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  All right, let me just make sure. Yeah, looks like we are
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  live. Hello everyone, Welcome to Honeybadger Radio. Merry Christmas, hope you're
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  enjoying your holiday. My name is Brian, and we are trying something a
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  little different this time. We're going to be in twitters. Well, I'm
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  sorry, X the artist formerly known as Twitter spaces, which is a kind
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  of well, I don't know what is it, like a conferencing thing.
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  Anybody can join and listen in And I'm here with Alison Hannah, doctor Randamercam
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  and a number of other Twitter users that have joined us, the Great Resist,
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  Acid, Creitana, Steampunk, Jack Aubrey, Infinite, counter Monetize,
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  Moral, i'van Helmut, James Jones, and none, but none is actually
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  there. I don't mean none, like they're not there. So and I
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  see like normally around this time of year we might have a call in show
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  where people who watch our content can call in and just talk to us,
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  you know, whatever they want to say or or give their thoughts or whatever.
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  Green Badger joined us High Green Badger, and I I was thinking that
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  because I did a fireside chat with Buck Buck Guye. What is her name?
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  Brooke Buckeye Betty I think her name is on Twitter and we did a
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  little conference. I noticed that she does a lot of Twitter spaces things,
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  and I think it's you know, I joined a couple and I thought,
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  well, why don't we try that because it could be I don't know,
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  there could there could be something to it, it could be something useful.
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  So anyway, people are leaving, is she is she talking to you?
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  Yeah, she's well, she's been messaging. If you hit that little oh
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  yeah, yeah front to see it says that she's muted because I see her
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  little mute button. I heard something. I heard something, did you I
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  heard, like briefly a squeak, you know, like in that Star Trek
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  episode where they went to the planet and the people really sped up. Yeah,
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  just agree, I don't hear anything. Hi, Alex w Hi,
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  Jan Newman, high Saltpeter Taffy, Ivan Helmet has no microphone on his Starfighter.
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  Sorry, I guess that's a reference that I don't get. But welcome
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  Ivan. Anyways. Okay, so what should we talk about? I mean,
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  well, I mean like while we're still, while we're just sort of
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  here, how is your Christmas so far? Alis? What did you do
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  we just because Johnthan's mother high to go to help his sister through surgery and
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  New Orleans. I think we. He was driving him back yesterday, so
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  he wasn't able to host like Christmas, but her sister did and it was
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  fun. We went to uh, sort of the wreck room of the local
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  retirement community. Yeah, so well, johns had I gave someone permission to
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  speak. I think someone was requesting to speak. Think it was that acid
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  Kritana. Maybe can you can you speak? Hi? Hello? Yeah,
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  I can hear you. I can't hear him. I can hear him.
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  Really, Oh goodness, that's really more interesting. So I can hear you
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  ask, but apparently not. I don't know why I can't hear him.
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  I got to figure this out really quick. So maybe it's a bit of
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  imagining that the spaces things still has some bugs to work out in space settings.
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  People you invite to speak, that's really the only thing that's said.
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  Well, I definitely I definitely heard. Well, if you can hear him,
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  then maybe you can hear Canna. But why can't I? I don't
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  understand that. Maybe maybe I, oh, you know what it might be?
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  No, because I can hear you. Allison that doesn't make sense.
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  I was going to say it might be an audio thing, but that doesn't
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  make sense. Well, welcome to technical difficulties with the Badgers. Yeah,
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  episode, I kind of hate this all right? Well then what does what
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  does acid Kretana want to say? Maybe you can just Reid tell me what
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  you want to stay there said, and I will looking at Brian, which
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  is incredibly awkward, but perhaps the only way to until I figured why figure
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  out why that is. Go ahead, I'm gonna look into it while you
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  guys are talking. While you're talking, Okay, actual topic, aside from
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  just shooting the ship on Christmas, I talk about like, uh, recent
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  tweets interactions. Yeah, sure, I'm gonna try to mute and unmute everybody.
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  I don't know if that's gonna do anything. Hello, Okay, okay,
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  okay, just just pause for a second there. Okay, So Brian,
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  you muted everyone and unmuted them. I did, but but now you're
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  all unmuted. Hannah, can you speak? Speak? Canna live? Somebody,
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  get somebody, get elon Musk on the phone. This is her.
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  Oh hi, Brooke, Brooke, help us out here, make make her,
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  make her a talker. Help us out. Why can't I hear people's
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  audio but can't, but Allison can. I don't understand that I can hear
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  Allison's audio, but I can't hear the other people's audio. Excuse me?
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  Invite? Yes, okay, yes, yeah, I think that's probably what's
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  gonna have to happen. All right, ask that tells you you might have
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  to leave and come back. All right, I will leave and come back.
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  That's fine, Okay, I'll be back. Sorry, guys, give
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  me a second. I'm gonna leave and come back into the chat. Here
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  we go, so it guess it's a little iffy. That's fine, Yes,
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  yes, good, that's weird. There was lag back you guys hear
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  me all right now that I'm not going to talk about him behind his back.
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  No, the attack cat, So I'm because I am hearing everything on
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  a delay. Oh really? Okay? All right, well go and come
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  back and I will anoint you co host again and perhaps it will stitch this
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  time. It's okay, did you guys hear me? How are your Christmas
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  is doing doing? How are you doing that Christmas? Okay? I don't
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  know if I just lost everybody sound you may have. I just lost everybody
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  said, just a second, I'm going to message her sucks. You were
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  saying acid that you felt that oh she did she come? Okay, all
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  right, everybody eyed, Okay, looking get all right. So you were
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  saying acid that you think that trans women trans men experience more violence than trans
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  women. Yeah, okay, I really can't talk to that. Yeah,
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  I'm I'm writing an article thing on that and I can send it to you
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  later. Yeah. Sure. Is there any sort of conclusion you wanted to
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  come from you from that? Or I just wanted a discussion. No,
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  I wanted to bring up how I made that claim, and then I was
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  just caught a whole bunch of things by like random feminists and stuff, and
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  how they just insulted me and stuff, And honestly, I found it funny
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  because it actually takes a lot to offend me. Not gonna lie, but
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  yeah, I just wanted to bring up all the things that they called me
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  because of it. You guys, hear me, Okay, sure what they
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  call? Well, one person who is also a gay transman by the way,
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  called me a trans bag, and he called me a gable and he
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  also said I'm in cell basically, or that I get no bitches. And
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  he told me that I would only ever hate transman, which I have never
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  actually dated the transman. I've only ever dated men, which is funny.
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  But anyway, and other people were just going on and off about me,
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  and because I brought up how I've been an MRI since I eight and I
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  was a female MRA before I became a female to male MRA, I was
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  told I was like a self hitting woman and stuff, and I'm like,
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  I don't care, so yeah, fun times. Yeah, that is a
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  pretty crazy I don't know whether I mean it's a I would imagine the turf
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  would probably agree with you, wouln't I That turns men because well, because
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  they think of the times men as being women, they tend not to really
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  speak about the subject as much. But I've seen like one or two turfs
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  talk about it, and the ones I have talked about it have agreed when
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  they're like, oh, yes, okay, how much how badly the women
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  have that's what they basically use it for, And I'm like, d and
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  it's for me. The that's majority of violence I faced is after I've made
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  myself be able to look male like, I almost faced almost no discrimination when
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  I looked female, and when every time I d every time I dress up
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  as male. You want to know what's interesting. So I've been told I
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  haven't attractive face, right, I mean, you can look at my profile.
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  I pinned my face. You can do whatever. I don't think I'm
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  attractive, other people do anyway. So I would walk around looking female and
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  almost nobody would look at me, right. I when I had a younger
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  hair, I put it into my cap and stuff and I gross up and
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  I'd make myself look like a boy, and suddenly a whole bunch of people
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  are staring at me. It's like and then one time the hair was falling
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  out, so I had to take the cap off right fix it. And
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  then one guy was staring at me, and he stopped staring at me afterwards.
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  It was like, hmm, people just really don't care about making men
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  comfortable, in my opinion, So can you guys hear me? Well,
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  that's true. You do want me asking how long are you? How far
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  long are you in a transition? So I actually started going to therapy and
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  they're gonna hopefully send me soon to go get the the stuff started so I
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  can get on the hormones. And I not legally that way. I didn't
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  choose my name legally and stuff. And I can make myself look mail and
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  I can kind of luwer my voice, but it's kind of exhausting, so
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  I generally don't do that. But yeah, I'm like getting them, Okay,
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  an issue for some reason, I can't invite I have Hannah as a
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  co host, and I can't invite another co host. Like, I don't
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  know what to do. I think it's the limit is to including you,
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  but I'm not able to okay, So I have no idea that what's going
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  on there. Give give the powers to Brook. Give the power to Brook.
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  And I'm going to put Brian the co host, all right, because
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  he's not doesn't have Yeah, can you guys, yes, hello? Can
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  you hear me? Yes? I can hear? Oh good? Okay.
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  Yeah. I was gonna say, like, if there's an issue, just
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  make Brook the co host next time, because she knows how to use it.
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  So I was gonna say the acid kriton. I wanted to ask you
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  if you can hear me? Can you hear me? Yes? I can?
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  Oh good? And I can hear you too. This is this is
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  working. You said that you experienced, or that trans men experienced more violence
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  than trans women. Is that what you're saying, Yes, but most amounts
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  high amounts of violence, right, No, I get it. But let
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  me ask you this though, is it is it what kind of violence?
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  Do you know? If it's interpersonal violence or if it's from outside, you
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  know, like gay bashing kind of thing, or is it like interrelational you
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  know, because like like between you know, like couples or or groups that
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  know each other. Do you know? I think it depends, because,
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  for example, I will admit it's probably against trans women a bit more due
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  to the fact that the scene as either gay men or perverted men. Well,
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  transmen are just either seen as like lesbians or gender non conforming or something,
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  and lesbians do get assaulted less, so obviously there might be some of
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  that. However, sexual essay, I'll say that because I'm around children,
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  I'm not gonna say certain words because of that. But essay is more against
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  transmen dating and DV violence. Are more against trans men stalking, I would
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  say for mostly mixed bag. But yeah, yeah, i'd be go ahead,
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  go ahead, Sorry continue, I just finished continuation, Hi, Jojo.
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  I was asking because I think that you're right, but I wonder if
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  it's for example, Uh, you know, people talk about how dangerous it
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  is to be a trans woman because you might like go home with a guy
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  and then he finds out that you're not a biological woman, and then you
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  know, there's like violent outcomes. But like there's a couple of things that
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  I think get left out of that equation. Like I have to wonder what
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  are the percentage of trans people that get involved with sex work that's maybe disproportionate
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  to the regular population. Not that there's more transgender people in sex work than
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  there are cisgender people. Obviously that's not true. There's more six gender people
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  in general, but of from within the trans population, there's probably a disproportionate
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  number that work in sex work. I've seen lots and lots of at least
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  trans women that do sex work. I don't know about trans men. That's
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  another another thing. So you know, there is like like you said,
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  and when I asked you about like lesbian relationships are the ones that have the
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  highest amounts of DV So then like wouldn't it also probably there'd probably be some
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  evidence to show that if a less lesbian woman is with a trans or not
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  even a lesbian woman. Let's say a woman hooks up with a trans man
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  doesn't know, finds out later and you know, gets violent. I mean,
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  I don't know, because I don't think that lesbian women are necessarily wired
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  differently from regular women in terms of like their propensity to you know, be
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  abusive or whatever. I don't think they're special in that regard, but I
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  think that the conditions are such that, you know, maybe this is more
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  likely to happen. I don't know if I'm making any sense with that.
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  Do you know what I'm saying? Uh? Yeah, I know what you're
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  saying. The first one, I actually looked at the study very recently on
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  it here. Let me see if I can put it up and get after
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  scold it. But they actually did over six thousand trans people may yeah,
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  as w a number. And there's another interesting thing too. Let me see
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  if you can find it real quickly. You know, I have to listen.
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  It's over two hundred pages. To give me a second. Are you
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  at a party or something. No, I've been a family shelter, so
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  it's like there's children around me. Oh yeah, well, Merry Christmas to
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  your family there. Yeah, onea shuck. Okay, I can't. I
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  can't find it. It's too long. It's okay, you don't, you
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  don't, I'm not, I'm not. I don't want to the numbers.
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  It's okay. I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I just
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  I just wanted to throw it out there, something to think about. And
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  the other thing is, can I ask you how old you are? I'm
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  almost twenty almost twenty, yeah, so young? All right, so young.
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  I remember the numbers if you want to know them. Oh yeah,
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  sure, okay, So it was like fifteen percent of trans women and ten
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  percent of transcend you sw but telling drugs, it's actually slightly higher for transmit
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  it to eight. Uh yeah, that you know, that's kind of what
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  I thought I thought it was. I know that there are more trans men
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  transitioning these days than there was. I think it was a majority of trans
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  women before, like maybe ten years ago, but I know that number is
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  changing. So well. Anyway, I just wanted to ask you those questions.
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  Go ahead. Sorry, I was just going to say on that it
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  also depends because a huge chunk I'm not sure if it's whether the majority or
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  minority. I'm not going to say it's that or not, but there is
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  a chunk, especially growing because they're shortening the amounts that you need to actually
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  you know, get into transitioning. Yeah, there's a majority of people who
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  are detransitioning because of that. Previously, a couple decades ago, I would
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  have said almost all trans people who identify as try sorry who are actually trans.
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  But nowadays there's a lot of people that aren't actually trans that are transitioning
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  because they don't feel comfortable in their body. And it's I don't think minus
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  should transition because because you don't know what you actually want. And honestly,
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  when I was a kid, I when I was like, E love it,
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  I was terrified at giving rips and look at me. Now I have
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  a child that popped down in me, So it changed my mind on that.
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  So yeah, it's like kids change their minds all the time. And
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  and some people are just like, oh, I want to explore, But
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  when you go fully and you don't just let them explore, you know,
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  they might end up regretting it. So that's my part of it. Well,
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  thank you for that, And Merry Christmas. Did you get anything cool
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  for Christmas? I got some notebooks and pens and stuff, and I got
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  a couple of gay books that I have violence from them, so it's awesome.
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  Okay, does any Brook are you able to speak? Hi? Everyone?
