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Finding Love in PT School | Ep 95 · The Driven Athlete

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  Speaker 1: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what this podcast is for you.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all?
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  Speaker 1: It's your man, dr Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We got some cool guests with us our own in-house PTs, dr Matt and Dr Gianna, who just got married, by the way, so we're going to hear some stories about that.
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  Speaker 1: But thanks for shedding time from your busy schedules to come in and chat more and then share some stories with our listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having us.
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  Speaker 1: So first I wanted to ask, or have you guys share your story when are you guys from?
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  Speaker 1: Where are you from originally?
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  Speaker 2: We're both from Monmouth County, new Jersey, so central Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: For those people who debate north-south, it's central Middletown and Matt's from Howell, so very close to each other.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I mean, I really don't know much about the New England area, new Jersey, about the New England area, the New Jersey, philly, new York, long Island, like all the dynamics between the chaos up there.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a thing between north south central Jersey, like what's that mean?
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  Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people say central Jersey doesn't exist.
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  Speaker 2: It's either north or south, but we're smack in the center.
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  Speaker 3: So I am a firm believer that central Jersey does exist.
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  Speaker 3: If you were to fold the state in, half we'd live on the line.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but yeah, then there's also the people who live in Rahway or Bergen County, who are eight miles from New York, who claim that they're also Central Jersey.
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  Speaker 3: So it depends on who you ask.
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  Speaker 1: So people who live in Central are like no.
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  Speaker 1: New Jerseyans who live in Central are like there's a thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then North and South, like get over yourself, like there's no Central.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, a silly argument, but like we're set in our ways.
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  Speaker 1: But I know that I mean New Englanders are.
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  Speaker 1: They have opinions, they're opinionated, For sure, and they have their ways of belief, right?
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: So New Jersey?
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  Speaker 2: technically is not part of New England.
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  Speaker 2: New England, new England's considered like Massachusetts, maine, vermont, new Hampshire I'd say we're more like the tri-state.
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  Speaker 1: Tri-state.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pennsylvania, new York, in Jersey, that's a tri-state area.
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  Speaker 3: Anything northeast of that is New England, alright.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you for letting me know that that's good to know.
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  Speaker 2: So then northeast would be a better term, or just tri-state area, or just tri-state area, tri-state northeast yeah, not new england, though all right and y'all both went to uh quinnipiac yes is that and that's where would y'all meet.
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  Speaker 1: Where's the first time you guys saw each other?
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  Speaker 2: at quinnipiac, um, actually in a dance class.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I was the.
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  Speaker 3: I'm the dancer, not matt um based on some weddings, may you know, up for argument.
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  Speaker 2: But some highlight reels of dance of uh weddings might suggest otherwise might suggest matt's the dancer, um, but yeah, he was in a fraternity and my dance team they had to do events with, uh, greek life, so we did one with his fraternity and we taught them like a 30 second, if we're lucky dance.
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: And that's when I saw Matt busting out his good moves and couldn't look away.
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  Speaker 1: You're like that's the guy I want to go after.
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  Speaker 2: That's the guy.
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  Speaker 1: Who approached who first?
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  Speaker 2: It was like a friend who was like kind of friends with him but danced with me and connected us.
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: But he did follow me on Instagram first, so you know, I guess that counts.
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: So you were like are you, you're Gianna, like good to meet you in person?
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, that was me, no, that was her.
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What'd you do.
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  Speaker 2: That was at a fraternity party.
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: You know classic fraternity party you know classic fraternity party, um, and I just walked up and I said hey, I think you're in my physics class.
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: He was like yeah, I am and that was it that was it that's funny but yeah, that's how.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the first time we talked was probably then.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then in class.
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  Speaker 3: Once you kind of made the connection and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I remember in it was like cpr and like first aid and aed class or whatever is when we like kind of like actually connection and stuff.
• 4:04
  Speaker 3: I remember in it was like CPR and like first aid and AED class or whatever it was when we like kind of like, actually started.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you sat right behind.
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  Speaker 2: I think behind me right or in front of me.
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  Speaker 3: Either way, but yeah, that was kind of Sat close to each other, sat close to each other.
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  Speaker 1: Funny.
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  Speaker 2: We had a couple of classes here and there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We'd pop in so.
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  Speaker 1: So you had a couple of classes together.
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  Speaker 1: You all see each other frequently because it's the same major, I assume.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, same undergrad track.
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  Speaker 3: So Quinnipiac, for PT school you have an option you can do a 4 plus 3 or a 3 plus 3.
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  Speaker 3: Gianna is an overachiever, so she did the 3 plus 3.
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  Speaker 3: I did the 4 plus 3.
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  Speaker 3: So during my I guess like tail end of junior year, she started to take some of those classes.
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  Speaker 3: And then my senior year, her junior year, she was in a healthy amount of my classes, I would say, and then grad school, everything together, but yeah it narrows down, so like eventually you only have a couple of classes left and there's only a one or two you could allow to take.
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  Speaker 2: So we funneled it into a couple together.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean I, I know you guys were, you were in dance and Quinnipiac and then you did basketball stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys are busy, yeah, and you're fraternity.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, very busy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, undergrad, it was a hectic time for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Um, I mean, yeah, class schedule, I mean for basketball, being a manager with the basketball team, uh, my day was pretty much blocked off.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't do any classes from like 11 AMm to 4 pm every day really, so I had to kind of sandwich my classes outside of that so like 8 to 11, 8 to 10 30, 8 to 11 am, and then night classes that's a rare thing for a college student to have an 8 am class and then do well in it and show up yeah, yeah, we didn't say he showed up, I was registered for this class, but
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  Speaker 3: I showed up, I did well, but there was yeah, there was.
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: I mean traveling too like you.
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  Speaker 3: Just definitely you're getting pulled out, like every friday for the most part, especially during the season so as the you were the manager of the quinnipiac basketball team.
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: Quinnipiac is division one.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, um, how did you land that like?
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  Speaker 1: What'd you do like?
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  Speaker 3: honestly right place at right time.
• 5:56
  Speaker 3: Uh, it was fall of freshman year.
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  Speaker 3: I just I don't even know where I met him.
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  Speaker 3: I actually met him this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Um, there was this guy named john salvanchik shout out john.
• 6:06
  Speaker 3: Um, I met him at I want to say it was a rush event and he was a.
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  Speaker 3: He was a sophomore, was a manager of the team.
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  Speaker 3: We just started talking and then I was like, oh, I'd be really interested in doing that.
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  Speaker 3: I played in high school growing up, played pretty competitively.
