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Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags - “Mostly Peaceful”?! Simona Mangiante Papadopoulos Challenges the Media’s Europe Riots Narrative · Salem Podcast Network

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: The unrest happening in Europe right now is still going on.
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: And they're not telling us the truth. We're seeing businesses,
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: over 3,000 businesses gone just in France. Then we're seeing
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: in Milan, Italy and Bologna. There are some issues there too.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to Italy right now for my good friend,
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  Speaker 1: Simona Mangiante Papadopoulos. She is there. She is seeing what's
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: going on. And I'm so glad that you're here with
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: us today. Let me tell you what the American media
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  Speaker 1: is telling us and the global media is telling us.
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  Speaker 1: that there were a bunch of high school students that
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: were unhappy with the opportunities they're getting at school, and
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  Speaker 1: that's why they're raising their voices in mostly peaceful protests. Simona,
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  Speaker 1: are they telling us the truth, or is that a lie?
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  Speaker 2: No. This is a sort of Soros operation, a brainwash machine.
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: They are trying to spread misinformation again. Who believes a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of students going and breaking into the stores in Milan,
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  Speaker 2: stealing stuff they probably don't need, and looking everything but Italian?
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  Speaker 2: This is an issue that is caused by very bad
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  Speaker 2: policies of the European Union, starting from mass migration, and
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  Speaker 2: ending up with the Ukraine-Russia war and the price of energy.
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  Speaker 2: They're telling you a bunch of lies, and we get
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  Speaker 2: into that as soon as you want, but it's so
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  Speaker 2: much to tell about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you warned me not very long ago about what
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  Speaker 1: was going on in Milan. You said Milan doesn't look
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  Speaker 1: like Italy anymore. It looks like Northern Africa. Is there
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  Speaker 1: some reason why all of those illegal migrants or migrants,
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  Speaker 1: whatever they're calling them, from Northern Africa went right to Milan?
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  Speaker 1: Why was that the city they went to?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, I think this is part of
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  Speaker 2: an agenda. They want the end of Europe and we
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  Speaker 2: are seeing an invasion of Europe. You're right. We've been
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  Speaker 2: talking about that so many times on your show, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: And you know how many times I've been telling you
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  Speaker 2: that I don't feel safe in my own country. Milan
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  Speaker 2: has become unrecognizable. And I studied, I worked in Milan
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  Speaker 2: in the past. Right now, the only place in Italy
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  Speaker 2: I feel safe in is Naples. I'm telling you, not
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  Speaker 2: even Rome. And this is for one reason, is that
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  Speaker 2: there is this massive agenda to destroy Italian economy, to
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  Speaker 2: destroy Europe identity. And they want to make of Italy
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  Speaker 2: something like France. And you see what's going on in
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  Speaker 2: France as well. So all we have seen is assisting
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  Speaker 2: to a mass migration, this stupid good heart policies of inclusions.
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  Speaker 2: They brainwashed with everything and nothing, you know, like people
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  Speaker 2: couldn't even claim their identity, their Christian roots without being
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  Speaker 2: labeled as something else. But we have seen this script
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  Speaker 2: in the United States. Thanks God, President Trump stopped it.
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  Speaker 2: He closed the borders and he did it very energically.
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  Speaker 2: Here we are looking at the aftermath of what we
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  Speaker 2: have been discussing on your show so many years before.