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  Very Christmas? Oh hey, this is working. Okay, but it's
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  weird because it's it's like showing a mute. Oh now it's gone. Nevermind,
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  go ahead, Brook, I just had some I just had some.
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  I guess quasi good news. The troll that has been harassing me and which
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  was meeting impersonating meet Lord Ruda, impersonating me, the one that created the
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  Buckuye Betty with one t profile. Oh I didn't see that, but but
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  go ahead. He was. He was banned completely off of X today Wow,
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  because he threatened violence on me and my husband and on some other activists.
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  So yeah, I'm I'm still I'm still banned of my original account.
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  This is actually another a new account I made not that long ago. My
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  original account was banned back in like twenty seventeen or something, twenty eighteen.
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  Yeah, I didn't even threaten anybody with violence. Well, Brooke, it's
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  good. I'm glad that you that troll is off your back, although we
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  still have our trolls. On Twitter. Yeah, weird. They're not in
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  here challenging us. That's odd. They're fucked off. I've noticed that they
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  all sleep at this time, So they all are asleep at this time.
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  So what I've noticed, Oh I see this. They I don't know if
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  they just don't they're not covered for this shift or something. M hm.
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  But this I'm just looking at it has that thread the surgery that that was
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  the one with Lord what's his face on it too? Right? Who?
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  Uh the one that just got banned from Twitter for life? Oh yeah,
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  Brooks said his name, but I already forgot it. Yeah, Lord Ruda.
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  Yeah, he's the one that was calling you like, well, Sergio
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  started calling you out, and I think Hannah and then did did hit up
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  arcade for a minute. But he's basically challenging all m ras because he thinks
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  we victimized we we victimized men. Well we were necessarily we encouraged them to
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  feel like victims, I guess, and they're so. I mean, I
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  tried to explain to him that that's not what we're about. Hannah did a
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  really good job. I thought as well, she did. Yeah, so
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  that's why that's why I asked Hannah to come in here just in case,
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  so she can like write him the reading the riot Act. Yeah, the
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  major one is gone, the one that was impersonating me. I mean he
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  was straight up impersonating me and another one of my friends. So all his
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  profiles got shut down. He's down. I mean, that wasn't my intention,
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  but he was. You know, he was definitely reported a lot.
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  Oh yeah, so because yeah, a lot of people reported him. And
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  yeah, Hannah, if you want to talk, you can just request to
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  speak. There should be a button in the lower that it's like a microphone
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  button. Yeah. I think he's already got that apparently. I actually had
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  trouble with that as well. If you yeah, it is it is.
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  Uh, this thing needs a little work. It's but it should be.
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  It should be above your uh microphone icon. We can always look at the
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  threads that they have here here. I'll just put the thread in. I'll
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  give it to you. No, no, you haven't, and you sent
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  it to me Rian, I think, oh the thread, the Twitter thread,
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  I have it. But I'm yeah, I could read. But I
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  wanted I wanted Hannah to speak, so I wanted to see if she can,
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  if her things will work if she could even hear me. I'm not
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  sure Hanah to be able to speak. Oh she's there's some messages in here.
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  What do they say? Oh yeah, she says, don't know what's
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  going on. This is twenty three minutes ago, though, I just wanted
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  to lurk, gonna lurk in plain sight. So Rand mcamm's lurk that was
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  That was doctor Rand m Yeah, yeah, that was Mike. I don't
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  want to speak. That's okay, he doesn't have to. It's probably good
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  and late there, although this is we'd normally be doing the news show around
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  this time, I mean tomorrow. But yeah, Merry Christmas, I'm a
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  saying, Mary Saying says Merry Christmas, thank you so much. And who
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  else? Fish got nukes says Merry Christmas, Badgers, thank you, fish
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  got nukes. Zarang says Merry Christmas. It was a little tree emoji in
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  there. Klepa won six eight Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas? Lefa what else?
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  L M I h K. I don't even know how you're supposed to
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  say that, says Mayrry Christmas. He spelled it out, like what if
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  I try removing Hannah and then bring well she might not be able to come
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  back in. I suppose that you've done that already. Yeah, I just
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  did that. Or Hannah left, No, I think I removed her.
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  All right, Well, ask her to come back. See if she can
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  come back, because she might. You might have banned her from it.
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  I have a banned her. I'm just saying you might have. Uh,
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  Like Grady says, I hope that night motorcyclist goes on to speak his mind.
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  Well, he's totally welcome. I'm I'm like every time I do one
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  of these, whether it's to call in or whatever it is, you guys
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  definitely come in here and give me your thoughts because that's why we're here.
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  This is about the discussion at the end of the day. I'm not trying
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  to be right. I'm trying to do what is right, if that makes
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  sense. So Brook, what do you do? You have any suggestions on
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  how to do this? Well, get some people to talk. Well,
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  I it might be hard because it's Christmas and people. I've noticed my my
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  feed being lower today. There we go. Can she hear us? Hannah?
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  Can you hear us? I can hear you, Guys, can you
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  hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Yes, you guys have
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  no fucking clue. I had to get on every device that I use Twitter
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  on and sign out and weird. Yeah, anyway, because I realized I
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  was hearing you guys on a delay, so I figured it, uh it
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  chose to use the microphone on this computer or on the headset on this computer,
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  but must be using a different microphone on. Well, there is at
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  least one device I'm not signed out on, but it's closed. Yeah.
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  Oh well, now i'll know next time if we're going to do Twitter spaces,
• 26:42
  I have to sign out on everything but the computer that I'm going to
• 26:47
  use. Oh yeah, that's something that I found out too, although I
• 26:51
  am signed on the other computer. Oh maybe it doesn't care. I'm really
• 26:56
  okay, okay, I'm talking like this, and I'm talking like this.
• 27:03
  You're still you're still really low. I mean, we can hear you,
• 27:07
  but you're like really low. All right, you better, it's better,
• 27:14
  Yeah, all right. Well, I don't know. I don't know.
• 27:18
  I don't even know what I'm speaking through if it's microphone on my phone or
• 27:22
  if it's my earbuds microphone, Like I can't even figure that out at the
• 27:27
  moment. Sorry, guys, Yeah, you might be using the wrong microphone,
• 27:32
  but just go and what we're gonna say to Hannah. I have no
• 27:37
  clue, now, Okay, that's how it always works. That's how it
• 27:42
  always works. It's been it's been, uh the story of my week.
• 27:47
  Actually, mm well, I was going to mention that thread. Okay,
• 27:55
  so it's the Sergio thread, the that I've been arguing in the last few
• 28:03
  days, except for the last day. Possibly I don't see you in here,
• 28:07
  you know, I can, Yeah, I can look at m m
• 28:14
  Yeah, there's the threat was crazy long. There was a lot going on,
• 28:18
  okay, because I yeah, I don't have a considering how indifferent these
• 28:21
  guys were. They sure were posting a lot. Yeah. Well they allege
• 28:26
  that there are no legal rights that wind and have that men don't. Oh
• 28:32
  yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I am in that threat. This is
• 28:34
  the guy that said, let's see if one of these m rs will debate
• 28:37
  me. Yeah, of course, yeah, debate bro. I think the
• 28:42
  last thing I said to him, let me see if I can find it.
• 28:47
  I'm sure I can find it. It's it can't be. I can't
• 28:52
  have vanished. No, Yeah, it's ridiculous. This start is ridiculous.
• 28:57
  It is ridiculous. It's it's just I feel like it's just trolling, it's
• 29:03
  not even useful. Maybe it's maybe it's my fault because I called I called
• 29:07
  Sergio a kami. In the last the last thing that I did with brook
• 29:12
  Brook invited me to well because because we were talking no, because we were
• 29:15
  talking about like, like, uh, what was it? The question was
• 29:19
  like, is feminism the fault of men? Like? Does it exist because
• 29:25
  of men? Kind of a thing? And this guy was like, no,
• 29:30
  man, it's the one percent of elites. And I was like,
• 29:33
  what fucking seventh grade talking point? Is this? Just? I just was
• 29:37
  like, this is this is not useful. Guys. I'm sorry, I'm
• 29:45
  that just bothers me. Let's look, the bottom of feminism is is this?
• 29:51
  He had a point, he just had a stupid way of saying it.
• 29:56
  Uh. They they're yeah, it's an elitist It's an elitist movement for
• 30:00
  sure. The establishment, I'll use the phrase establishment, the governing establishment,
• 30:07
  the media establishment, the academic establishment, the people who their grift is being
• 30:15
  pretending to be smarter than everyone else and sending another right to make the decisions
• 30:18
  for everyone else. Yes, they when feminism started, they get they opportunistically
• 30:26
  promoted it. It probably would have died. It probably would have withered on
• 30:29
  the vine, because it's unnatural for human beings too. They were right on
• 30:36
  the internet before it was an internet. But they they did put they fed
• 30:42
  money into it, right, and they gave it life in academia, and
• 30:51
  the powers that be in government giving women voting rights. I believe, at
• 30:56
  least in the United States, did so because they knew that women would vote
• 31:00
  for bigger government. So there's there was a point there. But it's it's
• 31:04
  stupid to say the one percent because that is a communist talking point. And
• 31:10
  I don't necessarily think that the number of people involved is that small or that
• 31:17
  they are all wealthy. I mean, we're talking everything from your your federal
• 31:22
  government big wigs and your wealthy conglomerate business owners to yeah, and politicians at
• 31:30
  every level, and teachers and the kind a desk in the child support enforcement
• 31:37
  agency whose job depends on demonizing fathers as deadbeats and abusers. Even that person
• 31:45
  who makes middle class wages is part of this. So it's like calling it
• 31:52
  the one percent is bullshit. But that's exactly my point, and it's an
• 31:56
  overly It's one of these things that's really easy to say and it gives the
• 32:01
  illusion that you're smart, but it just makes you look like in midwit.
• 32:06
  Yeah, so that's okay. You called him a commie. I called him
• 32:09
  a simp. We both kind of commis are simps. Almost all I saw
• 32:16
  him doing was bitching that that all MRAs do is bad mouths women. Yeah,
• 32:23
  like he hasn't. Really, that's just that's more of a hobby than
• 32:27
  a goal. We are for solutions, for solutions. That's not that's not
• 32:31
  that's just an icing on the cake. That's not bad women. Oh man,
• 32:37
  Like so what, I'm so fucking tired of this. Oh you bad
• 32:43
  mouth women? So what? Yeah, maybe they need it sometimes, Yeah,
• 32:49
  maybe, I mean, and we only do it to the what you
• 32:51
  know, It's like it's like true lies. When Schwarzenegger's character was asked,
• 32:54
  have you ever killed anybody, It's like, yeah, but they were all
• 32:57
  bad. It's that's that's only going after the bad women. We're not going
• 33:00
  after the good women, like anti bad mouth women. It's not in the
• 33:07
  context we're trying to prove that women are the repositaries of evil for the human
• 33:13
  race. And this is honestly even the midline, what's the right word for
• 33:20
  this, the milk toast. The average feminists believes something that basically falls down
• 33:25
  when you poke it a little bit to men are evil. Men are fundamentally
• 33:30
  evil. And that's not my parme. That's not what I'm trying to say.
• 33:35
  I'm not trying to say the reverse of that. And that's the big
• 33:37
  thing people think, Oh, you're the reverse of feminists. No, the
• 33:40
  reverse of feminists would be women are the ones who are primarily like they are
• 33:46
  the vector of evil into the human race. I don't believe that. What
• 33:52
  I believe is that men and women both are equally evil and equally good,
• 34:00
  and they for the same Yeah, and their capacity for violence and or their
• 34:05
  capacity for evil or good is equal. All right. That requires bad mouthing
• 34:10
  women, supposedly, because right now women seem to be defined as no good
• 34:16
  I mean, sorry, no bad, all good at least on an institutional
• 34:21
  level. And there's a lot of women are wonderful, so this is not
• 34:24
  just an institutional level. I think individuals really struggle with this idea that women
• 34:30
  are have the same capacity for good and evil as men. Except there's one
• 34:37
  caveat here. Our society isn't holding women as responsible for their evil as it
• 34:44
  does men. We can look at all the statistics around this. We look
• 34:47
  at the statistics about criminal sentencing, about how people view men and women differently.
• 34:54
  So, for example, if a woman and a man are seen to
• 34:58
  do equally violent things, the woman is seen as less violent over time.
• 35:04
  What the woman did is seen is less violent over time. I believe what
• 35:07
  the man did may be seen as more violent over time. So we even
• 35:10
  tailor our memories to adhere to this notion that women are good, especially good
• 35:16
  relative to men. Right, So when I say, yeah, sure,
• 35:21
  let's blame women, I do it in part because I just love the look
• 35:23
  for that crawls across people's faces. Oh you can't do that? Oh really?
• 35:30
  What? Yeah? You know what I've noticed. I've noticed that it's
• 35:36
  if you say yes, men have historically had rights because they had responsibilities,
• 35:44
  and they had responsibilities because they have agency, not just personally, but the
• 35:51
  community recognizes a man's agency. So if he does something bad, they blame
• 35:53
  him for it. And if there is an expectation that some and then good
• 36:00
  will be done. It's men who are expected to do it for the most
• 36:02
  part, so that's that's their agency, and as a result of that,
• 36:07
  their responsibilities have led to them having what rights you get in order to facilitate
• 36:15
  your ability to meet the obligations that are put upon you because of your responsibilities.