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  Speaker 3: And then he got me an interview with his boss at the time, um, who was the director of ops for the team, and then kind of just plugged it.
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  Speaker 3: Once I met him, he was like, give me a great fit, and I just kind of plugged in from there.
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  Speaker 1: And you were all.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you grew up playing basketball, competitively, travel, aau, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever have aspirations to play college?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.
• 6:37
  Speaker 3: I definitely was recruited to play division three at a number of schools Just not a lot of Division three schools have physical therapy programs and I knew what I wanted to do at a younger age.
• 6:46
  Speaker 3: Once I kind of knew that PT was the route for me, it kind of narrowed down the basket of schools you could go to.
• 6:52
  Speaker 3: I'd say there's Ithaca had a good D three physical therapy program.
• 6:58
  Speaker 3: The basketball team just wasn't a fit, so that was kind of out.
• 7:01
  Speaker 3: And then I strongly considered going to Gettysburg to play Cool, but no PT program.
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  Speaker 3: I would have had to do like a bio major and I had already gotten into Quinnipiac at this time with a pretty good scholarship.
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  Speaker 1: So passing that out.
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  Speaker 1: So you wanted the streamlined pathway undergrad grad school at the same school.
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  Speaker 3: It just made things so big.
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  Speaker 3: Undergrad PT, yeah, and the financial aspect of it was just.
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  Speaker 1: It was too good to pass up yeah, so it was just so that outweighed your desire to play basketball in college at.
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  Speaker 3: It took like a a start, not a start talking to.
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  Speaker 3: But, like me, my mom had a hard conversation and kind of was like listen, like this is what you'd be looking at if you didn't if you do this right.
• 7:36
  Speaker 3: I definitely wanted to play.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, every guy in high school does, especially if you're competitive, but it got to the point where it was like, all right, right, you got to make a tough decision here and it just the rest of my life versus the next four years kind of outweighed each other.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just wasn't that hard of a decision when you looked at it that way.
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, understood.
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: Wow, and then dance for you.
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  Speaker 1: You grew up dancing competitive dancer.
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  Speaker 1: What style of dance did you grow up doing the most, or was it everything?
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of everything in the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: You start out with your ballet and tap, which then I moved away from.
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  Speaker 2: I did competitive competition, whereas jazz, contemporary, hip-hop, lyrical, and then I did dance.
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  Speaker 1: What's lyrical dance?
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  Speaker 2: So lyrical is what?
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  Speaker 4: does that mean Great question, great question.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like those you ever hear a slow, almost, I want to say dramatic, elegant, it's very an elegant form of dance.
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  Speaker 2: um, very interpretive um, that's more contemporary, it's more of like modern, um trying to put in like words, you guys don't understand but in body language yeah, you know, like you see you see, those like pretty, like soft, flowy, like there's such a range too, to every style everyone puts their own like interpretation into it.
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: But that was lyrical, modern contemporaries, more interpretive, um, and there was jazz, hip-hop.
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  Speaker 2: I danced in high school, um on a competitive high school team which was different than the competitive studio world, um.
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  Speaker 2: So we did a lot of like palm.
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  Speaker 2: So I must think like cheer palm um, but a little more like structured with dance, so you're doing more tricks and stuff with it, not like cheer where you're doing like lifts and stunts.
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  Speaker 2: So I did a little bit of palm.
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  Speaker 2: And then I was kind of similar boat, like going to college, was looking at PT schools, was looking at schools with dance teams.
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: I heavily considered going to UDEL, university of Delaware, because they have a great PT program and a great dance team, but it wasn't direct entry.
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: You still had to reapply.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you basically went for your undergrad.
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: You got your four years of like a kinesiology degree and then you decided or if you wanted to go there for pt school a similar process I'm sure most people go through um and they had a great dance team.
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: But, you know, when it came down to it, I knew there was options to dance at quinnipiac.
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  Speaker 2: They were just going to be different um.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: So I ended up choosing and even try out for the udell dance team.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: I almost did but I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that would have swayed me one way, or the other you know if you made it or not, um, but I ended up choosing quinnipiac which seems like it ended up being a good decision yeah, you know, I guess it worked out.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: You can say so you and quinnipiac did not have a dance team at the time no.
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: So when I went um, they had three different types of dance like I guess they called them clubs.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: They were student run, um.
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: There was like a hip-hop team, a just regular.
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: They did all styles of dance.
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: They did like a showcase and then um like a tap and a kick team, um, and I ended up doing the hip-hop team.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: Um, I just kind of like meshed well with those girls for most when I met them all um, so I did that for two years.
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: I had like a position to help like run the team.
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: My sophomore year, which was cool, um, got to like see what went into running a team right then my sophomore year, the director of athletics or the intramurals at the time said they were getting funding um from our new president to start club sports so it would be like a more competitive level.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: Um, and then there it kind of took off that I started the quinnipiac dance team it was the club dance team for the first year, but we got that removed and now it's just the Quinnipiac dance team.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: The official Quinnipiac dance team.
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: Official Quinnipiac dance team and what does it look like?
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Like you got practices, you got rehearsals and stuff, and then you guys perform for like where, like for the basketball team, like with theater competitions.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: A little bit of both.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: The big thing is the UDA competition in January.
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: What competition?
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  Speaker 2: UDA, universal Dance Association.
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: They have that one in January.
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: That's the one that Quinnipiac would go to, so they would train basically the first half of the year competition.
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: You could do up to two dances and then a game day, which was like a mix of like what you would do and perform if you were performing at a basketball or football game, um.
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: So there was that.
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: That was like the big nationals competition, um.
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: And then for Quinnipiac we didn't have a football team, it was only basketball.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: So we would perform at every men's and women's basketball game um, starting in November, going all the way um to the MAC tournament tournament in March, and then you spent most of your time juggling between getting those dances ready while doing the nationals training with your January Matt, with your dance history.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: There's two boy men that joined the Vikings Minnesota Vikings dance team we could probably talk to the Dolphins.
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: We could pull some strings.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe, Get you in with the Dolphins, maybe, maybe the Panthers.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: We have some connections there too.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: I saw them.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: I think your hips move a little better than theirs.
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: He's got some good hips, just saying I reserve my dancing for the wedding dance course.
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: After a couple of beverages.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: Swinging hips, man, that's awesome.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: So the okay with the dance thing.
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of carryover right With.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a specific niche for dance and PT.
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: There's this thing I think we talked about this.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: There's this thing, this network called.
