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Breaking News: Bachelorette In Hot Water MORE Bad News · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, I just want to give you a quick
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  Speaker 1: disclaimer before we get into this episode. The topic of
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  Speaker 1: domestic abuse will be spoken about a lot, so I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to give you that warning.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 2: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 1: Oh hi, friends, we have a breaking news episode on
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  Speaker 1: the Taylor Frankie Paul News. It's not good news right now.
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  Speaker 1: So we talked in our last episode with Trista and
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  Speaker 1: Deanna right after before the final Rows the special aired
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday night, that there was news breaking about a
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  Speaker 1: domestic violent situation in Vowing Taylor and her ex bab Well,
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  Speaker 1: her baby daddy, her ex Dakota. The Mormon Wives filming
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  Speaker 1: has been paused and since then we have received a
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  Speaker 1: lot of information. A lot of this is coming from TMZ.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a big situation and it's a very upset,
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  Speaker 1: disappointing situation. It's involving domestic violence. As we know, Taylor
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  Speaker 1: does have a past in this. She was arrested for
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  Speaker 1: domestic violence against Dakota a couple of years ago. She's
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  Speaker 1: talked about it. It's been a topic on Secret Lives,
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  Speaker 1: and now it seems like it is it has happened
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  Speaker 1: again about three weeks ago, and we don't know the truth.
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  Speaker 1: So here we are just kind of regurgitating what we're
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  Speaker 1: hearing from different outlets. But we are here to do that,
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  Speaker 1: So don't hold anything that we are saying as truth.
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  Speaker 1: We are honestly speaking in rumor right now.
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  Speaker 3: We should also probably know, Ashley, that this is an
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  Speaker 3: ongoing story, So information is constantly coming in and we're
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  Speaker 3: getting a little bit more here, a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: there as the days and hours go by.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so Heather's here with me now, and Ben is
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  Speaker 1: going to do another episode later today. Because so much
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  Speaker 1: is breaking, we want to just kind of keep you updated.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a really big week. The girl
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  Speaker 1: just went to the Oscars. Then she had a special air,
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  Speaker 1: which we haven't had a bachelorette special like that. After
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  Speaker 1: the Oscars, like basically ever, she's supposed to be bringing
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  Speaker 1: back the franchise. She was a very She was a
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  Speaker 1: divisive choice at the beginning. A lot of people were like,
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  Speaker 1: they would never have put a man with a domestic
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  Speaker 1: violence background as the lead of the show. It seems hypnocritical.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a questionable choice to have anybody with that
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  Speaker 1: kind of background as the lead of a romantic show,
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  Speaker 1: and now we're seeing that something happened again. Something has
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  Speaker 1: happened again, and it's the week of her premiere. It's crazy, Heather.
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  Speaker 1: Before we go into the actual story, like the speculative story,
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  Speaker 1: what are you do? You have anything to say?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I just want you to I want to get
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  Speaker 3: your thoughts on the fact that this all. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: this happened on February twenty third, that is what's being
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  Speaker 3: reported as to when the cops were called and there
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  Speaker 3: was interaction with the cops. We are now at March
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  Speaker 3: seventeenth as we're recording this, and it came out on
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  Speaker 3: Sunday night, So it came out after Taylor walked the
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  Speaker 3: carpet at the Oscars, and it came out after her
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  Speaker 3: special aired. I want to know your opinion on that
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  Speaker 3: when you hear that, Well.
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  Speaker 1: See, I feel like you're more of an expert in this.
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  Speaker 1: You're kind of like the behind the scenes girl. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you're in casting, your production, and I'm just like, you
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  Speaker 1: feel like there's some something there, like somebody had like
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  Speaker 1: TMZ even may have had this report, but they held
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  Speaker 1: it back out of like negotiation and friendliness with networks.