• 36:22
  And feminists will shout male privilege. But then when you say women also
• 36:28
  have agency, and you can blame women for bad things they do, and
• 36:34
  you can place expectations of good on women, it's not female privilege. It's
• 36:39
  misogyny. So agency is a privilege when men have it, but it's misogyny
• 36:45
  when women have it. And that is the root of why people view us
• 36:52
  as bitching about women when we hold women accountable for bad behavior that they engage
• 36:59
  in, and when we hold women as a voting block accountable for growing government
• 37:06
  in ways that taxes men and literally and figuratively, you know, and so
• 37:13
  on. Because agency is misogynistic when you apply it to women. It's a
• 37:17
  privilege when you apply it to men, but it's misogynistic when you apply it
• 37:21
  to women. Until that view changes, that's the accountability gap in a nutshell,
• 37:28
  and until that view changes, until the accountability gap is closed, or
• 37:31
  at least significantly narrowed. At you know, at the very least, we're
• 37:37
  going to see very little change in society. But I think moving the Overton
• 37:44
  window as we have been is closing the accountability gap in public expectations, and
• 37:52
  hopefully that'll lead to closing the accountability gap in legal expectations. Well, people
• 37:58
  also need to recognize that we all have this kind of inborn desire to soft
• 38:02
  pedal. You know, when I say, somebody says to me, all,
• 38:07
  are you can inflame women? And I say, hell, yes,
• 38:09
  I'm not gonna say I'm not just saying it to them, I'm saying it
• 38:12
  to myself, because even I have a residual inversion to it. And yet,
• 38:16
  once again, it's not the counter of feminism, because I don't believe
• 38:22
  that, you know, evil is women like evil is feminine. And the
• 38:30
  more that I talk to feminists, and I've talked to them for twenty years,
• 38:35
  the more it becomes obvious that their fundamental attitude is that evil is masculine.
• 38:40
  Evil is male. Evil is just what happens when you are willing to
• 38:47
  harm other people for selfish reasons, like not in self defense against against an
• 38:55
  attack, but to take what you want to do you want without regard to
• 39:00
  the consequences that affect other people, that's all evil is well, yeah,
• 39:07
  but my point is that, you know, the if we were the reverse
• 39:13
  of feminists, we would be trying to manipulate the landscape, Yeah, like
• 39:19
  the institutional and academic landscape, to present this idea that criminality is synonymous with
• 39:25
  masculinity, and we're not, Like, I don't believe that. I don't
• 39:31
  believe that criminality is synonymous with femininity. I don't believe evil is synonymous with
• 39:37
  feminity. I think it's equal between like like Brian was saying, men and
• 39:40
  women are equal in their capacity to do wrong and to do good, And
• 39:46
  I'm calling out often is this belief that women's choice trees completely devoid of the
• 39:58
  evil options? You know, that that that there's this vision of women that
• 40:04
  they aren't human and they are not morally flawed, and they don't have stin
• 40:09
  and they don't have to choose to not stin. And it's that vision of
• 40:13
  women that I blame, you know, And I actually, honestly I think
• 40:16
  that women they're screwed over by this vision of themselves. Like it screws them
• 40:24
  over. By adhering to it, by serving it, they destroy aspects of
• 40:31
  their own being. And that's getting a little bit esoteric. So I won't
• 40:36
  go tochool. Think about it this way, right, well, let me
• 40:44
  let me do what I was gonna do here. Think about it this way,
• 40:46
  all right. You're driving a car. Is picture yourself. You are
• 40:51
  behind the wheel of a car. You have control over the wheel, You
• 40:53
  have ConTroll over the gas, that brake, the gear shift, everything.
• 40:58
  Right. If you if you are trained to think that you don't have control,
• 41:04
  that everything you do is random and everything that happens is not a result
• 41:07
  of your actions, you're almost guaranteed to crash the car, and then you're
• 41:14
  going to shift blame, Well, it was made wrong, it wasn't my
• 41:16
  fault. Right. That's basically how women live their lives when they can't admit
• 41:22
  that they do have personal agency and that they are accountable for their choices,
• 41:28
  and that when they make a choice, the consequences of that choice are their
• 41:32
  fault. That's essentially that's basically what I wanted to compare it to is your
• 41:40
  life as a car. You're driving without knowing that you're driving, and you
• 41:45
  can't succeed, you can't get where you're going, you can't achieve anything.
• 41:50
  Feminists complain that there are no female CEOs or not enough female CEOs. But
• 41:53
  how do you get there? How can you drive there if you don't know
• 41:59
  your effect on the car? I got it, I got a super I
• 42:06
  got a super chat. I want to read out. But also I think
• 42:08
  there's at least one person trying to say something, and I thought, I
• 42:13
  don't know if it was Brooke, but I thought I heard a voice too.
• 42:15
  But let me read the super chat really quick. Albatross gives us five
• 42:21
  bucks and says Merry Christmas, Badgers, and thank you for everything you do.
• 42:24
  Well, thank you, Albatross. He also includes a peace sign,
• 42:28
  a heart, a snowman, and a dove. So I feel like,
• 42:30
  you know, if you're gonna give the money, I gotta read the whole
• 42:34
  thing, including your emojis. So z oh, man, is this actually
• 42:40
  on the main channel? What is this on the main channel? Dude?
• 42:46
  Uh? Yeah, what do you mean the main channel? Like? Is
• 42:51
  it streaming? No, I'm streaming. I'm on the streaming channel YouTube.
• 42:55
  Yeah, I'm on YouTube. Yeah, I'm streaming this to YouTube. It's
• 42:58
  not just in here, but it's it's uh, it's okay. Sorry,
• 43:02
  let's let us get out a nomenclature. Correct the streaming channel. It's on
• 43:07
  the streaming all right. So who Alison, somebody made a request to speak.
• 43:10
  So actually I think Acid wanted to speak. What was that after,
• 43:15
  Hannah? Yes, it was somebody was trying to speak, wasn't it?
• 43:20
  You asked me? There's a request still there, it's there, Okay,
• 43:25
  okay, So I'm sorry. I was just gonna say on the whole viewing
• 43:30
  women is like less criminally responsible. Over there was an English assignment because I
• 43:36
  literally just loved high school two years ago, right anyway, I was English
• 43:39
  class. I forget what the book was called. It was written by an
• 43:44
  African dude and it was I can't remember the name, but and it there's
• 43:50
  this main male character who ends up like accidentally murdering a guy at a party.
• 43:54
  He has a gun and that like white people are brought over or whatever,
• 43:59
  and he accidentally shot him. And so there's two sets of crimes that
• 44:04
  were labeled. There's the quote unquote male crimes in quote unquote female crimes.
• 44:07
  The male crimes are seen as worse and will result in you getting a death
• 44:10
  sentence. The female crimes are seen as less worse, I mean result in
• 44:14
  you're just getting like sent away for three seven years or whatever into another country
• 44:16
  and then you come back to theirs. And he ended up getting sentenced with
• 44:21
  the female crime because it was an accident. So yeah, I just wanted
• 44:23
  to bring that up. And this was actually real, I believe, because
• 44:27
  I think the author was basing it off of the country that he used to
• 44:30
  be in. Yeah, there's a all right, uh, anybody else,
• 44:38
  what's the request? Kind of fits in exactly the car metaphor. If if
• 44:45
  the female crimes are accidents because women aren't aren't viewed as making their own decisions
• 44:52
  or or as responsible for anything they do. Yeah, I wanted to add
• 44:58
  to that before we go on. This whole narrative of women being less responsible,
• 45:07
  is I think complicit in ruining their lives and increasing their misery overall?
• 45:19
  Oh yeah, it definitely is. You knows as much as it does to
• 45:23
  men, as much as it harms men. The backlash you know that that
• 45:30
  goes along with all that is basically being a loser, I mean, if
• 45:36
  you cannot. I mean I grew up along a lot earlier than like two
• 45:43
  years ago. I was an athlete in the eighties and there wasn't so much
• 45:47
  coddling in school as there is today, and so you know, the coach
• 45:54
  would be more like the no crying in baseball thing. You didn't get talk
• 46:00
  to carefully. If somebody had said, use my pronouns in the middle of
• 46:05
  a lecture, the coach would have sent them home. And so that's basically
• 46:09
  what my life as an athlete was like. As an asthmatic, I was
• 46:15
  always last on the cross country team. I was a terrible runner, but
• 46:20
  I was in it because it was hard, not because I thought I could
• 46:23
  win it. I was in it because I wasn't gonna let it beat me
• 46:28
  except for hurdles, and in hurdles, I was the fourth place runner in
• 46:35
  the Western Buckeye League my freshman year in high school, which is when I
• 46:39
  peaked, because girls do peak a little early. But I wouldn't have been
• 46:44
  able to do that if I hadn't seen myself as responsible for everything I did
• 46:52
  in practice and in competition, and if I didn't win, it was because
• 46:58
  I didn't try hard enough. Right. That's the backlash that if women want
• 47:05
  a particular pathway and then they just sit around and expect somebody else to create
• 47:09
  that pathway for them. They're never going to get it. Now, I'm
• 47:14
  not saying that all women have to be CEOs or all women have to be
• 47:19
  like I don't even think all women have to take the pathway of being career
• 47:25
  individuals like I. I've had a couple of careers simultaneously and enjoyed it.
• 47:34
  But I'm kind of a jack of all trades with what I do and I've
• 47:37
  enjoyed it, and a lot of women do that. We have choices that
• 47:40
  that men don't have. And if you are with a guy that is open
• 47:47
  to that and you want to do it, that's fine, you know.
• 47:52
  Or if a couple wants to be more traditional, that's their business. There's
• 47:59
  nothing there's nothing saying that men can't make whatever decision is right for them in
• 48:07
  their lives right and find a woman that wants to do what they want to
• 48:12
  do as long as she's trustworthy and responsible. It's when we tell women that
• 48:17
  what they do isn't their fault and blame men for everything that bad that happens
• 48:22
  to women, but never blame women for everything bad they do that you end
• 48:28
  up with this high rate of divorce that we have, that you end up
• 48:30
  with women saying I got everything I wanted and now I'm miserable. I've had
• 48:37
  my career and I wish I'd taken time for children. I had my children,
• 48:40
  I wish I'd taken time for career. Whatever. The grass is greener
• 48:44
  on the other side of the fence. It's not feminism's fault. It's not
• 48:49
  blaming women for their own choices and not raising girls and women to recognize when
• 48:55
  you make a decision and you take action on that decision, the things that
• 49:00
  happen as a result are are they happen because of what you did. You
• 49:05
  are connected to that. It means something to you. And it takes away
• 49:12
  from their ability to ever find happiness in their success in what they do,
• 49:20
  to ever find contentment in their relationships. And it won't matter whether they're a
• 49:23
  homemaker or a career woman or both, or have multiple careers or whatever.
• 49:31
  They'll never be happy because they can't connect themselves to the consequences the results of
• 49:38
  their actions. It enjoys the mind, all right, Hannah, I got
• 49:44
  I gotta give the floor, so I have a request. I'm going to
• 49:46
  let this person speak. Where are the requests? Here we go, I'm
• 49:51
  going to approve. Okay, so you should be able to talk now,
• 49:59
  are you there? Yeah? I was just voting up for a second.
• 50:02
  That's all right. So yeah, should I just say my contention go ahead?
• 50:13
  Curious dishes me? Actually I was doing the dishes, yeah, but
• 50:22
  no, My contention is just with the complaining the rout. The root problem
• 50:28
  to like everything is guys not being the right type of men that are educated
• 50:35
  and you know, confident enough to not even end up in relationships with these
• 50:38
  women that do these type of things to them. If guys learned red pill
• 50:42
  facts, if they actually learned evolutionary psychology, if they actually read doctor David
• 50:45
  Buss, they actually read Marty Hazeltim, if they actually read doctor hege Garcia,
• 50:49
  they actually read books on these type of things and wanted to learn how
• 50:52
  to discern women, we would be in a whole different place. What y'all
• 50:55
  try to fix is ten percent is twenty percent of the issue. If you
• 51:00
  go after the root of the problem, which is making men better. That
• 51:04
  is, whenever we start seeing real change in the world, you want to
• 51:07
  see the women act right. We got to have the men acting right first.
• 51:10
  Women fall in line. When a guy is in his role, a
• 51:15
  woman falls into her role. So it all starts with the men. It
• 51:19
  mostly starts with the root of the problem. We can all day long argue
• 51:22
  over you know, who's the horrible people on each side, the one percent,
• 51:28
  the exceptions of the rule, the crazy women, BPD women, the
• 51:31
  crazy psychopath men that the feminists bring up all the time. All you are
• 51:35
  doing is fighting red versus blue, which is exactly what the powers that be
• 51:38
  want. I'm not against you know, I'm not against anybody that's on my
• 51:44
  side that is just against the red versus blue. I'm against anybody that is
• 51:47
  a red or a red or blue. If you're a feminist or you're somebody
• 51:52
  on the men's side that hates the women, I'm gonna be against you because
• 51:54
  I'm on the team of humans. I'm on the team of people that are
• 51:58
  just trying to stay together and bring us together. Y'all don't help relationships.
• 52:01
  Y'all don't help bring people together. And you don't understand that just a few
• 52:06
  months of this type of black pill content really puts a man that just got
• 52:09
  out of a bad relationship or maybe just had their first relationship ever down a
• 52:14
  really bad path. I can't understand if there's a lot of guys that are
• 52:16
  super traumatized and they come to this area of the internet or they come to
• 52:19
  these spaces because they just got a bad marriage and they trying to recover and
• 52:22
  stuff. But even then those guys, the best thing for the depression,
• 52:24
  the best thing for them going through what they're going through, is going and
• 52:28
  getting physical development, going, going and getting a hobby, going to the
• 52:31
  gym, doing stuff to work on themselves is always going to be the best
• 52:35
  answer. And getting it in a loop cycle of just you know, reading
• 52:38
  the same shit over and over every day that is just based around negativity and
• 52:43
  negativity, especially around women, it ends up fucking their life up more.
• 52:46
  Okay, sin an example of negativity in what we were talking about, it's
• 52:52
  just bringing up the one percent exception of women, like the women that are
• 52:55
  doing like the crazy shit, because it's not all women that are doing yeah
• 52:59
  yeah, but no, no, no, can you can you cite an
• 53:01
  example of negativity that we were talking about, Like what you're answering isn't anything.
• 53:09
  All the conversations that have been going on over the last twenty four hours
• 53:14
  and like against me and my other guys. I'm bringing up all of that.
• 53:17
  I'm not just talking about just in this space minute. I invite you
• 53:22
  to go bring these issues that you have on a feminist podcast. Bring them
• 53:30
  up there. I would think that actually that would be more beneficial if you
• 53:35
  want to challenge people with a wider audience and more institutional support. It's not
• 53:42
  about having the wider audience, it's about targeting the right audience. I heard
• 53:45
  you. Wait, wait, wait, let's let's let me let me ask
• 53:50
  a question. Okay, what do you think we think about women? Because
• 53:58
  I think what's happening is you have an idea about what we believe, and
• 54:02
  you're operating against the idea when most of the people in this group are women.
