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Her sins Were Many-Her Gratitude Was Greater!!! · Unashamed Table Talk

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness, what a day.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: What a day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever noticed whenever you are speaking around someone who speaks a little bit differently or maybe a lot differently than you are, then you naturally begin to try to match your accent to their accent or to their like broken English or whatever, like if you're in a foreign country or wherever you're at, or even another part of the country.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_02: Being in Haiti or when we've gone to Africa, any place like that, obviously we speak English, and I talk just like this all the time.
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  SPEAKER_02: But all of a sudden I get off the plane and I'm like, hey, how are you?
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: How are you today?
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, good day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hello.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, what?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why am I doing that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm hearing them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I don't even know why.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't think to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: It just comes out that way.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's just crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Recently, we had a guest on the podcast that we recorded, and she was from South Carolina.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: And the more she talked, like she had a very heavy accent.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it sounded great on her, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the more she talked, the more I realized that we were talking that way.
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  SPEAKER_01: And at one point, you said, Where are you from?
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: And then I said, I love it.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: We just started it.
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  SPEAKER_02: We weren't even one minute into the podcast, and I'm already, I love it, determined to someone just like her.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then as I'm looking and editing our podcast, I hear myself, and I actually I knew it when I did it.
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  SPEAKER_02: After it came out of my mouth, I thought, what are you doing?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's how I was the whole time I was talking, and the more she talked and we had a conversation, the more my Southern California, Southern California, Southern North, South Carolina, South Carolina accent that I don't have was pulled out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I kept thinking, stop talking like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not how you talk.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I really was thinking, Denise is gonna be like, you are an idiot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why are you talking like that?
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  SPEAKER_01: And so when we're talking about it later, and then you brought up you doing it, we both sounded like a couple of idiots.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so we were both idiots together, yes, which is normal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pretty common.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what we do well together.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: We're idiots.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have laughed so stinking much on this trip, and it's been a lot of fun, and it's really fun to get together and have a chance to record podcast today.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about nothing to do with your words, we're going a whole different action, action, a whole different area, and we're gonna be in Luke chapter 7, verse 36.
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  SPEAKER_01: There we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you want me to read it?
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's because you don't have your Bible.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's in the truck, people.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's in the truck, downstairs, yeah, across the parking lot.
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  SPEAKER_02: And look, we have all women on here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let me just tell y'all, we're in the hotel room, it's nighttime.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do not know it's all women.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't be talking about things like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I got my bra off.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can't share that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you can.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ladies, y'all know, when you take your bra off, don't nobody want to put that joker back on to go down to the parking lot and cross to the truck and all the things.
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  SPEAKER_02: So no, you do not.
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  unknown: You don't want to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you're supposed to do that, if you're not a lady, I apologize for her indecency.
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  SPEAKER_02: They can't see me.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's true, it's true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Luke chapter 7, verse 36.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then one of the Pharisees asked him to eat with him, and he went to the Pharisees' house and sat down to eat.
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  SPEAKER_01: And behold, a woman in the city who was a sinner, a sinner, it could have been me.
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  SPEAKER_01: When she knew that Jesus sat at the table in the Pharisee's house, brought an all an all an alabaster flask of fragrant oil, and stood at his feet behind him, weeping, when she began to wash his feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head, and she kissed his feet and anointed them with the fragrant oil.
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  SPEAKER_01: Stop there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so good.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this starts off with the Pharisee inviting Jesus to come and have a meal with him.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the translation BJ's reading out of is the New King James Version.
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  SPEAKER_02: The NLT says Simon the Pharisee.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we do know that this is a Pharisee, as her Bible says, but his name is Simon.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Simon has Jesus come.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're like picking his brain, asking him questions.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're trying to find out all the things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're reclining at the table.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I want us just to kind of remember and kind of visualize this if we can.
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  SPEAKER_02: Back in those days, reclining at the table did not look like it does for us today.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today we would pull up a chair and sit at the table.
