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Ep. 06: Obesity, Body Image & Remembering the Meat Suit · age

• 0:00
  My favorite part of the episode was Dylan saying a word that she thought was one word, but it was actually someone else.
• 0:12
  Yeah, that was pretty good. Tim?
• 0:14
  My favorite part was just coming to terms with like some emotions about the subject we were talking about.
• 0:20
  Even Mary and me both felt like we were going to cry at some points and that was special.
• 0:23
  I didn't know you were going to cry.
• 0:25
  My favorite part was breaking the fifth wall and calling Will Diva.
• 0:29
  That was a highlight for me too.
• 0:32
  Yeah, you guys had some really interesting conversations today, but I think my favorite part was teaching you guys some gay slang.
• 0:38
  Thank you.
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  I'm being called Diva.
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  And my, I think my favorite part was after the episode where I said I wanted to cry a couple of times and I'm really like, I wish you had.
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  And now I want to try thinking about it. It was really good.
• 0:52
  Yeah, this, this third time really feels like it's going to be, but this is the fourth time.
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  Fourth time.
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  Don't tell me that, Dylan.
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  We almost started without Dylan today because there was torrential rain in Western North Carolina and we weren't sure she was going to make it.
• 1:21
  So glad she didn't get it.
• 1:22
  Yeah, oh my gosh.
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  I went through the torrentias to get here today and we're very thankful.
• 1:27
  Yeah.
• 1:28
  Also, we haven't talked about it, but like our windows didn't leak.
• 1:32
  Oh, I didn't notice that.
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  Moses came in over the weekend to do a test to make sure he did say, I think he said there were minor leaks on these two, I think.
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  But he said, not so bad.
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  They're going to, they're going to still address it.
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  We're on high ground.
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  We won't call it again.
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  So our windows aren't leaking.
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  You may have noticed something else is new on the podcast.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Now this actually sounds old.
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  You look good.
• 2:00
  Thanks.
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  Before we get too carried away, I should probably say welcome to age the podcast.
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  I'm Mary Greene.
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  And I'm joined by my colleagues, Tim's Grogs, Reggie Tidwell and Dylan Garcia.
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  And as you've probably gathered, we are here in our studio, such as it is.
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  That's getting improved every day.
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  I'm also very excited that the packing blanket moved from here to here so we can see Will.
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  Oh, sounds good.
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  That's true.
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  I will.
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  A big day for me.
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  Yeah.
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  The pack of blinking is our soundproof because I'm sure people are like packing blanket.
• 2:33
  Oh, yeah.
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  It's our sound dampening.
• 2:36
  Don't know.
• 2:37
  It could be like Linus.
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  Yeah.
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  He has that blanket with him.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  That's our security blanket.
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  It is in a way.
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  So we, on this podcast, we talk about a range of topics.
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  We've put a bunch of topics in a trash can.
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  And we're going to pull one out today and see what comes out.
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  I think this is my first time actually reaching in to grab the topic.
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  Just see how you're feeling.
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  It's like some magic to it.
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  Like a lottery.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, that's so exciting for today.
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  Okay.
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  Those that don't know, we see these topics for the first time right now.
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  Hang on.
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  I also want to.
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  And we haven't seen them.
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  I don't know when it focuses.
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  So I'm just going to focus on it.
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  Oh, you do it.
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  You do it so naturally.
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  Oh, okay.
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  Now show it to us.
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  Today's topic is obesity.
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  Oh, man.
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  GLP ones are on the rise, ladies and gentlemen.
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  That's a heavy one.
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  Oh, my.
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  Where to begin?
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  That was a joke.
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  That's not like a joke.
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  Oh, I didn't even hear what you said.
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  She said that's a heavy one.
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  I was in my own head, man.
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  Thank you.
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  You got to bring me back out.
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  Yeah, obesity is so touchy.
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  I feel like.
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  Super touchy.
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  It can be.
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  Yeah.
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  I don't know.
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  I think I'm probably.
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  I haven't looked at my BMI recently because you don't need to know.
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  But I'm probably technically obese.
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  Like by the.
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  I'm obese.
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  Yeah.
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  By.
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  Yeah.
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  My BMI is like 27.
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  Yeah, we're just so.
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  So is this word even outdated?
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  Oh, obesity.
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  I don't know.
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  I think it's so.
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  I think the word is out.
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  It's.
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  It's like.
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  It's like through though with this.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, every time I open my phone, it's like.
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  I'm getting pushed.
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  Um.
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  OZMPIC.
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  D-O-P-1.
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  Peptide.
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  Yeah.
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  G-O-P-1.
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  Yeah.
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  OZMPIC.
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  That's like, uh, there's a whole face named after OZMPIC.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Because apparently it does something to your.
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  Just your lose volume.
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  Yeah.
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  I was just talking to someone just like last week and they were on it for a year.
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  And got off of it and gained 30 pounds in one month.
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  Wow.
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  I heard this as well.
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  I was living with a med student when it kind of like came into our head space.
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  Gamed a toddler.
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  She.
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  What?
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  Gamed a toddler.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  That's big.
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  That's a lot.
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  Medium sized dog.
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  That's a lot of big.
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  She's saying to us at that time, she's like, well, it will work to lose weight.
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  But then to manage that weight, you even need to make dramatic lifestyle change.
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  Or you have to stay on it.
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  Yeah.
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  And like, do you have business model?
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  Dude.
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  Oh, they make you need it.
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  Just money like crazy.
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  Well, it's everything else.
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  It's like, you've talked about this before.
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  Like, we're addicted.
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  And, uh, yeah.
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  But if you were going to make the lifestyle change anyway, then I feel like.
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  You mean, pair it together?
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  A lot of people, I think, the lifestyle change is the biggest struggle.
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  And for some people, I think if they could make a lifestyle change, they would see more positive outcomes.
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  I don't know they're always leads to losing weight, but I don't think you would.
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  They're healthier habits that we could all into me.
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  But then there's the whole genetic debate, which I love to hear about because it kind of makes me feel absolved from some of my choices around my weight.
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  Well, first comes to my mind is not to say anything because I have never been obese.
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  And so I don't know that I can even speak to in the experience of being called that in this world, right?
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  Having to endure that as a child.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  And the families, there's, I am very close to people that have larger bodies and it's miserable.
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  I don't know. I was, I'm looking around and I don't imagine any of you were chubby kids.
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  I was a chubby kid.
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  You were. I've seen your picture.
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  I was saying, you were the chusel chubby.
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  I know. I was going to say it was, it was fitting.
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  I love her.
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  But I like had to like put my shoulders down.
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  I just realized I was like, I like clamped up and I clamped up.
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  I'm going to be sweating by the end of this.
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  Yeah, this is a hard one.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's like even, even the idea of like technically I feel like that label applies to me.
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  It has all this connotation that I don't identify with.
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  But I'm even afraid to talk about it.
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  Yeah.
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  Because it feels like I'm, I don't feel like I have the same stigma, like the way that my body is shaped and the hype that I am kind of gives me some permissibility almost versus people who are more obviously
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  obese.
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  And so it almost feels like I am enough on the fringe that I shouldn't even talk about it.
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  I'm seeing a lot of people online talk about them as like mid-size bodies.
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  Instead of like obese or not obese, there's like this in between where you don't.
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  I thought that was a dad vibe.
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  Yeah, kind of, I guess.
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  But there's also like nap genetically predisposed to be like have more meat on your bones.
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  That's the thing.
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  Yeah.
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  So, but I don't know.
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  It's like-
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  Big bones.
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  Yeah.
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  And this-
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  And this is your that turn off.
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  And it goes into labels which we talked about.
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  Yeah.
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  You know that you, that there is one standard that everyone needs to be measured at.
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  And that's when those BMI tests and the things used to take in elementary school back in the old days.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Was all about trying to make everyone the same stats, you know?
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  Yeah.
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  Like you have to be this, this and this.
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  There's like a car.
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  And everyone one needed to be close to the bar.
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  Right, like in cultures around the world, there are people of all different sizes.
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  Absolutely.
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  Well, and I'm going to just, I think this is another episode where I'm like,
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  let me teach something to people that talk about.
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  But I think there's also, so I want to talk about genetics.
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  And I want to talk about how like the word obesity has come to be a shameful thing
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  or like a social, cultural idea.
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  Right.
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  But I want to believe that the beginning of it was about helping people live longer
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  and be healthier.
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  So like I don't want to throw away, I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water
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  and say this word is pure evil and wrong because I do think having a name for it
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  allowed us to identify like what are the behaviors that maybe are exacerbating issues that you have?
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  Right.
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  Like if you're carrying a lot of weight for whatever reason,
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  that's more difficulty on your joints.
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  Absolutely.
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  And like pressure on your heart and all these other things.
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  So there's like tangible connection to it.
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  And I think that's why probably a lot of people who identify or don't identify,
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  as the case may be, with obesity, like there's a lot of shame around it
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  because it is tied to health outcomes.
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  You do feel like a less healthy person.
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  But the thing that drives me crazy about this whole thought is that the entire fat free movement
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  that started in like the 90s or whatever it was.
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  What didn't even make sense?
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  No, it worked the mark from a marketing standpoint.
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  Absolutely.
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  People bought it a lot of times.
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  And now wellness movements are making the similar amount of waves in the world
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  about being well and being fit and being strong and protein.
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  All these things that the capitalistic engine jumps onto.
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  But when the fat free movement started, you know, like sugar-free sodas,
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  like Diet Coke and fat free milk.
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  Fat free cookies.
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  Fat free cookies.
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  No one, people jumped on it.
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  And later, a lot of the evidence was proven wrong.
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  Because the body needs fat to actually think in the process.
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  And to actually lose weight, there's a certain amount of fat you need.
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  Absolutely.
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  So a lot of people struggling from the side effects of giving fat free,
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  of not having enough fat.
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  Right.
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  I think we talked about this on an episode that we haven't released.
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  And maybe we'll get Balzy and just release it one day.
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  I don't know.
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  But talking about ultra-process foods and how like fat free is one of the things
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  that just pushed us further into corporations like meddling with what's in stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  And now it's a big is taking the same approach that fat free diets
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  and then all the other things are just feeding on the insecurities of people.
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  And I'm so angry that that's the way capitalism has chosen to market,
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  has to run the market based on these insecurities.
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  Yeah.
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  Like you're not good enough, you need this.
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  Like you watch any amazing singer at a normal size,
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  over time we'll get smaller in the public eye.
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  Right.
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  Either they're very unhappy and not eating,
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  or there's a pressure to be small.
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  Yeah.
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  There absolutely is a pressure.
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  Yeah.
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  Or like, is it Serena Williams who did the GLP one?
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  Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, I saw that was a similar way.
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  How's that playing out?
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  Not good.
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  I mean, as someone who did the whole sports world thing and everything like that,
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  there's always like the stigmatism that like smaller is better,
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  especially as a woman who never want to like become muscular,
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  you never want to look manly,
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  because that's also a different stigmatism on top of it.
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  But she did that deal.
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  It was during the Super Bowl, the doves' folk commercial just came out with all the girls
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  saying that like 73 percent of women quit sports
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  because of like something said about their body.
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  Yeah.
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  And then it cuts to Serena Williams and injecting herself with a GLP shot.
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  And like Serena Williams is like one of the most iconic female athletes.
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  Yeah.
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  And she's super fit.
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  Can whack a tennis ball, probably.
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  Like and it's just, it's really hard.
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  And she had a strong body.
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  She has a very strong body.
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  But now she's in retirement.
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  Things are starting to move slower.
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  Menopause is coming in.
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  Things are happening.
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  It's a pressure.
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  It's the hardest day ahead of what bodily changes she may have.
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  It isn't so hard.
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  Supplementing.
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  Yeah, I'm so sorry.
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  No, no, that's all I was saying.
