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Healthcare Serial Killer Elizabeth Wettlaufer · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: How's it going.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 2: and Grim.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcast morning. The following podcast material for
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  Speaker 1: a mature audience listeners just watching this?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Hello, how's it going?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone? I don't even know what episode we're on.
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  Speaker 1: Actually I was going to say the number, but I forget.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't this eleven?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's eleven eleven?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's episode eleven. Wow, yeah, we were in
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  Speaker 2: the double digits. We're in the double numbers our first,
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  Speaker 2: you know, double number one and one, You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I actually we should have said something last,
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  Speaker 1: so don't almost.
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  Speaker 3: That's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Well we're saying it now. Yeah, we're past ten. The
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  Speaker 2: sun shining too, by the way, that snow is mel melting. Yes, Janks,
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  Speaker 2: you mean cokes.
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  Speaker 1: And we both have the day off.
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  Speaker 2: I have the whole week off.
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  Speaker 1: Oh lucky, lucky.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm doing like home renovation stuff and catching
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  Speaker 2: up on the to do list.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, still work when you have the week off.
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  Speaker 3: Do you actually ever have the week off?
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  Speaker 2: Not unless you unless we go on like an actual vacation.
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  Speaker 2: If we're home with a week off, we're still.
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  Speaker 1: Working totally and you can't really travel right now.
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  Speaker 2: So uh, vacation is spent at home doing more work.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like last year.
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  Speaker 1: We had an awesome vacation plan to Disneyland. Oh and
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  Speaker 1: we stayed home to work on the basin because we
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  Speaker 1: can go.
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  Speaker 3: Like this shit's been going on for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: We had to open up that old wound. I was
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  Speaker 2: supposed to go to Star Wars Land. I was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to have my own custom built light saber. I was
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  Speaker 2: supposed to Ah, man, well.
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  Speaker 1: We'll reschedule, we'll replanning better. Yeah, I mean once everyone
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  Speaker 1: can like they're going to just be traveling city, right,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be going everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, considering like normal traveling parameters, where would you travel
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  Speaker 2: to you right now if you have the.
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  Speaker 1: Option, Oh, like we didn't have to be COVID.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't a thing, and we had this week off, where
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  Speaker 2: would you want us to start traveling to this week?
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  Speaker 2: Of course, like our normal bank account budget that sort
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  Speaker 2: of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I would just go to the Disneyland trip.
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  Speaker 3: That was a dope trip.
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  Speaker 1: It was gonna be so awesome to the Yes, yeah, you.
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  Speaker 2: Probably Vancouver Island, although I mean Disneyland now that you
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  Speaker 2: mention it, yeah, that's gonna be over Vancouver Island. But
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  Speaker 2: I would have said to Fino.
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  Speaker 1: For some taco, Fino.
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  Speaker 2: The tacos over there, Give me some tacos on the
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  Speaker 2: beach to the good. So good man, Now I want tacos.
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  Speaker 2: Can we have tacos for dinner tomorrow?
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  Speaker 1: It is Taco Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: It is taco Tuesday. Yes, what kind of tacos? Which
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  Speaker 2: we do? Chicken, beef, fish, fish? Fish? We do fish tacos?
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  Speaker 2: Should we do like shrimp tacos?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, you choose?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, shrimp tacos. With with we're gonna do guacamol. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna do like a little guacamole dip thing on the
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  Speaker 2: side for some like nacho chips. That's what we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: That's our dinner.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now that we've literally made everyone like.
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  Speaker 2: Hungry, welcome to the cooking show.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I'm going to dive in.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: And basically, if you weren't afraid of aging before this case,
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  Speaker 1: you're probably going to be afraid of aging.
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  Speaker 2: Afraid of aging? Okay, Well, my knee like hurts with
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  Speaker 2: every day that passes, and that scares me.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to be educating you on some.
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  Speaker 2: Dark stuff, all right, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 1: For this stuff. I didn't even realize was an issue
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  Speaker 1: or a thing.
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  Speaker 3: So I educated myself too.
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  Speaker 2: I heard of this case, and you've told me a
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  Speaker 2: few things about it as well.
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  Speaker 1: I have. I have. I actually wasn't very secretive this time.
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  Speaker 1: So the story is about Elizabeth Tracy may Wetlaw fer
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  Speaker 1: or Beth as I'm going to refer to her, okay,
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  Speaker 1: And it takes place in Woodstock, Ontario.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: Beth was born on June tenth, nineteen sixty seven, to
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  Speaker 1: parents Doug and Hazel Parker. She and her brother were
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  Speaker 1: raised in Woodstock, Ontario, and grew up in a religious household,
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  Speaker 1: with their parents being quite controlling with very conservative values.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like that's like not an abnormal thing for
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  Speaker 2: religious household, especially like back in the day sort of
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  Speaker 2: thing to be very conservative and like just the whole
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  Speaker 2: like abundance of that situation that we just like painted, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I know, I feel like we've almost painted
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  Speaker 1: this manger. Before Beth attended Huran, I think it's called
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  Speaker 1: park Secondary School in the mid nineteen eighties, and in
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  Speaker 1: her high school yearbook said she hoped to ady drama
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  Speaker 1: in university. Cool fun fun. During high school, Beth internally
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  Speaker 1: struggled with her sexuality and felt a lot of guilt
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  Speaker 1: for it, as her church didn't approve of same sex relationship.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thankfully though, like, we're coming to long ways now,
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  Speaker 2: like twenty twenty one. I've even seen like posts and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's Facebook. How accurate can this be? But
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  Speaker 2: I've seen Facebook posts where it's like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: these churches are beginning to support these people and so
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  Speaker 2: and so forward.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well so that was in the eighties,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, we've definitely come.
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  Speaker 2: Oh we've come a long way.