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  SPEAKER_02: When they were reclining, it is like when you sometimes just lean, lay down and kind of put that one elbow up and you're halfway sitting up, but you're just laying down on one side in the living room floor watching TV or something, or you're laying in the bed and you flip over on one side and you kind of raise up your upper body and put your elbow underneath, and you're just kind of setting up just a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's how they would recline at the table.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as they're reclining, it says that she comes in behind Jesus and she kneels at his feet and she just starts to clean clean his feet.
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  SPEAKER_02: She starts to cry.
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  SPEAKER_02: Her tears are dropping on his feet.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yes, like it said, she is a sinner.
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  SPEAKER_02: The type of sinner she is, she is known to be the prostitute in town.
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  SPEAKER_02: But she comes, this day comes that she knows that she needs a change.
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  SPEAKER_02: She wants something different, and she knows where to get it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she goes straight to him.
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  SPEAKER_02: She doesn't care who's looking, she doesn't care what they think, what they feel, nothing.
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  SPEAKER_02: She just goes, kneels at his feet, and starts to just weep.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as her tears hit his feet, she undoes her hair and starts to wipe his feet with her hair.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's just such a beautiful picture of surrender to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: No words were spoken, or if they were if there were words, they were not recorded in the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_02: She didn't need words, it was her action of surrender.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, one thing I want to bring up, and I just am curious.
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  SPEAKER_01: First off, how do we know that she was a prostitute?
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  SPEAKER_01: And why is it that she is in, you know, we have several stud st several scriptures throughout the word that talks about sexual sin and prostitutes and different things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why does it never talk about the man that's hiring the prostitute?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, like she gets this alabascar flask, and we found out that it's about two years' wages, roughly, depending on different things that could go into effect.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's the men paying her for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are they not the sinner?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean they are the sinner.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But why they pointed out in scripture?
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  SPEAKER_01: That a little bit bugs me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I've thought that before.
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  SPEAKER_02: That there's different places in the Bible where it brings it up that, like even the woman at the well.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: She is known to be the prostitute in town, and she's going to living with a man, shacked up with a man that you're not married to now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, what about them?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, they're just because he doesn't mention it right there does not mean that he thinks it's okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like they're still sinners as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I do see what you're saying.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I've I've noticed that before too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and matter of fact, I've done a talk on it where I've just stopped and said, okay, hold up, let's just make mention that these these guys that's doing the pay and they're calling her over and they're sleeping with her, like they're they're guilty.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, even though it doesn't say it right there, but it they are.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, even the the woman that is about to get stoned and they in the crowd draws her out, and they're gonna, you know, basically stone her to death, and she was a prostitute as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the Lord basically says, you know, he writes something in the dirt and you know, says the you know, he without sin cast the first stone.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was speaking at this church in Alabama recently, and they had a bucket full of rocks.
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  SPEAKER_01: I realized that on the front of the bucket it says he without sin cast the first stone.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a bucket of stones.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I meant to get a picture, I didn't, not a point of the story.
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  SPEAKER_01: But all of the men there are likely the ones that had been hiring her and sleeping with her, and yet they're condemning her, and they're the ones that were doing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it takes two to tango.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, okay, moving on, verse 39.
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  SPEAKER_01: When the Pharisees who had invited him in saw this, he spoke to himself, saying, like he's he's talking to himself, this man, if he were a prophet, would know who and what manner of woman this is who is touching him, for she is a sinner.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Jesus answered and said to him, because he heard his thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like he's God.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have to get that he's God.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love this, even thinking about prayer because I love prayer and we talk about prayer a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you just like I think that you should pray out loud.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think even when you're praying in your privacy of your own home, when you're kneeling on your, you know, by your bed or in your prayer closet if you have one.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't have one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it really a prayer closet?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it just a room?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wherever you're praying, I think that as much as possible, you should pray out loud.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it helps you get comfortable praying out loud and teaches you that you get used to hearing your voice.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I love this because this is a perfect example that God hears our thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't have to say it out loud for him to hear it, because it says that Simon had thought this thought that if he only knew, then he would do something about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Jesus answered and said to him, Simon, I have something to say to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he's so he said, Teacher, say it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Simon said, Teacher say it.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was a certain creditor who had two debtors, debtors.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you say that debtors?