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  Speaker 1: That is because if you were on the Secret Lives
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  Speaker 1: in Bachelorette like quote quote dark Web, you could have
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  Speaker 1: seen that there was speculations that there was going to
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  Speaker 1: be another domestic violent violence report about Taylor coming out
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  Speaker 1: within the next few weeks. I think what's crazy is
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  Speaker 1: that this secret has been kept for at least three
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  Speaker 1: weeks because they were filming Secret Lives, So that means
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  Speaker 1: that there was so many people involved in that production
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  Speaker 1: on screen and off, and then there was just like
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  Speaker 1: the fact that these people are they're so well known
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  Speaker 1: in their communities and in America. The fact that people
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  Speaker 1: who heard and saw about this, nobody has been like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: red flag, hi, hi, Hi, this is much to be
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  Speaker 1: your Bachelorette lead. That's crazy that it hasn't leaked in
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  Speaker 1: three weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we did obviously when we put together Frankie Friday's
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  Speaker 3: every week. We do see a lot of stuff, right,
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  Speaker 3: and the stuff that is rumored or commented sometimes we
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  Speaker 3: talk about it, but if there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 3: stuff to back it up, you know, a comment here
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  Speaker 3: or there is just sometimes somebody's opinion. But I would
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  Speaker 3: be lying if I said that I hadn't seen a
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  Speaker 3: couple of comments circulating from people in Dakota's camp specifically
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  Speaker 3: talking or hinting at this that this was coming. I
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  Speaker 3: believe we saw a comment from Dakota's girlfriend or latest girlfriend,
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  Speaker 3: making some kind of shady comment. I think we recorded
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  Speaker 3: on that the day that the Bachelorette trailer came out.
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  Speaker 3: I believe she made some sort of comment underneath that
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  Speaker 3: that was like alleging something. I can't sorry, I can't
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  Speaker 3: recall exactly what, but I remember it was something about
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  Speaker 3: when you find out like that the Bachelorette is actually
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  Speaker 3: the one there for the wrong reasons, I believe was
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  Speaker 3: something along the lines. And then we had another comment
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  Speaker 3: circulating from somebody that knows Dakota hinting at another domestic
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  Speaker 3: violence I believe they specifically said another domestic violence account
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  Speaker 3: was going to be coming out very soon. So it
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  Speaker 3: was circulating on the internet. It didn't get the full
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  Speaker 3: press coverage until Sunday, and I do believe that that
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  Speaker 3: is a very calculated move.
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  Speaker 4: I can't tell you why they did.
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  Speaker 1: That from the PR gods.
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  Speaker 3: From the PR team, and I say my best guess
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  Speaker 3: is that they were thinking it would get buried by
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  Speaker 3: OSCAR coverage. To have released it so late at night,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but all I do know is that
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  Speaker 3: they have to get in front of this, and they
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  Speaker 3: have to do it soon, because as much time as
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  Speaker 3: goes by, the more we're seeing all of this, he said.
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  Speaker 3: She said, different sides coming out, and it's not looking
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  Speaker 3: good for her, and it's not looking good for the show.
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  Speaker 4: And I can.
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  Speaker 3: Say with insider knowledge what we have heard is that
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  Speaker 3: the show is not going away. Bachelorette is not getting canceled,
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  Speaker 3: and as of right now, on March seventeenth, when we
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  Speaker 3: are recording this, it is still set to premiere.
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  Speaker 1: I remember when Bachelor and Paradise season four, yeah, four
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  Speaker 1: oh yes got shut down because of the sexual assault allegations.
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  Speaker 1: That news spread rapidly huge, and that was a set
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  Speaker 1: shut down, right, yes, How has the secret lives in?
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  Speaker 1: Like the Continental US has been shut down for three
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  Speaker 1: weeks and nobody's talked about it, And apparently, guys, this
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  Speaker 1: is production wants to go forward. I guess that's probably
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  Speaker 1: the difference. Production wants to go forward. The cast is
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  Speaker 1: the one that is saying we will not go forward
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  Speaker 1: until this is addressed.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I can't speak to what their filming schedule is, Like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if maybe they had planned downtime already
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  Speaker 3: around this because of her going and doing press for
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  Speaker 3: this season and whatnot, Like maybe they had a weird
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  Speaker 3: schedule going on. So I don't know exactly if they've
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  Speaker 3: been down for three weeks, but we do have confirmation
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  Speaker 3: that they are currently down right now. Cameras are down,
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  Speaker 3: and you and I both know when cameras go down,
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  Speaker 3: that's a very expensive choice for a show and for
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  Speaker 3: a network to make. They really try to not go
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  Speaker 3: down for a specific reason, and that's because the employees
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  Speaker 3: that make these shows work freelance and work different shows,
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  Speaker 3: so when they're not working, they're not getting paid. We're
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  Speaker 3: talking about the camera guys, hair and makeup, all of
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  Speaker 3: those kinds of people. So the longer you go down,
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  Speaker 3: the more you risk having your crew have to go
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  Speaker 3: find jobs elsewhere. They don't just love to sit around
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  Speaker 3: and wait to not get paid and not work. So
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  Speaker 3: it's a very expensive decision every single day that they
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  Speaker 3: are down to not be filming, and it also allows
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  Speaker 3: the new cycle to keep going and they're not actually
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  Speaker 3: catching things in real time, which is very difficult for
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  Speaker 3: a show like this that relies on reality.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. They hate that, Yes, they hate that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so let's get into the actual story. Sources close to them.