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  Yeah, but I just, it made me think,
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  isn't it so strange?
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  Here's four people with no real investments in Serena Williams' life.
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  Sitting here talking about her body.
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  Yeah.
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  Like it's her body.
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  But whatever she wants in it.
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  Like, isn't that wild that I feel like I,
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  that's like a topic to bring.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  No, it is.
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  Like we're talking about it.
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  There's a period of people talking about your body this morning, Serena.
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  Yeah.
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  That's still sad.
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  Not that it's like off limits, but that we think our opinion,
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  that we get to have an opinion.
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  Oh, hot take in the coming.
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  Yeah, so hot casts are only good.
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  And people click on them if everyone is in disagreement.
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  Right?
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  It's too nice here right now.
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  Controversial.
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  So what I'm going to do is I'm going to go back into,
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  because I was an arrogant asshole when I was younger.
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  And people didn't like me because of this.
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  No way.
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  Yeah.
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  What gave that away?
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  What gave that away?
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  You feel that energy?
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  Yeah, well.
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  What is this?
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  All right, so I guess it's not such shocking news.
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  Maybe I have some work to do.
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  A lot of work to do.
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  We love you too.
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  I think I'll just speak of my own experience.
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  Okay, so.
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  Sorry, I was a fat.
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  I agree.
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  You thought it just let me come and go ahead.
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  Sorry.
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  I grew up in the fat free movement.
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  So it was okay to call people fat.
• 13:45
  Oh, yeah.
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  It was okay to call people gay.
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  It was okay to do a lot of things that I would never do now.
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  Not call people gay.
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  Like, that's fine now.
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  But to use it as a derogatory statement, like, that is gay.
• 13:56
  Yeah.
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  Like, that was okay when I was a kid.
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  Wrong.
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  All the way down.
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  That's what I was going to say.
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  The technique was never okay.
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  Well, I was just okay.
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  It's doing it.
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  It's saying it.
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  I'm sorry.
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  But I'm all you arrogant, asshole.
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  I guess.
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  I really put you off.
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  I'm so sorry.
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  It's fine.
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  We need to be off.
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  We need to come into some like this authenticity of who we are.
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  You're right.
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  You're welcome.
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  Yes.
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  So I have been struggling probably from my younger mind and my younger body with myself getting.
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  I know we call myself better than I normally am.
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  In sections you can't see.
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  Not so much here.
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  Not so much here.
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  Not so much here.
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  Not so much here.
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  No, this is stupid.
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  This is stupid because people who actually have suffered under the social anxieties of this topic,
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  or the social hate of the people of this sort of thing.
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  Anyway, they look at me like I'm an idiot
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  because I am not,
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  there's nothing that I can experience in that that relates.
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  See, I feel similarly though.
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  Like there's a line that you cross
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  where like actually do I get permission
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  to feel bad about my body
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  or do I just need to suck it up and move on
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  because other people feel worse about their bodies.
• 15:16
  Yeah, I know.
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  And so I've noticed it's harder to,
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  now it's better because Reggie and I work out
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  so this is something that really
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  built up a relationship.
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  Tim and I,
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  Tim over there.
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  This is all of a strange number.
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  I don't work out with Tim over here.
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  No, but the thing is I started noticing,
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  it was harder for me to like get my shoes on.
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  To bend over was harder than it used to be.
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  This is stupid, right?
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  But it is real.
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  No, no, leaning over like this
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  and putting my shoes on was perfect.
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  And I started noticing much in the way.
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  And I started, yeah,
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  because I had more in the way
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  than I used to when I was younger,
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  because I grew up a very skinny kid.
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  My whole life.
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  So I noticed it and I noticed that my parents
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  have gotten bigger over time.
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  And that's a scary moment.
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  Right here, like there's a picture of my future.
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  Yes, and so I got worried
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  that the 40s are when things start to go downhill.
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  I'm in that way about the 30s, baby.
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  Just wait until your 40s.
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  So I have no luck.
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  I have no future.
• 16:22
  You're tiny though, Dylan.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And that's not a good or bad thing.
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  It's just like, I know what you are.
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  I mean, I was just going to party.
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  I was in a party last two days ago
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  and someone says, you're so beautiful.
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  And someone else said, does that even matter though?
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  And I was like,
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  they said this to you?
• 16:39
  No, they said it to my daughter.
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  Oh, okay.
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  So you're so beautiful.
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  Notice how we left that part out when he first said it.
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  And I tell her that all the time,
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  but I think there's an expectation set
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  and you always have to be beautiful.
• 16:49
  Oh, definitely.
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  It wasn't like your beautiful, deeply beautiful.
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  It was like, you put your makeup on, you did your hair,
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  you got your dress up, you're so beautiful.
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  And then someone looked at her and says,
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  but does that even matter?
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  Yeah, it's funny.
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  And I was like, does it even matter?
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  When people say that to my kids,
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  like especially my girl kids are like,
• 17:07
  oh my god, you're so beautiful.
• 17:09
  I was like, she's really smart too.
• 17:10
  Like, you mean, you know, just because I don't want,
• 17:13
  like the kid, because she's receiving that compliment,
• 17:17
  I also want her to know that life isn't just about beauty.
• 17:22
  Like, I want her to think about being smart.
• 17:24
  What?
• 17:25
  You tell your kids they're smart.
• 17:25
  It can take away their ability to have a growth mindset.
• 17:29
  Really?
• 17:30
  Yeah, because the pressure to be smart.
• 17:32
  Interesting.
• 17:33
  But they're smart already.
• 17:35
  I know, but that's hard to communicate.
• 17:36
  That's why they say now in child rearing,
• 17:39
  call anymore, that's like an old rearing.
• 17:41
  Rearing my child.
• 17:42
  A rearing children.
• 17:43
  They say instead of you did so good,
• 17:46
  actually smart, did it.
• 17:48
  Did it.
• 17:49
  What happened?
• 17:50
  She got up and did something.
• 17:52
  I thought she was about to leave.
• 17:54
  Can I get comfy cozy over there?
• 17:55
  What did you say now that an arrogant asshole?
• 17:57
  Have y'all heard about like when you wear baggy jeans,
• 18:00
  you get like a genus and it like,
• 18:02
  oh god.
• 18:03
  Oh god, I like, I stood up to like,
• 18:07
  get comfortable.
• 18:09
  Yeah, in public, by the way.
• 18:11
  And then Reggie's like,
• 18:13
  are you gonna leave?
• 18:14
  And I was like, I think I should.
• 18:16
  Maybe it's time.
• 18:17
  Yeah, but there's your genus on our podcast.
• 18:19
  That's bold.
• 18:22
  Anyway, it's like we get,
• 18:24
  it's hard to talk now these days.
• 18:27
  I don't know what to tell my children.
• 18:29
  Yeah.
• 18:29
  I don't know if I can tell them they're beautiful
• 18:31
  or if they can tell them they're smart
• 18:33
  or tell them they're good at sports.
• 18:34
  Like can I say anything to them?
• 18:35
  Except just say, hi, I am dad.
• 18:38
  I feel like we are son.
• 18:40
  Hi dad, I'm older.
• 18:41
  And we're daughter.
• 18:42
  I feel like all these studies just do that.
• 18:45
  They make us insecure to be able to speak.
• 18:47
  Now I feel like it has more to do with your intention.
• 18:50
  Like if you are, like obviously I'm not trying
• 18:53
  to limit my kid's growth mindset by saying,
• 18:56
  but she's also smart.
• 18:58
  I think there's something in the delivery
• 19:01
  and the intention of things that are being said.
• 19:03
  And that I think is what matters most
• 19:05
  because if we start policing ourselves so much
• 19:08
  and I don't mean in a PC way,
• 19:10
  but just in a well-intentioned delivery
• 19:13
  of something that you're saying,
• 19:15
  you're like, oh, should I have said that?
• 19:17
  Man, how awful of a life is that?
• 19:20
  I just feel like that makes it really challenging
• 19:22
  to have normal and authentic conversations.
• 19:25
  I think so too.
• 19:26
  Yeah.
• 19:27
  Well, and it's one thing, I think that there,
• 19:30
  I suffer from this, the thing that you're describing
• 19:32
  where it's like, oh, I don't feel like I'm allowed to say,
• 19:35
  or it's not allowed.
• 19:37
  It's not like there's somebody taking away my permission,
• 19:39
  but out of my love and care for other people,
• 19:41
  I don't want to harm someone with my words.
• 19:44
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:45
  And weirdly, this gets worse the closer to my family it gets
• 19:48
  when you think it would go the other way.
• 19:50
  I just mean to say that like,
• 19:52
  it gets in the way of intimacy.
• 19:54
  It gets in the way of like being fully with someone
• 19:57
  because I'm afraid of being misunderstood
• 19:59
  or misinterpreted.
• 20:00
  Exactly.
• 20:01
  I can't say, you feel like you're walking an egg shelf?
• 20:04
  Yeah, and to feel that within your own family dynamic,
• 20:07
  at home is really hard.
• 20:09
  Yeah, I'd almost rather say the thing with well intention,
• 20:13
  and then if someone finds it offending,
• 20:15
  then talk about it, like walk it back,
• 20:18
  and be in that moment where we can say
• 20:21
  what our intentions were, and also be apologetic
• 20:24
  if it was received in the way that you didn't intend.
• 20:27
  Here's the thing though, if you're 10 years old
• 20:29
  and your dad's treating you or saying a certain thing to you,
• 20:33
  you're not thinking about what that means.
• 20:36
  And so then you get into your late 20s, early 30s
• 20:39
  and you're in therapy and suddenly you're like,
• 20:41
  actually, that bothered me and that was not okay.
• 20:44
  But I wasn't able for whatever reason
• 20:46
  or whatever to voice that.
• 20:48
  And so now you've got all this resentment maybe
• 20:51
  that you have to work through.
• 20:52
  But I agree with you that all you can do
• 20:55
  is the best intention thing,
• 20:57
  and then try your best to keep connection.
• 21:00
  That to me is the moment's gonna come.
• 21:03
  Somebody's kid is gonna yell at him about something
• 21:06
  when they're in their 30s or something.
• 21:09
  But I think there is no controlling it.
• 21:12
  There is no perfect scenario.
• 21:15
  So this comes back to the ruthless authenticity thing.
• 21:17
  It's like all you can do is be the best you can be,
• 21:19
  hope it works out for people.
• 21:22
  But I am afraid when you start to get further away from my family,
• 21:26
  I think the stakes are actually kind of low
• 21:27
  with my family because actually if I piss them off,
• 21:30
  I do think we'd find a way to get over it.
• 21:31
  Right, there's an understanding.
• 21:33
  There's a foundation of forgiveness and acceptance and love.
• 21:36
  It might take us some time or not very practice that it,
• 21:38
  but I think we would give that.
• 21:39
  But isn't that a deeper thing to bring up about?
• 21:43
  The connection that we have as humans.
• 21:45
  And I've noticed this in my family
• 21:47
  that people are stronger in their opinion
• 21:51
  about things are not connected to.
• 21:53
  So if you have a friend, let's just,
• 21:56
  I mean, I brought up being gay in my family,
• 21:58
  growing up Christian, that was wrong.
• 22:00
  But we had a gay guy come into our youth group.
• 22:05
  We were calling everything gay.
• 22:07
  He told us, guys, I am gay.
• 22:09
  And that really hurts my feelings.
• 22:10
  Which by the way.
• 22:11
  Which was awesome in our church youth group at church.
• 22:15
  So it was like this like revolutionary moment for me.
• 22:18
  And suddenly my mind is a 15 year old or 16 year old,
• 22:20
  and I was like, my mind's open, it's blown.
• 22:24
  And I was like, this is insane.
• 22:26
  And I felt it was very like an awareness
• 22:29
  happened in my whole being.
• 22:31
  Good on him for calling it out though.
