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Beyond The Bachelor: Clay Walker · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is all most Famous Beyond the Bachelor with Susie Evans.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, and welcome back to Beyond the Bachelor. This
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  Speaker 2: is your host, Susie Evans. Today I'm joined by Clay Walker,
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  Speaker 2: who was on Ben Flanni's season of the Bachelor. I
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  Speaker 2: personally did not watch this episode, so I'm really excited
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  Speaker 2: because rumor has it that on the episode, Clay serenades
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  Speaker 2: one couple and Emily's competitive strategy causes a firestorm. So
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get the scoop today on this episode.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going into it a little blind because I have
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  Speaker 2: not seen that episode, but I'm really excited to learn
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  Speaker 2: all the behind the scenes details and everything that he
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  Speaker 2: can share with us.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Susie, how you doing this morning?
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  Speaker 2: Hi?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good. How are you great?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Rumor has it when you performed on the show, it
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  Speaker 2: kind of stirred up a bit of drama or possibly
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  Speaker 2: there was some dramatics happening in that house around that time.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have any Do you have any memories of
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  Speaker 2: this or behind the scenes infant that you want to
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  Speaker 2: start to show off with and tell us.
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  Speaker 1: Me in my own house, Are there house.
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  Speaker 3: No, no.
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  Speaker 2: In the Bachelor House, well, I.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I I just remember the show being really
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  Speaker 1: really well done and that uh, you know, the girl
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  Speaker 1: who was on the show was a was a fan
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  Speaker 1: of mine and so the Bachelor wanting to surprise her,
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  Speaker 1: and it did in a great way. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how they kept it a surprise, you know, that long,
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  Speaker 1: but it's hard to keep surprises. But I I can
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  Speaker 1: remember the it was in Colorado. It's been it's been
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  Speaker 1: a minute, but I think the whole the whole group
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  Speaker 1: was very excited, you know, for the performance, and the
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  Speaker 1: song was big at the time, and so she won't
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  Speaker 1: be longly long and but I I I want to
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  Speaker 1: say that her favorite song was maybe Hypnotize the Moon.
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  Speaker 1: That may have been it, but like I said, it's
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  Speaker 1: been a while, so I maybe get that wrong. But
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  Speaker 1: both of them were over the top and super hospitable
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  Speaker 1: and super excited. And I thought that the crew and
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  Speaker 1: the production team were quite amazing, you know. And a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, those things can be so
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  Speaker 1: cheesy or just you know, just feel weird, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but that felt felt right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's so cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to be so unique to be able to
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  Speaker 2: showcase your music on a reality show. I'm sure it's
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  Speaker 2: very different from what you normally experience whether you're touring
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  Speaker 2: or recording music. How did this opportunity come about and
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  Speaker 2: what was your initial reaction when you either received the
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  Speaker 2: call er got the information that you were going to
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  Speaker 2: be doing a performance on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Well, two things happened kind of simultaneously. There was another
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  Speaker 1: request for me to play uh the Hurst wedding, which
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  Speaker 1: was quite exciting in itself, And so there was this
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  Speaker 1: I guess you have these cycles, you know, where either
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of popular or there's a buzz or something
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  Speaker 1: you know is going on for you, and and so
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  Speaker 1: there are media requests or requests like that, and and
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  Speaker 1: uh uh, you know, everyone knows about The Bachelor NAVI
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  Speaker 1: that that that show has been around, and it's been
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  Speaker 1: very popular for good reason, because everyone's curious, you know
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  Speaker 1: about you know, what are the inside you know, actions
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  Speaker 1: and thoughts and private actions of of of individuals, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's some male or female. And so there are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of intriguing moments, you know, that were coming out
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  Speaker 1: in these in these series of shows like that, and
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  Speaker 1: and of course I was intrigued and then when they
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  Speaker 1: made their request, I was like, this is really cool
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  Speaker 1: because as it actually signals you know that there's a popularity,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, you're with a popular group, and so
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  Speaker 1: it was flattering and I was excited to go do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Did anything unexpected come from the opportunity, like, did other
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  Speaker 2: collaborations happen, or just anything that sparked a new path
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  Speaker 2: in your career based on being on the show.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one thing generally does build off of another.
