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The Week That Was – 17th February 2023 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and we
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  Speaker 1: have got a star started line up this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Bill and.
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  Speaker 3: I started, that's a stretch.
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  Speaker 1: We've got Matt Cunning home from sky New Difficult in
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  Speaker 1: the company of greatness.
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  Speaker 2: This morning.
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  Speaker 1: We've got keysy of Good morning to you, Keys Morning,
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  Speaker 1: bush people, and we've got Paul good morning to you.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning.
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  Speaker 4: I reckon, We're going to have a fun morning.
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  Speaker 5: Oh it's already startable.
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  Speaker 1: I can see that you're passing a photo around the
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  Speaker 1: field with some frightening looking eyes from Parliament through the week.
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  Speaker 5: So it's been a very interesting week, there is no
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  Speaker 5: doubt about it, and and it always is.
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  Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say when parliaments sitting. But
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  Speaker 1: let's start off with some pretty serious stuff and that
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  Speaker 1: is the alcohol legislation that did pass weeks after national
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  Speaker 1: uproar over the Allae Springs crime crisis. Alcohol legislation was
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  Speaker 1: introduced on urgency in Parliament, but not without the government
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  Speaker 1: copping hammering. The laws passed the Northern Territory Parliament eight
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  Speaker 1: months after they'd ended, despite the protests of leading Aboriginal
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  Speaker 1: Voices and Services at the time of their sea sation.
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  Speaker 5: Now we know that.
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  Speaker 1: There was some very strong words from Robin Lamley, the
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  Speaker 1: Member for Ara Lun. There was also some very strong
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  Speaker 1: words from the CLP. I think much of it. I
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  Speaker 1: know that both the CLP and the Independence by the
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  Speaker 1: look of things, supported certainly supported the legislation and I
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  Speaker 1: think it comes into effect from today yesterday. Ye yes,
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  Speaker 1: so no doubt that this was very much Needa, but
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  Speaker 1: it really kicked off what was a pretty crazy week.
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  Speaker 1: And Matt, I know that you were still watching that,
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  Speaker 1: I believe late into the hours of Tuesday night.
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  Speaker 2: I was a sad life. I well, I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was sitting in my car in the Woolies car
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  Speaker 2: park watching the last sort of you know that the
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  Speaker 2: final stanza of that thoughted episode. That was when this
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  Speaker 2: LP was trying to ask questions, actual questions about the
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  Speaker 2: legislation that the government clearly didn't want to answer because
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  Speaker 2: it was not answering any of them what the standing
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  Speaker 2: or what it is.
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  Speaker 3: I seven questions made I think the only answered five.
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  Speaker 5: That's yeah right now.
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  Speaker 1: Some of those questions were actually pretty serious stuff if
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  Speaker 1: I understand correctly about the ballot, how that's going to
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  Speaker 1: work in some of the different communities and that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing bill.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Look, the legislation was really rush and hastily put together,
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  Speaker 6: and there was a lot of gaps, lot of holes,
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  Speaker 6: And we're trying to find out and get some idea
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  Speaker 6: of what the legislation is going to mean because we're
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  Speaker 6: getting I know, I am, and I'm getting contact with
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  Speaker 6: people in my elector who want to know what the
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  Speaker 6: details are and what it means for them. So we're
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  Speaker 6: trying to ask questions about how the ball is going
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  Speaker 6: to work because we were told one.
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  Speaker 3: Thing in a briefing and the Chief minist said.
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  Speaker 6: Something completely different in Parliament that it was going to
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  Speaker 6: be the Electric Commission, or it might just be sixty
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  Speaker 6: percent of the people.
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  Speaker 3: Who live in an area.
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  Speaker 6: There was no clear, defining answer that we're trying to
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  Speaker 6: ask that question in consideration, in detail, and they wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: even answer that. So and we're still putting together regulations.
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  Speaker 6: So we've got a piece of legislation that went into
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  Speaker 6: place yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: There's not completely thought through.
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  Speaker 6: They're still putting it together and it's actually already in place,
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  Speaker 6: So figure that one out.
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  Speaker 1: I guess my biggest concern with it is that there
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  Speaker 1: are safeguards and in place that those who are maybe
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  Speaker 1: non drinkers or women or children, that their voices are
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  Speaker 1: heard as well in some of those communities to ensure
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  Speaker 1: that the best possible decision for that community is made.
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  Speaker 7: Katie, there's a couple of things that, Yeah, I took
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  Speaker 7: the microphone away film for it. Having abilities is one thing,
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  Speaker 7: But it's the methodology and achieving the results that has
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  Speaker 7: to be carefully looked at, like how did you actually
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  Speaker 7: get the result that you've got the result?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 7: I think they have to use the electoral commissioner because otherwise,
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  Speaker 7: how are you going to determine who lives in what
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  Speaker 7: community to determine whether they're eligible to vote.
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  Speaker 6: All that said that, the communities are really quite transia,
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  Speaker 6: so there's a lot of people living in town camps
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  Speaker 6: communities are actually not from there. So why should they
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  Speaker 6: get have a say on what happens in that community
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  Speaker 6: if they're not from it.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, like in a normal election local government
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  Speaker 7: or NT government, is you have a what do you
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  Speaker 7: call it early voting, that kind of thing. You have
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  Speaker 7: postal votes, you have absentee votes, all that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 7: So is it going to be that kind of election
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  Speaker 7: which I don't have an issue with it. That's what
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  Speaker 7: the intention is and that that's what the people want,
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  Speaker 7: but I think it's fraught with problems. The other thing
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  Speaker 7: that's one to point out, Kade, you referenced earlier in
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  Speaker 7: the piece about the different groups in Alla Springs, you know,
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  Speaker 7: Congress and health people and whatever warned against you know,
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  Speaker 7: the government not doing anything. There was also a paper
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  Speaker 7: from the federal Prime Minister and Cabinet that was given
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  Speaker 7: out before the sunset clause to the NT government. And
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  Speaker 7: in that document and i'll get you I'll get your name,
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  Speaker 7: proper name of the document. I've got it in my office.
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  Speaker 7: In that document they warned against what exactly happened. That
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  Speaker 7: was prior to the sunset clause. So you can't tell
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  Speaker 7: me this government didn't know the potential what would you say,
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  Speaker 7: problems that were going to arise when the sun set.
