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Talks to Jeff Goddard (plus 🐹 fam) about his choice of The Power of the Doctor · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm still a little bump in my to do it quicker.
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  And welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor
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  Who commentary podcast. Well done.
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  I forgot the rest of it, but it's fine.
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  It's fine. I'm sure you can tidy that up.
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  Oh, I thought that was your intro intro.
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  Yeah, who are you? Who are you?
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  You're mr. Joe.
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  I don't know who I am. Who am I?
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  You are The Marvelous to Fabulous their charismatic.
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  The intelligent mr. Jeff got on.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  It's been a each's. Last time I saw you was on peled
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  on, so we wasn't all my God. That was a fucking brilliant
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  recording, one are wide so much fun with that.
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  I love that story. I don't want a loose always
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  spoke about cuz put on too much. I doing that but then my great
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  conversation. We did we did and we're going
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  back into new. Who now we are definitely go
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  back into new. Ooh-hoo.
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  And would you indulge me for a second because I had today we're
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  talking about Jodi whiskers regeneration story The Paradox.
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  Oh, I know, I know you're right. Yeah.
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  Okay. There is a huge chance.
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  I'm going to cry. We'll meet her as what is one
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  particular bit as well, but gets me every time but I had a queue
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  of people a mile long come at me to record.
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  All this episode. Oh really?
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  Yeah, I did. And and people like I do it can
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  either card that are sent over. No.
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  I there's only one person is going to record power.
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  The doctor with me and that is the person who are considered to
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  be the ambassador for the Jodie Whittaker.
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  Tara. I think maybe for Our
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  Generation, I might be. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of
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  young vibrant energetic Doctor Who fans who have been amazing.
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  Ambassadors for every year our and and championed it.
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  Yeah yeah I think and I think there and plenty of people of
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  Our Generation that love it. Yes.
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  But in terms of pure love for this era offer, you're the one
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  and before we even talk about the episode in question will you
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  just give me a little taste of what you think about this era
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  and what this era means to you. This era has been it's just been
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  a joy for me because it's the first time since Doctor Who came
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  back that I've connected to it in the same way that I connected
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  to Doctor Who as a kid growing up in the 80s, it has struck all
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  those. Same old familiar chords with me
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  from Music to the doctor to the companions to the stories.
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  It's, it's just, it's been magical.
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  And it's got me personally, through some very trying times.
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  I mean, all of us went through lockdown and a lot of as met
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  because of block down, or at least started talking ins or
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  this fashion where we can see low, Which was magnificent.
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  And I've made some great friends and connections through all of
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  that and all in the background was Jodie Whittaker as the
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  doctor. And then she did that video,
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  where she's in the cupboard hiding from sontarans, what a
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  gift that was, what are the children that were going through
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  the pandemic, you know. And but also during lockdown, we
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  Going through my wife's cancer treatment.
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  So she was having chemo and then radiotherapy and she'd had two
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  surgeries. And he was a difficult, it was a
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  difficult time with a lot of pressure and a lot of stress,
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  but Doctor, Who was there to give me hope and a light to
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  just, if I couldn't see the light, at the end of the tunnel
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  Doctor, Who was the torch that Letting me see where I was
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  putting my feet if you know what I mean and Jody is the the sort
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  of like the bright Center of that light as well.
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  So yeah, it's it's just been a wonderful.
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  Wonderful era that has evoked pure Doctor Who for me in the
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  way. I think we've gone through was a
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  bit five years since she's been the doctor.
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  And I think that we've gone through five really dark years
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  like politically in terms of health the pandemic and I feel
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  like everyone's feeling it, you know, everyone is thick.
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  It's a sank tangible in the air and for me, yeah, you're right.
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  Like this right of sunshine that has shown for it and I don't
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  know if it's the smile, I don't know if it's the performance.
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  The Charisma. I don't know if it's how she's
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  written something about her. Dogs are just makes me smile.
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  When I'm in a really bad dark place, she makes me smile.
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  I remember those flaps episodes coming out.
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  I was not in a great place but for an hour a week, I was just
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  having a A ball, it was energetic and fun, and exciting
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  and right at the heart of it all was Jodie, Whittaker just being
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  dazzling. Yeah, I get it, I absolutely get
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  it. And I think the thing ever,
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  really broke her spirit, and because nothing ever broke her
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  spirit, even though she went through dark times as a
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  character as well, and she went through uncertainty, and she
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  went through trauma and I think a lot of us Out during lockdown
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  that maybe Old Wounds reopened as well and Things From the Past
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  because you have all of this time you have all of this time
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  on your hands and stuff just comes back.
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  This is why we occupy ourselves so much as a species we have to
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  because we have to keep moving forwards because otherwise the
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  weight of the past can pull you back a little bit and that's
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  very Very much, what sort of Jodi's doctors Arc has been is
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  is releasing herself from the weight of the past, which that
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  kind of came to a close in legends of the sea Devils?
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  Really that the ark which gave us.
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  Now, this this chance to just have a celebration at the end of
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  the SAS, going to say you want to talk about the weight of the
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  past in this last episode. There's a, there's a hello.
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  White in this, I'm telling you, but all of that was there was a
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  lot of happy memories in the hole.
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  This is the power of the doctor is just an enormous celebration,
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  isn't it? It's a love letter to Doctor Who
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  as a whole. So we go right back to the 60s
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  with Ian, right through the 70s, Jose there, right through the
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  80s, with Tegan, an ace right through the 90s.
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  The plot is a bloody rip off of the TV movie with the master.
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  Oh great. Another Booth trying to take
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  their life. It's got, I always dress for the
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  occasion or all the way through new who and there is a
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  celebration of Jodi's there as well, with Dan Bradley Walsh
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  coming back in. Yeah, you know.
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  Oh man. Oh, man.
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  How could you not love this one? Exactly.
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  It's it's, I mean, I we've recorded last night before
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  Gallifrey is Most Wanted. The episode is up and out
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  already because Ross, In about an hour.
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  I'm fabulous swim. We talked last night, how this
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  was about the fact that doctor who has been a part of the BBC
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  for a very nearly 60% of its lifespan, which is really
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  incredible. It has been a huge part.
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  Whether it's been on the screen for all of that time, doesn't
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  really matter. Because once Doctor, Who was
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  established, and when it first went away, he continued and
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  enjoy. Lord.
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  And it was still referenced on BBC, and there were repeats and
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  there were celebrations. And we got things like
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  Dimensions In Time, whether you like it or not, we got it.
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  I heard some people say this is dimensions in time at 90 minutes
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  long. You know what their what their
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  is a bit. That reminds me of dimensions in
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  time and it's to do with those shifting doctors, that is so
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  dimensions. In time there are so many little
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  subtle nod to the past the What, you know.
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  I don't know if you know this. I know this on Fair Authority,
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  that potentially, this might have been the last episode of
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  Doctor Who had Rossi Davis, not sweating with Babble.
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  This potentially might have been the lot and I feel like I don't
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  think I need to be told that watching this because this
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  absolutely is and you know the sort of the the Regeneration
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  which means on the cliff fried out the energy and it comes
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  back. Oh, fuck me.
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  That would have been a great place to end Doctor.
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  Who wouldn't it? I mean, I'm offering hope to the
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  Future smiling about it saying, right.
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  You're next, I mean, that would have been a brilliant way to I'm
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  glad. Yes.
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  Not, you know, don't get me wrong.
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  I'm Rusty. Davis, one of my faves, he's
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  back, I'm sure he's going to do amazing things, but I'll tell
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  you what, as a tail end to this era, and as a celebration of dr.
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  Awful. This was Practically Perfect.
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  I would put this above Day of the Doctor for, for a
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  celebration ezel. That's what my Mark said to me
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  this morning. He said exactly the same thing
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  that is people that are think we're mad saying that, but I
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  agree with you as well. Yes.
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  Yeah, look. This era has been Plagued by
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  animosity, from certain sections of the Doctor Who fan base and
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  there have been some very legitimate complaints and there
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  have been some completely illegitimate complaints and
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  people might think we're mad for proclaiming to be Doctor Who
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  fans yet enjoying the Jodie, Whittaker 10.
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  I'm not just how day you're enjoying dirty.
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  Miss Perry. Dang, ol yourself.
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  And I've had people say that to me online.
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  I from the day, she was cast and I put up a thing on Facebook
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  because I don't think I was even on Twitter, really then not
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  much. Anyway, I put something up on
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  Facebook and within a minute, I'd have a message from someone
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  who had been a very good friend online.
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  For a long time. Say how are you okay with this?
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  And it just all just went warm-up.
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  Bommarito what's he saying? Like, I honestly, I feel like
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  it's a lot of people are kind of the impression that this
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  Insidious corner of fandom started with this era, and I
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  haven't asked for at all. I think it started building from
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  Rusty, Davis. It got a lot worse.
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  During Steven Moffat, it's time, and I think he went through hell
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  and they got a bloody death. Ray he came off social media,
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  you know, because somebody couldn't separate Write fiction
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  from fact and started sending out difference.
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  And I feel like because the so many changes were made, like a
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  female doctor. So many firsts happened here, we
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  had our first doctor of color, you know, it brought out the
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  worst in some people and you know what?
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  I don't think. I don't think we should give
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  them too much attention in this because, no, I'm glad you
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  brought. It up because I definitely
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  something that's there. And it cannot, it's the elephant
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  in the room that has to be addressed and then shooed away
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  because it's not worthy. I've always said, I'm here to
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  celebrate Doctor Who because it's my favorite TV show and I
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  love it all. Even the B.
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  I don't like I love because it's Doctor Who and can I can I say
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  one thing that I think children who had the last laugh and you
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  know why go? Because the plot of this story
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  Effectively is the master talked earlier attempted to cancel.
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  The dogs are. Yeah, I'm turning back into a
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  man awful. All my God, this is genius.
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  Like I mean I don't, I don't know if people didn't just have
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  a like, an old, the doctor, the master should be the doctor or
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  whatever. He's actually leading into this,
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  but if he is fair play to you, sir, that is not ignorant of
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  what's going on on places. It's Jeff.
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  How can you tell you must know? No you know families.
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  It's the worst of the worst is quite a small bunch of people
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  but they shout the loudest and they try to drown out any
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  opposing voice because that's that's the method of people.
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  Like that is to is to just use a bullhorn where whisper would
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  suffice you know it's but you know right?
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  You know, the ultimate winners this.
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  Yeah. Because you May say it at all,
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  going about this at the other end of this era.
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  Having loved what's calm? Having a door the finale.
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  You've got Jody whiskers had the time of her life and she's just
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  backed away all these criticisms and Ford.
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  Fantastic friendships with the people that she's worked with,
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  you know, and done amazing work. That that is a legacy now
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  because you'll always be the first female doctor.
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  You've got Chris, chibnall who, you know, probably has received
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  a fair amount of battering Throughout this time, and he's
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  got this amazing body of work. Now that of Doctor Who that he's
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  put out, you know? And there are there is
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  absolutely an enormous fan base for his era.
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  It just not quite as loud as the idiots over there.
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  That screaming really, really, really loud know exactly.
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  But at the end of the day, I can only see week.
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  No all only appreciate it in our own way and we can all only
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  enjoy doctor Doctor, Who is a unique personal experience and
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  all of us feel it and react to it differently and then it's
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  finding common ground between Between those all where we can
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  all agree or just share the bits that we do, really, like,
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  without trying to bring down the bits, that maybe we don't like
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  as much. You know, it's come to the
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  conclusion was saying, well, I did the dominators with Fraser
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  the other week, right? I've come to the conclusion.
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  That all these wonderful people are surrounded myself in this
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  hand fan. Yeah, we've got our own fan.
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  Now, you know, is that I've just come to I love it.
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  Oh, now because there's someone that they love Enough of managed
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  to follow those people that love every story, and every era.
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  And this thing's just become a massive loving.
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  Now, for those of who it's marvelous, I'll tell ya, but
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  that's what that's what we need. We need more of that.
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  The trouble is is and I'm sure you probably know this.
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  That doesn't sell as well as being angry about something
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  online, you know, you know what, but it's get it does the
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  difference between Being genuine about something and seeing an
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  opportunity and maybe not being as genuine about something you
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  know, just just realizing that you can you can make money out
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  of people but it's get it. So that's the difference between
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  being genuine about something and An opportunity and maybe not
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  being as genuine about something, you know, just just
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  realizing that you can you can make money out of being angry is
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  a very lucrative market and it would be easy to do because I
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  can run with the best of them. But that's not me.
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  So, you should you be talking about the Steven Moffat era, but
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  you know what? Either celebrate, what's their
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  know? Because I think half of what
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  Moffat per hour during this time was absolutely wonderful.
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  You know, there's always something good to take away from
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  any Doctor Who episode. There's always something that
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  you can latch onto and go. Yes, this more of this, please,
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  you know, it's very easy to find bits that you like.
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  It's a little easier to find. That you don't know.
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  Like do you know though this something you did you personally
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  did and said to me when we were doing our think it was
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  resolution. I think that fundamentally
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  changed how I was looking at Doctor Who certainly from the
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  flux through the power of the doctor.
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  And that was how this era threw up like striking and beautiful
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  imagery. And I swear to God every time
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  now there's a attic CGI landscape and this episode was
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  absolutely full of dazzling injury.
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  I just see your face. I think you they're getting all
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  excited. Makes me smile so much, man.
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  Oh man, whether it was a pandemic so they couldn't do as
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  much location work or whatever. Reason I feel like from this
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  series 13, in terms of the visual nature of dogs who fuck
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  they are. Game, like it's just full of
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  beautiful and like, you know, like what's that place called
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  time in the Flack season? You know, we've all the floating
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  trying this guy. Yeah.
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  And the women on the podiums and you had like the Landscapes that
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  were like Roman Roman buildings. Yeah, I mean I could just list
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  either. The, Daleks the way, the Daleks
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  were shot in like the dark in that throughout the building
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  going up at the And the doctor and Jazz under the sea, in
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  Legend of the thedoublel lit up, like the visual palette has just
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  been extraordinary, I think. And I think they saved the money
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  and the best for last, because this episode was packed full of
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  memorable images. Yes, he was.
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  I'm looking forward to watching it again because like I said to
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  you before, I think we hit record, this is only my second
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  wallet. I've saved myself for you.
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  It's my sick. I'm so sorry I've been cheating
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  on you with my TV. So I just got.
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  This is the first time I've had to re-watch something over and
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  over again, since probably since roughly Davis this time where
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  I've just desperately wanted to take in every body is I think
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  it's all the Easter eggs to the past.
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  I've been trying to find all the different he's you know the to
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  tardises and logopolis the bits of the TV movie.
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  Yeah. All of it.
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  The little references and things that are just almost thrown
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  away. Way it all.
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  All brings to mind. Glimpses of pastori's past
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  Adventures past companions, past everything.
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  They are, you know, what bit? I'm going to be really rude now,
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  but you know about really made me cover, my hands was went,
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  vegan was going up that lift shop and the Simon started
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  bursting through the walls. I was like, it's doing of shock.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  When they break out of the cylinders.
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  Yeah, I'll try because I'm scared for out this common
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  drugs. Make a, oh my God, that's the
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  bit from Zion. I will try not to just go by
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  that, it would be very easy, obvious to do that and it's also
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  going to be very easy. I was because of the way, this
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  podcast Works to miss quite a bit as well, but but we know, we
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  know what's in. We know what's going on.
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  What and, you know, as well because I was really scared.
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  This was going to be a bit of a hot mess when I knew it was
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  going to have all of these elements a masterís Rasputin,
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  you know, Kate Stewart, Ace Teigen.
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  Those departures, you know, Dan the doctor and Yaz going.
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  Yeah. All that and more I was like
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  man. That's a lot for an
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  hour-and-a-half. How the hell, I'll tell you
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  what, he batted this plot in to cut and he was doing his thing
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  that you're not always starts all he's done since Flats, which
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  is having a lot of balls in the air.
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  There's a lot going on but it is focused through a narrative.
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  That is very clear. Action and stuff to see you
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  through as well. I found it very easy to follow.
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  There's one scene that doesn't quite get an explanation but
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  I've already come up with my own head Canon for it so it's fine
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  if you could would you mind pointing out when we get there?
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  Yeah. Well, look, I mean, I don't know
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  about you before you giving this a fair bit, a love.
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  But should we, should we head in?
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  Should we head head? The hell in?
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  Okay, I've got to say one thing, straight from the off though,
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  before we even press play, right?
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  I've got this obsession with things set on trains.
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  I love story set on trains. When this opened up with that.
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  Train going through space. They're on the roof.
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  Mad. It could have had a better start
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  for me. I'm sorry.
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  All right, we're going from five or three five, okay. 54, 321
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  play. What were your expectations of
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  this? I didn't have any.
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  Oh that's that's a good place to start.
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  I try. I don't like going into Doctor
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  Who with expectations because I used to do that all the time and
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  is never never pans out. Yeah exactly.