• 22:33
  Where does he now?
• 22:34
  I know, but he probably is like running the world.
• 22:36
  Yeah, right.
• 22:37
  He knows who he is.
• 22:38
  He's a slow person.
• 22:39
  But he opened my eyes.
• 22:41
  And what I began to see is that to love a person,
• 22:44
  to be connected to a person,
• 22:46
  connect you to the subject matter, more than the subject.
• 22:50
  So we study subjects like, how to train your children.
• 22:52
  But you're not connected to my children.
• 22:55
  I know you have your ideas about what this may do,
• 22:59
  and that may do, and you don't know your studies.
• 23:01
  But we're also uniquely connected, like little universes
• 23:05
  in each other's orbits.
• 23:06
  And so when that was said to me,
• 23:09
  I saw even my dad would say things intensely in a vacuum.
• 23:15
  But then I'd see him with someone who he was saying these things about.
• 23:18
  Not he would never say something directly about someone particularly,
• 23:21
  but about a group, a label or a category of people.
• 23:25
  And then I'd see him with someone in that group
• 23:27
  and completely compassionate and loving.
• 23:30
  And I was like, this is where we're missing it.
• 23:34
  Because the more disconnected we become,
• 23:35
  to anyone who's being called obese,
• 23:37
  or what obesity means,
• 23:39
  when we talk about it between us,
• 23:42
  none of us are obese, it's like we're not connected to it.
• 23:45
  You tell that to my smart scale.
• 23:47
  He's not obese.
• 23:50
  My wife, she got a scale,
• 23:53
  and she's like, yeah, buy a scale, put it on the floor.
• 23:56
  And also, she was like, wait a minute.
• 23:57
  Do I want our kids to be seeing us weighing ourselves?
• 24:00
  Yeah.
• 24:01
  Is that something they need to see or be worried about?
• 24:04
  I think that that's something that's important.
• 24:05
  That's even matters, right?
• 24:06
  And so we hit it in our closet.
• 24:08
  Oh, that's hilarious.
• 24:09
  It's too hard on a own.
• 24:11
  It's wild.
• 24:12
  Well, I want to just as a maybe hopeful thing
• 24:17
  in this leads to the topic that I've been trying to bring up,
• 24:19
  which is genetics.
• 24:20
  But I think that I read a study one time.
• 24:23
  Sorry, I did read a study.
• 24:25
  I don't think that I read a study when I was in school.
• 24:28
  And it talked about how civil rights for queer people
• 24:33
  have progressed so much more quickly
• 24:34
  than civil rights for black people,
• 24:37
  or even necessarily women, or some of these other groups.
• 24:40
  And part of it was this connection thing
• 24:44
  that you were talking about, how, you know,
• 24:46
  if you're not from a family of black people,
• 24:49
  or if you don't marry into a black family,
• 24:51
  you might not ever interact with that community.
• 24:54
  But anybody's son can be gay.
• 24:56
  Nobody's daughter can end up a lesbian, you know?
• 24:58
  Across the demographics.
• 25:00
  And it's not, I mean, in so far as we even tell,
• 25:02
  a genetic thing.
• 25:03
  It's like, oh, this could sort of be anybody,
• 25:06
  and it could look like somebody that you already see.
• 25:08
  Yeah.
• 25:09
  It's like not, it's unrelated.
• 25:11
  So there are people, right?
• 25:12
  So that's what helped it progress at the rate that it did.
• 25:15
  Now that's not to say that it's interesting.
• 25:17
  Because people would have loved ones,
• 25:18
  and they would understand.
• 25:20
  Yeah, and they fought tooth and nail.
• 25:22
  Like I want to, like, go on record and be like,
• 25:24
  Stonewall was badass.
• 25:25
  But I'm just saying that's an interesting thing to me
• 25:29
  that like, oh, because everybody could know somebody,
• 25:32
  it made it easier to relate.
• 25:34
  And I wonder about obesity because it does run in families,
• 25:38
  and there is a theory, and I don't know,
• 25:40
  maybe it's been proven by now about epigenetics
• 25:42
  and about historic ancestral trauma and famine,
• 25:47
  and like the ways that our biology has been trained
• 25:51
  over generations to behave, I don't know.
• 25:55
  Maybe it's like, if you're from an obese family,
• 25:58
  you have less judgment about that.
• 25:59
  But if you're from a really thin, athletic family, you do.
• 26:03
  So I wonder if that concept works against us there as well.
• 26:07
  I wonder, I don't know.
• 26:08
  That's a beautiful point to agree on,
• 26:11
  because that love, I mean, that understanding
• 26:15
  that comes from, like, if I hadn't buried into my wife's family,
• 26:19
  I would have, I would probably be speaking so much trash
• 26:22
  right now about this subject.
• 26:23
  Really?
• 26:24
  Yes, it has brought me, because my wife's sister
• 26:27
  is a body positive person, and she has let me in
• 26:31
  on her experience, and it's terrible.
• 26:34
  Yeah.
• 26:35
  Like even her experience with her, with her family.
• 26:38
  It's not just in the world.
• 26:39
  It's literally like we're all brainwashed.
• 26:41
  We don't even understand the influence been on us,
• 26:44
  that we judge people by their outer appearance, by their body.
• 26:48
  And just in our industry too alone,
• 26:50
  like especially in marketing, like, good heavens,
• 26:54
  the way they push all the thin bodies and all the like,
• 26:58
  there's a whole, I do know having a daughter that is a model
• 27:03
  that, and being close to industry just through her experiences,
• 27:06
  that there has been a shift in narrative,
• 27:09
  like the, what they call it, the, oh.
• 27:16
  This is really good podcasting.
• 27:17
  It's like, don't you love it?
• 27:19
  Yeah, yeah, it's, you can get it, you can get it.
• 27:21
  It's the, it's the, it's a problem.
• 27:23
  Something cheek.
• 27:24
  No, cheek.
• 27:25
  They're, what is it?
• 27:26
  Parallel cheek.
• 27:28
  Parallel cheek.
• 27:29
  You're so deep up.
• 27:30
  Really thin and overly, not deep up.
• 27:33
  Yeah, like that is like kind of frowned upon now.
• 27:37
  Like they, they seem to be moving away from what could be seen,
• 27:41
  you know, deemed as unhealthy the other way.
• 27:44
  Like overly thin, tooth and not, you know.
• 27:47
  That's an interesting topic though.
• 27:49
  Have you ever heard of the thing about skinny girls?
• 27:51
  No, I stay here about skinny girls.
• 27:54
  Yeah, what is the, they get made fun of in the same way that big girls
• 27:58
  make fun of?
• 27:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:00
  And it was, there was this whole thing about bullying.
• 28:02
  Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 28:03
  Well, you see, I, I also remember hearing stories about that,
• 28:07
  like my mom was a skinny kid growing up
• 28:09
  and she got made fun of in the 70s, I guess.
• 28:13
  And then when I was growing up in the 90s and early 2000s,
• 28:17
  nobody got made fun of for being stick thin.
• 28:19
  Oh, right.
• 28:20
  That was cool because they shifted.
• 28:23
  It was amazing.
• 28:24
  It was like they were putting in your face.
• 28:26
  Like you look at, you know, in Milan or New York Fashion Week,
• 28:30
  everybody coming down the runway was like incredibly thin.
• 28:33
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:34
  And like I grew up watching seasons upon seasons of America's
• 28:38
  next top model, you know, like Tyra Banks.
• 28:41
  Tyra Banks.
• 28:42
  Tyra Banks.
• 28:43
  Yeah, one of my friends was on there actually.
• 28:44
  She's an ash villain.
• 28:46
  Really?
• 28:47
  And she was very thin and very fit, you know.
• 28:50
  That was just, that's just that whole industry.
• 28:54
  Is it weird that the topic wasn't obesity in women,
• 28:57
  but we're only talking about women?
• 28:58
  Yeah.
• 28:59
  Well, I was going to shift.
• 29:00
  It's just one of the things I was going to bring up
• 29:02
  was that there are other communities and other countries
• 29:09
  that don't seem to have the same body makeup
• 29:12
  that we have in America.
• 29:13
  What do you guys think about that?
• 29:14
  Do you think that in America or Capita in America
• 29:18
  that bodies are bigger?
• 29:20
  Or do you think this is a global makeup?
• 29:24
  America has no obesity problem.
• 29:25
  Yeah, like that's been the narrative that like you go to Capita
• 29:28
  and in Japan, like they don't have as many big chalky, you know.
• 29:33
  A lot about the gold.
• 29:34
  Oh, I was there.
• 29:35
  You were really fun.
• 29:36
  You're going to go and I went and literally,
• 29:39
  while we were traveling in Europe,
• 29:40
  yeah, may and my wife lost weight the whole time.
• 29:44
  And as soon as we got back in America,
• 29:45
  she started gaining weight again.
• 29:46
  And you think this looks better?
• 29:47
  How crazy is that?
• 29:49
  How much better out there?
• 29:50
  Like, that's the thing.
• 29:51
  And no changes except food.
• 29:53
  You know, it's funny.
• 29:54
  I mean, some walk.
• 29:55
  There was like less walking.
• 29:56
  Walking makes it huge.
• 29:57
  And walking.
• 29:58
  Here's a theory.
• 29:59
  I haven't been gluten-free since 2012.
• 30:02
  I'm well versed on the subject.
• 30:05
  One of the things I've done for you is that in Europe,
• 30:09
  they only live in 6% of the gluten protein that we do,
• 30:13
  which means they don't have as much gluten.
• 30:15
  And I've heard of people that have gluten sensitivities
• 30:18
  going to other countries, going to Europe
• 30:22
  and eating pastries and breads and pastas
• 30:25
  and not having a reaction to it.
• 30:27
  And gluten, I know, when I was gluten,
• 30:30
  when I was doing this, yeah, when I was gluten.
• 30:33
  I'm doing gluten every day.
• 30:35
  When I was a glutenous individual.
• 30:39
  Go ahead, Reggie.
• 30:40
  I was bigger.
• 30:41
  As a matter of fact, there's a photo of me
• 30:43
  where I modeled for W and C magazine.
• 30:46
  We had this whole, like, out.
• 30:47
  Oh, so fat.
• 30:48
  And they called me into bottling for some reasons.
• 30:51
  No, I'm dead serious.
• 30:52
  We had this outdoor, you're not qualified to talk about this.
• 30:56
  We had an outdoor apparel shoot that we did.
• 30:59
  And I was about 217 in during that shoot.
• 31:03
  And my face is all jowly and big.
• 31:07
  Like, you wouldn't recognize me in the photo.
• 31:09
  How old are you then?
• 31:10
  I was maybe mid 30s.
• 31:13
  Yeah, youth face is, that's what they're trying to do now
• 31:16
  with the cheeks.
• 31:17
  Youth face is bigger than older face.
• 31:21
  Possibly, but one of the, but here's what I will tell you
• 31:26
  is that that same year was when I actually,
• 31:30
  within a few months, I quit gluten.
• 31:33
  And the jowly and the jowlyness went away
• 31:36
  and never came back.
• 31:37
  It was like a drug.
• 31:38
  It never came back.
• 31:39
  Because gluten is a natural.
• 31:41
  Is that what you're saying?
• 31:42
  Is that what you're saying?
• 31:43
  Is that what you're saying?
• 31:44
  Is that what you're saying?
• 31:45
  Gluten is a natural inflammatory.
• 31:49
  And I think it doesn't just inflame like joints.
• 31:52
  It inflames tissue.
• 31:53
  And so your tissue, everything is just more swollen.
• 31:58
  You know somebody that eats a ton of like pastas
• 32:01
  and breads and stuff like that.
• 32:03
  They have this typically.
• 32:04
  They're sort of joking.
• 32:06
  I don't know.
• 32:07
  I don't know how to say that.
• 32:08
  You don't know.