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  Speaker 2: The Minister for Indigenous Australians at the time, though, Ken Wyatt,
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  Speaker 2: I mean I've seen the letter that he sent to
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  Speaker 2: the anti government was in March last year, and I
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  Speaker 2: mean I'm paraphrasing here, but that letter basically says knock
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  Speaker 2: yourself out. It says, oh, we're happy with what you're
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  Speaker 2: doing anti government, you know, go for your life. We're
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  Speaker 2: happy for stronger futures to sunset for you to do
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  Speaker 2: your thing. We're happy to it's exactly right.
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  Speaker 8: Well, there's this conflicting information because this paper.
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  Speaker 2: I'm super keen to see that.
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  Speaker 7: Paper, because this paper said be careful because you're going
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  Speaker 7: to have a problem when alcohol is allowed back into
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  Speaker 7: all the communities that's been prohibited in it's the quick
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  Speaker 7: or the.
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  Speaker 1: Dead around here, Paul Kirby, you better grab that microphone.
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  Speaker 9: Kesey is pointing at me to have a say, and
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  Speaker 9: then grabbing the microphone place back in front of her.
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  Speaker 9: But yeah, look, obviously a very serious issue. We did
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  Speaker 9: enact that legislation as quickly as we could. I didn't
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  Speaker 9: see it in the briefings that bill said in, but
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  Speaker 9: I do know it was explained to us exactly how
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  Speaker 9: we're explaining it in here. It does need to be
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  Speaker 9: a ballot of people living within that community. It does
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  Speaker 9: need to be people that are on the electoral role
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  Speaker 9: within that community. We obviously want people that are living
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  Speaker 9: there to have the say to protect the women, to
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  Speaker 9: protect the children, to make sure that they're the ones
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  Speaker 9: that are having the say, but there yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Always have to be a community of a certain size,
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  Speaker 1: or is it you know, like I know that there
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  Speaker 1: was reference to outstations that if it's an outstation, that
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  Speaker 1: it may not need to have a ballot. It might
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  Speaker 1: just be a matter of them coming to an agreement.
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  Speaker 1: That's I suppose where that bit of confusion is.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 9: Some of those outstations only have a handful of families
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  Speaker 9: that live at them, but obviously some of the communities
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  Speaker 9: have thousands of people, and some of the town camps,
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  Speaker 9: as Bill explained, have a very transient population, So you
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  Speaker 9: have to find some way to navigate through that. Some
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  Speaker 9: of those small outstations, you probably could just almost straw
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  Speaker 9: pole the families that are there, and you would get
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  Speaker 9: a very strong indication of how they want to move forward.
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  Speaker 9: Places like town camps that have very transient populations, you
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  Speaker 9: have to find a more formal way through, and obviously
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  Speaker 9: the electoral role is the way that we'll do that.
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  Speaker 6: Look, if we have a look at that letter from
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  Speaker 6: Ken White back last year, he put faith in an
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  Speaker 6: Orthern Territory government at the sunsetting of that clause stronger
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  Speaker 6: futures to put in appropriate measures to protect territories. He
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  Speaker 6: was happy with the work. Today you need to carry
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  Speaker 6: the work on. What work did the Labor government do?
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  Speaker 6: They just went, oh, stronger futures and it's an opt
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  Speaker 6: in system. Now you guys will be all right. And
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  Speaker 6: we've seen the result of that in the communities and
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  Speaker 6: our rural and remote areas and of course our small
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  Speaker 6: towns outside of Darwen, and now seeing it in Darwin.
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  Speaker 3: That's the result of that bad disease.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there is no doubt that you know that that
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  Speaker 1: period of time since the Stronger Futures legislation ended has
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  Speaker 1: been incredibly damaging. I mean, all you need to do
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  Speaker 1: is read the report by Darrell Anderson to get a
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  Speaker 1: very clear understanding of just how damaging it's been to
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  Speaker 1: the community, to people of the Northern Territory. But it's
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  Speaker 1: also been incredibly damaging to the Northern Territory government at
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  Speaker 1: this point in time.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, I think the things that.
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  Speaker 1: I've found really frustrating, and I know that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of our listeners have found really frustrating, is that despite
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  Speaker 1: everything that's happened, despite the Prime Minister basically having to
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  Speaker 1: step in and you know say, I mean, we had
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  Speaker 1: a situation where the Chief Minister had done an interview
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  Speaker 1: with you, Matt two hours before she then went out
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  Speaker 1: with the Prime Minister while in Alice Springs, where it
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  Speaker 1: was basically a total backflip that you know, we won't
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  Speaker 1: be putting in, we won't be reversing this race based policy. Well,
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  Speaker 1: now here we are this week in Parliament and that's happened.
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  Speaker 1: It's mean incredibly damaging to the Chief Minister and incredibly
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  Speaker 1: damaging to the Northern Territory government.
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  Speaker 5: And there has been a real lack of.
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  Speaker 1: An apology or sort of you know, an acknowledgment that
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  Speaker 1: anybody got it wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Steadfast refusal I got anything wrong. I'd be interested to
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  Speaker 2: know Kirby's view, whether do you think do you do
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  Speaker 2: you admit now that you stuff this up with.
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  Speaker 9: The benefit of Hinze obviously what's happened in Alice Springs,
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  Speaker 9: No bod he enjoys to see that we'll enact this
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  Speaker 9: legislation as we have already, to make sure that any
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  Speaker 9: of the protections that we need in place of our
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  Speaker 9: government will stand pretty strong on the records with local
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  Speaker 9: decision making and the agreements that we've done with traditional
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  Speaker 9: owners in local communities to give them the say over
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  Speaker 9: their future, and we'll step through that process again with
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  Speaker 9: people in communities and in ten town camps. Obviously we
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  Speaker 9: needed to pull the trigger and put this alcohol legislation
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  Speaker 9: in place to make sure that people were protected down there.
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  Speaker 2: It's more than hindsight, though, isn't it. I mean there
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  Speaker 2: was foresight here. There was congress, there was a pint,
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  Speaker 2: there was amscent, there was just enterprise. There was Marion Scrimger.
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  Speaker 2: There was a host of people John Botha and Donna
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  Speaker 2: Rchi and others. I think the entire territory saying don't
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  Speaker 2: do this, and you didn't listen to them. Do you
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  Speaker 2: admit now that that was a mistake.
