I don't believe in again,
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Speaker 2: is the Oxford Oxford Press, which is the preeminent pressing
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Speaker 2: institution in the world, academic pressing institution, decides to print
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Speaker 2: the Schofield Reference Bible, and so everyone's red flags go up,
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Speaker 2: being like, how did this nobody, all of a sudden
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Speaker 2: now get a Bible reference Bible being printed all over
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Speaker 2: the world.
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Speaker 1: It had the Jews made it happen the Jews. Elady
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Speaker 1: probably back better scream of the Jews, like the Jews
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Speaker 1: control everything, which obviously didn't happen, So why did they
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Speaker 1: print it? Do we know?
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Speaker 3: So from what we gather and realize is that Plymouth
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Speaker 3: Brethren were funding and pushing for Schofield to press this.
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Speaker 3: But the thing is people need to also take some context.
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Speaker 2: Is this is a time where a lot of you know,
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Speaker 2: Americans were just not educated, and that the ability to
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Speaker 2: translate the Bible and have footnotes would help a lot
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Speaker 2: of people in their faith understand the teachings of Jesus.
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Speaker 2: And so they thought this is a great idea. And
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Speaker 2: at the same time people are like, what about the credentials.
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Speaker 2: It's not It wasn't like today where it's like you
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Speaker 2: need to go to Hear, Hear Hear, have this credentials
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Speaker 2: on your resume and you're set to go. It was
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Speaker 2: one of those things where it's like, well, this guy
23:33
Speaker 2: had D. L. Moody, he'd been all over. We like
23:36
Speaker 2: what he's writing.
23:37
Speaker 3: This is good.
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Speaker 2: And then they greenlit it, and then a lot of
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Speaker 2: people are like, oh my god, this is hilarious because
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Speaker 2: the roth Child's funded it. But it's like again, people
23:46
Speaker 2: take the baby and throatut with the bathwater. It's like, yes,
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Speaker 2: the roth Child's were a big funders of the Oxford
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Speaker 2: Academic Press.
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Speaker 3: Is it one of.
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Speaker 2: Those things where you know the Rothschild's being a very
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Speaker 2: Jewish family, wealthy banking family, did they see also possibly
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Speaker 2: an opportunity for them to print this reference Bible that
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Speaker 2: has a focus of the chosen people. Returning to the
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Speaker 2: homeland and that their prophecies are going to be instilled. Possibly,
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's as sinister as they're behind everything,
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Speaker 2: and he funded it. Again, I think people need to
24:17
Speaker 2: spend a little time reading into that history, because it's
24:20
Speaker 2: not as simple as maybe.
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Speaker 3: Some of these tiktoks people watch.
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Speaker 2: So you take it there, and then on top of it,
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Speaker 2: this Bible gets released in nineteen seven, nineteen oh nine
24:31
Speaker 2: somewhere around there, and it becomes sensational. It just takes over,
24:35
Speaker 2: just because again the education at the time people eager
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Speaker 2: and hungry to learn about the Word of God and
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Speaker 2: understand it. It just takes over the United States and
24:43
Speaker 2: then the evangelical churches. It spreads throughout there in the
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Speaker 2: South and the Bible Belt as we know today, and
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Speaker 2: that's essentially the birth of Christian Zionism.
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Speaker 1: In many regards, it is a LESSI Allaman. You know,
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Speaker 1: it begs a couple of questions. First of all, why
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Speaker 1: do so many people assume that anything the Rothschild's funded
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Speaker 1: is bad or nefarious. That's the first dumb thing. But
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Speaker 1: I think the most important question is is the translation
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Speaker 1: and the explanation and the dispensation that's given by the
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Speaker 1: Schofield Bible. Is it truthful or did they spin it?
