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Tua to the Falcons, Malik Willis to Miami, Eagles vs Packers & NFL Storylines · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on? My people? How are
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Speaker 1: we doing? John middlecop three and out podcast, NFL Free
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Speaker 1: Agency Off and running deals galore, guys signing, guys leaving
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Speaker 1: Today was Today was more fun than I expected. I
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Speaker 1: thoroughly enjoyed it. Watching McAfee with Schefter in the morning.
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Speaker 1: I went out with Colin in the middle of the day.
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Speaker 1: You can check out that podcast, and I said, you
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Speaker 1: know what, let's just throw a bunch of my thoughts
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Speaker 1: in a notebook and let's just bang out some takes.
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Speaker 1: So that's what we will do today. From Malik Willis
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Speaker 1: to the Packers and the Eagles, losing a lot of
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Speaker 1: players to the Raiders, adding a lot of players to
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Speaker 1: the Bears, to just some big picture thoughts on individual teams,
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Speaker 1: Kelsey coming back, Mike Evans going to the forty nine ers.
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Speaker 1: I do want to start because I actually think this
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Speaker 1: is the coolest story of the year is Malik Willis,
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Speaker 1: And I also think it's kind of an inspiration to
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Speaker 1: I don't care what you do in life, right, I'll
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Speaker 1: promise you this when you're young. There is a small
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Speaker 1: percentage of people that like walk into a room when
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Speaker 1: they're young. I don't care if it's in the NFL,
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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's in Wall Street. I don't
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Speaker 1: care if you're selling insurance where everyone in the room
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Speaker 1: goes this guy's gonna be a star. Let's be real.
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Speaker 1: Most people do not believe in you when you're young.
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Speaker 1: No one, and I repeat no one should believe in
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Speaker 1: you more than yourself. But when you are in jobs
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Speaker 1: like Milik Willis public job, play quarterback, and you do
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Speaker 1: not play well, Everyone's gonna shit on you. It's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a universal take. I was guilty. I thought, based
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Speaker 1: on Tennessee, you know he's a raw product coming out
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Speaker 1: of college. I'm like, listen, I've heard great things about
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Speaker 1: the person. Seems like a very impressive dude. But he
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Speaker 1: couldn't play dead in the Western. And then I remember
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Speaker 1: when the Green Bay Packer traded for him last year.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a dumb move. I was like,
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Speaker 1: this is You're gonna make Malik Willis your backup quarterback,
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Speaker 1: and Matt laflorid Goodakin's immediately shut us all up because
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Speaker 1: Jordan Love got hurt Week one, and then immediately they
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Speaker 1: won a couple games with Malik Willison quarterback. Now granted
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Speaker 1: it was a run heavy operation, but still I thought
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Speaker 1: that was like one of Matt Lafleur's crowning achievements so
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Speaker 1: far as the head coach of his tenure at the
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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, Like you could win games with Malik Willis,
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Speaker 1: And then this year there was really no disputing it,
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Speaker 1: Like the guy could play. And I think the NFL,
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Speaker 1: like a lot of our businesses, right, this, This is
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Speaker 1: not the NBA, right, These guys that are genn get
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Speaker 1: drafted in this crop of Debonza, the dude of Kansas,
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Speaker 1: Boozer's kid like. These guys are gonna be viewed as
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Speaker 1: stars the moment they come into the league, not whether
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Speaker 1: they live up to the hype or not. Who knows,
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Speaker 1: But that's kind of way basketball works. Most of the
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Speaker 1: best players in my life in basketball were drafted extremely high.
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Speaker 1: Even a guy well, Steph Curry wasn't drafted one. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he was drafted seventh, you know, Michael Jordan was drafted third.
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Speaker 1: Magic Johnson was drafted one, you know, I mean, Shaquille
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Speaker 1: O'Neal drafted one. I think in this day and age,
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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant wouldn't have lasted till wherever he went twelve,
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Speaker 1: Right with with the internet and video like, most people
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Speaker 1: hadn't seen him play at Lower Marion, it's a little
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Speaker 1: harder to get taped back then. We're in football. We
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Speaker 1: see it all the time, and I'm not just talking
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Speaker 1: you know, position players, quarterbacks as well. No one would
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Speaker 1: have thought that Kirk Cousins would make three hundred million
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Speaker 1: dollars and be a decade long starter, not in a
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Speaker 1: million years. And I think a Malik Willis comp if
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Speaker 1: he just becomes a good player. Is Dak Prescott bit
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Speaker 1: Now he's got a bigger arm than Dak, but really mobile,
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Speaker 1: super smart, high level guy, just needed to improve. If
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Speaker 1: you watched Dak Prescott Atssissippi State, you would never have
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Speaker 1: thought he would go on to have a fifteen year
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Speaker 1: NFL career, and where we currently sit in two thousand
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Speaker 1: twenty six, he's one of the more consistent passers in
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Speaker 1: the league. Improvement over time, work ethic, practice, it's it's
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Speaker 1: really the only sport where practice. You practice way more
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Speaker 1: than you play. Even in the pros. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
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Speaker 1: all off season, all training camp, even Saturday is the
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Speaker 1: day before you're doing walkthroughs. Right. The whole point of
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Speaker 1: football is you are given the opportunity to improve. Great
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Speaker 1: players improve constantly because it's right in front of them
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Speaker 1: all you do the majority of it. You only play
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Speaker 1: seventeen games, yet all off season, all training camp, and
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Speaker 1: all season you're on the field every single day. You're
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Speaker 1: practicing live reps, even if you're not being tackled to
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Speaker 1: the ground. So if you're willing, which Malik Willis clearly
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Speaker 1: was to put in the work, to put in the
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Speaker 1: sweat equity mcafeel I was watching today is free agent frenzy,
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Speaker 1: which was extremely entertaining. Gets him on the phone. Where
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Speaker 1: was Milleik Willis on the grass? Just finish the throwing session.
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Speaker 1: If you are wired the right way in football, if
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Speaker 1: you have the mental and physical toughness, if you have
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Speaker 1: the desire to be a better player, it's easy to
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Speaker 1: throw auty. I want to be a great player, you
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Speaker 1: have the desire to just improve, try really hard. What
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Speaker 1: do we talk about yesterday with Max Crosby. His greatest
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Speaker 1: attribute is simply his effort. He literally plays harder than
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Speaker 1: everyone else in the league. That is a skill, right,
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Speaker 1: and that skill, the ability to play hard, is what
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Speaker 1: you have to work hard because your cardio has to
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Speaker 1: be at a super high level. Why could Steph Curry
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Speaker 1: for fifteen plus years run circles around everybody all game
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Speaker 1: long and not get tired because when we weren't watching
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Speaker 1: during the day during the offseason, his training regiment you
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Speaker 1: couldn't even argue had to be elite. Football is no different.
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Speaker 1: The difference though, is is unlike some of these other
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Speaker 1: sports you were spending a lot of times with your
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Speaker 1: coaching staff, and that's out of your control. We saw
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Speaker 1: Malik Willison Tennessee, which was at the end of the
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Speaker 1: verbul Ten year. It was just weird. Everything was off kilter.
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Speaker 1: And you need good coaches, you need a good scheme,
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Speaker 1: you need people that believe in you. And in football,
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Speaker 1: when people believe in you and then you're willing to
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Speaker 1: reciprocate it, good things can happen. Now, this is the
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Speaker 1: best case is Malik Willis just got almost fifty million
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Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed. Think about that. If I would have told
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Speaker 1: you a couple of years ago that a team would
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Speaker 1: give Malik Willis three years and seventy million dollars and
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Speaker 1: fifty million dollars guaranteed, I round it up a little bit,
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Speaker 1: you would have been like, you are out of your mind.
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Speaker 1: That's the most insane team in the history of sports.
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Speaker 1: And honestly, when that deal came up today, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense. And here's the other thing is,
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Speaker 1: specifically in football, you never know. You would never know
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Speaker 1: who's going to be around you. Your position coach within
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Speaker 1: a year could be the offensive coordinator somewhere else. Your
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator could immediately become head coaches.
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Speaker 1: The assistant GM that you see in the cafeteria, that
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Speaker 1: you see a practice could be running a franchise within
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Speaker 1: six months of the summer. That's how fast it flips.
