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"Marx Brothers" (Wednesday, February 25, 2026, Hour 2) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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Speaker 3: one hundred and nineteen minutes of speechification last night, one
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Speaker 3: hundred and seven of it by the President of the
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Speaker 3: Abigail Spanberger, that will bar anyone under the age of
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Speaker 3: twenty one from possessing a firearm unless they are in
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Speaker 3: the company of an adult, which in Virginia means you're eighteen.
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Speaker 3: These ladies and gentlemen are the authoritarian Democrats. The problem
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Speaker 3: hand handed buffoonery that they write the laws with. So
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Speaker 3: it follow the change. Yes, if you are eighteen years
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Speaker 3: old and your friend is eighteen years old, they can
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Speaker 3: go to the gun store with you and buy a gun,
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Speaker 3: even if you're not twenty one yet, because they're eighteen.
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Speaker 3: I would love to sit here and tell you. I
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Speaker 3: could explain it all to you. Outside of none of
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Speaker 3: us can be no one of us can be as
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Speaker 3: dumb as all of us. Our first things this morning,
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Speaker 3: as we tell you what went on last night. Obviously
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Speaker 3: the State of the Union address, President Trump heralding what
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Speaker 3: he called one of the greatest comebacks in modern history,
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Speaker 3: a turnaround for the ages. He said, I can say
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Speaker 3: with dignity and pride that we have achieved a transformation
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Speaker 3: like no one has ever seen before, and we'll never
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Speaker 3: go back to where we were just a very short
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Speaker 3: time ago. We're not going back. Democrats, approsed to President
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Speaker 3: Trump's agenda, despite their elected representation in the House and Senate,
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Speaker 3: decided to skip the State of the Union address for
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Speaker 3: a counter programming event called the State of the Swamp,
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Speaker 3: which was held at the National Press Club, featuring Mayor
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Speaker 3: Jacob Frye of Minneapolis and Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago.
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Speaker 3: President Trump is ready to head, as a note for
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Speaker 3: our friends in Beaumont, Texas, to Corpus Christie this week.
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Speaker 3: I guess you know, if you're San Antonio or Texas, Dallas,
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Speaker 3: you can go to official sources. He'll be in Corpus
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Speaker 3: Christie to rally just a head of the state's Republican primary.
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Speaker 3: Federal court in Washington rejected a request from immigrants' rights
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Speaker 3: groups to temporarily block the IRS from sharing taxpayer data
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Speaker 3: that would make it easier by their argument to identify
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Speaker 3: and deport people who are in the US illegally. The
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Speaker 3: Central Intelligence Agency, where Virginia Governor Abigail Spanberger used to work,
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Speaker 3: offered help to potential informants in Iran Tuesday, putting a
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Speaker 3: post on X What tags would you put on this post?
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Speaker 3: Did it pass the Mullahs? How you do that? But
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Speaker 3: it was written in Farsi, Korean, Russian, and Mandarin. It's
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Speaker 3: all part of their recruitment drive for sources within these
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Speaker 3: countries and human intelligence there. On the anniversary of the
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Speaker 3: four years that it's been since the Russian government invaded
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Speaker 3: the Ukrainian government, President Vladimir Zelenski took to Ukrainian television
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Speaker 3: and said that President Vladimir Putin of Russia has quote
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Speaker 3: already started World War three. And those are some of
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Speaker 16: Remember that in eighteen fifty one, New York Herold Tribune,
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Speaker 16: under the sponsorship and publishing of Horace Greeley, employed as
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Speaker 16: its London correspondent an obscured journalist by the name of
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Speaker 16: Carl Marx. We are told that foreign correspondent Marx Stone,
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Speaker 16: broke and with a family ill and undernourished, constantly appealed
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Speaker 3: for myself, saying I shouldn't have been surprised to see
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Speaker 3: this State of the Swamp rally with all the other
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Speaker 3: members of Congress that didn't go to the State of
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Speaker 3: the Union address along with Mayors Frye and Johnson of
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Speaker 3: Minnesota and Minneapolis and Chicago, was being hosted at the
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Speaker 3: National Press Club as in the same organisation that I
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Speaker 3: believe did that exist when Marx and Engels were reporters
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Speaker 3: for the Herald Tribune. I don't know it could it
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Speaker 3: could be. It sounds like a good story anyway, So
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Speaker 3: there you go. So I shouldn't be surprised that the
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Speaker 3: National Press Club is taking sides like this, But sometimes
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Speaker 3: I am our friends at jcsgold dot com. I wonder
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Speaker 3: if there's a State of the Union bump in the
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Speaker 3: price of gold. James lunk is on the phone with us. James,
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Speaker 3: how are you this morning, sir? Is there a State
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Speaker 3: of the Union bump to the price of gold?