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  SPEAKER_01: Debtors.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was a certain creditor who had two debtors, one owed 500 denarii and the other 50.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when they had n and when they had nothing with which to repay, he freely forgave them both.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell me therefore, which of them will love him more?
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  SPEAKER_01: Simon answered and said, I suppose the one he forgave more.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he said to him, You have rightly judged.
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  SPEAKER_02: All of that's so good.
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  SPEAKER_02: First of all, we gotta remember that Simon is a Pharisee, and Pharisees are all about following the law.
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  SPEAKER_02: The Pharisees are all about the looks of things and all of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there is a translation and a the meaning of when Simon says if he if he really was a prophet, he would know who this is, washing his feet.
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  SPEAKER_02: There was a translation in that as I was studying it that said that the meaning is goes back to this.
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  SPEAKER_02: If he was the prophet I thought he was, he would know.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of like putting it in that type of way, it's almost like Simon was kind of believing that he was this prophet, not the Messiah, but a prophet.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's probably headed to that direction.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, sometimes it takes a little bit of sure, you know, witnessing before you're there.
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  SPEAKER_01: The the seeds are being planted, and he's he's starting to believe.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and I I just talked about this not too long ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love the fact that we can talk to our soul.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's a song that says, Oh my soul, you know, there's a lion inside or roaring, oh my soul, don't like don't you give up on me?
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  SPEAKER_02: Don't give up on me now.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in scripture, there's uh in the Psalms, David says, Oh my soul, why are you downcast?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's some different places where David speaks to his soul.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm thinking, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_02: We need to speak to our soul sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_02: We need to speak to ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's times when it's okay to be talking to yourself, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: But here we see that he's not talking to his soul, he's just thinking it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But as he's thinking it, it's like in the moment that this Pharisee is thinking he ain't no prophet, Jesus says, I got something to say to you.
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  SPEAKER_02: In another translation, it says, Jesus answers his thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you said, I just love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's good.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so it just shows the sovereignty of God, the power of God.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so he gives this whole example here of a creditor and a debtor.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if you kind of got lost in that reading, basically it just came down to you got this banker guy, he loans two people money.
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  SPEAKER_02: One he gives 500 bucks, another one he gives 50.
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  SPEAKER_02: And neither one of them can pay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the creditor's like, Hey, I tell you what, both of you, your debts are forgiven.
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  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to pay me back.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is just real simple.
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  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to pay me back.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so Jesus says, if that's the case, who do you think is going to be more grateful?
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  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Well, I assume, I guess, I would imagine the one that's got 500.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he says, You have guessed right.
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  SPEAKER_02: But then that next line, and I don't know what the next line is in the New King James, but in the NLT, it says, Jesus says, Look at this woman.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I love that because Jesus stops right there and he says, basically, if you just picture it, he's looking at this do-gooder, this law follower, the one that thinks he's better than everybody else, and he makes him just stop and he's look at this woman.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the in the New King James, it says, Do you see this woman?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you see this woman?
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you looking?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like that is so good.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: That is good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It says, Do you see this woman?
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  SPEAKER_01: I entered your house.
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  SPEAKER_01: You gave me no water for my feet, but she has washed my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair, with her head.
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  SPEAKER_01: You gave me no kiss, but this woman has not ceased to kiss my feet since I came since the time I came in.