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  Speaker 1: So come a long way. If she had come out
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  Speaker 1: to her family, she would have been rejected. Yeah, basically
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  Speaker 1: we pretty much just said that shunned. So instead instead
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  Speaker 1: she turned to experimenting with drugs and alcohol.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's a fair compromise.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I mean honestly, though, if you were like
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  Speaker 1: hiding something from your family that you needed to, like,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Be able to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, h like no, I'm not blaming this
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  Speaker 2: on on her that I know.
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  Speaker 1: It's a terrible thing to turn to. But it's just like,
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  Speaker 1: just tried eating her up inside.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's got some shit she's she's trying to
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  Speaker 2: deal with and she needs an outlet somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: And there's her outlet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. There we go outlets usually in the fridge.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially lately chocolate milk.
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  Speaker 2: Give me chocolate milk. I can drink all my worlds.
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  Speaker 1: Just finished a four Leader jug of chocolate milk in
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  Speaker 1: twenty four hours and it was worth it.
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  Speaker 2: Every ounce was worth it.
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  Speaker 3: Does anyone else like chocolate milk?
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  Speaker 1: I bet you there's no one else that likes it
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  Speaker 1: as much as you. People could finish it as quickly.
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  Speaker 2: It's literally my weakness.
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  Speaker 1: If there's someone else there, send us a message. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that message.
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  Speaker 2: And you drink And I'm not saying, like, can you
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  Speaker 2: go out and try to drink four Leaders of chocolate
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  Speaker 2: milk in twenty four hours? Do you just casually drink
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  Speaker 2: four Leaders of chocolate.
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  Speaker 3: Milk like it's no big deal?
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  Speaker 2: Because I do?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: After high school, Beth went to journalism school for a year,
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  Speaker 1: decided that wasn't for her and switched over to London
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  Speaker 1: Baptist Bible College, where she earned a bachelor's degree in
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  Speaker 1: religious studies with a minor in counseling. Okay, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: until later that she decided to go into nursing, and
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five graduate weight.
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  Speaker 3: I was saying that really funny.
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  Speaker 1: Graduated from It was because I was coming to how
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  Speaker 1: to pronounce this college and I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know how to graduate?
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  Speaker 1: Eight graduated from Constoga College.
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  Speaker 2: Constoga.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, people are just gonna know that
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  Speaker 1: I am shit at pronouncing words and there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of words in here that I wouldn't know.
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  Speaker 3: Idea.
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  Speaker 2: I've stumbled. I don't know how many times. It's countless
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  Speaker 2: at this.
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  Speaker 3: One because the last names and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Oh man, that's the worst.
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  Speaker 1: So she graduated as a registered nurse in nineteen o five,
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  Speaker 1: saying she had found her true calling.
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  Speaker 2: Cool cool good for her m HM.
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  Speaker 1: In October of nineteen ninety seven, Beth, going against her desires,
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  Speaker 1: married a long haul truck driver named Daniel wet Laffer.
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  Speaker 1: I like saying wet Laffer. I'm into that Lafer.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Why wet Laffer.
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  Speaker 2: It's just I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: The marriage. Unfortunately, didn't work out between them, causing and
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  Speaker 1: this caused best downhill spiral.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not surprised the marriage didn't work out.
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  Speaker 3: Why.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she doesn't like dick. He's got a dick.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't like men.
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  Speaker 1: So they separated in two thousand and seven and divorced
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha, when when was their marriage?
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  Speaker 3: What year.
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  Speaker 1: They got married? They were actually married for a while,
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  Speaker 1: So they got married in nineteen ninety seven.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it was like ten years they were together
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  Speaker 2: for Well, it's impressive. Yeah, for someone who's of a
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  Speaker 2: completely different sexuality to be in a heterosexual marriage for
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  Speaker 2: ten years, that's got to take some fucking inner strength.
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  Speaker 1: And they didn't have any children, and they didn't like
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  Speaker 1: nothing bad of her, which I'm going to be diving
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  Speaker 1: into didn't start until after they separated. So I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: he was good for her.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like That's just what I feel like.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So they separated in two thousand and seven,
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  Speaker 1: divorce in two thousand and eight. In two thousand and seven,
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  Speaker 1: Beth was hired onto the staff at Crescent Care, a
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  Speaker 1: privately owned long term care home in Woodstock, Woodstock, Ontario.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not like the music festival Woodstock. A bunch of
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  Speaker 2: old people rocking out in Woodstock.
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  Speaker 3: Really awesome.
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  Speaker 1: She was initially regarded by coworkers to be caring and professional. However,
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  Speaker 1: Best still struggled with substance abuse and alcoholism, and this
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  Speaker 1: was showing up in her work. She faced accusations of
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  Speaker 1: throwing up to work drunk, and at one point was
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  Speaker 1: said to be found passed out during night shift in
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  Speaker 1: the facility's basement.
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  Speaker 2: Damn, she's just living all of our dreams right now.
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  Speaker 4: Asn't she fall in.
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  Speaker 1: The sleep in the basement at work?
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  Speaker 3: That sounds so nice.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really want to do the work today. I
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  Speaker 2: don't really want to just drinking and passing out. Oh
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  Speaker 2: I wish, Oh my god, I wish.
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  Speaker 1: She was a woman with a lot of pent up
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  Speaker 1: anger caused from her marriage, ending stress and responsibility from
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  Speaker 1: her job, and frustrations caused by her patients. In March
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  Speaker 1: of twenty fourteenth, Beth was fired from Crescent Care for
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  Speaker 1: giving the wrong medication to a parent or to a patient.
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  Speaker 1: She had previously been suspended four times for medication related errors.
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  Speaker 2: Though, can we just like take a moment here four
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  Speaker 2: times suspended from this medication error. There is some serious
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  Speaker 2: flaw in the safety.