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Speaker 1: Think about when Malik Willis got traded to the Green
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Speaker 1: Bay Packers. Jeff Haffley had just left college and became
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Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator. Two football seasons later,
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Speaker 1: he's the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: with the assistant GM of the Green Bay Packers. So
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Speaker 1: two guys that had a front row seat and Jeff
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Speaker 1: Haffley every single day at practice when Jordan Love was healthy,
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Speaker 1: Who do you think was servicing the defense? Who do
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Speaker 1: you think was playing scout team quarterback? This isn't college
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Speaker 1: or high school where you got a bunch of quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: out there. It's the backup quarterback. It's Malik Willis. Who
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Speaker 1: do you think was part of that trade and talking
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Speaker 1: about his development and just having a front row seat
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Speaker 1: every single day the general manager. And that's the thing
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Speaker 1: in football, Even if your team's average, your guy can
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Speaker 1: become a head coach. Let alone, if you're a good
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Speaker 1: team like the Green Bay Packers. You know, Joe DiMaggio
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Speaker 1: said this thing that the reason that he always played
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Speaker 1: hard because he never wanted a kid or someone in
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Speaker 1: the stands who might be the first time he's ever
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Speaker 1: seen him play to be disappointed in watching him. And
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Speaker 1: I think when you bring the mentality of like, every
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Speaker 1: single day, I'm trying to impress the people I'm around,
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Speaker 1: because as we see in the NFL, these guys constantly
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Speaker 1: get spread all over the league. All of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: the guy that was my quarterback coach three years later,
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Speaker 1: he's the head coach of the New York Jets. That's
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Speaker 1: how fast it flips. And Malik Willis took complete advantage
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Speaker 1: of that clearly on the field, from improving, doing everything
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Speaker 1: he could do get better. And then at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, like regardless of what you do, your
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Speaker 1: opportunity comes, you gotta come through, and sometimes you're ready
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Speaker 1: and sometimes you're not. And this year Malik Willis's opportunity
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Speaker 1: came through multiple times. One opportunity he got the chance
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Speaker 1: to start, so he got to prepare all week, did excellent,
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Speaker 1: But to me, the most impressive game that Malik Willis
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Speaker 1: has played in his career. Was this year against the
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Speaker 1: Bears when Jordan Love got kaoed and he had to
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Speaker 1: come in, and he was excellent. He was playing in
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Speaker 1: a cold environment, he was playing in a game that
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Speaker 1: was not game plan for him specifically, and I thought
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Speaker 1: he was I remember watching that game on my couch thinking,
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Speaker 1: this guy's good. Like, this guy's good. Now is it
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Speaker 1: gonna go well in Miami? Do I believe this guy's
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Speaker 1: gonna become some top ten quarterback? I do not, But
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Speaker 1: I have seen a guy who's constantly improved. I have
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Speaker 1: seen a guy who has gotten better at every step
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Speaker 1: of the way. When he finally got around credible people
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Speaker 1: in the Green Bay Packers, and then these guys get
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Speaker 1: their opportunity, they kick to it of the curb. Who
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Speaker 1: goes to the Falcons? I mean, does anyone like short,
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Speaker 1: left handed quarterbacks with below average arms like Kevin Stefanski?
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Speaker 1: I mean, what, what what are we doing? Like I'm
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Speaker 1: trying not to shoot on the falcons? Kevin Stefanski seems
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Speaker 1: like a nice guy. We'll see how it goes with
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Speaker 1: Ian Cunningham. But you signed to a tongue of iiloa
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Speaker 1: like that feels like the better version of Dylan Gabriel
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Speaker 1: and Tua. And I mean that as I guess a compliment,
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Speaker 1: But Dylan Gabriel to me is like a borderline UFL
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Speaker 1: player And to me too, uh, he starts for you consistently.
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Speaker 1: This year you're winning five or six games, and that
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Speaker 1: might be the case anyway. With Pennix, I'm out on
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Speaker 1: the Falcons, I really am. I know everyone thinks Stefanski
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Speaker 1: is like some Shanahan McVeigh, Lafleur, Kevin O'Connell level guy.
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily and clearly his evaluations when it comes
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Speaker 1: to quarterbacks are atrocious. I mean they just simply are.
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Speaker 1: So the Dolphins take a his historic, his historic just
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Speaker 1: dead cap hit in booting Tua. And I also think
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Speaker 1: the one thing we've seen with Tua and Kyler is
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Speaker 1: that you better be very careful with who you give
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Speaker 1: a big contract to. And I think the day and
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Speaker 1: age of seeing average guys get two hundred million dollars
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Speaker 1: is over because we just have two examples with you know,
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Speaker 1: two oh ninety nine million dollars in dead cap the
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Speaker 1: wherever Kyler ends up landing. The Arizona Cardinals are gonna
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Speaker 1: have to pay him thirty six thirty seven million dollars
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Speaker 1: this year. You just can't make those mistakes. It's one
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Speaker 1: thing if you sign a guy and then he's kind
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Speaker 1: of up and down, and you know, Jalen Hurts, right,
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Speaker 1: he's got to play better, Jordan Love, he's got to
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Speaker 1: play a little bit better. You know that. There's no
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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with saying you gotta play better. But
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Speaker 1: it's like when I want immediately out of your business
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Speaker 1: and I'm willing to take a fifty five million dollar
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Speaker 1: dead cap hit or a ninety nine million dollar dead
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Speaker 1: cap hit to just get away from you, that is
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Speaker 1: a sign that you signed one of the worst contracts
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Speaker 1: in the history of the league. And it's one thing
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Speaker 1: like when the Denver Broncos made the deal with Russell Wilson.
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Speaker 1: I supported it. I'm not going to act like I
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Speaker 1: was against it. I understood it. He was on a
13:26
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame trajectory. Some might say he's still a
13:29
Speaker 1: Hall of famer. I think it's kind of up for
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Speaker 1: debate how it ended. But he was one of the
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Speaker 1: best players of his era. This was a team that
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Speaker 1: was desperate, but he wasn't your guy. And a couple
13:38
Speaker 1: years later you have a new coach and it just
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Speaker 1: goes kind of haywire, right. But the Cardinals and the
13:45
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins had these guys in house, like they knew
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Speaker 1: how talented those guys were, that they knew their warts,
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Speaker 1: and they still signed the deals and it completely blew
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Speaker 1: up in their face. Two teams that have been Obviously,
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Speaker 1: the Eagles have been to a couple of Super Bowls
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Speaker 1: in the last four years. The Packers have been one
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Speaker 1: of the better franchises in all of American sports for
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Speaker 1: thirty plus years, have a lot of turnover, and looking
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Speaker 1: at the Eagles today, that lost Nakobe Dean, the lost
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Speaker 1: re Blankenship, I understand why they lost Jordan Phillips when
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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips signed with the Carolina Panthers, and to me,
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Speaker 1: nothing sums up free agency quite like that. And I
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Speaker 1: get the Panthers are a little desperate, they need more
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Speaker 1: help up front. Under no circumstances, even of how we
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Speaker 1: have the available cap space, I couldn't see him signing
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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips to four year whatever thirty million dollars a
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Speaker 1: year and given him eighty million dollars guaranteed that to
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Speaker 1: me of all the contracts today was like, damn. Now.
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Speaker 1: I went on with Colin the last couple of days.
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Speaker 1: We had a couple podcasts outs to go check that out.
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Speaker 1: I do have a philosophy when it comes to signing
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Speaker 1: guys that aren't gonna go to the Pro Bowl, right
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Speaker 1: or not gonna be probably all pros, You're gonna have
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Speaker 1: to overpay in free agency. That's part of the exercise. Right,
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Speaker 1: these guys are available, you got multiple people bidding on him.
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Speaker 1: It drives up the price. It's basic supply and demand,
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Speaker 1: Like this is a basic economic exercise. The reason these
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Speaker 1: contracts are bigger than they would be if someone had
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Speaker 1: just given this guy an extension a year ago on
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Speaker 1: the team is because you have people bidding for their services.
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Speaker 1: But once you pay that guy, like last year when
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Speaker 1: the Patriots gave Milton Williams a ton of money, it
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Speaker 1: seemed crazy. It's like you're gonna give a guy who
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Speaker 1: has never been a full time starter, even even the
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Speaker 1: year that the Eagles won the Super Bowl and he
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Speaker 1: had his breakout season, he was good, he didn't he
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Speaker 1: played like fifty percent of the snaps. But if you're
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Speaker 1: gonna quote unquote pay a premium overpay. He's got to
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Speaker 1: be a really good player for you. And what was
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Speaker 1: Milton Williams immediately for the UH Patriots. He was an
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Speaker 1: excellent player, plug and play, high end starter on a
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Speaker 1: team that won the AFC. You feel good about that.