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  SPEAKER_01: You did not anoint my head with oil, but this woman has anointed my feet with fragrant oil.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's just it's so good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wonder, because it doesn't say clearly here, is this still all a mind game?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, is this still all in the mind?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or is this now verbal?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think Jesus says this verbally to him.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: But does he?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because he answers him in his because it's like he thinks that he's he's re I I don't I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is he saying it out loud or is this all in the in the mind?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because it's in whose mind in in Jesus and Simon's mind are they having this conversation?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't not telepathically, but like because Simon thinks the thought, if he was the prophet I thought he was, and Jesus then answers him and says, Yeah, he answers his thought and says, Simon, I have a question for you.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But what was it out loud?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: I believe it's out loud.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've always thought it was out loud too, but then all of a sudden I'm thinking, hmm, was it like I'm Simon ain't got the power to read Jesus' mind.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, but Jesus could put it in it, yeah.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus could put it in it.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think you're making it too difficult.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I really don't.
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  SPEAKER_02: I really I like honestly.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just think Jesus says, Simon, I got a question for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Simon replies, it says, and he says, basically, like, okay, go ahead, like what's your question?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Go for it.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they, I think they engage in a conversation, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he's trying to put it on his level to understand.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: And then, and the part that you just read, I love that contrast too, because what I love about it is he tells Simon what he didn't do, which was not a law that he had to follow, but it was just a thing that they did in their culture.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was custom that, but they did it to show respect and honor to every guest who come in the room.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: It was that was just a customary thing to do.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: My house, I really don't care if you walk in with your shoes on or not.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: It don't matter to me.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's wood floor, it's sweet, my floors get messy 10 minutes after the front door is open any given day, right?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's we live out, there's dirt and it gets dirty.
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  SPEAKER_02: But my habit is when I walk in the door, is I walk in and I kick my shoes off.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not because I'm trying to keep the floors clean necessarily, it's just I like to go barefooted or be in my socks and I just kick my shoes off.
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  SPEAKER_02: What has happened over time?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_02: I now have two baskets at the door because my grandkids kick their shoes off, my husband kicks his shoes off, and if anybody comes to visit, they walk in and they'll see those shoes.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I, if they've never been over before, I have to, you don't have to take your shoes off because they look over and say, Oh, all the shoes are off, you know.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's yeah, they've been off and now are too lazy to go put them back in the closet and they're all hanging out in the basket, and so we just get out and go.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: But it's become a habit, and that's what we do.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's not custom, but it's something that we do in this day and time.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Walking in the door and washing your neighbor's feet, your visitor's feet, it was customary to do that.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: But in that time, they did it because they're traveling and their feet would get so dirty.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: And you know how it is when you're out and you get sweaty and you're dirty, and it just feels so good to rinse off, right?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: And it was a customary thing to do to show honor.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: They still do that when we're in different parts of Africa.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: There's places in Sierra Leone when you get to someone's home, they're not washing your feet, but it is custom.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: You're not to walk in with your shoes on, you're to take your shoes off and leave them outside, right in front of the door, or just inside, and you come in barefooted.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's just custom.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, do we do that when we go?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, because it shows them respect.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: So the same thing here in the Bible.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: It was a show of respect to do that.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: And Jesus is like, You didn't wash my feet.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: So basically, he's saying, You didn't even show me any type of honor or respect.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't humble yourself.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but look at this woman.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you didn't greet me with a kiss, and the greeting greeting was with a kiss.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: There's still places and countries now that they do that, they just come and they kiss you on the cheek.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I almost every time I've been to Cuba or Africa, every time I meet somebody else, it's almost a kiss on the you know, each side of the cheek.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: It is so funny talking about like talking differently when you're around different people that talk differently.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, in Cuba, it never fails.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Every time we come home from Cuba from Cuba, for the first week we're home, or like, you know, kiss kiss on each on each cheek.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then we're like, oh wait, we're back in America, we don't do that here on anyone.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but yeah, it's it's a sweet custom though.