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: Doctors for Dancers and like nationally that I was a part of for a little while and they were connecting me with dancers that had issues, or if there's like a performance at the Kravis Center or something like that, I'm like, hey, we need some coverage, can you do it?
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not even doing it because I was just I mean, it's like six o'clock be there.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: God, I would say the hours probably aren't.
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: And was the reason why you went towards PT.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: With your history of dance and stuff and noticing injuries or whatever, did you have your own injuries?
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: A little bit.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: So knock on wood.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: I luckily didn't have any like changing, like bad injuries where I had to go to PT, but my friends like left and right it was mostly knees.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: I had like a really good friend who had knee surgery at a pretty young age.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: She was in, I think, eighth grade at the time.
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Or a knee injury, that kind of cycled to her not being able to dance.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: I always loved that side of dance, like the active, the physical part of training.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: I would say what got me into because it requires a lot of athletic ability, you know, yeah I feel like you, sometimes people don't realize because they see there's so many different types of dance and people do it like recreationally, but then there's also people who do it a little more, um, intense, um.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: But I never wanted like a job where I like sit still, like I can't sit still for a long time, I like to be up and moving, um, so, between having the experience of dance and just always being like active, um, and then kind of falling into always wanting to do like math, science, like I loved, like the human body, um, that kind of led me down that path.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: And then it just made sense, sense like physical therapy compared to like an occupational or speech therapy, because I like want to be moving I want to be up and active, dynamic, yeah, yeah, cool.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Same thing for you.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: I mean like basketball, I mean playing team sports, super demanding, of course.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: The same um did you have a lot of like?
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: What led you to be pt, to know that you wanted to go that route?
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: I got hurt, you got hurt.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: I dislocated my kneecap uh, freshman year of high school, so I missed a good part of that season, Um, rehabbing that and kind of getting back to it.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: And I had a really great PT.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Did you go have surgery?
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: I did not have surgery.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: No, I played in a brace for three years so I mean, I was just kind of like it was just trusting it.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: I just felt more confident with the brace on.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: I probably wasn't the same player I was at the time, but I mean it just kind of just confidence and mentally it was tough for me.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: But so the main reason would be just the confidence.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, trusting your knee.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just the confidence.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, trusting your knee, yeah, that was a hard thing for me.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: So my game kind of changed.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: I mean it worked out because I stopped growing around the same time, so turning into more of a spot-up shooter control the ball and be a good passer, make good decisions, play hard defense.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: That kind of worked out well for me.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Um, but at the time I was fairly athletic.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, in eighth grade I was the same height I am now, so it kind of um out that way, not driving the paint all that often.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I had a really good PT, fell in love with the process of rehab, kind of really appreciated the starting point to the end point and kind of really enjoyed the journey and I wanted to be able to be that person for other kids like me at that point in my life.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I would say a long too.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Like I not as severe of an injury but broke my foot um in the fifth grade.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I had it was.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: It was dancing um.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I was in a boot for like 10 weeks and I did sprain my ankle senior year, a pretty acute um sprain, but never once was I recommended to go to therapy interesting so, like looking back, I was like, oh, I wish like someone had told me like go to physical therapy, like work on this stuff, because I feel like it would have made such a difference.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Like my ability to do certain moves, dancing.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I feel like that's maybe not a main reason why I got into it initially, but definitely something now that I'm like advocate for like go to therapy even if it's a minor injury, Like it could really, it could really change your trajectory of the sport.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: You're doing A hundred percent.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, I mean, cause that's something I always talk about with our patients.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: It's like we live, like we've been through a lot of the same stuff and we live vicariously through what y'all are doing.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: And it's like just like, just trust me, you know, like, just please, let let us intervene and we'll show you.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Like, because the window of opportunity for young athletes is so small, you know, I mean like seventh, eighth, you play like little league games stuff yeah and then like I mean really competitive, I mean we're like 13 years old, so eighth grade, let's say, until you're not 18, right?
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: so that's like five years, that's it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have Five year window to showcase yourself, to develop, to like work on stuff and maybe send you on a trajectory of like playing college ball or this next level or whatever, or just enjoy the process.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Cause I have plenty of teammates and I'm sure you guys are just saying that like they were hampered by injuries.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: They were just meandering around the sideline in the training room waiting for this appointment, waiting for this doc visit, waiting for this appointment, waiting for this doc visit, waiting for this image to come through and they're like it's still.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know it's like they didn't.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: They're playing again yeah, and they could have been good.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: But I'm like looking back, I'm like what, like you never know as a kid, like in the moment, but I'm like man, is this?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: There's got to be some answers?
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's got to be a solution, right?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: why is this hurting?
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: exactly that's a conversation I have with every athlete that comes through the door.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's like, listen, you're 15 right now and you feel like you're going to play forever, but in reality it could be three years and then it's the next 60 or 70 not playing.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: So it's a very short part of your life and cherish it now.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Give everything you have to it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: It's one of the things that drives me insane is kids who have talent and don't and don't work.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Not even that drives me insane is like kids who have talent and don't and don't work and not even don't work don't want it and it's like listen, like you have an opportunity to do something.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: That's awesome and if they, if they don't do it, just it drives me crazy when they don't apply themselves, not realizing how short this opportunity is and it goes away it does I, when I was coaching, like those two seasons, which was fun.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: It was only two seasons, but it definitely brought back a lot of memories.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I was like just the smell of the grass, the sound of the whistle, you know, and like what?