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Speaker 1: Even if Jalen Phillips isn't Miles Garrett, isn't Max Crosby,
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Speaker 1: isn't Aiden Hutchinson, that's fine. Can he be a really
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Speaker 1: high end starter on a team that clearly has aspirations
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Speaker 1: on going back to the playoffs and winning nine or
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Speaker 1: ten games, then you feel good about it. In a
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Speaker 1: perfect world, would you like to give him eighteen million dollars? Sure,
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Speaker 1: But in the situation they're in, you gotta overpay. It
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Speaker 1: is what it is. But you get to a position
16:31
Speaker 1: when you're Howie, you have no choice even if you
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Speaker 1: want to retain his services, which clearly they do. Their
16:38
Speaker 1: edge rush was not great. They got the two defensive linemen. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: Jordan Davis is now under contract, and you know Jalen
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Speaker 1: Phillips or excuse me, Jalen Carter. It's just a tough situation,
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Speaker 1: like are you gonna be cool with giving him one
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed. I think the Eagles
16:57
Speaker 1: are a little uncomfortable doing that. I think it's safe
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Speaker 1: to say. But when you have those two defensive tackles,
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Speaker 1: if you have a couple good edges, your defensive line
17:04
Speaker 1: is going to be good. And Jalx Hunt is a
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Speaker 1: guy who's really come on. They need to keep Nolan
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Speaker 1: Smith on the field. But this is the first year
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Speaker 1: that Jalen Hurts. His cap hit isn't nothing. It's not
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Speaker 1: two or three percent of the cap. It's ten percent
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Speaker 1: of the cap and next year that only rises. And
17:22
Speaker 1: same thing with the Packers who lost a ton of guys. Today,
17:26
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people go, well, they're paying
17:28
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons forty five forty seven million dollars a year.
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Speaker 1: Micah Parson's cap hit is half as much in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six as Jordan Loves, which is twelve percent of
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Speaker 1: the cap, which isn't everything. It's not as high as
17:43
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayfield and Matt Stafford,
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Speaker 1: but it's still pretty substantial. And once you get in
17:51
Speaker 1: a position where you're paying your quarterback a lot of money,
17:54
Speaker 1: you have to make some other decisions around the margins.
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Speaker 1: And if you make a bad decision, as the Packers
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Speaker 1: did last year with Aaron Banks, they gave him way
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Speaker 1: too much money, and all of a sudden you kind
18:05
Speaker 1: of got up, Yeah, we can't pay Kaway Walker to
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Speaker 1: keep him around. We have to cut Jenkins, the offensive lineman.
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Speaker 1: We're probably we're not gonna re sign Romeo Dobs kind
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Speaker 1: of is what it is. As of recording this, they're not.
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Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe they end up doing that, but these
18:20
Speaker 1: are the type decisions you have to make. You know,
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Speaker 1: Reid gets a bunch of money from the Houston Texans NA,
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Speaker 1: Kobe Dean gets a bunch of money from the Raiders.
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Speaker 1: Obviously Jalen Phillips, which if you would have told me
18:32
Speaker 1: when the Eagles traded for Jalen Phillips that another team
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Speaker 1: would offer that contract in November, I would have been like,
18:40
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips is just playing out this season with the Eagles.
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Speaker 1: He's not gonna be around anymore because they weren't going
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Speaker 1: to no chance, It's not even an option. So this
18:49
Speaker 1: is part of doing business in the NFL. Is once
18:53
Speaker 1: you start paying a lot of guys money, even though
18:55
Speaker 1: you can manipulate the cap, which how he's probably the
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Speaker 1: best in the league in positions where you have to
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Speaker 1: make financial decisions and you have to let guys who
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Speaker 1: have been consistent winning players for your franchise, they get
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Speaker 1: to a number that you just literally can't match, even
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Speaker 1: if you like the player, even if you like the person.
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Speaker 1: And that's part of football, right, You gotta draft, develop,
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Speaker 1: you gotta replace. I mean, the Ravens did it for
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Speaker 1: twenty plus years. The Chiefs are about to attempt to
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Speaker 1: do that. Right. Let trade McDuffie, Let Jalen Watson go cook.
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Speaker 1: The safety as part of the league is you got
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19:52
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Speaker 1: That leads me into the Raiders, who I got to
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Speaker 1: bring up this tweet from Schefter that brought their additions today.
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Speaker 1: And I've said this forever back when I worked in
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Speaker 1: the Bay Area. I was adamant that moving to Vegas
22:26
Speaker 1: was crazy. It's clearly the best thing they ever did financially.
22:29
Speaker 1: Not only do they move to Vegas the financial windfall
22:32
Speaker 1: of the new stadium, but Mark Davis deserves credit for
22:36
Speaker 1: reaching out to these billionaire guys, getting them involved as
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Speaker 1: minority owners, and bringing in Tom Brady, who is clearly
22:42
Speaker 1: part of that package because they've given him an influx
22:46
Speaker 1: of cash. It doesn't mean just because you have money,
22:48
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. I mean last year, hiring Chip Kelly
22:52
Speaker 1: for three years eighteen million dollars is one of the
22:55
Speaker 1: most embarrassing hires in the history of the league. I mean,
22:57
Speaker 1: there have been countless articles you talk about a mail
22:59
Speaker 1: in job, but it does give you the resources to
23:02
Speaker 1: attempt to do stuff like that. And if that six
23:05
Speaker 1: million dollars could have been used on the right guy,
23:07
Speaker 1: they just got the wrong guy. And you can also
23:10
Speaker 1: take advantage of free agency because you can use signing bonuses.
23:14
Speaker 1: And one thing the Raiders have going for him, and
23:16
Speaker 1: this the Cowboys have going for him if they ever
23:18
Speaker 1: wanted to get aggressive and free agency is you know,
23:22
Speaker 1: the the the Florida teams like the no state income
23:24
Speaker 1: tax is a really big deal. It really is, and
23:27
Speaker 1: I don't think enough people in the media really dive
23:30
Speaker 1: deep enough into it. When you're talking at the units
23:33
Speaker 1: and the numbers that these guys are making. The difference
23:36
Speaker 1: of signing with a no state income tax and a
23:39
Speaker 1: place like Illinois, New York, California can be millions upon
23:44
Speaker 1: millions of net dollars in your bank account. So I
23:48
Speaker 1: know it makes some people uncomfortable, but this is real,
23:51
Speaker 1: big business. This is real money. So it's like, do
23:54
Speaker 1: you want to keep it or do you not want
23:56
Speaker 1: to keep it? And when you're a bad team, you
23:59
Speaker 1: got to quote unquote overpay sometimes. But when you have
24:03
Speaker 1: the capitol to buy guys, they're gonna be very interested
24:06
Speaker 1: because of the money they're gonna get to keep in
24:08
Speaker 1: their bank account. And we'll get the Linderbaum thing here
24:10
Speaker 1: in a second, because I think that's directly tied to Max.
24:14
Speaker 1: But they signed kway Walker. They signed to Kobe Dean,
24:17
Speaker 1: who was just like an A plus character guy and
24:20
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, is a good starter. Jalen Naylor. Every
24:24
Speaker 1: time I looked up for Minnesota, especially when Jordan Addison
24:27
Speaker 1: was injured or in trouble. Like you talk about a
24:30
Speaker 1: guy he ran a four or five at the combine,
24:32
Speaker 1: but I feel like the guy plays like four to three.
24:34
Speaker 1: He's averaged like fifteen plus yards of catch, He's had
24:37
Speaker 1: a bunch of touchdowns even though he hasn't been that
24:40
Speaker 1: productive in terms of reception. Standpoint, I like Jalen Jalen Naylor,
24:45
Speaker 1: Quitty Pay, Eric Stokes, Malcolm Kuz. They bought a bunch
24:49
Speaker 1: of guys on defense, right, and you lose Max. Their
24:52
Speaker 1: defense wasn't very good to begin with. You just buy
24:54
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys on defense and listen just to
24:57
Speaker 1: get your franchise going in the right right direction. Like
25:00
Speaker 1: do I think the Raiders is gonna win nine or
25:02
Speaker 1: ten games this year? I don't. But do I think
25:05
Speaker 1: that they can just be a credible football team when
25:07
Speaker 1: you turn on the television in October and November. I do?
25:11
Speaker 1: And I also think this allows them to use that
25:13
Speaker 1: fourteenth pick on offense. You can either take a sweet
25:16
Speaker 1: wide receiver, you can take a sweet offensive lineman. You
25:19
Speaker 1: don't have to like really think about a need. And
25:23
Speaker 1: to me, I would use that pick somewhere on offense,
25:26
Speaker 1: not on a defense, because I just think you get
25:30
Speaker 1: the opportunity the Oregon tight end. I don't not sure
25:34
Speaker 1: if there's a receiver worth the fourteenth overall pick definitely
25:37
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to be an offensive lineman worth the
25:39
Speaker 1: fourteenth overall pick. Then you get Mendoza, you get your center, which,
25:43
Speaker 1: let's face it, they gave Tyler Lindebaum a lot of money.