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  Speaker 1: I know that's a long that's a lot, but then okay,
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  Speaker 1: grant you like a lot of Like even at your work,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it usually like three strikes you're out. So really
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  Speaker 1: it was like only well, I guess two extra times
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  Speaker 1: only okay, and okay, that's bad.
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  Speaker 3: It's as she when people's gloves are.
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  Speaker 2: Only two extra times. But yeah, it's usually like okay,
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  Speaker 2: first time it's a warning. Second time you get like
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  Speaker 2: written up. Third time it's like you get sent home.
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  Speaker 2: After that it's like, yeah, you're fired.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she did it five times basically geez, which
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  Speaker 1: isn't great.
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  Speaker 2: And to be fair, like you listen to any sort
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  Speaker 2: of and like I have safety background training, so this
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  Speaker 2: might be a little more obvious to me, but it
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  Speaker 2: should be obvious to everyone. If there is an issue,
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  Speaker 2: you need to identify why that issue occurred.
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  Speaker 1: So if it wouldn't be hard to tell what her
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  Speaker 1: issue was.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so there's there's some things happening there to her,
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  Speaker 2: so you go to identify Okay, she's done this, and
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  Speaker 2: the first time it could be just attributed to like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: fucking shit happens, right, but second time, okay, something. If
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  Speaker 2: something happens two times in a row, it's not an accident,
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  Speaker 2: or at least most likely not an accident. Right, three
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  Speaker 2: times in a row, it's definitely not an accident. Right,
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  Speaker 2: something's going on to the cause. Yeah, and exactly that
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  Speaker 2: root cause analysis.
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  Speaker 1: But they didn't do that until the fifth time, and
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  Speaker 1: then they just fired her ass. I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: that's funny, but it is.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: First time, you're okay. Second you're okay, Third you're okay.
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  Speaker 2: Four five still oh wait, no, okay, now, no, you're
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  Speaker 2: gone fire your ass. That's hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: After leaving Cress and Care, Beth, as you could imagine,
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  Speaker 1: had some difficulty holding down a job and moved between
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  Speaker 1: several facilities. One place she did work was Metow Park
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  Speaker 1: Care Center in London. While there, she became addicted to
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  Speaker 1: hydro morphone hydromorphine. Okay, no, I actually think it's okay.
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  Speaker 1: I looked up the pronunciation of this and I think
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  Speaker 1: I've been pronouncing it wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, Kat was just climbing all over like our mic stands.
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  Speaker 1: There because I thought it was pronounced hydromorphine. But it
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  Speaker 1: was saying it was hydro morphone like phone at the end.
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  Speaker 4: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's probably gonna be a nurse on listening.
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  Speaker 1: That's like, this is how you pronounce it, if anyone,
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  Speaker 1: because yeah, I actually thought it was hard hydromorphine, but
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  Speaker 1: then I like googled it to speak or whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: it was hydromlephone.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a painkiller that she she would take from
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  Speaker 1: her patients, and she would take it from her plate
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  Speaker 1: her patients and replace it with lack laxatives. Laxatives, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because like it was she was they didn't know, and
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  Speaker 1: so she was just replacing it with another like pill,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what she replaced it to. And like they
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  Speaker 1: were elderly and didn't know when.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's just a shitty situation.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's brutal.
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  Speaker 2: That is messed up. I'm just gonna take your medication
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  Speaker 2: for myself. Oh, by the way, here's here's a laxative.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna be pooping for the next twelve hours, like
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  Speaker 2: the poor souls.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't until twenty sixteen that we would get the
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  Speaker 1: full picture of what exactly best down Hill's spiral looked
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  Speaker 1: like here comes. On September sixteenth, be Beth ultimately decided
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  Speaker 1: to leave nursing the probably call. It was actually a
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  Speaker 1: really good call, I think. Yeah, the reason being that
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  Speaker 1: one of her employers reassigned her from caring for elderly
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  Speaker 1: patients to administering insulin to children with diabetes diabetes, and
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  Speaker 1: she feared she wouldn't be able to resist from hurting them.
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  Speaker 1: That's fucked up, So there's a little foreshadow.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, at least she had somewhat of control
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  Speaker 2: that it could have been a lot worse.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, so she decided that she would not
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  Speaker 1: harm children.
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  Speaker 2: But what's what's going through her boss's head there, Like, realistically, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you have a history of giving these elderly people the
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  Speaker 2: wrong medication, so we're going to give you to kids instead.
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  Speaker 1: But see that person, Okay, this is like you're kind
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  Speaker 1: of diving in a little bit deep here. But that
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  Speaker 1: person might not even have fully known her whole history
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  Speaker 1: from Crescent Care, I guess because it was actually asked
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  Speaker 1: I think at the union or whatever, like after everything
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  Speaker 1: came out if and like her history and stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't say anything because of privacy. So it was
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  Speaker 1: not even clear if, like if what her reports are
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  Speaker 1: being fired and stuff had even got passed on to
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  Speaker 1: like her new employers and stuff, which is really messed up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so they might not have even known that's that she
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  Speaker 1: had previously gotten fired and why she had gotten fired.
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  Speaker 2: That's really fucked up. I understand the union is there
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  Speaker 2: to protect the employee, but however, you're also it's there
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  Speaker 2: to make sure everyone is safe and protecting.
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  Speaker 1: No, I know, I didn't love that. So she quit
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  Speaker 1: her job. Okay, so this is after she refused to
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  Speaker 1: work with the children. She quit her job and checked
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  Speaker 1: herself into rehab at cam H in Toronto. And very
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  Speaker 1: shortly after after checking into rehab, like we're talking like
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  Speaker 1: within hours, Best started confessing information to a psychologist that
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  Speaker 1: was quite alarming, so alarming that the Toronto Police had
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  Speaker 1: to be notified.