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I um, yeah, anyway, um, it was really cool.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: And I was some kids that got it and they're like, okay, I'm going to, I want to invest more effort, Cause they're actually like trying and they, they want it, they're hungry.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: And then some kids just checked out.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I was like I'm going to do my best with you too, of course, but I'm not going to tell you stories.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: It's not going to convey the same way.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: But anyway, think about men in their 50s.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: They still talk about high school sports, the glory days.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: That's a three-year, you're not going to play as a freshman usually.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: You're not going to get much points.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: As a sophomore, it's usually only two years of time and that sets the stage for so many memories and stories.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: We would sets the stage for so many memories and stories and like we would have went to state if we would have.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: You know, this ref made this call.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I remember this one play specifically.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: You have a bad memory.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Until you remember that ref.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: When you were 17 years old, you didn't call something.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean I remember being 14 up in Providence at Jamfest and just like the one ref like just going off that stuff, like that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Like Providence at Jamfest and just like the one ref like just going off that stuff like that, like I'm still bitter.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: His name was but yeah, I mean we talk about.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, how many times do we reminisce on that in?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: the office on a regular.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe we do that like at least once a week.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's awesome, so you guys?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So tell me about when y'all met.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Y'all met officially at a fraternity dance.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: You didn't know that you guys are both pursuing pt as like a career at that point I'm at the point.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I did not know that I might have known she.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: She knows some things beforehand, so you're doing some research.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: She always does you know the other ladies out here will understand we do some research before we're going to invest and put our time into something yeah so I might have known he was from new jersey.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I might have known he was a pt major.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I might have known I'd be seeing a lot of him in the upcoming years.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Um basketball history so we actually probably crossed paths like multiple times, um, just because from me dancing on the sidelines and him playing basketball, yeah we went to schools pretty close to each other, um, so the chances we played each other are very high pads didn't even know.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: We've definitely played your high school a number of times, so so probably I've seen you multiple times, but you know you're 15, 16 17 there's so many people there and you don't like the other team, it'd be really cool if there was like a highlight reel, like of the past and be like you didn't know.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: But on this date, at this game, you guys actually cropped like cross paths yeah I mean right around that dance time, like we didn't really the first dance, we didn't really interact like individually, just like together at that point.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: But I'm 99 sure we had the same senior night without realizing like our parents were in the same place for the first time, without knowing it like you're probably in the background of so many pictures, or I'm in the background dancing while you're doing something.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: He's swinging his hips in the background.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I wish I could be out there with those girls.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I just want to dance, that's all I want to do.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Basketball's getting in the way it's just a cover up.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: He wants to watch the dance.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cover up, he wants to watch the dance, exactly, yeah.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: And then we started dating, um, our first semester of grad school.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: So, um 2020, the end of 2020 is when we, uh we went to a semester of classes together and then at the end of that was when we started like officially funny officially dating.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Nicole and I were similar yeah we should get.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: She should be here in a minute, but like we'll tell the story too, yeah, I need to hear your story of how you guys met.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you heard our deep, darkest secrets.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: So second semester, first year of grad school, y'all officially started dating.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, how'd that work out?
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: What happened?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty good.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: No, what I?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: mean is like how did it work, how did it go?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Like, who started it?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: So I think you actually started it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: So we went to grad school like prime covid, so it was 2020 and they did groups of eight for us.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: So instead of having like 30 people in your lab, you had eight people in your lab and he had texted me and asked to be in my lab group.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: So we said, sure, not a problem, not realizing that we had nine in our group.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: So unfortunately, he got the boo from the group, but we still had class at the same time.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: So we saw each other a lot and I was primed for just being like hey, do you want to go over the kinesiology homework tonight Before we started dating, just to see if you'd hang out or wanted to catch up, stick around a little longer, stick around.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: So it was little things like that.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: That's funny.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: before we started dating, just to see if you'd hang out or wanted to catch up.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Stick around a little longer.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Stick around, so it was little things like that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And then when we were in school we were never in the same lab group, but we were in classes at the same time very similar schedules.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: We had cadaver lab together, I remember, so we interacted a bit then in person, but then every lecture throughout this time was online, so we were not in the same room for a lecture, but labs.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: We were at adjacent rooms to each other.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: But, by second year fall or second year spring, we were back in person fully.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: So then at that point we sat next to each other and everything.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I think it worked out pretty well.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I mean we worked together on a number group projects and we're fine and all that.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: So I know, not everyone who works with their partner or spouse is has is that lucky, but we were pretty well together.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: How did y'all who approached who first like to be like, hey, do you want to like go on a date?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I guess it was you yeah it was me um.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not that bold it was me.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not that bold?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: um, yeah, I think it was you and it was ironically and we were home from school.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: So we were like oh, where do you like?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: We live around the corner from each other.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: So, even though we're home, like we like started dating and hanging out more exclusively at home yeah, over that winter break and after first semester.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was good, you know bye mom.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, gonna go hang out with some boy I met at school.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like I remember when I think it was our second date, I asked her to go to the driving range with me okay keep in mind this is january
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: in new jersey oh so it's like 30 degrees outside and but no snow at this point no snow.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: It might have been melting on the ground maybe yeah, but it's a driving range, it's covered and uh okay, and I.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I can only imagine the look on her mom's face if she goes.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna with this uh guy to the driving range.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: She probably looked at her like she had seven heads january 3rd, like what?
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: yeah, just be like what is wrong with you?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Have you ever?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: golfed at that point in your whole life?
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: No, not at all mini golf maybe.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: And I go, I'm like bundled up, I have gloves, a hat, like I'm freezing my mom's like you look silly and I'm like, but we're going golfing that's funny and it was it worked.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I guess I don't even know if I hit the club at all, or if I just watched him, I have some videos of her swinging the clubs.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's funny I got in on the action then.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that was our, I guess our first or second.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: That was our, I guess first or second date.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: That was our second date.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Our first date, we actually hung out with the friends of the wedding that we just went to.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, okay.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we were actually hung out at their house.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: We were going to go like look at Christmas lights or something like that.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Just some reason to go hang out, yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: And my, hey, I'm having to call people over or whatever this is like and that wasn't a lot like six of us or eight of us or something like that, because this is cove at the time.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, um, that's thrown right in, yeah, right into the front, right, yeah, right into meeting my friends first date which?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: how do I introduce myself hi?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't think of any of that in hindsight, I I can.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I can appreciate it being a tougher spot for her to be some more preparation?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: yeah for sure.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some lead um, and y'all just got married a month, six weeks ago.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess six weeks now.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow, six weeks, yeah, july 11th.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: A month and 10 days.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: It'll be six years before you know it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, we'll blink it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: We'll blink it, we'll have who?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: knows man, Tell me about the wedding real quick.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Where was the wedding?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Wedding was in New Jersey, backward Kind of right near where we both grew up, and yeah, it was July 11th, 7-11.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: No free Slurpees, unfortunately, at the wedding.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: But you know it was talked about multiple times, but yeah, we got married actually in the church that I grew up in doing all my sacraments.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Cool it was really like cool full circle moment.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: And then we went right to the reception.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: It was at the Fort, not that you know, fort Monmouth, but for people in New Jersey there was a venue over there that they're redoing, so we got married there.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Then we went straight to Greece Cool For the honeymoon.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: For 10 days right.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: With travel.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: It was like maybe 11, but some don't count because you're on an airplane for 10 hours.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's brutal I can imagine.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: And then, yeah, all the sleep changes and stuff.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you guys showed me a picture.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: It looks like it was a blast.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a great time the food, the water, just the fact you didn't see a cloud for two weeks, so that was pretty cool.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: That's really cool.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Tell us now so PT practice that y'all are developing now, right, that y'all enjoy doing, and stuff.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Niche is what, like, your main thing is going to be is with sports and dancers gym, gymnasts, gymnasts, cheerleaders, yeah.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Dancers, gym gymnasts, gymnasts, cheerleaders, yeah, yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: What do you find to be the most common things of those type?