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  Speaker 9: Look, there was a range of things that were put in.
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  Speaker 9: Forty extra coppers that went down to Alice Springs in
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  Speaker 9: acknowledging that there may be an escalation in behavior down there. Obviously,
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  Speaker 9: nobody's enjoyed seeing what's happened down there. Will continue to
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  Speaker 9: work with the Alice Springs people. We've done a host
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  Speaker 9: of work just in the last few weeks. I know
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  Speaker 9: that we've got the in parts of cricket down there
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  Speaker 9: this weekend. I know that we've got a range of
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  Speaker 9: major events that will get through to start attracting people back.
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  Speaker 4: There and making sure that we show the Red Center
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  Speaker 4: in the right light.
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  Speaker 2: Has there been a direction or an agreement within cabinet
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  Speaker 2: or within carcus or whatever that, when asked about this
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  Speaker 2: issue that ministers are not to at any stage can
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  Speaker 2: see that they made the wrong decision here.
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  Speaker 4: No, there hasn't been. We haven't been instructed to say anything.
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  Speaker 2: Or you just don't think you did make the wrong decision.
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  Speaker 9: I've obviously admitted that nobody has enjoyed what's played out
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  Speaker 9: down there, and we're putting a range of measures in
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  Speaker 9: that we.
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  Speaker 4: Think will fix it up as quickly as possible, and.
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  Speaker 9: We'll continue to work forward and promote Alice Springs in
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  Speaker 9: the best light that we possibly can.
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  Speaker 5: I reckon.
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  Speaker 1: That's been the frustrating part for people who said, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like a lot of Territorians are sort of going.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one of the biggest things I was taught
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  Speaker 1: as a kid is that when you're stuff up, you know.
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  Speaker 5: You apologize.
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  Speaker 1: You're face up, you apologize, and that really helps in
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  Speaker 1: terms of building people's confidence back in. It didn't quite
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  Speaker 1: a good one, you know, and I just sort of
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  Speaker 1: can't help, but also think to myself, what about the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the Northern Territory at the moment. And obviously
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  Speaker 1: Alla Springs has had incredibly big issues and many communities
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  Speaker 1: around Central Australia as well, But even at the moment,
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  Speaker 1: you know, up here in the top end you've got
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  Speaker 1: people that are screaming out about the anti social behavior
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  Speaker 1: and the crime that's happening. And I wonder what it's
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  Speaker 1: going to take for the Northern Territory government to sort
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  Speaker 1: of go, oh, all right, hang on, we need to
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  Speaker 1: maybe take a bit further action with this.
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  Speaker 5: One as well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hoping we don't need the Prime Minister again to
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  Speaker 1: be the one that steps in and tells us we've got.
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  Speaker 8: To do something.
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  Speaker 6: Cotie, the Chief Minister has had a number of opportunities
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  Speaker 6: to stand up and apologize first of the people of
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  Speaker 6: Ballle Springs but to the rest of the territory. When
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  Speaker 6: she's now Springs with the Prime Minister, of the opportunity
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  Speaker 6: was there to say to the Ol Springs community, look, look,
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  Speaker 6: we made a mistake, we.
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  Speaker 3: Made an error.
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  Speaker 6: We're going to rectify that era where where you apologize
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  Speaker 6: for what's happened again in Parliament this week with the
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  Speaker 6: introduction of this legislation. The introduction of the speech from
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  Speaker 6: the Chief Minister was insulting to the people of Central Australia.
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  Speaker 6: I think insulting to a lot of territories because there
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  Speaker 6: was no admission of an error made. It was just
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  Speaker 6: now we're putting in these things to fix this thing.
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  Speaker 6: But the issue was of Labour's creation.
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  Speaker 5: Katie.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, a mistake was made, even though the government won't
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  Speaker 7: admit it, and yes you put things in place such
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  Speaker 7: that you try and rectify the situation. But what the
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  Speaker 7: government is going to struggle with is the financial cost
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  Speaker 7: not only to the community from the damage it's been done.
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  Speaker 7: But I know of three, but now being told, there's
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  Speaker 7: five major conferences that are not coming to l Springs.
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  Speaker 3: First, I thought another one yesterday keys.
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  Speaker 7: Yet first of all it was the motor cross which
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  Speaker 7: is coming to a pacer, which is great.
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  Speaker 8: Then the and mob Then there was a.
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  Speaker 7: Nursing lot and you you've got some so that's massive.
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  Speaker 8: That's millions that get put into that town and that's gone.
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  Speaker 6: There was one yesterday. I got advised by manager of
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  Speaker 6: a motel chain down here. You told me yesterday morning
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  Speaker 6: at breakfast at a huge conference in October which was
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  Speaker 6: taking up most of the large accommodation here is Nellie Springs,
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  Speaker 6: which was lasted as in the Double Tree is now
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  Speaker 6: canceled and they've gone. So that's hundreds of people hard
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  Speaker 6: to prove conference.
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  Speaker 1: It's a huge hit to the Northern Territory economy, to
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  Speaker 1: the Alla Springs economy, there is no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is, it's I'm not actually surprised, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'd spoken to Daniel Rochford towards the end of
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  Speaker 1: last year and he'd said, Katie, this is a national emergency,
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  Speaker 1: like we need this sorted.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: That was last year we had a situation where their
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  Speaker 1: chairman at the time had been assaulted in the car
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  Speaker 1: park at Coles. It was not a surprise, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think to anybody some of that behavior and some of
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  Speaker 1: what was going on.
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  Speaker 2: I went back through some of my old stuff yesterday
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  Speaker 2: and I've got a story I did last July with
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  Speaker 2: Robin Lanley standing out the front of Parliament saying this
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  Speaker 2: is a national crisis and the country needs to stand
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  Speaker 2: up and take notice. This is going to be an
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  Speaker 2: absolute disaster. That was. That was in late July last year,
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  Speaker 2: I think a week after the stronger futures had sunset it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously the issues in Alice Springs had been
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  Speaker 2: escalating for I think it probably the last three years,
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  Speaker 2: but in the last six months it's been terrible and terrible.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone could say that the government wasn't
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  Speaker 2: born that this was going to be the case.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that that's the frustrating partner. I guess curbs,
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  Speaker 1: you know this is where we go to you is
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  Speaker 1: that it?