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  Speaker 2: You remember when we talked about the inflation and the
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  Speaker 2: economic crisis? Of course. Well, I always told you one thing,
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  Speaker 2: that when Europe, in particular Italy and all the European
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  Speaker 2: member states, imposed sanctions on Russia and stopped buying gas
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  Speaker 2: from Russia, this was going to backfire so bad on
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  Speaker 2: our economies because Russia is our first gas provider. And honestly,
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  Speaker 2: there is absolutely nothing we can justify that. about such
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  Speaker 2: bad policies other than we're following Joe Biden policies at
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  Speaker 2: the time. So, you know, there's been a societal pattern
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  Speaker 2: of the globalist agenda taking over. There is a name
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  Speaker 2: to this globalist agenda. It's called Ursula von der Leyen,
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  Speaker 2: who only today was actually trying to scare People in
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  Speaker 2: Europe saying that Russia was about to attack France or
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  Speaker 2: Italy or was about to expand its expansionistic ambitions to
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  Speaker 2: go invade other countries. All this narrative has been proved wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And yet instead of negotiating what's in the best interest
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  Speaker 2: of European citizens, here we are back. allowing this agenda
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  Speaker 2: to take place, we allowed so many migrants in a
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  Speaker 2: moment where economy started to collapse. So imagine the overlap
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  Speaker 2: of the two. Mass migration from one side and the
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  Speaker 2: other side, very bad decision that collapsed our economy. There's
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  Speaker 2: not even food in the supermarkets anymore. Today I was
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  Speaker 2: shopping with my mother at the supermarket. I couldn't find bananas, milk.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't find anything. Can you believe that? I don't
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  Speaker 2: think this news came to the United States because mainstream
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  Speaker 2: media are so corrupt And they wanted to believe that
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  Speaker 2: there is a mass of students that they go in
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  Speaker 2: the Plaza Milan and start to break into Versace store
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  Speaker 2: and taking bags. No, this is something we have seen
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  Speaker 2: with Black Lives Matter in America. This is how these
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  Speaker 2: agendas operate. That's the way they actually act. And I
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  Speaker 2: see this script in a different way, you know, repeating here.
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  Speaker 1: Simone Maggiangia Papadopoulos joining us from Italy right now. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you staying up later. What's interesting is we've not
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  Speaker 1: heard about any missing bananas or no food or the
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  Speaker 1: grocery store is empty. We have not heard about that
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  Speaker 1: at all here, and I wish that they would report
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  Speaker 1: it honestly. When it comes to what's going on with
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  Speaker 1: the uprising, the first question has to be, did Maloney
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  Speaker 1: shut the border? Is she still allowing mass migration from
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  Speaker 1: northern Africa into Lampedusa and then into the rest of Italy?
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  Speaker 1: Is that still going on? Because she talks tough, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if she's closed the border, has she?
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  Speaker 2: No, actually, what she's doing now is to deploy military
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  Speaker 2: in Milan. But this is like curing a symptom, not
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  Speaker 2: going to the source. And she has done nothing to
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  Speaker 2: contain this mass migration. We have seen what happened a
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  Speaker 2: few months ago just in Spain. And this looks like
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  Speaker 2: an invasion. We are not at home anymore, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And Meloni is responsible for Italy as much as other
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  Speaker 2: leaders in Europe. They're all going through the same agenda
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  Speaker 2: that wants Europe to never be the same again. I'm
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  Speaker 2: telling you, Europe in five years from now will be
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  Speaker 2: impossible to live in. And all these students, trust me,
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  Speaker 2: the real Italian students are there, home, studying. At the most,
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  Speaker 2: some of them are brainwashed to take part in some
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  Speaker 2: manifestation in the street. But none of the people I
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  Speaker 2: have seen breaking into the stores today look like Italian students.
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  Speaker 2: Trust me.
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  Speaker 1: And listen, you're right about that. That's not you stereotyping anybody.
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  Speaker 1: We know what Italians look like. We know what Frenchmen
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  Speaker 1: look like. And at this point, you've got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people who you know that are either children of
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: migrants or they're migrants themselves or illegal immigrants, whatever we
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  Speaker 1: want to call them. Why is it so much worse
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  Speaker 1: in France? Do you know? Now, those watching and listening
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  Speaker 1: who listen to my show a lot know that you
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  Speaker 1: speak five languages. You're an attorney. You're an actress. You're
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  Speaker 1: an interviewer. You have a better handle on what's happening
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  Speaker 1: in the EU than any of us will ever have.