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  And I think I think a lot of people's expectations of this
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  series all of this area as a whole was was what set them on
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  the wrong foot from the start they had expectations whereas
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  I'd like to get taken on the journey Oddly, I just want it
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  fascinating, you know, that we started the ERA with a complete
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  absence of continuity, and we ended the era on the biggest
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  love letters, dogs, who we've ever had, yes.
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  But I spoke with Ross and Vic about that last night, those
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  Cybermen in that smoke and that light, by the way are absolutely
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  gorgeous women, should we just stay from the off that Jamie
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  Magnus Stone? If one of the best directors
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  that doctor who has ever had, I think all the work is done, a
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  doctor who has been fun All the like it.
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  Yes. Yeah I mean I put he must have
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  got this script on for bloody hell.
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  There's a lot happening. How am I gonna pull this
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  together? Well what he does it I never go
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  cyber Masters. We love cyber Masters which I
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  invented by the way I was like oh boy that is Camp.
• 25:17
  That is Campo sidemen with the big collars and all of that and
• 25:20
  now I'm just like that's a fucking great concept.
• 25:24
  So regenerate its why not? I mean I did that Mundus Ian
• 25:33
  cyber time law picture like yes, five six years ago now and the
• 25:41
  concept of the doctor coming out of the time War finding
• 25:44
  Gallifrey and having been taken over by Cybermen.
• 25:50
  Like any other planet that the Cybermen take over and the -
• 25:54
  ability. Then they talk about that.
• 25:56
  I'm Peter Capaldi's Last Story. Well can alternate story, which
• 26:00
  is which is that where there's people?
• 26:03
  There comes Cyberman. Yeah, why not Gallifrey?
• 26:07
  I mean what everybody as that's their end game and yeah,
• 26:12
  absolutely total conversion. It's Absolutely amazing.
• 26:19
  But it also means as well, their citement.
• 26:20
  No. Just keep coming.
• 26:21
  You'll shoot them and they will generate and they'll keep
• 26:24
  coming. And that's scary.
• 26:25
  That is scary. Let's go.
• 26:27
  Oh, now, look, that's not in this for long now, we do.
• 26:31
  I feel like we need to give down a little bit of attention here.
• 26:34
  Yeah, yeah, I've really enjoyed Dan, but he's, he doesn't read.
• 26:44
  His Arc is a very simple one. Which is realizing that you
• 26:51
  wants to make more of his life and not just be the guy that we
• 26:55
  met in the Halloween apocalypse. You know, he where he's a bit of
• 27:01
  a loser drills into you. I actually thought his decision
• 27:06
  that you know what? This is a dangerous life, I
• 27:09
  wanna die. I want to live my life.
• 27:12
  I don't I think that's a great conclusion to come to because I
• 27:14
  figured that was me in the goddess and I was On they're
• 27:17
  being chased by Simon down this train ceiling.
• 27:20
  I'm like it's know what if I make it out of this?
• 27:23
  Yeah I'll go back to watching Doctor Who on the TV rather than
• 27:27
  experience it in real life, you know?
• 27:29
  Yes, I would like to say Joe Sims is the man, they're in the
• 27:34
  train and he plays Mark 7 in the big finish Adventures.
• 27:38
  So I think there's even a nod to Big finish here as well.
• 27:42
  Well yeah. I think there's more than a few
• 27:47
  nods to Big finishing. Thank it will Tegan mentions two
• 27:50
  husbands and that is established in big finish.
• 27:53
  So I thought all right, quite tasty as well.
• 27:55
  Wow, look at this there was his suit is cracked.
• 27:59
  They're walking across the ceiling of this trade.
• 28:01
  The Cybermen are advancing on them one.
• 28:07
  I may have made a mistake not watching it six times before
• 28:11
  because I'm just transfixed again.
• 28:15
  Don't worry, I'll try to keep you on track.
• 28:17
  All right. I love the fact that the tunnel
• 28:19
  they're going down. Looks like a very colorful
• 28:21
  version of like a classic Doctor Who title sequence as well.
• 28:26
  It's beautiful though, isn't it? Well, I mean we're going to talk
• 28:29
  about the beautiful imagery, I love.
• 28:31
  I love that sort of tunnel effect.
• 28:33
  Dad's really funny in a minute where it goes.
• 28:35
  Hello, this is What I'm talking on this funny and they picked
• 28:43
  the right guy to play him because he's a natural comedian.
• 28:47
  Anyway, I think his best beers like the bit were knocked out
• 28:53
  the sontaran and then turn around and went.
• 28:55
  Hey, all right, Lads know which ways the pier dead.
• 29:02
  Wait in front of the darling River and Over The Darlings,
• 29:05
  where he confronts the do is walk and he's just walking
• 29:07
  around him to evade his fire. It's a shame, he doesn't get a
• 29:14
  bigger part in this because he was quite a big part of flux,
• 29:18
  but yeah, but this It needs to be something.
• 29:23
  Have to get to be Jody and man Deb.
• 29:26
  Yes. Yeah, the end had to be Jody.
• 29:29
  Amanda. Yeah, he could.
• 29:31
  Maybe have left a bit further into the episode like when they
• 29:35
  first got back to Earth but when there was someone in the tower
• 29:39
  this maybe he could have left them but It feels like a bit of
• 29:48
  a slight to his character to boot him out by either the title
• 29:52
  cycle. As she went, all the father's
• 29:55
  about about to start, you know, far maybe, you know, maybe it
• 30:00
  was one element too many. Yes.
• 30:02
  Yeah. He's got a lot of companions in
• 30:07
  this episode. The doctor.
• 30:09
  She loves a full tower. This doesn't she?
• 30:11
  So here's a but also as well, he's having to do Obviously,
• 30:15
  he's doing what for goodbyes, he technically does the goodbye
• 30:19
  between Tegan and the fifth doctor.
• 30:21
  The goodbye between ice and the Seventh Doctor, the goodbye
• 30:25
  between Yaz and the 13th doctor and they could fly between.
• 30:30
  And you know what? You got, kind of got up pace
• 30:32
  them a bit, otherwise if you stick them all at the end, it's
• 30:34
  going to feel like Return of the King.
• 30:37
  Yeah, exactly. Which goes on for half-an-hour
• 30:39
  after the film's Finish. Its yeah.
• 30:43
  Jesus Christ. This is indulgent I thought When
• 30:45
  I was watching that movie and we supposed to think that I kid was
• 30:48
  a Timeless child, because that's what I thought when I was
• 30:50
  watching. I was my initial first.
• 30:52
  I love that Janet and safety both got their names in the
• 30:55
  title sequence as well ago. Yeah, that's proper lies, Jeff.
• 31:00
  You've not heard excitement that you're going to hear from me
• 31:01
  when those two you appear in this.
• 31:03
  All right. Okay, can I walk on very
• 31:07
  quickly, ask you then before things really, really kickoff.
• 31:13
  Do you think it was a smart move to not lean into the Timeless?
• 31:17
  Child? The watch all of that in this?
• 31:20
  Yes, yeah, because that's the doctors Journey.
• 31:23
  The doctors Journey was reaching the point that she realized the
• 31:27
  past doesn't actually matter. She's already lived a full life
• 31:33
  and more I mean, they're in that next regeneration cycle, it gave
• 31:39
  us a glimpse that there is more to the doctors past.
• 31:45
  It gave us a who back in Doctor, Who a little bit.
• 31:51
  And it also gave us that guarantee that the doctor can go
• 31:55
  on for quite a bit longer yet in in whatever format Doctor Who
• 32:00
  continues as the Timeless child. Mi the doctor to continue, and
• 32:08
  that's really all it needed to do.
• 32:10
  It's also give them big finish. Yeah.
• 32:14
  Oh boy. Roof Doctor has after towards
• 32:18
  Master are on their way. I can't wait.
• 32:20
  Did you know what is lot of it? Kind of Hit Men.
• 32:24
  It was like a message to fans who kind of like, you know,
• 32:27
  pigeonholing the dock the first or the second doctor, you know,
• 32:30
  having a chronology, everything being in place.
• 32:33
  Actually, what the time is. Child of God.
• 32:35
  Does is it says whatever you think you know about the doctor,
• 32:38
  there is always more to know and there's always stuff you ain't
• 32:41
  gonna know because the title of the show is fucking Doctor Who
• 32:46
  and because and I've spoken about this before in other
• 32:49
  places and other times I do to you, it's Doctor Who is the sand
• 32:58
  pit of whoever is in charge of it and they can make whatever
• 33:01
  they want in that sampat and they can bring whatever toy.
• 33:05
  He's in they want to play with but when their times up and it's
• 33:09
  someone else's turn to tend to play in that sound bet it turns
• 33:12
  into a completely different. situation, you know, a doctor
• 33:18
  who is always It's transient thing, but it for a little time,
• 33:26
  it belongs to whoever's in charge, but then they have, they
• 33:31
  have to make sure that the sound stays clean and it doesn't get
• 33:34
  dirty. So that the next person can come
• 33:37
  and play in it. Yeah.
• 33:39
  But that's all they have to do. There was just enough as well
• 33:42
  about the Timeless Char. Like I feel like it worked
• 33:45
  brilliantly in the fugitive of the judoon because it was a
• 33:49
  massive mystery in a big What the finally everyone was talking
• 33:53
  about it and what's it all about, blah, blah, blah, and
• 33:55
  then the Timeless children here, and it gave us more information.
• 33:58
  And all right, that was divisive.
• 33:59
  There were half that kind of loved it, half the hated it.
• 34:04
  But it was opening the show out in new ways and creative new
• 34:07
  ways and its people were still talking about how this all makes
• 34:11
  sense, you know, where you fit in the Roof Doctor and you know,
• 34:15
  will Jody open the watch and all of this you know it got people
• 34:19
  discussing this. Yes.
• 34:21
  Yeah and ultimately I mean mark my position on the time this
• 34:29
  child was I love it but it doesn't really matter.
• 34:33
  Yeah. You know I do adore the concept
• 34:37
  that the doctor has had all of these previous existences so
• 34:42
  that it does it does sort of canonize the morbius doctors and
• 34:47
  things like that. And it means that there is now
• 34:52
  If people want to, and that's not just big finish, that's not
• 34:57
  even licensed, people, that's fanfic writers.
• 34:59
  That's artist. Is anyone can go back of each
• 35:02
  phrase and turn a little bit of that playground.
• 35:06
  That got some pit into their own.
• 35:09
  Yeah, and make of it, what they will.
• 35:11
  I should never thought of it that way but I know explaining
• 35:14
  everything that's giving people carte blanche to fill in those
• 35:17
  blanks, isn't it? Absolutely.
• 35:19
  Yeah. And in, Was the even if Doctor
• 35:23
  Who went away from our screens that there would be a whole new
• 35:30
  swathe of things like the Virgin new adventures we had in the 90s
• 35:37
  but you can do them with a continuing doctor you can go
• 35:41
  back and tell stories from before the first doctor you can
• 35:46
  have places like big finish feeding that as well and they
• 35:51
  will. I have this potential, I'm sorry
• 35:55
  to interrupt you but I just God bless Chris, chibnall for going
• 35:58
  back to Dan shrunken house and how announcer shot.
• 36:02
  Oh yeah, my house, it's time. And also as well I've got us a
• 36:08
  ride because we just had a cintiq in, in a minute ago,
• 36:10
  right. You know, Tegan on the phone and
• 36:13
  Indonesia wherever she is, that's exactly how my mom used
• 36:15
  to look down the phone. Oh, oh, she's not quite sure how
• 36:21
  to use it, you know. I mean I do like the fact that
• 36:26
  they reference Day of the Doctor as well with the art in the
• 36:29
  gallery. I think that's definitely an on
• 36:32
  today of the doctor. Yeah, absolutely.
• 36:34
  Yeah. Oh and this is a nod to twice
• 36:37
  Upon a Time with the defective darling.
• 36:40
  There's gone good? Yes, yeah.
• 36:45
  I loved that doll. Like he's a nod to the the Dalek
• 36:48
  Civil Wars of like, remembrance this Aces again.
• 36:54
  She's mixed in with the DAR legs and the Daleks.
• 36:57
  Although there's only one in this case, the dialects are
• 37:01
  pissy about purity again. That's so true of the Daleks I
• 37:07
  may be feel the Daleks are a little wasted here but I mean
• 37:13
  this is a celebration of Doctor Who they've got to be in here.
• 37:16
  They've got to be in the top six and she references davros here
• 37:20
  as well and your creator would be both impressed and horrified.
• 37:25
  Yeah, love it. If there was a story, if there
• 37:29
  was a story to be told at one element of this, that could have
• 37:32
  been expanded a lot more. It's this individual.
• 37:35
  I could imagine A whole episode of by play between Jodie
• 37:39
  Whittaker and a Dalek, who's gone?
• 37:40
  Goose. I think one of the criticisms of
• 37:43
  Chris chibnall is that he throws so many ideas into one episode.
• 37:50
  That could be a whole story in of themselves.
• 37:55
  Again, kind of like that, it's clear he's not short of ideas,
• 38:01
  you know, he's got a Doctor Who brain.
• 38:05
  This is clearly been something that is bubbled away even the
• 38:10
  way that he's formatted and shaped his Seasons.
• 38:14
  It's very clear that he had an idea where he was when he
• 38:17
  started, what he wanted to do and where he wanted to go and
• 38:20
  where it was going to end up. Can I say as well?
• 38:25
  I'm doing this now but Master is refusing, right?
• 38:29
  Okay. Not only do I think the
• 38:30
  shattered 21 is the absolute Pinnacle this episode.
• 38:34
  I think his performance, he steals this.
• 38:38
  It's one of the best performances I've ever seen a
• 38:40
  doctor. I was riveted every time he was
• 38:42
  on screen, especially as the Rasputin's master.
• 38:46
  I so good and and second I can own a score.
• 38:50
  Yeah, around. They see where he's going like,
• 38:52
  dude. 222-2222. Well, folks, delgado's Master
• 38:57
  theme from the seventies. So that was the first thing that
• 39:01
  struck me watching this scene here, where he does the, he
• 39:06
  doesn't even need to say it. They say and I will obey you.
• 39:11
  Well, I don't know if you watched any of the series 8
• 39:15
  behind the sofa. Porches.
• 39:16
  Well, this is a guy he's watching, Roger, Delgado, and I
• 39:19
  think he's done up to the time to children, so that point and
• 39:22
  he goes, wow. He's really still.
• 39:24
  And he's so menacing I know when I was watching this, I was like,
• 39:27
  you've taken knows, because he suddenly really contained.
• 39:31
  But only is this version of the master only as this one.
• 39:36
  Yeah he is his regular Master self that we saw in season 12 or
• 39:43
  serious. 12. He he does he doesn't.
• 39:48
  It's the way he stood there with his hand across across his the
• 39:52
  bottom of his Fast. And that is so Delgado.
• 39:57
  He's so Delgado in that soon. You want that beautiful images?
• 40:01
  What about this room that they're in?
• 40:02
  And that's not. That is a genuine location.
• 40:05
  It's gorgeous, isn't me? Yeah, and you know what, right?
• 40:09
  This is the king Steamers, isn't it?
• 40:10
  It's the master in a ludicrous disguise in the past.
• 40:14
  Yeah, yeah, even the Kings demons is being celebrated here
• 40:20
  and rightly. So I quite like the Kings
• 40:22
  demons. Are you and Jason Miller.
• 40:24
  I think you might be the only But, you know, but no, I, I was
• 40:31
  incredibly impressed with sagittal on in this.
• 40:33
  I've loved his master, always her.
• 40:34
  I think he's almost, I fall is something else when he goes from
• 40:38
  0 to the master, but oh my God, you saw that breathless imagery.
• 40:42
  Did you see that zoom in onto the planet?
• 40:44
  Yeah, gorgeous, totally gorgeous.
• 40:48
  I read that. It's about, is Star Wars good?
• 40:51
  That it's that you asked Quarry, I think when they superimposed,
• 40:55
  But great domes and cities. This is Smokies is going off in
• 40:59
  the background. There's light playing over the
• 41:03
  landscape behind the tomb where we are watching this.
• 41:06
  I said tomorrow, I love the fact that there's smoke billowing out
• 41:09
  of the planet because it makes it feel like it's a machine.
• 41:13
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 41:15
  Exactly. And that time, dance hardest.
• 41:18
  Yeah. What's that evoking?
• 41:20
  The Godless. Yeah, exactly.
• 41:22
  It. Look, I know what all is.
• 41:25
  Well ha ha ha. That's really a joker.
• 41:29
  That's so well, that's evoking every Master going is always
• 41:34
  laughing his head off. Yeah.
• 41:37
  This, the cinematography inside this dark targets, we've all the
• 41:41
  the dry-ice pumping. Now takes us back to the Sim
• 41:45
  Master with that with that engine that he did in the
• 41:49
  doctors Tardis, the end of all the Paradox, it made me think of
• 41:59
  when they go into the other side is that it's a lot darker.
• 42:01
  It gets darker and darker and darker than wall, they got and
• 42:04
  then suddenly they come back into their own on I take my I'll
• 42:09
  I really am quite keen on the Jodie.
• 42:11
  Whittaker console room. I know some people, I'm I really
• 42:14
  like kind of how beautiful it is but I find when they turn the
• 42:17
  lights down like that and they did the same thing in.