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: of patient demographics to have issues with um.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I find that it's a lot of a lot of dancers are hyper mobile or they have a lot of motion.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: They're super flexible.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: You can put your foot behind your head.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: You can touch your foot to your head backwards, um, so it's never that they don't have good mobility in that sense.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: It's that it's some joints usually are more mobile than others and that they don't have stability.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: They are so used to stretching and stretching.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Who can do a split, who can kick their leg the highest, but they don't realize that behind all that mobility, you really need to have stability, um, which, looking back, it makes total sense like why, why can't?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I can kick my leg all the way up there, but I can't hold it up there of course not.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: You don't have any glute strength, you don't have any leg strength.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: To you know, keep it up there.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Um.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: So I would say that's a very common thing, that you see a lot with dancers, just hyper mobilitymobility with a lack of stability, and it makes sense based on how dancers are training.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: What body parts get lit up the most?
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I would say the low back is super common for getting injured as well as just like knee and ankle as well.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: It's everything we do is like jumping, landing, twisting.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: So if you don't have the good stability up the chain, then it's just that repetitive force over and over.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I would say a lot of my friends that got injured they were like knee surgeries, knee injuries.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: But even today all my dance friends are like oh, my back it's catching up to you.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And it's probably years of just hyper-extending because you want to be flexible, you want to put your head to your foot and vice versa.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: The postures require you to do that repetitively.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Repetitively over and over.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And you want it to be the best.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: But it pays a price when you don't really understand how your body's supposed to be moving.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: So what would you recommend, then, for young dancers right now?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: um strength train, do the strength training, do um the the core stability.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I know we talk a lot about like-extension, anti-rotation, but like that's prime stuff for dancers Work on your glutes, work on just like overall.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: You don't have to.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: You do a lot of cardio, you're dancing three minutes straight, but like, slow it down, pick up some like weights and do strength training.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I think there's a big thing behind dancers getting too bulky.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Um, so a lot of them are like oh no I don't want to bulk up.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I don't want to bulk up like I'm gonna do my crunches all day and eat my salad that's a common.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I mean for female active people.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: You know that's no, that's a super common thing.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm like well, think about like this there's young boys, men, that their goal is to be jacked.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Right, all the bros want to be jacked and like who has more testosterone, like the young female athlete, or a man, like a dude?
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: And then they're working really hard to get jacked and it's still hard for them.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm like you, think you're going to outpace them, like you're set up not to have the same gains the same way, like relax, you're not going to get.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: You're not going to get bulky yeah but anyway.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: So what for you?
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: What do you uh get the most energy out like?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: What do you enjoy the most?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: What kind of patient?
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: demographic, popular young athletes, motivated, active adults.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Um I definitely really, really enjoy working with golfers.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Um I myself have kind of picked up the sport since not playing basketball anymore.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got done to a six handicap.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Is that five?
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, six 6.7, according to the app.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I've gotten pretty good over the past six, seven years, but it definitely has become a passion of mine to work with golfers who have pain, because you see a lot, a lot of back pain, a lot of hip pain.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: You get some shoulder pain too with that you see a lot, a lot of back pain, a lot of hip pain.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Um, you get some shoulder pain too with that kind of anything.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: That's kind of with that kinetic chain and not being able to sequence them.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: The swing properly in amateur and amateur golfers can kind of lead to some things, uh, in the back, hip, shoulder, wrist even especially yeah so you see a lot of that and I do.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I do enjoy working with them, but like any motivated active adult or high school athlete or college athlete that I'd love working with them too.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Um, I really get like, I, like I, uh, I get my motivation.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I feel fulfilled like seeing those people return to their sport yeah without pain.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: That's, that's what really gets me going, yeah yeah, that's what gets me up in the morning.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: And we, uh, I mean that's, that's because I've seen it, you know, with you, um, working with.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Who was that tennis player?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: We can't say his name.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: There was an elder tennis player, an aging athlete that was still motivated and pumped and wanted to play.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a handful of them.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: But doing tennis shots in the clinic, yeah he was almost 80.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was 78.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Brought some tennis, his tennis racket in got a ball.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Y' are doing some, some pivoting and some movements and some shots, rotational movements, yep and uh, getting him back and we could see it.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: You know he was, he was enjoying it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, he likes it for sure, and then he was leaving without like he felt a lot better yeah, I actually reached out to him.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: he just got back to me.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: He said he's been playing non-stop since he graduated and everything's been going good and he's.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: But he said he's continuing with his exercises and when he gets bored of him he'll want more.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: So that's yeah, so he's doing good and I'm happy for him and I think that's that's what gets me going.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't really matter the age.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I kind of treat every patient as if they were an athlete.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Not everyone's sport is a sport.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Some people's sport is can I go on a nice long walk without pain?
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: And that's right, and you just let you just with the view of that being your sport.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: I think it makes it a lot easier to kind of objectify and kind of quantify their success.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: So when patients see that, I think they buy in a lot more and then you get better results because of that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally the.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I mean something that always people ask like what do you like to do the most, like treat the most, and usually my answer is pretty similar, where it's like it doesn't really matter.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Um, as long as they're enthusiastic and they're motivated, they want to do something, they enjoy it, they're hungry, they're showing me what to do, they want to get better, they're enthusiastic about whatever their thing is, some zest in their life, because I just man the other facilities that we've all been involved with in the past.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: It's just energy drain.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: It's like what are you doing here?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, I'm just here because my doc told me to.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: He's like what are you doing here?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, I'm just here because my doc told me to.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Or it's like I know this isn't gonna work.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to get my injection.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: It's like this is just to satisfy insurance needs.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like then what are we doing?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: What are we doing here?
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Mindset definitely plays a role, and it's frustrating too, as the therapist, when you're like I's, like you're talking to the wall talking to the wall makes it hard to go into work every morning when you're like just like, here we go again like that that that attitude kind of, and it drains the therapist too.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: It's they're definitely.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I pride myself on not doing this, but there's definitely a day here or there when you're in that setting where it's like I really don't want to do this right now.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: It's in ARC, like that's completely changed around because everybody's motivated, everybody wants to get better, everybody's got high enthusiasm for kind of doing what they do and it's refreshing, yeah, yeah, it keeps you energized.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I would totally agree, like my career was totally reinvigorated by doing this kind of stuff where, um, I mean, like I was about to quit like PT, like there was a moment where I did fellowship training right, finished, moved back here and I wasn't enjoying the spot that I was at.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, looking ahead 35, 40 years and I'm like, is this what I'm going to be doing for the next four?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Like, what is what am I doing?