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  Speaker 1: For example, we just we just were at the Academy
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  Speaker 1: Country Music Coorts with UH with Randy Travis and UH.
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  Speaker 1: It was you know, the AP picked it up, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of subsequent media excitement
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  Speaker 1: around us since it's still going. But in that particular case,
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember because, like I said, it's been been
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  Speaker 1: some years since we've done that. I don't even remember
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  Speaker 1: how exactly do you know what year it was that
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  Speaker 1: we actually did that? There you go, So I can't remember,
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  Speaker 1: you know exactly what followed that. I just I remember
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of people saw it, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: typically you know, I mean I've had the same phone
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  Speaker 1: number for gosh, twenty something years, and so you know
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  Speaker 1: that my phone was blowing up like crazy. And then
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I sang at the World Series, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for baseball, you know, I got I got texts blowing up.
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  Speaker 1: The other night when I was on the A Sam Awards,
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  Speaker 1: there were people you know, blowing my phone up, So
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  Speaker 1: it had that same effect. You know, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: what it all happened because of it, but it's always
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  Speaker 1: good to get good media, you know, especially when you
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  Speaker 1: don't watch it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's too funny. I think I'm curious
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  Speaker 3: if being on.
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  Speaker 2: The show, even for the segment, just the segment that
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  Speaker 2: you were on, did it influenced your love life at all?
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  Speaker 2: Were you married at the time when you were on
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  Speaker 2: the show. Did it re spark the romance in your life?
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  Speaker 2: What what did that look like.
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  Speaker 1: So my wife is thirteen years younger than I am,
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  Speaker 1: and she was a huge fan on the Bachelor. So
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  Speaker 1: when when I told her about you know, getting the invitation,
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  Speaker 1: of course, she was over the top. You know, all
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  Speaker 1: of her friends everyone talking about it, and and and
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  Speaker 1: you know, guys, I think, you know, like me, it's
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  Speaker 1: like those kind of shows, you know, would never admit
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  Speaker 1: to liking any piece of it at all. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like and honestly, I don't I don't watch TV,
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  Speaker 1: you know, other than sports. It was like for ESPN
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  Speaker 1: and so so, but I knew that it was a
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  Speaker 1: big deal to my wife, and so I absolutely was
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  Speaker 1: excited about the opportunity. But yes, her friend group, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they all lived in New York for I think three
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  Speaker 1: or four years, and they watched Sex in the City
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  Speaker 1: every week, you know, and all the all the stuff
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  Speaker 1: that guys would call trash, you know. And uh, but
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  Speaker 1: but it's a it's a fun indulgence, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: so she was super excited. Anything that gets her excited
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  Speaker 1: to come and gets me excited to and I and
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  Speaker 1: you know, we've always we've always had a great love life.
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  Speaker 1: So so it's uh, did it enhance it any Uh,
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  Speaker 1: probably added some excitement to our life. Yes, But but
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  Speaker 1: she's she's a yeah, I think I'll leave that answer alone.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome. I can't I can't imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, your significant other gets a call to perform on
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  Speaker 2: one of your favorite TV shows.
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  Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: I remember. One of her most exciting moments is she
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  Speaker 1: had the worst crush on Luke Perry and we were
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  Speaker 1: on an airplane one time and he was he was
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  Speaker 1: close bias and we walked through and uh, he recognized
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  Speaker 1: me and shook my hand as we walked on the plane,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought my wife was going to fall down,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And then there was another time that that
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  Speaker 1: we were at the Kentucky Derby and Tom Brady was
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  Speaker 1: at our table at the derby, you know, at the
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  Speaker 1: actual race. So we were hanging out for you know,
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  Speaker 1: four or five hours, and I think she was just like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it is kind of overwhelming, you know. Whenever
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  Speaker 1: you are you get around some folks like that, and
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  Speaker 1: it's not all the time. You know, we have friends
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  Speaker 1: that are that are celebrities and and that's cool. But
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  Speaker 1: when you get around somebody that that you grew up loving,
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  Speaker 1: you know, are idolized any kind of way, it is
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  Speaker 1: a it is a shock, you know, and especially when
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  Speaker 1: they're when they're nice, it really just goes over and
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  Speaker 1: just magnifies the way you always felt about them, you know.