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  Speaker 1: Two sources close to the Secret Laves of Mormon Wives
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  Speaker 1: production tells TMZ that Dakota and Taylor were spending time
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  Speaker 1: together at his place when they started fighting about Dakota's
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  Speaker 1: romantic past, namely his hookup with a cast member Shaniah Powell.
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  Speaker 1: Where I am in season two, which I'm cruising through it,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just really try. I swear to you like I'm
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  Speaker 1: in now, I'm in. I don't know her. Is she
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  Speaker 1: a prominent figure?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 3: She does literally not show up until season four this
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  Speaker 3: season okay.
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  Speaker 1: So basically she's not a cast member as we would know.
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  Speaker 3: No, I will say, Bachelor fans, if you are not
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  Speaker 3: up to date with season four, we do see a
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  Speaker 3: lot of Letia gar and she is hanged shanayah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay cool. Yeah, And Bachelor fans, if you aren't Secret
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  Speaker 1: Lives fans, it's interesting to watch the last few episodes
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  Speaker 1: and we see Taylor say her goodbye because it's a
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  Speaker 1: really it's very much a rollover moment. You really should
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  Speaker 1: watch it. I mean, if you can get past the
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  Speaker 1: story we're about to get into. So we have been
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  Speaker 1: told that it got physical. This is TMZ as Taylor
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  Speaker 1: allegedly choked Dakota and ripped his necklace off, grabbing his
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  Speaker 1: throat and face, and this happened with their son Ever
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  Speaker 1: in the room. One source says that Dakota even called
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  Speaker 1: police that night, but Taylor somehow convinced him to change
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  Speaker 1: his story and tell the cops that everything was good.
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  Speaker 1: She apologized and even returned to Dakota's home the following night.
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  Speaker 1: That meeting also went south. Taylor allegedly scratched his neck
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  Speaker 1: during a second night of fighting and checked his phone
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  Speaker 1: against the wall. Isn't that what happened in the first
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  Speaker 1: domestic abuse? I remember something along the lines, but don't
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  Speaker 1: quote me on that. I'm so sorry. We're told that
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  Speaker 1: DMZ is told that a friend of Dakota's saw his
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  Speaker 1: neck the next day, and that the friend then called
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  Speaker 1: the police. Responding officers interviewed him and were told that
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  Speaker 1: they saw proof of injuries. So TMZ broke this story
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  Speaker 1: and Taylor. Frankie Paul has a much different version of events,
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  Speaker 1: as sources with direct knowledge to her say that Dakota
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  Speaker 1: was the primary aggressor during a recent car ride with Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: but the other production sources have negated the allegation, saying
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  Speaker 1: that she was physically abusive to him and their son.
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  Speaker 1: Production is again paused due to the former couple's volatile relationship,
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  Speaker 1: and we're TMZ is told that we've been ordered to
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  Speaker 1: get they've been both ordered to get psych evaluations. Sources
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  Speaker 1: close to Dakota say that no such test has been
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  Speaker 1: ordered on him. And then it's despite the producers wanting
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  Speaker 1: to keep the cameras rolling because of the nature of
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  Speaker 1: the allegations, Taylor's Bachelorette season debuting next week, which has
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  Speaker 1: been completely shot, the co stars are refusing to continue filming.
