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FBI PROBES SPACE SCIENTISTS DEAD, MISSING, TOLL RISES TO 17 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Tonight, the FBI continues its probe into space scientists dead
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Speaker 1: and missing, as the death toll actually rises to seventeen.
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Speaker 1: Good evening, I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories. I
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Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us. The tool
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Speaker 1: of missing and or dead space scientist has risen.
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Speaker 2: She really was already questioning authority at that point.
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Speaker 3: So unfortunately that's a proverb. And where you have very
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Speaker 3: very brilliant people and who have these have a you know,
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Speaker 3: very strange suspicious circumsauce around them.
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Speaker 2: Between Monica and Ingrid, I'm seeing some similarities that are
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Speaker 2: very chilling.
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Speaker 1: Tonight, what happened to scientist Aiden Schaeffer? As yet another
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Speaker 1: scientist has been looped into this last name will Cox
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Speaker 1: straight out to special guests joining us Georgia Bradburne joining
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Speaker 1: us from the UK, host of Liminality, who has broken
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Speaker 1: the latest on a deceased scientist, Aidan Schaeffer. You can
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Speaker 1: find on YouTube Interliminality. Georgia, thank you for being with us,
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Speaker 1: Aiden Schaeffer. What did he study? So?
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Speaker 4: Aidan was looking into alternative propulsion. He was involved in
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Speaker 4: space ports in college. He was studying multiple aspects of
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Speaker 4: ways to get humans into space, and he is believed
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Speaker 4: to have been working on anti gravity towards the end
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Speaker 4: of his life. Unfortunately, but what he was doing towards
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Speaker 4: the and unfortunately we do not know, it's unclear what
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Speaker 4: it was he was working on.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just curious when you say propulsion, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: are you referring to jet propulsion.
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Speaker 4: I believe it was field effect propulsion that was looking into.
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Speaker 4: He wanted to find any sort of alternative that would
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Speaker 4: get humans into space. He was aiming to do that
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Speaker 4: by some sort of clean energy alternative. From what I
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Speaker 4: can gather, he was very much involved in an alternative
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Speaker 4: to jet engines. He wanted us to get there, and
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Speaker 4: he was involved in space elevators as well. He was
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Speaker 4: doing that for five years. So his research and development
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Speaker 4: was all got geared towards humans in space and looking
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Speaker 4: for alternative ways to get us there.
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Speaker 1: Aidan Schaefer born raised New Mexico, New Mexico, popping up
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Speaker 1: again fascinating with science space technology in a field known
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Speaker 1: as field effect propulsion. Field effect propulsion Straight out to
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Speaker 1: Chris Swecker Special Guests joining us tonight, former Assistant FBI
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Speaker 1: Director in the Criminal Investigation Unit, Chris Wecker, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. What is field effect.
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Speaker 5: Propulsion, Well, I focus on the word propulsion. When you
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Speaker 5: talk about jet propulsion or any kind of propulsion, you're
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Speaker 5: talking about moving heavy objects long distances through space. So
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Speaker 5: it's a dual use technology. You can use it for say,
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Speaker 5: space exploration, launching satellites, or you can use it for missiles.
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Speaker 5: And it's a you know, deliver a weapon of mass
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Speaker 5: destruction a long distance from one site to another. So
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Speaker 5: that that's what makes it interesting to our adversaries. More
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Speaker 5: than interesting, I would say they would they would love
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Speaker 5: to get their hands on that technology given the conflicts
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Speaker 5: in the world today.
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Speaker 1: My understanding, and of course, Chris Swecker, I'm just a
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer. Fueld effect propulsion is an incredibly advanced aerospace
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Speaker 1: spacecraft propulsion. It's a concept, as you said that for us,
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Speaker 1: the object that would be an aircraft through interaction with
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Speaker 1: electromagnetic or space feels rather than expelling a chemical propellant
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Speaker 1: such as rocket fuel. So that's my understanding a field
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Speaker 1: effect propulsion, And in a lay term, this is the
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Speaker 1: way I understand it is just a simple trial lawyer
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Speaker 1: field effect propulsion instead of using any fuel. You heard
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Speaker 1: Georgia Bradburn say, who's looking for a clean energy? It
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Speaker 1: uses what is around it somehow and turns that into
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Speaker 1: a source of propulsion field effect propulsion, and I had
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Speaker 1: lumped it all together in jet propulsion. This uses electromagnetic power,
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Speaker 1: and it's truly beyond anything I've ever imagined. To Georgia Bradburn,
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Speaker 1: I don't understand how another space scientist, a US space scientist,
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Speaker 1: working on something beyond anything I've ever even imagined. Georgia
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Speaker 1: dies while being in custody for interrogation, to be questioned
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Speaker 1: on an offense. He just has a heart attack and
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Speaker 1: dies while in law enforcement custody.
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Speaker 4: Well, that is what we're being told so far. It's unclear.
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Speaker 4: We are told at this point that it was from
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Speaker 4: a heart attack, but we yet to get any clear
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Speaker 4: documentation as to whether or not that truly was what happened.
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Speaker 4: But Aiden had had his issues with that authority in
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Speaker 4: his area. However, whether or not Aidan's case and his
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Speaker 4: untimely death is linked to the rest of these scientists
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Speaker 4: that we're talking about today, it's clear that Aiden was
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Speaker 4: experiencing something throughout his life similar to Amyscer when it
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Speaker 4: comes to the targeting he may have been facing for
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Speaker 4: the work he was doing, and so it's not as
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Speaker 4: clear cut as anybody would hope it to be. But
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Speaker 4: ultimately he did die in the hands of the authorities,
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Speaker 4: we believe at this point.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious, Georgia Bradburn. You just brought up Amy Ascridge
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Speaker 1: and joining us tonight is one of her very dear friends,
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Speaker 1: Frank Milbourne. And Milbourne who will tell you himself was
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Speaker 1: in close touch with Amy up until the very end. You,
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Speaker 1: Georgia referred to Amy having been harassed and hounded because
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Speaker 1: of her work, and she was actually afraid. Was Aiden
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Speaker 1: Schaeffer being harassed as well?
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Speaker 4: Georgia, I can tell you that he publicly expressed on
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Speaker 4: social media that he certainly felt that way. Whether there
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Speaker 4: is evidence or not is yet to be answered, but
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Speaker 4: he he had made it clear to some friends and
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Speaker 4: on his social media platforms that he certainly felt as
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Speaker 4: though he was potentially in danger and that maybe some
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Speaker 4: of his devices were compromised.