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  Speaker 5: Then?
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  Speaker 1: I guess the frustrating thing on top of that is
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  Speaker 1: the fact that the government's sort of trying to you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing to see here.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: We made the changes once we you know, once we
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  Speaker 1: realized that there was an issue, and once we met
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  Speaker 1: with the Prime Minister or whatever, and once we got
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  Speaker 1: that funding agreement with the federal government. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's the community then
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  Speaker 1: that continues to suffer. It is the community then that
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  Speaker 1: is going to suffer as a result of those events
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  Speaker 1: not happening. It's local business, it's everybody, you know, whether
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  Speaker 1: you're a business person with just a regular person living
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  Speaker 1: in the town and it has a massive impact.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think there's ever been a nothing to see
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  Speaker 9: here attitude from us. We were obviously all down there
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  Speaker 9: last week and that was set up well well before
• 15:19
  Speaker 9: Christmas for us all to go down to Alice Springs
• 15:21
  Speaker 9: for a caucus meeting really early in the year, so
• 15:24
  Speaker 9: we spent quite a bit of time out. It's lovely
• 15:26
  Speaker 9: to see people out and about, you know, joggers pushbike
• 15:29
  Speaker 9: riders at that dusk time, but a real passion from
• 15:33
  Speaker 9: us to try and get people back into the mall,
• 15:35
  Speaker 9: to buddy to stay here, claim there, to make sure
• 15:37
  Speaker 9: that people can come out and activate the city again
• 15:41
  Speaker 9: with events, to make sure that that families feel comfortable
• 15:44
  Speaker 9: to come out. So looking forward, that's exactly what we'll
• 15:47
  Speaker 9: be concentrating on, to make sure that Partsma brings an
• 15:51
  Speaker 9: event back into the mall so that people feel safe
• 15:54
  Speaker 9: they can come down and see that event, to make
• 15:56
  Speaker 9: sure that events like the AFL still go ahead. So
• 15:59
  Speaker 9: from our perspective, we will be tipping as much into
• 16:02
  Speaker 9: it as we possibly can. Obviously, you know, the media
• 16:05
  Speaker 9: that we've had will make some people think about bringing
• 16:08
  Speaker 9: conferences or anything like that. Our message today issues you're
• 16:15
  Speaker 9: not denying. I'm not denying the issue, but I'm saying
• 16:18
  Speaker 9: it has had a lot of coverage, so people will
• 16:21
  Speaker 9: be making those decisions.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Where it's a good idea to stop things before they
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: get to that point where it reaches the national media.
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: We're talking about parch Parchmer hasn't been in the mall
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: for the last two years because of safety concerns, right,
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: so partser was pulled out of them all and moved
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: only out to the Desert Park in other areas. It
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: was a feature of Parchma to run it in the
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: mall and include the entire community. Two years ago that
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: ceased because of safety issues. So it's been going on
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: for a while. So I'd like to see Parchment back
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: in the mall again. The government are going to have
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: to do a hell of a lot of work to
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: make the place safe before we can do it, and
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: I hope they're able to do that.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Look, we're going to take a very short break.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: sixty the week that was, and there is a lot
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: to cover off this way in the studio this morning
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: for the week that was, We've got Bill Yan, Matt Cunningham.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Keesi Epuric and Paul Kirby.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Now we know that yesterday a motion passed through the
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Northern Territory Parliament for the Northern Territory Parliament to support
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the Voice.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: A lot of.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Discussion about this over the last sort of twenty four
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: hours or so, about whether this was a bit of
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: a political stunt.
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: Bit of a political stunt only only a bit, honey,
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: big bit.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: What I mean, was this a tacked Paul Kirby to
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you know, to really get off the agenda some of
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: the other pressing issues that people are concerned about and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: and you know, have everybody speaking about something else the Voice.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Absolutely not. It was the first sittings for the year.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: We know that.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Those listening everybody's laughing in the background quietly can continue
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: on place.
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: Curbs at first sittings in the Northern Territory. The ULARU
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: statement started in the Northern Territory. We're going to have
• 17:57
  Speaker 9: a vote to enshrine vote later on in the Commonwealth Parliament.
• 18:04
  Speaker 9: And absolutely it was the right time for us. South
• 18:07
  Speaker 9: Australia just rushed in and legislated it. So we weren't
• 18:10
  Speaker 9: doing that. We just bought a motion to the House.
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: There was also statement sport to the House to talk
• 18:15
  Speaker 9: about yea to lay out the year ahead. Support absolutely
• 18:20
  Speaker 9: the time of the year to bring forward something that
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: sets the direasion for the Rularoo Statement from the Heart. Sorry,
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: you guys support the ulary Statement from the Heart absolutely.
• 18:30
  Speaker 9: So how come when Yingyagiula moved an amendment for that
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: motion to be that was carried in the Parliament to
• 18:36
  Speaker 9: be support for the ulary statement of the Heart in full,
• 18:40
  Speaker 9: not just the Voice to Parliament, but the Macarata Commission
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: and the treaty, you guys voted against that amendment. What
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: we wanted to ensure yesterday that people had the opportunity
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: just to voice their support in general for the Voice
• 18:55
  Speaker 9: to move forward. You know that we just hang on,
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: hang on what we saw a number of you years ago,
• 19:00
  Speaker 9: many years ago when statehood was floated in the Northern Territory,
• 19:04
  Speaker 9: that it got confused and convoluted with a range of
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: other issues and didn't get up. Now, we didn't want
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: yesterday to be about that. We've spoken with mister Guyula
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: and he was comfortable. He voted with us on our
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: side of Parliament to ensure that the motion to acknowledge
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: the voice and to support that going forward, all of
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: those other debates have to happen. We're not saying that,
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: but we didn't want it yesterday to get this stand.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I don't understand though, because like chance, he made a
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: big speech about the Ullery statement from the Heart, and
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: he quoted from the Ullery statement from the Heart and
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: he said that if you don't you know, if you
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: haven't read the Ullery statement from the Heart, you know
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: it's a disgrace. And Duran Young quoted length from the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: statement from the Heart. But then when ingy Gyula said
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: well let's have this motion adopt the statement of the
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: heart into ulus statement, you guys knocked the back. I
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: don't understand because I don't think they.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Knew that's not correct.