• 42:20
  Can you hear me? There's lots of blue and it just
• 42:25
  looks striking. It reminds me of the time
• 42:30
  monster Tower this with the washing bowls on the wall it
• 42:34
  reminds me of that. Because I love those those
• 42:44
  hexagons that are back from the console that they remind me of
• 42:48
  that so much because they add depth to the Tar.
• 42:51
  This and they had a different play of Shadow and light in
• 42:57
  there, which damn all about this quarrying.
• 43:01
  So this is a real good example of when I was watching it,
• 43:04
  thinking of you the sort of this Youthful jellyfish with tendrils
• 43:08
  of energy coming home soon. Cyber Planet.
• 43:11
  I was like my God is this is this the imagery with working
• 43:15
  with these eyes and Doctor Who which is crazy?
• 43:18
  Isn't it rarely when you think about what Doctor Who is and its
• 43:23
  roots? And the fact that we're at a
• 43:27
  point where we're still missing so much of its history yet
• 43:33
  Doctor Who now is being presented like a big budget.
• 43:36
  It sci-fi movie. And in fact, better than some
• 43:41
  Sci-Fi movies, you know. Oh, my God, and did you say that
• 43:47
  the way he lifted up his fists that Cyberman?
• 43:49
  Yeah, that's very David Banks, isn't it?
• 43:54
  He went on Twitter. The fellow who plays him and
• 43:56
  said it was a, it was a not today with bank, so fantastic.
• 44:00
  Okay bro, I'll take that and this bit here, right way.
• 44:04
  It can used to it though. They're in the middle of this
• 44:05
  adventure. On the Cyber planet and then
• 44:08
  along comes another adventure and she's like, can it?
• 44:10
  Wait, no. That's the clever thing about
• 44:15
  this episode. Is that the doctor keeps getting
• 44:18
  pulled to different things and then realize is that actually
• 44:24
  these aren't different things. Well, it is a thing Jeff that
• 44:28
  the doctor does generally tend to have these linear Adventures.
• 44:31
  Yeah, nothing else interrupts in fact, in real life, if you were
• 44:33
  bouncing about all over time and space, I think These are
• 44:36
  Ventures would converge if only the dialects is invaded in the
• 44:40
  Armageddon Factor. We'd have a much better story.
• 44:46
  Therefore it. Oh my God, here we go. 13 with
• 44:52
  Ace and Tegan or she's a right stroppy mayor and she chimel
• 44:56
  knows exactly how to characterize that.
• 44:58
  He's not going to make her soft like, you know, like he could
• 45:01
  have done it. No, he's just like she's pissed
• 45:04
  as hell as she always was. Yeah.
• 45:11
  And I love case you in this, you know, I have been a bit distant
• 45:15
  with kstuart especially with her big finish performances.
• 45:18
  She showed a bit arranging this. It's actually listening to her
• 45:21
  big finish, stuff that I've begun to, appreciate kstuart.
• 45:26
  I've only heard a few, maybe I should keep going.
• 45:30
  They're really solid really solid stories.
• 45:36
  We have we got to a point. Now we're bringing back classic
• 45:40
  companions with new doctors is old hat.
• 45:43
  Or is it still exciting? Well on TV, we've only really
• 45:52
  had it once before well twice before.
• 45:55
  But both times were Sarah. These are the first returning
• 46:00
  classic companions now but does it need to be done again?
• 46:06
  Probably not for a bit. Yeah.
• 46:08
  Yeah. But I think they're well-chosen
• 46:10
  actually and they contribute to the story in different ways.
• 46:15
  And I thought honestly Tegan, I can't stop laughing of that bit
• 46:19
  where she goes, and yes, I would like to go into the Tardis Janet
• 46:27
  Fielding. Crazy isn't it?
• 46:32
  I'm Alberto. So that's point out that such as
• 46:35
  one is the hottest person to ever talk to who died in his
• 46:39
  various guises in this episode will not too Missy there as well
• 46:44
  with the screen. Yeah.
• 46:46
  Where it comes up that that bit in.
• 46:51
  Oh God. Which is familiar?
• 46:55
  No, the first one. Magician's Apprentice.
• 46:58
  Oh, Yes. Yeah, it's been a while.
• 47:01
  I watched it for a while. I want to be honest.
• 47:05
  I've seen our I'm going to. This is my one of a couple of
• 47:09
  moments where I was just like, really this whole Professor.
• 47:13
  You're really staticky. I was like, what clearly
• 47:17
  something has been set up it but it was a bit awkward.
• 47:19
  Yes. Yeah.
• 47:20
  I thought it was to do with the impending regeneration or - I
• 47:29
  wasn't sure. But yeah, it is a bit.
• 47:31
  Mmm. Oh, can I tell you say it,
• 47:34
  right? Where this scene is being shot
• 47:35
  right now. Yeah, yeah, this is the gate in
• 47:39
  Cardiff where my Roth used to work and was working the day.
• 47:44
  They filmed this so he met, so I should warn you met, Jodie,
• 47:48
  Whittaker, he had lunch with the unit soldiers, that storm in,
• 47:54
  and basically, so they brought in all of our stuff, right?
• 47:59
  Yeah. To film the day before and then
• 48:01
  they were filming the next day and that I told you no don't go
• 48:05
  in there. So of course, he went in there,
• 48:07
  didn't he? He found all the little people,
• 48:09
  he's like, oh my God. But Martha's going to be
• 48:11
  understands all little people and toys and you never guess
• 48:14
  what? Jeff some stupid member of the
• 48:17
  production team. Left a bit of this quick behind
• 48:20
  about 10, pages of the script. He's been sitting on that ever
• 48:22
  since. Oh my God, although take an 1/8,
• 48:26
  we're going to be in this ages before lessons are the Sea Dogs
• 48:30
  trailer drops because unfortunately add pages them to
• 48:32
  in it. I may very well.
• 48:37
  Have known a little in advance as well.
• 48:41
  It was but I've got a site but it didn't come from you.
• 48:44
  It was an incredible day said it was an incredible day and you
• 48:49
  know what? Because he looks at a CCTV
• 48:51
  footage afterwards and Patio. It's long-winded this filming.
• 48:55
  I mean, the sequences are amazing.
• 48:56
  It is worth the time but I spent hours and hours shooting these
• 49:00
  little scenes. Yeah, I can believe it, I can
• 49:04
  believe it because they have to do distant shots there.
• 49:07
  Do closing shots there. There's so much that goes into
• 49:10
  making a TV program that for us flies by and we go, it's pretty
• 49:18
  straightforward. But now even the most
• 49:21
  straightforward scenes of ridiculous.
• 49:23
  Well, one thing that really struck me was as I read the
• 49:27
  script. Yeah, that's great.
• 49:30
  That was left behind was like God some of this dialogue.
• 49:33
  Sounds really clunky. Like when he's saying pinky
• 49:35
  promise and things like this, I like watching the episode.
• 49:38
  I was like, I could see how much the actors bring to script it
• 49:44
  does. He makes everything sound
• 49:47
  effortless. I've done a little bit of just
• 49:51
  messing around writing, rarely and it eats a lot easier as well
• 49:56
  if you can hear and see the specific actor that you're
• 50:00
  writing fours performance. So if I'm right in A doctor seen
• 50:08
  or sentence, then I hear it in his voice and if I can hear it
• 50:12
  in his voice and I know that I'm along the right lines.
• 50:17
  So I imagine Chris wrote a lot of this, with Jodi's voice with
• 50:22
  Sasha's voice with man. Dips voice in his ears.
• 50:26
  Almost, you know, but there's like one like when she walks in
• 50:31
  and she's like, bring it all the plot points together.
• 50:33
  She's going, well, you've got a quarry inks and a cyber planet
• 50:36
  and another I'll read another page going.
• 50:38
  How is anyone going to make that sound natural?
• 50:40
  And then Jodie, Whittaker storms in the room full of Charisma and
• 50:43
  confidence and she Paces the line, Yoshi structures, the line
• 50:47
  brilliantly. So all just happens.
• 50:50
  It's fluid it. All just comes out fluidly and I
• 50:53
  was like Talan. Yeah, yeah.
• 50:57
  It's it's, I mean, he knows Jodi really well by now, anyway, I
• 51:02
  mean, they've worked together for years.
• 51:06
  So he knows her capabilities probably better than she does.
• 51:11
  And I wonder if he had to convince her to take this part
• 51:16
  and say to her, I know you can do this because I think anyone,
• 51:21
  any actor who got offered the job of the doctor, Would be.
• 51:28
  A little hesitant at first, at least today.
• 51:31
  It's a loss wasn't Davison. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:36
  I love the Masters Panic at. Why the Daleks are contacting
• 51:40
  the doctor but he knows all along today.
• 51:44
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:45
  It's Double Bluff again. It's you're right.
• 51:49
  She goes and she says, you know, there's this happening and then
• 51:52
  this happening and there's this happening, is this, lots of
• 51:55
  things happening or is this a one part of one grand scheme?
• 51:58
  You know and then she's like oh the Masters involved or course
• 52:01
  it is. Then you know this man thinks on
• 52:04
  an epic scale. Yeah, contrived.
• 52:08
  He thinks only contrived scale, but you know what someone said,
• 52:13
  right? I saw someone put on Twitter if
• 52:15
  you're telling me that the Masters managed to, you know,
• 52:18
  Falls. All these deals with the Daleks
• 52:19
  and the Cybermen, and create a cyber planet and lower the
• 52:23
  doctor in purely. For the reason to dance to
• 52:26
  Rasputin in front of all three of them.
• 52:29
  He said well then that's all the reason that I need.
• 52:32
  Yeah, that's good enough for me. Where the Dalek at the side,
• 52:37
  man. Look at each other as, if to
• 52:39
  say, what is going off? Made me how it laughter.
• 52:45
  Yeah, I've seen a few people say, oh, that was cringy.
• 52:48
  I'm right now, just just, just, just relax into the fun of it.
• 52:52
  Relax into the deep. It was campus fucking Christmas,
• 52:56
  or for us back in the ground, William zero.
• 52:58
  And that's the most important thing, because Doctor Who has
• 53:02
  always been campers Christmas. Oh course it has I'm competing
• 53:08
  in the original sense of the word as well because Camp was
• 53:13
  gone through a few sort of. It's always been camp but Camp
• 53:17
  wasn't originally what we now, think of as Camp.
• 53:21
  It had a other slightly different intent.
• 53:27
  I think back in like the sixth late 60s. 70s is what I think
• 53:32
  maybe back then. It was a little derogatory.
• 53:34
  Now it? Yes, you're right.
• 53:36
  Yeah campy maybe maybe let's tear away camping but silly dog.
• 53:40
  Who's always been silly? No it's all think actually ideas
• 53:44
  Christmas and that is how I love that bit there where he said to
• 53:51
  Ace and Tegan. What where's Rodney?
• 53:53
  Vanessa be built a nice dolls house for her yet.
• 54:00
  This, this is the bit where I went, he is exactly where he
• 54:05
  wants to be and that's when I started getting really scared
• 54:09
  for everyone's well-being. I was like, what do you do?
• 54:14
  Feel safe? Now that I'm locked in here with
• 54:17
  you or something like that. But also loved as well, how he
• 54:21
  was throwing out a couple of I bought Rusty over to the
• 54:23
  punching the air. He's like I'll boys you know you
• 54:25
  want to come in the sale and get cozy with me and stuff like
• 54:27
  that. I was like that bunk up in the
• 54:29
  Cough. I'm most excited about.
• 54:33
  I see ghosts about being a cheetah person.
• 54:34
  Were egos, a man's. Got our experiment.
• 54:37
  I was like, well, on like chipping, always giving him
• 54:40
  class a dialogue in this and the was just eating it up.
• 54:46
  A thing that we've been here a few times as well with the
• 54:49
  doctrine. Yeah, it's a jazz singer.
• 54:50
  Know you gotta make time to explain what's going on because
• 54:54
  I'm just being pushed from Pillar To Post.
• 54:56
  Yeah. Yeah, it's this this has been
• 55:00
  Jodi's. Doctor really is not wanting to
• 55:06
  open up, not wanting to share. Because she doesn't want to hurt
• 55:12
  anyone and she doesn't want to hurt herself by opening up
• 55:18
  because the second you start opening up to people, you give
• 55:21
  them power over you as well. And yeah, as I don't know,
• 55:26
  there's something about this relationship that she does open
• 55:29
  up to her at the end of Legends of the sea levels and then at
• 55:32
  the end of this is ambiguous. And you know what?
• 55:35
  When I was watching, I was like, oh, please lean in and kiss her.
• 55:37
  Now, I'm pleased that she didn't because I'm like, No, it's
• 55:40
  ambiguous issue in love with her, she loves being with her,
• 55:44
  you can read it how you want? Yes.
• 55:47
  Yeah, I mean, I think for me, she's clear they clearly in love
• 55:51
  and they clearly both know that that would only lead to
• 55:56
  something terrible in the end and that they just can't.
• 56:01
  I said, I said in the podcast last night, another time,
• 56:05
  another place and of the way, yeah, they would.
• 56:08
  Absolutely have. Got to go.
• 56:10
  Either and lived happily ever after.
• 56:13
  But it's not this time or this place or this way, the all of
• 56:17
  their life I love are not skipping rods the end here.
• 56:19
  But you know, this thing works is always linear the bit where
• 56:22
  they're sitting on the Tardis that beautiful scene with her
• 56:24
  and sort of having the ice cream.
• 56:26
  And they've literally got the whole world in front of them.
• 56:28
  It's like the whole world of possibilities of their
• 56:31
  relationship in front of them, and they can't have it.
• 56:33
  And then she's got to go and she's got a, she's gonna die.
• 56:37
  I so sad. And it's, but it's lovely as
• 56:39
  well. Because it is an acknowledgement
• 56:41
  of how they feel. Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 56:43
  It's it's a very adult, a very odd or a very not an adult, a
• 56:49
  very mature way of Verdi's wrong with it.
• 56:54
  I think we're used to having very in-your-face
• 56:57
  characterization in the new series and this is done very
• 57:02
  delicately right at the end. They just let the tears fly and
• 57:07
  and the doctors even got one tear on her cheek which is and
• 57:11
  that's when she's in the Tardis. Oh well man dips blubbing arise.
• 57:16
  Oh my God, Lily broke Faith but after bit always gets me because
• 57:19
  you know what I feel like when Jody when the doctor says your
• 57:24
  hands glowing. And she says you know what this
• 57:26
  means don't you? I feel like then they look at
• 57:29
  each other and that's not the doctor.
• 57:30
  And Yaz is Jody a man dip Amanda's got tears in her eyes.
• 57:35
  It's like yeah this journey is coming to an end and we've had
• 57:37
  the best time. Yeah, yeah.
• 57:40
  I'm fine that's very real. It's the bit where Jody has to
• 57:44
  compose herself when they're talking on the roof of the
• 57:47
  TARDIS and you can see I have to actually have to bring back some
• 57:53
  very real emotions as a person, not as the doctor but as Jodie
• 57:59
  Whittaker, because she's clearly had an absolute blast, but as
• 58:05
  well, like the line where she says, And my heart's are so full
• 58:11
  and that's what I think about with this doctor is just
• 58:15
  spreading love and embracing everybody.
• 58:19
  I just thought that line was perfect and one skip to the end
• 58:22
  and we've got side minutes. I can you know I know it's and
• 58:25
  we've got hasten. Siegen with machine guns.
• 58:29
  Someone's been reading my wishlist shift the terrifying, a
• 58:33
  Shad bag Mod 8, the best cyber man ever.
• 58:39
  Yeah yeah and I do think it's a bit.
• 58:41
  Indulgent bring it back. Don't get me wrong.
• 58:43
  But man oh man that performance is so good.
• 58:45
  Yeah really. Is it really is this bit as well
• 58:49
  as it comes down the corridor and he's Darth Vader in the crap
• 58:54
  out of everyone. Like I think even in the new
• 58:57
  series they don't always get the action right.
• 59:01
  I certainly think before Jodi's time, sometimes the action will
• 59:04
  be a little bit awkward. This is muscular.
• 59:07
  This is proper paste. Explosive you know there's walls
• 59:13
  exploding you know, it's one of the things I always loved about
• 59:19
  the Pertwee era is the amount of orange explosions and things
• 59:23
  like that. But it felt very real like this.
• 59:26
  Performers are in real Jeopardy of getting clogged and there's a
• 59:31
  bit of that in this to be found the master in prison.
• 59:34
  That's the see Devils. Yeah.
• 59:37
  All Frontier in space, take it back.
• 59:39
  We can't poke a nose going up like well no actually it if I
• 59:44
  say. Yeah yeah.
• 59:44
  Yeah. 'All enemy of the world.
• 59:47
  Oh yeah. Of course.
• 59:48
  Yeah, there's so many little Toys.
• 59:53
  You can make, just make this quintessential, Doctor Who Jodi
• 59:58
  going inside the Dalek leans into Asylum of the Daleks with
• 1:00:01
  Clara and sighs. Yeah.