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Speaker 1: If it's objectively true, then the whole argument goes out
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Speaker 1: the window, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And again I would recommend having an expert go
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Speaker 2: through the actual explaining why it isn't. But from what
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Speaker 2: I gathered from the experts I spoke to, you know, essentially,
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Speaker 2: if you look at what the translation is, what it's
25:34
Speaker 2: saying is that the Jewish people, the Chosen people, they're
25:37
Speaker 2: saying in this Bible, don't have to believe in Jesus Christ,
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Speaker 2: their Lord and savior, and they have a right to homeland.
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Speaker 2: It kind of contradicts the New Testament of what Jesus says,
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Speaker 2: especially in Matthew twenty four to thirty six, where it says,
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Speaker 2: you know, you have to believe in me solely, you know,
25:52
Speaker 2: like you believe in Jesus Christ, your Lord and Savior.
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Speaker 2: You know you're going to go to heaven John three sixteen.
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Speaker 2: For God's who love the world, that he gave his
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Speaker 2: only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish,
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Speaker 2: but have eternal life. So you look at a few
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Speaker 2: verses in the New Testament versus what this dispensationless idea
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Speaker 2: is talking about there's contradictions. There, very clear contradictions, and
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Speaker 2: the biggest ones, which you know, it's a whole. Other
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Speaker 2: tangent is that a lot of it became very sensationalized
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Speaker 2: in media through book series and movies like The Left Behind,
26:26
Speaker 2: as well as Oh my God, how Lindsay's book. I
26:30
Speaker 2: can't remember what the book was called.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Greater as smart as Juice, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But well, let me say this because I think this
26:36
Speaker 1: is an interesting thing to add. Maybe because I'm saying it,
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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. Maybe it's not. But again, I
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Speaker 1: believe in the Promised Land and the people chosen for
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Speaker 1: that land. But I also believe that you have to
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Speaker 1: accept Jesus as your Lord and savior to make your
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Speaker 1: way to heaven. So if people who are watching listening
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Speaker 1: are Jewish, I love them. They're my brothers, they're my sisters.
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Speaker 1: Judeo Christian values rock the world. I love it. But
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Speaker 1: having said that, I truly believe that they're going to
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Speaker 1: realie that Jesus was the Lord and Savior on their
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Speaker 1: on their path to heaven as they leave this earth.
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Speaker 1: So it's not it's not contradictory to me. Maybe I
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Speaker 1: didn't read this Caroll filled Bible, you know well enough,
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Speaker 1: but I do believe that's the promised land of the
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Speaker 1: showsen people. But I also believe you've got to accept
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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ as the son of or part of the
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Speaker 1: cry you in God to make your way to heaven.
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Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I hear what you're saying, and I think this
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Speaker 2: is where, you know, again, it gets complicated because when
27:25
Speaker 2: it comes down to it is do you believe Jesus Christ,
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Speaker 2: your Lord and Savior?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: That's that's that's the that's the question to be asked.
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Speaker 2: And in the Bible is very clear that you can
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Speaker 2: only believe in one God, and that one God is
27:38
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. And so again, I love my Jewish brothers,
27:42
Speaker 2: I love my Muslim brothers.
27:43
Speaker 3: I love atheists from California. I know those people.
27:46
Speaker 2: But when it really comes down to it, and I
27:48
Speaker 2: know this is not a on topic for some people
27:50
Speaker 2: to hear, it's like, if you're going to get to
27:53
Speaker 2: the new Heaven, new heaven on earth, and you're going
27:55
Speaker 2: to spend the eternity with Jesus Christ, that's the requirement.
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Speaker 3: There's race and mercy is going to have for you.
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Speaker 3: But that is the number one requirement.
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Speaker 2: So if you don't believe that the rest of it,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter.
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Speaker 1: Very interesting, it's Alessi Alaman. Go and follow him over
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Speaker 1: on YouTube. It's at A L E S S I
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Speaker 1: A L L A M A N. It's a great
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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. He's a great storyteller, great creator. Let me
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Speaker 1: finish with this, is US policy our foreign policy? Is
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Speaker 1: it a reflection of the Bible biblical teachings or is
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Speaker 1: it a reflection of modern geopolitics, because I think we
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Speaker 1: try to pretend that it's both, but I don't think
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Speaker 1: it can be both.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it can be both.