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: As I said, speak about a lot of different things,
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: but bringing motions to the House to start to change
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: the amendment, sorry to the House to change the motion
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: that was on the floor is a different matter. We
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: didn't want to confuse or convolute. We just simply wanted
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: to acknowledge and take a step forward, take a step
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: forward together, and unfortunately the c ORB weren't.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Allowed to do that. That was that was it.
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: Was amazing to see everybody locked behind a gate because
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: they weren't allowed to vote. Is in that motion just
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: a basic motion to acknowledge that we've got a lot
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: of it.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I'll get to them in a minute.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I'm ready waiting.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: But is this not another example? I mean, we had
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the example with Stronger Futures with Marion Scrimser and just
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Senter Price saying this is a disasters that two Aboriginal
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: people in the Federal Parliament saying this is a disaster,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: don't do this, and you didn't listen to them. Again,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: here you've got an Aboriginal person from a remote community
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: who's in the Parliament saying I said, are you doing here?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: But please do this as well, and you don't listen
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to him either. I just kind of it's this sort
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: of stark contradiction between a campaigning for a voice to
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Parliament when we're racking up example after example of where voices,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Aboriginal voices in Parliament are saying to you, please do
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: this and you just ignore them.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: And not absolutely not ignored.
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: I will take Unenrich that he was spoken to repeatedly
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: yesterday in a really collaborative manner, and we will work
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: with mister Guyl so that on the general business days
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: when he has a capacity to bring forward a motion
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: to debate.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: He will absolutely be supported to do that. So I guess.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Then, taking that into account, is it a situation here
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: where the you know, that motion was actually being used
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: more so to try and force the CLP one for
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: them to actually, you know.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: Well tell us whether you do or do not support
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: the Voice.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: Katie Katy, I think I might have mentioned this before
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: on your show.
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: Is just in the price has or senator prices come
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: out and as part of the national parties know they
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: won't be supporting it. And I did hear her on
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: radio someone's radio and she said, yes, the CLP will
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: support me or agree with me. Now once she's not
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: in a position to do that, to tell the COLP
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: what they can or can't do. But of course, I mean,
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: of course this was a strategy by the government to
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: wedge the CLP because you've got her senator down South
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: saying all these things against the Voice for whatever reasons
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: that she puts up. And so the government was just
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: testing the COLP and the fact that they abstained I
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: abstain I'm not I've made it public I'm not supporting
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: the Voice because there's literally not enough information and I
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: think there's plenty of representation anyway. But it was in
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: my view, it was clearly a strategy to wedge the CLP.
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: And I think they handle it very well.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: Do you support the Voice, I've always said, and my
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: position has always been really clear, and it's from day one.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: I'll support the Voice, okay, when we can see what
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: it's actually going to do for the people out in
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: the bush.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm out talking to.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: People in my electorate and talking to people in the
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: bush and they don't understand and don't know what it is.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: And that's a problem. You're asking people who is going
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: to directly affect toat on something that they don't understand
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: and they don't know about. And I've always said the
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: Labor Party and the government need to get out and
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: talk to the people in the bush and explain to
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: them what it is, because they're asking me and I
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: don't really know what it is because I can't get
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: any information either. So I'll support anything that will make
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: the lives of the people in the bush better and
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: will certainly help the people in my electorate have a
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: better life and get better outcomes.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: So I'll always support that. When they can show me
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: that it'll do that, I'll be there with my hand
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: up saying I support it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: But I need that information and a lot of territorianes
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: need that information because it's just not there and what
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: happened in Parliament yes day, it's not up to our
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: local parliament here in Northern Territory to come out and
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: invote yes or know to support the voice. That's what
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: the referendums for the referendum is the mechanism for every
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: Australian and every territory and to say yes or no
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: on what they think about this issue.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: So why are three branches at least of the CLP
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: putting forward motions saying that the body should adopt the
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: position of know.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: I suppose that's a great thing about democracy at the
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: end of the day, because within our party everybody gets
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: to have their own voice, and tomorrow at our Central Council,
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: everyone will get up and be able to speak and
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: have their voice and explain their point of virtune and
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: the party position. You're going to say we should support
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: this and we should oppose it. I'm a delegate, so
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: I don't get to have a vote.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Well, you get to tell us here now and then
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: what what what? What? What do you think the party
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: should do? Should it support it or should I'll be up.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: There and I'll be speaking to the party about the
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: fours and against all right, I said, I'm going to
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: put out against.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: So it'll be up to the.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: Party as to how they vote on what they want
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: to do. And that's that's that's what democracy is, and
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: that's what our party is going to do. They will
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: make that decision tomorrow. There'll be some in our party
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: who support it and some people who don't. And I'm
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: sure there's possibly some people in the labor camp who
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: are the same way. I know there's people in the
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: bush who feel.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: The same way.
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: Some want to support it, some don't, some want to know,
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: and there's a lot that want to know what's going
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: to be in it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: So that'll happen to him.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I've had several people from within your party express concerns
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: for me in the past twenty four hours that if
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the CLP adopts a position officially opposing the Voice, then
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: it could mean big trouble, particularly for you. I think
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: you hold your seat by twenty two votes and Steve
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Edgerton holds his by seven that you and him. One
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: person put it to me, They said, Bill Yan and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Steve Edgerton can kiss their seats goodbye. If the CLP
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: votes know to the Voice. Are you concerned about that?
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: Oh, it'll make Elections are elections. You never know if
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: you're going to win, you never know if you're going
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: to lose. I'm not out on I said, I want
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: to win the next election. If our party goes down
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: the line of saying that they're not going to support
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: the boys, well then I'm going to have to get
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: out there and make sure that I'm explaining that to
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: the people in my elector, but also explaining to the
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: people in my electric what a seal P.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Government will do for them. If we're elected at the
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: next election.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: It will make my job difference, It'll make it.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: It's just that's politics.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: That's the way it is.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Party wing still possibly support the Voice, even if the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: party of the parliamentary wing support the Voice. Even if
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the party itself doesn't.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I can't speak for the wing. That's a discussion.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Will have to have part of the wing.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I'm part of the wing, but I'm only one part
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: of seven.
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: To suggest that you can't put your hand up and
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: acknowledge that this is the right direction to head because
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: you don't know each and every detail about the debate
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: that might happen along.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: That way is just a cop out bill.