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  And so it's like, what do you think we think? What do
• 54:15
  you think we think? Who are you? Who are you actually arguing with?
• 54:17
  That's what I want to know. It's called self hatred, and it's
• 54:21
  very it's a very common thing. It's very Let me tell you something,
• 54:27
  buddy. You get to tell me that I have self hatred. You don't
• 54:30
  get to silence me by saying crap like that. That is the most misogynoust
• 54:35
  crap you can do to a woman that is silencing me, That is saying
• 54:38
  my right to speak is gone. I don't do that to you. I'm
• 54:44
  not saying, Oh, look, serchi, a man hated he it's himself.
• 54:46
  He shouldn't be able to talk. He just hates me, that's all
• 54:51
  he's saying. Do I do that? No, I let you speak.
• 54:54
  I don't say I don't silence you. I don't say you don't get to
• 54:59
  talk because I think your man hated I think you internalized missensury. Okay,
• 55:06
  I'm gonna say it's not on both sides. Wait wait, hold on,
• 55:09
  Alison, Wait, Alison, wait, what do you mean by both sides?
• 55:15
  What side do you think we're No, No, hold on, answer
• 55:17
  my question. What side do you think we're on? Because I think you
• 55:22
  are. You're talking to a ghost. I don't think that's what we are.
• 55:25
  So tell me what side are we on? A woman? Your team?
• 55:29
  Man? No, we're not? What is Yeah? What does that
• 55:32
  mean? What does that mean? Dude? Y'all y'all fight for only the
• 55:36
  man's side, only the male side. You would never post, you would
• 55:39
  never make a post that the one percent man like, there's a guy that
• 55:43
  just killed his fucking wife and had four other kids at the fucking house,
• 55:47
  just killed killed his wife and killed himself. Y'all would never post that article.
• 55:51
  That's what a feminist is going to fucking post if we go to a
• 55:53
  let me ask you something, Sergio, Yes, sir, let me ask
• 55:58
  you a question about that, because I don't know that case. What happened
• 56:00
  to that man? He killed himself? Yes, So do you know that
• 56:06
  that is an issue that we have spoken to a lot of men who lose
• 56:08
  their minds and they kill people and then they kill themselves. Do you know
• 56:12
  why we talk about that stuff because we asked the question of how did that
• 56:15
  man get to that point? How did he get to the point where he
• 56:19
  was willing to self destruct and take a bunch of people down with him.
• 56:22
  And yet most of the time, when men are going through something like that,
• 56:28
  they just kill themselves, and when they do it doesn't make news.
• 56:31
  But when they kill other people, then it makes news. You know why,
• 56:36
  because then they get to say, look, this is what men are
• 56:37
  like. We don't fucking do that. What we do is we bring awareness
• 56:42
  to the fact that there are women in the world they're probably a small minority
• 56:46
  that can behave this way, but that no one discusses it. But at
• 56:52
  the end of the day, we are pro men and pro women. We
• 56:55
  don't whine. We talk about what matters the MOFE, which are the laws.
• 57:00
  These are things that are like that, that are outside of the cultural
• 57:06
  right, and we're not against guys bettering themselves. We create community. We
• 57:10
  support people who create community for men, because whenever men try to create community,
• 57:15
  feminists come in and break that ship up. Also, just so you
• 57:19
  know, both sides bullshit. We are not a multi billion dollar industry with
• 57:23
  people in all levels of government all over the world. We're not that.
• 57:29
  We're a couple of people on the internet talking about problems that that men face
• 57:32
  that no one else wants to discuss. So there is literally no comparison.
• 57:37
  You're basically pulling You know, I'm not gonna insult you. I'm just I
• 57:42
  understand that you want what's best as well. Okay, well you go ahead,
• 57:45
  but I'm I'm saying you are misrepresenting us full stop. And that's and
• 57:51
  that's kind of a shitty way to operate from right, I'm going to say
• 57:54
  this in the most concise way I can. Right, there are two different
• 58:00
  types of diseases. There are diseases of bad behavior in women, and there
• 58:06
  are diseases of bad behavior in men, right, And our society has done
• 58:12
  quite a thorough job of addressing diseases of bad behavior in men. When men
• 58:19
  do bad things, there are legal responses, there are social responses. There
• 58:25
  are illegal social responses that get legal tolerance, like vigilante violence. Right.
• 58:34
  But when women do bad things, there is not so much illegal response,
• 58:38
  and the reason is because of that lack of agency we talked about. So
• 58:44
  that's the disease there is not currently a cure, right, So what you're
• 58:51
  basically doing is saying, how dare you talk about the disease for which there
• 58:55
  is not a cure yet? When we want to talk about new ways to
• 59:01
  cure the disease for which there is already a cure, that's just fucking stupid.
• 59:09
  That is sid and there's already a cure for it. There's literally alreay
• 59:15
  a cure for all of it. And y'all are the ones finding for the
• 59:17
  stupid thing. That's what's so. Yeah, I gotta say that too.
• 59:24
  I gotta say that too, all right, because what you said about if
• 59:29
  men step up, women will fall into line. What you are saying is
• 59:32
  women's decisions don't matter, women's actions don't matter. Women's behavior isn't under women's
• 59:42
  control at all. And so when women do bad things, women are not
• 59:45
  responsible for what they have done. So for instance, when Jody Arius,
• 59:52
  for instance, when Jody Arius, now, now, now I'm not done.
• 59:55
  For instance, when Jody Arius attacked her her ex boyfriend in the shower
• 1:00:01
  and stabbed him over and over again on purpose with a knife and shot him
• 1:00:07
  right and and all of the violence that she engaged and took pictures of it,
• 1:00:12
  and everything that she was under his control. He made her do that,
• 1:00:16
  right, Look at you use rage with the exceptions of the rule,
• 1:00:21
  just like feminist. No, no, no, the questions that she made,
• 1:00:24
  did he make her do that? No, you bring up the exception
• 1:00:29
  to the rule. No, no, no, it's not an exception.
• 1:00:32
  Did he do that? Her do that? The sweet spot for Surgia,
• 1:00:45
  Okay, at what point are men no longer responsible for their women's action is
• 1:00:53
  somewhere between Tody what was her name again, Judy Arius, Tody Arius?
• 1:01:00
  And can add something? Sure you spoke? Go ahead, please do.
• 1:01:12
  Was it they wanted to say something? Go ahead? Hello? I think
• 1:01:19
  did we lose this? Hannah? Are you still there? Yeah? Can
• 1:01:22
  you hear me? Oh? I can hear you. I can hear you
• 1:01:24
  speak. But I think they got muted. Was it, Brooke? I
• 1:01:30
  wouldn't have muted her? I mean I have acid? Acid your can you?
• 1:01:37
  Did you want to say something? Well, she's out of families.
• 1:01:42
  Maybe maybe she got this earlier. Go ahead? Somebody else did. Okay,
• 1:01:49
  well it's always covered and we don't go ahead. Can you hear me?
• 1:01:55
  Yes, yep, acid, go ahead. I think she's fighting.
• 1:02:05
  You might have to. You might have to leave and come back in.
• 1:02:07
  Get on, get on that, get off that ghetto. Wi fi.
• 1:02:13
  All right. So between June and continuously Jody Arius, Jody Arius, where
• 1:02:22
  does do women stop being like men, stop being responsible for what women do?
• 1:02:28
  Just just give us an idea between those two poles. When did I
• 1:02:31
  ever say that women are not responsible for what they do? When you said
• 1:02:37
  if men, if men step up, that women men fix their behavior women,
• 1:02:45
  No, no, no, I'm paraphrasing you. I'm paraphrasing you because
• 1:02:49
  I can't remember your words. But but when you said that, when men
• 1:02:52
  fix their behavior, women's behavior would fall in line. That was saying that
• 1:02:58
  men were behavior responsible for women's behavior. No, the women is saying is
• 1:03:02
  that there's nuance that any of these issues that you see any Oh yeah,
• 1:03:07
  if you want to do you are literally blaming is with nuance. What are
• 1:03:10
  you talking about? You're literally blaming men being wrong, behaving wrong? How
• 1:03:15
  about your women's behavior? How about you listening for two seconds? Let me
• 1:03:20
  finish, so whenever you have any of these conversations, anything that happens in
• 1:03:23
  relationships. Okay, so you're not going let me finish. Thanks, Monny,
• 1:03:27
  appreciatique, stop the cotique, appreciate that. We want to know what
• 1:03:31
  you're bringing to the table. Don't start talking about us. Let's start talking
• 1:03:36
  about you now, that's not what the conversation is about. Are you What
• 1:03:43
  are you saying about the relations you came in here? I said that if
• 1:03:47
  men are in their role, the women fall into their role. Now,
• 1:03:51
  don't pare frames or don't that's okay. So you're saying if men are in
• 1:03:54
  their role, women fall into their role. That is saying that women won't
• 1:04:00
  straighten out their behavior until men straighten out theirs. That is the same thing.
• 1:04:03
  It is exactly the same thing is in a relationship, it is because
• 1:04:06
  the guy isn't doing his job in something. See there you go. There
• 1:04:12
  you go blaming women's decisions on men's actions. If she is thing that is
• 1:04:18
  going to they're supposed to be doing in a relationship, natural, it's one
• 1:04:27
  way street. But let's let's let's we're talking over each other too much.
• 1:04:30
  No, no, calling it natural and saying that it's it's automatic is still
• 1:04:39
  disattributing agency to women. When when a man cheats, when he's When a
• 1:04:46
  man cheats, he's an asshole. Right when a woman cheats, is she
• 1:04:49
  an asshole? Or is it his fault? She's a whore? It's very
• 1:04:54
  okayful, can both be horrible on both sides? All right, all right,
• 1:04:58
  all right, let me hold on second. I wanna, I wanna,
• 1:05:00
  I just, I just I gotta make this point so you do admit
• 1:05:03
  that women can be horrible independently of men's choices. Of course, I bring
• 1:05:10
  up all the time. I hate city men and city women. This all
• 1:05:13
  right, I'm very equal left and rights. Okay, Even when he is
• 1:05:15
  in his role, she can choose to not be in her role, role
• 1:05:21
  role, then he has the power to always walk away and not deal with
• 1:05:26
  the things that y'all cares about. Wrong, there's very wrong. If he
• 1:05:30
  is in his role and his role in society is head of household protector provider,
• 1:05:36
  and under the law his role is head of household protector provider, he
• 1:05:43
  might be able to walk away from the relationship, but under the law he
• 1:05:47
  doesn't always get to walk away from the financial end of it, even if
• 1:05:51
  they were never married. That's fine. California has plamony. Okay, how
• 1:05:57
  many other states have that yet so far? None exactly, But that's that's
• 1:06:02
  not to say that it will never happen. The other thing is, the
• 1:06:08
  other thing is you also have lawsuits. You also have women who get mad
• 1:06:13
  and make allegations, and you also have issues of women uh sperm jacking for
• 1:06:20
  like no better term, I don't like the term. But none of those
• 1:06:24
  happen. Whenever a guy truly understands intersexual dynamics, I understand evolutionary psychology,
• 1:06:29
  and that's false, actually doesn't happen. Can you hear me? Yeah?
• 1:06:36
  Can you hear me? Go ahead? Can I cut it interal quick?
• 1:06:40
  Yeah? So the first thing I want to bring up is so like I
• 1:06:45
  said, I'm in the younger generation. Okay, and girls, if they
• 1:06:51
  don't want to listen, they're not gonna listen. Okay. It doesn't matter
• 1:06:55
  if you're the most masculine guy on earth and every woman wants to she just
• 1:06:59
  wants to sleep with you. Okay, she doesn't want to follow you.
• 1:07:02
  When it's that kind of girl. I said, you just don't you just
• 1:07:04
  you just don't try to talk to those girls. You gotta understand guys,
• 1:07:08
  I don't try to give them. Guys just take what they can do.
• 1:07:12
  That's the problem today is men have to learn about themselves and learn about women,
• 1:07:15
  so they don't just take any girl that can continue? Can I continue,
• 1:07:19
  yes, ma'am. Because there's a thing where people can hide how they
• 1:07:26
  are, or the man could be autistic or have a harder time understanding or
• 1:07:30
  something right. And for example, I just got out of a relationship or
• 1:07:33
  no, the relationship right before this one where I'm autistic, right, and
• 1:07:40
  I kind of understand it all. Everyone hated him. That was stupid.
• 1:07:44
  But anyway, that kind of thing happens all the time. Or they'll like
• 1:07:47
  literally lie about it, lie about the behavior and then after they're in the
• 1:07:50
  relationship with you, after they've gotten marriage, after they've gotten children, after
• 1:07:55
  they've gotten your support and stuff, they will literally switch around and suddenly it's
• 1:07:59
  oh, I'm gonna hit you now. Oh I'm gonna take all your money.
• 1:08:01
  Oh, if you don't do the dishes, I'm not gonna seek with
• 1:08:03
  Oh if you don't do this, this, this, this, I'm going
• 1:08:06
  to hold this power over you. And then they can threaten divorce and take
• 1:08:11
  all your money and your kids and your dog and your house and everything.
• 1:08:14
  Obviously not every case, Okay, so don't bring up. Oh there's exceptions,
• 1:08:18
  but it happens a lot. And yeah, some single women are not
• 1:08:21
  single women, but single mothers. It is not their fault what happened.
• 1:08:25
  I mean, I'm a single parent. I hate it. And I have
• 1:08:29
  another friend who's a Jew, and yeah, she's also a single parent and
• 1:08:31
  it wasn't her fault either because the dude was actually a buttfle. But the
• 1:08:35
  majority of them, it is their fault. It is their choice, and
• 1:08:39
  it's because they're the ones that are in control and they know it. And
• 1:08:44
  then you said the majority of women are not this way. Yeah, simple,
• 1:08:50
  I can I can I wait, I want to I want to respond.