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  Speaker 2: Dun dun Duhn.
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  Speaker 1: Initially confessing in a four page written letter. Beth also
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  Speaker 1: personally emailed the College of Nurses to resign from being
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  Speaker 1: a nurse, as she said she had deliberately harmed patients
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  Speaker 1: in her care. Beth later participated in a two and
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  Speaker 1: a half hour videotape confession with detective Nathan Hergott, and
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  Speaker 1: from two thousand and seven to twenty sixteen, Beth confessed
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  Speaker 1: to murdering eight patients and attempting to harm six others. Jeez,
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  Speaker 1: and if it wasn't for this confession, these families would
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  Speaker 1: never have known the real reason that their elderly loved
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  Speaker 1: ones die.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, okay, because you pretty much watched this two
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: hour confession like what happened?
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Hey, I didn't watch the full thing because it's like
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: pretty dry.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Right, well, of course it's non stop video in a
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: confession room.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: It was very interesting because I felt like she was
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: like so calm, and it was just almost like she
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: had just felt like it was her time to confess
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: or something like. It just seemed like she didn't really
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: have any hesitation about all her confessions, which I thought
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: was like weird, that is weird, Like it's she just
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: seemed I mean, it's I will will put it the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: link up for it, so if you want, if you
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: have two and a half hours of your life that
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: you want to commit to watching that you can. Like
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: she paced a few times, but it was almost just
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: because I think she was like tired of sitting there, right,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: But like she just seems so chill with like confessing everything.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And I thought that was really weird because I feel
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: like if I was confessing to the ship she did,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't been that calm.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I would not be calm at all. I'd be like,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I fucking killed people and now I'm telling you I'm fucked.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Like I would be scared shitless. Yeah, there's god, Like
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: that's got to be a sign of like she's a
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: psychopath or some sort on top of whatever else.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean she had a lot of like depression
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and mental issues and stuff.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but to be calm and confessing to killing eight people,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Well okay, well, like we're gonna dive into it more,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: dude here. But like she felt like she felt bad,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: but it was just like yeah, I was like, this
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: is what I did.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But there's a difference between being yeah, I feel
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: bad and oh I feel so.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Bad, Like you know, I know, I feel like I
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: would have been sobbing. Okay, but maybe she did and
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't go that deep. But like she seemed pretty
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: chill at the beginning.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if she's not showing remorse, I'm pretty sure she
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't actually have much remorse.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So to dive into this, it was shortly
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: after she started working at Crescent Care when she began
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: murdering patience. And what she was doing to murder these patients.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: You ready, I'm ready?
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Was she was experimenting with injecting patients with insulin, heavy
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: doses of insulin to overdose them.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: So fucked.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: There's reasons why she chose insulin, but.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I'm curious on why.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Best first assaults occurred between June twenty fifth and December
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: thirty one of two thousand and seven. She confessed to
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: injecting sisters. Oh this is where the names could start here.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Just do your best, do your best. We got you,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: We're going to support you through this.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Uh Clydia. I think it's her name, our Audrino or something.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: She was eighty seven and Albino Demorris was eighty eight,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: so she injected them with insulin. While they later died,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Neither of their deaths were attributed to death or to
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: best to death.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Neither of their death were attributed to death.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So they were two of the lucky ones. She didn't give.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Them enough and they like yet, so they survived.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: They survived. The first case in with Beth in which
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Beth did kill was with the patient James Silcox, who
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: died on August eleventh, two thousand and seven, at Crescent Care.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: James was a World War Two veteran, married for sixty
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: three years, which I loved, and a father of six.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: In her kid yeah, actually that's a lot of kids, say,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I never even really put that together, but that's a
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: lot of kids. In her confession to the detective Nathan Hurgot,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: she said, I gave him a dose of fifty milligrams
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: of insulin. He's not diabetic. I used a bor oled
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: insulin pen and gave him an insulin shot well through
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the Throughout the night, he was yelling out I love
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you and I'm sorry not to me, but just you
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: could hear him calling out in his room and that's
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: what he was saying. At three point thirty, the personal
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: support worker came to me and said that he was gone.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: So I did what we were supposed to do. I
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: went and listened to his heart and Chess called the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: doctor called the family because that's what they wanted. Family
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: came in to sit with him for a while. The
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: doctor later ruled that he had died from an embolism
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: associated with the surgery that he recently had.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, what the fuck is that even an embolism?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I think that's like a clot or something, isn't it.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Oh that's why he asked you.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't look it up.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: So he had died from like something caused from the surgery.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's a clot.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Gotcha? Okay.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Plot. The family commended Beth for her work, and when
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the detective asked how that made her feel, she said
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: absolutely awful.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Well, no kidding, it should. If she felt absolutely awful
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: for that, then why did she continue?
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: You Well, she also said that the overdose felt like
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a pressure had relieved from her just overall, like a
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: pressure was lifted from her emotions. So she had this
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: like immense pressure, and after she killed it was relieved,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: you know what, like going to the bathroom.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe she should try drinking four leaders of chocolate milk
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: that makes me feel better rather than killing someone. Just milk.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Well, if only like you had known her, you could
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: have said this to her.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Maybe you could have said, dude, just.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Go buy a floor leader jug of choks.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, that easy. Put on some Bob Marley Street, little beds,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, So during this time I should note that she
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: was looking for love online and she did have a
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: few same sex relationships, one being with Sheila Andrews from
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Northern Saskatchewan.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, her her being a complete psychopath murderer aside. I
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: am happy she was able to get into the same
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: sex marriage thing, because it sounds like that was a
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: big struggle through her life.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Well she never got married, dude.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Well, sorry that same sex were relationship.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Sheila was interviewed on a documentary through the Fifth Estate
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: called The Unraveling of Nurse Elizabeth Wettlawfer, which is actually
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: really good and people should go and watch it. Sheila
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: said Beth decided she liked girls, which is what split
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: up her marriage. She seemed proud of being a nurse
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: and enjoyed the power being in charge at night because
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: she normally worked Nighthis, yeah, Sheila said, there was a
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: troublesome side to Beth, and she knew very soon after
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: they met in person for the first time that this
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to work out. She said Beth poted a
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: lot and had little temper tantems when she didn't get
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: her own way. She had a lot of childish issues
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: about her, and there was something off with her vibe.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: She didn't have a good vibe.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, vibe them with that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Trust your gut. If someone doesn't have a good vibe,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: don't go with it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, there could totally be a reason for that.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out that they're they're killing eighty year
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: old people with insulin shots.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Yep, that was the vibe that was off there.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: How do you give off that sort of vibe?