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: You absolutely know that you can put your hand up
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: and support the direction that this is going to take
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: us in.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: To better the voice and the established.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: Canons for something that they don't understand or don't know
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: about is a fool.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: Part is sorry.
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: You like going to the bank and saying I want
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: to borrow some money, but not giving the bank any
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: details about what you know you just want to do
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: with money.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: But the interesting part.
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: In every in every week of our life as adult,
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: we have to step into things without knowing. It's a
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: part of change. A part of change is not understanding
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: and everybody fears it at different times in their lives.
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: But to not acknowledge that this is the direction that
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: we need to lead as the Northern Territory government, and
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: with the opposition being a part of that, you have
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: the opportunity yesterday to cement to say that yes, we're happy,
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: we want more information. You look at your federal leader
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: who's now saying years ago I was on the wrong
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: side of politics and I got that wrong.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: And I think you guys will find themselves in that.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Station to the Karma Langton Report, curbs have no Well, well,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: if you had, you would know that the proposal that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: is being put. And this is when whenever the Prime
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Ministers asked for detail on the voice, he points to
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the Karmel Langton Report. Right, So the Karma Langton Report
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: has a structure for a National Voice that has twenty
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: four people on it. The Northern Territory, which has seventy
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: four thousand Aboriginal resonents, according to the Karma Langton Report,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: gets three people on the National Voice. The Act which
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: has seven thousand and gets too. I've asked the Chief
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Minister and others about this and it just washes over them.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but surely here in the Northern Territory
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: we need to ask these sort of questions. Well, we
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: need to say, are Aboriginal people in remote parts of
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the Northern Territory, in Central Australia, in Northeast arnam Land,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: in the West daily region, are they going to get
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: adequate representation?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: That's my look and that's my biggest concern. I am
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: very supportive of the Voice. Like I do, I believe
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: it needs to happen, but I do believe that there
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: needs to be a lot further detail, and that is
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the kind of detail that I'm still seeking for me
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: as a resident of the Northern Territory, I think, how
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: can we ensure that places like the Northern Territory are
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: represented in the way that they should be. Thirty three
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: percent of our population is Indigenous. How do we make
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: sure that we in a location and a lot of
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Northern Australia, it could be argued, have got you know issues,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: We've got some of the you know, some of the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: poorest health conditions for territorians. How can we make sure
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: that those territorians are represented on that voice rather.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Than it being you know, people living in elite pass.
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: Questions.
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: And the other thing, Katie is if this kind of
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: representative body is to be established, that's another layer.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: We've got local government and shires representing people, including Aboriginal people.
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: You've got Northern Territory government representing Aboriginal people amongst other people.
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: Then you've got your commorf government. Then you've got your
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: land councils, you know, and now we're going to have
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: another layout.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Actually, because there's a regional Voice that sits under the
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: National LA So we've got to head I mean the
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Regional Voice. To be honest, they've tried to they've tried
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: to address issues with you know, making sure there is
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: that regional representation. So there's thirty five representatives on the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Regional Voice that sits below the National Voice, and we
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: get six of those. But I think if the Northern
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Territory government only has three of twenty four representatives on
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: that National Voice, and the Act gets to and Victoria
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: gets to and Tasmania gets to and South Australia gets three,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: we're getting a raw deal.
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: And really quite ironic because Tom Karma is from the
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: Northern Territory, so if we're getting a raw deal, then
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: he's not looking after where he's come from.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Well, look, we are going to have to take a
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: very short break.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: If you've just joined us, Paul Kirby, Keesy Eperic, Matt
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Cunningham and Bill Yan.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: Where shall we go next? Well, Projects Sea Dragon.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: We know that the plans to build one of the
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: world's largest prawn farms at a remote cattle station on
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the border between the Northern territory and wa dead in
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the water with prawn entity behind the projects calling in
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the administrators. No and look, I guess the concern here
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: is from a much broader perspective. It is Project Sea
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Dragon that we're talking about. But we also know that
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: there's been some issues with the sun Cable project and
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you know even a.
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: Lot of these things will come down to finance, probably
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: sun Cable as as well as his prawn proposed development,
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: Like we don't know. The government put infrastructure in and
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: I don't have any issue with that because infrastructure is
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: not going to be way that it will be. Then
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: it will be used somehow by people in the Turkey elship.
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: All the road to know that itself will be a
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: tourist attraction, you know, like no name down.
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: At Lisbeth Fall.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: It be a big tourist siding ground saying this is
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: the road to know where people.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: I thought people were happy that it was there.
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: No, that's not the road. On the board of w
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: A out to the stations, out to the stations.
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: Thanks people, That's what I'm saying. The infrastructure will be
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: appreciated by territories from now on. In I said previously
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: that perhaps you know giving a project major status is
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: good for a company because it looks good in their
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: annual reports. It looks good to the stock exchange if
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: you're looking to invest in that company, and it's not
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: done lightly and it's meant to expedite and try and
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: get the push.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Is fair enough.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: With an all territory government gives a project major status,
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: it's like the kiss of death.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: Well so far it looks like that, but I think
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: we need This was always an ambitious project, the same
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: as the sun Cable, hugely ambitious. I when we're talking
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: about the biggest prawn farm in the world, when there
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: are other countries that have similar projects to this, and
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: they've been up and running for a long time. So
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: I'd say fundamentally there's been some issue behind the scenes
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: to do with finance and investors, and I'd say there
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: was probably an issue with the transport links and getting
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: their product to market. It's one thing to grow something
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: or to dig something up, but you've got to get
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: that product to market. So I think there's probably a
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: whole lot of factors that contributed to its demise.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: Well, and no doubt there would be.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: But I guess you know, at the end of the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: day that along with the you know, the situation with
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: the sun Cable, the delays to the ship lift, and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: you know, it's getting increasingly difficult. I would think for
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government to reach the point of their
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: forty billion dollar economy by twenty thirty clubs, do you
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: still genuinely believe that you can get there?
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: We will continue to make audacious asks and put projects
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: on the table for the Northern Territory because that's what
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: we have to do. We'll continue to support our industries
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: and our agriculture and things that are here and are
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: the staples of the Northern Territory. One of the things
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: for the Prawn Farm was they were looking to do
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: the biggest ponds that have ever been done in Australia.