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Speaker 1: Now, let's keep in mind Aidan Schaeffer had extensive education
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Speaker 1: and training. He was studying economics, chemistry, and physics. He
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Speaker 1: went on to study astrophysics. He extended his studies into
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Speaker 1: all realms. Now he's dead, unusual in police custody for
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Speaker 1: questioning to Frank Milburn, joining US former British intelligence officer
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Speaker 1: who knew Amy Eskridge very well. Does it sound familiar?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it also sounds kind of a bit more than
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Speaker 3: coincidental maybe, although I'm speculating here, but Aiden was directly
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Speaker 3: involved with an organization and individuals who are directly accused
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Speaker 3: by Amy Eskridge or corporate espionage, and that is something
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Speaker 3: that I find very very strange, especially as one of
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Speaker 3: those individuals I've been doing research on has a criminal
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Speaker 3: violent history, shall we say, and his case seems to
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Speaker 3: be very much as similar in terms of the sort
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Speaker 3: of mystery aspect as Amy Eskridge. But what I find
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Speaker 3: very very weird is that both of them are linked
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Speaker 3: to these organizations where he was directly working for, and
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Speaker 3: she was accusing the people involved of corporate espionage against
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Speaker 3: her and also other crimes.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Chris Worker joining US former assistant FBI Director Criminal
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Speaker 1: Investigation Unit. I know it's a lot to take in
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Speaker 1: what we're hearing, and I'm trying to separate the wheat
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Speaker 1: from the shape what do you make of what you're hearing?
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Speaker 1: I just find it impossible to believe that of the
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Speaker 1: these brilliant scientists, each in their own right studying issues
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Speaker 1: and complexies far beyond what I've even imagined as a lawyer,
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Speaker 1: that more than one of them feel they're being harassed
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Speaker 1: and threatened because of discoveries they're making, or papers they're
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Speaker 1: going to publish, or just before they're set to speak
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Speaker 1: to members of Congress they die. Now I've got Aiden
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Speaker 1: Schaeffer dead of a heart attack while in law enforcement custody,
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Speaker 1: to be questioned. It's a lot to take in Swicker.
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Speaker 5: Well, it sure is. I mean, when you have my background,
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Speaker 5: you look at these all these people, and this list
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Speaker 5: has grown from nine to what's seventeen now, and I've
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Speaker 5: been trying to sort of track each one of them
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Speaker 5: as we go. There's no official list, if you will,
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Speaker 5: it's just it's a sort of a media wiki type
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Speaker 5: list that keeps growing. But when you look at them closely,
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Speaker 5: you do see that some of them you can just
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Speaker 5: weed out very easily them. I t professor that was
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Speaker 5: a you know, that was a mass shooter from Brown University.
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Speaker 5: Another one that was shot off his porch after carjacking.
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Speaker 5: Another one died of heart disease. But when you really
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Speaker 5: drill down, there are four or five that are missing,
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Speaker 5: not dead, missing under very suspicious circumstances that we just
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Speaker 5: can't explain. And they were working or had worked on
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Speaker 5: highly highly sensitive projects of what I call dual use technology.
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Speaker 5: It's it's dual use being. It's you know, it's aerospace research,
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Speaker 5: or it's mission jet propulsion or some type of propulsion technology.
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Speaker 5: And these are the types of things that our adversaries
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Speaker 5: would love to get their hands on and fully understand,
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Speaker 5: given the you know, the state of warfare and the
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Speaker 5: state of space exploration as it stands now. And this
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Speaker 5: is this has been going on since time began espionage
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Speaker 5: trying to steal state secrets, and these are indeed states.
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Speaker 5: So my mind goes there. Some people, you know, they
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Speaker 5: go to the conspiracy theories of you know, the government
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Speaker 5: doesn't want all this, you know, all this space expiration
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Speaker 5: UFO type stuff out there. But I think that the
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Speaker 5: more logical explanation here is espionage.
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Speaker 1: And when you say espionage, Chris Swecker a reminder to everyone.
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Speaker 1: Swecker is the former assistant FBI director in criminal investigations.
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Speaker 1: You cannot achieve that position without security clearance, after security clearance,
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Speaker 1: after security clearance, tons of years in the field working
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Speaker 1: to attain that position, you know, Chris. So many people
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Speaker 1: don't want to speak out because they don't want to
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Speaker 1: be don't the moniker attached to them of being a
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist but ideal in hard facts. And when I
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Speaker 1: see seventeen questions missing dead, no cause of death, submerged
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Speaker 1: in water, walked away from their daughter, never came back,
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Speaker 1: never seen again, it's just too much to be coincidental.
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Speaker 1: So when I look at Aiden Shaeffer's case, you know what,
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Speaker 1: let me go to Lauren Colin joining us. She is
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Speaker 1: contributor to la magazine. She just wrote an incredible article
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Speaker 1: dealing with this exact material. You can see her at
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Speaker 1: Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us tonight.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about the facility where Schaeffer had a heart attack.
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Speaker 2: This is very interesting, Nancy, and I pulled this from
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Speaker 2: the New Mexico court dockets. So what it says is
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Speaker 2: that on three nine, it says per Torrance County Detention Center,
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Speaker 2: defendant is deceased. When you go look up the Torrance
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Speaker 2: County Detention Center. I mean, it looks like a federal
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Speaker 2: ice facility, a very different detention center than one would
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Speaker 2: be at if you get arrested by by the Taos
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Speaker 2: County Sheriff in New Mexico, which is where Aiden Schaeffer
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Speaker 2: was arrested. So I'm a bit confused by this.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the so called detention center, and You're right,
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Speaker 1: why would someone being questioned on basically a property crime
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Speaker 1: be here. It's surrounded by barbed wire at Scott really
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Speaker 1: high see through chain link fences topped with barbed wire
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Speaker 1: all the way around it. It's out in the middle
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Speaker 1: of what looks to be a desert. Why was this
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Speaker 1: brilliant scientist there and Lauren Colin? More important? Has there
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Speaker 1: been an autopsy? Do we know a cod cause of death?
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Speaker 2: We don't, and I have foid these records because Nancy
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Speaker 2: he actually was charged for the court dockets. He was
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Speaker 2: charged with burglary, he was charged with arsony I think
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Speaker 2: with a deadly weapon as well, but everything was dismissed
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Speaker 2: upon them finding out that he was deceased here. So
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Speaker 2: I have been making calls and I believe I'm going
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Speaker 2: to get it Nancy, and you keep pulling up the
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Speaker 2: obituary or the obituary comes on the screen. I don't
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Speaker 2: understand why his name is spelled incorrectly. That to me
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Speaker 2: is so bizarre, and I think Georgia had pointed this
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Speaker 2: out as well. They also don't even have a birth
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Speaker 2: date for him. The just it's nineteen seventy six.
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Speaker 1: This is everything about this is bizarre to Georgia. Bradburn
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Speaker 1: joining us from UK host of Liminality Georgia, do we
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Speaker 1: know if an autopsy was performed on Aiden Schaeffer.
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Speaker 4: No, not at this point. I believe that somebody else
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Speaker 4: has also filed filed a foyer for that well, just
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Speaker 4: with notes in on the obituary as well. The date
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Speaker 4: of his death actually changed two weeks ago, so I
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Speaker 4: caught this based on a screenshot that somebody had taken originally,
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Speaker 4: and two weeks ago that day.
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Speaker 1: Of death was March.