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe she was just really good at picking up vibes.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe Beth also had a passion for writing and posting
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: graphic poems under the name Betty Watson Weston Weston on
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: all poetry dot com. You can actually go and find
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: her poems.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, how heavy are these poems?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: So?
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: There was so many reports about this one poem, and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: so I went to this website and I couldn't see
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: it there. So I feel like it might have gotten
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: maybe down or something, or it's like you might have
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to be a member to see it. I don't know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: but I was able to get it for you.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Oh you fooled me there. I was thinking, You're like, yeah,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I wasn't able to find it, but I got this
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: one instead.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: No, I'm a for to the max here.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: You pulled the old switcheroo there, Good job, good job.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: So yeah, this was the darkest one. You ready, Oh
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: my goodness, it's so creepy.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm ready for it. But let's
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: let's let's hear it dished out. Le's see if you
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: can take it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I'm very good reading poems,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: but let's draw here. Okay. She watches some life drain
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: from the notch in his neck vein. As it soothingly pools,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: it smothers her pain. Sweet stiletto so sharp, craves another cut.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Obeying a call, she moves to his gut blade traces
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: a line from nabel to spine, grating on ribbones, slicing
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and test tine.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Your face that is a whole nother kind of fucked
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: up right there? Holy shit, Oh my gosh, leave me.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: People can see your face like it's like, oh right,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Like who writes the poem like that?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I was kind of feeling bad for Beth up until
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Oh were you?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Yes? Like trust me out? Like she should fucking rot
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: in jail for life what she's done. But I'm like,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: she's seriously going through some shit, Like you know, I'm
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: almost feeling bad for this. No, fuck this, bitch, I'm sorry,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I'm out.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's actually so funny because I feel like Sam
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: almost crying here. That poem just hit me hard. But
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I felt kind of bad for her too at times,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: which is so fucked up. Like why I was researching
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: was like, why do I feel bad for her?
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it seems like she's going through a lot of shit. However,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: that's no excuse to do this to other people just
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: because you're going through something.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely no excuse, absolutely no excuse. Okay, And we're
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: about to dive into the rest of the other murders,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: which is really unfortunate. So through to March twenty fourteen,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Beth murdered six more patients at Crescent Care and attempted
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to murder two more.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: And this was all in March.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Sorry, no, this was like through to twenty seven to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. This was while she was at Crescent Care.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Because afterwards she laughed and there were some others gotcha.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: In December two thousand and seven, that fatally injected Morris
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Moe were not with Insolin. He was eighty four years old.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Apparently Mo had grabbed her breast, and when she ordered
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: him to stop, he believed her. He removed his hand
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and laughed, which is like.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's from eighty four years old, that's funny.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's not funny.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Funny, but it's not funny. But like, he probably didn't
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: even really know exactly what he was doing.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of stories I've heard from creepy
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: old dudes and stuff in care homes. Though it's not acceptable.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: It's not unacceptable, but it wasn't it wasn't going to
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: go any further than that. Yeah, so she's where was
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I Yeah? So, I mean the fact that he laughed
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: probably pistraph she.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Touched me off to someone grabbed my tit and do that?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Fuck that get out of here? What you.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Crap?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: It would?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, holy let's get this together, she said again. She
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: felt an overall sense of anger and pressure, a strong
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: urge to end his life to relieve these emotions. So
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that's what she did again.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Chocolate milk, Oh my goodness.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: On October fourteenth, twenty eleven, Gladys Millard aged eighty seven,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: was Best's next victim. Best described her someone with dementia
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: who wouldn't take her pills and was very stubborn. She said,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: as always, one evening, I just got that red surging
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: feeling that she was going to be the one. I
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: would focus on one patient, and then I would get
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that red surge, which is what made me think it
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: was God. No comment.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of comments for that, but I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: not going to say anything. I have strong feelings towards
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: not all religious communities, but I have strong feelings towards
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of the major things that certain religious communities
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: tend to try and enforce. Let's put it that way.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Well, and honestly, that's not that's not God. If you're
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: believing God, I feel like that'd be the devil, right.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, though Beth would say these deaths
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: were peaceful, peaceful deaths, reading the stories of the victims,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the deaths to me did not sound like they were peaceful. Gladys,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: for example, was injected at five am by Beth fought
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and struggled with being injected because I'm sure she didn't
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: like think that was right, Like she probably doesn't normally
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: get injected, right because I don't have it in here.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: But lots of times Beth would be like, oh, this
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: is like a vitamin.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, then where's my flintstones?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Like my chewbo flintstones. Yeah, everyone's like seeing how young
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you are. Right now you're chopping to melkare flintstones.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: You don't actually take those.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: But so by seven am I'm talking about Gladys here,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: she was unresponsive and needing to be moved to palliative care.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: So that's like two hours later it was noted she
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: was red, sweaty, incoherent and had low vital signs.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: That's overdose. She's in show no.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: So by nine she was still sweating profusely, she was
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: cold and clammy, foaming at the mouth, pale, and her
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: body was twitching. And then she later passed away at
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: four or five geez, so like she got like that's
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: pretty much like eleven hours.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of shit, of a violent overdose.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: And like, also, I feel like, like foaming at the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: mouth and shit, does that happen to someone when they
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: just die?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just surprised that that's not something that got looked into.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: It happens to me when I see chocolate milk. Sorry,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm been throwing this chocolate milk joke in there
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: a lot hashtag worth it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I love chocolate.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I'm done though when I swear.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Jeez, you're like obsessed.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: So anyway, like that to me, just reading that does