• 1:00:03
  Yeah. And then and the Witch's
• 1:00:04
  familiar and we get to see that lovely doll at mutant back
• 1:00:08
  again, which is my favorite doll.
• 1:00:09
  Like mutant, I'll book no argument.
• 1:00:13
  I love those darling mutants. Okay, I'm a little bit
• 1:00:15
  claustrophobic so I thought I'd been trapped inside.
• 1:00:18
  One of those dialects like she is in a minute is absolutely.
• 1:00:20
  And the way Jody just Is it is getting side.
• 1:00:23
  She just goes, no, but I remember the things just come
• 1:00:27
  and whip around her. It's tough.
• 1:00:32
  Cracking. Let's and this is when I got
• 1:00:34
  really excited and I was like, oh my God, it's Yaz to the
• 1:00:37
  rescue. Now, she's incredible in this.
• 1:00:41
  Is she that she really is. I've seen a lot of criticism of
• 1:00:46
  the way that man the way that Yaz has been written and a
• 1:00:51
  little bit of criticism of man. Dips performance.
• 1:00:53
  Yeah. Because they've called her To
• 1:00:56
  me, she's always been very solid.
• 1:00:58
  She's been the doctors Rock from day, one?
• 1:01:04
  And I think Mandeep, does it? Beautifully Yaz is definitely up
• 1:01:10
  there in the higher echelons of my favorite Doctor Who
• 1:01:14
  companions, because the longest-serving Doctor Who
• 1:01:16
  companion. Yeah.
• 1:01:18
  And she only wanted to go from start to finish as well and an
• 1:01:22
  entire era. Yeah.
• 1:01:26
  Oh, here we go, the Masters. Dalek plan cheeky shit, and he,
• 1:01:32
  well, that does the see an official name for Frontier in
• 1:01:36
  space and planet of the Daleks isn't it?
• 1:01:41
  But then does he say, what is it?
• 1:01:42
  The Cyber dialects. Mileside the master garlic
• 1:01:45
  plant. Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  He's picking up his. Oh, and this was brilliant.
• 1:01:51
  The way he starts taking a piss out.
• 1:01:52
  You guys were, you've got your fam, I've got more in the Daleks
• 1:01:55
  on the side men you know. And what is he says, the things
• 1:01:59
  that unites us is stronger than the things that divide us and
• 1:02:04
  that is exactly the sort of line that Jodie Whittaker would
• 1:02:06
  normally say, yeah. Yeah, it's really clever.
• 1:02:12
  He says it does vary. You that isn't it?
• 1:02:15
  What's that? He says that line is that's very
• 1:02:18
  you, that isn't it, what? You know, it says so I think to
• 1:02:22
  be always aware of the criticisms of the era and he is
• 1:02:26
  tying some of that into this. Yeah, I haven't having but then
• 1:02:30
  what he does is you've got the master taking the piss out of
• 1:02:32
  it. And then the ultimate
• 1:02:34
  conclusion, the story draws is the power of the doctor are the
• 1:02:37
  Friendship, she's made along the way, and it's those people that
• 1:02:40
  all Together to savor in this. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:46
  Without without being too, Twee, it's the friendships that we've
• 1:02:50
  made through Doctor Who sometimes that have saved us.
• 1:02:54
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  And certainly got us through. lockdown and and there, there
• 1:03:08
  are people I've spoken to you for the first time during lock
• 1:03:12
  now, Who are considered friends, you know, who not all of us have
• 1:03:18
  even met yet but they're still my mates.
• 1:03:21
  And if they need something I'll be there for, you know, if I
• 1:03:26
  can't you know I bet sired Fraser get through doing the
• 1:03:32
  podcast, through doctor who they are like my family.
• 1:03:36
  Now, you know, they sometimes think some every day there are
• 1:03:39
  massive support in my life, I'm getting it.
• 1:03:43
  Wait, I don't care. This is a celebration of Doctor
• 1:03:46
  Who so let's celebrate what book who's the Doctor Who is more
• 1:03:49
  than just the TV programmed to, to us fans, Doctor Who is, is
• 1:04:02
  It's a way of connecting with people who think like we do or
• 1:04:07
  feel like we do and that stops as making making us feel alone.
• 1:04:14
  It does. Yeah.
• 1:04:15
  Jeff Doctor Who, what a absolutely cringe for me to say
• 1:04:19
  this, but I'm gonna say it. It brought me my mark, you know?
• 1:04:22
  Yeah. And and change my life for a
• 1:04:25
  found Lee for the better. Yeah.
• 1:04:27
  Good. I'm getting very tweet over the
• 1:04:30
  master dancing to Rasputin. Do you love the way that the
• 1:04:34
  chandelier goes? All disco?
• 1:04:40
  Oh my God. It's amazing.
• 1:04:42
  My girls. Absolutely pop.
• 1:04:44
  Particularly nice because apparently it's a tick tock
• 1:04:46
  Trend or some valid. I know, I don't look at
• 1:04:48
  Tick-Tock but they were like, oh, will you do the dance when
• 1:04:52
  he did the dance? I was talking about.
• 1:04:57
  And of course, what I mean, if we are doing this, this is
• 1:05:00
  leaning into I can't decide from last of the time Lords.
• 1:05:03
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:05:05
  Now, I'm going to say, Chris chibnall is not above looking at
• 1:05:08
  Rusty Davis's time seeing what work there and playing about
• 1:05:12
  with those ideas. Again, he does.
• 1:05:13
  It with the master reveal like he did it with the the
• 1:05:16
  lighthouse was effectively the human nature watch, wasn't it?
• 1:05:21
  He does it with the companions around the Tardis, the doctor
• 1:05:23
  Gathering these people? Yeah.
• 1:05:29
  It's but each, you know, I really stress.
• 1:05:32
  Higher towards remind me of David Tennant and the time all
• 1:05:37
  this is absolutely the two boobs.
• 1:05:40
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:42
  But you know what, for once, right?
• 1:05:44
  If I want, it's all okay. Like 141, if this was supposed
• 1:05:48
  to be the final two episode. Then yeah, let's look back at
• 1:05:53
  everything that worked and celebrates it.
• 1:05:55
  But to if this is the BBC Centenary story and doctors been
• 1:05:59
  a big part of that, let's celebrate all of it.
• 1:06:02
  I don't think you can complain about any of the Easter eggs in
• 1:06:05
  this. No, none, none.
• 1:06:07
  And I wouldn't because, You have to look at it.
• 1:06:12
  This this story has a two-fold job. it has celebrate 60 years
• 1:06:19
  of Doctor Who or 59 years of Doctor Who And and it's moments
• 1:06:27
  and its impact on the BBC. And it has to say goodbye to Joe
• 1:06:32
  you Whitaker and I think it balances it beautifully.
• 1:06:39
  I agree. I feel like it does everything
• 1:06:43
  that it needs to do without doing too much.
• 1:06:48
  Do you know what else? I think it actually has that
• 1:06:50
  third thing as well. I think it gives Sacha to one's
• 1:06:56
  Master. He's big story because this
• 1:06:59
  whole middle section is handed to him.
• 1:07:02
  And boy, he just runs with it, doesn't it?
• 1:07:05
  He's great as the doctor master and Jeff Islands.
• 1:07:11
  God, he looks so hot in her costume.
• 1:07:13
  I knew you were gonna say that. Beautiful.
• 1:07:19
  And he's a bit evil as well. So I'm a straight man and that I
• 1:07:22
  thought he is pulling that shit off.
• 1:07:25
  Yeah, we've got the earrings as well as yeah?
• 1:07:27
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Which one of the things we were talking about when the doctor
• 1:07:32
  regenerates, it is the Airing going to stay these were what
• 1:07:35
  these were the questions that people are asking years ago.
• 1:07:40
  Yes. Yes, it is.
• 1:07:42
  There you go by all accounts. A shit.
• 1:07:44
  One is a very quiet sort. Thoughtful sensitive bloke.
• 1:07:50
  This is not how he behaves at all and yet he gives himself
• 1:07:54
  over there's a bit in a minute in the Tardis between the doctor
• 1:07:58
  and yeah, it's where he goes. I am not a doctor and he's right
• 1:08:02
  in her face and there's always has the touch.
• 1:08:05
  I thought they were going to kiss or so it was just electric
• 1:08:09
  and I was like, fuck up me. He is good.
• 1:08:12
  And so there's man, dips stoic in the face of that, pure rage
• 1:08:16
  as well. They both have it sitting there
• 1:08:21
  on that rock pulling out his little whistle and singing doing
• 1:08:24
  the power of the Daleks to I do. I it's but I saw it and I think
• 1:08:29
  this is his best showing all I think he's great in all of his
• 1:08:32
  episodes, but but I think chip Mill fell like that.
• 1:08:36
  He needed to give his master a good section of this and he
• 1:08:41
  does. I mean, who better to again, if
• 1:08:44
  this was supposed to be the last TV story, at least of this run
• 1:08:52
  who better to have in there as the master you know the doctors
• 1:08:59
  the doctors arch-nemesis I just think he's like he is
• 1:09:05
  unpredictable and he is very Sinister but he's massively
• 1:09:10
  charismatic and sexy as well and it's just all it surrounded
• 1:09:15
  performers. But to me, I don't really want
• 1:09:18
  to pull favorites, but he's my favorite new series master.
• 1:09:25
  It's very different from Gomes, he's very different from see
• 1:09:28
  him. I love Missy, I love Missy, but
• 1:09:33
  I like the master to be the master but evil, I don't mean
• 1:09:38
  that in a masculine feminine way.
• 1:09:41
  I mean, I don't like mrs. Redemption Arc.
• 1:09:45
  I told ya, I rather do like that.
• 1:09:52
  That's it. The Masters too far gone.
• 1:09:57
  The master is too far gone and has done too much too many times
• 1:10:02
  for that to of I mean, I know the doctor is endlessly
• 1:10:06
  forgiving but but the damage that the master is raw since
• 1:10:12
  their first appearance over the years, I think even the doctor
• 1:10:18
  at their most benevolent would have difficulty in doing
• 1:10:24
  anything that but I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:10:29
  We all see doc to differently. Like I say, I love Missy though.
• 1:10:34
  I do Missy. And I'm Doctor.
• 1:10:36
  Who is one of my favorite lines in the show ever?
• 1:10:42
  Oh, I love the love. This again is weird imagery with
• 1:10:45
  these bizarre plants sprouting out from the planet Doctor Who
• 1:10:49
  should always look like dr. Who should be weird almost
• 1:10:54
  cartoon-esque but and alien it should be alien that that shot
• 1:11:00
  of him. There standing outside, the
• 1:11:01
  Tardis is shot in exactly the same way as Missy.
• 1:11:04
  At the Tardis in the world enough and time.
• 1:11:06
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:11:07
  In fact, it's standing in the doorway in exactly the same way.
• 1:11:10
  Yes, I'm not as well. But I like this idea of him now
• 1:11:14
  going round the universe and perverting, the doctor's name
• 1:11:19
  and turning planets a jar, and it's very kind of Simply but
• 1:11:25
  vividly depicted with two worlds.
• 1:11:27
  Clearly firing missiles at each other.
• 1:11:30
  So, I think that's kind of letting the kids know, in a very
• 1:11:33
  kind of powerful visual. This is what is going to do if
• 1:11:36
  he's allowed to get away with this.
• 1:11:38
  Yeah, I love his choice of costume as well.
• 1:11:43
  And I just love it when you suddenly get is, it's all noise
• 1:11:46
  and all pace and this one, you get a quiet moment like this
• 1:11:50
  where he's playing the Penny Whistle with just the lights
• 1:11:53
  playing across the surface. How did you know any of this was
• 1:11:57
  coming with the eloped? Not a clue.
• 1:12:00
  I was in floods of tears but a suit.
• 1:12:04
  This shot of what we're looking down and then you see the first
• 1:12:09
  doctor and I knew that was the first doctor immediately.
• 1:12:14
  I didn't need, I just thought maybe it would be in just him.
• 1:12:17
  And then as I started to do my favorite when Colin came out, I
• 1:12:21
  was screaming weird. A word and this is very.
• 1:12:27
  I like that. This is a sort of visual
• 1:12:31
  metaphor for what it is like to regenerate.
• 1:12:35
  Yes, yeah, this Barren Wasteland, the telegraph poles,
• 1:12:41
  connecting, all of the wires. It's like the web of time.
• 1:12:46
  Early McGann always going on about the web of time.
• 1:12:51
  You know what? This feels like this.
• 1:12:52
  The doctor inside her own head. Talking to previous versions of
• 1:12:56
  herself within a metaphor. This feels like the new
• 1:12:58
  adventures. Yes.
• 1:13:00
  And it also feels like the 11, you can now understand how the
• 1:13:05
  11 from Big finish operates. and now this year, Yeah I'll pull my
• 1:13:13
  God looks resplendent, doesn't it?
• 1:13:15
  Yeah, ages. Yeah.
• 1:13:18
  You know what? There's just not enough
• 1:13:19
  probability Theory so they'll never be enough.
• 1:13:21
  You know? You love it supposed to be coy
• 1:13:25
  rolling his eyes. What he says is always one in
• 1:13:28
  there. I love that she's wearing the
• 1:13:32
  dark coat as well. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:35
  Yeah. And he kind of says, doesn't he
• 1:13:38
  like it's this is this is It's a visual metaphor.
• 1:13:42
  All that's been conjured up. But actually this isn't what it
• 1:13:44
  is is just how you're perceiving it to be now.
• 1:13:49
  So so all those people are going, oh well, you know, I
• 1:13:51
  didn't envisage it as a Chasm with a telegraph pole.
• 1:13:54
  Well no, it's just what she's a brain making sense of what's
• 1:13:58
  Happening. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:01
  I'll call it. I love you so much.
• 1:14:04
  The fact that Colin Baker is back on Doctor.
• 1:14:07
  Who that's my world. It says a lot for him as well.
• 1:14:12
  He was happy to come back. I mean we need we've known for
• 1:14:16
  years. That he would always come back
• 1:14:17
  if he was invited, but I think that says a lot for him given
• 1:14:22
  given his history in the show. It was about Bloody time.
• 1:14:27
  And this is, this is the first time really the Paul mcgann's
• 1:14:30
  been in the, the TV show. Since 96, but that's not the TV
• 1:14:38
  show. That was a one of made-for-tv
• 1:14:40
  movie in America ever. This is his first time ever in
• 1:14:44
  the show. This is really other than other
• 1:14:47
  than pictures. This is the first time Paul
• 1:14:50
  mcgann's actually been in proper Doctor Who now I love the TV
• 1:14:55
  movie. So, it took me a long time to
• 1:14:59
  learn to love the TV movie because when I was 18 and it
• 1:15:04
  came out I did not love the TV movie.
• 1:15:09
  But I was I wasn't in the right place to be receptive to the TV
• 1:15:14
  movie at the time. Me you know that empty chair
• 1:15:18
  around the companion. Anonymous scene with the laptop
• 1:15:20
  on it. That's dr.
• 1:15:21
  Grace Holloway beaming in there. Hello, everybody is about the
• 1:15:26
  doctor. If, if Jackie lame was still
• 1:15:32
  with us, it would have been a zoom meeting with dodo poly
• 1:15:36
  great. Yeah, it could be, that's the
• 1:15:38
  point of that chair. Isn't it?
• 1:15:39
  If I can? Yeah, whoever you want it to be
• 1:15:42
  and it does as well. Yeah, it says it's a laptop
• 1:15:47
  looking into this meeting looking into the world of Doctor
• 1:15:52
  Who and the Doctor Who companions, which is what we've
• 1:15:55
  done from day one. Well, sairam the circle with a
• 1:15:59
  lot of talk through actors are that in the Convention as well.
• 1:16:01
  You know, going back to the doctors quickly, right.
• 1:16:05
  I do think they all equip themselves brilliantly in this
• 1:16:08
  yet, but I'm going to say science is going to stun you and
• 1:16:10
  listeners rigid. Because I'm I'm very often quite
• 1:16:15
  critical Sylvester McCoy and he's acting.
• 1:16:18
  I thought, hey was he gave the best performance out of all of
• 1:16:21
  them and that the sequence where he gets told to Ace and talks
• 1:16:25
  about letting your children. I and it's lean into that sort
• 1:16:30
  of brooding presence McCoy that you getting dosed by stories
• 1:16:34
  like that. And I was just like, fuck me.
• 1:16:36
  I wish I could have had a few more seasons of him like this.
• 1:16:42
  I haven't, I haven't on-off relationship with Sylvester
• 1:16:45
  McCoy is dr. Not because it's so I love
• 1:16:48
  silver two pieces, I think he's great but because of the way
• 1:16:53
  Colin Baker was treated and that put me on the wrong foot with
• 1:16:57
  the Seventh Doctor that I never quite managed heard that before
• 1:17:01
  sync up with him. Are you sure it was a terrible
• 1:17:07
  now? I think he's wonderful.
• 1:17:09
  Oh yes yeah, great. Yeah, he's a bit of a It.
• 1:17:14
  And he's also the one that I'm absolutely 100% convinced has at
• 1:17:18
  least some recollection of the time this child.