• 1:08:56
  I got some things to read off of our live check because we got
• 1:08:59
  a couple of super chats and I'm just gonna like throw in yeah but yeah,
• 1:09:04
  let me just read these. And then I wanted to just add something
• 1:09:06
  really quick that I think people are missing, but it's very brief. So
• 1:09:11
  oh, I see on Rumble gave us a dollar and says, Merry Christmas,
• 1:09:15
  good luck with the complex audio setup. Well, thank you. This
• 1:09:16
  was a little while ago, so I kind of missed that one. And
• 1:09:18
  then Albatross gives us five dollars and says, it doesn't matter what role men
• 1:09:23
  adopt. Women will choose to do whatever they feel, regardless of criticism or
• 1:09:27
  outcome. Shrug emoji. And I will add one other thing too. There
• 1:09:31
  was a study that was done recently of Generation Z boys and girls, and
• 1:09:40
  this foot poly extends Generation Alpha, but I know it was Generation Z okay,
• 1:09:44
  and it showed that Generation Z boys are moving more. They're basically rebelling
• 1:09:50
  against this kind of like anti male gender war that we've been experiencing our culture
• 1:09:57
  for at least one hundred years, if not longer. And so as a
• 1:10:00
  result of that The way that the study describes it is that they're moving further
• 1:10:03
  right politically, but that's not really they're just being more independent minded, more
• 1:10:12
  libertarian in their beliefs and stuff, and women or girls in Generation Alpha and
• 1:10:16
  Z are moving further left. They're more about the control and they're more about
• 1:10:24
  essentially like using the state's resources to give them what they want. What this
• 1:10:29
  means is is that men are not actually leading women. And the reason why
• 1:10:33
  is because women don't need men because they have the state. And so this
• 1:10:38
  is something that you have to take into account. All of the evil syche
• 1:10:42
  in the world is not going to save you when there are women doing whatever
• 1:10:45
  the fuck they want because they don't have to deal with any consequences. They
• 1:10:48
  are literally incentivized to use the state for whatever purposes they like. So I
• 1:10:55
  mean, I again, Sergio, I know that you're well intentioned. I
• 1:10:59
  think that there's definitely useful stuff, and I'm all about like helping guys out
• 1:11:02
  as an individual. I'm all about promoting spaces for men to sort of,
• 1:11:08
  like you know, mentor each other and help each other out and all of
• 1:11:11
  that. But it's not a magic spell. You're not like rubbing a lamp
• 1:11:15
  and getting a genie to give you a woman Like, the women are moving
• 1:11:19
  away, dude, Like if women don't get called out, I'm not talking
• 1:11:24
  about the extreme women. I'm just talking about the normal women, the normal
• 1:11:29
  women that think that they deserve the top one percent of men. If you
• 1:11:32
  don't want to live in a society where we literally have harems because there's a
• 1:11:36
  very small percentage of men getting a lot of women, which by the way,
• 1:11:40
  is already happening, then we're not just gonna be able to just keep
• 1:11:44
  blaming men for not doing enough. We've been blaming men for two hundred years,
• 1:11:49
  just blaming men and invisible to like women's actions don't matter. And I
• 1:11:55
  don't mean like a in a rare one percent thing. I'm talking about like
• 1:12:00
  as a general sweeping thing. So anyway, that's all I wanted to say
• 1:12:02
  about that boys and girls are moving further away than ever now and it's not
• 1:12:06
  because of us. Yes, jump right in. Can I say what I
• 1:12:12
  got to say? I'll want to say something. Uh, it's del Yeah,
• 1:12:18
  I mean we have this discussion. Yeah, how you doing? We
• 1:12:21
  have this discussion on some of the spaces that I'm in. I look at
• 1:12:27
  it at two ways, or's a macro and a micro level. The way
• 1:12:30
  that Sergio is talking, I mean, it's a good thing, the what
• 1:12:34
  he does for men, but it's at a it's at a a ground level.
• 1:12:42
  What you what you're addressing is actually at a macro level, which is
• 1:12:46
  to you know, deal with a feminist because their push is doing exactly what
• 1:12:54
  you what you've been saying. You know, they're in the legislature, they're
• 1:12:58
  in the courts, they're in this goals and that's a major issue. And
• 1:13:02
  they've been you know, detegrating and attacking men for as long as you know,
• 1:13:08
  they've been the movement that they have been for thirty forty years. So
• 1:13:15
  I mean, I think you need both sides. But there is a difference
• 1:13:18
  because you know, actually now, to be honest, and I'm not trying
• 1:13:24
  to put down anybody, but when you deal with men on a basic level,
• 1:13:30
  it'll take years to bring them up. But you have to attack on
• 1:13:35
  the macro level as well, and that is deal with feminists directly on and
• 1:13:41
  what they're doing to the young women and men. So you know, we've
• 1:13:45
  had discussion in the spaces before, but it is a dual approach macro and
• 1:13:51
  micro the way I look at it. Thanks, I'm going to briefly point
• 1:13:55
  out one thing because of the point about men's spaces to bring up men and
• 1:14:01
  help men, whether you refer to it as filling their role or meeting their
• 1:14:09
  potential, being their best selves, you know, knowing their agency. Whatever.
• 1:14:15
  We've talked about that a lot on our shows. Maker spaces, men's
• 1:14:19
  retreats, and men's shelters, men's rooms, helters, right, yep.
• 1:14:25
  The problem is that for Generation x's entire lifetime, feminists have been fighting to
• 1:14:32
  eliminate those spaces, or to infiltrate and invade those spaces, right down to
• 1:14:39
  the point where when I was a sports photographer in the nineties and the eighties,
• 1:14:45
  there was a debate going on about women in men's locker rooms and female
• 1:14:53
  reporters that wanted to go into those locker rooms and interview men in towels in
• 1:14:57
  the men's locker room. One women bitch about men and women's restrooms, but
• 1:15:02
  they want to go into men's restrooms. They want to go into men's maker
• 1:15:05
  spaces. They want to go into everything that men do, and they will,
• 1:15:12
  and in particular, feminists want to go in and control. And also
• 1:15:17
  they're given that they're not They're not just like they were given like carbe blanche
• 1:15:21
  authority over all social interaction. It's not even just for women, right,
• 1:15:26
  They like they're the ultimate authority on everything, and they slant all of it.
• 1:15:30
  So like this is this idea that there's like both sides. That's such,
• 1:15:33
  it's so blowny, Like I live in my wife and I live in
• 1:15:38
  a two bedroom apartment. Like I'm not a multi billion dollar conglomerate getting NGOs
• 1:15:44
  from the United Nations. The point I'm making is that if you want to
• 1:15:46
  have the up close, the personal, the micro, the whatever it was,
• 1:15:51
  you have to have the macro to protect those spaces. Absolutely. Places
• 1:15:58
  like this, yes, where men and women are talking are good, but
• 1:16:00
  there need to be spaces where it's just men, just men, no women.
• 1:16:06
  Yeah. And the point you make what I've noticed in the area that
• 1:16:11
  I live in a few years ago, I needed to find a men's group,
• 1:16:15
  and I looked around and the closest one that I could find was like
• 1:16:20
  fifty miles away, and it was like once or twice a week. The
• 1:16:26
  rest of the spaces were both men and women, and it seemed like all
• 1:16:31
  of the groups they always involved women. There was no only men. Like
• 1:16:39
  I said, I think I found one. Yeah, And that was the
• 1:16:44
  whole thing. It was all about control, It was all about infiltrating,
• 1:16:46
  it was all about getting in to men's spaces and controlling what they do.
• 1:16:53
  And that's even more prevalent now than it ever has been. So I think
• 1:16:58
  you have to fight on the top level, which I call macro, and
• 1:17:01
  the micro level, which is where you have the small groups with men and
• 1:17:05
  you help them mentor them. But I mean to take years to do that.
• 1:17:11
  No, No, can't do that. Got to deal with it now,
• 1:17:15
  thank you, delm I do I do have somebody waiting, Allison,
• 1:17:18
  did you want to say something before I give the four to men's Lives Matter?
• 1:17:21
  And then I'm going to go to the next person in line. I
• 1:17:26
  know that you were waiting to say something. Huh. Honestly, I think
• 1:17:30
  that, first of all, I would honestly say that telling men that if
• 1:17:39
  she if you you write and she'll do right. If you fall, if
• 1:17:44
  you do your role, she'll fall into her role is going to set them
• 1:17:48
  up for a disaster. I think the best thing you can do is get
• 1:17:55
  those connections between men and teach men how to set boundaries with the women who
• 1:18:00
  are already in their lives, so that when they date or approach women if
• 1:18:05
  they want to, they will find women who will accept those boundaries. And
• 1:18:12
  I'll always they already have practices establishing. This is why older women are dangerous
• 1:18:17
  giving advice to men in these spaces right there. What you just said,
• 1:18:21
  why because that's not right, Like that's going to push a more equal relationship,
• 1:18:26
  and men and women are not equal. We never will be equally.
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  Wait sept for verbal diarrhea. You just went through saying a while back that
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  men have to be able to set the women. Yes, it's very simple.
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  How would they do that in your in your cosmology? What I've said
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  is that they need support from a community, from other men and the ability
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  to set boundaries with the women in their life in order to learn those skills
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  and apply them to any potential future relationships with women. How would you do
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  it? Those are great tips for sure, but at the end of the
• 1:19:08
  day, they have to read that wlishis like cality and understand all the different
• 1:19:10
  types of women. But you're also treating our audience like Okay, cut me
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  out. Okay, yes, I'm gonna cautch you out. You're already treating
• 1:19:19
  our audience like idiots. You don't think they've already read this stuff? Yeah?
• 1:19:25
  No, I guarantee you actually that they haven't read it, because if
• 1:19:27
  they did read it, they wouldn't even be wasting their time with what they're
• 1:19:30
  doing. They're wasting their time doing. What are they wasting their time doing
• 1:19:35
  listening to rage Bay? Listening to stuff that just gets them feeling better about
• 1:19:40
  their situation that they're in there helps them with their code? What? Why
• 1:19:46
  so you when was the last rage based show that we did. It's it's
• 1:19:53
  what you post all the time. I can go to your page right now
• 1:19:56
  and I can bring up probably almost every single one of your posts of rage
• 1:19:58
  Bay. Yes, but okay, well you know what, fair enough,
• 1:20:02
  it's rage bait. However, why are you saying it's bad if it if
• 1:20:08
  it in fact, if it in fact challenges the notion that women are perfect?
• 1:20:15
  I totally actually think it's totally fine to post rage bait all. All
• 1:20:18
  I'm here to negotiate is terms that I want half of your content to be
• 1:20:24
  self improvement and half of it to be raped guess what I understand marketing.
• 1:20:29
  Yeah, that's not really Hey, if you want, if you want to
• 1:20:31
  be, if you want to if you want that, well, I'm going
• 1:20:38
  to give the floor. I want to give Men's Lives Matter a chance to
• 1:20:40
  talk. So Men's Lives Matter. I think I took your request. I
• 1:20:45
  can you speak? There's still a listener? Still a listener? Why I
• 1:20:50
  understand? I understand marketing. I run a marketing agency. Okay, I
• 1:20:57
  all right, I'm going to give the Florida Men's Lives Matter. Men's Lives
• 1:21:00
  Matter has the floor. Yeah, I'm giving it to him now, so
• 1:21:02
  you should be able to talk. Can you talk? It says, I've
• 1:21:10
  given him the request. You're still showing up his listener to me. All
• 1:21:15
  right, I did it again. I did it again, the invitation to
• 1:21:18
  be a speaker. Yet I think you have to accept the invitation to be
• 1:21:21
  a speaker. Yeah, make sure make sure Mike is ready. Otherwise I'm
• 1:21:27
  gonna move on to keV and give him a chance. Men's Lives Matter?
• 1:21:31
  Are you there? Are you there? Okay, I'm gonna move on.
• 1:21:35
  I'm sorry, We'll try again. I'll come back to you. I'm gonna
• 1:21:40
  give it to keV. keV are you there, Keev? Are you there?
• 1:21:47
  Yeah, I'm approving it, but it's like I'm gonna prove everybody.
• 1:21:53
  Let me give it a go here, all right. I don't know why.
• 1:21:55
  It's like not working for me. All right. Well I've approved everybody,
• 1:22:00
  so I don't know if that's going to work. And now the requests
• 1:22:03
  are back up again. Is it? Is there something wrong with the space?
• 1:22:06
  No, just really quick, I want to. I want to just
• 1:22:09
  because of what happened when I wasn't able to speak and everything. Get in.
• 1:22:14
  If you are asking to be a speaker and you are also signed in
• 1:22:19
  to Twitter on another device that's that's open, like your phone or another computer,
• 1:22:28
  sign out on those devices. That's what I had to do, and
• 1:22:30
  that made it so that I could hear and speak at the same time.
• 1:22:34
  So it might make it so you can accept the invite. Hev is now
• 1:22:38
  a speaker, So go ahead. keV. Hey, guys, how's it
• 1:22:42
  going good? I I I don't know it stopped. I think you,
• 1:22:50
  I think you might be misunderstanding, like how complete the feminist victory over like
• 1:23:00
  women's minds is and exactly the techniques and the tactics and the information that they
• 1:23:08
  like, everything that they think about men is absolutely wrong. They've taken the
• 1:23:14
  one to five percent that are assholes and extrapolated that into every single man on
• 1:23:19
  the on the planet, and every woman believes that utterly because that's all the
• 1:23:28
  information that they see. So you have like complete saturation and they don't need
• 1:23:35
  like that they're wrong about everything is not something that even enters their equation,
• 1:23:42
  Like they don't understand men at all, and yet they have set and they
• 1:23:47
  don't understand masculinity at all either, and they have set the bar for the
• 1:23:53
  last seventy years and pretty much even women that don't all themselves feminists have been
• 1:24:00
  indoctrinated, like to some level. So like it it's it's it might work
• 1:24:09
  on a personal level for you to kind of do the whole, you know,
• 1:24:12
  like if I step up and behave like a competent man, then the
• 1:24:17
  woman that I am interested in dating will step into her role. That may
• 1:24:24
  work on a personal level, But like Peterson talks about, you know,
• 1:24:28
  like women don't really know the difference when they're surrounded by stories of you know,
• 1:24:33
  rape, male bashes. Like I transitioned and thought that that men were
• 1:24:40
  basically believed all the feminist stuff and thought that men were rapist at bashes and
• 1:24:44
  blah blah blah blah blah. It wasn't until ten years into transition, when
• 1:24:47
  I'm, you know, like living as a guy and passing and stuff,
• 1:24:50
  that it even started to occur to me that what I was seeing behind the
• 1:24:57
  lines is not even remotely related to what I've been hearing for my entire life.