• 32:09
  I don't think so.
• 32:10
  I don't think that's true.
• 32:11
  Are you going to do a deli look to study?
• 32:12
  I have a deli look.
• 32:14
  Because there's so many, like, spelt, it's pasta.
• 32:20
  It's pasta.
• 32:21
  There's so many like toned, thin, beautiful,
• 32:24
  I'm going to say Italian women and men.
• 32:26
  That's true.
• 32:27
  That's a lot of men.
• 32:28
  So I think there probably is something around me.
• 32:30
  They're probably importing their shit from Italy.
• 32:32
  You know, it's probably good stuff.
• 32:34
  But I think you're right.
• 32:36
  There's like a histamine response thing
• 32:38
  that happens in the body.
• 32:39
  And I think it affects different people.
• 32:40
  Oh, absolutely.
• 32:41
  I 100% agree with you.
• 32:43
  I would say I like what you brought up
• 32:44
  that it was an, you were infilling inflamed.
• 32:47
  Yeah.
• 32:47
  So I think that it's not that you wanted to be less jowly.
• 32:52
  I do want to be less jowly.
• 32:53
  I mean, but why?
• 32:54
  I mean, this is, this is the topic.
• 32:56
  I think this is very relevant to our industry
• 32:59
  because of branding, branding.
• 33:02
  I don't know why I said that way.
• 33:03
  Branding.
• 33:04
  Branding.
• 33:05
  Brand is a, is assumed a surface thing
• 33:09
  in typical markets, in our market.
• 33:11
  It's becoming a deeper thing.
• 33:13
  And it needs to be a deeper thing.
• 33:14
  I think it's the only way it works.
• 33:15
  But the outside appearance is still important to everyone.
• 33:19
  Oh, yeah.
• 33:20
  So jowly and this meant something to you.
• 33:22
  It made you feel less valuable.
• 33:24
  It shouldn't have.
• 33:26
  But if your body doesn't feel good,
• 33:29
  if your body is feeling inflamed,
• 33:31
  if your knees are feeling inflamed,
• 33:33
  if things aren't working right,
• 33:35
  then that is another topic, the obesity.
• 33:37
  Oh, yeah, no.
• 33:38
  Because that's something that everyone wants to feel good.
• 33:42
  Right, no one wants to suffer and be in pain.
• 33:45
  Yeah, you don't want to be in pain.
• 33:46
  You don't want to have inflamed achy joints.
• 33:48
  Right, so in, so a little bit of,
• 33:51
  in this is, I hope no one takes this
• 33:52
  as me being able to relate to what it is to be obese.
• 33:55
  But I have noticed in working out,
• 33:57
  I have not been able to change what's changing
• 34:00
  about me in my forties.
• 34:02
  So it gives me a sense of metabolism slowed down.
• 34:05
  It gives me a sense of what it feels like
• 34:06
  to be out of control with how your body is behaving
• 34:10
  or how your body is shaped,
• 34:13
  or how your body is changing.
• 34:15
  So this happens in women too
• 34:17
  when they go to the menopause and puberty
• 34:19
  and different things.
• 34:19
  And it happens to men.
• 34:20
  But I'm just saying that when you get into a situation
• 34:22
  where you want to change things,
• 34:25
  you are working out, I'm trying to watch right,
• 34:28
  all the things, but nothing's changing.
• 34:31
  There's a certain level of hopelessness that comes in.
• 34:34
  Oh, yeah.
• 34:35
  Because that is important to be this look
• 34:38
  and this look like you haven't heard.
• 34:40
  And to do change what we think we should look like.
• 34:44
  And I think as we get older,
• 34:45
  it's why people actually start working out more
• 34:47
  as they get older because they're like, oh shit.
• 34:49
  I don't look like I used to.
• 34:51
  I need to get back there.
• 34:52
  There's this fleeting feeling of like, oh my gosh.
• 34:56
  If I don't lose the game, get a control of it now.
• 34:58
  Yeah, I'm gonna become this person
• 35:01
  that doesn't look the way I want them to look.
• 35:04
  It's so tricky though, because I think you're right.
• 35:07
  You said earlier, if your knees wouldn't flamed,
• 35:10
  that's a different topic than obesity.
• 35:12
  Right, let's see.
• 35:13
  And yet, there are things like we mentioned earlier
• 35:16
  in the episode that are linked to obesity.
• 35:19
  So there are these like negative health consequences.
• 35:23
  Never mind, there is this social thing
• 35:26
  that happens to you where you're like,
• 35:28
  well, this is my body.
• 35:30
  They're telling me that I ought to hate this body
• 35:32
  because other people hate this body.
• 35:34
  And now you start to feel distant from it
• 35:37
  and out of control of it.
• 35:39
  So it really creates this like,
• 35:42
  the word that's coming to mind is psychosis,
• 35:44
  which I probably isn't right most of the time,
• 35:48
  but this like cognitive dissonance
• 35:50
  that you live with every single day.
• 35:52
  And like, I'm not saying this as someone who feels,
• 35:56
  I actually am in better shape than I've been in
• 35:58
  in the last five years because COVID, yeah, thank you.
• 36:00
  COVID really like sedentary lifestyle, really bad.
• 36:04
  Why I quit my job.
• 36:05
  But I think that even we talk about my fashion,
• 36:09
  I'm looking at Dylan because I really see her council
• 36:11
  on fashion.
• 36:12
  She's a fashion client.
• 36:13
  Yeah, it's like the clothes that you wear,
• 36:15
  the clothes that you feel like you can buy,
• 36:18
  the confidence you feel about whether or not
• 36:20
  those clothes are gonna fit you in six months
• 36:22
  and do you wanna make the investment now?
• 36:23
  Right.
• 36:24
  Do these clothes look bad on me because I'm fat
• 36:26
  or because I'm too tall or because I'm too short
• 36:29
  or do I need to get them tailored
• 36:30
  or am I just gonna be imperfect forever?
• 36:31
  Is it flattering?
• 36:32
  Yeah, that's the.
• 36:34
  But it is flattering.
• 36:35
  I think that there is a reality.
• 36:38
  I wanna talk about it like all fluffy and,
• 36:41
  oh yeah, it's this thing that we all should be forgiving about
• 36:45
  and it should be, but it is tied to negative health things.
• 36:48
  Okay.
• 36:49
  It needs to be managed.
• 36:50
  I'm gonna say this because this is,
• 36:52
  I don't know this for sure,
• 36:53
  but I will say that my sister-in-law would tell you
• 36:56
  and I would love for her to speak on this
• 36:58
  because she's done the studies in body positive movement.
• 37:02
  They have done studies that disproved the studies
• 37:04
  we think are true about obesity.
• 37:07
  Right.
• 37:08
  And it's in terms of not being healthy.
• 37:09
  Yeah, in terms of not being healthy,
• 37:11
  in terms of affecting your joints,
• 37:13
  in terms of affecting your health,
• 37:14
  I mean, your heart and stuff.
• 37:16
  They have tried to link, why they link these things
• 37:18
  is so that their movements, their capitalistic money grab
• 37:22
  can work.
• 37:23
  If you put people in a state of anxiety over their death,
• 37:29
  you will move them to action.
• 37:31
  I mean, they have done,
• 37:31
  I mean, they watch them happen in climate movements.
• 37:33
  Yeah.
• 37:34
  Like there's a lot of doom and gloom of climate.
• 37:35
  Right. Oh, yeah.
• 37:36
  And so there is, we think,
• 37:38
  and this happens across science,
• 37:39
  like when you knew what I had gone up in school,
• 37:42
  we studied a different science than what is being revealed now.
• 37:45
  And it disproved things.
• 37:46
  We learned as law, scientific law.
• 37:49
  And there's no like startup course
• 37:52
  to like get you up to speed.
• 37:54
  Right.
• 37:55
  What's six degrees?
• 37:55
  But there's also nobody saying,
• 37:57
  we're gonna learn science.
• 37:58
  Now, this is a growing, emerging, evolving field.
• 38:01
  We're gonna tell you what we know right now.
• 38:04
  This may not be true.
• 38:05
  Yeah, you're gonna have to keep your thumb
• 38:06
  on the pulse of the base.
• 38:07
  At some time, you're gonna learn that electrons
• 38:09
  will just disappear and reappear on the other side.
• 38:11
  Yeah.
• 38:12
  In quantum mechanics.
• 38:13
  In quantum mechanics.
• 38:15
  Yeah, quantum physics.
• 38:16
  So the things we learned about being obese,
• 38:20
  even the word obese and what is considered obese,
• 38:24
  that's not the facts.
• 38:25
  Yeah.
• 38:26
  Now, I could totally see that.
• 38:27
  I know people that would be considered themselves
• 38:30
  big, larger people.
• 38:32
  They're totally healthy.
• 38:33
  They move.
• 38:34
  They move.
• 38:35
  They move.
• 38:36
  They work out all the time.
• 38:38
  And they just, this is their body.
• 38:40
  Like this is how they show up.
• 38:42
  That's their shape.
• 38:43
  I'm gonna throw another thing.
• 38:44
  Here's another one to bat around as someone
• 38:47
  who identifies.
• 38:48
  I, in my family, I link obesity to a genetic component.
• 38:55
  Like I just don't think we're small people.
• 38:57
  And I'm actually kind of proud of that part.
• 38:58
  Like, I'm cool to be from a family of giants.
• 39:01
  Larger than that.
• 39:02
  Like, it's fattest.
• 39:03
  I mean, like my mom's five, 10, you know?
• 39:06
  Like, you're not odds with me being tiny.
• 39:08
  We're not odds.
• 39:09
  Yeah.
• 39:10
  And there are plenty of like beautiful people
• 39:13
  that we see as contemporarily, like gorgeous people,
• 39:16
  like models who are tall and big and like have a shape.
• 39:20
  But I think that where it starts to become unhealthy,
• 39:25
  like this is, I'm just trying to establish the divide
• 39:27
  between does obese mean unhealthy.
• 39:30
  And I agree that the answer is no.
• 39:32
  But I do think there is some sort of correlation
• 39:35
  between people who are obese and people who are on some level
• 39:39
  mentally not doing super well.
• 39:42
  And I attribute some of that to addiction.
• 39:45
  And I attribute that addiction genetically, like going back.
• 39:49
  So things like alcoholism or binge eating,
• 39:52
  or like any like coping, yeah, a coping mechanism
• 39:56
  has to do with sedentary behavior or consuming food.
• 40:00
  And I stress a lot of people stress it just
• 40:02
  because they don't feel like the same.
• 40:06
  Wow.
• 40:07
  We should have worn nicer shoes today.
• 40:09
  We're seeing all our lives now.
• 40:11
  A lot of people actually do stress it
• 40:14
  because it's like comforting.
• 40:16
  You tried to feed me a dog treat, and I almost ate it.
• 40:18
  Yeah.
• 40:20
  That's it.
• 40:21
  That was so, I didn't like put it in my mouth,
• 40:25
  but I pulled it out.
• 40:26
  The bag goes like, wait, sorry.
• 40:27
  Reggie is a snack dealer.
• 40:29
  He's like, everybody goes, like, here's a little snack.
• 40:31
  He'll see if you're a Reese's.
• 40:32
  Bad and everybody up.
• 40:33
  Yeah, but.
• 40:34
  No, I'm just trying to keep them healthy
• 40:36
  because I do think people feel happy.
• 40:38
  Yes, food is happiness.
• 40:40
  And I think that's another thing.
• 40:42
  I think there's a whole other side to it where people,
• 40:44
  I know people who are chefs and they are larger people
• 40:50
  and they are healthy and they're cooking food
• 40:53
  and they are that couldn't be happier.
• 40:55
  At least on the outside, like, that's what they're
• 40:58
  projecting.
• 40:59
  I'm gonna say one thing, and I want Dylan to.
• 41:00
  Oh, prepare yourself.