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  Speaker 3: That's so nice.
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  Speaker 2: I've found since moving to LA that there's people that
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  Speaker 2: I've either followed or seen or consumed their content on
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  Speaker 2: social media, and I'll see them places and I have
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  Speaker 2: this weird feeling of feeling like I know that person
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  Speaker 2: and almost wanting to go up them to them as
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  Speaker 2: a friend, but the reality is that person actually doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know me, like it's only a one way street. And
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  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that juxtaposition with being in
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  Speaker 2: LA and stuff like that, it's a really cool thing.
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  Speaker 2: But you're like, oh, this is so weird. I know
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  Speaker 2: so much about you, but you don't know anything about me.
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  Speaker 2: But it's kind of fun when you get to have
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  Speaker 2: those experiences. Where are you from, Susie, I'm from Virginia. Yeah, yep,
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  Speaker 2: from Virginia. Moved to LA about a year.
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  Speaker 1: Ago, from one coast to the other the side.
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  Speaker 2: I've dabbled in reality television myself, but I'm curious. I
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  Speaker 2: think that the entertainment industry often blurs lines between reality
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  Speaker 2: and perception. How do you maintain that authenticity being an artist,
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  Speaker 2: especially after going on, you know, a reality show, even
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  Speaker 2: for a short stint, but also just living a more
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  Speaker 2: public lifestyle. I'm sure you've experienced either headlines or articles
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  Speaker 2: and things like that. How do you stay true to
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  Speaker 2: yourself and live an authentic life?
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  Speaker 1: I think I recognized a long time ago that I
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  Speaker 1: have a core group of fans that and fans really
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  Speaker 1: pick up on the little nuances of an artist. When
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  Speaker 1: they're real fans, they watch just about everything, they consume
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  Speaker 1: just about everything. When you ask about authenticity, I think
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  Speaker 1: I've always been that way and that is what has
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  Speaker 1: endeared the fans to me. But my folks family, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't tolerate rude behavior that was growing up.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you head to your part and and and
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  Speaker 1: so I think that shows and who I am and
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  Speaker 1: who I've always been.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I can say from personal experience and having friends that
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  Speaker 2: have more public lives, I feel like it can be
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  Speaker 2: so like emotionally damaging when you experience a hardship and
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  Speaker 2: with all the public watching it's it's so much more
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  Speaker 2: complicated than I feel like anybody ever assumes or knows.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of times you want to defend yourself
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  Speaker 2: or you want to say, hey, there's more to this
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  Speaker 2: than what you guys are discussing online or what you
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  Speaker 2: guys may have seen or heard. But sometimes the best
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  Speaker 2: thing to do is just to, you know, stay in
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  Speaker 2: your lane and stay authentic to yourself and know that
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  Speaker 2: if you've you know, carried yourself and conducted yourself in
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  Speaker 2: a way that you're.
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  Speaker 3: You know, proud of, then that's really all you can do.
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  Speaker 2: And it's it sounds like your fan base has seen
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  Speaker 2: that over the years and really respected that.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're spot on with that. And and I
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  Speaker 1: think it's it's harder and harder, you know, for people
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  Speaker 1: to have any kind of privacy and and but that's
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  Speaker 1: that's part of the game. I mean, that's that's where
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  Speaker 1: we are. And that's okay. I mean, if you if
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  Speaker 1: you want to be in public life, then you've got
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  Speaker 1: to be ready for the scrutiny. You've got to be
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  Speaker 1: ready for people calling you out for your mistakes. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's good. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't I don't see the bad in that. Uh. I
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  Speaker 1: do love the Internet from the standpoint that we are.
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  Speaker 1: We're able to see you know, raw talent out there
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  Speaker 1: way more readily. And it's probably always been there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we just we just haven't had the platforms. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I love all the social media platforms and I love
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  Speaker 1: what they can do for people, you know, exposing greatness,
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  Speaker 1: and you know that that's that's good for consumers, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to not just have one place they can go find
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  Speaker 1: something that they relate to, you know, or identify with.