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Speaker 17: You know, I haven't looked at that, you know, historically,
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Speaker 17: to see if that is the case with the past,
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Speaker 17: say of the Union addresses or not. There currently is
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Speaker 17: a bump at the moment though, gold is up about
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Speaker 17: a third of a percent to five and sixty dollars,
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Speaker 17: up about sixteen dollars so far this morning. Silver is
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Speaker 17: also up about three percent to eighty nine eighty five,
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Speaker 17: so vers definitely seen a bump so far.
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Speaker 3: Good deal. So something is happening there, whether it's you know,
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Speaker 3: our attempts to recruit spies in Iran or the president's
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Speaker 3: State of the Union address. It's good to see there,
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Speaker 3: you know, and our people, and I know we talked
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Speaker 3: about this a little bit last week that you know,
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Speaker 3: as the price got higher and higher and higher, there
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Speaker 3: were people like, oh, now it may be too expensive
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Speaker 3: for me. Are people coming back to the table, Because
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Speaker 3: regardless of the price gold and silver are a great
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Speaker 3: buttress to always have value in your portfolio, aren't they, James.
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Speaker 17: That's right, and that's why we always recommend buying. You know,
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Speaker 17: you're allotted amount every every week, every two weeks, once
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Speaker 17: a month, once a quarter. You know, whatever works best
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Speaker 17: for you and your budget and your portfolio to just
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Speaker 17: invest over time. Sometimes you pay a little bit higher price,
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Speaker 17: you know, when when price is running, and then when
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Speaker 17: it pulls back, you pay a little bit lower price.
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Speaker 17: And a lot of people really were taking advantage, Like
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Speaker 17: we said about a week or two ago, well, a
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Speaker 17: lot of people really like silver in the seventy dollars range,
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Speaker 17: you know, people felt like that was a comfortable level
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Speaker 17: for silver. So so a lot of people were taking
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Speaker 17: advantage of that price drop, buying the dip, and of
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Speaker 17: course it's paying off now, bumping up to about ninety
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Speaker 17: dollars as we speak here. So it's really great to see,
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Speaker 17: you know, people just continuing to support silver and making
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Speaker 17: that a part of their portfolio.
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Speaker 3: Well, I tell you, you know, ever since we branched
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Speaker 3: out on this misadventure into radio station ownership, and you know,
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Speaker 3: obviously our friends at Tonk Media Network and The Daily
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Speaker 3: signal have come along and said, hey, you want to
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Speaker 3: join us, and that's always been good as well. But
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Speaker 3: we have gold, you know, stashed for ourselves, and it
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Speaker 3: does take a lot of stress off knowing that if
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Speaker 3: the exceriment really does hit the air handler and the
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Speaker 3: daily signal decides, I'm asking too much for my installments
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Speaker 3: like the New York Herald Dead to Karl Marx, you
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Speaker 3: know that that there is a good amount of cash
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Speaker 3: there that we could get if we needed it too,
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Speaker 3: and and we don't have to do anything with it
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Speaker 3: for it to go up in value. It's just it
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Speaker 3: keeps going up in value without us having to do
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Speaker 3: compounding interest or anything like that. So it is it
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Speaker 3: does take some stress off as well, James. So it's
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Speaker 3: self care. I think you should You should apply for
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Speaker 3: some sort of tax break as a as a self
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Speaker 3: care facility like a spa almost at jcsgold dot com.
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Speaker 17: No, no, no, I think that's a great idea.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, you have a wonderful morning, family business. Don't call
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Speaker 3: you have a great morning. Thanks, I tell you too,
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Speaker 16: If only this capitalistic New York newspaper had treated him
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Speaker 16: more kindly, if only Marx had remained a foreign correspondent,
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Speaker 16: history might have been different. I hope all publishers will
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Speaker 16: bear this lesson in.
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Speaker 3: Mind, especially as the National Press Club hosts the anti
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Speaker 3: Trump post State of the Union party. And it's not manufactured, iyre.