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: They've worked overseas in different places, but they just couldn't
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: get their investors across the line to understand that they
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: were going to work here. Sun Cable obviously a couple
• 33:24
  Speaker 9: of very very wealthy people having a disagreement about how
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: the project's going to progress. We understand that ship lift,
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: for example, to understand that massive company, the proprietor that
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: was going to and hopefully still will have an involvement
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: in that project, but a number of projects in the
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: state and overseas that get into trouble that mean that
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: that organization gets into trouble. Yes, these big projects do
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: have glimpse on the radar, but I'll remind people Impacts
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: was the biggest gas project ever to take place in
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: the Southern Hemisphere. Like, we can do these big projects,
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: so we'll continue.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: To work to be diversifying the economy. So that, I
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: think was the whole point that we didn't want to
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: be reliant on just one project to get to that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: forty billion dollar economy by twenty thirty.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: I mean we're seven years away. Now, how are we
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: going to get.
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: There from growing our ag from continuing to invest in
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: our cattle, our mining sector, or continue to grow over
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: the over the coming years. I think training, from my perspective,
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: is really important in making sure that people right across
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: the territory have better opportunities into better jobs as a
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: range of things that will continue to do as the
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: territory government to make sure we get these engaged projects.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: It like what is our what is our economy worth?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: I know that our budget only runs at about seven
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: or eight billion dollars at the moment, but as for
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: overall egenomic value through the territory, haven't got those figures.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: Do you see what I'm getting at?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Like you're sort of going, we're sort of saying, all right,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: we're going to build the economy by twenty thirty, so
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in seven years time to that forty billion dollars. But
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: we we don't, like by the sounds of it, we
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: don't have a huge amount of new projects coming out
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: of the ground. We've got the beat.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Looo to say they're going to yeah it most of
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: That's even the major investors pulled out of that one
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: that's and sold to somebody else.
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: Part of the issue with the beat loo I mean,
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: we know there's plenty of gas. There is the the
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: proponents is getting their offsets. You know, there's a problem
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: with getting carbon offsets. And that's the technical part of
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: the program or the legal part of the program. But
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: I mean there's a lot of gas, then they're going
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: to need the gas on the Eastern seaboard. But you know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: in fairness to the government, you know they're working hard
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: on the Middle Arm industrial development and I know TNNG
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: are looking to possibly have their processing plant there, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: you know there's there's other companies looking to have hydrogen
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: plants there, you know, for green hydrogen, which is the
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: good one, you know. So they're good projects. They're not
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: necessarily massive world class projects. But I mean, governments just
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: do this as a matter of course. I've just got
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: to keep working. And this is where the public servants
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: play a key role because they're the ones technical people
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: on the ground that are meant to be seeking these
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: these companies out because that middle arm industrial area, the
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: kind of companies that go there will be big companies,
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: you know, they're not just the little companies tgs.
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: But it needs to address that the red tape and
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: the beige tape. But I'm hearing more and more about
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: this beige tape everywhere ago and everybody got talked to
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: because the longer a project is held up in cost
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: money with red tape.
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: The windows of opportunity class and.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: There else, it's costing more and more to develop something
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: every day. I suppose the ship lift is a good example.
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: Back when I was first proposed all those years ago,
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: it was worth x me and but of course steel
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: and everything else has gone up, so it's now double
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: or tripled in price. It may come to a point
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: where it might be unviable the cost for us. It'd
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: be really sad to see, Katie.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: The other thing that's that's on the horizon and Minister
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: for Resources that event Paul would be aware of this
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: is the Sunrise gas project in the team will see that's.
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: Starting to come back up.
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: You know, even though you know our federal government sort
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: of poo who about gas and gas is not necessarily good.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: These team are people. They're saying, bring it to us,
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: will elements, So we can't let that opportunity go.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Please don't mistake my questioning for talking the territory down.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that in any way. Potential potential there,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: But what I want is for us to reach our potential.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: And I think that you can throw these figures around,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: like you know, forty billion dollars by twenty thirty, but
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: there's got to actually be some KPIs and there's got
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to actually be.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Some how did they get for demonstration? Well that's exactly right.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Now. We've got these major projects that I mean to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: get us there and then they're falling for.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, I tell you what.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what's on the immediate horizon that I
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: think is probably going to have more impact than any
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: of these projects is defense, because the Strategic Review of
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Defense is out early next month, and every indication is
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: that they're going to say there's no point having troops
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: based in Adelaide fighting penguins when the action's on up here.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Well, it certainly is.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah here, the penguins will be happy about that.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Haven't done anything to anybody.
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: Well, so you have to think the other thing, Katie.
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, we've got the US Marines that come through
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: the turtory on a rotational basis. Then I was talking
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: to someone recently and he said, look, there's going to
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: come a stage when the Americans are wanted going to
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: build permanent accommodation for these people. I don't want them
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: in the barracks or wherever. Yeah, so that's housing. Basically,
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: they did it in Guam, and they do it elsewhere
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: where they have American soldiers based for whatever reason. So
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: that's lethal deepwater port. You know, my mother's got a
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: hundred acopadic. You know, we could chop it up and
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: put a few marines.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Ready to subdivide him.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: About the chickening, help the chocks when the snakes come Marines.
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: But so there's I agree with Matt, there's huge scope
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: in defense spending.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: short break before we do though. Jerry would send a
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: message and said perhaps the Parliament should go down to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Alice Springs like it used to. This would show some
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: faiths and support for the Alla Springs community.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: That one there from Jerry. What do you reckon curse?
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, we've absolutely talked about it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: I think some of the security protocols around Parliament are
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: a lot different now to what they used to be
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: many years ago.
• 38:57
  Speaker 10: So as a result of the crime, this was many
• 39:03
  Speaker 10: in the in the Henda Claire Martin days. There was
• 39:06
  Speaker 10: they had it at the convention center there and there
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: was there was a massive it was a meeting.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: If I remember correctly.
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: I absolutely talked about it in twenty sixteen when we
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: first came in.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: But I don't think we're able to get it off
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: the ground.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: We are going to take a very short break before
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: we wrap up this morning. Keys here, I know that
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I believe you moved emotion or did something in Parliament
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: to review the Eyekak wanting to see.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: A review of the Ekak. I thought that the government
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: was already doing that.