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  Speaker 1: And and I, for one, you know, I've seen a
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  Speaker 1: lot of talent on the internet and just go, wow, man,
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  Speaker 1: this is it's just stacked up, you know. And then
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  Speaker 1: it's fun too, and it's it's immediate of course, like
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  Speaker 1: anything else, like conversations in a crowd, you know, things
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  Speaker 1: can think can get bad. You know, there can be
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  Speaker 1: bad content, but you got to know how to get
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  Speaker 1: through that. But for the most part, you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: all given a certain amount of time to live and
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  Speaker 1: and and a certain era to live in. And it's
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think the question is what are you
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  Speaker 1: going to do with it? What are you going to
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  Speaker 1: do with the era that you're that you're living in.
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  Speaker 1: That's your era, you know, and and what are you
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  Speaker 1: going to do with that a little bit of time
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  Speaker 1: you have? And that's up to you as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I'm curious.
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  Speaker 2: When you see those people online that are super talented
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  Speaker 2: and you're just blown away and you're like, dang, this
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  Speaker 2: is some person who just had a camera or somebody
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  Speaker 2: who was recording them. What advice would you give to
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  Speaker 2: somebody like that if they're wanting to have a career
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  Speaker 2: in the music industry.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like some being from a.
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  Speaker 2: Small town of small area, this whole world is wild
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  Speaker 2: to me and I didn't even know what was out
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  Speaker 2: there until I was out here, is how I feel sometimes,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm curious, what would you say to somebody who's
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  Speaker 2: trying to break into the music industry who has that
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  Speaker 2: raw talent but they just don't know what to do
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  Speaker 2: or where to be.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would say that any industry doesn't matter of it,
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  Speaker 1: but especially if it's in entertainment, and that includes TV, movies,
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  Speaker 1: record labels, or you know, music. Most people had this
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  Speaker 1: idea that once they get discovered, you know, by one
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  Speaker 1: of these somebody in that industry, that things are going
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  Speaker 1: to be better. You know, that's the that's the instant thought.
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  Speaker 1: But what they need to be aware of is, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, if someone spots you and thinks you have talent,
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  Speaker 1: then that's a good thing. It's the start of a conversation.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just like this filter or funnel. Don't be
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  Speaker 1: ready to just sign up with that person. The first
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  Speaker 1: person that saw you is like high school, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you're you're in ninth grade, you're a freshman. You're
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  Speaker 1: walking down the hallway and a guy notices you, and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're gonna be with that guy
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  Speaker 1: four years. And then you know, your senior year, you're going,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know, Michael was the guy. That's
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  Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, I've always been in love with him,
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  Speaker 1: but I went with David, you know, at a moment,
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  Speaker 1: and the world is just like that. It's just like
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  Speaker 1: high school, you know, and and there's bad principles and
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  Speaker 1: good principles. You know, there's bad teachers and good teachers,
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  Speaker 1: and you really have to take your time with it,
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  Speaker 1: even though you're so excited that someone noticed you. If
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  Speaker 1: you don't wait, you're most likely going to miss the
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  Speaker 1: bigger or the biggest opportunity that could happen for you.
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  Speaker 1: And waiting is the hardest thing in everything, Waiting Waiting
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  Speaker 1: to you know, to give yourself away, waiting to for
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  Speaker 1: a boyfriend the right one. Waiting it is seriously the
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  Speaker 1: hardest thing on earth to do. And so I would say,
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  Speaker 1: if you're good enough to be spotted by one person
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  Speaker 1: in an industry, you're good enough to be spotted by
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  Speaker 1: the rest of them because they're looking to and you should.
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  Speaker 1: You should not just jump on the first opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: hit you.
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  Speaker 3: That's good.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you see for yourself professionally and personally
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  Speaker 2: over the next few years?
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  Speaker 3: What is like the five year vision and plan?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know all those things I just said, I
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  Speaker 1: made every mistake that I just told you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: every single one of them. I made it even in
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  Speaker 1: high school. So so you know, it's it's It's one
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  Speaker 1: thing to be able to have the wisdom to look
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  Speaker 1: back and say it, but I have it from the experience.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if one person hears me about it, break
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  Speaker 1: you know what am I doing from here forward is
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  Speaker 1: now that I've been in this industry for you know,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of decades, I've got I've got a team
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  Speaker 1: of people. And this is the most important thing I
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  Speaker 1: could say to anybody wanting to get in the entertainment business.