25:47
Speaker 1: He makes dramatically more than the next highest paid center.
25:52
Speaker 1: Don't mind overpaying a center which is going to touch
25:55
Speaker 1: my rookie quarterback every single play of his career Like
25:58
Speaker 1: that kind of mattered, maybe the total length of his career,
26:03
Speaker 1: but for the next several years, Lindenbaum is gonna be
26:07
Speaker 1: right there with Fernando Mendoza in the meetings, on the
26:10
Speaker 1: practice field every single day. They should be attached at
26:13
Speaker 1: the hip. And obviously he's played a huge had a
26:17
Speaker 1: huge impact on the Ravens with Lamar and the offense.
26:20
Speaker 1: And I also think that if you're a Raider fan,
26:22
Speaker 1: you look at it simply like us trading Max to
26:25
Speaker 1: the Ravens and the cap space which he takes. Lamar
26:29
Speaker 1: has the biggest cap hit as of right now. They
26:32
Speaker 1: could restructure his contract in the NFL in the NFL,
26:36
Speaker 1: for example, Jordan Love and Jalen Hurts are thirty one
26:40
Speaker 1: and thirty six million dollars, which is the biggest on
26:44
Speaker 1: both their teams. Hurts is ten percent of his cap.
26:47
Speaker 1: Love is twelve percent of his cap. Lamar Jackson is
26:51
Speaker 1: more than double Jordan Love. So you're talking about a
26:55
Speaker 1: guy in the high twenties his percentage of their salary cap.
26:59
Speaker 1: So part of Max Crosby to take up that space
27:03
Speaker 1: is Linderbaum is not even an option for them, because
27:08
Speaker 1: I'll get into it later this week when I'm sure
27:10
Speaker 1: we'll do a mail bag maybe in a couple days
27:12
Speaker 1: when things die down, is someone asked me, why didn't
27:16
Speaker 1: they transition tag the Center and just use that money
27:21
Speaker 1: to try to work out a deal, Because they don't
27:23
Speaker 1: have the cap space, they don't have the financial flexibility.
27:26
Speaker 1: And once you get Max, who ain't making five dollars
27:29
Speaker 1: a year, you got to make some tough decisions. And
27:33
Speaker 1: the Raiders were able to pounce on that because I
27:35
Speaker 1: think there were countless other teams interested, specifically the Washington
27:39
Speaker 1: Commanders when it came to Linderbaum's services, but the Raiders,
27:45
Speaker 1: and this is where like twenty years ago, they don't
27:47
Speaker 1: get them because they wouldn't have had the money to
27:49
Speaker 1: give just a historic deal. But now with these billionaires
27:52
Speaker 1: like cut the check, it means little to nothing to them,
27:56
Speaker 1: and I think it's a massive, massive move for them.
28:00
Speaker 1: I really do. It gives them credibility for their young
28:04
Speaker 1: quarterback because when you remove a guy like Max, which
28:07
Speaker 1: the Ravens are really gonna benefit from, being the heart
28:10
Speaker 1: and soul of your franchise, the work ethic, the team captain,
28:13
Speaker 1: it's hard to replace that. And this is not you know,
28:16
Speaker 1: no one in the NFL tanks and doesn't add veteran guys.
28:20
Speaker 1: That's not the way it works. You need people that
28:23
Speaker 1: know what they're doing to look up to, right or
28:27
Speaker 1: for your young guys to look up to. You don't
28:29
Speaker 1: remember Sam Hanky. When they did trust the process, they
28:32
Speaker 1: would have no veteran guys. So as they started drafting
28:35
Speaker 1: good players, they're good players, and they kept tanking like
28:38
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons and Embiid are just looking up to scrubs.
28:41
Speaker 1: It's like, that's not a good way to set the
28:43
Speaker 1: culture in your organization. You need guys who have won
28:48
Speaker 1: to be around. It's why I think listen the Chiefs
28:52
Speaker 1: were not comfortable with the contract that Trent McDuffie got,
28:56
Speaker 1: and they knew when they traded them what the numbers
28:59
Speaker 1: were not gonna give that money. And they have to
29:02
Speaker 1: make financial decisions they have. You know, Chris Jones makes
29:06
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Patrick Mahomes still makes a lot
29:07
Speaker 1: of money. Obviously, there's a couple offensive linemen make a
29:10
Speaker 1: lot of money. They just gave Kenneth Locker a lot
29:12
Speaker 1: of money, but they just couldn't do it. I think
29:18
Speaker 1: if you're a good team and you pay a guy
29:20
Speaker 1: like that, you better be very sure of the person.
29:24
Speaker 1: The Chiefs love the guy, which clearly the Rams do too,
29:27
Speaker 1: it's much easier to bring him into that locker room
29:30
Speaker 1: like we've been winning. He's like, oh yeah, I've been
29:32
Speaker 1: winning too. I got multiple Super Bowls and I've been
29:34
Speaker 1: to another. So like, oh yeah, and one of the
29:37
Speaker 1: Super Bowls we won Deebo Samuel and all those wide
29:40
Speaker 1: receivers for the forty nine ers. I shut him down.
29:43
Speaker 1: I locked him all down. I was fucking incredible. So
29:47
Speaker 1: you bringing a guy to your locker room who's gonna
29:49
Speaker 1: be making more than the majority basically everyone on your team,
29:52
Speaker 1: you better have some pelts on the wall. If you're
29:54
Speaker 1: a good team, if you're these teams like the Raiders,
29:59
Speaker 1: who's gonna be jealous of Tyler Lindenbaum's contract, Like no
30:02
Speaker 1: one has a leg to stand on right and no
30:05
Speaker 1: different Like, Okay, I bring Max and he's making a
30:07
Speaker 1: lot of money. Everyone in the Ravens organization will immediately
30:10
Speaker 1: respect Max. I got a text from a scout in
30:13
Speaker 1: there on their team that was like, just super fired up.
30:16
Speaker 1: Don't blame him. I would be too. But when you
30:18
Speaker 1: are a good team and you bring one of these
30:20
Speaker 1: guys on, like the Chiefs, you bring in a guy
30:23
Speaker 1: like Kenneth Walker, easy for him to get in the
30:25
Speaker 1: huddle with Kelsey and Mahomes going, I'm a champion too,
30:28
Speaker 1: We're ald champions. You're a champion. I'm a champion. I'm
30:31
Speaker 1: a winner. I know how to win. That really really matters.
30:36
Speaker 1: So and that's what makes it difficult. I think, why
30:40
Speaker 1: so many teams. You look at all these Packers guys
30:43
Speaker 1: getting signed, all these Eagles guys getting signed, because you
30:46
Speaker 1: feel like they know how to play in big games.
30:48
Speaker 1: They know what January football is like, they know what
30:52
Speaker 1: preparing to win a division is like they know what
30:54
Speaker 1: preparing for a playoff game is, Like they just that
30:58
Speaker 1: type credibility as a player when you're paying for it
31:01
Speaker 1: really really matters. So I think all these variables in
31:05
Speaker 1: free agency get factored in and like back to the
31:09
Speaker 1: Rams thing, I think it's easier to be like, listen,
31:11
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be way richer than the majority of
31:13
Speaker 1: there are players on defense. But it's like, what's Jared
31:15
Speaker 1: Vere's gonna say? Like, Hey, Jared, a couple time All
31:18
Speaker 1: Pro and I've won rinks. You want to win a ring.
31:21
Speaker 1: I can help you win a ring because I know
31:23
Speaker 1: what it takes. I've been in a defensive meeting room
31:25
Speaker 1: that for three straight years we were playing in the
31:27
Speaker 1: super Bowl. So I think you got to be careful
31:31
Speaker 1: about making those decisions, which has happened the history of
31:34
Speaker 1: the league. You know, bad teams they signed like Albert
31:36
Speaker 1: Haynesworth to a historic deal. It's like that ain't gonna work,
31:40
Speaker 1: you know, and it never does. So I think speaking
31:43
Speaker 1: of legendary players, I haven't talked to anyone on the
31:47
Speaker 1: Chiefs about this, and I have. Kelsey's one of the
31:50
Speaker 1: best players I've ever seen. He's everything you want in
31:54
Speaker 1: the prime of his career as a guy to go
31:56
Speaker 1: to battle with. He came up with huge places. He
32:00
Speaker 1: was so talented, His rapport with the quarterback was elite.
32:04
Speaker 1: His ability to work with the coaching staff and Andy
32:06
Speaker 1: like it was one of the most special things we've
32:09
Speaker 1: ever seen. But last year, like a lot of players
32:12
Speaker 1: in the history of the league, kind of looked like
32:15
Speaker 1: he was trending in the wrong direction, looked like his
32:17
Speaker 1: arrow was pointing down. And I think sometimes, you know,
32:20
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh made this famous and then Belichick copied him.