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  Speaker 1: As we mentioned earlier, all right, I mean, that's just awful, awful, awful, awful,
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  Speaker 1: awful stuff, and especially with the fact that ever has
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  Speaker 1: been allegedly in the room. You made a comment earlier
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  Speaker 1: about the fact that you have heard and rumblings on
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  Speaker 1: the internet and such that there's been calls to child
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  Speaker 1: protective services.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we've been seeing reports things floating around on the
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  Speaker 3: internet that allegedly Dakota has been calling CPS on Taylor. Again,
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  Speaker 3: we don't have solid concrete proof on this, but that
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  Speaker 3: is what has been alleged. It says, well, here we'll
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  Speaker 3: go into this one. Mormon Wives Taylor Frankie Paul is
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  Speaker 3: sharing child custody with Dakota.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, so that does roll over into this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there has been alleged evidence of her erotic behavior. But
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  Speaker 1: reality Steve has posted a photo of what claims the
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  Speaker 1: which somebody is claiming that this photo is of Dakota's phone,
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  Speaker 1: and we can also say that these photos situation like
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  Speaker 1: this could be easily doctored. But it's supposedly his roommate
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  Speaker 1: that sent the picture to him, and the photo shows
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  Speaker 1: that Taylor in January called Dakota one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: times in ninety minutes. The photo apparently has been verified
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  Speaker 1: and shows that even after she has completed filming, she
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  Speaker 1: still couldn't get over Dakota and maybe will never be. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's obviously some sort of continued relationship with Dakota. I
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  Speaker 1: mean they're spending supposed elliged nights over at each other's
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  Speaker 1: house and having these kinds of fights. Can't imagine that
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  Speaker 1: she's in any sort of relationship more healthy one with anyone.
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  Speaker 3: Well, maybe we should address then, the fact that as
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  Speaker 3: all this was breaking yesterday, Taylor opted to post a
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  Speaker 3: video on her TikTok of her and the text I'll
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  Speaker 3: read it says, I can't hear you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Busy and yeah, so it's the Gaga sage, the gagassa.
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  Speaker 3: And then a man's arm comes into the shot and
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  Speaker 3: kind of like pushes.
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  Speaker 4: Her out of the way.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting choice to put on this day, making it very
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  Speaker 3: light and fluffy. A lot of people in the comments
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  Speaker 3: are speculating we're going to do a spoiler right here.
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  Speaker 3: If you're still interested in watching the season and don't
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: want to be spoiled, don't listen to this. People are
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  Speaker 3: speculating it's Doug from her season that you know, and
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  Speaker 3: we don't know right, it's just an arm. I saw
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  Speaker 3: another comment thinking it was maybe Harry Jowsey, who makes
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  Speaker 3: an appearance on season four. What did you think of
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  Speaker 3: that TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, first, I think it could be any man's arm.
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  Speaker 1: She's trying to make a statement that she's with someone
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  Speaker 1: and not with Dakota. She's trying to say, I'm too
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  Speaker 1: busy Dakota to be answering your phone. Yeah. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know whether or not this was a ploy to distract.
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  Speaker 1: If this was her trying to be like, oh, like
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  Speaker 1: all this hearsay that you're hearing like not paying attention
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  Speaker 1: to it, or if this was some sort of idea
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  Speaker 1: on Bachelorette end to kind of like, I do not
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  Speaker 1: think it was on the Bachelorette. You don't think that
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelor had anything that they didn't. You don't think
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  Speaker 1: that they said like, hey, Taylor, why don't you post
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  Speaker 1: something that shows that you're in a relationship and you like,
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  Speaker 1: don't give a crap about what's going on with this
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  Speaker 1: Dakota world. No.
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  Speaker 3: I think that anything that hints and spoils the end
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  Speaker 3: they get upset at. I mean, let's not forget Caitlin
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  Speaker 3: Bristow spoiling her own season. I think that that was
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  Speaker 3: her doing something being sassy and being fun. But I
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  Speaker 3: do not think that that was an advisory from the
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  Speaker 3: show to post that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so do you think that that is her trying
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  Speaker 1: to say I do end up with someone and I
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  Speaker 1: don't care about Dakota possibly and I also think that
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  Speaker 1: possibly she's responding to Reality Steve, who's you know, literally
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  Speaker 1: making fun of her, calling him one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: some odd times, and it's like she's like, oh, actually,
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  Speaker 1: I'm definitely too busy to be calling him that many times.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that sounds very Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like a response to Reality Steve and
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  Speaker 1: not to any allegation.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I also want to say that in these reports from TMZ,
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  Speaker 3: it does say that Taylor and Dakota have actually not
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  Speaker 3: spoken to one another in three weeks since this situation
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  Speaker 3: went down.