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Speaker 3: I don't expect a lot better from any club that
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Speaker 3: would have me as a member, it says Grouchow. Marx,
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Speaker 3: the other Marx brother, used to say. I would never
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Speaker 3: want to be a member of any club that would
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Speaker 3: have me as a member. So the National Press Club
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Speaker 3: not getting any dues from me, but seeing them host
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Speaker 3: this anti Trump rally, I just I it disappoints me
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Speaker 3: because I guess they've decided the heck with it. Popularity
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Speaker 3: is more important than your ability, or actually, I should say,
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Speaker 3: more accurately, their perception of what is popular is more important.
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Speaker 3: And this is what drives the press crazy about programs
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Speaker 3: like this one and Todd Starns and all of us
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Speaker 3: conservative talk show hosts ever since rush Limbaugh first plugged
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Speaker 3: in his golden EIB microphone. How is it this fringe
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Speaker 3: group of people reading arcane books by Russell Kirk and
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Speaker 3: Edmund Burke and talking about John Locke? How is it
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Speaker 3: that we seem to be able to motivate fifty percent
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Speaker 3: of the population in our tiny little numbers, fifty percent
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Speaker 3: of the voting population, It should say, how is it?
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Speaker 3: What magic spell are we casting? And it's simple. I
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Speaker 3: wish they would understand it, because they're not dumb people.
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Speaker 3: They've just what did Reagan once say? They just know
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Speaker 3: so much that isn't true. They're chasing what they see
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Speaker 3: and what they think is popular. They want to be
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Speaker 3: seen as trying to help people, when what they're doing
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Speaker 3: is they're lying to people. And I don't know any
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Speaker 3: scenario in which lying to someone can be considered a benefit. Oh,
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Speaker 3: I really want to thank you for lying to me
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Speaker 3: for all those years, Marge. Really, I had no idea
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Speaker 3: that I never wore pants to the office, and now
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Speaker 3: thank you for telling me about that eventually.
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Speaker 6: Did you know that healthy arteries make a gas?
22:06
Speaker 5: Yes?
22:07
Speaker 6: Actually three known gas is I'm doctor Mitch, and nitric
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Speaker 6: oxide is a gas that's readily made all day long
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Speaker 6: to keep our arteries open by relaxing the blood vessel walls.
22:22
Speaker 6: By doing this, our circulation is increased, bringing blood, oxygen
22:27
Speaker 6: and nutrients to every part of your body. Both age
22:31
Speaker 6: and poor diet can lead to a loss of this
22:35
Speaker 6: precious gas, and in turn, blood pressure can go up,
22:38
Speaker 6: energy can go down, and you can get tingling in
22:41
Speaker 6: your hands and feet. Well, our product, Ultimate nitric Oxide,
22:46
Speaker 6: can easily help fix this lack of nitric oxide. Go
22:50
Speaker 6: to total Wellness dot com. That's total wellness dot com, where
22:55
Speaker 6: we are helping you to look good, feel good, and
22:58
Speaker 6: enjoy total wellness.
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Speaker 3: government regulation. And this is a question that comes up
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Speaker 3: things like that. Well, what about AI, Joe, how is
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Speaker 3: We'll get into that. Kevin Frasier from the Cato Institute
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Speaker 3: Well that leaves the line open for you and what
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Speaker 3: way too long on the line there, so she'll call back.
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure about that. But AI and what is appropriate?
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Speaker 3: What are appropriate guardrails? Should the government? You dictate AI?
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Speaker 3: Should the government run everything through AI? Pete hegxeth once?
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Speaker 3: Was it anthropomorphic? No, that's that's not the one. That's
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Speaker 3: the AI software from Apple and Google. Google it wants
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Speaker 3: this AI. Is that the right direction to go to
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Speaker 3: keep the AI genie in the box, or is it
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Speaker 3: to just let it run free and learn from what
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Speaker 3: a bad place to learn. And I've compared it in
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Speaker 3: in a schoolyard in an city and then being surprised
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Speaker 3: to the kind of person it turns into. But anyway,
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Speaker 3: Kevin knows more than I do. He's just published a
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Speaker 3: To you there, Kevin walk Away too. I'm not having
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Speaker 10: Yes, thank you, well, thank you very much for having me.
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Speaker 22: It's always a pleasure to get to talk with folks
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Speaker 22: who care about the constitution and who care about innovation.
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Speaker 10: So you're riding my sweet spot.