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Speaker 2: I think recently, when you have like an article come
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Speaker 2: out of you know, military personnel coming forward that there's
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Speaker 2: some generals and people saying that you know, Pete Hegseth
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Speaker 2: and some people are encouraging that an Armageddon end Times
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Speaker 2: battle is coming ahead, you start to wonder if how
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Speaker 2: much of the Bible and how much of you know,
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Speaker 2: religious texts eschatology is influencing this current cabinet. You know,
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Speaker 2: that was strange to hear when there was over two
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Speaker 2: hundred reports of people coming up in the military saying,
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm having my whatever, lieutenant, my guy above
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Speaker 2: me saying that, you know, get ready for this end
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Speaker 2: times war right now in the Middle East. Again, no
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Speaker 2: one knows the day, the hour, the time, and when
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Speaker 2: Jesus comes back. So that's also bad theology. So I
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Speaker 2: don't know who is doing that. And the other thing
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Speaker 2: too is I think of the poor atheist and the
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Speaker 2: people that don't know Christ, and you're pushing them away
29:28
Speaker 2: when you're telling them these things because they're like this
29:30
Speaker 2: sounds like a bunch of balogney, and it's like I
29:33
Speaker 2: can empathize with them because it's like, yeah, you think
29:36
Speaker 2: this is your first experience with Christianity, this is your
29:38
Speaker 2: first experience maybe hearing about something in relation to the Bible,
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Speaker 2: and it has to do with your job being the military,
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Speaker 2: and they're saying you have to abide by it.
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Speaker 3: It's like, what are we doing here? That's not our country?
29:49
Speaker 1: Like, right, come on now, I hadn't even heard about
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Speaker 1: that before. So you're literally hearing from people that are
29:53
Speaker 1: enlisted that are saying that that's happening.
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Speaker 2: Yes, there was a major report and it was like
29:58
Speaker 2: two hundred anonymous people came forward and they were essentially saying,
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Speaker 2: our generals are telling us to get ready for this
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Speaker 2: end time's battle, which is again not biblically accurate.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know what's pushing that, you know, I think.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to say, because you know, who am I
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Speaker 2: to judge someone's relationship with Jesus.
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Speaker 3: I'm not someone to judge that.
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Speaker 2: And I know that there are people within Trump's circle
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Speaker 2: that are Christians and do believe Jesus Christ or Lord
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Speaker 2: and Savior. Yeah, but then again, it's like you also
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Speaker 2: want to call out incorrect theology or incorrect speaking of
30:31
Speaker 2: his teachings, and Jesus even says those who teach will
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Speaker 2: be judged more harshly than those who are just abiding,
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Speaker 2: so you know, for their own sake, I want to
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Speaker 2: look out for them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, take a breath and maybe stop what you're doing,
30:45
Speaker 1: because you're getting judged pretty harshly. It is Alessi oloman
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Speaker 1: A Lessi before I let you go, tell those watching
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Speaker 1: your YouTube channel at Alessi oloman Well, Joe.
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Speaker 3: Thank you again for having me. I want to say
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Speaker 3: first off, thank you for that.
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Speaker 2: watch our content, but also we're calling balls and strikes.
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Speaker 2: And when I'm gonna speculate, I'm going to tell you
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Speaker 2: so you don't think I'm trying to make you think
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Speaker 2: one way or another. You know, I'm just here to
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Speaker 2: share what happened. And then when I speculate, it's pure.
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Speaker 1: Spec I've got to see that one man, because we
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Speaker 1: still have no clue. I have no clue what really
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Speaker 1: went down in Maui. There's a lot there are a
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Speaker 1: lot of questions there that I need answered. So is
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Speaker 1: where it's going to be up soon?
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's up right now, So I go check that
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Speaker 3: out out again.
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Speaker 2: Kay did all the heavy lifting on that, and then
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Speaker 2: I went through it, and she did a tremendous job.
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Speaker 3: And then you know, all I did was bring it
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