• 1:17:21
  He is that he is the one doctor that I think in some level new
• 1:17:27
  and that's why he goes around doing all this unfinished
• 1:17:29
  business, why he's the one doctor that remembered all that
• 1:17:33
  stuff back in remembrance wasn't it about Omega and the Hand of
• 1:17:36
  Omega and yeah, exactly example. This bit here right where where
• 1:17:41
  it gets taken this long speech about husbands and our seen off
• 1:17:46
  this and that building for the Cybermen that's easy.
• 1:17:49
  What's the plan? But the line where she says, I
• 1:17:51
  was an air hostess to be a tease.
• 1:17:58
  No, it's like a row. I figure that is, it's a bit of
• 1:18:00
  a dodgy speech, but that line is bang on.
• 1:18:06
  I love it because Teigen The time Chris chibnall was growing,
• 1:18:13
  though would have been a very dominant and strong force within
• 1:18:19
  Doctor Who for the first time really seeing the female
• 1:18:22
  companion. Being that feisty, that that
• 1:18:28
  critical of the doctor, it was quite unusual.
• 1:18:33
  She always made me feel like I was being told off by an older
• 1:18:36
  sister but, you know, I don't have an older sister but Tegan
• 1:18:41
  was as if he's got it. Filled recessions.
• 1:18:43
  Lucy from Peters. Yes.
• 1:18:45
  Yeah. And you know, we haven't really
• 1:18:50
  talked enough about the two of them in this, but I just think
• 1:18:53
  he uses them both but like ice is jumping off a building with a
• 1:18:58
  baseball bat in a rucksack, you know, being shot at by a
• 1:19:01
  Cyberman Tegan is a stroppy mayor who's got to let everybody
• 1:19:05
  live. She's pissed off but she's still
• 1:19:07
  going to do our best. I mean, he characterizes them
• 1:19:09
  both. Excellently.
• 1:19:12
  As a child of the, a is, it's such a deep, well, of nostalgic,
• 1:19:18
  for me, it's two very impactful companions who had presence and
• 1:19:29
  force and make themselves noticed, you know, and made
• 1:19:35
  themselves loved as well. I think is the important thing.
• 1:19:39
  I The connect a little more with Tegan and I did Ace because I
• 1:19:43
  was a bit younger and so she was more impactful on me and because
• 1:19:49
  I was still on the wrong foot with McCrory.
• 1:19:53
  Even by that, by the time Ace came along, I was still a bit.
• 1:19:56
  Hmm. Luckily, I've been able to go
• 1:19:59
  back and re-watch all the McCrory, many many, many times.
• 1:20:02
  And it now I just get nostalgic for being a kid again, and I was
• 1:20:07
  watching this I initially fall. That Sophie aldred ice was
• 1:20:15
  getting all the best material. I was like, you know, because
• 1:20:17
  she's, she beats up the diet with a baseball bat.
• 1:20:20
  You know, she's flirting with Graham and all of this.
• 1:20:23
  And I think she gets sort of the more thoughtful moments and
• 1:20:26
  initially, I was like, oh, Janet field has not acted for a while
• 1:20:29
  as she, you know, like she's but, I don't know this just
• 1:20:33
  there is just something about Janet fielding's attitude that
• 1:20:36
  transcends from the 80s today. I'll say it again.
• 1:20:43
  And yes, I would like to go into the Tardis is one of my
• 1:20:46
  favorite. That's why she is really good at
• 1:20:52
  this and it's just so nice to see her back because Yeah, she
• 1:20:59
  was. She was companion for a long
• 1:21:02
  time. When I was watching as a kid and
• 1:21:05
  her departure was kind of like I never thought she'd go.
• 1:21:10
  She was she was the eighties kids, Sarah Jane to a point
• 1:21:14
  because she was there for so long and she's she kind of span
• 1:21:18
  to doctors not quite as much as Sarah did.
• 1:21:23
  But, you know, it's this is the bit with her and Paste Dives and
• 1:21:29
  and I think the AI interface thing was such a brilliant idea.
• 1:21:35
  It gave us a chance to have these.
• 1:21:37
  This is properly kissing in the past and she gets to say as
• 1:21:42
  well, I missed you and he says I missed you too.
• 1:21:45
  So all that Bluster, Falls away. And that's how they really feel
• 1:21:49
  about each other. They call stand each other with
• 1:21:54
  the doctor for, as long as she did, if she didn't love him, and
• 1:21:58
  He wouldn't have put up with her for as long as he did if he
• 1:22:01
  didn't love her, it's but it's not.
• 1:22:04
  It's not romance love. It's deeper than that.
• 1:22:08
  It's the love that you have for your own flesh and blood.
• 1:22:12
  Yeah. Yeah, I really I think I think I
• 1:22:16
  felt it here more than I did back in the 80s but I think what
• 1:22:21
  I can feel is that the Friendship that's developed
• 1:22:24
  between Peter Davison and Janet Fielding.
• 1:22:25
  Yeah, then they worked together for years but they've done all
• 1:22:29
  these big finish's together. Now call that Rapport that
• 1:22:31
  they've built up, it's astonishing you listen to those
• 1:22:34
  commentaries they do together and the chemistry between the
• 1:22:38
  two of them. So they're saying, you know,
• 1:22:40
  that they're in that scene, it's more about the actors.
• 1:22:43
  Yes, of course. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:22:46
  We're gonna pray that as well. Celebrate because because it's
• 1:22:51
  all true. Doctor Who fans have to know
• 1:22:57
  everything about everyone on screen off screen?
• 1:23:03
  You know? We know how these people are
• 1:23:06
  together in real life, even Jody and mounded, we know that
• 1:23:10
  they're best buds. They've that they've built this
• 1:23:13
  Rapport between them. I'm glad that a sense to, to the
• 1:23:20
  doctor there. I was all right for me to blow
• 1:23:22
  up stuff when you want me to, but you tell me, I'll find.
• 1:23:24
  Lies. I've always felt that.
• 1:23:26
  No one's ever said it. I've always felt where these two
• 1:23:29
  really do just slip back into it, don't they?
• 1:23:32
  I mean they have pretty much been playing opposite each other
• 1:23:36
  since they went off, are the big finish ones behind?
• 1:23:39
  They've been doing big finish now.
• 1:23:40
  For 20 odd years, you know, So this is our, you know,
• 1:23:46
  well-honed relationship but I was just astonished by McCoy's
• 1:23:52
  sore gravitas here. I felt like the centuries
• 1:23:56
  Weighing on him as he's talking about laying his companions fly.
• 1:24:06
  I mean it wasn't the start of his career but it was the start
• 1:24:10
  of his straight acting career was the doctor and he is still
• 1:24:16
  very clearly. An actor that is finding his
• 1:24:20
  feet at times in his optional run.
• 1:24:25
  Yeah, of course. I agree with that entirely.
• 1:24:27
  Where is now he's much more established.
• 1:24:29
  She's dumb blockbuster movies for Pete Jackson for Christ's
• 1:24:33
  sake. It's you know he's He's you give
• 1:24:36
  him a say now and he knows how to play it.
• 1:24:39
  Yeah. But but but you know what was
• 1:24:40
  exciting about him back in the 80s.
• 1:24:42
  I didn't really recognize it as time because there are moments
• 1:24:45
  where I feel weird, goes over a cliff and the acting gray, but
• 1:24:48
  his kind of now, I think it's kind of dangerous acting because
• 1:24:52
  when it lands, it's amazing. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:55
  We know what you're gonna get with McCoy, he's very
• 1:24:58
  unpredictable in his responses and the way he emotes those
• 1:25:04
  responses, We all have a universe of our own terrorists
• 1:25:07
  to face when it lands, it lands. Yeah.
• 1:25:13
  Unfortunately when it doesn't land, it's a beginning, probably
• 1:25:17
  getting so far, so, lonely gourd and evil, you know, Zone to God.
• 1:25:23
  I was convinced. Kate Stewart was going to be
• 1:25:24
  sacrificed in this you know? Yes.
• 1:25:27
  Yeah. Which to be fair.
• 1:25:32
  She does a cracking job of looking absolutely petrified.
• 1:25:36
  I like this bit. That's the most emotion.
• 1:25:39
  I've ever seen her play the role with?
• 1:25:41
  Yeah. And a bit where she's in the
• 1:25:43
  chair and she's screaming her head off.
• 1:25:46
  I was like, wow, this is the best material case you as has
• 1:25:50
  she We had fun doing this didn't show, I think they all did
• 1:25:55
  because they all saw as the celebration of the is they all
• 1:25:58
  saw as. A last hurrah in some ways and
• 1:26:06
  we might have been because it may very well, what not only
• 1:26:09
  might have been, but none of none of them are getting any
• 1:26:13
  younger. And certainly not what the
• 1:26:14
  doctors are concerned. This probably is the last time
• 1:26:20
  we will ever see them on the screen being the doctor.
• 1:26:24
  Yeah, there's a good good chance and that's heartbreaking to say
• 1:26:30
  and it's really sad that Tom something available, especially
• 1:26:35
  as he's Definitely Beginning to Look his age.
• 1:26:40
  Yeah even the ever has done before.
• 1:26:44
  Do you laugh though? The fact they barely
• 1:26:45
  acknowledged the fact that they're really old.
• 1:26:47
  Like there's like a there's a line that Tegan says nothing and
• 1:26:50
  he goes well, you can talk and that's enough, you know, but but
• 1:26:53
  then look at Patrick troughton in the two doctors especially
• 1:26:59
  where to be fair. He's very, he doesn't do a lot
• 1:27:04
  of moving around in that story, he is on the bed, he's The
• 1:27:07
  wheelchair. It's only really in the last
• 1:27:10
  episode, where he's going off to eat, he's like, you've got like,
• 1:27:15
  you know, you've got the line of.
• 1:27:17
  I always an interpretation of those doctors has been conjured
• 1:27:20
  up there, so that's why they're not quite right, but more
• 1:27:23
  importantly who gives a shit? Colin Baker, Paul McGann, Peter
• 1:27:27
  Davison and Sylvester McCoy are back in Doctor Who, you know,
• 1:27:32
  that's the point that was the point.
• 1:27:34
  And that was why people were so vexed with With Day of the
• 1:27:38
  Doctor. Now we his that bit that we
• 1:27:42
  don't really get an explanation for that.
• 1:27:45
  I have a headcanon for was or Tegan falling down that shaft
• 1:27:50
  and then just walking out with a bit of a sprained wrist at the
• 1:27:52
  end and I did she survive. Yeah, I was wondering that well,
• 1:27:59
  Have you read the novelization of resurrection of the Daleks by
• 1:28:06
  Eric's a word? No, go on.
• 1:28:09
  So you haven't read the, the epilogue at the end of that.
• 1:28:14
  Is she a Super Woman or something?
• 1:28:16
  Oh God, it's now. I'll admit when I first read
• 1:28:26
  that I was like oh what is this or what?
• 1:28:33
  Oh my God, it's tell you. What if we ever meet up?
• 1:28:36
  You can have my copy because I do, I hear, it's pretty
• 1:28:41
  terrible. It Revelation is better, but
• 1:28:48
  yeah. So Tegan Tegan somehow
• 1:28:50
  discovers, she has super powers to a degree.
• 1:28:56
  She can at least leap tall buildings in a single bound.
• 1:29:02
  So bizarre, but now he kind of makes sense.
• 1:29:05
  That's how she survives the fall down.
• 1:29:08
  Well, I'm glad it happened for a reason.
• 1:29:10
  It wasn't just a bizarre Quirk from the diseased mind of Eric's
• 1:29:13
  award and we can come back here. Yeah, we wouldn't.
• 1:29:17
  I think we had to have the rooftops but yes.
• 1:29:24
  Very cold, but I saw it meant shooting themselves through her.
• 1:29:27
  I love his absolute Panic that he doesn't recognize this dr.
• 1:29:31
  At all. This is a doctor that he has no
• 1:29:34
  knowledge of which means either one of two things he's failed,
• 1:29:39
  or he doesn't know everything. Yeah, we're he's got this
• 1:29:44
  perfectly structured plan and then there's this unpredictable
• 1:29:48
  element is like, what the hell, you know.
• 1:29:51
  And then there's vindico Going out as well.
• 1:29:53
  People, people questioned vendors point, my wife did
• 1:29:58
  vendors point in this story and that just there is vendors
• 1:30:03
  point. He's the only one out of all of
• 1:30:05
  the people that know, the doctor that it was isn't as attached to
• 1:30:11
  the point that he can actually pull the trigger.
• 1:30:17
  This is enough about the use of Solomon as well.
• 1:30:19
  The the Cyber Lords as like. Okay.
• 1:30:21
  We've got to do this now, they're coming.
• 1:30:24
  Yeah, you know, said it said is, so it's urgent.
• 1:30:27
  Oscar and of my are say that both Sacha Dhawan and Jodi
• 1:30:30
  whisker. Look, absolutely marvelous in
• 1:30:33
  the rest of McCoy's question, mark jumper, that of all the
• 1:30:37
  cases for the past. That was probably my favorite.
• 1:30:40
  Yes. Yeah, they really both to pull
• 1:30:43
  that off time though. When it's nice, he's looking
• 1:30:46
  jumper. I love the question marks I'm
• 1:30:50
  1/8 is kid. I was, I was meant to live the
• 1:30:53
  question marks, you know? It could only have been made
• 1:30:58
  better had Colin Baker's coat being over-the-top, but no, they
• 1:31:04
  wouldn't go that far. I don't think Todd loves Collins
• 1:31:07
  coat. I have grown to love God in sky
• 1:31:13
  without it now. She's back.
• 1:31:18
  So she has been out of sort of our story apart from those dream
• 1:31:21
  sequences for about 20 minutes yes but presents hasn't and
• 1:31:27
  that's that's very telling I think I I think it's supposed to
• 1:31:31
  be a bit like Christmas Invasion because everything goes to shit
• 1:31:35
  in the masks like right get the volcano's going you know do this
• 1:31:39
  and she suddenly got like five things.
• 1:31:40
  She's got to sort out and she's very in the Tardis game.
• 1:31:43
  Must be a way of doing all of this in one go.
• 1:31:46
  I think she has his big smile enough.
• 1:31:47
  I seems a lot, right? It's all gonna do.
• 1:31:51
  And it just shows you out. You know, she is she's a
• 1:31:54
  heroine. Yeah sure it is I Jesus Christ
• 1:31:58
  Jeff, she manages to turn entire exploding volcanoes into Steel.
• 1:32:05
  So clever. So we technically that could
• 1:32:07
  also be the power of the doctor I suppose.
• 1:32:09
  Yeah. Turning molten lava into steel.
• 1:32:13
  She goes, we've got a lot to do. Come on.
• 1:32:18
  Yeah. Okay, Kate Stewart now.
• 1:32:22
  And that was I mean my good friend, Lucy McColl, has done,
• 1:32:25
  she realized case to her and she says inner voice note that I
• 1:32:29
  listened to her earlier that she really welled up at the Fort of
• 1:32:32
  K, offering her life, you know, for the people under her
• 1:32:38
  command, it is a really nice because it's exactly what the
• 1:32:41
  Brigadier would do. Yes there's yeah.
• 1:32:45
  She is her father's daughter. As she doesn't, maybe have the
• 1:32:50
  same Charisma as her Other. But she has the same heart and
• 1:32:55
  that's all that really matters. Yeah, I log was the fact that
• 1:33:00
  then she gets a triple whammy of great moment.
• 1:33:04
  She gets the bit where the doctor goes.
• 1:33:07
  Do you want to come inside? And she's just like, yeah, hey.
• 1:33:10
  And then she gets the Lima, see whatever all that she goes.
• 1:33:13
  How is it bigger on the inside than the out?
• 1:33:15
  And then she gets that wonderful line at the end where she goes,
• 1:33:18
  you know what, I might want to do a bit of recruiting went
• 1:33:21
  over. This is a And I'm like she
• 1:33:24
  always written like this but I used to write her in like big
• 1:33:30
  speeches going. I'm Kate Stewart.
• 1:33:31
  My father was Brigadier lethbridge-stewart.
• 1:33:33
  I'm defending the Earth and not just I don't know anyone who
• 1:33:36
  talks like that. You know whereas here she's been
• 1:33:40
  written with a bitch arm and a bit of humor.
• 1:33:43
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:33:45
  Personality mostly just before she's about to see Ace and
• 1:33:50
  Teagan. She goes look I brought some
• 1:33:52
  Alright, don't start. Okay, no, I think this is Kate's
• 1:33:58
  finest hour. In fact, there's not a Duff
• 1:34:02
  piece of this jigsaw puzzle in this story that everything fits
• 1:34:08
  exactly how it was supposed to do at its absolute Pinnacle as
• 1:34:12
  well. I've got, I've got a question
• 1:34:14
  for you though because I certainly think this is duan's
• 1:34:17
  finest Hour. Definitely Kate Stewart.
• 1:34:20
  Definitely Yaz has as well. I think, yeah.
• 1:34:22
  Yes, when she does that, case of Andrews, only thing of carrying
• 1:34:25
  the doctor back to the Tardis in slow motion.