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they did that just to that's their custom to welcome people to come in there.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: And he says, You that you didn't do that, you didn't welcome me, you didn't show me any honor.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't you didn't clean my feet, nor did you if we break it down, you didn't even get one of the servants.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then it makes me think, are they is he's you know, it's it's also speaking of the contrast, is like Simon was saying, if he was the prophet I thought he was, if he was the prophet you thought he was, you would have greeted him with a kiss, you would have washed his feet, you would have you know anointed his head with oil.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: So who did you really think he was?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's good.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: I had never thought of it that way.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I didn't either until just now.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's how God works.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: How many times have we read this scripture?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: I just taught on it.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: Never thought of that.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: So that's good.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: But I love how he tells Simon what he didn't do, and then he turns around to the woman, yeah, who oh, and you you asked, How do we know she's a prostitute?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: In other translations, it says immoral woman.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: And when you look it up in the original language in that text, it says a it doesn't say prostitute, but it says a woman of, I forget how it's worded, but I want to say a woman of the night.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's not how it's worded, but basically, whatever that definition was, that's what she was.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: She was known in the I mean I believed you.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: I knew you've studied it because you again just taught on it, but in the New King James, it just says center.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, in the NLT it says immoral.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't say that either.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: It just says an immoral woman.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, again, I love the fact that he's sitting here looking at the guy that's cleaned up, who is the rule follower, who looks down on everyone who doesn't do things the way they're supposed to do.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: They just think they're better than everybody else.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: The Pharisees just do.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: And to look at him and say, You didn't do this, and then turn and look at this immoral woman who is on the ground, tears falling on the feet, her hair down, like she's having a whole spiritual moment over here.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: And he's going, You didn't do this, but look at her, she did.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: And and he's sitting here judging her for what she's doing.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: I just love how he just keeps going back and forth on that.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's so good.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: It says on verse 40, it says in verse 47, Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: I would just argue this.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I know the point he's making right here, and Jesus is right, because you know, like he's God.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: But I think the Pharisees got just as much sin as the immoral woman.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, but she realized all of her sin and they didn't.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: And she's repentant and he's not.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the when you realize how much God has forgiven you, yeah, then you have so much more gratitude.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: When you only are looking at yourself and you don't see all the bad, and you don't really think about how much God's forgiven you, and you don't see yourself as that bad of a person, yeah, then you're grateful.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: But the person that's over here that's got all this stuff and understands and gets it, they're just more grateful.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: You see that a lot in recovery and in not just in addiction, but all kinds of different things in recovery.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: You see someone who used to be a prostitute, Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's one of my most favorite choirs.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: And the reason I love to hear them is because when I just became a believer and I was learning about the word, I was given the book Fresh Wind, Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: And it talks about the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: And that church was falling apart, ready to shut the doors because it was this gigantic church.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: And at one time it was booming, but it got down to where it had dwindled down because the neighborhood had gotten bad.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: And then there were prostitutes literally standing in front of the church.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: There were drug dealers literally standing in front of the church, homeless people sleeping at corn church.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so what happened is people got to where they weren't coming to the church.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: And so it was just a very small handful of people attending church.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: And even in the book, it talks about like they didn't, they were running out of money.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: And then when they did have money in the offering plate, then the usher who was doing the offering stole the money out of the offering plate.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: And they they just give all these stories, but they had this new pastor, Cymbala, and his wife come, and his wife was up there singing, and she started trying to put a choir together.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: This is how God used music is the prostitutes outside and the dope dealers and all that, they started hearing music sang inside.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: And so every now and then one would come in to get some fresh air, you know, to stretch out a little bit, to get out the street, but they were coming in and listening to the music.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: Fast forward when you look at the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir now, they got records, I'll say records, they got songs out everywhere, they're popular, right?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: All this, but it started out as the choir started filling up with ex-prostitutes, ex-drug dealers, transvest transvestites that had gotten Lord, the Lord had gotten a hold of them and their lives had changed.