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: not seem like.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: A peaceful death.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: No death, not like.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Like she yeah, that signs like overdose like this like
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: oh anyway, sorry, I'm just oh next Helen Matheson ninety seven.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: She died on October twenty seven, twenty eleven. Beth said
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: she didn't remember a lot about her. She was very quiet,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: very determined. She seemed to be waiting to die. We
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: talked about how much she liked, oh, we're talking about
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: more food here. She talked about how much she like
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: blueberry pie and ice cream. So on best lunch break
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: she went to purchase or to Walmart to purchase these
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: things for her, which I love, Like that's so cool.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: But then that night she overdoses her.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. She literally was like she's just playing god
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: at this point. She's like, Yeah, I'm gonna decide you
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: die tonight. I'm going to give you your last meal. I'm
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: deciding what your last meal is, even though I mean, yeah,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: of course she liked that stuff, but she's she's a
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: power freak, obsessed with power control.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's just disgusting really, and that kind of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: reminded me, like, I don't know if I should say
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: this with that time.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: We had to kill that.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Mouse and we gave it cheese before it died.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: But I mean, it's a mouse, not a freaking human being.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Well, that thing had like a step wrong with it.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, drastic, we gave it. It's like a last little meal. Okay.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Next, So Mary Zira Winsky she was ninety six on
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: March seven, twenty eleventh. Beth determined Mary was her next
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: victim because Mary had apparently asked Beth to place her
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: in her deathbed and she believed she was going to die.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So that was enough for Beth and she's like, yeah.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Next victim.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Helen Young ninety years old. She died on July fourteenth,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. She served in World War Two, where she
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: met her husband. They had no children, but she was
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: an outspoken lady who loved animals and traveling. She often
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: asked for help and frequently stated that she wanted to die,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: so Beth determined she was her next victim. It's like
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: you just could never ever say anything about like I
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: want to die or whatever to this lady nodding, she'd
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: be like.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, she gets to make the calls. She's power tripping.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she does seem like she likes the power. Hey.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well her ex even said that that she really
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: liked to be in control.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was probably maybe only one aspect of her life.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: She felt like that too, just from the history of it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: So again, not what I would call peaceful death. Helen's
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: face was red, her arms and legs were bent inward,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: her eyes bulging, and she was moaning loudly. She also
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: had a seizure of result.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Of the insulin jeez, I'm like, oh, it almost makes
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: me sick.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Marine Pickering seventy nine, So she died on March twenty fourteen.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Marine would often wander around into like other patient's rooms
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and she would also be aggressive, like she
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: would go in the rooms and like yell at them.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I guess so she needed one to one care, but
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: that wasn't always available. Beth was irritated that she had
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: to focus so much attention on Marine because at the
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: one particular night she didn't have the one on one
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: care because there wasn't someone available, so she got the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: urge to kill her, but she told herself, no, I
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: don't want her to die.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: So I was like, that's good.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: But if I could somehow give her enough of a
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: dose to give her a coma, something to change her
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: brain waves, maybe make her less mobile and less hard
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to handle. Wow, So that was ultimately what you wanted
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to do with Marine. But instead, Oh where was I here?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: So she that was on March twenty second that she
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: did the dosage, and then Marine still died, but not
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: until March twenty eighth, so it was like such a
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: prolonged death.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, this woman. Yeah, I don't feel bad
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: for her at all anymore.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, Like that one is brutal.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: She's just annoyed by this woman being like, yeah, you're
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: not even worth me killing, but I'm gonna just cripple you.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She wanted just to like have her not be
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: so annoying.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I wish this bitch was so not annoying.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Ugh, which I just so. And then she attempted to
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: murder Michael Priddle sixty three and Wayne Hedges fifty seven
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: because there were a little few gaps in the years there,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and so like that's when she attempted to kill them.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: She left employment at Cress and Karen twenty fourteen because
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: she was fired, but in part time work at other
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: facilities and at patients' homes. She injected three more with insulin.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: So she killed arped Horvath seventy five at Meadow Park
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Facility in London, Ontario, on August thirty first, twenty fourteen.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: She attempted to kill Sandra Towler seventy seven at a
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: retirement home in Paris, Ontario, on September twenty fifteenth. And
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the last one attempted to kill Beverly Bertran, who was
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: sixty eight, at a private residence on August twenty sixteen.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: And this one's quite interesting. I didn't have it in
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: there because she was like going to private residences, right,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: So like, how is she going to have this insulin
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: readily available to her?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, she would have definitely had to like stalk
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: this up, wouldn't she.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: So this person did I can't remember if this person
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: actually had no this person did have diabetes, but she
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: didn't want to use this person's insolent stash because then
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: they would know that like somewhere. So she actually went
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: into another broke into another like private resident who needed care.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: This person was in the shower at the time, heard
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: like someone break in. Came out of the shower and
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: like Beth was going through all her drugs and shit,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and she's like, what are you doing? Oh, I just
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: like forgot something here and like stole the insulin from
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: her to the next day, tried to overdose Beverly.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Wow, like the premeditation there.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I was like, holy freak, that's nuts.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh wow.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: So of the murders, she told detective, I felt horrible.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I felt angry at myself. I felt like I had
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: failed myself. I felt like I had failed or that
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: God had failed me.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: No, you felt God. Yeah, if anyone failed anyone, it's
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the other way around. You failed God.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: So get this though, this is something I was freaking shocked.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Oops.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I knock my mic himself for conshocked. Beth had previously
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: confessed to killing patients several times before this ultimate confession.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I've heard of that. What the hell happened here?