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  Speaker 1: Do you watch any of the French language newscasts? Do
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  Speaker 1: you know what they're saying about what's going on? Why
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  Speaker 1: is it 550,000 to 800,000 people in France that completely
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  Speaker 1: are overrunning Paris? Why is it so much worse there?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I watched the news in France and there is
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  Speaker 2: something really, a big distinction we have to make between
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  Speaker 2: France and Italy is that while Italy, this process of
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: losing its culture and opening up its borders started recently,
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  Speaker 2: relatively recently. In France, this is a process that is
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  Speaker 2: already established. You go to Paris today, you don't find
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  Speaker 2: any French people. You have lonely voices like Marine Le
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: Pen that try to call to the sense of identity
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  Speaker 2: that France has lost a long time ago. And to
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  Speaker 2: the very few French people that still live in France,
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  Speaker 2: that if you go and look into Paris and look
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  Speaker 2: in the south of France right now, look anywhere in France,
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  Speaker 2: There is a change of culture. They took over. This
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  Speaker 2: invasion happened already. So you have all this bunch of
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  Speaker 2: people that now they just want more and more. You know,
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  Speaker 2: a few years ago they were protesting because they want
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  Speaker 2: the right to profess Islam and, you know, to kill
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  Speaker 2: people that are Jewish or to kill Christian people in
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  Speaker 2: Christian schools and Jewish schools. That's what we're doing already
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  Speaker 2: years ago. Today, they want more. Today, they feel home,
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  Speaker 2: which is the worst that can happen. Today, these people
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  Speaker 2: feel literally home, and they want to be taken care
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  Speaker 2: of from the French nation, the French state. And that's
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  Speaker 2: why they participate into these violent riots. There is not
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  Speaker 2: a hint of French culture still in France today. And
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  Speaker 2: you will see it just walking around Paris, not necessarily
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  Speaker 2: even to watch their TV, which is, for me, absolutely disturbing. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: France became the leading loser country in Europe to me.
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  Speaker 1: Really? So it's worse in France than it is anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: I saw somebody from Poland yesterday say, if you try
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  Speaker 1: to do that here, we will shoot and kill you
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  Speaker 1: at the border. We will not let you in. For
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  Speaker 1: some reason, Europe, the European Union doesn't want to do
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. They don't want to step up and say, OK,
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  Speaker 1: although there aren't really that big a border between the
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: European countries, there's certainly going to be a border. So
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  Speaker 1: you can't come from northern Africa. There's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a border. If you come here, you don't have your
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: proper paperwork. I don't know why they're not doing that.
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  Speaker 1: But instead, what I'm hearing and tell me if I'm wrong,
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: you're there. I'm not. It sounds like Great Britain or
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: the UK wants to rejoin the European Union. Is that true?
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's true.
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• 9:05
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  Speaker 2: They're crazy. They're just like this political agenda taking over
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  Speaker 2: massive propaganda, trying to oppose the race of populist parties
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  Speaker 2: in Europe, all over Europe. Because, of course, the common
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  Speaker 2: sense people want this to stop and the common sense
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  Speaker 2: leaders are raising up. So we have this counter wave
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  Speaker 2: of crazy, brainwashed people, suicidal people that feel like, OK,
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: we need some advantage from the European Union. We see
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: European Union, Serb, England better than before, because the moment
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: England exited the European Union, you already had a lot
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: of Pakistani living there, a lot of, you know, people
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: from India, Muslim. It was already the mayor of London,
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: like the mayor of New York now was a Muslim. Now,
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: nothing against the Muslim people and nothing against any of them.
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  Speaker 2: I have a problem when they try to come over
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  Speaker 2: and impose their rules, their, you know, their traditions.
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  Speaker 1: They change the culture.
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: Try to conflict with us. That's all I have to say.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a racist, of course. I'm just saying common sense.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: You are a host. As myself in America, you know,
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: I am extremely grateful to respect their laws.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. You and I would not go
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: to the UAE or to Saudi Arabia or to Yemen
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  Speaker 1: and say, okay, you all have to be Christian now.
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  Speaker 1: We wouldn't do that. We wouldn't try to do that.
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  Speaker 1: For some reason, those who are coming from Northern Africa
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: and from Pakistan and from all the other countries that
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: we're talking about, there are 57 Islamic countries. They're going
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: to westernize Western civilization countries, and they're saying, we're going
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: to block the London Bridge and pray. We're going to
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: block the streets and take over your businesses. There are people,
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: we saw video of them breaking into personal homes now
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  Speaker 1: and just taking whatever they want. There was an old
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: couple who was 70 or 80 years old who were
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: in the streets in their underwear. They stole their clothing.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: They stole all their money. They stole everything. And the
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: whole time, Macron is over at a concert watching Celine Dion.
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: So what is going on? What has to happen, Simona?
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: Can Le Pen, can the right wing, can more conservative
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  Speaker 1: people who love Western civilization rise up in Italy, in France,
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  Speaker 1: in other EU countries?
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a fake ideology behind all that. You know,
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: Macron thinks to be a socialist in the old-fashioned sense
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: of it. They pretend to flaunt this sense of inclusion,
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  Speaker 2: which is, of course... It translated in denial of your roots,
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  Speaker 2: going against your tradition, going against your identity. And here
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: we have his first lady, Brigitte Macron, who just like...