• 41:03
  I want to hear how you feel about obesity
• 41:04
  and your young experience.
• 41:06
  One thing I'm gonna say before you start
• 41:08
  is on the subject of eating, the thing that is most present
• 41:12
  in body positive is intuitive eating.
• 41:15
  When the body knows what to eat.
• 41:17
  And so we've come from a culture where you're trying
• 41:19
  to restrict yourself at every point.
• 41:21
  And it creates a scarcity feeling.
• 41:24
  And it causes a kind of an
• 41:27
  mental, emotional distortion around eating.
• 41:32
  Because you're not supposed to eat that.
• 41:34
  You got to eat limited amount of this.
• 41:35
  You can't touch that.
• 41:36
  No eating after this time.
• 41:37
  All these rules that their body can't
• 41:40
  treat it like eating all the things.
• 41:42
  And it needs things.
• 41:43
  The body needs sugar, fat.
• 41:45
  All the things that we're talking about
• 41:47
  that have been demonized in our world
• 41:49
  have been in our lives for a human kind for all of time.
• 41:55
  So I think there is like an emotional, mental distortion
• 41:58
  that's happened that's causing some unhealthy experiences
• 42:02
  within the body.
• 42:03
  Well, never mind, you might have come in predisposed
• 42:05
  with it like baked in, hardwired,
• 42:08
  and then culture exacerbates it.
• 42:10
  I'm going out of sync here.
• 42:11
  I'm sorry.
• 42:13
  Now I want to hear Dylan.
• 42:14
  Because I really imaged in your...
• 42:16
  I have been listening in on what you guys have said.
• 42:19
  And I'm trying to cultivate my own thoughts.
• 42:25
  But I feel like my friends, my young people
• 42:31
  are on the other end of the emblem.
• 42:33
  Like we're all recovering from our eating disorders
• 42:37
  that were placed on us through sports and through college.
• 42:40
  It's like by trying to push away from obesity
• 42:42
  and take a hold of friends.
• 42:44
  Yeah, so like we've been like on the other side of it.
• 42:47
  And especially like, I think the school did a study
• 42:51
  like 87% of the girls on my team
• 42:54
  like identified with an eating disorder.
• 42:56
  And like our coach didn't even realize it.
• 42:58
  We didn't even realize it.
• 42:59
  We were all just kind of like,
• 43:00
  this is what everybody else is doing.
• 43:02
  That's incredible. Wow.
• 43:04
  Yeah, so it was like we're kind of on this other side
• 43:07
  of the emblem of it.
• 43:08
  And especially just like with athletics
• 43:11
  and like moving and stuff.
• 43:13
  It's been really interesting to like come out of this
• 43:16
  like me and my friends were actually on the phone
• 43:18
  about it last week.
• 43:19
  We were all talking and we're like,
• 43:21
  our bodies are changing.
• 43:22
  We don't look the same as what we did in college.
• 43:25
  And we're like all trying to mentally
• 43:27
  like keep each other accountable
• 43:28
  about like honing into that.
• 43:30
  It's like when you like the pride of your body
• 43:33
  for so long.
• 43:35
  And you talk about like the negative repercussions
• 43:37
  when you guys were talking about like the joint sleep
• 43:39
  and the linking to obesity.
• 43:40
  There's like an other side of the emblem
• 43:42
  where it's like you lose your period.
• 43:45
  Nutrient stops going to the bones.
• 43:47
  Like all that other stuff.
• 43:49
  And it's really hard for me to be like,
• 43:53
  yeah, I don't really know what to say
• 43:54
  other than like there has been like a very shift.
• 43:58
  And I know in a lot of my friend groups,
• 44:00
  there's been a big shift to the other side of the emblem.
• 44:04
  I know one of my friends is getting married
• 44:07
  and she went to her doctor
• 44:09
  and her doctor basically did scribe her.
• 44:12
  I was in big and she's not,
• 44:14
  she's the same size as me for her wedding.
• 44:16
  What?
• 44:17
  And so it's like,
• 44:18
  it's on the other side of an emblem of like
• 44:20
  there is like the scarcity of like
• 44:23
  do not get too big.
• 44:24
  But then it's like what for me
• 44:27
  and like what I hope for like my generation is like
• 44:31
  there's both sides to emblem.
• 44:33
  Like what is the most?
• 44:34
  What are you saying?
• 44:35
  There's both sides to pendulum.
• 44:37
  pendulum.
• 44:38
  Like it swings, but sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 44:39
  You were just saying it.
• 44:40
  I was like, I think I know what this is.
• 44:42
  And then the third time you said it,
• 44:43
  I was like, I'm not sure.
• 44:44
  Yeah, I think for me,
• 44:45
  it's just like there is an extreme.
• 44:47
  It's either obesity or it's anorexia
• 44:49
  whenever you want to call it.
• 44:53
  It's like how can we not get in the middle and be like?
• 44:56
  Yeah.
• 44:57
  I'm going to hone into how my body is going to change.
• 44:59
  I am going to be healthy about it.
• 45:01
  Yeah, I remember looking in the mirror the other day
• 45:04
  and like I had noticed that like,
• 45:07
  I'm going to be honest,
• 45:08
  I've been trying to gang away
• 45:09
  to like be a healthier than where I was.
• 45:12
  If you want help with that,
• 45:14
  I'm happy to be involved.
• 45:15
  And so it wasn't like in like,
• 45:17
  I got you.
• 45:18
  Yeah, but there was also like a guilt and shame
• 45:20
  of like telling my parents that of like,
• 45:23
  I was trying to gang away,
• 45:24
  I was trying to like have a normal cycle,
• 45:26
  I was trying to like get out of this kind of,
• 45:28
  yeah, whatever.
• 45:28
  And they took it to the extreme.
• 45:30
  They were like, no, no, no, no, you can't be doing that.
• 45:33
  So what really like hurt my feelings is that like,
• 45:37
  there's even, and like my parents know that
• 45:39
  we talked about it,
• 45:40
  but there's even like this opinion that like my parents are like,
• 45:43
  no, you need to stay like this,
• 45:44
  because this is how you are.
• 45:46
  This is you in your 20s.
• 45:47
  And I was even like starting to get ashamed of like,
• 45:50
  I could like notice like I was like,
• 45:51
  oh, underneath my neck or whatever.
• 45:53
  And then I looked at my mom and my mom had the same genetics
• 45:55
  as like stuff like that.
• 45:57
  And it's like instead of like wanting to get rid of it,
• 46:00
  I had to start viewing like some parts of my body
• 46:03
  is like, oh, that's my mom's.
• 46:04
  Yeah.
• 46:05
  That's like my dad's or whatever.
• 46:06
  That's like whatever.
• 46:06
  But like I think what I really trying to say
• 46:09
  for like my generation is like there is two extremes
• 46:13
  finding the middle that still works for you.
• 46:15
  I feel like there's so many people
• 46:17
  trying to tell everyone what to do
• 46:19
  that it's hard for you to even like decide.
• 46:22
  Yeah.
• 46:23
  Like I'm making this decision for me
• 46:24
  because I personally think it's okay.
• 46:26
  But then I'm going and telling my parents,
• 46:28
  my parents are like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 46:29
  Like that's like a Downward Hill spiral.
• 46:31
  Like what are you doing?
• 46:32
  And like that's crazy to me that like my parents
• 46:36
  had that fear for myself.
• 46:37
  But then I see it like as we're all talking,
• 46:40
  it's all been a fear for all of us.
• 46:42
  And it's like this outside judge perception.
• 46:45
  But if you feel healthy and you're happy working out,
• 46:47
  I'm not going to tell you stop working out.
• 46:49
  I'm not going to shame you for like more all having lunch.
• 46:52
  You're if you're happy and healthy,
• 46:54
  that's a great decision for you.
• 46:55
  That sounds like what I might take away as you're saying
• 46:58
  is that people need to find their happy balance
• 47:01
  so that they can basically be themselves.
• 47:05
  I think so many people to what you were saying earlier too
• 47:08
  is like we are constantly trying to shift
• 47:12
  because we're being told you can't eat this,
• 47:14
  you can't do this, you can't do that.
• 47:16
  And that puts a lot of pressure on people all the time.
• 47:19
  Like you go out to a restaurant,
• 47:20
  you're like looking at the menu and you get sad
• 47:22
  because you're like, well, that's supposed to have those things.
• 47:25
  But if you find to Dylan's point what works for you,
• 47:29
  regardless, like nobody should have any kind of opinion
• 47:34
  that holds weight in your life about your eating,
• 47:37
  your body, or any of that.
• 47:39
  I love your parents, but I still think like if you were like,
• 47:42
  I want to gain weight, they should feel like, yeah.
• 47:45
  That's what you want to do, do it.
• 47:47
  I think they were more genuinely scared
• 47:49
  of like the negative repercussions that I would have faced.
• 47:51
  Right.
• 47:52
  But imagine if they said I want to lose weight,
• 47:53
  what would the pushback have been?
• 47:55
  My parents would have cried because during my running career,
• 47:58
  they were telling me they're like, you're not healthy.
• 48:00
  Okay.
• 48:01
  So they're like, they're trying to straddle the two things.
• 48:03
  They're straddling at their work.
• 48:04
  So it's like maybe they have their own fear about
• 48:06
  what happens when you get older.
• 48:08
  I think so.
• 48:09
  I think so.
• 48:10
  And so happy medium for you, for themselves.
• 48:12
  Right.
• 48:13
  And I love my parents, like do not give me wrong.
• 48:15
  I love you.
• 48:16
  Oh, they're great, they're great people.
• 48:17
  I learned a lot from them.
• 48:18
  But like the same thing like you were saying,
• 48:20
  it's like we keep being told all this stuff.
• 48:23
  Unless the government is coming to my door and telling me,
• 48:25
  hey, you are being in this study.
• 48:27
  This is what this fit best for you.
• 48:29
  I don't know if I can listen to it anymore.
• 48:31
  And that sounds like such a cheesy bullshit answer.
• 48:34
  But it's like how I'm trying to frame my brain.
• 48:36
  I was just like, if they are not coming to my door,
• 48:39
  personally taking my blood or checking out who I am,
• 48:42
  I don't know if I should listen to it.
• 48:44
  And the reality is, there is a study for everything.
• 48:49
  Almost in the same breath, you can read a study that says,
• 48:52
  carbs are bad for you.
• 48:54
  And then you can literally go find another study that says,
• 48:57
  carbs are good for you.
• 48:58
  And there's this constant back in my mind.
• 48:59
  That's why I think it comes back to what Mary was saying
• 49:01
  when there's connection to people and their experience.
• 49:04
  Because a lot of times people will say they're happy.
• 49:07
  Yeah.
• 49:07
  I'm not eating food.
• 49:09
  Yeah.
• 49:10
  And I'm happy.
• 49:11
  People say that all the time.
• 49:12
  They're like, it's something, it's what someone would say
• 49:15
  when they're at it.
• 49:16
  You go through phases of not eating real food.
• 49:18
  You do a liquid master's.
• 49:20
  Yeah, do the master's.
• 49:20
  So I'm just saying like you can see someone not eating.
• 49:24
  And they're like, yeah, I'm happy.
• 49:26
  But unless you're really close to that person,
• 49:28
  can you tell whether that's true?
• 49:30
  Can you really let him wait until the answer, yeah.
• 49:32
  Exactly.
• 49:33
  We should all be able to do what we want.
• 49:36
  If it doesn't hurt someone else.
• 49:38
  Yes, it doesn't hurt someone else.
• 49:39
  If you want to lose weight, you should be able to do it
• 49:43
  and not be judged by someone like,
• 49:44
  ooh, no, you're bad.
• 49:45
  You shouldn't be doing that.
• 49:47
  But it does get into a weird place when we're influenced
• 49:51
  by such strong forces.