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Speaker 4: Sorry, two weeks ago, the date of death was the
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Speaker 4: sixth of April. Now it's the March. Now it's March sixth.
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Speaker 1: I'm calling in a death investigator, a renowned death investigator.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, He is
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Speaker 1: the author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon, and
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Speaker 1: he is the star of a hit podcast, Body Bags
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Speaker 1: with Joseph Scott Morgan. But all that aside. Morgan is
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Speaker 1: a death investigator that I first met many years ago
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Speaker 1: as a Fellaly prosecutor, and he was working with the
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Speaker 1: medical examiners and what was then one of the murder
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Speaker 1: capitals of the world, Inner City Atlanta. We had so
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Speaker 1: many homicides, I couldn't keep up with them, and I
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Speaker 1: would go on trial Joe Scott, as you recall, every
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Speaker 1: other week, trying nothing but felonies, and still couldn't keep
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Speaker 1: up with the crushing load of felonies and homicides. So
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott has performed over ten thousand death investigations of
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Speaker 1: all natures. Joe Scott, why do we keep having scientists
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Speaker 1: that A go missing and B don't have autopsies? You
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Speaker 1: and I discussed it last week. I can't remember the
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Speaker 1: number we identified of these seven now seventeen that don't
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Speaker 1: have a real official cod cause of death. There's one
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Speaker 1: scientist that's found dead. They go, oh, he was overweight,
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Speaker 1: he was obese, must have been a heart attack, and
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Speaker 1: that's the cause. Of death. Really, Amy Eskridge did not
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Speaker 1: have an autopsy. It's called self inflicted gunshot wound. When
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Speaker 1: the week before she says to Frank Milburn, if I'm
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Speaker 1: found dead, I did not commit suicide. Don't we have
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Speaker 1: another self inflicted gunshot wound and that is David Wilcock.
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Speaker 1: No autopsy. And I'm going to get into it with
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Speaker 1: you about how can a self inflicted gunshot wound be
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Speaker 1: something very very different? Not that at all. But first,
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Speaker 1: no cod no autopsy. We're gonna have to do a
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Speaker 1: flowchart on that too. Joe Scott, how many of these
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Speaker 1: scientists never have an official cause of death?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's a major problem.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 6: You know you look back over your shoulder through Tom
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Speaker 6: and you want these answers. People are demanding answers now, right.
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Speaker 6: I mean, this is one of the biggest stories in
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Speaker 6: the world and there's no data to give them at
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Speaker 6: this point in time. And listen, once this is done,
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Speaker 6: once the body has been released and has been either
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Speaker 6: buried or cremated, there ain't no going back. It's it
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Speaker 6: is perfection in this idea. If you're thinking about hiding something,
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Speaker 6: there is no excuse. And let's go back to the
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Speaker 6: gentleman you were mentioning just a moment ago that has
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Speaker 6: allegedly died in custody. Nancy, when in the medical legal community,
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Speaker 6: when anyone dies in custody, and I don't care if
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Speaker 6: they're in the back of a patrol car or if
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Speaker 6: they're in a hospital wing in a facility, they have
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Speaker 6: to be examined by a medical legal authority. And this
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Speaker 6: is why, because you are in custody, literally in the
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Speaker 6: state that you're found in, they are charged with protecting you. Okay,
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Speaker 6: So when you die in that environment, everything has to
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Speaker 6: be examined so that there are no questions in the
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Speaker 6: future coming back to say, well, this happened to them,
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Speaker 6: So at least you have to draw talks, you have
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Speaker 6: to do an external examination. If this man was not autopsy,
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Speaker 6: if his death was not reported to the medical legal authorities,
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Speaker 6: there is a major problem here, okay, because you would
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Speaker 6: want to draw talks on him to try to understand
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Speaker 6: what's going on at at a chemical level within his body.
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Speaker 6: And then we have to look for any kind of signs,
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Speaker 6: any kind of trauma on his on his on his
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Speaker 6: external person and also internally just to see why is
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Speaker 6: it that of all points in time, he dies in
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Speaker 6: custody and doesn't die outside of custody. Do you see that.
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Speaker 6: That's a big question that we have to ask and
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Speaker 6: all of these I'm going to be very curious. I'll
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Speaker 6: help you put together the flow chart chart and we
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Speaker 6: can go by point by point to try to explain
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Speaker 6: why this is so very important.
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Speaker 8: I'm curious if the PRC is watching. I know they're
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Speaker 8: in my phone. I've alluded to that earlier today. So
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Speaker 8: and that's not just paranoia, that's my professional work life
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Speaker 8: due to being on the inside of APEX, because I
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Speaker 8: know China is in my phone, meaning that there's a
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Speaker 8: unit of people somewhere in Hong Kong that have the
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Speaker 8: same level of access as the So anyway you signal
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Speaker 8: everybody that's him.
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Speaker 1: That's Aidan Schaeffer speaking about his fear based on certain
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Speaker 1: incidents that had occurred that his phone was, for lack
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Speaker 1: of a better word, tapped. That is from vlog of
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Speaker 1: the Dead. It's on YouTube. And now I want you
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Speaker 1: to hear something that Chris Schwecker told us, so.
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Speaker 9: It would not be out of the realm of possibility
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Speaker 9: that China or Russia or some other hostile foreign intelligence
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Speaker 9: service would kidnap one of our scientists and try to
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Speaker 9: extract information out of them or turn them, you know,
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Speaker 9: into a double agent. General public tends to be a
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Speaker 9: little bit unaware of the prolific efforts to steal our
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Speaker 9: sensitive technologies from A to Z. There after it day
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Speaker 9: in and day out, and thereafter the people that are
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Speaker 9: working on it. It's a comprehendsive, ongoing effort on the
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Speaker 9: part of hostile foreign intelligence services to steal our technology.
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Speaker 9: I think we're going to see this list grow and
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Speaker 9: it's going to play out in the public eye because
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Speaker 9: it's of great interest to the public.
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Speaker 1: That is our guest tonight, our friend Chris Swecker, former
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Speaker 1: FBI Assistant director, speaking to Fox Nation. But let's hear
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Speaker 1: it from the horse's mouth, you know, Chris. So often
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Speaker 1: when we hear someone say I think somebody's listening on
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Speaker 1: my phone, you immediately think they're crazy. Right, this guy,
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Speaker 1: Aiden Schaeffer, we just saw him speaking. He's not crazy.
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Speaker 1: He thought someone was listening to his phone or gathering
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Speaker 1: information from his phone. And at your level at the FBI,
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Speaker 1: that is not uncommon.
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Speaker 5: You can't overstate how aggressive and proactive especially China is
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Speaker 5: in trying to gather up and steal our technology. And
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Speaker 5: it isn't you know, just technology in the hands of
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Speaker 5: our defense establishment, if you will, it's any technology that's
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Speaker 5: helpful to them, that will help them compete, you know,
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Speaker 5: in the world marketplace, and you know in military, in
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Speaker 5: you know, research and development. Because they don't do their
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Speaker 5: own research and development. They reverse engineer just about everything.