32:23
Speaker 1: A lot of other guys do the same. Andy's made
32:25
Speaker 1: a career of doing this. Is sometimes you just let
32:29
Speaker 1: a guy go a year early before you get burned
32:31
Speaker 1: a year late. And you could argue it was a
32:33
Speaker 1: couple of years ago the Chiefs could have kind of pivoted.
32:36
Speaker 1: Now it's hard when you're winning Super Bowls. But last
32:38
Speaker 1: year he saw science, and I thought that the Chiefs
32:42
Speaker 1: would go in another direction. The thing I underestimated is
32:45
Speaker 1: clearly they have a connection. They have a belief in
32:47
Speaker 1: this guy. They want this guy around, and there's a
32:50
Speaker 1: value in which he brings in the locker room that
32:53
Speaker 1: I can't quantify. Because I'll be honest, if you would
32:56
Speaker 1: ask me what would you do, I would have said
32:58
Speaker 1: it just would have been one of those sits where
33:00
Speaker 1: I'm not offering another contract. Now, it's easy for me
33:03
Speaker 1: to say sitting in my office talking on a podcast,
33:06
Speaker 1: Coach Reid might say, well, it's like, it's not like
33:09
Speaker 1: our receivers are, you know, beating down the door. He
33:12
Speaker 1: still is a valuable player. Yeah, he had some bad
33:15
Speaker 1: drops last year, but we don't think that's necessarily because
33:18
Speaker 1: he can't catch anymore. And we're giving him a twelve
33:20
Speaker 1: million dollar contract. We're not giving him two years thirty
33:23
Speaker 1: million dollars. But yeah, I mean, we're hoping we can
33:26
Speaker 1: get a little bit more out of him and his
33:30
Speaker 1: practice habits and what he brings the table Monday through
33:34
Speaker 1: Saturday when none of you guys are watching still matters,
33:37
Speaker 1: because that's the only way I think you could justify
33:39
Speaker 1: bringing him back. And listen, there is an intangible connection
33:46
Speaker 1: just of he's one of the best players in the
33:48
Speaker 1: history of the franchise. His number is going to be retired,
33:52
Speaker 1: He's going to get a statue outside of our organization.
33:55
Speaker 1: He really really matters for the city, for this team,
33:59
Speaker 1: I just think to be careful doing business like that.
34:02
Speaker 1: But maybe he, like Mahomes, is just a pretty unique
34:05
Speaker 1: player that it's hard to just quantify by a number
34:10
Speaker 1: on the salary cap sheet, right because Mike Evans, I
34:15
Speaker 1: look today, Baker Mayfield has one of the biggest cap
34:19
Speaker 1: hits in the league. Okay, if we go to because
34:21
Speaker 1: Mike Evans joined the forty nine ers, and if you
34:24
Speaker 1: go to the internet and you look at the cap
34:27
Speaker 1: hits for quarterbacks. I didn't quite realize this. I looked
34:31
Speaker 1: at it before today. Of obviously, Lamar, which we talked about,
34:35
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest. Jared Goffs is massive, Josh
34:37
Speaker 1: Allen are the top three. TUA, which is an epic disaster,
34:41
Speaker 1: is fourth. Do you know who's fifth in terms of
34:44
Speaker 1: biggest cap hit in the league is Baker Mayfield at
34:48
Speaker 1: fifty two point basically fifty three million dollars, which is
34:53
Speaker 1: a huge number and almost seventeen and a half percent
34:56
Speaker 1: of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers salary cap. Now, they made
34:59
Speaker 1: a couple of little moves to day. They signed Angeloni.
35:01
Speaker 1: I think Kenneth Gainwell, he was a really good player.
35:05
Speaker 1: I mean, I like both those two signings, but they
35:07
Speaker 1: were I don't want to say on the margins, but
35:09
Speaker 1: they weren't that expensive. But like Kelsey, I would say
35:12
Speaker 1: that Mike Evans holds a unique place in the history
35:17
Speaker 1: of Tampa Bay. Right when you think of the most
35:20
Speaker 1: famous Tampa Bay Buccaneers, you clearly think of the late nineties,
35:24
Speaker 1: early two thousands, Lynch, Rendez, Barber, Warren Sapp, Derek Brooks,
35:29
Speaker 1: that group. Then I think, you know Tom was a
35:32
Speaker 1: higher gun. But to me, the most famous player post
35:36
Speaker 1: that group is easily Mike Evans, who was gonna go
35:39
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame, who was Jason Light's first
35:41
Speaker 1: draft pick, who I think I saw Tod A. Schreger
35:44
Speaker 1: say that their families are friends, they have a special connection.
35:49
Speaker 1: But you get to a point. The forty nine ers
35:51
Speaker 1: offered the guy like three years, sixty plus million dollars
35:53
Speaker 1: and I'm sure a lot of guaranteed money. It's like,
35:56
Speaker 1: we can't go to that number, and he's gonna be
35:59
Speaker 1: thirty three thish. You're in the fall. And this is
36:01
Speaker 1: where I kind of thought that the Chiefs would do
36:05
Speaker 1: with Kelsey. Now it's different because Kelsey won more Super Bowls.
36:09
Speaker 1: They've bend to more Super Bowls. I just think Travis
36:11
Speaker 1: is a more historic figure for the league. Slash the
36:16
Speaker 1: popularity element of you know, the Taylor connection. It's just
36:20
Speaker 1: it's a unique thing going. But Mike, when it came
36:23
Speaker 1: to Tampa, I thought was kind of similar. But you
36:26
Speaker 1: get to the point where you kind of got to
36:28
Speaker 1: make a tough decision and we would love to keep you,
36:31
Speaker 1: but we got a number and we just can't match
36:33
Speaker 1: the number that you're being given. And one thing that
36:36
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers really really value is smart tough players.
36:42
Speaker 1: I mean, when you think about the best players on
36:44
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers are smart and tough. Fred Warner,
36:47
Speaker 1: George Kittle, Nick Bosa, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey. Like they
36:51
Speaker 1: Mike Evans fits the mold of their crew. The only
36:55
Speaker 1: thing that makes me nervous because I can't quibble with
36:58
Speaker 1: he got banged up this year when he ocus collar bone,
37:01
Speaker 1: but the previous two years with Baker Mayfield, Mike Evans
37:04
Speaker 1: accounted for twenty four touchdowns. Mike Evans is a fucking
37:08
Speaker 1: monster when he's on the field. Now we'll have to
37:10
Speaker 1: see who the other wide receivers are for the forty
37:12
Speaker 1: nine ers. But if Pierce All can stay healthy, big
37:15
Speaker 1: question mark with Kittle coming back from this injury, you know,
37:18
Speaker 1: we think they're gonna figure something out with Trent. You
37:20
Speaker 1: got Purdy, you know, you got Christian McCaffrey. Probably gotta
37:23
Speaker 1: add another running back, maybe dra Greenlaw who just got
37:26
Speaker 1: cut comes back. This is gonna be a team that
37:30
Speaker 1: is going to have a bunch of high end guys
37:32
Speaker 1: like they did last year, but gonna be older, right, Kittle, McCaffrey,
37:38
Speaker 1: Fred Like, these guys got a lot of tread on
37:39
Speaker 1: the tires. Mike Evans got a lot of tread on
37:41
Speaker 1: the tires. But I get it, like I got no
37:44
Speaker 1: problem overpaying Mike Evans a little bit, you know, relative
37:48
Speaker 1: to what they like, what they need. Gives them a
37:51
Speaker 1: red zone target. I mean, that's been one problem for them.
37:53
Speaker 1: It's why Juwan Jennings has excelled. You know, a couple
37:56
Speaker 1: of years ago there are two wide receivers were Debo
37:59
Speaker 1: and not big guys. Right, So Juwan Jennings and George
38:03
Speaker 1: give them their listen brock Purty six foot one. Sometimes
38:07
Speaker 1: you just kind of I can't really see I need
38:08
Speaker 1: to throw up a fifty to fifty ball in the
38:10
Speaker 1: red zone. And that's what Mike Evans excels at. Throw
38:13
Speaker 1: him a jump ball corner of the end zone and
38:15
Speaker 1: let the dude play hoops. What a career, What a career.
38:19
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the history of Mike Evans right now.