• 49:52
  Such like outside, and I'm gonna bring this to our culture,
• 49:56
  to our industry, marketed, strategically targeted,
• 50:02
  culture, about being thin and being better
• 50:05
  and being smarter and being quicker
• 50:07
  and being a better person for being smaller.
• 50:11
  Like when you fight that all the time,
• 50:13
  how do we know what we want?
• 50:15
  And think about it, marketing certainly is a culprit of this,
• 50:18
  but it really starts even on the playground
• 50:21
  when you're in like elementary school.
• 50:23
  But is it marketing and forming that experience?
• 50:25
  Totally, that's what I'm saying.
• 50:27
  Marketing, so all of it, there's always some outlier
• 50:32
  that is forcing you or talking to you
• 50:35
  about your physical appearance.
• 50:37
  Like I just remember kids in elementary school
• 50:40
  getting picked on because they were larger.
• 50:43
  And I was the guy, because I always went for the underdog.
• 50:48
  I'd always felt like I needed to protect people.
• 50:51
  And I remember getting into this huge fight
• 50:54
  because this one girl was like making fun of this guy
• 50:56
  because he was big and we got into this huge argument
• 50:59
  and there was a big ol' thing.
• 51:03
  And I think that happens in every school,
• 51:07
  happens in every workplace, it happens everywhere.
• 51:10
  We're constantly being influenced by the marketing
• 51:13
  but also by culture and that's the thing
• 51:17
  that puts the cost and pressure on.
• 51:18
  In that instance, when you were growing up,
• 51:20
  where do you think that bully,
• 51:22
  that girl who was making fun of the other guy,
• 51:24
  where do you think those beliefs came from?
• 51:27
  Like what instilled that in her, you think?
• 51:29
  I would imagine it could even be at home.
• 51:31
  Like her parents, yeah, like I'm sure.
• 51:32
  Who are influenced by the marketing?
• 51:34
  Who are influenced by the marketing?
• 51:35
  That's why they think it's literally the market.
• 51:37
  It's generating constantly, yeah.
• 51:39
  Well, this is why all there's all that pressure
• 51:41
  on parents now, right?
• 51:42
  Like we're gonna blame the parents no matter what they do.
• 51:46
  There's also entertainment and media.
• 51:48
  I think there's probably stuff that you're seeing on TV
• 51:51
  that your parents aren't in control of, too.
• 51:54
  There's the simple part of it.
• 51:55
  Oh, yeah, especially with YouTube
• 51:56
  and other social media.
• 51:57
  Oh, yeah.
• 51:58
  But here's something interesting is that there's a,
• 52:01
  I've also, I mean, I've learned a lot from my sister-of-all.
• 52:03
  Anyway, there's a thing about men liking larger women
• 52:07
  but not being able to admit it.
• 52:09
  Yeah.
• 52:10
  So sometimes it's like CD-Fedricized.
• 52:11
  There's CD-like pornography underground thing,
• 52:15
  but the trophy wife is this thin, beautiful person.
• 52:19
  Oh.
• 52:20
  But the men, there's a ton of men
• 52:23
  that actually like a larger woman.
• 52:25
  Yeah, why that should be an underground thing?
• 52:27
  It is because of the market's perception.
• 52:29
  Because of the market.
• 52:30
  Because the woman is supposed to be a certain way
• 52:33
  in the market.
• 52:34
  So what do we do as marketing?
• 52:35
  Like that sells.
• 52:37
  And that they do not show that.
• 52:38
  Is that a big, the larger guy is seen as like successful.
• 52:44
  Oh, he's larger.
• 52:45
  He must have money because he eats and whatever.
• 52:48
  It's such a weird fucking thing in our society.
• 52:51
  Well, it's because it's because women are trophies,
• 52:54
  objects to be purchased or be earned somehow.
• 52:58
  And if you don't have the newest model, who are you?
• 53:02
  A lot of guys with will just, this is a big issue for you.
• 53:06
  Brad Pitt walked in with like some of us like 33 years old.
• 53:09
  Who did?
• 53:09
  Brad Pitt.
• 53:10
  He walked in some event with some of this 33 years old.
• 53:13
  I'm like, I got it.
• 53:13
  He said, Brad.
• 53:14
  I did too.
• 53:16
  I was like, Brad.
• 53:17
  Brad, that's weird about our last conversation.
• 53:20
  Yeah.
• 53:21
  But I'm just saying like, that's your point, like, it's real.
• 53:23
  I can't show that.
• 53:24
  That's such a stigma for going after Jonathan.
• 53:28
  Because youth is such a treasure.
• 53:31
  And there's a charm.
• 53:32
  As soon as they get 25, he like kicks him to the side and goes,
• 53:35
  bring it back to the point.
• 53:36
  He does keep going out with younger women.
• 53:38
  But if he were to start going out with a fat, younger woman,
• 53:40
  that would be a whole different narrative.
• 53:42
  Yeah, cool.
• 53:43
  Like, that's a whole different thing.
• 53:44
  Yeah, I'd be really interested to see how that would pull out.
• 53:47
  But someone has to be the first movers when I'm saying,
• 53:49
  you don't make a trend by everyone abiding by the old trend.
• 53:53
  You don't make a new trend.
• 53:54
  So who is the mover?
• 53:56
  Who's going to make the move?
• 53:58
  Who's going to be the man that says, I like a full figured woman?
• 54:01
  Yeah.
• 54:02
  I don't think that's already happening.
• 54:03
  Oh, I see it.
• 54:04
  Larger.
• 54:05
  Larger.
• 54:06
  No, I'm just saying, where's the brand?
• 54:08
  Where's the movement?
• 54:09
  Where's the influence that you're seeing?
• 54:11
  Yeah.
• 54:12
  I didn't think the market is shifting in the fight.
• 54:14
  And I think it's going to take a while to look at it.
• 54:16
  You don't think it's going to be a shit-don't-back?
• 54:18
  I'm never resentful of this whole conversation
• 54:20
  because we're debating how men are going to pick women.
• 54:23
  I know.
• 54:23
  That's what we're saying.
• 54:24
  The whole thing is fucked up.
• 54:25
  I think it comes down to health and our vision of health
• 54:29
  and beauty.
• 54:30
  And I think that the beliefs about it
• 54:32
  are so like, think about how many products
• 54:35
  on some base layer are marketing to you
• 54:37
  to make healthier choices, probably
• 54:39
  with the ultimate goal of being more beautiful.
• 54:41
  And it goes so deep.
• 54:43
  Like, we can talk about GLP ones, and that's so direct.
• 54:46
  Or we can talk about supplements,
• 54:47
  or we can talk about essential oils,
• 54:49
  or we can talk about aroma therapy,
• 54:51
  or we can talk about stuff.
• 54:52
  Like, there's all kinds of things that get sold to you.
• 54:55
  What do I do?
• 54:56
  It's called plunge.
• 54:58
  And that's why he says, beautiful.
• 54:59
  It does.
• 55:00
  Whatever that fat is, yellow fat brown.
• 55:01
  Brown fat.
• 55:02
  It burns brown fat.
• 55:03
  And of course, I know about it.
• 55:04
  Oh, so go ahead.
• 55:06
  Yeah, no, I think you're spot on there.
• 55:09
  I do think, Tim, as a point, though,
• 55:11
  that the market is too much of an influence.
• 55:14
  And I do think, it's getting really close,
• 55:17
  like, something's going to close my way.
• 55:20
  I do think the market is too much of it.
• 55:22
  I think we should cut times.
• 55:23
  I think we should start doing that.
• 55:24
  OK, so one thing.
• 55:25
  I like what you said about men choosing.
• 55:27
  I think that's being neat.
• 55:28
  Well, it's just like, that's a marketplace.
• 55:30
  I'm skived out by it.
• 55:32
  Right, but OK, so if we get a project,
• 55:34
  let's say we get a project, and you
• 55:36
  choose the models in this project, who's holding the food,
• 55:40
  who's holding in the products, like, guys, girls, whatever.
• 55:44
  What's your move, like, who are you picking?
• 55:48
  What's the visual?
• 55:48
  Like, what's the, it's, they call it aesthetic.
• 55:51
  I might not have loved this word.
• 55:52
  It's so aesthetic.
• 55:54
  Is there a play, how long does it take
• 55:55
  to retrain a culture that that is aesthetic?
• 55:59
  How do you change?
• 56:00
  That obesity is aesthetic.
• 56:02
  And that's what I was trying to say is that it is slowly changing.
• 56:05
  Like, they no longer call models plus size.
• 56:09
  That was a thing.
• 56:10
  They haven't changed the tags in clothing yet,
• 56:12
  but they will soon.
• 56:13
  They have it.
• 56:14
  Oh, wow.
• 56:14
  No, it's still a plus size section.
• 56:16
  Oh, interesting.
• 56:17
  Since Trump came into office, people
• 56:19
  have been going crazy about fat girls in movies or in shows
• 56:23
  or in advertisements.
• 56:24
  In a good way?
• 56:25
  In a bad way.
• 56:25
  The pendulum.
• 56:26
  It swings back.
• 56:27
  It's bad because these people that are so repressed
• 56:29
  from not being able to say things is politically correct.
• 56:32
  They're now trying to say everything.
• 56:33
  Oh, right.
• 56:34
  But isn't that, and I always, I'm always this guy
• 56:37
  who I'm like a little more conservative
• 56:39
  than I actually am happy to be, but I sympathize heavily
• 56:42
  because the feeling that you just told us
• 56:44
  about with your children is the same feeling
• 56:47
  that I think many people in this country have about like,
• 56:49
  well, I can't move without being criticized
• 56:51
  for how I'm saying it.
• 56:53
  So I connect with that.
• 56:54
  Like, I want to let them off the hook a little bit.
• 56:56
  No, totally.
• 56:57
  Absolutely.
• 56:58
  God, get this under control, guys.
• 57:01
  I mean, and but where do you draw the line?
• 57:03
  Like should everybody be going?
• 57:04
  No lines.
• 57:05
  Should everybody be going around willfully shouting the end word
• 57:08
  because I haven't been able to say it for years.
• 57:11
  So like, how do you like, so that's what they're doing now?
• 57:16
  That's happening.
• 57:16
  Really?
• 57:17
  Yeah.
• 57:18
  It's regressing their name.
• 57:19
  Who like called that little autistic boy the end word
• 57:23
  because he was playing with the toys in her diaper bag
• 57:28
  and she like came after him.
• 57:30
  And then because she got like canceled,
• 57:34
  she raised over a million dollars
• 57:36
  because everybody else that felt like they should also
• 57:39
  be able to say the end word were like, oh, well,
• 57:42
  like I feel bad for her.
• 57:43
  So they she raised a crap ton of money.
• 57:45
  So I don't know.
• 57:47
  It's weird.
• 57:48
  It's a really tricky place.
• 57:49
  I agree.
• 57:50
  I do think people should be able to say what they want,
• 57:52
  but I also think we need to be kind.
• 57:55
  We still need to be kind.
• 57:56
  We shouldn't need to feel like it shouldn't be in us
• 58:00
  to say that I'm going to feel better
• 58:02
  if I can call that person a fat person.
• 58:04
  Like, no, what if that, man?
• 58:06
  What if the litmus test were something like,
• 58:09
  before I say anything, have I established enough rapport
• 58:13
  and connection with this person and helped them
• 58:16
  feel psychological safety around me?
• 58:19
  So that if I cross the line, they can tell me.
• 58:23
  Can I speak with enough love and gentleness
• 58:25
  so that they hear my intent and they can help me?
• 58:28
  And that's it.
• 58:29
  It is all about the intention.
• 58:30
  We're not trying to hurt this person.
• 58:31
  Yeah.
• 58:32
  I do think when we get upset, though,
• 58:34
  or if we're feeling really like riled up,
• 58:36
  like the woman you're describing,
• 58:38
  you're like ability to self monitor,
• 58:40
  just like goes out the window a little bit.