• 1:25:02
  Like, women can't tell the difference between competence and arrogance, So I,
• 1:25:10
  like, I appreciate what you're trying to do. Like, but I
• 1:25:13
  think you, I think you need to read a few less evolutionary biological type
• 1:25:18
  books and start hanging out like feminist radical feminist space is a bit more and
• 1:25:25
  listen to what they say because they think anybody in here, like I'm more
• 1:25:30
  friends with I've spent more time with women than any other pe. You don't
• 1:25:34
  know, you don't know anything about us, dude, Don't do that.
• 1:25:36
  Don't don't don't do it. Don't even start that's. I know you're trying
• 1:25:41
  to sell something, but like, let's just talk like like adults here.
• 1:25:45
  You don't know anything about us, don't assume shit Okay, you want to
• 1:25:48
  ask me about my life. You want to ask me about No, I
• 1:25:50
  don't give a fuck. No, I don't care. I don't care,
• 1:25:55
  dude, I don't care. Like look, hey the surgy. Let me
• 1:25:59
  ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Okay, So
• 1:26:01
  male suicide is like, uh, it's it's at an all time high,
• 1:26:06
  especially for white males. Okay, Now, now let me ask you.
• 1:26:12
  How many chin ups does a guy have to do so he doesn't kill himself?
• 1:26:15
  How many? How many? How many? How many stomach crunches does
• 1:26:19
  it does a guy have to do before he gets so he can get his
• 1:26:23
  to see his kids again? How how many? How many jumping jacks does
• 1:26:28
  it take to prevent him from becoming addicted to drugs or alcohol or get his
• 1:26:32
  fur skin back, or I don't know, like not not not go to
• 1:26:35
  jail for a false allegation. How much like these are the things that we
• 1:26:41
  care about. I'm all about self improvement. Okay, I'm okay with that.
• 1:26:45
  Okay, the rule is what you care about? Yes, no,
• 1:26:47
  no rule as well. That's that's what he says about. Any example that
• 1:26:55
  doesn't the majority of men, any anything that anything that doesn't future narrative is
• 1:27:00
  the exception to it is? Can you slaves are not whipped to death?
• 1:27:06
  The majority of slaves are not whipped to death. Are you telling me that
• 1:27:12
  the prevalence of that threat doesn't affect the way slaves act? You're going to
• 1:27:17
  compare men's lives to slavery? God, you don't be disingenuous, fuck with
• 1:27:25
  don't seriously stop it. You're smart enough to talk, You're you're smart enough
• 1:27:29
  to understand. Look, dude, our audience sees right through you. So
• 1:27:32
  like all this like bullshit that you're doing, it's not going to work.
• 1:27:36
  Like our audience is really smart. Okay, so let me let me just
• 1:27:42
  let me just gay and trans people, Like that's how I know that this
• 1:27:45
  audience is basically just liberals. Like it's just a no, actually no,
• 1:27:53
  the world into red and blue, don't you? I know? Right?
• 1:27:57
  Red and blue actually exist? Right? You think that those are real sides
• 1:28:01
  of the political spectrum. You think that that there's this is an entire space
• 1:28:04
  of women talking right now other than honey, Like, what are you talking
• 1:28:09
  about? keV isn't even technically a fucking real dude, Like, it's a
• 1:28:12
  bunch of women talking about men. This makes no sense. Really, Maybe
• 1:28:15
  it's okay that women care about men's issues. You dont care about men's issues,
• 1:28:20
  but you can't understand them. You will never truly understand them. And
• 1:28:25
  the one guy, let me let me ask you a question, trying to
• 1:28:27
  ask you a question about it man, and y'all don't even want to hear
• 1:28:30
  it. Y'all don't even want to hear the truth about men. Let me
• 1:28:31
  ask you a question about man filling their role. All right, as I'm
• 1:28:36
  very close to a guy that did that. His whole family told him that
• 1:28:42
  you got to step up, you got to fill your role. When when
• 1:28:45
  he and his girlfriend were in high school and they conceived, right, so
• 1:28:49
  he did. He stepped into his role. He went into the military.
• 1:28:54
  He did everything that a traditional man is supposed to do. He he protected
• 1:29:00
  the family, he provided for the family, he paid attention to his wife,
• 1:29:05
  He did everywhere. Now it might be, it might be, but
• 1:29:14
  it was him filling his role. So you're you're now admitting that filling the
• 1:29:21
  role doesn't necessarily work. You just exception, Now, not an exception.
• 1:29:29
  That's the norm. The military is not an exception. People in the United
• 1:29:33
  states have ever been in uniform. So no, that's not true at all.
• 1:29:38
  It's still it's still the norm, and in fact, in wartime when
• 1:29:43
  there is a draft, it is much higher. So you don't you don't
• 1:29:46
  even get to you don't even get to to go there. So he went,
• 1:29:51
  he went, bring up nothing, But the feminist is not a feminist.
• 1:29:57
  Let me finish, he went, I debate every day. I know.
• 1:30:00
  He came home and he worked four years. Well, while she decided
• 1:30:06
  she wanted to be a homemaker, then she wanted to be a factory worker,
• 1:30:11
  then she wanted to be middle management, and and and so on.
• 1:30:15
  Never once really decided what her role was. She never once really decided what
• 1:30:21
  she was going to do until she decided to sleep around with fifty guys and
• 1:30:27
  then marry his best friend and then lie about him and say that he was
• 1:30:30
  cheating on her because he found another woman to be with after she abandoned him
• 1:30:35
  and got married to someone else, all right after he filled his role's so
• 1:30:45
  how is he responsible for her behavior? Great anecdote, He didn't ment up
• 1:30:51
  enough. Hannah, I think that there's a limit. Wait wait, wait,
• 1:30:56
  let me, I think that there's a limit about a man who I've
• 1:31:00
  I've sit sat and watched, I think down the frame of a car with
• 1:31:04
  his bare hands. So nobody's gonna tell me that he's not mainly enough if
• 1:31:09
  you think that that makes a guy I'm masculine. Once again, Why are
• 1:31:12
  women talking about masculinity? You don't even know about you? I don't even
• 1:31:15
  know we're talking about masculinity, friend, because I'm a dude and I actually
• 1:31:18
  lead. You get everything that you said he did? Okay? Can I
• 1:31:25
  He filled his role, He demonstrated that his his capability, he supported his
• 1:31:31
  family. Do you not think that there is such thing as nuance in this
• 1:31:39
  world? And that there's probably a hangout? I thinks he should probably learn
• 1:31:41
  about. You don't get to say that because when we talk about nuance,
• 1:31:45
  because when we talk about the issues that we talk about, it's always an
• 1:31:50
  exception to the role. So there's no nuance allout on our side of the
• 1:31:55
  discussion. So there's no nuance all out on yours. Well let me can
• 1:31:59
  I just that's that book I got, I got. There is nuance all
• 1:32:02
  out on your side of the discussion, and there is nuance allout on our
• 1:32:05
  side as well. Okay, Hannah, Hannah, wait, please, please
• 1:32:10
  guys, guys, I think that Look, there's other people that want to
• 1:32:15
  talk. I'm trying to figure out. I think that there's a limit on
• 1:32:17
  the number of speakers that are allowed. So I'm trying to like make space.
• 1:32:21
  So maybe someone has to stop being a speaker. You have to step
• 1:32:26
  out, Okay, coming here anyway because I have to go back to work,
• 1:32:30
  all right, short time. Okay, if this is still running when
• 1:32:34
  I get back, I can jump back in later. But all right,
• 1:32:39
  this is a good moment for me to step aside. I'm going to give
• 1:32:42
  the floor to Oh, there we go, Men's Lives Matter again after you
• 1:32:46
  leave, Hannah, So thanks for coming. I'm going to see if he
• 1:32:49
  can talk. So I want to get through some people. I don't want
• 1:32:54
  to deny anyone. This is I apologize for my clumsy usage of this.
• 1:32:59
  I've never done this before, so I'm not on Twitter spaces. I mean,
• 1:33:02
  okay, Men's Lives matter? Can you talk? Yet? It's still
• 1:33:05
  getting I'm still seeing requests but for some reason they're not going through. I'm
• 1:33:12
  still getting that. I don't know what's going on there, what about speak
• 1:33:15
  at all? What? Well? I'm asking Brooks, just planning to speak,
• 1:33:20
  I'll just remove Yeah, maybe you can drop me down to if you
• 1:33:26
  want. Is that how it works? Uh? Is that how it works?
• 1:33:30
  Brook Like? Is there a limit on the number of speakers active at
• 1:33:33
  any given time? It says seven open slots, So yeah, it should
• 1:33:39
  be fine. Okay, So I think Kindred wanted to speak, so he
• 1:33:44
  is. Yeah, I know he is a speaker. Kindred, can you
• 1:33:45
  say something? Yeah, try to unmute yourself. You have to press a
• 1:33:49
  button I think to start talking. Hey gods, hey, my Kindred.
• 1:33:56
  I just want to touch on sage with saying there's a lot of people against
• 1:34:02
  them in the room, and I think people have seen me and Sergio don't
• 1:34:05
  see eye to eye a lot. But he did make one point it is
• 1:34:10
  down to education. What I see in the edge of like trying to think
• 1:34:15
  twenty years ahead. Maybe what I see at the minute is children being taught
• 1:34:20
  not to come to term issues, just to what we would call in the
• 1:34:27
  UK send someone to Coventry the silent treatment. You just close someone down and
• 1:34:30
  you don't talk. So in twenty years time, I think that's going to
• 1:34:34
  be a big sort of issue in relationships and The thing about men's clubs is
• 1:34:44
  we used to have I know, there's a lot of bad sort of feeling
• 1:34:49
  and animosity towards it, but we used to have the Masons. The women
• 1:34:55
  used to have the Women's Institute, and that all got broken down. And
• 1:34:58
  now the Women's Institute still gotting strong. They still have that knit in weakes
• 1:35:01
  and all the rest of it. But the Masons are classed as some weird
• 1:35:05
  sort of cult group. So every time you try and set up a men's
• 1:35:11
  club, he's gonna be turned into some weird sort of little cult group by
• 1:35:15
  people. Well there are there are groups. So I will say that,
• 1:35:19
  you know, our discord server is a community. And Paul Elam, who
• 1:35:25
  you might know from a Voice for Man He's he has a group called x
• 1:35:29
  Y Crew. There's a bit of a difference in the type of I guess
• 1:35:33
  culture. I think that the people in the Honey Badger Discord I have a
• 1:35:38
  slightly different temperament. Paul's people are like, you know, truck drivers,
• 1:35:42
  blue collar guys, veterans. Yeah, we got that too, But I'm
• 1:35:46
  saying like they're younger people in our discord. These are these are in Paul's.
• 1:35:50
  It's the older guys. So and I agree, well, the thing
• 1:35:55
  is too kindred that now that you bring it up. Even though Paul started
• 1:35:58
  this group and I'm a part of the x Y Crew, I go there
• 1:36:00
  every Thursday. We have lots of you know, discussions about like stuff going
• 1:36:05
  on our lives. Some guys just want to get stuff off their chess or
• 1:36:09
  they're like working on things or whatever, but they gives it gives them a
• 1:36:13
  sense of community, which I think is generally discouraged, like wherever men go,
• 1:36:18
  especially if it gets attention. Generally, this is like what what happens.
• 1:36:24
  And to give an example of that, Paul himself was targeted by the
• 1:36:29
  SPLC as a hate group and they called it male supremacy. Even though nothing
• 1:36:33
  like that goes on, you know, in any of these x Y Crew
• 1:36:38
  spaces, because it has nothing to do with what what is actually happening here.
• 1:36:43
  It's about there is there is a desire to oversee what men do on
• 1:36:49
  their own, I mean, if you and and again as another example,
• 1:36:55
  the in cells right, they have a forum and I've never been there because
• 1:37:00
  I'm I'm you know, I'm not an insult married and all that, but
• 1:37:03
  like I understand what they're going through, because a lot of these guys,
• 1:37:05
  they're not just like guys that haven't manned enough. They're they're disabled, they
• 1:37:11
  have mental health problems, they were born with, you know, conditions,
• 1:37:15
  they're basically just like genetic dead ends. Is how they see themselves. And
• 1:37:19
  it's like, well, what do we do for those guys like you know
• 1:37:23
  that and that? And I think this is a it's a good important question
• 1:37:26
  to ask because when you have a significant portion of the population that has no
• 1:37:33
  prospects and a lot of time on their hands, then bad things can happen,
• 1:37:38
  and people pray on that. You know. I had a a woman
• 1:37:42
  on not long ago named b X or BEX, and she talked about,
• 1:37:46
  you know how these forums there there are predatory elements, like people who joined
• 1:37:53
  them, and they try to recruit these guys into terrorist groups and stuff because
• 1:37:57
  it gives them a sense of purpose and meaning. And so we we can't
• 1:38:00
  help the fact that there are men that are going to be like that,
• 1:38:02
  but maybe we can point them in a direction that is more constructive, and
• 1:38:06
  it doesn't have to be in this sort of like I don't know this weird
• 1:38:14
  framing of and I don't even want to put it in. I don't.
• 1:38:16
  I think masculinity is good. I'm all about that. I've been you know,
• 1:38:21
  pro men for a long time. More I'm thinking, though, is
• 1:38:27
  it sounds like devolution in a way. I mean, like say, for
• 1:38:30
  instance, blaming women, it didn't work for blaming men. Blaming men has
• 1:38:34
  led to men slaughter in the whole families, in themselves, well mostly themselves.
• 1:38:39
  See this is the you're you're yeah, kindred, but you're making You're
• 1:38:42
  making an interesting point maybe without knowing it, that you know, when men
• 1:38:46
  kill other people because they lose all hope and they become a misanthropic. We
• 1:38:51
  can see that, like we see it as plain as day, and we
• 1:38:55
  all point to it and we say, look, this is men. But
• 1:38:57
  when men kill themselves or they just die in their apartment alone, or they
• 1:39:00
  just like become addiculent to drugs and alcohol and they just disintegrate slowly over many
• 1:39:04
  years, nobody says anything because it's not a problem because it's only affecting them.