38:23
Speaker 1: Career earnings, what would you guess? My guess would have
38:28
Speaker 1: been probably one hundred and ten million dollars, one hundred
38:32
Speaker 1: and thirty million dollars, and that doesn't count the forty
38:34
Speaker 1: nine ers contract. So when it's all said and done,
38:37
Speaker 1: Mike Evans is probably gonna make one hundred and seventy
38:39
Speaker 1: five million dollars. I said it the other day with
38:42
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. There has never been a better time and
38:46
Speaker 1: it's only gonna get better. To be a good football
38:48
Speaker 1: player and now college Like you, you're a good football playing
38:51
Speaker 1: in college, you get seven figures and then you come
38:53
Speaker 1: to the NFL. If you can have a long career,
38:56
Speaker 1: you were gonna at minimum make a one hundred plus
38:58
Speaker 1: million dollars. And if you play wide receiver, if you
39:01
Speaker 1: play defensive end, if you play tackle, if you obviously quarterback,
39:04
Speaker 1: if you play corner, you're gonna make several hundred million
39:08
Speaker 1: dollars For a long time, it was like, you know,
39:10
Speaker 1: kids play baseball, Like that's easy to say when you're
39:14
Speaker 1: on a you know, I saw a headline, Will Kyler
39:17
Speaker 1: Murray go back to baseball? You guys understand that baseball,
39:21
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't just go to the big leagues. You
39:23
Speaker 1: think Kyler Murray being paid thirty six million dollars by
39:26
Speaker 1: the Cardinals is gonna ride a fucking bus in New
39:29
Speaker 1: Mexico and random cities in Arizona and Texas in the South.
39:35
Speaker 1: Are you out of your gord? Are you out of
39:37
Speaker 1: your mind? Like? No chance? And I just think that
39:45
Speaker 1: great time business is booming the Steelers. One main question
39:56
Speaker 1: I have for the Steelers is who's gonna play quarterback?
40:00
Speaker 1: Is who's gonna play quarterback? Right there? I think Mike McCarthy.
40:04
Speaker 1: The branding on Mike McCarthy is there has never been
40:09
Speaker 1: a more accomplished and consistently good at his job individual
40:14
Speaker 1: whose brand acts like he's a scrub, who acts like
40:17
Speaker 1: he's not any good because his resume is Mike Tomlin
40:21
Speaker 1: and John Harbaugh. Yet John harbaughd just got a hundred
40:24
Speaker 1: million dollars. Mike Tomlin will take a sabbatical doing who
40:28
Speaker 1: knows what this year traveling, probably do some TV and
40:31
Speaker 1: will get one hundred million dollars next year. Yet Mike
40:34
Speaker 1: Tomlin gets hired by the Pittsburgh Steelers and people fall
40:37
Speaker 1: out of their chair laughing at the Steelers. It's like, listen,
40:40
Speaker 1: guys might not be the sexiest higher And I do
40:43
Speaker 1: think it has to do like his weight, right Harbaugh.
40:46
Speaker 1: You look at John harbaughd down. I saw him at
40:48
Speaker 1: the combine. He looks fantastic. I mean he looks like
40:50
Speaker 1: he's got like seven eight percent body fat. There's a
40:53
Speaker 1: coolness factor with with Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin ain't exactly
40:57
Speaker 1: you know on gop ones Like he's not the skin
41:00
Speaker 1: his cat at this point. Maybe he will be when
41:02
Speaker 1: he goes away. I think the thing with McCarthy is
41:05
Speaker 1: he goes away like he takes a year off and
41:07
Speaker 1: he gets bigger, and then everyone just makes fun of
41:09
Speaker 1: him like that's just that jolly fat, shitty coach. It's like, no, guys, actually,
41:14
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, the Cowboys three or eight
41:15
Speaker 1: years twelve wins won the division twice. If you want
41:19
Speaker 1: to quibble with his playoffs success, okay has he underachieved
41:22
Speaker 1: with the Packers and the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs.
41:25
Speaker 1: No disputing that he's lost as a favorite multiple times.
41:29
Speaker 1: With the Cowboys. The year two when they were playing
41:31
Speaker 1: the Niners on the road, he should have won. Listen,
41:35
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's defensive performance that game was atrocious. Dak shit
41:38
Speaker 1: to bed the other two games. Some of the Green
41:40
Speaker 1: Bay games we could be critical of for sure, especially
41:43
Speaker 1: the Seattle championship game. But like Mike McCarthy is, let's
41:48
Speaker 1: not act like he's Pat Shermer Joe Judge here, and
41:52
Speaker 1: they made an emphasis today to get offense. Rico Daudell
41:55
Speaker 1: is a good player. Like I didn't understand why they
41:58
Speaker 1: didn't give it the ball to Eco Dawdle. More so
42:02
Speaker 1: that the running back position. I liked the Iowa running
42:06
Speaker 1: back last year. They draft him the third round. It
42:07
Speaker 1: was a disaster. He had the one play whereas the
42:11
Speaker 1: kickoff returner bounced off him and then he like basically
42:14
Speaker 1: never played the rest of the year. That that pick
42:16
Speaker 1: looks like it might just you never want to just
42:19
Speaker 1: overreact to a rookie season. But I don't think a
42:22
Speaker 1: rookie season could have gone worse. But here's the other
42:25
Speaker 1: thing ID say about Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy was there
42:27
Speaker 1: Devonte Adams rookie year. You might want to google that
42:29
Speaker 1: one and or google Davonte talking about it. Did not
42:33
Speaker 1: go well, and within a couple of years Davante was
42:35
Speaker 1: one of the best wide receivers in the league. So
42:37
Speaker 1: part of his ability is to coach guys up, is
42:40
Speaker 1: to help change guys career guys who were playing crappy,
42:43
Speaker 1: make them good players. He is a really, really good
42:46
Speaker 1: offensive coach. See, you had Michael Pittman, who it's kind
42:51
Speaker 1: of I don't want to say falling off a cliff,
42:53
Speaker 1: but a couple of years ago, Michael Pittman was one
42:55
Speaker 1: of my favorite players in the league. I mean, it
42:57
Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago. He got one hundred and nine
42:59
Speaker 1: balls in the seat and then last year banged up,
43:04
Speaker 1: you had Tyler Warren. Their offense changes. Pierce really excels
43:08
Speaker 1: and he kind of gets lost in the shuffle. Has
43:10
Speaker 1: some Dj Moore vibes. So you could argue with Michael
43:13
Speaker 1: Pittman and Dj Moore, we're kind of buying low. Everyone's
43:16
Speaker 1: out on them, but it's kind of because their market
43:19
Speaker 1: value is we could revitalize it pretty quickly. They're actually
43:24
Speaker 1: a stock that's undervalued. And if Michael Pittman's healthy, like
43:28
Speaker 1: he's a player that's going to translate to Cold Weather
43:31
Speaker 1: to that division. He's a tough, high character, just physical
43:35
Speaker 1: guy to go over the middle. That kind of compliments DK,
43:38
Speaker 1: who is like a Ferrari right. And you get Dabdell
43:42
Speaker 1: in there, and you get McCarthy. But the question mark
43:45
Speaker 1: is simply even if Rogers comes back, I mean last year,
43:49
Speaker 1: you know, forty two years old, he's got a torn achilles,
43:51
Speaker 1: he's got a broken hand. It's like, can his body
43:54
Speaker 1: last in this NFL? Now, I don't know what their
43:58
Speaker 1: other options are. They don't really have.
44:00
Speaker 2: Uh.
44:01
Speaker 1: They drafted I always get Will Howard and Riley Leonard
44:05
Speaker 1: mixed up. They got one of those two guys. I
44:07
Speaker 1: think they have. Riley Leonard's on the Colts, Will Howard's
44:11
Speaker 1: on the on the Steelers. So listen, I don't think
44:15
Speaker 1: you bank on one of those guys. Could they draft
44:18
Speaker 1: like a nuss Meyer type in the second or third round.
44:21
Speaker 1: I definitely think they could, but maybe they are still
44:24
Speaker 1: And again I'm recording this around dinner time on Monday,
44:28
Speaker 1: because I held out for as long as I could
44:30
Speaker 1: for the podcast tomorrow. Could they be in the Kyler sweepstakes?
44:34
Speaker 1: Have a hard time seeing mcarthy. I mean when we
44:36
Speaker 1: think about the guys, McCarthy's coach recently, and like, honestly,
44:40
Speaker 1: post Rogers was obviously Dak Prescott. He won some games
44:43
Speaker 1: with Cooper Rush right, So to me, guys like would cousins.
44:49
Speaker 1: To me, cousins can't move in the cold weather. Don't
44:52
Speaker 1: love that. They don't really have any options. It's no
44:54
Speaker 1: one's fault. But I do wonder if they just draft
44:59
Speaker 1: a guy. But we saw Rooney talk like this is
45:02
Speaker 1: a team that never plans on just like we'll be
45:05
Speaker 1: cool with winning six games one year and having like
45:07
Speaker 1: the seventh overall pick. That's not how this franchise thinks.