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: They are, Katie. They had mister Shanahan, Greg Shanahana are
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: past seeing the public servant do the review. We never
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: saw theview report, but some of what he recommended or
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: didn't has gone into a discussion paper and people can
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: comment on that, which they've done, which just last year.
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: And yes, the government has said there'll be an exposure draft,
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: but they.
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: Haven't set a timetable. Now, that was part of it,
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: you know, like what's happening the government. The Act does
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: need reviewing.
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: It's been in for three or four years, and everyone
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: agrees there's components that really need to be changed.
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: There's some real serious flaws in there.
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: And that's understandable with a new piece of legislation, because
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: this legislation was brand new. And so after three years, yep,
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: all the flaws have been shown to exist and they've
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: got to be changed or got rid of. But the
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: other component was in regards to how the whistleblower concept
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: works or doesn't work, because I said in my speech
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: that yes, it's fine to say whistleblowers are protected, but
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: a whistleblower comes forward, and I have gone in for
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: a support person who was a whistleblower because the others
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: in that area it was education. I'll say, you're too
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: scared to come forward. So my person gave all the
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: information to this key person in the department.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: On the education department, in.
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: The education department that people could contact. No one has
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: contacted those persons. The problem is still there. It involves
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: misuse of public funds in one of one of our
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: schools in the top end. And no one contacted these
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: people privately. So why would there be any fact that
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: man my whistle blow we'll call him my whistleblower. That
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: person then got hounded by the department, and that person's
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: not a public servant, but was in a role of
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: being gaugement with.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: There has to be safeguards for people.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: And a fellow, another fellow I've tried to help, is
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: a whistleblower from a few years back, and he's still
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: got issues and he was he put stuff forward into
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: his departments and he just got hounded and moved out.
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: Sacked and board.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: It's interesting, that's why would.
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: A public servant come forward when there's a serious problem
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: in the department and it's usually someone higher up the chain.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: Whatever the problem is, and yes, I get it that
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: the new commissioner had to get rid of a lot
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: of stuff because it was probably just not relevant. And
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: part of the stuff he briefed me on is he'd
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: send a case back to the department to deal with
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: but that's not happening. Where's the order to say, so
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: this person, you can department sorted out, so then they're
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: going to identify the whistle blower and then and that
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: cannot happen. So there's there's a disconnect. So that was
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: part of my MPI as well. Member for Blaine also
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: raised issues in regards to to do with housing and
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: DIPPLE and issues that are problems going on there. I mean,
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: no one wants to see any improper conduct misuse of
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: public funds. But you know, the previous i CAQ hounded
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: the turf club over twelve million dollars grant by the government,
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: and yet this issue of misuse of public funds in
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: regards to the education system and people who've been put
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: into jobs not on merit is well over twelve million
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: dollars that could be at risk.
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: So that's the disconnect. I think concern and I.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Think you probably raised this last night, but I think
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the bigger concern that with the I CACK and hats
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: off to the new commissioner who's clearly been trying to
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: store a reputation of that office. But how how is
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: a whistleblower going to feel confident coming forward to the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I CACK when there were whistleblowers within the I CACK
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: blowing the whistle on they believe was in proper conduct
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: within the I CACK and the IKACK commissioner. That gets
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: up under parliamentary privilege, privilege and tigers.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Interesting.
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: A question, Katie is why is the government sitting on this?
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: You can't tell me that that was.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Going to be made public. I thought we'd ask that question.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: The government mans to actually dig in properly to what
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: has happened within its IICK.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: It doesn't.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: It wants to say it was one it was one
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: bad egg. You know, he's gone. The new guys in
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: everything's fine.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: But I mean we've got to restore some confidence in
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: IC and that's that's that's the public of lost confidence
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: in IKK. Sadly with the old commissioner and some of
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: those things that happened to a number of people. Again,
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: hats off to the new ik he's doing a great job,
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: but he's dealing with the stigma and the government needs
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: to step up and somehow restore confidence in the ik
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: and actually have them work well.
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: I think it's bigger than that.
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: There's that that's a very important part bill, but I
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: think there's a bigger issue. There are some whistle blowers
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: out there I know of in regards to potential information
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: about the whole Zach role thing, that are too scared
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: to come.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: But I know I do know that the IKAK actually
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: had a whistleblowers evening last night where we could call
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: in for two hours basically to get information across to
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: the IYICK. And it does seem as though he's got
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: a number of different things that he's doing to restore
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: some of that confidence.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: We're just about out of time, but not all whistleblowers
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: are honest. I have to admit that the poor Ikack
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: fellow has to sort through through that.
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: The complexity in a place as small as the territory
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: is everybody knows that each other, so it is really
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: really complex.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to turn this into.
• 44:18
  Speaker 9: A political fight about you know, where and when and
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: why the ICACK started, but obviously one of the things
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: that you don't want is for ministers continually to reach
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: in and change this and change that.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Like they have to be independent.
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: Means that when changes need to be made, needs to
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: be structured and through the right process. But we absolutely
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: have to protect people because it is a small connection,
• 44:36
  Speaker 9: that's right.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: We can't have it being changed willy nilly because people
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: feel as though, you know, the IK's got too much power,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: not enough power.
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: Whatever.
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: Where's the draft bill Government?
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Yep, good question. We are going to have to leave
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: it there.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Bill Yan, the Member of Amagira and visiting us from
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Central Australia.
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: Great to be here for the first time in two
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: thy and twenty three.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Absolutely good to have you on the show. Matt Cunningham
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: from Sky News, thank you.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Sorry for hugging the microphone.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: No worries at all, makes my morning a lot easier
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: if you'd thank you. And Paul Kirby, the Member for
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Port Tarwin and to various portfolio thanks everyone.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Travel safe on the way home.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Bill.
• 45:11
  Speaker 9: Just a reminder for people chugwa tomorrow down at the
• 45:14
  Speaker 9: netball club.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Get down there.
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: Banks have got a footy club day on tomorrow as
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: well a breast cancer awareness fundraiser, so you get down
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: there in your pink gear. More importantly, my daughter's birthday,
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: Happy birthday, And really importantly Sunday is the bombing of
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: Darwin commemorations bedroom ministers In here myself and Gosling will
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: be hitting them up for better deals for territories and
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: veterans good stuff,