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: poisoning him with all this bunch of brainwashed, you know,
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: so-called ideology. Somebody wrote on Twitter today was laughing. I
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: wish she was really a man. So at least she
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: had some balls to do something correct about it. You know,
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: there was something that resonated with me. But the problem,
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: you know, going back to having some attributes here is
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: We are weak. So I don't blame these people for
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: taking over and disrespect us. We are weak. Can you
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: just imagine to have people coming in your home and
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  Speaker 2: let them set the rules?
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: No, I live in Texas.
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: All you racists, if you say, listen, this is who
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I live in Texas, so I have guns.
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  Speaker 1: And they can't come into my home and make me
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  Speaker 1: change anything. But you make a very good point. First
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: of all, you meant that she has basketballs. You wish
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: that she had basketballs. Having said that... Is there an uprising?
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  Speaker 1: We see Tommy Robinson in the UK, and there are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people who believe in what he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: And he's just saying, I love the United Kingdom. I
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: love England. I want it to be English culture. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want you to change it. It's not going to
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: be London, Stan. It's going to be London. You've got
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: Ant Middleton, who I don't know if you're familiar with.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: He might be running for mayor of London soon to
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: sort of start taking that back. Is there that sort
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  Speaker 1: of uprising in France? Is there that sort of nationalistic
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: uprising in Italy? Are people waking up to the fact
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  Speaker 1: that they're going to lose their country? if they don't
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  Speaker 1: do something? Well, there are a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of people who talk a lot and do nothing.
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  Speaker 2: We have a right-wing leader like Giorgia Meloni, who did actually,
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  Speaker 2: when you look at Italy, when she came into power
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  Speaker 2: and you look at Italy now, Italy is so much worse.
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  Speaker 2: We have, you know, the situation is exactly the opposite
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  Speaker 2: of what she promised to fix. And of course, every
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: leader of the single member state blame Europe, but they
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: don't have the courage to exit the European Union or
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: to renegotiate some of the condition access. Now, we have
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: in Italy other raising voices in the populist movement. This general, Banasci,
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: who is very popular right now because he presents himself
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: as the gap in between what Giorgia Milani said and
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: what she hasn't done. And he says, I will be
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: the one who will do it. You have Marine Le
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Pen in France, but who these people talk to? You
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: have this candidate in London for mayor, but they're talking
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: to a minority. Now, in Italy, I think there is
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: still hope for a government to actually vote because people
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: are still fundamentally Italians. Cultural Italians, you know, ethnically Italians.
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  Speaker 2: The religion is a really strong cohesion element in Italy.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: But when you look at France and you look at England,
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: who do you think these people are going to be
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  Speaker 2: voted for? The demographic speaks louder than voters and an agenda.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, these countries are not France anymore, are not
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: England anymore. And when I, you remember when I predicted
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: you that France Europe would be in a terrible financial
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: crisis a few years after the war between Russia and
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Ukraine because of the policies we adopted here. Now I
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: predict you that in five years from now, Europe won't
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: look the same. We're actually losing Europe.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: We are.
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  Speaker 2: And it hurts because, you know, I'm European and I
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: love this country. I love this continent as well. So.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my people come from there, and again, you've got
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: a religious movement, an Islamist movement that wants to change
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  Speaker 1: Europe and make it Islamic. I mean, what was it,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: 600 years or something that Spain was Islamic, and you
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: had to have some sort of a rising up to
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: say we love our culture, we want our country back?
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  Speaker 1: I guess what I wonder is this. When you watch
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  Speaker 1: the local news at night, or even the national news
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  Speaker 1: at night in Italy— Are they telling you the truth?
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  Speaker 1: Are they also sort of doing the bidding of people
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  Speaker 1: like Soros? Hey, we should welcome everybody. We love everybody.
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  Speaker 1: It's an open country. You know, we have to have
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  Speaker 1: empathy for them. Are they starting to wake up and report? Listen,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the mass migration is why we're facing this in Italy
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: and in France and another. I'm hearing Albania is having
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: an issue now. This is why this is going on.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Are they telling you the truth? Are they lying like
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: they do here?