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: You know Like I can't like.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: This sucks, you know and know.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I almost like.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I called my brother and my cousin and I was like, because they own the brewery, right yeah and I was like, yes, like looking for brewers, like that'd be kind of fun.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I like beer, I could get into it more yeah I'll learn the ropes.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I like going travel.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I like traveling good beer fests could be fun.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, is that a new marketing for you, you know, and there you know, my brother was like we, can we have a conversation?
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: see what, maybe what role you might be able to have.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: That's the.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I had a phone call, I remember, outside my apartment.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: That was a phone call, and I was like I don't know what to do you know, yeah.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: And then I talked to my buddy and he was like yeah, I'm, you know, I'll have a lot of patients that they are asking me to see them.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Um on, because, like with manual therapy, they just want more attention and they want manual therapy.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: They want one-on-one um attention, you know, and like actually work on stuff.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And uh, he was like um, people have asked me more and more, so much to the point where I'm going to quit and just do that only.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: And I was like what?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: That's an option.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Mine was blown and I was like I'm in today, Whatever it takes.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: There is no other option.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Failure is not an option.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: And then I would love to create like an environment and a culture and a facility where I can bring other PTs on board and have them join the culture and reinvigorate their careers and then get them on the same pathway and enjoy it Because it's fun.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: You enjoy coming into work.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: You're like how many?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Hours did I even work today, like you know, when you go home and you're like wow, how does that work for 10 hours like didn't even feel like it versus like on hour.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Five need to go on lunch like that's the worst, you're counting down the minutes until you can go home versus like wow, I had a great day and I can't believe it's five o'clock, but yeah like time flies mean the moment we just had in the gym at 11.45 today.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: That was cool, that was a great moment, we just had a couple of patients who were.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Everyone was kind of like, enjoying and feeding off the energy of each other.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: It was great Doing some basketball shots and stuff.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, what's up, buddy Special guest.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Come here, buddy, come here, hi dude, come here.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: This is what everyone's been waiting for Hi Bodhi, Hi Bodhi, Tell me all the things.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: This is my son Colt.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: I talk about you guys.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: a lot Did you know that I talk about you guys.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Did you know that he's like yeah, I know.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: He's three and he just started pre-K at the church.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: How are we liking school or pre-K?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Pre-K Do you like it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Oh buddy.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: That's so funny.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was pretty good.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Day one he went right in and then you were saying yesterday he was a little apprehensive.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Normal day two.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Doesn't want to go back got it yeah, excited the first day and then yeah, but uh day three will be good tomorrow you got school tomorrow again.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Buddy, you want to go?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, shaking the head, yes so I was asking them about, like how they met and stuff like that, and they wanted to know how we met.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, this is my wife.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I introduced colt.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: This is my wife, nicole hi hello, nice to see you and, uh, nice to meet you for all the listeners.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: She's also a pt and um, she, uh, is a stay-at-home mom now, which is the hardest, most important job in the world, and um, but yeah, we went to grad school together at the university of miami.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: She went to undergrad at university of miami and played soccer for the hurricanes and then stayed there and went to grad school.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Then I went to grad school there and that's where we met.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, give me the details.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: That's not enough for us.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: We just go deep into it From your perspective, my perspective.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: We sat next to each other in class.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: I was a nerd that like studied way too much, and he was the guy that like watched youtube videos in class, so sounds familiar there's some eerie similarities here and then one day he was like um coming in to study and it was 11 pm and he's like I'm just starting to study.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: And I was like how can you possibly be starting to study?
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: And so I, um, stayed and studied with them and I think that kind of was the beginning of I was.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I remember that's exactly the same thing.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I would have said like it was we uh.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Hi, buddy, I would like so well.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Pt.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: After classes it ended like 4 o'clock, 5, whatever, if it was 4 or 5, I would go home.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I would usually nap and then I would wake up and have a snack which was egg whites and English muffins.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I remember that specifically because then I would go to the gym and I'd come home from the gym and I'd shower and then I'd be like all right, what do I need to do?
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: And then I'd go from there to the school classrooms to study and from there to the school uh classrooms to study, and I would get there like 11.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: So I remember walking in single, strapping it.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I have like a book bag and a pencil and she's like like, what are you doing?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like I'm gonna study.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: She's like you're just now getting here to study she's like walking out right she's walking out.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: I've been here since class ended.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she has, like she's like hugging, four books with like sticky notes, color coordinated out highlighters falling out of her hands and she's like you're just getting here like, oh my gosh, I have to help you, and I was like, all right, yeah, can you help me?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: it'd be great sure now she's like so sure studying at 11 o'clock at night.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh we're in bed.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get in bed before nine and then I usually doom scroll for like a of minutes and then try to fall asleep after that.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: My goal is the same.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I don't get that, but I try to and I remember that that night particular, she was like all right, so okay, what have you gotten through so far?
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And I was like I haven't gotten through the slides yet.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: She's like you haven't got through anything.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: yet I was just like what are you?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: My gosh, there's so much I had to get through.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let me summarize this.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: And then she was getting into it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Take my notes, do this yeah.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: There was one test in particular where she was like I bet I don't know why, she was just really good at school, really good at listening, really good at taking notes, and she would know what the teacher was going to ask.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: When he's watching youtube videos and they say make sure you know this exclamation, exclamation you highlighted it, I highlighted it and so I'm like this is probably a question.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: This is probably a question and there was one test like the first 10 questions.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: I think seven of them were like the ones I said exactly what she said like you're a genius.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, we're, because we sat next to each other and I I'm like she's like shh shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh shh, shh, shh, shh, shh shh shh guys in the class.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: We would like send funny videos to you know, with Messenger.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, we had a group chat with like 10 of the guys in there.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: And we're like half the class is just like literally just typing in that group chat, can't believe.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: So-and-so said this So-and-so.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: What was that?
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: What did they say?
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: What exactly?