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: So she tried to stop the murders and had told
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: friends and a former partner, but no one took her seriously.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: She also continued to go to church and eventually told
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: a pastor that she was killing people by giving them overdoses.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: The pastor and his wife prayed over her and said,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: this is God's grace, but if you ever do this again,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: we will have to turn you into police.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: What yeah, what?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Uh? So they just let it go, but if she
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: did it again then they would have to turn her in.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: But the ones prior to her telling them God's grace,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: don't do it again.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is with people and just making up
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: their own rules as they go?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I know? Like that because and the thing is like
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: if they reported that, people would have been saved, Like
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I not report that the streak is wrong with you.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care, Like if you think
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: like okay, but even just thinking that's God's way, there's
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: something fucked out up about that, Like you're not You
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: don't get to an elderly age to be overdosed by insulin, right,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: that just doesn't happen.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: God's not going to decide that if God wants you
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: to die at an elderly age. He's going to take
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: you at an elderly age. He's not going to say, Okay,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: you know what, this bitch over here who needs to
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: drink more chocolate milk is going to ingest you with
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: some inject you with insulin.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I know, like it's just like almost it makes me angry. Okay,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: but let's move on from them now that I'm my
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: palms are sweating and I'm all heated up here.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Palms are sweaty, and knees weak, arms are heavy. Vomit
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: already his mom's spaghetti. That's Eminem eight Mile.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, best said the killing No, I don't listen to
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Eminem Eminem's I don't listen.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen eight Mile the movie.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, how am I married to you?
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is okay, we're in the middle of a podcast, Ben,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: but literally, like your every movie, it's like.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: How am I married?
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: You?
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Haven't watched that?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it baffles me everything.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: You need to make a list, so I watch these ship.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Movies they're not ship movies, and that list is going
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: to be miles long, like.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Miles Well it started.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I can't believe I haven't started it yet moving on.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Yes please, Bes said the podcast not a domestic.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Beth said the killings were not the result of medical
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: errors or done while she was addicted to the painkillers.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: In her confession, Beth admitted that she knew the difference
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: between right and wrong okay, but she was visited by
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: surges she could not control.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: She said, God or.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: The devil or whatever wanted me to do it. After
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: one murder, she felt the surging and then heard heard
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: her own laughter inwards. It was like a crackling from
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the pit of hell, Like.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: That sounds go.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, shit, what the fuck is that? Like this
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: is all in her confession, So she's literally laughing on
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the inside. I guess she knows what's wrong, but she's
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: laughing on the inside, you know, and.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Something something else. It's just like shit, Like I have
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: this feeling, like is that really all? Like who knows
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: if there weren't more right that she's like maybe even
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: just freaking forgot or even did when she was like
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: drunk or high or whatever.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Or she's just like, you know, I've confessed to eight,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I've already feel shit enough. I'm not gonna tell them
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: about the other fucking ten people, or.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe like after for an hour and a half in
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the confession, she needed a glass of chocolate milk, so
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: she just decided to stop it at those exactly right,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Like shit, I feel like there could have been more,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: but anyway, that's just a shitty thought. So Beth worked
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: for years without supervision. Her colleagues sounded the alarm on
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: several occasion for medication airs. Beth, Oh, where am I here?
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Sorry?
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I did okay?
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So her colleagues had like brought up a lot
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: of issues that made resonance at risk, and as mentioned,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Beth was suspended a few times and fired, right, but
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: no one here, I'm back in my thought. Sorry, but
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: no one suspected that Beth was actually like intentionally harming
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: those under hair care, not the residents or the families,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: not those who worked alongside Beth, and not those who
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: managed and supervised her.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: What about those people that Beth literally told face to
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: face that I am jecting people killing them.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Caurescent Care even gave Beth a reference letter after she
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: was fired. But mostly so that's why I think those
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: other places might not even know that she was like crazy, right,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: But mostly in part because the home wanted to avoid
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: a grievance from the Ontario Ontario Nurses Association. So see
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: like I was like, that's bullshit. Beth herself told lawyers
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that she chose insulin because it wouldn't be miss and
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: isn't tracked as closely as say, a narcotic, but her
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: use of the drug also aided in best crimes going
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: undetected even if an autopsy was performed, and being that
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: all of her victims were elderly and their deaths didn't
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: come across suspicion suspicious, most didn't have an autopsy. It's
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: not easy to identify if someone had died due to
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: an insolent overdose. According to the province's chief forensic, pale
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: And Tall, no forensic what would they be called?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm drawing a blank on it. Pathologists,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: all these dinosaurs over here, all these old people.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Brutal so there's no post mortem test for low blood sugar,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and the symptoms are associated with other conditions. It's also
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: difficult to distinguish natural and synthetic insulin in the body.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Deaths cause from an insolent overdose can also take days
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: to occur, occur, occur, I said it.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Right, almost sound like a core ears. I don't know, so.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like kind of why she chose insulin, and like, yeah,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: it was always in back rooms, it was easy to grab.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: It was never recorded really, like because I think probably
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: no one really ever.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Thought someone would.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: It's readily available. Yeah.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: So, after providing police with her two and a half
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: hour long confession, Beth was formally charged with the eight
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: murders on October twenty fifth, twenty sixteen. On January thirteen,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, upon further investigation, she was charged with four
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: counts of attempted murder and two counts of aggravated assault.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Jeez, her wrap sheet's pretty freaking long. Holy shit.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: She waived her right to a preliminary hearing and confessed
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: to all charges in court on June first, twenty seventeen,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: which I was like, good for her, Like, she's not
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: making this friggin be a drawn out, bullshit court session.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: So I was like, I appreciate that.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that, but I don't prepare her.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yet still herself, she still shit, but it's like.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: That at least she didn't waste taxpayers money as well.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that. She only wasted their money in