• 1:34:28
  I just thought Mac best is this Jodie Whittaker's finest hour.
• 1:34:37
  That's a big, a big question. She has been actually one of the
• 1:34:42
  most consistent doctors in its kind of fully formed and yeah.
• 1:34:49
  From from day one, pretty much, yeah, she she knew her doctor
• 1:34:58
  which is important for the act of coming into it.
• 1:35:00
  You need to know who your doctor is, who they going to be a, how
• 1:35:04
  they're going to react when you Even situation is it her finest
• 1:35:10
  hour? I think every generation seeing
• 1:35:13
  this. Or I think the last five
• 1:35:16
  minutes. Yeah yeah.
• 1:35:17
  Fine. Our and I wouldn't say that
• 1:35:19
  about any of the other doctors, you know I don't think there is
• 1:35:23
  maybe Eccleston and he's the only other doctor that goes out
• 1:35:26
  on a smile. You know yes embracing the
• 1:35:29
  future you got tenant who's Railing at the universe and is a
• 1:35:33
  terrible Grump. You got, Matt Smith, what
• 1:35:35
  happens with do is kind of go, he's got so I've got the weight
• 1:35:38
  of the age he he he's a bit I don't want to say wishy-washy.
• 1:35:45
  About his regeneration because it is a lovely, lovely, but is
• 1:35:49
  it is all have different sentimental, it's and Capaldi's
• 1:35:54
  going on about avocado pears in the longest speech known to
• 1:35:56
  mankind. Mark said to me this was his
• 1:36:02
  favorite regeneration of the new series just because it was so
• 1:36:05
  beautiful. And so uplifting oh go on
• 1:36:09
  further. This is now my favorite
• 1:36:11
  regeneration. I said I think it's certainly
• 1:36:14
  one of the best It's up to now, it might have been Davison's, I
• 1:36:21
  think it is because that was an impactful, one for me as a kid.
• 1:36:26
  I feel like it's mr. McCoy and a Harpo, Marx week is
• 1:36:29
  pretty impressive. When hunger Baker tournaments.
• 1:36:32
  As you see, they just they just doomed it for me from the get-go
• 1:36:37
  because even as even as a kid, I knew that Colin wasn't there.
• 1:36:45
  You know, we saw at the size of him.
• 1:36:47
  That's all exactly. Yeah.
• 1:36:51
  Maybe maybe all that carrot juice, an exercise bike in good
• 1:36:54
  paid off. But, you know, I would probably
• 1:36:58
  go as far as to say, I think Jenni was his best performers is
• 1:37:01
  in the vanquishers where she gets to play three versions.
• 1:37:06
  Yes. Yeah, she's still Jodi
• 1:37:10
  performance. Yes, but I think she's got some
• 1:37:13
  of her best. Visual scenes in this story.
• 1:37:19
  She has so many perfect doctor moments for me, which is why,
• 1:37:28
  you know, I'll bet I've been thinking about this.
• 1:37:32
  I don't like picking a favorite doctor, because so many of them
• 1:37:37
  means so much to me for so many different reasons.
• 1:37:41
  But if I wanted to pick the one and this is a conversation, me
• 1:37:46
  and my dad had years ago, and he said, his favorite doctor was
• 1:37:49
  Peter Davison because he was the one that he felt embodied, the
• 1:37:54
  spirit, and the heart, and the character of the doctor, in the
• 1:37:58
  most purest form. For me, that's charity worker.
• 1:38:03
  Is she is probably now my quintessential doctor.
• 1:38:11
  I think I kind of agree with you but I feel like she showed new
• 1:38:17
  sighs the doctor that I'd never seen before.
• 1:38:20
  Yeah. And that's what I love about her
• 1:38:22
  and that definitely it was that and you know the energy is going
• 1:38:26
  to say. It's the woke of a nature like
• 1:38:28
  the embracing everybody celebrating life at the This
• 1:38:34
  story. I love the fact that her final
• 1:38:37
  Act is one of kindness of letting the quarians go.
• 1:38:41
  And I've never seen anything like you out there and I want to
• 1:38:45
  see more of the universe because of things like you and it leans
• 1:38:48
  into that moment in it takes you away when she kisses the frog
• 1:38:52
  and the says, yes, yes. And I've never seen anything and
• 1:38:55
  that's what her doctors all about, sort of embracing all of
• 1:38:59
  it. But that's the very essence of
• 1:39:01
  the doctor that that's why the doctor is out.
• 1:39:03
  They're doing this because they want to see it all and there's
• 1:39:06
  always new things to surprise them and to Spur them on to do
• 1:39:10
  more and to right those wrongs. So she says in a very first
• 1:39:15
  episode, I'll just add, this is something very what's the right
• 1:39:23
  word? There is something very I want
• 1:39:26
  to honestly likeable because that's not a strong enough word,
• 1:39:29
  something effervescent. And, you know, Sparkling about
• 1:39:34
  Jodie Whittaker that if you channel, that kind of Outlook
• 1:39:39
  through that sort of actress. Yes.
• 1:39:42
  Yeah, that's the result. It's just like, it's like a
• 1:39:44
  glass of lemonade on a sunny day.
• 1:39:47
  You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:39:49
  I'll do. Okay.
• 1:39:51
  So, We've establishes many people's finest Hour.
• 1:39:58
  Hmm, is it Chris chibnall is finest Hour.
• 1:40:02
  Do you know what I think it is? And yeah, I feel like he put in
• 1:40:08
  150% into this script. I feel like it probably went
• 1:40:12
  through the wringer and it was Rewritten, a lot until he was
• 1:40:15
  perfectly happy with it. It's got all of the elements of
• 1:40:19
  what he does. It's got an enormous cast.
• 1:40:21
  It's got that 15 plots run in. It's got a ton of exposition and
• 1:40:27
  so what you were worried done? Putting a lot of exposition.
• 1:40:33
  But it's like, it's like Refined Chris chibnall this?
• 1:40:37
  Yes, yeah, it's pure Christian panel but as well as like he
• 1:40:43
  knows he's got the budget to play with.
• 1:40:45
  So his set pieces are more impressive than ever.
• 1:40:48
  He knows it's everybody's last this and that so he's Gotta Give
• 1:40:52
  them moments too shy. He knows he's celebrating the
• 1:40:55
  past. So he's got to honor that and
• 1:40:57
  give those characters moments that, you know, on the style
• 1:41:00
  giuk. He feels it full of Big Ideas.
• 1:41:05
  The the designers could do that best work.
• 1:41:09
  Yes I think this is probably critical best script.
• 1:41:12
  What do you think? Yeah. 100% 100% is don't like
• 1:41:20
  it. Jodi's, just got battered.
• 1:41:24
  I don't like it. Oh, it's horrible, isn't it?
• 1:41:27
  And she really flies into the air.
• 1:41:29
  Yeah. But I was really getting strong
• 1:41:33
  case about design device here. Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:36
  It's the companion. Carrying the doctor.
• 1:41:39
  It's amazing, but with the whole world falling apart around them.
• 1:41:44
  It is like you said, visually this is something else, this is
• 1:41:49
  next level, but yeah, I think, I think Chris chibnall.
• 1:41:56
  Much like Steven Moffat did with season 10.
• 1:42:00
  He went out on the high for me. I think if Christian if Moffat
• 1:42:05
  had gone out on world another time and the doctor falls and I
• 1:42:08
  would have been perfect. She's been stripped.
• 1:42:10
  Yeah, I think it's his best script of his era.
• 1:42:13
  Unfortunately, you went out on twice upon a time and never mind
• 1:42:18
  but this, this is and I've Loved all of Chris's stories, I Have
• 1:42:26
  the same complaints that it seems like a lot of people do I
• 1:42:30
  click with his Ryan because I feel he sees Doctor Who in a
• 1:42:36
  very similar way to how I see Doctor Who.
• 1:42:41
  And there are parallels, I can draw with my own opinions.
• 1:42:44
  A doctor with what? He's done with dr.
• 1:42:46
  Hey, so I've loved everything. There isn't a story that I
• 1:42:53
  wouldn't just Khalifa Lee, stick on and watch, and enjoy and just
• 1:43:00
  get some so much pleasure out of.
• 1:43:04
  But this is this is the the absolute Pinnacle of his Doctor
• 1:43:08
  Who and I think this is like next-level stuff.
• 1:43:11
  Yeah he's like he this had a heat or expectation.
• 1:43:17
  I had I haven't really heard too much Chris.
• 1:43:21
  I've had some but compared to what he normally gets this has
• 1:43:25
  been extremely well received and by their critics as well and in
• 1:43:29
  the newspapers and things like that this has been really well
• 1:43:32
  received and I've heard some people you know podcast things
• 1:43:35
  are not going my God you know where was this in the rest of
• 1:43:38
  his era you know this was amazing.
• 1:43:41
  So I do I do think this is sort of but it was always there and
• 1:43:44
  that's the thing I've always been able to see what Stone
• 1:43:47
  here, throughout his era. Jeff.
• 1:43:52
  Oh, my word. This is that scene, where man?
• 1:43:55
  Dips crying her eyes out. And a lot this could have been
• 1:43:59
  agonizing and it's so sad. Where would you choose and which
• 1:44:06
  flavor ice cream? It's beautiful.
• 1:44:12
  She's barely holding it together, man.
• 1:44:14
  Do yeah. Yeah.
• 1:44:20
  That that shot of her touching the doctors arm.
• 1:44:25
  Yeah, it's really nice. I hate Peter Capaldi's sitting
• 1:44:31
  on top of the TARDIS roof in. Listen, I hate it, because it's
• 1:44:35
  done. In a very disingenuous way for
• 1:44:39
  me and he produced a fourth wall which I don't mind, fourth wall
• 1:44:46
  breaks Deadpool, I love. But in Doctor Who this is
• 1:44:54
  perfect. So I may be a hypocrite.
• 1:44:57
  But I think I think the Rory's dad Brian, sitting, yes, just
• 1:45:05
  sitting dangling. His I love that.
• 1:45:07
  Yeah, but yeah. But you know what?
• 1:45:11
  I'm now. The bangs and whistles are done.
• 1:45:13
  Yeah. And we've had all the kisses to
• 1:45:14
  the pass and we've had all the fun and excitement and drama,
• 1:45:17
  and explosions, and all of that. And actually, this is what this
• 1:45:22
  is about. It's their relationship, what
• 1:45:24
  they mean to each other, kind of what they can't have, which is
• 1:45:28
  very sad, but an acknowledgement of how much they love each other
• 1:45:33
  Mandatory Action or yaz's reaction.
• 1:45:36
  In mice, hearts are so full of love for all of you.
• 1:45:40
  And that's where she realizes that as much as she loves the
• 1:45:45
  doctor. The doctor does love her in the
• 1:45:47
  same way, but she also loves so many other people and she's had
• 1:45:51
  so many other lives and so many other Adventures for years.
• 1:45:58
  There will only ever be one doctor for the doctor there's a
• 1:46:02
  thousand years has Not to diminish, as, as a person,
• 1:46:08
  that's that elevates her into a very elite crowd of people.
• 1:46:14
  I think the complexity of Manda kills performance in those two
• 1:46:18
  things, there's a bit right, where she's crying.
• 1:46:22
  And then she goes, Like she breathes out like that.
• 1:46:27
  When I'm overcome with emotion. That's exactly how I like.
• 1:46:31
  Is I sort of level of realistic emotion?
• 1:46:34
  Yeah, don't really see him. I think it was real emotion
• 1:46:38
  though and I think I think when Jody is getting choked up, I
• 1:46:42
  think that's very real emotion. You don't, we needed officer
• 1:46:48
  that, you know, sort of heartbreak of those two scenes
• 1:46:52
  is Bradley Walsh and John, Bishop coming, along fighting
• 1:46:56
  over a map. And and this, what I loved about
• 1:47:00
  this was it really shows that people did build an impressive
• 1:47:05
  cast of characters in his tongue and these three together.
• 1:47:09
  I was like I want to see where they're going next.
• 1:47:11
  These free. You know what?
• 1:47:13
  I also love there is The Tardis which she has has been piloting
• 1:47:19
  and and in control of them, most of the story takes you as to
• 1:47:25
  where she needs to be. Yeah.
• 1:47:29
  I'm taking the doctor. I'm not sure I can handle this
• 1:47:32
  thing with all the onions together.
• 1:47:34
  You know, what, what chip me off first is I could hear Katie
• 1:47:37
  Manning's laughs. It's yeah, because she's got a
• 1:47:41
  really deep laugh. And yeah, but can I just say the
• 1:47:47
  just the sheer Joy of William Russell being in this say now
• 1:47:52
  are you night? And I know he's not going to be
• 1:47:54
  with us too much longer and the fact that he managed to make it
• 1:47:57
  into This episode all these years later, it's delightful.
• 1:48:04
  Look at me and Bonnie Langford. Oh, Bonnie how wonderful.
• 1:48:12
  And so yeah. So you know who is this while
• 1:48:14
  the doctors going off to regenerate as well that you're
• 1:48:19
  right. You'll hug.
• 1:48:21
  Yes, a hug, you're the fag. Did you say?
• 1:48:30
  But what I love is well is that yes he's really upset and they
• 1:48:33
  say to you, as you know, you're right and that she's been left
• 1:48:37
  in the hands of people that are going to support her and Helper
• 1:48:40
  and that's a wonderful ending for a companion.
• 1:48:44
  And I've heard this idea Moody before about companions coming
• 1:48:47
  together and sharing stories. I never thought, I'd say I'm
• 1:48:50
  screwed. It's it's almost fanfiction ask
• 1:48:56
  and you can call it fan service or from wank or whatever you
• 1:49:01
  want to call that base. Bloody beautiful.
• 1:49:08
  Makes me feel, is very real. How can you not feel something,
• 1:49:12
  watch it. If you're a fan of this show,
• 1:49:14
  you'll seeing characters from the 60s, the 70s, the 80s and
• 1:49:19
  knew who all together. Yeah, it's lovely.
• 1:49:22
  I would have quite liked to have seen a couple of carrots just
• 1:49:24
  from Rusty Davis and moffatt's time as well.
• 1:49:28
  I think it's been said that they would deliberately not included.
• 1:49:36
  Because of what's coming up in the 60th.
• 1:49:38
  I think that's going to be more of a modern era celebration,
• 1:49:42
  that's fair enough. My word, here we go.
• 1:49:46
  And I can't think of a more perfect last line.
• 1:49:48
  That dr. Whoever you're about to be
• 1:49:50
  tagged, you will love the prism in the Regeneration effect as
• 1:49:54
  well. I wanted her to have a rainbow
• 1:49:57
  regeneration effect and they've almost done it and I love it and
• 1:50:02
  that they're that electricity sort of powering out of her on
• 1:50:06
  the cliff top, it would have been a great place to leave the
• 1:50:08
  show. I would have been scared.
• 1:50:10
  Like you couldn't it, you cut it there, and that's it.
• 1:50:14
  You And you know what? I'm going to tell you something
• 1:50:17
  now, Rusty Davis is my favorite producer of Doctor.
• 1:50:20
  Who, and David Tennant is probably my favorite doctor and
• 1:50:25
  this was the one point of the episode where I didn't actually
• 1:50:27
  feel much. I was going well.
• 1:50:29
  I've been here before. Yeah, it's retreading old
• 1:50:34
  ground. Don't get me wrong.
• 1:50:37
  I do me and me and me, and Nick, he did absolutely wet ourselves.
• 1:50:42
  I know these teeth. Yeah, and I and you know what, I
• 1:50:47
  feel like he looks better than ever and it's Rusty Davies,
• 1:50:51
  whatever's coming is going to be pretty spectacular.
• 1:50:54
  Yes and deliberate but again it's an anniversary celebration
• 1:51:00
  and I get I get white. They've bought David Tennant
• 1:51:08
  back and If like you say this was very possibly going to be
• 1:51:16
  Doctor Who's last gasp, then it makes sense that to ensure it
• 1:51:23
  goes on a little bit longer. Yeah, David Shannon makes sense.
• 1:51:29
  He's this generation's Tom Baker if if survival had been given
• 1:51:38
  I'm wasn't the last the last chance of classic.
• 1:51:43
  Oh, and if Tom Baker had turned up at the end of that, if
• 1:51:46
  silvered regenerated into a slightly older, Tom Baker,
• 1:51:50
  people would have gone gampy for it.
• 1:51:53
  They, the go nuts. So, yeah, I get what they're
• 1:51:58
  doing, and I don't see it as cynical and I don't see it.
• 1:52:02
  I've had it is, is is making sure Doctor Who is still there
• 1:52:07
  for Rizal. Yes.
• 1:52:09
  Yeah. And I don't think it's any kind
• 1:52:11
  of criticism on what's been. As you know, what has just been
• 1:52:15
  as well? I'm going to throw a figure at
• 1:52:17
  you right now. Okay.
• 1:52:19
  That should any of the entities. We listening to this last year.
• 1:52:23
  Doctor Who raked in 1.8 billion for the BBC.
• 1:52:30
  Yeah, I can believe it. Okay.