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  Speaker 1: So that's probably the timeline in which if he's allegedly
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  Speaker 1: calling child Protective Services, he would probably have been doing
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  Speaker 1: it in the past three weeks, because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he's going to do it if he's continuing to hang
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: out with the mom.
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  Speaker 3: Also, I think it's important to note, right like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not a lawyer, I'm not a police officer, neither is Ashley.
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  Speaker 3: But when somebody has a prior on their record, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that those people, whether they're on TV or not,
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  Speaker 3: just get like kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of a pass.
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  Speaker 3: So I do want to just note that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Taylor does have a record, and I think that that
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff gets taken seriously. So again, we don't
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  Speaker 3: know the validity of if Child Prospective Services has been called,
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  Speaker 3: how many times they've been called, if they've investigated her
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  Speaker 3: at all, We don't know that. But I would hope
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  Speaker 3: that somebody with a prior on their record would not
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  Speaker 3: just be getting overlooked because they're on TV. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that that's how law enforcement and CPS works.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the true. So let's also talk about one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorites, my favorite Bachelor lam Sidney Warner. She
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  Speaker 1: was on Peter's season, and she just posted her thoughts
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  Speaker 1: about like one of the last episodes of season four
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  Speaker 1: of Secret Lives in which you see Taylor heading to
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the airport to go film Bachelorette the night after she
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  Speaker 1: sleeps with Dakota, and she's like, this is not who
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  Speaker 1: I want as a bachelor, Basically this woman who obviously
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: is not over her ex. So this is what Sidney wrote.
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  Speaker 1: She goes, this is so upsetting I am a result
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  Speaker 1: of being on The Bachelor, I owe a lot to
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: that franchise, and The Bachelor is one of the most
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: iconic shows of all time and was so highly respected
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: because they held contestants is such a standard. It was
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  Speaker 1: such an honor to be cast, let alone be cast
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  Speaker 1: as the lead. That's life changing. To watch this episode,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: which you can see and which you know. Heather and
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  Speaker 1: I were saying that it's probably worth watching if you're
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: gonna watch the season. So to watch this and to
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  Speaker 1: see this soon to be lead completely disrespect that stage
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  Speaker 1: that she's been given. The men who put their entire
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: lives on hold to come and meet her is horrible.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: What has happened to morals and values?
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  Speaker 3: She goes on to call the series a dying franchise. Yeah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and why not let the show die out with class
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: and dignity and not stoop down and claw and scrape
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: just to get views. She added, I feel so bad
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: for those guys. Seriously, this is hard to watch someone
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: completely not care about something so prestigious that so many
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: girls would do anything to be given.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: What is going on?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: That's such a good point. That's actually such a good point.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: She was stunt casted to get views and it I
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: think is was gonna work, and they took a huge
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: risk choosing somebody that had a past, and I just
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: can't believe. I can't believe she'd let it happen again.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: You know, that's like a whole other thing. Yeah, there's
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other girls that were more deserving
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and more ready for this role. But for her to
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: like be in the position that she's in about for
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: her show to premiere and she behaves like this, like
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: this girl is like completely reckless. I what do you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: think about that? Like? How do you not?