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Speaker 5: They don't have the you know, the initiatives and the
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Speaker 5: freedom that we have here to do that, you know,
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Speaker 5: research and technology. So there after it every day, he sounded,
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Speaker 5: you know, I agree with you. You sound a little paranoid.
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Speaker 5: But just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out
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Speaker 5: to get you. And in this case that may well
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Speaker 5: have been true, because China, especially Russia, is at it too,
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Speaker 5: but they're a little more clumsy and they're easier to detect.
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Speaker 5: China is at it all day, every day through cyber means,
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Speaker 5: trying to compromise scientists, go to trade shows, introduce born
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Speaker 5: exchange students. They're at it all the time. And you know,
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't It wouldn't surprise me at all. And this
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Speaker 5: is an alternative theory that one or more of these
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Speaker 5: scientists had been turned and now you're you're in it
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Speaker 5: and you can never get out of it. The only
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Speaker 5: way you can get out of it is and to
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Speaker 5: take your own life.
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Speaker 1: Chris, I want you and everyone else on our guest
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Speaker 1: Pedel tonight. I've been watching the videos of Aiden Schaeffer
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Speaker 1: over and over and over. I'm just a lay person
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Speaker 1: to detect what I can. I've looked at every word.
23:34
Speaker 1: I just want you to see and hear him speaking. Listen.
23:39
Speaker 8: If you're in the ufology thing, if you've talked with Amy,
23:42
Speaker 8: you probably have seen this once or twice. It's a
23:46
Speaker 8: very hastily done model. Here is what is inside. It's
23:53
Speaker 8: a technical model. It's just trying to learn how to
23:55
Speaker 8: build a flying saucer. And yes, everything shapes mean things
24:03
Speaker 8: if the parts inside may not actually reflect reality. If anything,
24:09
Speaker 8: I kind of want to redo this one, maybe make
24:12
Speaker 8: it a bit shorter so it's tighter.
24:19
Speaker 10: I am a maker. I should be a fabricator. I
24:23
Speaker 10: should should still be. I don't know how to smith, blacksmith
24:29
Speaker 10: and make things. The joy of making is difficult because
24:35
Speaker 10: how you can.
24:35
Speaker 7: Envision something isn't how it comes into reality or the
24:41
Speaker 7: labor of your hands sometimes does not match the quality
24:46
Speaker 7: of your vision.
24:49
Speaker 8: Your artistic vision. I'm curious if the PRC is watching.
24:54
Speaker 8: I know they're in my phone. I've alluded to that
24:56
Speaker 8: earlier today. So and that's not just paranoia, that's my
25:00
Speaker 8: professional work life due to being on the inside of APEX,
25:03
Speaker 8: because I know China is in my phone, meaning that
25:09
Speaker 8: there's a unit of people somewhere in Hong Kong that
25:12
Speaker 8: have the same level of access as the NSA. So
25:18
Speaker 8: anyway you signal everybody.
25:21
Speaker 1: I just wanted you to see that. And there's so
25:23
Speaker 1: much more that's from the vlog of the Dead that
25:26
Speaker 1: is Aiden Shaef for speaking, and there's a lot of
25:30
Speaker 1: it and he's not just based on that, but everything
25:33
Speaker 1: I've learned, he's brilliant. To Frank Melbourne, former British intelligence
25:41
Speaker 1: officer who knew Amy Escridge so very well and knew
25:46
Speaker 1: and is familiar with her work in the anti gravity
25:48
Speaker 1: technology as well as Director of Energy Weapons. She was
25:53
Speaker 1: working with that as well. Frank, when you hear him
26:00
Speaker 1: Aiden Schaeffer speaking about People's Republic of China or didn't
26:05
Speaker 1: know who he thought may have been gathering information from
26:08
Speaker 1: his phone and we hear Chris Wicker talk about there
26:13
Speaker 1: are fleets of hackers, fleets of specialists in China every
26:19
Speaker 1: day twenty four to seven trying to crack into not
26:24
Speaker 1: just his phone, but millions of Americans phones. We know
26:28
Speaker 1: that we joke about TikTok all the time, how the
26:32
Speaker 1: Chinese are in our phone on TikTok. That's just a
26:35
Speaker 1: very simple, rudimentary example. But Frank I compare it to this.
26:42
Speaker 1: I've dealt with so many teens, preteens, tweens, children even
26:48
Speaker 1: that are targeted online. And it's not just one person
26:52
Speaker 1: doing it. There are people in their basements all over
26:56
Speaker 1: the world right now trying to get at children to
27:01
Speaker 1: respond to them as like a sweatshop. There are thousands
27:05
Speaker 1: of them in every state trying to get children to
27:10
Speaker 1: respond to them so they can get into their world
27:13
Speaker 1: via social media and then molest them. I can't overstate
27:17
Speaker 1: how many there are now. Think about the power of
27:21
Speaker 1: a foreign entity, as Chris Worker was describing constantly trying
27:26
Speaker 1: espionage on our scientists. It's real.
27:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I know from me the Estridge
27:33
Speaker 3: and she was talking about her and her team both
27:35
Speaker 3: at home and also at work, that they were constantly
27:38
Speaker 3: having to you know, sort of rewire, reinstall, clean install
27:44
Speaker 3: their computers, their phones, and they literally couldn't keep up
27:46
Speaker 3: with it because he had a team of working against them,
27:50
Speaker 3: you know, sort of twenty four to seven. Sometimes it
27:52
Speaker 3: would be like a Russian IPS. Sometimes it would be
27:55
Speaker 3: sort of a China Link's EPs that they could find,
27:58
Speaker 3: or other suspicious eyeps. But these are very technically competent
28:02
Speaker 3: people that we're talking about. But Amy kind of got
28:04
Speaker 3: so concerned towards the end. I mean, I'm looking at
28:06
Speaker 3: her a message from her just now from November twenty
28:10
Speaker 3: twenty one, and she's saying that she's so worried. She
28:12
Speaker 3: doesn't want to go to a psychiatrist to deal with
28:15
Speaker 3: her stress, to get stress relief medication, because she doesn't
28:18
Speaker 3: want to be anything that could be construed as being suicidal.
28:22
Speaker 3: She doesn't want to get pain relief for all the
28:23
Speaker 3: pain that she's in because she doesn't want to be
28:25
Speaker 3: construed that she took an overdose or something. And she
28:28
Speaker 3: doesn't want to get a carry a concealed carry license
28:30
Speaker 3: for a weapon because she's worried that that could be
28:33
Speaker 3: construed as in she got herself a firearm and she
28:35
Speaker 3: committed suicide with it. So that's the kind of level
28:38
Speaker 3: that we were at with Amy.