• 1:39:10
  So this is like the we have to nip this in the butt.
• 1:39:14
  And I think that it starts very early, like we have to this is
• 1:39:16
  the thing, like you know, I see a an argument going on in
• 1:39:20
  a thread on my Twitter where people are saying, what rights do you know
• 1:39:26
  men not have that women do have? And you know, it's funny because
• 1:39:30
  I know it's coming from the the acronym MRA. But the truth is most
• 1:39:34
  of what we discussed are not necessarily rights, but there is one. Do
• 1:39:41
  you think devolving or reforming back to how we was that didn't work in the
• 1:39:48
  past is somehow going to work in the future. Well, what do you
• 1:39:51
  mean by reforming to what? What do you mean? We're not Yeah,
• 1:39:57
  but I'm not I'm not proposing to go back go back to what. So
• 1:40:02
  men's well, I think that men need no, I think men need spaces
• 1:40:06
  though that's not how is that? I mean, I know what you're saying,
• 1:40:10
  because it's going to be put there's going to be pushed back. But
• 1:40:12
  like we still I think that that's the most important thing to advocate for.
• 1:40:15
  What I'm saying is it's going backwards. We had that in the past and
• 1:40:20
  it didn't work, so it's not going to work in the future. If
• 1:40:25
  something didn't work in the past, it's very very unlikely to work in the
• 1:40:28
  future. So it's not really going to work. Well, okay, then
• 1:40:33
  what what do you what do you think we should do instead? Do you
• 1:40:35
  have an idea of what we should do instead? Well? All right,
• 1:40:45
  can you guys hear me? Yeah? Yeah, okay, all right?
• 1:40:47
  So specifically, are you saying men's groups in the past didn't work? And
• 1:40:54
  I presume that you're wrong unders saying that they didn't work to stop what happened
• 1:41:00
  or the extendency of them. Correct, men's groups of the past led to
• 1:41:09
  a situation that we've got now, or one of one of the things that
• 1:41:14
  led to this situation men's group specifically led to the situation, or one of
• 1:41:18
  them. Okay, now you're now You've been semantic about it. Yeah,
• 1:41:30
  sorry, I didn't quite hear you there. Yeah, I think I need
• 1:41:33
  to change something here because I'm not completely hearing you either. Uh. Your
• 1:41:39
  audio is still pretty low compared to everybody else. But the chat is doing
• 1:41:44
  their best. I'm gonna read a super child while you're While you're figuring that
• 1:41:47
  out really quick, Graydon Doors gives us ten bucks and says married Twitter mispadgers,
• 1:41:53
  I can't help but notice that Natty Caddy left a lot of back and
• 1:41:56
  forth comments in the general channel of the HBr calling show disc at hub.
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  Maybe it's worth your wildness gipt through it and tackle a couple of her points,
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  slash criticisms, greetings and some ho ho hos over yonder. Thank you
• 1:42:09
  for that. Yes I saw them. I think that's a completely separate rabbit
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  hole, but one that I guess we're gonna have to confront at some point.
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  Okay, so anyway, sorry about that, Kindred, So all right,
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  slightly better. The men that I've met that really have I mean,
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  I've I've met guys that have slaught with their families. I've met guys that
• 1:42:35
  have tried to murder their wives and broken off knives in the neck. I've
• 1:42:40
  really met quite a few people. And those guys that are not interested in
• 1:42:45
  men's group. What I see in these men's groups are often a lot of
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  guys that really haven't had it too tough, you know, and they just
• 1:42:55
  want to they want to winge a moment, you know. And what you've
• 1:42:58
  said about disabled guys, I really haven't seen that at all. Of that.
• 1:43:05
  Excuse me, you've been part of in cell groups, because that was
• 1:43:09
  what he was specifically talking about, Well, the disabled paper and in cell
• 1:43:13
  groups are they Yes, Yeah, well yeah, there's a lot of disabled
• 1:43:17
  people that have like mental retardation and disabilities and stuff, and they're in they
• 1:43:26
  tend to be in in cell groups because they're kind of I mean, if
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  you're like a guy with down syndrome or some kind of like condition, you're
• 1:43:32
  not gonna you're gonna not do well with women. If I just reiter write
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  my point to yeah, I'm not by the way, I'm not fighting with
• 1:43:41
  you. I appreciate your candor, so go ahead, Honey Badger. What
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  I said, Honey Badger Radio is I've met men who really have had some
• 1:43:49
  problems and they're not interested in going into male groups like as a as somebody
• 1:43:59
  who runs a group like somebody who's engaging in abusive behavior, usually bounce them
• 1:44:05
  because we can't help the like. Have you got any men in your group
• 1:44:09
  that slaughter the whole family? Of course? Have you got any men in
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  that group? Why? Kindred, I don't deal with prison populations right well,
• 1:44:19
  that the guys that really need smell no, they need to be in
• 1:44:23
  prisoned and possibly killed, that's what they need. I'm out. I think
• 1:44:29
  I think that what you're talking about is starting a story in the middle.
• 1:44:31
  You you're talking about a group of men, a very extreme, marginal group
• 1:44:38
  of men, who are dealt with in the prison system by people who can
• 1:44:43
  manage those problems. Okay, I want do you want me to say what
• 1:44:50
  what is it you want that provided for those men when they've slaughtered their family?
• 1:44:57
  So say for instance of woman. But seriously, you're saying that there's
• 1:45:00
  a whole bunch of groups of men who are winging because they don't have it
• 1:45:04
  that bad, and yet you want to provide things for certain things for men
• 1:45:09
  who slaughter their entire families. Well, I'm saying is men's groups don't work.
• 1:45:15
  Okay, So I'm sorry that men's groups may not be stopping men from
• 1:45:21
  slaughtering their entire families, but they are stopping for killing themselves. And that's
• 1:45:27
  the point, honeybuck. How can you have a conversation with someone if you've
• 1:45:32
  got no to and throw? All right? If you let me finish past
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  for ten minutes, all right, And I am responding to you, and
• 1:45:41
  I'm also asking you questions. You're saying they're not actually letting any of those
• 1:45:46
  questions, all right, So if you let me answer the first question that
• 1:45:50
  you asked, you want men's groups to provide something for men who slaughter their
• 1:45:55
  families? What do you want provided for those men? No, that's that's
• 1:46:00
  your cognitive dissidence taken in there. The first question you asked me. The
• 1:46:04
  first thing you said was you expect all those men to be killed. They
• 1:46:08
  should be killed. All right, now, I'm going to ask you a
• 1:46:11
  question. Yes, hold on, let me ask ask the question. Say
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  you sorry not? You say a woman has abused all her children, let
• 1:46:23
  men jump all over their children, and their husband kills them all and himself.
• 1:46:28
  What do you think of that? Man? I think, well,
• 1:46:30
  first of all, you're qualifying it and still think he needs Do you still
• 1:46:34
  think he needs to be killed? No? Exactly. You don't know what
• 1:46:41
  to say now, do you, honeybag? Yeah, because you've completely changed
• 1:46:45
  the context of what you said before what I said, you've only just started
• 1:46:50
  to live. The original statement was men who slaughtered their families. Okay,
• 1:46:55
  honeybag, you obviously need a man to do with you. You obviously need
• 1:47:00
  a man to shower you before you start listening. Okay, do you've got
• 1:47:03
  that sort of relationship with man? And I wouldn't be interested in having that
• 1:47:08
  sort of a relationship with a woman. Are you done? Indrid? Can
• 1:47:14
  I say something? I think talking about men who murder their whole family is
• 1:47:17
  starting a story in the middle. I think the important question is how does
• 1:47:21
  a man get to that point? And it starts, like I was saying
• 1:47:25
  before, very very early. So if you look at men who are in
• 1:47:31
  prison, that are doing life, that are on death row, that are
• 1:47:35
  in jail for violent crimes, ninety five plus percent of them have been abused,
• 1:47:42
  often sexually by people as children, And a lot of the time it's
• 1:47:46
  women that have done that. So when we talk about criminal men, we
• 1:47:50
  talk about criminal men like they exist in a vacuum. If you want to
• 1:47:55
  end the violence, or at least like substantially reduce it, you can't start
• 1:48:00
  the story in the middle. You can't say, well, I know a
• 1:48:01
  psychopath, Well, like, how did he get like that? So nobody's
• 1:48:05
  born this way, so you know what I mean, like, like's gone?
• 1:48:11
  Well, I know he's gone, But I'm just saying this for whoever
• 1:48:13
  wants to listen. And I think that what that kind of like, I
• 1:48:16
  mean, I think if I Sergio should be upset with that guy because he's
• 1:48:19
  basically saying that Sergio is wasting his time by like providing anything for men,
• 1:48:24
  because there are some men who go crazy and kill their family. And it's
• 1:48:27
  like, yeah, but those guys go to jail hopefully. But besides that,
• 1:48:31
  if we don't want that, I don't want men killing their family.
• 1:48:35
  I don't want women killing their family either, So like, how do we
• 1:48:39
  stop that? Well, we stop, you know, like, can we
• 1:48:43
  prevent this early? Can we protect children? This is disingenuous, though he
• 1:48:48
  originally said men who kill their families, I'm like, well, prison and
• 1:48:54
  in some cases execution is how we deal with that. And then we never
• 1:49:00
  deny that evil men exist. We've never done that qualifies with these men have
• 1:49:03
  been abused and their children are being raped, and that's a qualification that came
• 1:49:09
  after the original subset he said he was talking about, and then he got
• 1:49:13
  furious and rage quit. It's like I was trying to get him to clarify
• 1:49:16
  it, like, is there in the subset of men who annihilate their families?
• 1:49:21
  Is there those men who do it because they're insane and psychotic? And
• 1:49:26
  the answer is yes, you know, Sergia brought this up earlier about nobody
• 1:49:30
  addressing none of us addressing the man that killed his wife and then turned to
• 1:49:39
  the gun on himself and left several children like what four children? That happened?
• 1:49:43
  I think yesterday the day before. So I posted about it. I
• 1:49:47
  did it a little bit differently because my approach is that, yeah, I
• 1:49:54
  do a lot of the same things that both of you honey badgers both do,
• 1:50:00
  but I also and you guys just see my material, and you guys
• 1:50:02
  have been in my spaces, so that the one thing, oh sorry,
• 1:50:05
  hold on, let me the one thing I will say about this. My
• 1:50:10
  approach was it what my approach to most of these things is I actually am
• 1:50:14
  trying to appease to women, which I actually did. I appealed to women
• 1:50:17
  because I had several women that actually commented on that post because they were upset
• 1:50:20
  by what I said. But I did say at the bottom of the post,
• 1:50:24
  I said, you know, I posted pictures of this woman her social
• 1:50:27
  media because she was a social media person. And I posted two pictures of
• 1:50:31
  this woman from the article that I read, and she's scantily clad. She's
• 1:50:40
  a wife, and she's a mother, and she's also a social media person.
• 1:50:45
  So basically my thing was at the bottom was basically, you know,
• 1:50:50
  I'm not victim shaming or you know, victim blaming or anything like that,
• 1:50:55
  but you know, make this. Let this be a wake up call to
• 1:50:58
  you ladies, because what women don't understand in the normal culture that we're experiencing
• 1:51:04
  right now. I use that from loosely normal, is that they don't understand
• 1:51:09
  how their actions are perceived by men. And in this case, she is
• 1:51:14
  a mother and a wife with skintily clad clothing dressed on social media. For
• 1:51:17
  one thing, her kids are going to now see that if they weren't seeing
• 1:51:21
  that before. And you know, I just think that, like I'm not
• 1:51:26
  a trad con or anything like that, but I actually think that, you
• 1:51:30
  know, with the day today's society like that, to me, I'm trying
• 1:51:35
  to be appropriate here. I don't want to say anything that's inappropriate, but
• 1:51:40
  that to me is basically putting your husband on a back burner because you're selling
• 1:51:44
  your body, you're selling your assets for money on the internet. Even though
• 1:51:47
  she's not doing it directly, she is doing that's and she's taking advantage of
• 1:51:51
  her husband's position. I mean, she's making her husband look like a fooler,
• 1:51:56
  like he doesn't even exist in the picture. And then also not to
• 1:51:58
  mention what this looks like for her children. I mean, she's not a
• 1:52:00
  very good role model for her child either. Maybe business underpreneur wise we could
• 1:52:04
  go there, but being dressed like that on the internet, and you know,
• 1:52:10
  so it's it's probably not Yeah, like I understand what you're saying.
• 1:52:14
  It's it's definitely worthy of criticism, right, But I mean, and this
• 1:52:19
  could be something that has been a part because they do they were married,
• 1:52:24
  she did have a tpo on him before, so so yeah, I mean
• 1:52:29
  there's a whole other stity just it doesn't justify what he did. But I
• 1:52:32
  understand what you're what you're saying. You believe that women need to be better.
• 1:52:36
  That's what that's you know what, that's what we ask well, we
• 1:52:41
  even just ask people to like at least look because like people will bring up
• 1:52:45
  like, well, what about this man who did this? What about this
• 1:52:46
  man who did that? It's like, yeah, but that's all over the
• 1:52:48
  news, you know about that like that, there's no trouble covering when men
• 1:52:53
  do bad things. There's no problem with that. And I mean, like
• 1:52:56
  obviously they deserve whatever the consequences are. In a lot of cases, this
• 1:53:00
  not every case, because if you might remember, like as one example was
• 1:53:03
  the Johnny Depp and Amber heard thing that went on for what ten years?
• 1:53:08
  And like how was his life turned upside down by all that? Because we
• 1:53:12
  just believed him, like we just diswallowed it all, you know. And
• 1:53:16
  there were a lot of women that came out in support of that. So
• 1:53:19
  I know that there are decent women out there, and they're probably the majority.