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: One.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: There was video and we would send it out.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I would send it to a bunch of people and I would see who forgot to put their computer on mute.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's making all those chicken noises.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: So like two people like they would click the video and it would.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: It would go off and they'd be like trying to mute it and I'm like I gotcha it's really
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: funny, it's great.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very similar to our class dynamic, I guess.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: She was very frustrated that I was the person who didn't study that often and still did good.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: I did just good enough.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Like keep your scholarship, get your 3.6 or whatever.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: And then she's like no, I need to have a 4.0.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Like and I was like no, that he's like.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I'm done with these people tapped out.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I want to go do something fun, you're like.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Don't listen to the men in the room.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: You have to study harder than that, yeah exactly so they were.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Hey, you want to sit with me again.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Well, they were asking um yeah, how we dated, but I've come back and tell you.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So my version of how we started dating was um, you have to tell her the story back when she comes back, okay, she?
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: doesn't like a laugh, yeah we.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: There was a class that, um, it was a tricky class.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I forget what it was.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Differential diagnosis yeah okay, it's a hard one remember, and it was just, it was like a lot of short answer answers and stuff like that you couldn't just it was a multiple choice.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: But anyway, um, I was like all right, if you help me study and I get like an a, then, um, this is how it happened.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I was like then you could cook me dinner oh, wow come over and I'll bring like a bottle of, like something to drink, you know.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: And then I did good, wow, and I got an a so she was privileged enough to cook you dinner.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I know it sounds so bad she made me a stir fry nice that's good yeah yeah, I don't know if that would have worked with me.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I would have been like uh, I think you mean you're gonna take me out to dinner right, for sure would have went the other way there.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Cool, come here, dude, you want to talk in the microphone?
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: I'm guessing you said I cooked for you.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, he put it as if you help him study and get an A, then you will cook for him then.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how that worked out.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know how it worked out either, so you had to make out like a bandit there, and also this is also something that we were both dating other people at the time of the people at the time.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow, Wow.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: So we had a one-on-one dinner.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: See, this is where things get like messed up, Because he it was spring.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: We my memory of this and his memory of this are very different of timelines.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: What was your memory?
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: My memory was, we didn't have this dinner until we were single.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, Like it was, like, Like it was like Like maybe this happened, but we didn't like it didn't happen right away.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you broke up and then did the dinner.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe I was just thinking about like when the deal happened is during the spring semester, but we didn't actually make that happen until summer.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Correct, Okay.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to go with her.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: She's probably right.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: And then.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: So then what was our first date?
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: I heard you loved going to the movies.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Oh, he loved the movies, he loved the movies thing, and somehow I think of like our first movie dates were probably still stressful because he was the type that was like, oh yeah, we could sneak into another movie.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: And he took me to another movie and he's like, yeah, we can sneak into the back, not a big deal, not a big deal again.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Heart attack over here.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: That's not my personality and this one movie was sold out and they come in and turn on the lights and they go.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, everyone show your tickets and I was like what?
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: We're done, we're going to jail.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: This guy I don't know who he is.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: He set me up, he's trying to get me arrested tonight.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: We went to an earlier movie with the thought being like we're going to sneak into one and then another one, maybe after that.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Three back-to-back movies.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And this movie had been out for a long time.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: You were there for nine hours yeah she fell asleep the whole time.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: So we went to this second movie we went to to try to sneak in.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: It had been out for a long time in one of the smaller theaters in the back.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we're going to sneak in, there's going to be nobody in there and we'll be totally fine.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: For some reason people kept piling in and coming in, coming in and I was like, all right, the preview is going to start.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: People were still coming in, piling in and stuff, no-transcript.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Sure that you guys are good.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: She's like freaking out again and I was like just hand me the tickets, like I'll hold them.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: You got your purse he's on the move then I was like just hand me your, hand me the tickets.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: They made the receipts of the tickets that looked like the other stub and just like just chill, just chill.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: So the guy come up.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: He like he's going through the aisles checking over his tickets.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: He's going out the door?
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: he wasn't.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Oh he's, I'll go check out.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's trying to move the door so I uh, anyway, the security.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: The security guard comes up and like there was like three security guards in the movie theater anyway, and then one guy was going up the aisle and he was like can with us?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: And he's like, hey, let me see your tickets.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: And I just like flashed the receipt stubs and he's like, oh, you're good.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: And he kept moving.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, someone got kicked out of this movie.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Who wasn't?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some guys, some people got kicked out yeah, some guys, some people got kicked out.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: They were kicking people out.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, you're like wow, keep quiet.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, just be quiet, just act chill, you know, and uh, I just flashed the receipt stubs I didn't say what movie theater.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: You were in it was just the receipt and I just like held up two of them, you know, and flashed them and them covering like the movie and he like the time and then, uh, he came back, he kept it moving oh, that's so funny, and anyway, at that point after, and then the movie started and like people were still coming in and I was like let's just go.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: You know like we did it, I did it, we pulled it off now, we can just go.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: How did you feel in that moment?
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: relief that we made it out alive.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I think she also was like, as we were leaving, they're going to be checking us again.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: The cops are right there.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I was like it's over.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I think we're good jail cells in my future exactly her heart was like I can't take this.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know sometimes how I signed up for this life so imagine when I started this this was all.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: It's also it's like is this one of those movie theater situations?
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Like we'll pull it off, it'll be fine.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: No, and you did sometimes just got to like jump and then make sure the parachute works on the way down.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: How'd that conversation go?
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: It was multiple conversations over a long, over several weeks and months and stuff.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: And then, um, over several weeks and months and stuff.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: And then, yeah, I remember she was like you didn't even like okay, show me a business plan, Show me this laid out.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Like you didn't even show me this yet, I was like I don't have that figured out yet, but we're going, we're going for it.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Funny.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: You say that we had to do a project in school where you get partnered.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: You pick your partner and you design a business plan.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for a pt practice.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we did it together, actually, and they're like design a thing, and we were living in new jersey at the time, but I was like we're gonna make one in jupiter, florida, no, and it's gonna be a cash-based practice probably very.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: You probably still have it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: We should let.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, I definitely have it somewhere.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: You probably laugh at it, you know us naive, like last year pt school being like I think we'll charge like this much an hour, or like having no idea what reimbursement's like or what it costs to get insurance.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: And then she's like sounds great, a plus next it was it was like a subscription pt.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: It was a subscription pt model because my dad does like some soft subscription software and I was like hey dad, can you give me some insider tips on how we should make our practice run better for school and stuff?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: That's funny.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I remember doing that one.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I did it with the guys in the class.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Who did you do yours with?