• 58:43
  Like, I don't know, maybe not for everybody,
• 58:45
  but like self awareness and then it gets a lot harder.
• 58:48
  I'm somebody whose emotions come on really fast
• 58:50
  and I have to like, slow the pace.
• 58:53
  But I think you wouldn't say things
• 58:55
  that wouldn't be in your regular travel vocabulary.
• 58:58
  But if I'd been raised around people
• 59:00
  who use that word all the time and didn't think anything of it,
• 59:03
  even if I thought that was something bad,
• 59:05
  I do think there's probably something
• 59:06
  the back of your head that like the word is still in there.
• 59:09
  Like, one that I see a lot in my generation,
• 59:12
  a lot of people use the R word retarded.
• 59:15
  And they throw it around.
• 59:17
  And like, for my generation, no longer cool.
• 59:21
  Not an okay thing.
• 59:22
  They use it all the time in my generation.
• 59:25
  And I also,
• 59:25
  but can you use it when you're not on a level of people?
• 59:28
  I don't know.
• 59:28
  No, I never know, because I kind of like the word.
• 59:30
  You can't use it even when you're talking about things.
• 59:32
  You can't say, oh, man, don't, that's wrong.
• 59:35
  I think a lot of people,
• 59:37
  well, I think the pendulum has swung.
• 59:41
  Yes, the pendulum.
• 59:43
  And, but I, yes.
• 59:45
  I agree with you, Will.
• 59:47
  We're there.
• 59:48
  We'll go to dinner.
• 59:49
  But I think that, you know,
• 59:51
  it came into an out of fashion.
• 59:53
  And then it's coming back in again
• 59:54
  for all the same like trends that we're catching onto.
• 59:57
  I think when people use it synonymous with stupid,
• 1:00:01
  or synonymous with, I don't know,
• 1:00:04
  there's probably a better word than stupid.
• 1:00:05
  But I don't think it's okay to use.
• 1:00:07
  And yet it gets baked into your brain.
• 1:00:11
  And I feel like it becomes a shortcut.
• 1:00:12
  Like another one that I watched come into an out of
• 1:00:15
  and probably back into fashion is gay.
• 1:00:16
  Yeah, I know.
• 1:00:17
  I've seen it come back.
• 1:00:18
  Or the F word.
• 1:00:19
  I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
• 1:00:20
  Faggot is like in and out and in again.
• 1:00:23
  And I don't know how to cope with that, necessarily.
• 1:00:28
  But I do think it's, there's intention there.
• 1:00:32
  And, but there's also reclamation of the word that's happening.
• 1:00:34
  And that's happening about cross all three of those two, I think.
• 1:00:38
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:00:39
  I push back a little bit only because it may be,
• 1:00:42
  I think it depends on the person.
• 1:00:43
  All those words are in there for me.
• 1:00:46
  And I can't think of a single scenario where I would lose my shit so much
• 1:00:49
  that any one of those words that I, being not appropriate,
• 1:00:53
  would just slip out.
• 1:00:54
  I say, I just don't, I just don't see that.
• 1:00:56
  Me too.
• 1:00:57
  Would you say?
• 1:00:58
  I say the other half word.
• 1:00:59
  Oh, yeah, I say that word all the time.
• 1:01:02
  Yeah.
• 1:01:03
  But like there's no scenario where I would use the R word or the N word
• 1:01:08
  or the C word or any of those.
• 1:01:11
  I know that it's this.
• 1:01:13
  They don't, they don't ever, I'd never, like no matter how mad I see where
• 1:01:17
  the one I'm thinking.
• 1:01:18
  Even when the next Tuesday.
• 1:01:19
  See, even when it's the most ridiculous drivers on the plane.
• 1:01:25
  Do I ever go, gosh, you're fricking yada, yada, yada, yada.
• 1:01:28
  Yeah.
• 1:01:29
  And so I don't know if that's just more of a, I don't know, I, I, I think,
• 1:01:36
  maybe I just have to chalk it up to people just having different levels
• 1:01:41
  of, of being able to deal with things to handle.
• 1:01:44
  And I think it's also a little bit like how fused have these two concepts
• 1:01:49
  become in your mind.
• 1:01:50
  Like people who use the word retarded and they mean stupid or ill-conceived
• 1:01:55
  or, you know, you could fill in the blank.
• 1:01:57
  Right.
• 1:01:58
  They don't see a difference between those two concepts.
• 1:02:00
  People who use the N word have a bunch of stuff attached to it and they can't
• 1:02:04
  disconnect it.
• 1:02:05
  Yeah.
• 1:02:06
  But meanwhile, there are people who I think are really working into a tribute
• 1:02:08
  new meaning into the word and like by using it, they're sort of trying to pivot
• 1:02:13
  it in a way.
• 1:02:14
  If they're changing its content.
• 1:02:15
  Yeah.
• 1:02:16
  So that's how I feel about stupid.
• 1:02:17
  It's more like those shoes or whatever.
• 1:02:21
  Like I'm just going to say we're going to click explicit on all of our episodes.
• 1:02:25
  So I'm going to say it out loud.
• 1:02:26
  If you've got a kid in the car and now's a great time to mute this whole thing.
• 1:02:29
  If you haven't already.
• 1:02:30
  I never thought of that.
• 1:02:31
  It's a good thing to warn people.
• 1:02:32
  Yeah.
• 1:02:33
  But I'm going to say like is she a cunt or is she cunti?
• 1:02:38
  Yeah, because my friend grew up using cunti all the time.
• 1:02:40
  Really?
• 1:02:41
  That's a word?
• 1:02:42
  Yeah.
• 1:02:43
  I never heard that word.
• 1:02:44
  Even either.
• 1:02:45
  This is a weird culture, baby.
• 1:02:46
  Yeah.
• 1:02:47
  Let's do a drag race viewing.
• 1:02:48
  No, that's political and complex.
• 1:02:49
  Is that like the same as being a bitch or what do you mean?
• 1:02:51
  What does cunti mean?
• 1:02:52
  Um, I think it's definitely, it's a lot more like, I mean, will maybe.
• 1:02:57
  I don't like the care thing.
• 1:02:59
  The care thing?
• 1:03:00
  Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  I mean, it probably was for a minute.
• 1:03:03
  I don't know.
• 1:03:04
  I think of it sort of like sassy and like self-fulfilling, like self, uh, she's expressing
• 1:03:15
  herself fully.
• 1:03:16
  So that is it.
• 1:03:17
  What do you think it is?
• 1:03:18
  That's it.
• 1:03:19
  Absolutely.
• 1:03:20
  Yeah.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah.
• 1:03:22
  Another word for demon, cunti.
• 1:03:23
  No way.
• 1:03:24
  Really?
• 1:03:25
  Talk about a reclamation of the words.
• 1:03:27
  Nobody sees it that way, but queer communities, but like that's how it's getting shifted.
• 1:03:31
  That's interesting.
• 1:03:32
  People like revamp the word obesity in that same way or do you always think it's going
• 1:03:37
  to be negative?
• 1:03:38
  That is being reclaimed.
• 1:03:40
  People are taking fat and like, well, yeah, I'm fat and like what do you want with that?
• 1:03:44
  I love that.
• 1:03:45
  I'm fat and sexy.
• 1:03:46
  I love that spirit.
• 1:03:47
  Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  So I think it's, it's happening.
• 1:03:49
  The pushback is happening from within the group, but maybe we need like ambassadors to
• 1:03:53
  help speed that up.
• 1:03:54
  It's like it's cool to have a dad by, you know, that's like, you know, and that's,
• 1:03:59
  that's a reclamation of something that we would not have in the past deemed, you know,
• 1:04:05
  flattering, but now it's like people are leaning into it.
• 1:04:07
  You have a dad bod and you'd not you, but like, maybe I don't know, which is going to
• 1:04:12
  admit it right now.
• 1:04:13
  Tim's like, just the parts of me you can't see.
• 1:04:15
  I just wear a bigger shirt.
• 1:04:17
  No kidding.
• 1:04:18
  Well, I think it's, it's okay to have a dad bod and you're just like with children,
• 1:04:22
  but we're like working on women getting their bodies back after shoving a child out of
• 1:04:27
  their body.
• 1:04:28
  Yeah.
• 1:04:29
  What a ridiculous stuff.
• 1:04:30
  Yeah.
• 1:04:31
  I will say though that John Hamm and, um, our friends and neighbors have a normal sized
• 1:04:39
  body.
• 1:04:40
  Is that a dad bod?
• 1:04:41
  I love it.
• 1:04:42
  It makes me feel so seen.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Because he's not like this guy.
• 1:04:45
  He's not like Brad Pitt.
• 1:04:46
  Yeah.
• 1:04:47
  Like all rich.
• 1:04:48
  Yeah.
• 1:04:49
  I like it.
• 1:04:50
  I was gonna say when you were talking about someone reclaiming the word fat, I just felt
• 1:04:53
  a mind shift in that person.
• 1:04:56
  Like it wasn't something that was culturally shifted.
• 1:04:58
  It wasn't cool.
• 1:04:59
  It was just literally that person saw themselves.
• 1:05:02
  Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  And even when you try to restrict people from saying something, if they're saying in
• 1:05:08
  their mind and acting in this way, it doesn't matter if they say it or don't say it.
• 1:05:11
  They're still saying.
• 1:05:12
  You're just separating them from your reality.
• 1:05:14
  Exactly.
• 1:05:15
  You're just like forcing them further and further into this cognitive dissonance thing
• 1:05:19
  and probably making them much less mentally healthy.
• 1:05:22
  Right.
• 1:05:23
  I think when someone says it, it allows everyone to look around them and say that person
• 1:05:26
  isn't safe.
• 1:05:27
  Right.
• 1:05:28
  And so I know social media culture will kind of congregate around the crazies.
• 1:05:32
  But in real world and real communities, people self select and help to restrict those who
• 1:05:39
  are in, in danger in the group.
• 1:05:41
  Yeah.
• 1:05:42
  If they take it the wrong way, it's about reading.
• 1:05:43
  It's acting conniving and is trying to create harm.
• 1:05:47
  Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  You can't catch them.
• 1:05:49
  I sometimes I wonder if it's like say it so we can see who you are and how you, okay,
• 1:05:54
  finally you're saying how you feel.
• 1:05:56
  And I'm saying this, not having grown up in a minority culture or not a minority group
• 1:06:01
  and not having been obese.
• 1:06:03
  So I'm saying this from a completely disconnected point, but I want to be able to connect with
• 1:06:07
  that experience of what is what's in someone's heart is going to come through.
• 1:06:13
  Now I don't think anyone should just say everyone should say the end word whenever
• 1:06:16
  they want.
• 1:06:17
  I just think that when you repress an entire culture and then they start creating this
• 1:06:21
  different twistedness about like now I'm going to be the rebel and say it just despite
• 1:06:26
  you saying I can't say it.
• 1:06:28
  It's like the greatest cycle of disconnection again.
• 1:06:31
  Yeah, it's almost like I'm asking you not to engage with me as a person about it, but
• 1:06:36
  to engage with the theory and what I'm dealing with.
• 1:06:39
  Exactly.
• 1:06:40
  And that's all valid by the way.
• 1:06:41
  There's a lot of theory and there's a lot of shit to deal with and it's sort of not
• 1:06:44
  my responsibility to educate you on all the problems in society, but also if I want
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  to be connected to you, which is not always the case, right?
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  Like we meet a lot of people every day where we don't make an effort to connect.
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  And that's the question mark in my head.
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  Like if I really want to connect with you, I got to just be like warts and all for a minute
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  be like, pretty warty, you're looking pretty full of warts, but then be like that bothers
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  me.
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  Like that really makes me feel X, Y and Z.