• 1:53:24
  But the truth is, my problem is with the ways in which the
• 1:53:28
  system incentivizes women to behave badly or irresponsibly without making them aware of the potential
• 1:53:34
  consequences. And it's like they don't care what women do as long as women
• 1:53:41
  feel good in the moment, and they could destroy them. And I wouldn't
• 1:53:44
  want that for men either. And not only that, but we see more
• 1:53:46
  stories like this with men. See I try to highlight the women's story,
• 1:53:51
  the ones where the women are doing these things, because we always hear about
• 1:53:55
  the men. I mean even nationally, well it's a given. Yeah,
• 1:53:58
  locally we might like not here, we might hear this story, one off
• 1:54:00
  story here and there, but we are always going to hear about the men.
• 1:54:03
  The women that are killing their children in philoside. We don't hear about
• 1:54:08
  that a lot unless it's in your local area. I'm pointing this out.
• 1:54:12
  That's why I'm actually in the process of working with the Voices for Men.
• 1:54:16
  So basically I point this out because I'm like, this happened. We hear
• 1:54:20
  about this locally, but we don't hear about this nationally. When people don't
• 1:54:23
  hear about these things nationally and they hear one off situations in their town,
• 1:54:27
  they think that this isn't a big deal, that's not a big deal.
• 1:54:30
  But the thing is is that this is kind of being swept These things are
• 1:54:31
  kind of being swept under the rug while making women look more and I'm sorry,
• 1:54:34
  I hate to say this, but it's making women look less sinister than
• 1:54:39
  than men when actually I mean I'm pretty sure it's it's at least equal,
• 1:54:44
  if not more, right, So, yeah, of course, point they're
• 1:54:46
  human, just like men, That's what I'm saying. They're fallible all the
• 1:54:49
  same. And just because women are less physically, you know, they're not
• 1:54:54
  We're not the same. But that doesn't mean women don't find ways. You
• 1:54:58
  know, we've talked about look, been doing this for ten years I've seen
• 1:55:01
  everything. I've seen all of it. Nobody surprises me. No, what
• 1:55:08
  some evil women are willing to get up to is not at all surprising if
• 1:55:14
  you are paying attention, but you have to seek it out. And look,
• 1:55:17
  I'm not making blanket statements about women in general. I know that this
• 1:55:20
  really pisses people off, and the fact that it does should make you ask
• 1:55:25
  yourself, why am I getting upset about this? If I have said that
• 1:55:27
  about men, you wouldn't be mad. So you know. I got a
• 1:55:30
  rumble rant by the way from Nova fan who gives us two dollars. I
• 1:55:34
  don't know why these are not coming up on my chat Ninja and says to
• 1:55:40
  some of the men in the space, is holding women accountable misogyny? I
• 1:55:45
  don't know. Well, actually, yeah, I put it. Oh.
• 1:55:47
  And also, Alison, I have not been able to get anybody in here.
• 1:55:51
  Can you try on your end? Because I can't get these people in
• 1:55:55
  here as speakers, even though there is enough spaces available. I don't want
• 1:56:00
  to have to leave and come back, but currently I don't have any requests
• 1:56:02
  currently, so there's no I have three Why Why why am I getting the
• 1:56:06
  request? And you're not what the hell, yeah, I don't. I
• 1:56:10
  don't understand. Okay, can I can? I just can I please respond
• 1:56:15
  to the guy with the why aren't you doing anything for a family annihilators?
• 1:56:20
  All right, go ahead, I'm gonna lead. Well, go ahead,
• 1:56:24
  I'll just stay quiet. Actually, but those of you guys who wanted to
• 1:56:27
  say something, just type it out and and I'll look at it and read
• 1:56:30
  it out instead. Okay, Okay, how would you know if you've prevented
• 1:56:34
  a family annihilator? There have been some guys that I've talked to that you
• 1:56:40
  know, and I'm not going to name names, but I have because of
• 1:56:45
  their behavior and and I don't want to shame anyone, but it was a
• 1:56:48
  little erratic, I wonder because wasticly what I would say is, you know
• 1:56:55
  your kids will be served by you getting yourself healthy, and you need to
• 1:57:01
  focus on that now, not on this increasingly escalating idea of warfare. If
• 1:57:14
  you get right at what I'm saying, So, we may have actually stopped
• 1:57:17
  family annihilators, and I know we've stopped men from committing suicide, But here's
• 1:57:24
  why are we focusing on the minority like the number of men who kill another
• 1:57:31
  person? Like the number of people killed by men is like one twentieth of
• 1:57:36
  the number of men who kill themselves. Why are we focusing on that?
• 1:57:41
  And then the other thing is that once a guy kills he's in the system.
• 1:57:45
  There's nothing we can do at that point. And that was what I
• 1:57:48
  was trying to get at. There's not a men's group can do that.
• 1:57:54
  Now he has to go to therapy and all of that stuff in the prison.
• 1:58:00
  No matter Yeah, I mean you're basically saying, why don't you have
• 1:58:01
  a time machine? Yeah, like, no matter what. Like even if
• 1:58:06
  he was in a situation where he was responding to tremendous abuse, I mean,
• 1:58:12
  maybe we could have talked to him before he did that and said,
• 1:58:15
  hey, you're not in your right mind. Just leave, get yourself better,
• 1:58:18
  don't worry about your kids for now, just focus on yourself. If
• 1:58:21
  you're able to re establish contact in the future, then do that. But
• 1:58:26
  you won't be unless you take care of yourself, get what you need,
• 1:58:30
  and keep yourself healthy. Like, but once that happens, Like none of
• 1:58:36
  us have degrees in criminal science, I'm not exactly sure. And to say
• 1:58:44
  that if men's groups aren't stopping family annihilators or terrorists or our men's groups aren't
• 1:58:50
  didn't stop Hitler, you know, like then men's groups are useless? Like
• 1:58:56
  what that's nonsense. Anyway, I'll get off my podium, all right,
• 1:59:05
  I should we should wrap it up because we've been going for like two hours
• 1:59:09
  and I want to go hang out with my money. What was that?
• 1:59:14
  I'm beginning to enjoy this. I've offended at least five people. I still
• 1:59:19
  okay, So there might be an issue with connecting on my end, and
• 1:59:23
  I'm sorry. I can't let anybody speak. There seems to be something wrong
• 1:59:26
  with the space. But I think I'm going to wrap it up, but
• 1:59:30
  maybe we'll do this again. I thought it was I thought it was pretty
• 1:59:31
  good Brook. What did you think and that you're making reacts faces? No,
• 1:59:38
  I thought it went really well. I think that there was some really
• 1:59:42
  good discussions on the panel. I'm glad that Sergio got to have a conversation
• 1:59:45
  with you guys. I thought that was handled very well as well. So
• 1:59:49
  yeah, this is a great one. Look I will I'm you know,
• 1:59:54
  like for real, And I said this last time I spoke to Sergio.
• 1:59:58
  I don't have anything against you. I think that you want to do the
• 2:00:00
  right thing. I think that you've got something of a valued offer. I've
• 2:00:03
  had guys like you on my show many times, and they have their own
• 2:00:08
  sort of services and they that they offer, and we're all about that.
• 2:00:12
  But while I'm more concerned about the systemic stuff, I'm more concerned about the
• 2:00:15
  laws that impact families, that impact men, that impact boys, the way
• 2:00:20
  that everything is organized. These are not things that you can just man up
• 2:00:24
  your way out of that you just can't. But on individual men you can
• 2:00:28
  help, and that's totally cool, Like I'm down with that, But I
• 2:00:30
  also don't think that men who can't do that. Like if there's a man
• 2:00:34
  who is just like, you know, like he's just got he's unable,
• 2:00:40
  he's like traumatized, he's been you know, abused, he's got PTSD,
• 2:00:44
  he's got mental issues, he's an ins he's born disabled, he's born deformed.
• 2:00:46
  Whatever. I care about those guys too. Those guys are not they're
• 2:00:50
  not gonna do like, they're not gonna be able to like, you know,
• 2:00:56
  rope in. Like the women, they're probably gonna end up dying alone.
• 2:00:59
  But maybe they can find a purpose in their life that they don't need
• 2:01:02
  to worry about that. They have to find a way to be satisfied in
• 2:01:05
  that way. That's what I think, so but nonetheless appreciate it. My
• 2:01:11
  interest is in counteracting the bullshit that feminists have said about men and women.
• 2:01:16
  That has been my main interest, and I also try to help guys overcome
• 2:01:21
  it, you know, you know, not every guy needs a woman to
• 2:01:26
  say, hey, this is bullshit. Men should be valued for what they've
• 2:01:31
  accomplished and what they've done. You know. That's and they're not in this
• 2:01:36
  society. They're not at all, you know, And that's what I want
• 2:01:41
  to do. I just want to because I know that this when I've looked
• 2:01:44
  at the more I look at feminism, the more I realize that if women
• 2:01:50
  were held with the same standards as men, they would never have gotten the
• 2:01:55
  boat without the draft, and they would never have created feminism because it's not
• 2:02:00
  science. They would they would have gone before their first uh patriarchal peer review
• 2:02:08
  board, and the one would be twisting his mustache and saying, so,
• 2:02:12
  what is the hypothesis that you say can be fault that you are setting forth
• 2:02:17
  and how is it falsifiable? And the first feminists would say, well,
• 2:02:25
  well, I mean it's not. It's more of a philosophy. But we
• 2:02:28
  do have a strict understanding of blah blah blah nuance exception nuance and uh and
• 2:02:35
  mister mustache Twirler would say, hmm, not a science declined out and there
• 2:02:42
  would have been no feminism because it's it is academically not. We know there
• 2:02:49
  might have been a political political movement, but it wouldn't have rotted out academia.
• 2:02:57
  All right, all right, well we're gonna We're gonna close it out.
• 2:03:00
  You guys can I'm sorry. I wanted to give everybody speaking time,
• 2:03:04
  but something's wrong with spaces and I was kind of afraid to leave because I
• 2:03:09
  might like not be able to get back in. Elon Musk, you need
• 2:03:11
  to fix this shit yesterday. Get on it. Somebody, somebody who's got
• 2:03:16
  who's got Elon Musk's phone number, call him, tell him fix spaces,
• 2:03:20
  make it more stable, make it to where it works more consistently. I
• 2:03:25
  don't know. It could be Allison's ghetto internet though, maybe because she's hosting
• 2:03:30
  anyway, So I'm gonna close out. I'm gonna leave and close out the
• 2:03:34
  show. Thank you, Brooke randmercam uh and for those of you guys who
• 2:03:39
  joined us, like Zaraans, I think Private Pirate, Sergio Delme, Loki,
• 2:03:43
  Ivan and Antonio, Ghosts, recon Men's Lives Matters too, and seb
• 2:03:48
  Ross and anyone I missed. Thank you guys so much for coming on the
• 2:03:51
  chat. Have a very very merry Christmas, and we will talk to you
• 2:03:58
  guys in the next one. We'll set something up, all right, So
• 2:04:01
  have a good one. Now I'm going to talk to you guys at our
• 2:04:08
  on our YouTube channel. So who that was? That was fun? I
• 2:04:14
  enjoyed it. What do you guys think? Maybe, you know, give
• 2:04:19
  me a follow on Twitter and maybe next time I was gonna host the spaces
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  but it didn't end up happening for me because I don't have as many followers.
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  So maybe if I have more followers, I could do the hosting and
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  then we would get more traffic and I'd have a better Internet and I'd be
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  able to control it. So maybe go over to Badger Arcade and follow me
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  there. I think that this could be a really like a useful tool to
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  take this conversation to the next level, which I think would be great.
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  So and let me know what you guys think about this in the comments.
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  I'm gonna close out the show, so thank you guys for yours. Let
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  me just look and make sure to miss any super chats or superchows or rumble
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  rants or anything like that. No, it looks good, so all right,
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  well I guess I'll just end the show then. So if you guys
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  today's episode. Oh Dean Domino sent me a thing, Uh Dean Domino twenty
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  five Both Sides China Feminism attacks Taiwan men's men's spaces, lobby nukes everywhere,
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  and defenders only have sticks and rocks. Yeah right, yeah, you know,
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  it's like I've said, what I noticed when people do the both sides
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  thing, what they do is they're like, it's like, and I've said
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  this before, it's like, you have a kid. He also school every
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  morning. He's kind of scrawny, and there's this bully and this bully picks
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  on him, takes his lunch money, takes his food, pushes him around,
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  you know, and and insults him constantly. And then one day,
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  one day, that kid stands up for himself and it just so happens that
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  a teacher or principal sees it and suspends both kids, punishes both, and
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  the little kid gets in trouble with his parents just like the bully does,
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  except the bully is more resilient, and so like this is the same thing.
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  It's like there's no discernment, and it's funny. This guy's like all
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  about the nuance, but this whole you're both you're both the same thing,
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  red versus blue. That you know, that's feminist talk points right, This
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  is like I think that this is like mildly feminist, like, oh,
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  we should just guys should just deal with it. They should just deal with
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  it. Yeah, I know, she can call the cops on you and
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  say that she's afraid you might do something, and the cops will show up
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  and kick your ass, or you know, she can accuse you of something.
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  You'll get a rested and they'll throw you in jail and you'll probably get
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  beat up in jail or gang raped or something, and then maybe later,
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  maybe in ten years, maybe in fifteen years, they'll find like through the
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  Innocence Project that you actually didn't do anything through a DNA test or you know,
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  she'll just drain your refund, like your your resources through lawsuits and litigation.
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  But that's all that's fine, you know, Or maybe he should just
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  not She a woman that you don't even know, will just go and get
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  welfare. And you're gonna be paying her anyways, even if you don't know
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  her, even if you don't like, you don't even know what she looks
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  like, you don't have to, you know, you're giving her money anyway,
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  and her ten kids from like seven baby daddies. So I don't know,
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  I don't know. I think that both sides thing is so twenty thirteen,
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  like it's so it's so old. Thank you Dean Domino for the super
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  chat. All right, So we're gonna wrap it up there. If you
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• 2:08:11
  today's episode of what do we even call this? I don't even remember?
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  This is basically like the Twitter Christmas uh oh, we call it a fundraisor
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  stream. But I'm gonna leave this one up so I might rename it,
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  I don't know. Merry Christmas, everybody. We'll see you all in the
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  next one. Men's right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are
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  literal machines. They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking deal
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  with, especially if you have, like especially if you have like a couple
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  dudes who have good memory. On top of that too, Holy shit, you're fucked