28:39
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. Back to Chris Swerker joining a
28:42
Speaker 1: former assistant FBI director in criminal investigations. Chris, I've dealt
28:47
Speaker 1: with a lot of legitimately legally insane defendants, many many,
28:54
Speaker 1: many of them over the course of a decade plus. Typically,
29:00
Speaker 1: let's just use street vernacular, crazy people are not worried
29:03
Speaker 1: about the fact that they may appear crazy. They're not
29:06
Speaker 1: worried about, Hey, I don't want to talk to a
29:09
Speaker 1: counselor about my stress. I don't want that to go
29:12
Speaker 1: on my record. I don't want anybody to think I'm
29:14
Speaker 1: suicidal because I'm not suicidal. And then she commits suicide
29:19
Speaker 1: according to sources, no cood, no formal medical examiner report.
29:27
Speaker 1: So the way that these victims are being painted with
29:33
Speaker 1: quite the brush is an effort I think to cast
29:40
Speaker 1: them off as on the fringe, on the fringe of science,
29:46
Speaker 1: not important mental problems. That's not true, Chris, It is
29:52
Speaker 1: not true.
29:53
Speaker 5: Brilliant people are eccentric, and what you're talking about, I
29:58
Speaker 5: think think's a really good point. I mean, they these
30:01
Speaker 5: people who are going to kill themselves or are suicidal.
30:05
Speaker 5: Don't run around saying, hey, I'm not suicidal. Please understand this.
30:10
Speaker 5: If something happens to me, it's not suicide. They don't
30:13
Speaker 5: go out and commit suicide. So, you know, it's the
30:16
Speaker 5: thing that's bothered me about all of this. We know
30:19
Speaker 5: that they're not all connected, but it wasn't being looked at.
30:23
Speaker 5: It appears that it wasn't being looked at by looked at,
30:26
Speaker 5: I mean deeply investigated by the FBI until the media
30:30
Speaker 5: brought it to their attention. And let's understand the difference
30:33
Speaker 5: between the FBI and the CIA. The FBI are spy catchers.
30:37
Speaker 5: The CIA are our spies. And it's the FBI's role
30:41
Speaker 5: to get into to dig into these sort of things
30:44
Speaker 5: and find out if there is indeed a pattern here,
30:47
Speaker 5: or if this is some broader conspiracy or what, you know,
30:49
Speaker 5: what's behind all of this, and not take it at
30:52
Speaker 5: face value. So I've you know, if there's one thing
30:56
Speaker 5: that there's an element of truth to and that is
30:59
Speaker 5: it wasn't looked at early on. None of these were
31:01
Speaker 5: looked at. They were local investigations, state and local police
31:05
Speaker 5: departments looking at him in isolation.
31:08
Speaker 1: Now we have Lauren Colin, another death, reportedly by self
31:14
Speaker 1: inflicted gunshot wound. And I'm talking about an American writer
31:19
Speaker 1: and a significant figure in the disclosure movement. And when
31:25
Speaker 1: I say disclosure movement, advocating vociferously for the complete opening
31:33
Speaker 1: and disclosure of UAP information commonly known as UFO information.
31:40
Speaker 1: He was really pushing the government to release that. And
31:43
Speaker 1: just as it all seems to be about to happen,
31:46
Speaker 1: but don't hold your breath. I'm still waiting for all
31:49
Speaker 1: the Epstein files to be released, he suddenly dies of
31:54
Speaker 1: a self inflicted gunshot wound. Tell me about his death.
32:01
Speaker 2: Yes, this is so tragic, David Wilcock. I think many
32:05
Speaker 2: people were shocked as well, because he seemed to be
32:08
Speaker 2: doing well via his social media posts, and you know,
32:11
Speaker 2: nobody actually knows what's going on in someone's head. Of course,
32:15
Speaker 2: it's incredibly tragic, and the entire community, Nancy, the entire
32:20
Speaker 2: UAP community, disclosure community, was just reeling from this.
32:28
Speaker 1: I want to go to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics,
32:32
Speaker 1: death investigator. I'm curious. I'm not ready to make any
32:38
Speaker 1: formal assessment, but I'm curious about, for instance, one scientist
32:44
Speaker 1: disappearing and being found in a body of water months later.
32:50
Speaker 1: Could water conceal a cod I'm also curious about self
32:56
Speaker 1: inflicted gunshot wounds. How can we determine is it real?
33:02
Speaker 1: How can we determine if someone had been slipped a
33:05
Speaker 1: psychotic drug to induce suicidal ideation, such as David Wilcock.
33:14
Speaker 1: When you don't have a formal medical examiner autopsy, you
33:19
Speaker 1: don't have toxicology. I don't know what, if anything was
33:23
Speaker 1: in his blood. I don't know tonight. I don't know
33:26
Speaker 1: what happened to Aiden who was died of a heart
33:31
Speaker 1: attack in detention and what looks to be an ice facility. Why,
33:35
Speaker 1: how did that happen? Why was he there? Also, you've
33:39
Speaker 1: got Wilcock and Escridge both stating can I see that
33:44
Speaker 1: full screen? Please? That Wilcock posted, I am not suicidal,
33:50
Speaker 1: same thing Eskridge said. Now they're both dead by self
33:57
Speaker 1: inflicted gunshot wounds. How can I tell the different?
34:01
Speaker 6: Well, I'll put it to you this way. You and
34:02
Speaker 6: I have both covered cases like this, and I've worked
34:04
Speaker 6: cases like this where individuals have in fact taken their
34:09
Speaker 6: own lives all right, with self inflicted injuries all right,
34:14
Speaker 6: That doesn't mean that somebody else's hand was not on it. Okay,
34:19
Speaker 6: It's a slippery slope here, because you can have individuals
34:22
Speaker 6: that are right on the edge, Nancy. They might have
34:26
Speaker 6: some type of psychopathology that's going on. They could be intimidated,
34:31
Speaker 6: which I've worked cases like that, to the point where
34:33
Speaker 6: they do feel hopeless and helpless and they do in
34:36
Speaker 6: fact self inflict at that point in time. I've seen
34:39
Speaker 6: these cases. They are out there. We hear about them
34:41
Speaker 6: all the time, particularly in teen groups. So this is
34:45
Speaker 6: something that you cannot just merely say, oh, yeah, yeah,
34:47
Speaker 6: well you know this was you know, self inflicted, or
34:51
Speaker 6: this was self you know, fatal self harm. You can't
34:54
Speaker 6: just simply say that and dismiss it. And here's the
34:57
Speaker 6: big problem, and it's really a simple solution. If somebody dies,
35:02
Speaker 6: examine their body. It's that simple because many times people
35:07
Speaker 6: will actually and I'm talking about medical, legal authorities and
35:10
Speaker 6: the police, they will release bodies directly to funeral homes
35:14
Speaker 6: from scenes that have self inflicted harm. And this is
35:18
Speaker 6: a major problem, particularly when you come up against this
35:22
Speaker 6: because I'm interested. You had mentioned just a moment ago
35:26
Speaker 6: any kind of psychoactive drug. Right. Well, if a body
35:29
Speaker 6: isn't bombed, right, we can't go back and do toxicology
35:33
Speaker 6: at that point in time to see what was actually
35:35
Speaker 6: in their system. If the body is cremated, we certainly
35:39
Speaker 6: can't do that. There's no unringing the bell at that
35:42
Speaker 6: point in time. So all of this adds up, and
35:45
Speaker 6: to the director's point just a little while ago, I'm
35:49
Speaker 6: very curious, and I'm thinking about this as a as
35:52
Speaker 6: a forensic medical legal person. When you look at the
35:55
Speaker 6: data that has been posted relative to all of these individuals,
35:59
Speaker 6: this kind of arted out event. We look at this
36:02
Speaker 6: from an epidemiological standpoint, you know, where you get these
36:05
Speaker 6: clusters that are occurring. And then what epidemiologists do is
36:09
Speaker 6: they look at the kind of group that these people
36:12
Speaker 6: and you can classify any way you want to, level
36:15
Speaker 6: of education, level of interest, all these sorts of things.