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Speaker 3: Well, I just wanted to make sure anyone's aware if
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Speaker 3: This is just to prove it's like an audio watermark,
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Speaker 3: that I am not artificial intelligence But I guess that's
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Speaker 3: wind up getting bad examples painted for it there. But
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Speaker 3: be the case, isn't it, Kevin. It's like, well, this
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Speaker 3: we're going to die or we're gonna have a great
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Speaker 3: future or whatever. So it seems like whenever there's a
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Speaker 3: did you find, Kevin?
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Speaker 22: You know you are so spought on whether we're talking
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Speaker 22: theaters or comic books. There were periods of time in
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Speaker 22: American history where there were active revolts against the things
32:50
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Speaker 10: Or perhaps you learn.
32:56
Speaker 22: That your kid is spending too much time at the
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33:12
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Speaker 22: we can all understand. But going back to your original point,
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Speaker 22: this is really bad from a regulatory design standpoint at
33:27
Speaker 22: this point in American history twenty twenty six, I think
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Speaker 22: we can hold ourselves to a bit of a higher standard,
33:34
Speaker 22: which is to say, all right, we know that when
33:37
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Speaker 22: So how can we actually think through a wiser approach,
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Speaker 3: Right now, Kevin, you know two points, And again I
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Speaker 3: did very rudimentary debating classes back in New York City
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34:15
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Speaker 3: try to see both sides. So that being said, here
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Speaker 22: So I think you're right to emphasize that there are
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Speaker 22: technological and cultural perspective, there are certain contexts in which
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Speaker 10: Heck, no, right, obviously I would be opposed to that.
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Speaker 22: So I'll let your listeners decide whether they would impose.
35:53
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Speaker 22: And then, you know, we hear of people who are
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Speaker 10: Why are we even doing this?
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Speaker 3: some of them you don't. I think Deezer is another one,
45:54
Speaker 3: or you know, just go. Spreaker is where the Talk
45:58
Speaker 3: Media Network hosts all of our podcasts, all the different
46:02
Speaker 3: shows that they do up on Spreaker as well, So
46:06
Speaker 3: jump in as you can and pick them up after
46:10
Speaker 3: the fact. If that's the case because it's evergreen. I
46:13
Speaker 3: mean this stuff, and it's hard because we've been doing
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Speaker 3: this a long time that I don't want to feel
46:20
Speaker 3: like I'm repeating myself, repeating myself, repeating myself. But I
46:24
Speaker 3: understand how your world is in the morning, and you
46:26
Speaker 3: got twenty minutes half an hour to listen, so go
46:30
Speaker 3: back and download at your leisure. I see the numbers
46:33
Speaker 3: and they're pretty good. Kevin Fraser is on with us
46:38
Speaker 3: talking about his work in artificial intelligence and constitutional law
46:44
Speaker 3: and regulatory design at the Cato Institute, and you can
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Speaker 3: find it at Kato dot org. Kevin, you raise a
46:52
Speaker 3: couple of really interesting points, and I'm going to lean
46:54
Speaker 3: on something that's not quasi libertarian, but I think it's
47:00
Speaker 3: an important buttress to it is that societies through the
47:06
Speaker 3: history of the world have all had an age of majority,
47:12
Speaker 3: whether it's you know, after you've gone through the classes
47:15
Speaker 3: and you bar mitzvah or you communion, you know, and
47:19
Speaker 3: there are usually classes, often attached to your church, that
47:24
Speaker 3: bring you to that point of where now the community
47:27
Speaker 3: views you as an adult, and therefore you know, you
47:31
Speaker 3: know what your responsibilities are as an adult, and you
47:34
Speaker 3: also know now what your privileges are, your rights are
47:38
Speaker 3: as an adult. Has America forgotten that a lot of
47:43
Speaker 3: our kids are still so thoroughly impressionable that just saying yeah,
47:49
Speaker 3: go find it on the computer, Johnny. And some of
47:54
Speaker 3: it's because they are better at manipulating the computers than we,
47:58
Speaker 3: the adults are. We trust them with things that we
48:03
Speaker 3: wouldn't necessarily trust eleven or twelve year old with a
48:08
Speaker 3: chainsaw or an automobile, you know, until they've reached that
48:13
Speaker 3: point of adulthood. And often it's because of their ability
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Speaker 3: to be manipulated and coerced until they've learned all the
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Speaker 3: you know, the guardrails and rules of a society, never
48:26
Speaker 3: mind of a technology.