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: in and.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Our oxygen for breathing.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: June twenty sixth, twenty seventeen, Best was sentenced to eight
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: concurrent life terms in prison with no possibility of parole
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: for twenty five years.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, still she shouldn't have parole at all.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like she said, she's eight sentences, so I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I was going to look
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: that up, but I don't know if that means she'll
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: ever even get that parole because she was charged for
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: like eight life sentences, but I don't know she.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Gets parole after that time, right ten.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: I would be shocked if she ever got out, though.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I hope she does been shocked. I hope she fucking
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: rots in there.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: But I mean there's been a like that Arena Burk
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and how her killer got out like Uttle Larkie.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Shouldn't happen anyway.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: You all know how we feel about people not just
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: rotting in jail apparently.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: After best sentencing, it was announced that the provincial government
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: would commission a public inquiry into the safety and security
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: of residents in the long term care home system.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I would hope so good good, And I feel like they.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Pretty much forge had to do that. If they did that,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: then they didn't do anything.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: They looked like strict.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it should have already been in place properly.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Probably it took two years, but in twenty nineteen that
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: report was released. I'm not going to go into like
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of detail, but it was stated that we
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: cannot assume that because Beth is behind bars, that the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: threat to the safety and security of those receiving care
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: in the long term term care system has passed. Like,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: there's still threats, right, There's still could be other best
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: health And this is where I'm going. This is something
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: At the beginning, I was like, I didn't even realize
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: this was a thing, health care serial killing. Like healthcare
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: serial killing, I didn't even know that was a thing all.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Apparently it is.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Incidents are document documented and dated back to the early
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. Since nineteen seventy ninety, healthcare serial killers have
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: been convicted in the United States, Britain, Western European countries,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: and now because of or because of Beth, Canada, German. Okay,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: this blew my mind. German healthcare serial killer. I think
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: his name is Nils Hegel and this could be another
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: case that we do. Initially sentenced for murdering six patients,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: but as of twenty twenty, it was believed he claimed
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the life of three hundred victims over fifteen years. Damn.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Holy so it said.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Serial killing by healthcare providers is rare and the known
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: number of them is very small, but the number of
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: their victims is not small because they have all these
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: readily available.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Supply of weapons, everything, ways of hiding it. Damn. Oh
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: my god, people are fucked up. You think you're going
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: too the healthcare system to help people? Yeah, I never
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: want to go to a hospital again. Never.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I know. I was just like, that's crazy. I just
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: when when she said that it was like healthcare serial killers, Like,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit. I didn't even know that
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: was a frickin thing.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: That's fucked up.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, So back to the inquiry, there were ninety one
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: recommendations made, including to increase funding and staffing at the
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: province's nursing homes and improve how medication is stored and tracked.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Duh.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's just duh.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was heard many times that Beth would be
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the only nurse overseeing up to ninety nine patients and
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: that recruiting and retraining nurses at long term care facilities
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: was a constant battle.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get that short staff, your short staff.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: There's not much you could do about that.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: But I know after Beth confessed, the province's health minister
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: actually shut down Crescent Care to new patients, like while
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: it was being investigated in such and staff and made
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: admitted it was the first time in years that they
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: were actually able to give patients the care and attention
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that they needed.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, ah, I think.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: That's like probably a Canada or probably a.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: World worldwide thing.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: We're ald issue.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Ben was Ben, Ben did I do?
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: What did you do?
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Beth was awesome, That's what I did. Beth was also
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: charged with professional misconduct by a disciplinary panel with the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: College of Nurses of Ontario on July twenty fifth, twenty seventeen,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: even though she was already found guilty in criminal in
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: a criminal trial and had voluntary like surrendered right her
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: nursing license. The formal hearing was required, Bet declined to
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: participate in the hearing and was found guilty on court
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: on court documents from the criminal trial, as well as
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: her previous confession. Her conduct was deemed disgraceful and dishonorable
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: by the panel. Yeah, rightfully so and her nursing.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Just wait, where was it?
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, so she basically was unbarred, like she was
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: not able to practice nursing anymore.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Good she shouldn't.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: The chair of the five person panel that her best
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: case said it was one of the most brutal and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: disgraceful conduct the panel had ever considered.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I hope, I hope that's the most brutal case they
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: ever come across.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's just sickening.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: So that's that.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's your trash.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I know, it makes it just makes you sick that
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: it's just like these this was done in like care
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: homes with like elderly people that at that point in
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: your life, like you should just I mean it's not
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: easy and stuff, but like you shouldn't have to be
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: having to deal with this sort of stuff. Yeah, I mean,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't at any age. But it's like you earned
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: you earned it, You're in your time.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: And a hundred percent I agree. And I mean nowadays
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: we have medical assisted deaths as well, So I mean
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: there are people if they really do want to go,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: they will Yeah.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. That wouldn't have been a thing I.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Know, but nowadays, but if like Beth can fuck off
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. I know people need to to
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: their life will, their lives will run the course, and
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: if it's not, then it's not in Beth's hands or
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: anyone else's hands to decide. It's in their own hands. Yeah,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: nowadays with medical assisted death or I guess in God's
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: hands to take them away on his own time, if
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: there is one. I don't know.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: So here's to hoping that Beth stays in jail for
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: the long term.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe she discovers chocolate milk.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: There you go. Anyway, thanks for listening, and stay wicked.