36:18
Speaker 6: Why are these clusters appearing within these groups? Could you
36:21
Speaker 6: take you know, just another random group and still find
36:24
Speaker 6: this clustering. I think that there's something here from a
36:27
Speaker 6: scientific standpoint, from an epidemiological standpoint, if you want to
36:31
Speaker 6: look at it from that perspective, that actually correlates to
36:35
Speaker 6: this mystery that we have that we're trying to solve.
36:38
Speaker 6: But if you're shooting yourself in the foot to begin
36:40
Speaker 6: with as an agency and you're not following through as
36:43
Speaker 6: a death investigator, then you train reckon of investigation for
36:47
Speaker 6: it even get started.
36:49
Speaker 1: We haven't even touched on the missing scientist. And I'll
36:52
Speaker 1: go to if it's Gibbons on that in one moment.
36:54
Speaker 1: But another issue, and I'm going to throw this to
36:57
Speaker 1: Swecker in Milburn first, to Chris Swecker, I'm casting my
37:01
Speaker 1: eyes towards China and Russia.
37:04
Speaker 5: With those two countries, nothing's off the table. There are
37:07
Speaker 5: no rules, no boundaries. And if they want to take
37:10
Speaker 5: out scientists that they think is developed, is in the
37:13
Speaker 5: a key person in the development of a of a
37:17
Speaker 5: military technology or an aerospace technology that's detrimental to their countries,
37:22
Speaker 5: they would do it. You know, post World War Two,
37:25
Speaker 5: as there was a race to to you know, develop
37:29
Speaker 5: more and powerful atomic bombs and nucular nuclear weapons, and
37:34
Speaker 5: we recruited and in some cases took out scientists that
37:39
Speaker 5: were that there were hostile to this country. And that's
37:44
Speaker 5: the whole Cold War dynamic that we had post World
37:46
Speaker 5: War two. So it's on the table. And nobody should
37:49
Speaker 5: think that we that even our intelligence services or and
37:52
Speaker 5: especially the hostile foreign intelligence services to the United States
37:55
Speaker 5: would not do this. I'm not saying that's what's happening here.
37:59
Speaker 5: I'm just saying it's out there.
38:01
Speaker 1: It's a possibility. And I'm wondering, we know Trump is
38:04
Speaker 1: car for an investigation, is it real or is it
38:08
Speaker 1: just you know, for show. I base everything on what
38:14
Speaker 1: I've seen in other cases. For instance, we told we
38:16
Speaker 1: were going to get the Epstein files. We haven't gotten
38:19
Speaker 1: them all. That was a lie. What else do we
38:23
Speaker 1: not know about this investigation? Frank Milburn? Did Amy Eskridge
38:29
Speaker 1: believe that a foreign entity was targeting her or did
38:33
Speaker 1: she think it was corporate espionage?
38:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a number of interesting threads there. We went
38:40
Speaker 3: through all this. There certainly seemed to be some indication
38:43
Speaker 3: that there were sort of foreign thread actors, you know,
38:47
Speaker 3: Russia and China because of the IT related issues that
38:50
Speaker 3: she had. But she also did she accused a American
38:54
Speaker 3: organization of corporate espionage against her, which Aiden Shaffer's directly
38:58
Speaker 3: Aiden Shaffer's directly linked to because he used to work
39:01
Speaker 3: for one of them, and that organization is the one
39:03
Speaker 3: that she was making these allegations against, both in voice
39:07
Speaker 3: form to me and also the ones that I've given
39:09
Speaker 3: to you in her voice file format. But I think
39:12
Speaker 3: the problem here is she was also worried that that
39:16
Speaker 3: her IP was upsetting somebody, you know, domestically, and she
39:20
Speaker 3: thought perhaps maybe an aerospace company, and certainly in terms
39:23
Speaker 3: of the amount of time four years that she was
39:26
Speaker 3: under this level of harassment, both information technology penetrations, both
39:31
Speaker 3: the physical surveillance, the technical surveillance, and also the you know,
39:36
Speaker 3: the social engineering, the directed energy weapon attacks which are
39:39
Speaker 3: documented against her and against other people. That's a lot
39:42
Speaker 3: of moving parts and to have on the ground that
39:44
Speaker 3: are sort of flying under the radar of local law
39:47
Speaker 3: enforcement and all sort of you know, counterintelligence agencies. So
39:51
Speaker 3: that's some kind of actor that can that can work
39:54
Speaker 3: with a level of impunity freedom of action.
39:57
Speaker 1: Frank, I've been looking at some recently discovered ver texts
40:00
Speaker 1: of Amy Eskridges, and I'm convinced that she was not suicidal.
40:11
Speaker 1: We haven't even touched on the missing scientists. To Brian
40:15
Speaker 1: Fitzgibbons joining US Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security and let
40:21
Speaker 1: me stress fits Gibbons leads a team of investigators around
40:26
Speaker 1: the world finding and extracting missing people other countries, all
40:33
Speaker 1: across the US. He finds them and extracts them if possible.
40:38
Speaker 1: He is a former marine and Iraqi war that Brian Fitzgibbons,
40:44
Speaker 1: We've been so focused on the body count tonight, we
40:48
Speaker 1: haven't even addressed the missing scientists way in.
40:54
Speaker 11: Yeah, you're you're absolutely right, and you know there are
40:57
Speaker 11: five missing, right, two of which Monica Raisa in general
41:02
Speaker 11: William McCasland had incredibly high security cearances and access to
41:08
Speaker 11: this information. And I want to touch on something that
41:11
Speaker 11: Chris Schwecker said. These foreign intelligence organizations are not just
41:16
Speaker 11: going after and targeting folks that have that access. They're
41:21
Speaker 11: also targeting people with placement. And what I mean by
41:25
Speaker 11: placement is this would refer to somebody who has physical
41:30
Speaker 11: or occupational proximity to that desired information, and that that's
41:35
Speaker 11: where you lump in, you know, the foreman in Los Alamos,
41:39
Speaker 11: in the administrative assistant, in a contracted custodian. You know,
41:44
Speaker 11: they can't be easily dismissed as not connected because they
41:48
Speaker 11: themselves don't have access to the information. They have the
41:52
Speaker 11: right placement. So these missing, the missing on our list,
41:58
Speaker 11: I think, you know, it's easy lives side of the
42:00
Speaker 11: forest for the sake of the trees. But these missing cases,
42:04
Speaker 11: in my opinion, are what need a lot of time
42:08
Speaker 11: and focus on.