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: All these people that were standing out there in sin and all of this, they ended up being inside and their choir was getting full of them.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: They couldn't really liquid music, but man, could they sing?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so when I heard that, I had such an appreciation of that choir because was reading about where they came from.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: And they praise God big because they know that they have big, big sin that's been forgiven.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: They realize how much God has forgiven them.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I just want to, you know, point out even if you don't have addiction, prostitution, abortion, you know, the the big ones, adultery, all of those hardcore in your story doesn't mean you don't have big sins and that you don't need a big God and that you can't be forgiven much and love much because I don't care how good you are, you fall short from the glory of God.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: And we all have ugly in our past.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: And if you haven't done the ugly, you thought the ugly, and God's word says that that's as equal to sin.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: Twin.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: That and just to touch on that for a second, I think the closer we get to the Lord, the uglier our sin is.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: We realize it.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like like you said, the person who's never done any of those things, it doesn't matter.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: Their sin is just as ugly as my sin, your sin, or whoever else is listening here.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Sin is ugly.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's coming to the knowledge and the understanding that anything you did against God is sinful and it requires surrender and humbling yourself before the Lord to admit it, you know.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think a lot of times people who haven't done what in the world today we call big sins, and they've only done what we call small sins, like it's a big sin.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: It was against God, and God told you not to do it.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's still ugly, and it's still like I think a lot of times as humans, we do this comparison.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we are the worst at comparison, good and bad.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: But it's still just as ugly.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: The consequences might be different.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love right at the end of this little section of scripture, he says to her, Your sins are forgiven.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: And those who sat at the table with him began to say to themselves, Who is this who even forgives sins?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Verse 50 says, Then he said to the woman, your faith has saved you.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Go in peace.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: Mic drop moment, you know, like your sin is forgiven.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Could you imagine back in that day and age, in that culture, to hear from the messiah, your sins are forgiven.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Because they are the ones, the stories that we've been talking about with like the woman, this specifically, this woman, she's so repentant.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: She's so is understanding the shame of the things that she's done, and she's found the messiah, and she is weeping and cleansing his feet with her tears, drying his feet with her hair, pouring out valuable fragrant, you know, perfume on his feet.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: And uh she gets it.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, it's just it's amazing.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's such an act of surrender there.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like I say, I still am just to me, it's just so cool that there was no words.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: I we want to use so many words.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, I do.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: I want to be like, God forgive me, I know I shouldn't have done this, and I'm sorry I've done this, and I know that I should have kept my mouth shut, or I'm sorry for doing this or that or the other, and I want to explain it away, and I want to say that I'm sorry, but I want to have this whole conversation like I'm explaining myself to God, and then at the same time going, I'm sorry, please help me not to do that again.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like all these words.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think that for the most part we do, but I know that you have had moments, and I know that I've had moments where where there just are no words, and you're just broken before a holy God.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: And those are the most powerful moments of healing that transpire without a doubt, when there are really no words.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe that's just again an example of when the Holy Spirit is interceding on our behalf and he's doing that work, and he is he is doing that transformation, right?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I totally agree.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think if we would just stop sometimes talking so much, like I was saying when we were doing the interview, would you just shut up to me, not to you, like with the with the accent, like why are you talking?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: When did he do it?
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know you telling me to shut up.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: Not you shut up thinking it.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, I was telling me, why don't you just shut up?
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Stop talking like that.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is not how you talk, right?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it just comes like we just start running our mouth.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I think we do that a lot of times with God to I again we are to have conversation with the Lord.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's very, very, very important in our walk with Christ to have conversation with the Lord, but it's kind of like I think it was yesterday, maybe.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: You asked me something I can't even remember because you know my members, members, my members were terrible.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Point made, thank you, Denise.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Object lesson number five.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um there was some conversation we were having, and you asked me something, and you said we need to write it down or tell me right now something because you said, because if if I don't write it down right now, that's what you said.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we were talking about your dog.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, you said, What did you say about that?