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I think that the writing was on the wall with
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: this one.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I just think that, you know, as people would say,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: a leopard doesn't change its spots. I think that Taylor
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: has always shown this kind of behavior, and it's actually
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: less surprising to me, And I'm more shocked that they
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: opted not to air her season right away. I felt
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: like when we heard that filming was happening and wrapping
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: at the very end of twenty twenty five and wasn't
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: airing until March, I think a lot of us thought, well, WHOA,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: what relationship is going to be together at that point
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: from this show? You know, especially when we know that
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: they are not allowed to see each other or canudle
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: in public, Like that's difficult for any relationship, But imagine
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: being on a TV show and having to hold all that.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: So I think that the huge mistake was not airing
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: the season right away.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: That was the only chance to have a clean ending,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: is what you're saying, one hundred percent.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: And it also the idle hands and just like I
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: just don't think that Taylor Frankie Paul was ever going
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: to be put in the box that the Bachelorette is
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: put in, right, It's.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Just not who she is.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: And again, when you take somebody who's not in the franchise,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I'm going to refer to mel Owens for this same reason.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: You take somebody that's not from the franchise and they
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: are not familiar with the world and they are going
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: to do things in their own way. I think that
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: mel Owens went into that podcast and didn't loop into
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: the PR from the show, which is what he's supposed
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: to do and follow the rules, and that's what ended
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: up happening. I think that the PR team thought that
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: that interview wasn't going to have legs and it was
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: going to go bye bye, and it did not. It
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: grew and grew and grew. I think we're experiencing a
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: similar situation on this side, but obviously much more grand
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: because it involves domestic violence and allegedly a child being present.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: So I think that you can't predict what's going to happen.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Nobody's got a crystal ball, but I think that with
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: somebody like her, they should have been ready for nine
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: different kinds of curveballs. And I've worked on television shows
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: where I've had to deal with talent in personal relationships
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: that are volatile, and I've had to do daily check ins.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I've had to call numerous times. I've had to help
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: separate people and talk to them and bring them down
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: from getting aggressive. I have been in these kinds of
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: situations on television shows with people, and it is very
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: tricky to handle because at the end of the day,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: we all want to make a television show, but also
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: we are human beings and we don't want to put
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: people at risk and do things that can go south
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: when you're not around, which kind of does freak me
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: out that, like, it's getting allegedly violent between these two
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: when there's not cameras around. This is a bad sign.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And I think as produced and as a network, you
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: do have to start to make some moral decisions. Do
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: you care more about making money or do you care
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: that this has signs that this relationship could go maybe
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: one step too far and somebody could get really, really hurt,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: and then you're going to have that on your conscience.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: So what I think should happen and don't know what's
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: going to happen, or I tell me what I think
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: should happen, is I think that Taylor Frankie Paul needs
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: to get in front of this and do a sit
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: down interview asap, and she needs to talk about the situation,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: and she needs to be open and honest.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: She needs to address what.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: She had in the realm of this conversation and why
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: it went a specific way, and she needs to take accountability.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: She then needs to check into some sort of rehab facility,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: she needs to go to an anger management course, and
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: she actually needs to step away from cameras. This is
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: going to then allow the Secret Lives and Mormon Wives
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: to continue filming. They are going to then be able
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: to talk about what's happening, but she's not going to
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: be present for it. Dakota needs to be removed from
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: the show because he is only connected to Taylor, and
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: if Taylor is not filming, he has no need to
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: be there. So he will then be removed. And then
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I think if Taylor comes back out of a rehab
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: facility and feels like she's actually made strides and changes,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: then the women are it's up to them to welcome
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: her back into the cast. If they choose not to,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: then she needs to go and do her own thing
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: for a little bit. But that's how I kind of
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: see it playing out. I will say, we do have
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: insider knowledge that Taylor has hired a crisis PR person,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: which I feel like is a little too late. But again,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I think that she will be addressing this and making
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: some sort of comment or doing some sort of interview
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: prior to her season airing on Sunday, and.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I think that'll probably be with Alex Cooper.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: You think Alex Cooper, I think somebody a little bit more.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Prestigious, somebody like on like ABC.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: News, GMA or something, And I think a female reporter,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: And I think a sit down interview, because Alex Cooper.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Is not She's too silicious herself.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Not only that she's just this is over her head,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: she is also she is just not cut out interview
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: style wise to ask the kind of in depth questions
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: that needs to be done with sensitivity involving alleged domestic violence.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: So this has to be done with a serious journalist
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: in my opinion.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, well I would think so too. I was just like,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: oh my god, or they should have tried to promote
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: another show while they're at it. No, no, okay, what
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: do you think that they do with this season? Like
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you think that like she as the interview before this
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: season and that is just going to it's going to