42:09
Speaker 1: You know, Brian. One of the missing, Melissa Cassius there
42:15
Speaker 1: you see her on the right. I really identify with
42:19
Speaker 1: her personally because she drops what she's doing and goes
42:25
Speaker 1: to take her daughter a subway sandwich for lunch. And
42:28
Speaker 1: how many times everybody on the panel has children. You
42:31
Speaker 1: drop what you're doing, you stop in the middle of
42:34
Speaker 1: your work and you do some crazy thing like pick
42:39
Speaker 1: up a dress, or bring a subway sandwich or Carrie
42:44
Speaker 1: Sucker hands to school just before practice. There's a million
42:49
Speaker 1: things you do. She dropped everything she was doing Brian
42:54
Speaker 1: to take her daughter a subway sandwich. Then she walks
42:59
Speaker 1: out of the house in the middle of the day,
43:02
Speaker 1: which she never did because it was so hot there.
43:06
Speaker 1: I have in my notes here how hot it was outside.
43:10
Speaker 1: She worked with Chavez Atlas Alamos. She lives in the
43:14
Speaker 1: heat for a walk, which she never did two eighteen pm.
43:20
Speaker 1: She planned to work from home that day. She's last
43:23
Speaker 1: seen on surveillance, walking briskly eastbound State Road five one
43:27
Speaker 1: eight the heat of the afternoon, no phone, no ID, nothing,
43:37
Speaker 1: She's never seen again. Okay, no, that's not right. Everything
43:45
Speaker 1: in my mind is screaming this mom would never have
43:49
Speaker 1: left her daughter and fits. When they go to look
43:54
Speaker 1: at her home, they find her work phone and her
43:57
Speaker 1: personal phone, both of them had been wiped and factory reset.
44:02
Speaker 1: I mean, I've said this one hundred times. You know
44:05
Speaker 1: the old story about the five blind men trying to
44:11
Speaker 1: describe what is an elephant. Well, one is feeling the trunk,
44:16
Speaker 1: and one is feeling the tail, and one the tummy,
44:20
Speaker 1: and two of them each have a leg and a foot,
44:23
Speaker 1: and nothing makes sense to them. They just know basically
44:30
Speaker 1: what it is. And I am telling you I know
44:33
Speaker 1: that this woman did not leave her daughter. Now what
44:37
Speaker 1: her position was is that she worked with Chevez at
44:42
Speaker 1: Los Alamos. That's the one that really speaks to me, Brian.
44:47
Speaker 1: But all of them, all of them just leave with
44:51
Speaker 1: no ID. Mchaslym leaves, no cell phone, no ID, He
44:56
Speaker 1: even takes off a smart watch, nothing to identify who
45:00
Speaker 1: he is. In fact, less than two miles away, his
45:04
Speaker 1: Air Force sweatshirt is found. We believe it's his on
45:07
Speaker 1: the side of the road. Monica. You know. Let me
45:11
Speaker 1: go to you, Lauren Colin. You have done a really
45:14
Speaker 1: deep dive on Monica jysin Theresa and your article in
45:19
Speaker 1: LA magazine was eye opening and I'm sure that took
45:24
Speaker 1: you hundreds and hundreds of hours of research to put
45:27
Speaker 1: that one article together. Remind us about how Monica just
45:32
Speaker 1: disappears off a trail.
45:34
Speaker 2: Of course, Monica's disappearance is very chilling because she was
45:37
Speaker 2: with two people from her yoga group and reportedly she
45:41
Speaker 2: was descending from a mountain with her male companion, only
45:45
Speaker 2: she was behind him about thirty feet. They were both running. Again,
45:49
Speaker 2: this is a steep terrain. No one can understand why
45:52
Speaker 2: they were running. The mail companion turned around, he waved
45:55
Speaker 2: to her. A minute later she was gone, vanished into
45:59
Speaker 2: thin air, and that red beanie was found on a
46:02
Speaker 2: more dangerous path leading off of the mountain. This is
46:06
Speaker 2: Mount Waterman, and her scent stopped at that beanie. Fancy
46:11
Speaker 2: very strange. And just to go back one thing you've
46:14
Speaker 2: said about Melissa Cassius, I want to point out that
46:17
Speaker 2: Melissa was an administrative assistant at Los Salamo's. Generally she
46:22
Speaker 2: wouldn't have a high security clearance. However, I think the
46:25
Speaker 2: important question to ask without founding too conspiratorial, is did
46:30
Speaker 2: she see something that she shouldn't have? And also it
46:34
Speaker 2: was reported that Melissa was seen getting into a vehicle,
46:38
Speaker 2: although the make and model is not available.
46:41
Speaker 1: And you know, to Ryan as Gibbons, after we did
46:46
Speaker 1: a careful review of the disappearance of Ingrid, well let's
46:52
Speaker 1: see her vehicle. So she's out in the middle of
46:54
Speaker 1: Andi wear. She disappears like Jasin Theresa. Her scent just ends,
47:02
Speaker 1: which we all know that scent dogs don't just it
47:04
Speaker 1: doesn't just end. The person has to get in the car.
47:11
Speaker 1: Your scent just doesn't end. Her scent ends near her car.
47:16
Speaker 1: And her disappearance was chalked off to as a boulder attack,
47:21
Speaker 1: that a boulder fell on her car. So what she
47:25
Speaker 1: lived and then disappeared all on her own? I mean, Fitzgibbons,
47:31
Speaker 1: these stories are fantastical.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, the circumstances around Ingrid's vehicle, you know, in the
47:37
Speaker 11: evidence collected there at the scene. Having taken a look
47:41
Speaker 11: at those photos, it is almost unbelievable. The narrative that's
47:47
Speaker 11: been placed together here, and when you add these things
47:50
Speaker 11: in totality and you look at the other missing cases,
47:54
Speaker 11: these are folks that how many cases that can be
47:58
Speaker 11: connected that folks have wiped their phones, put their Apple
48:01
Speaker 11: watches in their mailbox, left all identifiable information behind, and
48:07
Speaker 11: then frankly disappeared.
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Speaker 10: Right.
48:09
Speaker 11: So there's a lot to these cases that that connects them,
48:15
Speaker 11: not not only from the u A p UFO scientific standpoint,
48:20
Speaker 11: but from their placement and access to this information, along
48:24
Speaker 11: with the circumstances around their disappearances.
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Speaker 1: Frank Milburn were in.
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Speaker 3: I think it's extremely worrying what's been going on with
48:35
Speaker 3: all of them, the ones that we've narrowed into that have,
48:40
Speaker 3: you know, the links to the the aerospace and defense angle.