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: Not a clue.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: There's lots of blurs in my past.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Lots of blurs.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: The other question they were asking, or I was asking them too, was like we did a lot of intramural sports together, playing a lot of undergrad kids at Miami and stuff Soccer player of course.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: So she did soccer and then volleyball.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: She played volleyball also in high school, so we played some volleyball together, beach volleyball, yeah, flag football, flag football yeah, that's not really fair.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, so one, if you were the other team.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: You'd walk up and say T-Sport college athlete Division I, volleyball player and now he's spiking on 19-year-old kids' heads.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: And he's 6'6" there was one time he spiked someone in the face and they were like they shut down the game pretty much they were like this is over.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: If they were like they shut down the game pretty much.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: They're like this is over thank you.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, it hurt, it hurt.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: It hit her in the chest.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: It was not on purpose, but it like they were done.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: It was a hard hit and like it hit straight on and I was like what do you want me to?
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Do like I, just 110 percent or like or not, but anyway she was mad, they were all mad, and then we kept playing and then we won.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Were you intramural champions.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: A few things.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: He has a list, His memory of these sports going back to high school.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: He can tell you play by.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: Play on this down on this game on.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: December 23rd at 12 pm.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: He knows what happened and the ref, who didn't, you know, make the call or something, not held me on this one, yeah no, I don't think you kind of not as, not as good as what you're describing it feels like that, but intramurals was um, it was a big.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: It was a big thing for me in grad school.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I wasn't ready to like not do sports be competitive yeah and um, yeah, I won nine championships.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Um, count the rings five one one every semester for nine semesters.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: The handfuls of you know basketball, flag football, volleyball.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Those are the two, those are the three, the big ones because I didn't really play soccer, soccer, soccer wasn't my thing, but a moment that I remember between us is flag football and we beat the ref team.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: It was like a rival team.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: They were good.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: They were good.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: They were the ones that would be the ref for the other intramural sports and stuff and they had a team.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: So they were into it, obviously, and they had some good athletes, but we beat them.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: But there was a play where she had a.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: She had, like this tip interception.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: She was playing middle linebacker, like a linebacker role, and she read the defense, read the offense and she, you know, anticipated a throw, made a, made a dart, uh, run towards it, bounced off and then she, like, had an interception, the key moment, and we hugged each other.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that wasn't, that was uh, it was fun, that's awesome and he was like oh hug, finally hug we earned it.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: We've crossed the line, were you dating at that point in time?
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: no, oh, so it was a friendly hug that was spring semester of that first year, because we didn't start dating until the first semester of second year, which would have been like the summer summer of 2013 and why were you dragging your feet again?
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: We were dating other people.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: She says that to me all the time.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: That's why I had to ask.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: You know it took three years, four months and seven days.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Do you remember our first?
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Like the first time it was like this is like a date.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: No.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I think it.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I think it was a movie.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: If I have to, probably yeah, because I know we went out like with a group of people and that's when feeney was like hey, you know what it calls single.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Do you like want me to help?
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, please don't like I got this please don't help me, I like just relax, like we'll figure it out.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: You know, make it organic.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: But that was that group.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: We went to Sandbar, we line danced a little bit, oh.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Nice, you saw his moves, is that it?
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: For sure he's got the moves.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I'm hearing a dance off between Matt and Kyle.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone wants to see that.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm hearing A line dancing.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Outside of the two of you in this room.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone, anyone, would want that yeah.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: Although we'll pass oh circle back on that We'll circle back.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: We'll put that in our back pocket, yeah we'll put it in that one but one last point before we land the plane, Anything else.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: You wanted to like a funny story or something.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: I have one more question for you guys.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Sure, so you guys worked together too, like relatively out of school, right?
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: We did I was going to say, yeah, how did that, how was that it?
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: was fun.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say what was that like yeah, it was cool Lunches together commuting all that stuff we're just getting that now for the first time and it's I'm enjoying it very much so far, yeah.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: I think ours was a little different.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: Like we didn't have it was so go with the flow, and like we didn't have the same schedule.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: So we didn't even have lunch at the same where we were.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Just like peace, hey you know during the day.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Like you and your patient, me and my patient.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Like I see you, like if somebody said something or did something, we could look across the room and like do an internal laugh you know, yeah, yeah, make eye contact Right, but that was the extent of it, because we just didn't get to interact that much.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: But, it was nice to just like know he was there.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it was.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: it was that was fun, so that that that um, yeah, that dynamic was fun.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Before that when houston we we worked like a mile apart from each other in different companies so we'd go home.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: There's a stint where we had the same lunch time and we would go home and to our apartment and have a lunch together oh nice every day and that was fun and did you guys work together when you moved back to florida from houston for a little bit?
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: That was a time we were together, and that was only like six months, maybe eight months, I think it was eight months.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: October to May, when I quit.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: How'd that go for you?
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Who quit first?
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: It was two weeks apart from each other.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: Coincidentally Not planned, totally not planned.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: He had decided he was going all in on each other.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: Coincidentally, not planned, totally not planned.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: He had decided he was going all in on the business.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: I had interviewed for a teaching position and, like months prior, they're like yes, you got it.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: And it took months for them to actually be able to get the contract rolling.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: And so I had just heard back from them like yes, you're in.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: And so when we both put in our two weeks, it looked terrible I was gonna say because when I did it it was a few months ahead of her yeah and when I did it, they were not happy yeah but when she did it it was like kind of like all right, we saw this one coming yeah he definitely took like the brunt of everything and then I was just like, oh yeah, I'm gonna also slide out yeah, he went first too and they were.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: They were like yep, sounds good.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they were pissed with her oh, she was opposite to you, yeah, yeah like you should have more time.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: Like it's not professional but again it was like not it, we did not mean that to be that way.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: In any means, yeah, of course we wanted.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, we wanted to be professional.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: This is just the best thing for us right now to make moves and then try to keep everything super professional and nice civil.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes things happen and then what is it?
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: That was 2019.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: So six and a half years later now, here we are with three kids.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you blinked right yeah.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: It's crazy man, it's crazy Awesome.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll have to get you guys on again and like share more stories and stuff and share some insights on PT stuff and your guys' rationales and how to treat you know your specific people.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: And Nicole too.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: We got her.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I know Our inside on it Our celebrity guest.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Celebrity.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: But anyway, if you have any questions listeners out there, any comments, questions concerns conflicting opinions don't hesitate to reach out.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: We're always open to different opinions and thoughts and suggestions for podcast topics and if you already have any pain or anything that you want to reach out, the best way to reach us is probably our phone number at 561-899-8725.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: And we'll catch you all next time.