45:10
Speaker 1: It's not how they're wired. It starts at the top
45:13
Speaker 1: that they That's why they hired Mike McCarthy and not
45:15
Speaker 1: some random younger coordinator, up and coming guy, because they
45:19
Speaker 1: want to win nine or ten games this year. And
45:21
Speaker 1: if you told me they just had a capable quarterback,
45:24
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, they could win nine or ten
45:27
Speaker 1: games this year. One rumor again, internet rumor. Uh K,
45:31
Speaker 1: I'm not schefter here, but love a good internet rumor
45:34
Speaker 1: is they were sniffing around on Tyson bageit the Bears
45:39
Speaker 1: backup quarterback from like Division seven, which I do think
45:43
Speaker 1: the Bear assigned case Keenam today is a backup quarterback.
45:46
Speaker 1: And it's not like they got him for eight hundred grand.
45:48
Speaker 1: I mean, they gave him a couple of year contract,
45:50
Speaker 1: like five or six million dollars. So maybe they are, hey, listen,
45:55
Speaker 1: they really want a second round pick for Tyson. Maybe
45:57
Speaker 1: they end up giving to like, hey, give us like
45:59
Speaker 1: a third five. I definitely think that the Steelers are
46:04
Speaker 1: gonna have to do something because what they have. Even
46:07
Speaker 1: the Rogers thing, there's no guarantee that Rogers can stay
46:09
Speaker 1: healthy at this age. There's no guarantee that he's gonna
46:12
Speaker 1: give them a yes or no anytime soon. He's kind
46:15
Speaker 1: of beaten to his own drum. Him and his wife,
46:18
Speaker 1: who is the most mysterious wife in the history of wife.
46:21
Speaker 1: I mean, I could, if you're listening to this right now,
46:25
Speaker 1: I can find you on Instagram and know more about
46:27
Speaker 1: your family in two seconds than I can about Rogers' wife.
46:31
Speaker 1: But he is wearing that ring, So I'm glad he's
46:34
Speaker 1: happy and happy wife, happy life. So yeah, Tyson badget
46:40
Speaker 1: to the Steelers. That'd be kind of fun. The Bears
46:44
Speaker 1: signed Kobe Bryant, who I saw a bunch of the
46:48
Speaker 1: former Seattle guys tweeting like you got a stud. I
46:52
Speaker 1: didn't quite realize just how productive this guy's been the
46:54
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Multiple time starter now for Mike
46:58
Speaker 1: McDonald since he got there. Seven picks, I think, seven
47:01
Speaker 1: force fumbles, a bunch of PBUs just a smart, really
47:05
Speaker 1: really good player. And you know, the Bears signed Devin Bush,
47:09
Speaker 1: they signed a defensive lineman that they signed some defensive
47:12
Speaker 1: guys because I think you can plug hole holes with
47:16
Speaker 1: veteran defensive players and at least just get bodies of
47:19
Speaker 1: people that know what they're doing. But one thing that
47:23
Speaker 1: I googled him, like where did Bryant go to college?
47:25
Speaker 1: He went to Cincinnati and he played on a team
47:29
Speaker 1: with Alec Pierce, with Sauce Gardner. So between the three
47:34
Speaker 1: of them, Pierce got well over one hundred million dollars today.
47:38
Speaker 1: Sauce got a massive contract a couple of years ago.
47:40
Speaker 1: Bryan got like forty forty five million dollars today. I
47:43
Speaker 1: mean that's two hundred and fifty million dollars worth of
47:45
Speaker 1: player on a non Power five program. That there's a
47:48
Speaker 1: reason that team was now they they played Bam in
47:52
Speaker 1: a bowl game and got their ass kick, but was
47:54
Speaker 1: like competing to run the table. The reason Luke Fickle
47:58
Speaker 1: got the Wisconsin it was getting off for jobs left
48:01
Speaker 1: and right because they had elite NFL talent on their roster.
48:05
Speaker 1: I mean that I didn't quite realize. I'll be honest,
48:10
Speaker 1: I didn't know that much about Alec Pierce till the
48:12
Speaker 1: last couple of years till he and definitely this year,
48:14
Speaker 1: I did not know that Kobe Bryant played for Cincinnati.
48:17
Speaker 1: Maybe it was just wasn't as dialed into their roster
48:21
Speaker 1: to me. Sauce was clearly their most famous player in
48:23
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter. But that is that's a good job whoever,
48:28
Speaker 1: you know, building a non Power four team. But that
48:31
Speaker 1: type of stuff that we talk about all the time
48:33
Speaker 1: is the ability to build the team that's gonna have
48:36
Speaker 1: a bunch of NFL talent on is basically impossible now
48:40
Speaker 1: at programs like that. Now Cincinnati technically is a Big
48:43
Speaker 1: twelve program now, but Cincinnati is not keeping guy. If Alabama,
48:48
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Texas, Oregon want Alec Pierce, want Sauce Gardner, listen,
48:53
Speaker 1: I ash Gent is the last of a dying breed.
48:56
Speaker 1: Right he was offered seven figures. Most people thought it
48:59
Speaker 1: was like ten to be the running back a couple
49:02
Speaker 1: of years ago, and he denied him and he was
49:04
Speaker 1: like loyalty. These guys stood by me, and I think
49:07
Speaker 1: the most boys he could pay him was like three
49:09
Speaker 1: hundred grand nil. Those days are just sadly and as
49:13
Speaker 1: someone that loves college football and someone that loves like
49:16
Speaker 1: I got my start at Fresno State, but these program
49:19
Speaker 1: when I was at Fresno State, we would have had
49:22
Speaker 1: multiple guys making seven figures. I mean, Derek Carr would
49:24
Speaker 1: have got a substantial amount of money. Ryan Matthews would
49:28
Speaker 1: have got a huge contract from one of the big programs.
49:31
Speaker 1: We had a ton of wide receivers and corners and
49:35
Speaker 1: offensive linemen, all these guys. I mean, we would have
49:37
Speaker 1: lost ten guys a year. So I props Cincinnati, no wonder,
49:41
Speaker 1: they were really good. And props of the Bears, who
49:44
Speaker 1: I think when you look at it, that division, which
49:50
Speaker 1: I thought last year coming in was stacked, it's got
49:53
Speaker 1: question marks. I mean, the Green Bay Packers have lost
49:56
Speaker 1: a lot of core guys. Now you can say they
49:59
Speaker 1: were trending in the right in the wrong way, you
50:02
Speaker 1: could say that they're no longer good players relative to
50:05
Speaker 1: what they were. Totally understandable, but you still got to
50:07
Speaker 1: replace those guys. Like someone has to replace Kwaywalk, someone
50:11
Speaker 1: has to replace for Sean Geary, right, someone has to
50:14
Speaker 1: replace that guy. And I think anytime you're in a
50:18
Speaker 1: position with a lot of new guys, even at a
50:20
Speaker 1: franchise that is great at drafting and developing and figuring
50:25
Speaker 1: things out, it is a challenge. Minnesota, like, I just
50:31
Speaker 1: their quarterback situation I can't take seriously. And the Lions,
50:36
Speaker 1: like they're just just some question marks, right. I mean
50:40
Speaker 1: they're very top heavy. They got some new offensive coordinator.
50:43
Speaker 1: Can that revitalize them a little bit. But I think
50:45
Speaker 1: the Bears are in a really, really good position. I
50:49
Speaker 1: mentioned this to Coward. If Caleb Williams can just improve
50:53
Speaker 1: five to seven percent, just some of those basic routes
50:57
Speaker 1: that he was overthrowing, he hits, you know, that out
51:02
Speaker 1: route on second and seven, just would put them in
51:04
Speaker 1: first and ten instead of being in third and seven
51:06
Speaker 1: he hits that you know, that wheel route in which
51:09
Speaker 1: he airmails or skips, he hits MNNDAI in stride. If
51:15
Speaker 1: he can do some of that, he doesn't need to
51:17
Speaker 1: be Drew Brees or Steve Young from an accuracy standpoint,
51:21
Speaker 1: but if he can just be more consistently accurate on
51:23
Speaker 1: the basic shit, I to me that I like them
51:27
Speaker 1: to win the division because the Packers have a lot
51:30
Speaker 1: of question marks. I mean, the best player on their
51:31
Speaker 1: team is coming off an ACL injury. Right to me,
51:35
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, I'm sorry your quarterback positions JJ McCarthy
51:39
Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray or whoever like, I'm out. And the Lions,
51:42
Speaker 1: who I'm not selling all my stock. I'm still a stockholder.
51:46
Speaker 1: There are just some question marks to be answered if
51:48
Speaker 1: they're gonna get back to win twelve plus games a year.