48:45
Speaker 3: And I'm particularly concerned as well with the new one
48:48
Speaker 3: about Schaeffer, principally because there is a link there to
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Speaker 3: Amy Escritch.
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Speaker 2: No I have.
48:52
Speaker 3: I have concentrated on them squat side, but that to me,
48:56
Speaker 3: when I saw Georgia come out with that research, that
48:59
Speaker 3: to me was particularly.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I can connect David Wilcock to
49:03
Speaker 1: this because Lauren Colin accurately pointed out that he was
49:10
Speaker 1: waving a gun around he was observed killing himself. Not
49:15
Speaker 1: so with Sullivan, Joe, Scott Morgan, You and I very
49:19
Speaker 1: carefully vetted the facts as it relates to Sully. Just
49:24
Speaker 1: before he's to meet with someone connected in Congress about
49:29
Speaker 1: what he knows, he suddenly is found dead in hotel
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Speaker 1: room and one of the drugsy oded on was a
49:37
Speaker 1: child's bed wedding medication.
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Speaker 6: What's you know? And you have to think about the
49:42
Speaker 6: connectivity here and why is it that at that moment
49:45
Speaker 6: in time, with this drug cocktail, that he would decide
49:49
Speaker 6: to take his life? What would be you know, because
49:52
Speaker 6: you know you talked about a few moments ago, Nancy,
49:54
Speaker 6: this concept of suicidal ideation. And that's one of the
49:59
Speaker 6: things look at with people that do self harm, right,
50:03
Speaker 6: what kind of history do they have? Is this something
50:06
Speaker 6: that just suddenly manifests itself? You know, one day you're
50:10
Speaker 6: kind of clipping along, you have access to data, you're
50:14
Speaker 6: going to make an official presentation or comment about this,
50:18
Speaker 6: and then for whatever reason, you're gone, Man, I mean
50:22
Speaker 6: you're absolutely gone. And so I think that a deep
50:25
Speaker 6: dive into his death and also how these drugs were applied,
50:31
Speaker 6: were they was this completely oral ingestion or was there
50:36
Speaker 6: any other indicators on his body that they could have
50:38
Speaker 6: applied been applied some other way. I'm thinking about things
50:41
Speaker 6: like needle puncture wounds and things like that that we
50:44
Speaker 6: looked for.
50:45
Speaker 1: I was just about to ask you that, Joe Scott,
50:47
Speaker 1: about how subtle a very very needle puncture wound can
50:52
Speaker 1: be on a body, and if it's in a location
50:54
Speaker 1: where the ma A typically wouldn't look like behind the ear.
50:57
Speaker 6: There are many ankles.
50:59
Speaker 1: And I know that because of autopsies. I've attended where
51:04
Speaker 1: an addict did overdose and they couldn't find the needle
51:07
Speaker 1: market and then they found it a very obscure location
51:10
Speaker 1: on the body and use a very thin needle and
51:13
Speaker 1: an obscure location. It very often goes undetected.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it does. And that's why you have to be
51:20
Speaker 6: incredibly thorough and also the investigation before you ever start
51:24
Speaker 6: the post, right, because you have to have a direction.
51:28
Speaker 6: And I say post, I mean autopsy. You have to
51:30
Speaker 6: have a direction. It kind of the information that comes
51:33
Speaker 6: in to the forensic pathologist from the field is kind
51:38
Speaker 6: of the roadmap, right, you know, we kind of know
51:40
Speaker 6: what we're dealing with at the scene and then you
51:43
Speaker 6: move forward with the autopsy and all all things have
51:46
Speaker 6: to be considered. That that's the beauty of medical legal
51:48
Speaker 6: debt investigation. We're not for either side. We just want
51:52
Speaker 6: the scientific truth here, and unfortunately, with a lot of
51:55
Speaker 6: these cases, I'm seeing an absence of that. I'm seeing
51:58
Speaker 6: an absence of science to truths because you know, with
52:02
Speaker 6: that science, the trying, the science is actually you know,
52:05
Speaker 6: the lamp of learning. It will obliterate all of the darkness,
52:09
Speaker 6: all of these kind of things that are shaded here.
52:11
Speaker 6: If we can go back to the science and begin
52:14
Speaker 6: to understand how the mechanism of death occurred, then we're
52:18
Speaker 6: gonna have We're gonna have answers.
52:19
Speaker 1: And then you've got le Blanc will never learn anything
52:22
Speaker 1: because his body was incinerated to Chris Swecker joining US
52:27
Speaker 1: former assistant FBI Director. Chris final thought.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, as we've all discussed here, I mean, we all
52:35
Speaker 5: know that not all of these cases are related, but there,
52:38
Speaker 5: you know, there's there are some, especially the missing person cases.
52:42
Speaker 5: As we've just finished discussing, there they they are. They
52:47
Speaker 5: They bother me quite a bit because some of them
52:49
Speaker 5: are missing under very similar circumstances and they've walked away
52:54
Speaker 5: without their phones, they've walked away without their personal items,
52:57
Speaker 5: they were involved in sensitive, highly sensitive dual use technologies,
53:02
Speaker 5: or in and around it. And so I just think
53:07
Speaker 5: that this is the type of the investigation has to
53:11
Speaker 5: be deep, and it has to be wide in terms
53:14
Speaker 5: of trying to determine if there are any connections whatsoever.
53:18
Speaker 5: You know, See, it seems like the media has been
53:19
Speaker 5: doing the work of the FBI, and they finally did
53:24
Speaker 5: open an investigation, according to the President. I'm curious why
53:27
Speaker 5: they didn't do it sooner, But let's hope we get
53:30
Speaker 5: some answers sometime, you know, over the next couple of
53:33
Speaker 5: months or so. It shouldn't take that long to see
53:35
Speaker 5: if there are indep connections or there is indeed foul
53:38
Speaker 5: play involved in these And again my mind goes to espionage,
53:42
Speaker 5: but I'm not ruling out other possibilities.
53:44
Speaker 1: And to Georgia Bradburne joining US, host of a hit podcast, Liminality,
53:50
Speaker 1: who has been investigating the death of Aiden. Georgia, what
53:56
Speaker 1: do his friends, what does his girlfriend think happened?
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Speaker 4: I have spoken to his friends. They have questions, they
54:04
Speaker 4: have concerns, they want some answers.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything regarding the
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Speaker 1: death and the disappearances of these scientists. Please di'll toll free.
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Speaker 1: That's one eight hundred call FBI eight hundred two two
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Speaker 1: five three two four. We remember an American hero Officer,
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Speaker 1: Amy Caprio, Baltimore County PD, just twenty nine, killed in
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Speaker 1: the line of duty after three years, leaving behind her
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Speaker 1: husband Tim. American hero Officer Amy Caprio. Thank you to
54:48
Speaker 1: all of our esteemed guests joining us tonight, but especially
54:51
Speaker 1: to you for being with us. Nancy Gray signing off
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Speaker 1: for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then,
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Speaker 1: good night friend,