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I said it again.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: You said, if I don't write it down right now, I'll forget it.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: And then when I ask you later and I say, What did you say about you're not gonna remember?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, No, I probably won't, but I'll make something up.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, I'll make something up, and it'll go with it.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: And you said, Yeah, you will.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, Yeah, it'll sound good though.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'll make it up.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: You can be lying to me.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: But that's what we do, right?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like we just sometimes we'll just make stuff up, like we just feel like we gotta be saying something, and the Lord's going, sometimes, Denise.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: I would rather you just be quiet and think about what you've done.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, surrender.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, sometimes then let's talk about it.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, and sometimes we can't listen to what the Lord is trying to say to us because we won't shut up long enough to give him a word in, and he's just gonna let us, he's a gentleman, he's just gonna let us keep on rambling, moaning and groaning, and excusing it or explaining it, or you know, complaining about it, whatever.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: And he's just gonna let it happen.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then we're like, okay, amen.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Lord.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, thanks.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's yeah, we didn't hear anything the Lord had to say because all we did was listen to ourselves talk.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's it.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: I love that in this story that we were just reading in Luke chapter seven, verse 36, this whole story here.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: It when you really start studying it, what she was doing, it says was such an act of worship.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I love that what she surrendered to the Lord, that perfume, that perfume was a necessity in her trade trade.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: She used that perfume as being a prostitute, being a call girl, being whatever, however you want to word it.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: She used that perfume.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: And this perfume was so expensive.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: And for the fact that she took that tool, that necessity, that thing that she had, and she just poured it out on the feet of Jesus was such a huge act of worship of just saying, I'm surrendering it to you.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm not wasting this precious, this precious perfume, this beautiful fragrance.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not wasting it on sin anymore.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to use it for good.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm handing it over, I'm placing it on the feet of Jesus.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: And the fact that she was just crying and all that was, it was all an act of worship.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Her tears were an act of worship, wiping his feet with her hair and the perfume.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: It was all of act of worship, and nothing came out of her mouth.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Can you okay?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: This is probably a really bad way place to take this, but in this, okay, she was probably a much better crier than I was.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because when I think of when I'm weeping, I be snotting and like it is not a pretty thing, you know.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I just have to believe that she wasn't snotting on Jesus' feet.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: And this is who I chose to be ministry.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: Lord, Lord.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: Have you not thought about that?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I have.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Even when you were teaching on it in Alabama, I was thinking, I just wonder if she was snotting on his feet.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: Of course she was wondering that.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: She may have, because I'm telling you, she was at the end of herself.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: And this is what's so awesome about Jesus, he didn't even care.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it didn't matter.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't matter because it it wasn't about that.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: But that is where my mind did go.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: It also totally, totally random and nowhere near the significance of this woman.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: But one time when I was a bus driver, I had I had to keep my kids in Bullard ISD and all the things.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: And to do that, the easiest way because I was in ministry was to become a bus driver because I didn't want to get a full-time job at the school.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so to keep my kids in blurred, I had to be an employee.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: And the easiest way was to be a bus driver.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I got my CDL.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: It was very challenging.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: I learned how to drive a bus, which was a whole thing.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I drove a bus for a whole school year.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then when we moved back into the Blurred ISD, I didn't have to drive a school bus anymore.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was able to let my CDL go.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there was this, there was a time where I knew God was telling me, let it go.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need that anymore.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're you're here to do this now.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I just remember battling with him because I just thought, well, just because I have it doesn't mean I have to use it.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can just keep the CDL and not have to drive a school bus.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: But it was kind of the insurance policy just in case something happened and I needed to go back to that extra income.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: And really, it was a huge leap of faith for me to say, okay, I'm gonna let the CDL go.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I went back to a regular class C driver's license.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Again, completely different significance and impact.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: But in that season of my life, it was a really big deal to let my CDL go and to let that, you know, to let that go.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: And when she pours this, her, her livelihood out on his feet, that's a big deal.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Because in in really breaking that down, she can no longer go back to the street, she can no longer prostitute herself because she can't cover up any smells and hide the things.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's beautiful, beautiful picture of full surrender.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: Very good.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Again, this is BJ Garrett.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Denise Bowens.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for tuning in to Unashamed Table Talk.
• 38:32
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• 38:38
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• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: May you be encouraged, rooted in truth, and unashamed.