• 1:52:32
  And I unsuccessful arm of the of, this friend.
• 1:52:36
  Blythe would not be printing that.
• 1:52:38
  Amount of money at the end of Jodie, Whittaker, Sera that it's
• 1:52:41
  still bringing in that amount of money is, well, I was
• 1:52:48
  astonishing as well as the speculation around this ago.
• 1:52:51
  I can't think of an episode where I her at saw so many
• 1:52:54
  podcasts about, you know, what's going to happen in parallel?
• 1:52:56
  The doctor, how is she going to go out what's going to happen to
• 1:52:59
  ya that it's still in the Zeitgeist?
• 1:53:02
  It might be in the in these sort of big event episodes. but it's
• 1:53:06
  still, there is has Doctor Who now reach the point I'm at and I
• 1:53:16
  think I think he did quite a while ago, reach the point of
• 1:53:22
  When you think of this country, you think of certain things you
• 1:53:27
  think of big band you think of red telephone boxes, you think
• 1:53:32
  of the double-decker buses in London?
• 1:53:34
  You think of the Beatles you think of Doctor Who Yeah.
• 1:53:42
  You know is it our biggest export I off?
• 1:53:46
  I think for sure yes in terms of in terms of like culture, pop
• 1:53:53
  culture and television for sure. Yes.
• 1:53:57
  I mean they at it, Strictly Come Dancing on this week and the
• 1:54:01
  fellow came to dancing out the Tardis to adoption fee.
• 1:54:05
  Yeah, no, as well. Stacey Dooley.
• 1:54:13
  Hot dogs dressed as JD Whitaker theme tune was played during the
• 1:54:17
  opening ceremony of the Olympics.
• 1:54:19
  Yes yeah and Delia Derbyshire herself who realized that
• 1:54:25
  original version of the theme. Tune is a Pioneer in electronic
• 1:54:30
  music the that everyone laughs their hat.
• 1:54:34
  Oh and she was growing up. Just down the road from me
• 1:54:38
  literally. 15 minute walk from my house Maisie To the blue
• 1:54:43
  plaque unveiling for you know it was and there weren't many
• 1:54:47
  doctor, he people there it was people, it was people into music
• 1:54:52
  who were there for it which is amazing, you know credible.
• 1:54:58
  Well, Jeff you and I now have the task ahead of us of.
• 1:55:03
  I don't know if this format was in last time you did this, you
• 1:55:06
  know? But it is in town where we have
• 1:55:09
  to detail three reasons of peace.
• 1:55:13
  So you start, I'll do one and it back to you then back to me
• 1:55:16
  again. Okay, of as to why we would
• 1:55:18
  recommend the power of the doctor to anybody who might be
• 1:55:22
  listening to us right now. I feel like we've just done that
• 1:55:25
  pretty well for the last two hours, I think.
• 1:55:27
  But kind of, here's the summation of our thoughts.
• 1:55:32
  I'm gonna pick the obvious one first, which is going to
• 1:55:35
  irritate you, because I'll probably picked option one for
• 1:55:38
  you as well is if you want to understand what doc Who is this
• 1:55:44
  episode is Doctor Who in Crystal clarity?
• 1:55:52
  Okay, well then my first is going to be Sacha to Juan's
• 1:55:58
  incredible performers. Keep my second.
• 1:56:03
  One of my favorite Master performance is like a just a
• 1:56:07
  lovely, lovely blow. But like, effortlessly talented.
• 1:56:12
  He's asked to do a lot in this. He's asked him to play Sinister,
• 1:56:16
  to play Camp to play Crazy and he's given wonderful dialogue.
• 1:56:21
  And he's just a every time he was on the screen I wasn't
• 1:56:25
  looking at anyone else. I was on the one hand, he's
• 1:56:28
  beautiful as well back to you. Okay?
• 1:56:34
  If you want to understand what the relationship is between a
• 1:56:38
  doctor and the companion, And that's how it indoors you will
• 1:56:44
  find no better example than Jodie.
• 1:56:48
  Whittaker Amanda up girl, as the doctor in years sitting on the
• 1:56:51
  roof of the TARDIS having that conversation gorgeous as they.
• 1:56:56
  And I thought, you know what is as much about those two
• 1:56:59
  actresses as it is about their characters this?
• 1:57:01
  Yes, yes. Yes.
• 1:57:02
  As much as I sense a lot of honesty in the the that gives it
• 1:57:09
  even more depth than heart. Okay, then I am going to say the
• 1:57:15
  incredible amount of Easter eggs that are in this story are still
• 1:57:21
  don't think I've Unearthed them all.
• 1:57:22
  And someone out there is going to write a bloody book of how,
• 1:57:25
  how many references to the pastor is in the power of the
• 1:57:27
  doctor, but every single one, it's I feel it's Justified
• 1:57:33
  because of the nature of this episode, but like you just gives
• 1:57:39
  you that nostalgic love Like my it reinforces how much you love
• 1:57:44
  this show? Yes.
• 1:57:46
  During all those moments, you know.
• 1:57:48
  Okay. One more then.
• 1:57:50
  All right. I wouldn't be me if I didn't say
• 1:57:56
  it looks absolutely. If you want to see Doctor Who
• 1:58:02
  looking. It's very best.
• 1:58:05
  Then look no further. Apart from maybe the ghost
• 1:58:09
  Monument. Oh yes.
• 1:58:12
  Well, they went South Africa this time.
• 1:58:13
  Well they know and my very last thing is going to be the
• 1:58:20
  Regeneration and I agree with you.
• 1:58:22
  I agree with Mark. I do think it's one of the best
• 1:58:24
  from the new series and from the entire run and I think it's
• 1:58:28
  really refreshing to not go out. It's tragic as in things like
• 1:58:34
  coming to an end but it's really optimistic for the future and
• 1:58:38
  that's Jodie. Whittaker has doctor is like
• 1:58:41
  what's coming. Bring it on, you know?
• 1:58:44
  Alright, I've, I've been pretty depressed this year and part of
• 1:58:50
  it. In fact, probably a big part of
• 1:58:53
  it was knowing that Jodie Whittaker was regenerating and
• 1:58:58
  going and I've put so much of myself.
• 1:59:02
  I've attached so much of myself and my problems to her doctor
• 1:59:07
  and that's helped me through. but that was exactly what I
• 1:59:17
  wanted it to be and it meant I could say goodbye to her and not
• 1:59:24
  Want to hide in a hole. In fact, it's done the opposite.
• 1:59:27
  It's bought me out of that hole again and it's made me
• 1:59:31
  optimistic again and saying goodbye to someone like that.
• 1:59:39
  It feels like a very anti dish. This isn't this isn't how it
• 1:59:45
  should have been. I should have been miserable and
• 1:59:48
  morose and depressed for years to come.
• 1:59:52
  But what is actually done is made me really happy.
• 1:59:54
  That she went out with a smile on her face with acceptance and
• 2:00:00
  with Grace, So it's wonderful how wonderful kind of say one
• 2:00:07
  little extra one. Addendum going to a while sure
• 2:00:11
  you can do what you want. I'm already I've already said it
• 2:00:14
  twice but and yes I would like to go into the Tardis.
• 2:00:19
  It's one of my favorite line readings and all of them.
• 2:00:23
  She's crazy, Robbie bitch that she is hilarious.
• 2:00:29
  Jeff that was a phenomenal. Thank you very much.
• 2:00:32
  I was such a thank you. Thanks.
• 2:00:34
  Thanks for picking me. If you had that many people want
• 2:00:38
  to do this, I'm very flattered that.
• 2:00:42
  There is no plan out while I'm hoping our journey doesn't end
• 2:00:45
  here, and that you're going to come back this thing for future
• 2:00:47
  appearances. Oh, yeah, I think we should go
• 2:00:49
  Ray backers, some point as well. Why do I feel like we should
• 2:00:54
  cover another classic? And I still got some absolute
• 2:00:58
  banging Jody's to go. I've still got to Rosa Really I
• 2:01:03
  haven't done rossano Myra talk about a class, it's so people
• 2:01:08
  would have snap that up. Now I'm done putting job either
• 2:01:12
  and that's my personal favorite of this era.
• 2:01:14
  Really, I'm quite surprised by that because I think they're two
• 2:01:20
  of the more well receive Jodie Whittaker stories on.
• 2:01:24
  They people are snapped up arachnids in the UK and that was
• 2:01:29
  nice. Wasn't it 85?
• 2:01:32
  Yeah. Well, that was inevitable.
• 2:01:35
  Everyone had to make way for Pete for that one.
• 2:01:38
  He said no one's gone for the Battle of France, Carrasco loss
• 2:01:41
  over. So yeah, which I don't hate as a
• 2:01:44
  storm. So if you ever want someone to
• 2:01:46
  Champion that wall, consider my lap.
• 2:01:50
  We'll talk. All right.
• 2:01:52
  We will talk but a massive. Thank you.
• 2:01:56
  Thank you. My heart's, you as well because
• 2:01:58
  as ever, you're brilliant, you will Allow yourself to be
• 2:02:02
  awesomely vulnerable and open on this thing and I just love it.
• 2:02:06
  So thank you very much. You're more than welcome and
• 2:02:09
  thank you for having me. And for all the times that you
• 2:02:12
  have make on there, now it's always a pleasure to come and
• 2:02:16
  talk to you and be a little part of a hand fan.
• 2:02:19
  I'll see why it's ever-expanding and mentioning the hand fan.
• 2:02:24
  I will be placing at the end of this recording seven or eight
• 2:02:29
  audio clips of the Fam with their own reasons as to why, and
• 2:02:34
  everyone pay particular attention to loosen McCall's,
• 2:02:37
  last line. Alright, this is the filthiest
• 2:02:39
  thing you've ever owed on this thing.
• 2:02:40
  All right. Jeff, thank you very much.
• 2:02:45
  I'm just gonna say to you until next time.
• 2:02:48
  Until next time. I think if you were to sit down
• 2:02:51
  and set yourself the challenge of trying to distill 60 years of
• 2:02:55
  Doctor, Who into a 90-minute drama, you would be very hard
• 2:03:00
  push not to write power of the doctor.
• 2:03:02
  I mean, it had absolutely everything from the last six
• 2:03:06
  years and I don't just mean the companions, the past doctors and
• 2:03:10
  everything like that, it had the drama.
• 2:03:13
  Had the silliness. It had tradition.
• 2:03:17
  It had absolutely everything you could possibly want.
• 2:03:20
  And then on top of that, it had the dark turning to the Cybermen
• 2:03:24
  with the unspoken line of dialogue.
• 2:03:27
  Well, he's not with me that loony dancing to Ra Ra Rasputin,
• 2:03:31
  I mean, really, I cannot think of any other show that could do
• 2:03:36
  all of that in 90 minutes and still be completely and utterly
• 2:03:40
  faithful to the concept and the Heart of the series.
• 2:03:47
  Hello, gents Lucy here. Giving you my update on how I
• 2:03:51
  felt about the power of the doctor and my main feelings.
• 2:03:55
  Last night was absolute Joy. I really, really enjoyed
• 2:03:59
  watching it. I had one of those evenings.
• 2:04:03
  We're pretty cool faculties, just get suspended and I'm just
• 2:04:06
  going to go with it and watch it and and hopefully love it.
• 2:04:10
  And I did, I loved seeing the old familiar faces back again,
• 2:04:15
  and the devices. Is that we use to bring them
• 2:04:17
  back? Were really well done.
• 2:04:19
  I thought I haven't seen a lot of Sasha Dylan's Master before,
• 2:04:24
  but I enjoyed his performance. I know that Kate is not a
• 2:04:29
  universally popular figure with the hand fan.
• 2:04:33
  But this time she was Brave and Brilliant and I still haven't
• 2:04:38
  quite recovered from how she decided to give herself up and
• 2:04:41
  nearly got turned into a cyber person.
• 2:04:44
  I haven't been this emotionally. I used with a.
• 2:04:49
  Companion character for quite some time.
• 2:04:51
  So it really did, take me by surprise a bit About the ending.
• 2:04:58
  I can understand why people wanted to have a more definite
• 2:05:03
  ending to The Arc of the relationship between Yaz and the
• 2:05:07
  doctor, but I did think it was quite well managed and I loved
• 2:05:11
  the companions getting together. Again, at the end, especially
• 2:05:14
  seeing William. Russell was really lovely one.
• 2:05:17
  Final more frivolous point. I'd thought about it in relation
• 2:05:21
  to the new doctor. But As the master regenerated
• 2:05:26
  into the doctors clothing. I was wondering if he'd spent
• 2:05:29
  part of the evening at least wearing women's underwear.
• 2:05:32
  Thank you. And goodnight.
• 2:05:42
  Hello, it's Luke from Lost on Gallifrey and I thought that
• 2:05:46
  Jodie Whittaker was terrible. Chibnall was awful and the whole
• 2:05:52
  era has been just an awful mess. That is what I thought at 7:30
• 2:05:59
  on Sunday night. But now I just don't know what
• 2:06:02
  to think. Chibnall good, Jodi brilliance.
• 2:06:07
  Era redeemed. I don't know if I tell you, I
• 2:06:11
  do, you know, I think Chris chibnall did a fucking fantastic
• 2:06:16
  job at basically celebrating. 100 Years of Doctor Who I
• 2:06:21
  thought having all the cameos, all Nostalgia, how could you not
• 2:06:25
  enjoy it? If you're a fan of the show and
• 2:06:27
  I think for a one-off special like this, a big 100 years
• 2:06:32
  celebrate. Sorry the classic the new that
• 2:06:35
  that's absolutely perfect and the amount of things Things that
• 2:06:37
  you might have knocked off or stolen that the master dancing
• 2:06:41
  to a song, the journeys Empire, and the Tardis that all felt
• 2:06:46
  like really charm and references to me, I thought it gives a toss
• 2:06:51
  about the story. We never give a toss about the
• 2:06:52
  story in these sort of episodes. It was so good and I just lost
• 2:06:58
  my head as soon as Paul McGann appeared and to be fair, I got a
• 2:07:01
  thought years, had a really nice exit.
• 2:07:04
  I thought you has got rid of some agency.
• 2:07:07
  I'm probably the best I've ever seen, she didn't want to be with
• 2:07:11
  any other doctor and I thought I would put came across perfectly
• 2:07:15
  within the story when the doctor got changed to the master and
• 2:07:19
  got a really nice send-off as well and Jody got a really
• 2:07:21
  understated regeneration which was really nice and the last
• 2:07:25
  couple of seconds before I knew it was going to happen.
• 2:07:28
  I could have predicted well they predict what's going to happen
• 2:07:31
  but didn't you just lose your head anyway, what a fantastic
• 2:07:36
  episode, it was Chibnall good amazing.
• 2:07:39
  End to Jody Sera possibly his finest and her finest hour.
• 2:07:45
  Well, what can I say about the power of the dr.
• 2:07:49
  Chris Chappell Chef's curse. Absolutely brilliant.
• 2:07:53
  Just I think we've all been setting for the last couple of
• 2:07:56
  nights thinking. Try to process everything that
• 2:07:59
  we saw. Great send-off for Jordi,
• 2:08:02
  beautiful regeneration. At the end, mom did goes best
• 2:08:04
  performances. He has the master us, Rasputin,
• 2:08:08
  just fantastic seeing past doctors, we all screed, but the
• 2:08:13
  best moment for me, I was a child again, seeing my doctor
• 2:08:17
  with is half that woman, just brilliant great episode.
• 2:08:25
  How can you have an opinion on the power of the doctor, and
• 2:08:30
  episode, so fun packed, so manic, so insane.
• 2:08:34
  And so utterly, thrilling and full of heart and love and joy
• 2:08:38
  that opinions just melt in its wake.
• 2:08:41
  It was probably the most thrilling, 90 minutes of
• 2:08:46
  television I have ever seen and very rapidly has become my
• 2:08:51
  favorite Doctor Who episode. It is the first time in Years
• 2:08:55
  that I have wanted to immediately re watch an episode
• 2:09:00
  after watching it for the first time, even The Day of the
• 2:09:03
  Doctor, the previous high point of the series, the previous
• 2:09:07
  delight and joy of doctors coming together, that doesn't
• 2:09:10
  have an ounce on what the power of the doctor has.
• 2:09:14
  It is absolutely stunning and funny and beautiful.
• 2:09:19
  So many Beautiful Moments, my God, the images of this.
• 2:09:23
  Just the bit where Yaz is carrying the doctor, the
• 2:09:27
  Regeneration, on the clifftop, The Cliff Edge, where she meets.
• 2:09:31
  The other doctors, this is the chip molera Rich, the chip
• 2:09:36
  molera writ large. It is everything, everything.
• 2:09:40
  Every manic idea that doctor, who could possibly have all
• 2:09:44
  crammed into 90, crazy minutes. I wouldn't want it.
• 2:09:47
  I wouldn't want it to be like this every week, but for a
• 2:09:50
  special for that one time, this is what you'd want.
• 2:09:55
  From a Doctor Who movie it covers time and space and people
• 2:10:00
  and the past and the future of the show, all in one, it was
• 2:10:04
  magnificent and I just wish that we could have a bit more time.