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Speaker 22: I really like this emphasis on the fact that we've
48:33
Speaker 22: always had some sort of cultural awareness, that there's a
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Speaker 22: line in the sand or some loosely demarketed spot where
48:43
Speaker 22: we acknowledge that, okay, now you're safe to go run
48:46
Speaker 22: in the wild and to explore ideas. But what I'd
48:49
Speaker 22: like to emphasize is that so much of that is
48:51
Speaker 22: cultural and dependent on a family's context. And so, as
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Speaker 22: you noted, it changes across different face, changes across different
49:02
Speaker 22: political systems, right we all know why spring break college
49:05
Speaker 22: students love to go to Europe or to Mexico.
49:08
Speaker 10: Instead of staying in the United States.
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Speaker 22: Right, And you could argue, for example, that maybe that
49:13
Speaker 22: exposure to alcohol at an earlier age is better in
49:17
Speaker 22: some context and worse in other contexts. So what I
49:20
Speaker 22: want to emphasize here, instead of saying that we should
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Speaker 22: have the state, for example, specify that no one below
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Speaker 22: the age of sixteen can ever access an AI companion
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Speaker 22: or a general purpose AI tool, what I would love
49:36
Speaker 22: to see is a more deliberate effort to make sure
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Speaker 22: that parents and civil society leaders understand the ramifications of
49:44
Speaker 22: using different AI tools. So in the same way that
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Speaker 22: the A team's first car is unlikely to be a Ferrari, right,
49:53
Speaker 22: you don't want them to be able to go ninety
49:56
Speaker 22: You're going to buy them that Toyota care from the
50:01
Speaker 22: hand me down car salesmen that's you know, five thousand dollars,
50:06
Speaker 22: can't go very fast and probably isn't even highway safe,
50:09
Speaker 22: so they don't even contemplate going on that crazy road trip.
50:13
Speaker 22: Why not put an emphasis on creating more signals and
50:17
Speaker 22: more opportunities for parents to make informed decisions. About what
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Speaker 22: tools they want their youngsters to use, because what I
50:26
Speaker 22: really worry about here is there are a range of
50:29
Speaker 22: AI tools that we don't talk about. We talk a
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Speaker 22: lot about chat, GPT, we talk a lot about Gemini
50:35
Speaker 22: and Claude and some of the more well known models. Well,
50:39
Speaker 22: from my vantage point here in Austin, Texas, I get
50:42
Speaker 22: to talk with startup founders who are creating very niche,
50:47
Speaker 22: very specific, very safe AI tools to address some of
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Speaker 22: the very real concerns that American families are dealing with
50:55
Speaker 22: every day. For example, Hey, I have a kid who
50:58
Speaker 22: has dyslexia, and they get five minutes of time from
51:03
Speaker 22: their public school teacher because there are thirty.
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Speaker 10: Five other students in their class.
51:08
Speaker 22: Why not make sure that student can access an AI
51:10
Speaker 22: tutor that's been developed and trained to provide safe information.
51:15
Speaker 22: And while I get that a lot of state legislators
51:17
Speaker 22: are well intentioned about trying to make sure that we
51:20
Speaker 22: maintain that access, I would caution that some of the
51:25
Speaker 22: bills they're drafting are just not very technologically savvy.
51:30
Speaker 10: I've read a few that would regulate.
51:31
Speaker 22: A calculator just because we don't even know how to
51:35
Speaker 22: define AI in the proper context in a lot of
51:38
Speaker 22: these domains.
51:40
Speaker 3: Key, We've got to run. News is coming up here.
51:43
Speaker 3: Cato dot org is where you can find his piece
51:47
Speaker 3: on this text message, Joe, it's called school asteris Ascaris. Oh,
51:56
Speaker 3: I don't know what your implication is there. Andy not
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Speaker 3: the Andy in Florida. This is Andy and Greenwich. But yeah,
52:04
Speaker 3: I understand that school is in the public domain. What
52:09
Speaker 3: we would like to think teaches people the things that
52:13
Speaker 3: they need to know to be an adult. But what
52:16
Speaker 3: we've wound up with is, because it's a slippery slope
52:20
Speaker 3: of humans doing human things, we've made it social indoctrination.
52:27
Speaker 3: And rather than the simple rights and wrongs, it's it's
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Speaker 3: about behavior, not knowledge of the simple human truths of
52:37
Speaker 3: what is right and what is wrong in there. But
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Speaker 3: I appreciate the text message at four three four eight
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Speaker 3: eight two four to two one seven more with you
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Speaker 3: Mac coming up with sports as well. First thing today
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