51:51
Speaker 1: I'm still a believer in Dan Campbell and I really
51:53
Speaker 1: like their high end talent, but their offensive line definitely
51:57
Speaker 1: needs to improve. And yeah, and defensively, can they keep
52:01
Speaker 1: core guys healthy because every single years they drop like flies.
52:05
Speaker 1: I would say the same thing for the NFC East.
52:07
Speaker 1: You know, this Eagles team is just going to be
52:09
Speaker 1: a lot different than it has been in years past.
52:13
Speaker 1: They lost some core guys today, they got some major
52:15
Speaker 1: question marks internally with some key guys. What happens with
52:18
Speaker 1: aj Brown? And you look at the Cowboys, like defensively,
52:23
Speaker 1: you add Gary to go with Quinn Williams, you got
52:25
Speaker 1: multiple first round picks. If you can keep proving the defense,
52:28
Speaker 1: you know, the offense is good, like they could just
52:31
Speaker 1: be a credible team next year. And the New York
52:34
Speaker 1: Giants clearly are going to be dramatically better than what
52:39
Speaker 1: they've been. Now are they going to be as good
52:40
Speaker 1: as everyone thinks? I don't know about that because their
52:44
Speaker 1: quarterback's gonna have to prove that he can play the
52:46
Speaker 1: whole season. And Matt Naggie's call him plays, you know,
52:52
Speaker 1: solely He's called some plays with Andy, but the offense
52:55
Speaker 1: is now his baby for the first time since Chicago Bears.
52:58
Speaker 1: So can Naggie throw as an offensive coordinator? I'm believing him.
53:02
Speaker 1: Love the guy and could Jackson darts day on the field,
53:05
Speaker 1: But they are going to be Their defense gonna be
53:07
Speaker 1: dramatically better. They paid a punter to day, Well, why
53:10
Speaker 1: do you think they did that? They're gonna try to
53:12
Speaker 1: play some Baltimore Ravens smash mouthfucking football. But if your
53:16
Speaker 1: quarterback can't stay on the field and they're gonna have
53:19
Speaker 1: to balance, Like you know, they were running like quarterback
53:22
Speaker 1: power constantly last year with him, which he's actually pretty
53:24
Speaker 1: good at because he's an underrated athlete. But you know,
53:27
Speaker 1: you get Scataboo back, maybe you draft another run I
53:30
Speaker 1: guess they got multiple running backs. You get Malik Neighbors back,
53:33
Speaker 1: you ad Isaiah likely Their offense is pretty interesting. The
53:36
Speaker 1: Commander A is still a lot of question marks. I mean,
53:38
Speaker 1: they paid tons all the day their quarterback, who was
53:42
Speaker 1: one of the great rookie seasons we've ever seen. Health
53:45
Speaker 1: That to me is the number one thing. Their team
53:48
Speaker 1: was really old last year. I just got some question
53:51
Speaker 1: marks there. They obviously got new coordinators on both sides
53:55
Speaker 1: of the ball, but that division, to me, is just
53:57
Speaker 1: more interesting than coming in the year. Was like Eagles
54:00
Speaker 1: are gonna win it. Like there wasn't a bigger lock.
54:04
Speaker 1: To me, I'd say them and the Bills. I thought
54:07
Speaker 1: the Bills were locked, which obviously they weren't, but I
54:10
Speaker 1: thought the Eagles were probably the biggest lock in the
54:13
Speaker 1: entire league. Because you just looked around, You're like the
54:16
Speaker 1: Commander's roster. I know they had a great season, just
54:18
Speaker 1: isn't good enough. The Cowboys, once they traded Micah Parsons,
54:21
Speaker 1: their defense was gonna be a shell of itself, and
54:24
Speaker 1: because they were gonna have no pass rush and their
54:26
Speaker 1: dbs were already kind of bad. And the Giants just
54:29
Speaker 1: you just weren't buying the stock coming into the season.
54:31
Speaker 1: Then obviously it just got derailed. But that is not
54:34
Speaker 1: the case now that that is not the case at all.
54:36
Speaker 1: And the same thing with the Bears, like that division
54:38
Speaker 1: was like, hey, it's gonna be the Packers, it's gonna
54:41
Speaker 1: be the Lions Minnesota if JJ's pretty good, is now
54:45
Speaker 1: wide open, And honestly, I lean just the Bears. Like
54:49
Speaker 1: right now, I picked the Bears to win that division.
54:52
Speaker 1: When it comes to the NFC East, I think I
54:54
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys and Giants gotta be looking at themselves
54:58
Speaker 1: going we got a shot, we got a shot to
55:01
Speaker 1: have a hat and tea shirt at the end of
55:02
Speaker 1: the year, and the Commanders just go, hey, I just
55:05
Speaker 1: if our quarterback can play seventeen games, he can be
55:08
Speaker 1: one of the better players in the league. Even if
55:10
Speaker 1: we have some flaws on the roster, if our quarterbacks
55:13
Speaker 1: that good, we're gonna be a very very competitive team.
55:17
Speaker 1: Maybe not carried by football gods and angels as it
55:21
Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago hitting Hail Mary's when
55:25
Speaker 1: Stevenson's looking in the crowd. Maybe those days are over.
55:28
Speaker 1: But like we can get back to nine or ten
55:29
Speaker 1: wins and I think the Eagles and that's part of Listen,
55:33
Speaker 1: the wind blows the hardest at the top of the mountain,
55:36
Speaker 1: and the hardest part about sports, the hardest part about business,
55:39
Speaker 1: the hardest part about anything. Once you're successful, is other
55:43
Speaker 1: people in your industry are all coming for you. Like,
55:45
Speaker 1: do you know how hard the Chiefs the like five
55:49
Speaker 1: year run they had of every regular season game was
55:53
Speaker 1: the biggest game their opponent played all season. Think about that.
55:56
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking to the playoffs in the Super Bowl.
55:58
Speaker 1: I'm just talking by like twenty twenty to twenty twenty three,
56:01
Speaker 1: every fucking regular season game against the Cardinals, against the Jags,
56:05
Speaker 1: against the Ravens, against you name it, every single team
56:08
Speaker 1: in the league, whoever their opponent was, that was the
56:10
Speaker 1: biggest game on their schedule. Listen, it was easier to
56:14
Speaker 1: load your roster. But say what you want about Saban
56:18
Speaker 1: for a decade plus he was by far the biggest
56:21
Speaker 1: game every team played on his schedule, right by far.
56:26
Speaker 1: And that's attacks that I don't think we discuss enough.
56:31
Speaker 1: That's really hard. It's what looking back at like the
56:34
Speaker 1: Brady Belichick era from like twenty ten to twenty eighteen,
56:39
Speaker 1: once it was well established, like these guys were like
56:42
Speaker 1: goat level individuals. They were getting everyone's i mean best
56:47
Speaker 1: right shot they could every single week. And that's what's
56:52
Speaker 1: hard about football, right, That's what's gonna be challenging for
56:56
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson the Bears, Like we don't get to kind
56:59
Speaker 1: of sleep, like no one's like not paying attention to
57:01
Speaker 1: us anymore. No one's like are these guys good? No,
57:04
Speaker 1: it's like everyone's taking us seriously every single week. Every
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Speaker 1: single week. They're gonna approach us no different than they
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Speaker 1: would the Bills are the Ravens, Like there's a real
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Speaker 1: game with a playoff team, like, better buckle up because
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Speaker 1: if you don't, we will lose. And that's what separates teams,
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Speaker 1: that's what separate coaches over the course of years. Right,
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Speaker 1: It's honestly probably an underrated part of the Tomlin Staft
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Speaker 1: that he never lost because it's like the guy just
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Speaker 1: refused to ever have a season where they just went
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Speaker 1: like six and eleven, just just refused. And I think
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Speaker 1: that is not just respectable, that's fucking badass. And in
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Speaker 1: a sports world where these other sports teams tank, even
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Speaker 1: in the NFL where you have these inept franchises like
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Speaker 1: the Jets and the Cardinals, you know, winning every single year,
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Speaker 1: even if it's not the super Bowl, even if it's
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Speaker 1: out fourteen games. You just being above five hundred and
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Speaker 1: being a competitive team year in year out, even if
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Speaker 1: that means being the last team in the playoffs, Like
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Speaker 1: that's that's a very respectable thing in the competitive industry.
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Speaker 1: So I love football, fun day, jam pack day, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of action. Hopefully we get more action in
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Speaker 1: the next couple of days. I'm sure we will officially
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Speaker 1: get some trades, which AJ Brown is probably the name
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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, like what is going to
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Speaker 1: happen there, and then we'll see what else shakes out.
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Speaker 1: So buckle up and uh I'll have you covered. Audios,
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Speaker 1: the volume