• 2:10:10
  And also it's the first time that the doctor has been killed
• 2:10:13
  by a giant space jellyfish. So that's a new thing.
• 2:10:18
  But what's not new is the amount of heart that is poured into all
• 2:10:22
  of these episodes. It is absolutely.
• 2:10:24
  Coming from the right place, which is this place of joy and
• 2:10:29
  wonder, and excitement and you see it in the young people, the
• 2:10:34
  show attracts the people you see, at the conventions, dress
• 2:10:37
  to Jodie, Whittaker, it is bringing these people on board
• 2:10:41
  and if you can't always measure it in the number of people who
• 2:10:46
  think it's brilliant, but sometimes you can measure it in
• 2:10:49
  the number of people who absolutely love it.
• 2:10:52
  And I am a sucker. Because I am one of those people
• 2:10:56
  who absolutely loves it. Hello Joanne, Jeff.
• 2:11:04
  It is a friend in here. I'm just having to talk quietly.
• 2:11:08
  There's a lady here, has really upped the power of the daughter
• 2:11:11
  for me. Continue dumb.
• 2:11:13
  The upward Trend in quality of this era, in my opinion, from
• 2:11:17
  flux and Eve of the Daleks and what it did was it embraced the
• 2:11:23
  strength of this hero while also doing new things.
• 2:11:26
  And that's really funny because there weren't as many new
• 2:11:30
  characters. As one might expect it was all
• 2:11:31
  about the old Garrett. The emotionality of the scenes
• 2:11:36
  between Yaz and the doctor. I thought were beautifully well
• 2:11:39
  handled and I was in floods with them.
• 2:11:44
  The ice cream deciding on top of the toughest at the end.
• 2:11:48
  And what I love about the title is the power of the doctor is a
• 2:11:52
  bunch of people getting together to talk about how wonderful the
• 2:11:57
  doctor is and how much the doctor has improved Our lives,
• 2:12:02
  our lives their lives. And yeah, I thought that was an
• 2:12:07
  absolutely beautiful sentiment to end on and all that after 90
• 2:12:12
  minutes, that was fun. Funny dramatic exciting end up
• 2:12:16
  breaking. So yeah, I really enjoyed that.
• 2:12:21
  Tomorrow night, I'll be recording Jodi into Terror.
• 2:12:22
  Tune in Hi Joe, absolutely loved the power of the doctor,
• 2:12:30
  basically sat there for 90 minutes with a big grin on my
• 2:12:33
  face and a few tears to it, was lovely to see Sophie aldred, and
• 2:12:37
  Janet Fielding back, and they were so good.
• 2:12:40
  And so in character just absolutely love them.
• 2:12:44
  I think my favourite bit or certainly, the fit, that got me
• 2:12:48
  with a tears. Going was the group chat of the
• 2:12:50
  end with Bonnie and Katie and William Russell.
• 2:12:53
  It was just so moving and absolutely wonderful.
• 2:12:56
  And I'd love to see the episode again, but I'd probably be
• 2:13:00
  sitting there going all. I don't show not sure if that
• 2:13:02
  works and you know, how you do want to spoil it.
• 2:13:05
  It was, it was so wonderful to watch all 90 minutes of it and
• 2:13:09
  great fun. Anyway, hope you're, well, I'll
• 2:13:12
  speak to you soon. Hopefully, we'll try and get a
• 2:13:14
  date to sort out the commentary for Vincent of the doctor love
• 2:13:18
  to do that with you soon. Take care.
• 2:13:20
  Bye. Hello Joe.
• 2:13:27
  Hello Jeff. Hello.
• 2:13:30
  It's I I'm just I'm just been watching the power of the doctor
• 2:13:35
  for the second time and I'm still processing all of this
• 2:13:40
  because that's one of the most Bonkers Adventures has ever
• 2:13:45
  been. I mean, how do you take all of
• 2:13:47
  that in what I came away thinking was the day of the
• 2:13:53
  doctor is very much a celebration of Doctor Who since
• 2:13:57
  it came back from since Them 5, but the power of the doctor is
• 2:14:05
  very much a celebration of Doctor Who from 1963 to 1989.
• 2:14:12
  It's a celebration of the Doctor Who that we grew up with.
• 2:14:18
  I'm very much for me that Doctor Who that I grew up with.
• 2:14:22
  I this evening I was, I had a tear again at watching Tegan.
• 2:14:32
  See her doctor again. And yeah, it's just brilliant.
• 2:14:37
  I did something. I never thought I would ever see
• 2:14:43
  the fifth doctor and Tegan were Bye.
• 2:14:47
  Pretty much. My Tardis crew.
• 2:14:49
  When I was was young, my second, oldest group, probably, and the
• 2:14:54
  power that those acts as still have to move you and that
• 2:15:02
  Association that you build in your childhood with these
• 2:15:06
  characters. Then 38 years later as Tegan
• 2:15:11
  says, she sees her doctor again and then reunited for for a
• 2:15:18
  couple of minutes it's just superb and Davis is wearing the
• 2:15:22
  Hat. Of course, he's wearing the hat
• 2:15:25
  but that that's absolutely wonderful.
• 2:15:27
  I love that hat. You know and how how do you sum
• 2:15:32
  this story up with Incredible difficulty?
• 2:15:37
  I think It's yeah, I can't I'm not sure I can. you know,
• 2:15:46
  there's just something about those characters, coming back
• 2:15:49
  with, sing Tegan and Ace and then Joe and Mel, no was back
• 2:15:57
  and And then William Russell as Ian after 57 years, I mean, wow.
• 2:16:07
  And their doctors said, I always thought that the best way to
• 2:16:12
  celebrate Doctor Who was not necessarily to see the old
• 2:16:16
  doctors, but to see how the companions have lived and coped,
• 2:16:20
  and what they've done, after they leave the doctor.
• 2:16:25
  And Chris chibnall did that with our Plum.
• 2:16:28
  He Took those characters that we'd loved expanded their lives
• 2:16:33
  and did them perfect Justice. And meanwhile we've got the news
• 2:16:38
  companion, Dan leaving in a beautiful scene.
• 2:16:41
  We've got so much going on. We've got such to one being
• 2:16:45
  gorgeous and evil more evil and dangerous and I think we've seen
• 2:16:50
  the master in a long time. We've got the Daleks and
• 2:16:54
  Cybermen and the master teaming up and wow just just Superb and
• 2:17:00
  then cap it. All right.
• 2:17:03
  At the end we have the most magnificent and beautiful
• 2:17:08
  uplifting regeneration and I know we don't get many,
• 2:17:14
  uplifting Gendry Generations. I think this Christopher
• 2:17:17
  Eccleston and that's it. All the others are sad, but this
• 2:17:22
  one was just full of joy. Like Jody's doctor was full of
• 2:17:25
  joy and too. Subscribe to see her on the top
• 2:17:31
  of durdle door where I used to have my childhood holidays.
• 2:17:36
  We stayed there a lot in the 80s in the Caravan park there.
• 2:17:39
  That's where I watched the first episode of trial of a Time.
• 2:17:42
  Lord in 1986. There's just so many
• 2:17:46
  associations with that that place for me and to see her
• 2:17:51
  regenerate on the top of durdle door in the most beautiful and
• 2:17:56
  breathtaking piece of cinematography.
• 2:17:58
  If I do this, I mean the whole story looked epic and Brilliant
• 2:18:03
  and like the whole of the Jodi era has oh it is such a step up.
• 2:18:08
  Isn't it to where we've been before?
• 2:18:12
  But that was just brilliant. Absolutely brilliant and you
• 2:18:18
  know what Jodi was to her first words.
• 2:18:24
  Oh brilliant. I have summed up.
• 2:18:26
  Her doctor for me I have loved In a way that I didn't expect
• 2:18:31
  to, I didn't expect to be wowed like this and fall in love with
• 2:18:34
  another doctor that. Yeah, she just works for me, so
• 2:18:41
  I that's it. You know, I don't think I can
• 2:18:46
  sum this story up yet. I'm going to need another couple
• 2:18:49
  of watches, so to get it all in my head last night, I was trying
• 2:18:53
  to go to sleep and just circling round and round my head.
• 2:18:57
  You got Just little things come back because it's funny and
• 2:19:02
  Brilliant. And that's the most amazing
• 2:19:05
  thing is that that's suddenly Chris chibnall has gone for it.
• 2:19:12
  You know, and the story might not make sense and bits of it
• 2:19:16
  might not make sense for who cares when you're along for the
• 2:19:19
  ride and your swept along with this.
• 2:19:23
  Sometimes that's just what you need.
• 2:19:26
  And that's the power of the doctor, isn't it?
• 2:19:30
  It's a show that gets in your head quite often.
• 2:19:34
  When you're young, not always for everyone.
• 2:19:38
  But age for this, show seized my imagination and took me on
• 2:19:41
  adventures, and I think Chris chibnall is the same and, and
• 2:19:47
  Steven, Moffat, and Russell, T Davies, and everyone else.
• 2:19:50
  There's just something about this show that is Magic.
• 2:19:54
  And last night's Doctor, Who was magic.
• 2:19:58
  So, thank you sash. Thank you man.
• 2:20:02
  Dip, thank you Chris. But most of all.
• 2:20:06
  Thank you Jody. You were brilliant.
• 2:20:13
  All right, so we'll give this a go, then it's all a bit strange,
• 2:20:16
  talking to myself, but let's give it a go see how we get on.
• 2:20:19
  Talk about power of the doctor, which was just Sublime.
• 2:20:24
  It was excellent. It was one of the best episodes
• 2:20:28
  of Doctor Who I've ever seen and so much Donovan that from the
• 2:20:33
  very start from that bullet tree and seen with the Cyber Masters,
• 2:20:39
  doing the heist in the doctor and everyone stopped in it.
• 2:20:41
  That was just Action packed in amazing and such a devons
• 2:20:48
  performance as the master or throughout.
• 2:20:53
  You know, he's still got that unhinged Edge to him, but turned
• 2:20:56
  down a little bit. I felt brilliant.
• 2:21:00
  Absolutely brilliant. And put, thus the whole story
• 2:21:04
  was just so good and hats off to Triple.
• 2:21:08
  Its that was his 60th anniversary special.
• 2:21:11
  That was him gone. Here you go.
• 2:21:13
  Here's my anniversary. As the 60th mic drop, go on
• 2:21:16
  Rusty off. You go with that beat that one
• 2:21:20
  and he just nailed every single part of it and getting your
• 2:21:22
  doctor's back was just such a brilliant move, the way he's
• 2:21:26
  done it as well, and to account. For them B.
• 2:21:29
  Knox was no explanation of that was no explanation of why the
• 2:21:33
  doctors were older but we didn't need one.
• 2:21:35
  They were just there in the sort of afterlife of regenerations,
• 2:21:40
  hanging around. Poor, my God, bless them.
• 2:21:44
  Cried when Paul McGann came out. I don't know why, but that was
• 2:21:47
  just so good. Everyone else is wearing robes,
• 2:21:51
  but Paul McGann isn't and there's just so many nice little
• 2:21:55
  bits for the fans in that. It was, it was really was a love
• 2:21:58
  letter. The human fandom, wasn't it all?
• 2:22:02
  Those just little little Easter eggs, like the mustache, Dalek
• 2:22:07
  plan in him dressing for the occasion.
• 2:22:11
  Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
• 2:22:12
  I can't. I'm running out with nice things
• 2:22:16
  to say about this the storm. That's how much I loved it.
• 2:22:19
  And put the heart of the story is seeing goodbye.
• 2:22:26
  You know, it starts with dancing and goodbye.
• 2:22:29
  And it's such a Brusque quick way from to go, you know, you
• 2:22:34
  come from Legend of the sea Devils where he's having the
• 2:22:36
  time of his life dressing as a pirate.
• 2:22:39
  It's the last thing you see coming that he's just going to
• 2:22:41
  stand angle. No, actually I'm done now and
• 2:22:43
  say goodbye but that's the type of goodbye.
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  We're used to of, you know, just a couple of minutes and your
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  mind's made up and off you go. But the rest of the story The
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  rest of the episode deals with goodbyes lead and up, obviously,
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  to the doctor in years saying goodbye.
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  The thing I love the most was the interactions that the
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  doctors got with their past companions.
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  Again, Sylvester and tool for you together.
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  Quality at me, I just saw wonderful scene though, still
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  getting whacked again. And I've seen them in the
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  context of it is in the doctor haven't left on the best of
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  terms. So the opportunity for them to
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  come together and have that proper goodbye.
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  Just unbelievable. But the biggest moment was was
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  obviously the fifth doctor and Tegan and Janet fielding, and
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  Peter Davison. Stood there, go on, I've missed
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  you, I've missed you too, again, hoping you're not be moved by
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  that More Tears, on this side. Just Our Chip.
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  It'll hold you. Hold you down that?
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  Brilliant absolutely brilliant. And then obviously it leads up
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  to yours is good by which I thought was just absolutely
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  superb and it just felt so real and so natural.
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  By that point, you know, the doctors injured.
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  He has is carried out at the Tardis.
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  Everyone else has been dropped off in the have this heart to
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  heart and the will, the won't the other going to kiss other
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  going to make up The Feelings? Not, we try that know.
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  Don't. And then it's time for you guys
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  to go because she knows her doctors changing.
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  It's not going to be her doctors, not going to be the
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  woman that she's fallen in love with and so she can't hang
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  around and so she leaves and that's just it just really
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  touched me. It really moved me.
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  I thought it was absolutely fantastic.
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  And I know there's people out there quibbling about it.
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  I know there's an easier than it because you know, seeing that
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  the should of Kissed, But Nah, it didn't need it, it didn't
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  need it. You know, wouldn't need the
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  Tenth Doctor and Rose kissing and bad wolf.
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  Be I'm anything. I cut.
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  It works better without it and I think in this instance, it
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  worked better as well without them actually getting there.
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  I guess a nit Pickers, in this whatever heard, obviously
• 2:25:08
  Dunn's, quick departure. Nah, it works.
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  It works in the context of the story.
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  It's all about goodbyes, the Masters plan.
• 2:25:20
  The Masters plan was silly. What was the point of the master
• 2:25:24
  regenerating into the doctor or the doctor with genuine in the
• 2:25:27
  Mustang, him getting her body? I mean, I can see how that makes
• 2:25:31
  sense, because obviously the master the man whose notorious
• 2:25:34
  for burning through all, these were generations and wanting to
• 2:25:37
  extend his life forever. I would definitely not want to
• 2:25:40
  inhabit the body of the Homeless child, and can we generate
• 2:25:43
  forever and ever and ever Alex? Ultimately, when it comes down
• 2:25:51
  to it, Julie's last scene is just stunning.
• 2:25:57
  Absolutely stunning with this is the doctor visits hard.
• 2:26:00
  So much love and positivity and optimism and hope through out of
• 2:26:05
  our entire one. And that plays out in that last
• 2:26:09
  scene, should drop see as off One Last Sunset, the blossom is
• 2:26:13
  Blossom and that final word tag, you're it.
• 2:26:17
  Before she regenerates, in was Sunshine sunrise.
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  In Rainbow flushes, rainbow regeneration.
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  Energy is just I can't think of a more perfect way for her
• 2:26:33
  doctor to go out. I think, you know, I've only
• 2:26:38
  watched at the one so far and I watched it with my eldest son
• 2:26:41
  who talked all the way through. So there's Lords that I've
• 2:26:43
  missed this probably Lords more, Easter eggs, that I've missed.
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  But, you know, I'm looking forward to going back and watch
• 2:26:51
  it again but it's all blades up there with the Day of the Doctor
• 2:26:54
  for me is it's just one of those perfect episodes of Doctor Who
• 2:26:59
  you know, this is one we're going to come back and watch it
• 2:27:01
  again and again and again this is one where we're going to be
• 2:27:03
  thinking. You know, we want a warm hug, we
• 2:27:07
  want warm hug from Doctor Who, and we want to remind ourselves
• 2:27:11
  of what it means to be a fan of Doctor Who.
• 2:27:13
  And we want to see Ian Chesterton sitting around with
• 2:27:16
  all the other Earthbound companions are still, with us
• 2:27:20
  in, this is the one that we're going to come back to, isn't it?
• 2:27:24
  It's just, it's just brilliant. I mean well done Cheryl who
• 2:27:33
  thought you could write like this?
• 2:27:35
  He's once again how can we go from the Wi-Fi family and
• 2:27:42
  resolution to havin a cyber Masters and the Dalek look at
• 2:27:48
  each other like that. When the master is Cossack
• 2:27:52
  dance, entire Rasputin. You just wouldn't believe it but
• 2:27:56
  hats off to the man. He's absolutely nailed it.
• 2:27:59
  You know he nailed flux that was a fantastic season to go out on
• 2:28:03
  either the Daleks You know, legend of the sea devils not as
• 2:28:08
  bad as everyone says but you know, to go out on this high is
• 2:28:11
  just stunning stunning. And I really think most rtds.
• 2:28:16
  He's got his work cut out now the to keep up with that.
• 2:28:20
  So Basically go as my thought.