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: be like going to just go on awkwardly, which I agree,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: that's probably what's going to. I don't think they're going
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to pull it. Didn't we get a report that they're
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: not going to pull it.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: As of now, we have heard from sources that it
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: is not getting pulled. It is airing again. It's Tuesday.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: When we're saying this, I will say that, right, we
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: don't have the mentell all taped, and we don't have
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: the finale tape, so that is their opportunity then to
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: you know, get all of the reaction and everything and
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: what's going on. I also want to point out that
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think that the reunion for season four of
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Secret Lives and Mormon Wives has been filmed to my knowledge,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: So that's another opportunity to kind of clear the air
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: have that conversation now again, if I were Taylor's crisis
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: PR person, I'd be making this interview prior to Sunday,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: and then I'd literally be stepping away. I would step
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: away imediately to go to some sort of rehab facility
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: for anger management and you know, and working on that,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: meaning no tweeting, no tiktoking, no any promotion of the
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: season as it starts to air, and if she's let's say,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: gone away for thirty days, then she's back out before
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: the finale heirs or is taped.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Well, Heather, I'm just so glad to have you on
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: this podcast because you are so knowledgeable about these behind
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the scenes things. I love hearing the feedback. It's so great. Yeah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have no I would have no idea how
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to handle this. I do feel like you've got a
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: great PR brain.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Well, I will say that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: We're all rooting for people like Taylor and Dakota to
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: get the help that they need. At the end of
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: the day, we're all consumers of television and we love
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: to watch TV, but we are human beings and I
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: think that we've been watching a slow moving car crash
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: for a little bit, and now we're just a little
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: too close to the action, and they need to step
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: in and they need to make some human decisions. And
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: the human decision is that these two people need help
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: and they need to be separated. And at the end
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: of the day, they're parents, and the children come first
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: and need to be in a safe environment. And I
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: think that this starts to really reflect poorly on production
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: and the network if they continue to put these Ballattle
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: people together for the sake of filming a television show.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I think that they are I think that
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: they're going to see each other either way. I feel
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: like you think that too. I don't think they're being
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: put together because of reality show. I think that these
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: two have this crazy toxic relationship and because they share
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a sun, they can't ever really not be in each
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: other's lives to certainly, of.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Course, but I think that it doesn't happen.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: What we've seen, right with Taylor not involving her ex
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: husband in filming or her children from that previous relationship,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: leads me to believe that she is capable of having
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: a healthy co parenting relationship. We have never heard her
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: ex husband say anything about her, and he was involved
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: in a frickin' swinging scandal with her. Okay, so we
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: have not heard him come out against her or them
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: seem to have something. Could they have something behind the scenes?
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Obviously we don't know. He's not involved in the show,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: but it leads me to believe that she's capable of that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just don't think she's capable of that
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: with the code.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I think she could be if she wasn't constantly having
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: to be and do things on camera. That's the other
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: thing is like she's constantly having to be forced to
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: be around him, whereas I think like if they were
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: seeing each other and doing kid drop off or doing
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: things like that, I think she would be integrated less
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: into his life because also her cast members keep finding
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: out stuff about him and then telling her and that
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: if he wasn't involved in her circle, that would happen less.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: And obviously, if anybody hasn't caught up season four, the
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: big drama is this thing happening with Shanayah, who happens
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: to be a friend of Taylor's that he starts hooking
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: up with and she loses it. She gets very upset
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: and Taylor's first reaction, unfortunately, was a thing I think
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: she needs help with, is she immediately goes to degrading
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: the woman in the situation, not degrading Dakota. It's really
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: really sad to watch. And we've also seen her this
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: season be really open about her birth father, who she
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: didn't have a relationship with, who has now passed on.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: But he was an addict, he was.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Abusive, and it's really unfortunate that we're seeing this kind
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: of cycle repeat itself that her mom and her father
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: went through with her is now really rearing its head
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: and showing itself and her her and her relationship with Dakota.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: So it's it's sad and I feel and I'm not
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: negating that violence is not the answer, and I'm not
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: condoning anything that either of them have allegedly done to
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: one another, but I think this is a huge cry
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: for help, and at this point, the network has a
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: responsibility to not continue to put them in an environment
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: where they're getting paid and they're getting paid to have conflict.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so well put all right, Well, you're going to
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: be back with Ben later. If we have any updates.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: I feel like we will feel like we I.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Feel we will alrighty well, thank you for all of
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: your insight and guys, you know, let us know on
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: our Instagram the comments and r dms about what you
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: think about this situation and like how it should be handled.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the situation is awful, is awful, but yeah,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: how you think that the network should handle it and
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: how the two of them should handle it? All right,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: we love you so much. Until the next time, which
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: will be very soon. I've been Ashley, I've been Heather. Bye.
• 33:11
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