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  And I really think a lot of people, if they were met with that sort of cool headedness,
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  would be responsive, but it comes back to how are you supposed to say that cool headed
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  when somebody throws the inward out or throws the wrong word at you.
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  Right.
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  My kids say, Dad, I want to be like you and be able to connect something, anything so
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  strongly to the way you connect anything to digital devices.
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  No way.
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  They're like, I'm so tired lately, because you spend too much time on your devices.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm feeling like a little bit, I don't know, everything they say convected.
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  My mom would say drink some water.
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  Both are probably simpler.
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  That's so much simpler.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I didn't do that either.
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  When I do wonder how much of this gets accelerated, exacerbated by the way that we are socializing,
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  the channels that we're socializing in and the way that that connection feels or isn't
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  even connected.
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  Yeah.
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  So when you talk to your friends, you're having real conversation, and you and your friends
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  are able to like go through it together.
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  But if you were trying to connect online, it's a large change, there's something very
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  missing in that experience, that human physical presence, and I wonder if now there's not
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  a lot of places for kids to talk about these things, to experience, to have the experience
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  of being fat and being made fun of with anyone but themselves.
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  Like in the beauty, the show I brought up a few times, there is a girl who looks completely
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  like better than whatever the standard of normal is.
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  She's fine.
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  But she feels so ugly that she wants to take this drug, it's weird that it comes out at
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  the same time this GLP thing is out because it's a genetic remodification of the body
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  to make them their beauty.
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  But you just see this person going through this thing by themselves, and that is possible.
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  So what if we started having more like face to face, one to one discussions about health
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  and could come to sort of our own understanding of what healthy means versus just taking
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  what's delivered to us in culture or making assumptions about how someone else is living.
• 1:09:35
  I will say that when you say, I'll go ahead though.
• 1:09:37
  No, I was going to say you cold plunge, he walks, we walk, we do our little things.
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  Yeah, I couldn't tell you what I do to be healthy.
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  I'll be honest.
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  I'm just working on my mental health.
• 1:09:47
  Like that honestly feels like step number one, stress reduction first move.
• 1:09:52
  But I do think that when I like to bring it to health because obesity is used in a lot
• 1:09:56
  of contexts where it's related to health, you know, like in a scale and a measurement,
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  in a diagnosis.
• 1:10:03
  Well, maybe I'm maybe that short-sighted, but to me it's like beauty in theory to begin
• 1:10:11
  with anyway was tied to health.
• 1:10:13
  It's like you want to seem full of vitality.
• 1:10:17
  Fight face, yeah.
• 1:10:18
  And young because youth is health is fewer issues in theory.
• 1:10:24
  So I don't end it like everything goes back to sex and like reproductive, aging, bull
• 1:10:29
  shit and aging.
• 1:10:30
  And aging, imagine if we weren't always trying to be young, exhausted with it.
• 1:10:35
  So we might do that experiment this month, but to value the person aging versus, yeah,
• 1:10:42
  you can age.
• 1:10:43
  Yeah.
• 1:10:44
  And we're going to throw you out into a nursing home, you know, like there's so much
• 1:10:47
  like body modification happening, you know, like with plastic surgery and things that
• 1:10:52
  it's so normal now to do it.
• 1:10:54
  Well, it's like it's your responsibility, you need to manage your health because if it
• 1:10:58
  goes wrong, I don't want to take care of you, right?
• 1:11:01
  I don't want more of more of whatever unhealthy version of you out in the world.
• 1:11:06
  It's like a pushback against it.
• 1:11:08
  So I don't know if that's the root cause, but I do wonder if we're not having enough
• 1:11:13
  person to person connection about health and we're trusting these like subject matter
• 1:11:17
  experts who are just working with statistics and talking about groups at a distance.
• 1:11:21
  The person who doesn't know your daughter who's telling you what's healthy for your
• 1:11:24
  daughter and your relationship and that kind of thing.
• 1:11:27
  Yeah.
• 1:11:28
  I don't know.
• 1:11:29
  I did.
• 1:11:30
  I got one.
• 1:11:31
  What if we were in more about the inner body than the outer body?
• 1:11:35
  My spleen.
• 1:11:36
  My outer spleen, though.
• 1:11:38
  My spleen.
• 1:11:39
  She's spleen feeling good?
• 1:11:40
  And I do care about your spleen.
• 1:11:41
  But I don't know if I really was talking about your spleen with me.
• 1:11:44
  Yeah.
• 1:11:45
  You know, like so much focus on the outer body, like there's an inner body and inner experience
• 1:11:50
  happening.
• 1:11:51
  I heard this quote and it was like, it doesn't matter like how you look on the outside
• 1:11:57
  or like you could have whatever, but if like the characters there, you literally have
• 1:12:00
  nothing.
• 1:12:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:12:02
  And sounds so cheesy now that I set it out in public.
• 1:12:04
  No.
• 1:12:05
  I don't know.
• 1:12:06
  No, but I was thinking like when you were saying that I was like, oh, like you have a soul.
• 1:12:11
  Yeah.
• 1:12:12
  A soul.
• 1:12:13
  Right.
• 1:12:14
  I think we were talking about the window quo where it's like looking through the window
• 1:12:18
  that's just like transparency, but you feel like open the window a lot.
• 1:12:21
  The person come in like and see the soul and like see that like, hey, like this is how
• 1:12:26
  I feel about like my personal, whatever.
• 1:12:28
  I don't bring it back into like brand and everything.
• 1:12:31
  I just don't see a lot of brands like doing that.
• 1:12:34
  It's more of like, here's a product that makes the outside look good.
• 1:12:38
  And I kind of feel that way about supplements as well as like, hey, this is going to make
• 1:12:42
  you on the outside.
• 1:12:43
  Like, I don't see a lot of brands offering like, hey, as a woman, you're going to go through
• 1:12:48
  menopause.
• 1:12:49
  Hey, it's a man your testosterone is going to start dropping, so that's why your body's
• 1:12:52
  going to start.
• 1:12:53
  You know, I don't know.
• 1:12:54
  I think my what if is like, what if capitalism wasn't real?
• 1:13:00
  I want to call it something like that, but that's not what I'm talking about.
• 1:13:05
  Let's set the timer and start running it back.
• 1:13:10
  Dylan dropped the mic.
• 1:13:12
  There's a metaphor that Tara Brock introduced to me, and I don't know if she came up with
• 1:13:15
  it or if she took it from somebody else.
• 1:13:18
  But I mean, can we steal concepts as long capitalism, IP should be free.
• 1:13:23
  But I think she gave me this metaphor that really, I don't know, I came back to it a lot,
• 1:13:29
  which is saying something.
• 1:13:30
  I'm very forgetful.
• 1:13:31
  She was like, yeah, well, I sometimes talk about this as like the meat suit, like I'm
• 1:13:35
  just wearing a surround, like I'm trying on this meat food today.
• 1:13:39
  But she talked about like an astronaut visiting some foreign planet or something, and if you're
• 1:13:45
  an astronaut and you're on a place that doesn't have the atmosphere that you can breathe,
• 1:13:49
  naturally, you need your suit.
• 1:13:51
  The suit is an essential part of your ability to like move through the world, but you are
• 1:13:56
  not the suit.
• 1:13:58
  And if you live in the suit long enough or so dependent on the suit, it might be easy
• 1:14:02
  to forget that you are not the suit.
• 1:14:04
  That sort of feel like it is you, but the reality is, you're in there and like it's just
• 1:14:10
  a space suit.
• 1:14:11
  And I feel like that applies to brands too.
• 1:14:14
  You need the suit, you've got to have the space suit, we get it, we understand, but you
• 1:14:19
  are not the suit.
• 1:14:20
  There's got to be something in there, like you were saying.
• 1:14:23
  And the power of branding is now starting to trend where the inner being of the brand
• 1:14:29
  means more.
• 1:14:30
  Well, we're figuring out that it's a space suit and that we can look past.
• 1:14:34
  And there's another being inside there.
• 1:14:36
  Open the windows.
• 1:14:37
  Next.
• 1:14:38
  If we've met an alien and we were in these big fluffy suits, how would they know that
• 1:14:41
  I was a suit?
• 1:14:42
  They don't know.
• 1:14:43
  They're just meeting us for the first time.
• 1:14:44
  Right.
• 1:14:45
  They're like, I'm catching lies.
• 1:14:46
  We're going to go Tara.
• 1:14:47
  Yeah.
• 1:14:48
  And if you're an astronaut looking for a meat suit, you're able to breathe through.
• 1:14:53
  This is the place to come.
• 1:14:54
  If you're out there.
• 1:14:55
  If you're out there.
• 1:14:56
  If you're an astronaut.
• 1:14:57
  If you're an astronaut.
• 1:14:58
  And if you're watching this podcast, please get in contact, who would love to have you
• 1:15:02
  on the show?
• 1:15:03
  That would be an incredible gift.
• 1:15:06
  My what if is, what if we could all just be kind enough to people that they could feel
• 1:15:12
  comfortable showing up in whatever meat suit they're wearing without feeling the pressure
• 1:15:17
  of having to like shift or change?
• 1:15:20
  Yeah.
• 1:15:21
  You know?
• 1:15:22
  Yes.
• 1:15:23
  And do the real thing.
• 1:15:24
  And I apologize to anyone out there who is struggling with this topic and how much injustice
• 1:15:32
  we may have given this topic in our discussion.
• 1:15:36
  We want to be there for this experience that all everyone is going through and to open
• 1:15:43
  those windows in our work and in our lives and be kind and to try and create a better
• 1:15:48
  world.
• 1:15:49
  Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  Yeah.
• 1:15:51
  And for those of you out there who are kind of people and you're listening, maybe consider
• 1:15:55
  being a little kinder.
• 1:15:56
  Maybe fucking.
• 1:15:57
  Sorry.
• 1:15:58
  That's still perpetuating.
• 1:15:59
  No, you're going to make all the words.
• 1:16:03
  That's going to be their villain origin story.
• 1:16:05
  Truly.
• 1:16:06
  So I just know that we are not obese people.
• 1:16:10
  We're talking about obesity.
• 1:16:11
  And if that's a touchy subject and I just want to know that you're seeing and you're
• 1:16:16
  valuable.
• 1:16:17
  Yeah.
• 1:16:18
  And we're ill-informed in the best of times.
• 1:16:19
  We probably just said a million things that are not correct.
• 1:16:23
  And I think there's a podcast I watched called My Favorite Murder, Shoutout, Karen in
• 1:16:27
  Georgia.
• 1:16:28
  Yeah.
• 1:16:29
  You know them?
• 1:16:30
  We're true crime people.
• 1:16:31
  But they do this thing every so often.
• 1:16:34
  They do it less now in the early days.
• 1:16:36
  They would have to do a lot of corrections corners in the beginning of the episode.
• 1:16:39
  So.
• 1:16:40
  You might have to do one of those.
• 1:16:41
  If anybody even cares enough to give us your opinion, we would love to have it.
• 1:16:44
  I would love that.
• 1:16:45
  Yes.
• 1:16:46
  Yes.
• 1:16:47
  Especially on some of the data which anyone else out there has something to share about
• 1:16:52
  this.
• 1:16:53
  What if we just read this one with some of the windows?
• 1:16:55
  Yeah.
• 1:16:56
  That would be awesome.
• 1:16:57
  I think this is the heaviest topic we've gotten into so far and it's teaching me a lot
• 1:17:04
  about, you know, how we want to navigate and I think we're going to get a lot better
• 1:17:07
  at it.
• 1:17:08
  Can't wait to see what we pull out.
• 1:17:10
  Yeah.
• 1:17:11
  Next.
• 1:17:12
  I've watched the previous episodes.
• 1:17:13
  I'm like, we're definitely going to need to do some corrections corners.
• 1:17:18
  Thank you for watching.
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• 1:17:47
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