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  Speaker 1: You cannot will, not, never succeed on your own. It
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  Speaker 1: is the team that surrounds you. And I've got that team. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I've got an unbelievable manager. And when I say unbelievable,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about as a person it's somebody
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  Speaker 1: who understands the inner workings of the industry and knows
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  Speaker 1: how to help guide your career through those gates. And
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  Speaker 1: there it's gated. You know, this is a gated community
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  Speaker 1: and in every possible way. And when you see Landy
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  Speaker 1: Wilson when an Entertainer of the Year, man she is
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  Speaker 1: a phenomenal talent. I mean I was blown away by her.
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  Speaker 1: Does she deserve it? Would she have gotten it if
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  Speaker 1: she didn't have great management or a great label? Not
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  Speaker 1: a chance, not one chance. It's who's in there fighting
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  Speaker 1: for you. You know, I've got a great publicist in
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  Speaker 1: Zach Farnham, and you know that's why I'm on this
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  Speaker 1: interview with you today. And so it is it's a team,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not just anybody. It's you've got to wait,
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  Speaker 1: seek out and know who can get stuff done and
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  Speaker 1: they have a track record, you know, as the Bible says,
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  Speaker 1: you'll know them by their fruits. The people in the business,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: you'll know them by what they've done. And so that's
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: that's that's my advice to people. And I'm taking it
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: myself now, you know. So I think there's a lot
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: of career left for me. I don't know exactly what
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: it tells, but but I think there's some things that
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I have never done that are that are coming up.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I can't say exactly what they are because it's kind
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: of a secret, but there are some big things coming
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that that people will see and go good, gracious. I
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: didn't expect that, you know, And that's that's always good
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to surprise people if it's if it's a positive.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so awesome.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: When you were saying that early reminded me when I
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: was pursuing something several years ago. Oh, I kind of
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: adopted this phrase, and it was if you want to
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: go fast, you go alone, but if you want to
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: go far, you go together.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: And I always held on to that because.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: It did feel like being patient and waiting and having
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: a great team was It was a It was a
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: hard thing to do because you're collecting different people with
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: different skill sets and all these different things. But if
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: you just want to do it yourself, yeah it might
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: it might happen quicker, but you might not have as
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: much longevity. And it was it rains so true and
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: it stayed true. But just hearing you say that, I
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, I need to think back on that
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: phrase more often because it got me through some stuff
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: a few years ago when I was pursuing some passions.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Well, I can tell that your sincerity is real, and
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you know, stay true. You know, remember you know how
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you grew up, remember your household, no matter, no matter
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: if there were rough time, are not and hopefully there
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: were some rough times, because those are the things that
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: help you through life. And you know, it's not the
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: great times that you learned from, it's just the hard times.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: And you know, I would say that la is probably
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the hardest place in the world to really be. I've
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: been there a few times and there are very few,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: uh sincere people there. You know, New York is so
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: much different. I mean, you know, to me, New York
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: was I was so people go, you like New York City?
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I go, I love New York City. I'll tell you why.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: People will soon er tell you to kiss off than
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: than than to help you there. And you know, they
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: don't hold a door for anybody to walk through. I mean,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: they's just real, I the mean, and nobody is trying
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to tell you how great you are, how much they
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: want to help you, and just be lying to you. Know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: so anyway that that was my perspective of the differences
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: between the big apple and and the l A. You're
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: out there in a din of lines. It's a big arable.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Well, before we wrap, I wanted to ask you a
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: few more Bachelor related questions, since I'm sure that people
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: are curious after filming the show. Did you have anybody
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: come up to you and recognize you specifically from the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: show and have did you have like a fun fan
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: encounter that you maybe wouldn't have had if you hadn't
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: performed on the show.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I did, and that is that is something that is
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: surprising to me, and that that's how you know that
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you should have done it. You know, I didn't even
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I ran into probably for at least three or four weeks.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I would run into people at a restaurant or whatever,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: and they say, you were on a Bachelor and they're
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: not even a country fan. But you know, I noticed
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the same thing when I started TikTok. You know, I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: was one of the first country artists that started TikTok.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And and there's this. I was in Beaumont, Texas, you
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: know where I was, where I was raised, and I
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: went in this restaurant and h and this these girls
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: walked up to me and they said, you your clear
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: walker and I go, yeah, yeah, and I said and
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: they go, well, why are you here? And I go,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: what do you mean? Why am I here? You know?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: And they go where are you from? I go, I'm
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: from here. I mean that I'm from the same hometown
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: that They were not country fans. So I realized that
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: you know that that that these of these platforms, especially
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: like The Bachelor and the Back is what started that
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: for me. You know, they need to ask the first
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: time I notice anything like that. But Tess a great question,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and it's something that I had actually forgotten about, but
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: it happened in restaurants, you know that I would walk
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: into people go you're on the Bachelor and be like, yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: That is so funny.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like we've done a few of these interviews
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: now and it sounds like that's a common thing where
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: people have is they're a niche of music that they're
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: in and they have a really strong fan base, and
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: they're like, I'm still shocked by how far spread the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Bachelor nache and fan base goes. And I think it's
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: it's so cool because it brings people together. I'm curious
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: so Ben ended up picking Courtney Robertson on the show,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't. I'm not sure if you watched the
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: season back or not, but did you have any inklings
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: about him picking her?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: No, it was it was kind of a surprise. Okay,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: but but but but no, I didn't have any inklings
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: about it. You know, those those shows I think are
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: first of all, there needs to be some kind of
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: shock factor, you know, in those shows, and and that's
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: what keeps them interesting. You know, you can't believe someone cheated,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you know, or snuck out they weren't supposed to and
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: things like that, and that's what keeps us watching because
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I think everyone has a certain amount of wickedness in them,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: whether admit it or not yet. And so it's like
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: when it gets exposed, you know, it's like, oh my gosh,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you know. But not that anything was wicked about Bachelor,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that it's you know, I'm intrigued
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: by I mean, I'm more intrigued by how curious people
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: are and how many people watch it. It's just it's insane.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, most most shows do not cannot last you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: four or five seasons. I think eight seems to be
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: a magic number for the big ones. And the fact
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that this has been going for twenty something seasons is
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's miraculous. You know. So they're doing
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: something right there. You know, the format, the ingredients, the
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I guess, it's a lot of the raw reality is
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: what it was what attracts people so much, and you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: kudos to them, they've done great job.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: So lastly, we kind of touched on this earlier, but
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: my last question was what advice would you offer to
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: your younger self as an aspiring musician finding yourself in
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: situations like navigating fame, relationships and the entertainment industry.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Most of my advice to my younger self would be
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: what I laid out earlier, you know, about waiting and
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: being patient, because when it says good things come to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: those who wait, it's really probably the most honest, you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: secular proverb I've ever heard in my life. You know
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that that when you wait, something better is going to
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: come along. I know a lot of times when I've
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: been offered either tours or or you know, or a
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: gig somewhere, and I said no. A lot most of
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the time, most of it, something better came along. And
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and same way with with with with relationships. You know
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: when you just when you say no and and you
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: absolutely wait, I mean like almost every time, something better
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: is coming. And so I would say again, you know
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: that that patience is is the key. Uh. Like I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: would have said that to my young self, I'm saying
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: it to myself now, you know. And and like I said,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I made all of those faults, all those fallacies that happened,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: and I got myself in a lot of trouble, you know, uh,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: with the wrong people and and I'm talking about in
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: business and and now now it's it's it's really in
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: such a great place that now now I'm just telling myself,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: you know, hold the line and have the fortitude to
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: go with the team you have. They're the right ones.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: You've got the right people, and great things are going
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: to happen. So that that's exactly where I am now.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: But just it just takes a while.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: That's awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining us today.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: We appreciate you taking time to chat and give us
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the inside scoop on your life and your experience on the.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Bachelor and all the good stuff. We got to chat about.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: So thank you well, Susan, You've been absolutely a joy
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to do the interview with and anytime you anytime you
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: want a song or will be there.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: M HM.