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: No, the mainstream media keep lying. They always portray a
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: reality that does not exist. But, you know, thanks God,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: we live in the era of social media. So people
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: post their videos, people share their commentary, and many people
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  Speaker 2: are waking up. People can see with their own eyes
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: what's going on, and people can share it with platform
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: of millions of viewers. Yes. The only good thing about
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: these agendas is that mainstream media is losing power. Thank God.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: But here comes the other problem we have in Europe
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: because mainstream media is losing power and because social media
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: is becoming so powerful in waking up people that there
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: is a terrible censorship. In some European countries, you can
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: literally go to jail for something that you post on X.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: That's how serious we are here in censorship.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: How does it work for you? Because you live there,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you're from there, but you also live here. You've got
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: a place here and you're an American now. How does
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: it work for you? If you post something that they
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: don't like, can they punish you simply because you're in
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the country? Well, I know they're doing it more in England.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: They're not really doing it. They're not doing it in
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Italy as much.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're doing it in England. But I mean,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: are they doing that in Italy, too? If you as
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: somebody who sort of goes back and forth between the countries,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: do you face the same sort of penalty from censorship?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I was shadow banned on Instagram. Actually, that's why
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: we're talking about followers. They suspended my monetization on some
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: platforms as well. So, yes, I faced some sort of
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: censorship and they asked me to take down, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: most of my political content. But here we go with
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: the other problem. Like, you know, you made an example
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: of me. You know, I'm a censor. Basically, my entire
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: center of interest in my life is based in United
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: States now. So, of course, I'm censored. I have a
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: family in Italy. We come to Italy many times. And
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I live in these two worlds at the same time.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to freedom of speech, I noticed
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: that there is a problem, which are regulations on the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: social media platform. They were trying to take down X,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: which is an American company in the United States, founded
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: by Elon Musk here in the European Union, because they
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: said that this was conflicting with the rules on, you know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: whatever they call misinformation, violent speech, whatever they consider violent
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: is actually the truth. So, yes, I face some censorship
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: for sure. I don't know if this is because I
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: live in between, you know, United States and Europe, but
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's also because they're the line between what
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: you can do and what you can't do in the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Europe social media where It's not like exporting a bottle
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: of wine. You're exporting information, and information is viral, goes viral.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: So how can you– you can take off X. You
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: can take off TikTok or other social media platform, but
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: then you start to be China. It's what it would
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: look like they're going towards.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Let me finish with this, and I always appreciate the
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: time and the access. Thank you for staying up later
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: in Italy. It's Simone Maggiante of Papadopoulos. Simona underscore Mangiante
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: underscore over on Instagram. Go follow her on X at
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Simona Mangiante. She does a great job. Amazing, amazing woman
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to follow. Go and follow her right now. Let me
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: finish with this. You're one of my favorite voices when
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: it comes to Ukraine. Right now. Vladimir Zelensky is acting
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: like a little punk. And I can say that, and
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I feel comfortable saying that, because he seems to be
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: targeting the Russian refineries when it comes to diesel and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: oil and other things. And I think he's trying to
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: hurt Trump in the midterms. I really do think that. Now,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I still think Russia did the wrong thing by going
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: to Ukraine. I think that they've got to end that conflict.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: It started because Biden and Harris were weak. All of
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that said, Zelensky is not the right guy. He's not
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: allowing for any elections in his country. We had elections
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: in the United States during the Civil War. We didn't
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: stop elections because of that, but he won't let an
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: election happen there. He thinks that we owe him more
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: money and more weaponry, and he's like a thorn in
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: the side of President Trump. How is this thing going
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: to work out? Do you have any access to the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Ukrainian people? Do they like this guy? I mean, if
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: he did an election, would he win, do you think?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: No, actually, Joe, you hit the point. The Ukrainian people
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: have expressed to Zelensky to do not even present himself
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: again to the next election. So obviously, they're not happy
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: to be dragged into a war where all this money
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: coming from the United States and the European Union is
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: mostly feeding a bunch of new oligarchs. You know, people
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: in Ukraine are starving. The situation has never been worse,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: and they don't see anything improved. But for some reason,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Zelensky is drifting off this war. And we have seen
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: also investigation on that. misappropriation of these aids, financial aids
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: to Ukraine from the so-called war. So, you know, Donald Trump,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: President Trump has a very pragmatical approach to this. We
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: know recently he started to buy again gas from Russia, right?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: While European Union is still stuck with their sanctions and
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the aftermath of the sanction, which is the financial crisis, inflation,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: and that every single sector of the economy here has collapsed.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: So now they don't know what to do because they
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: followed the United States under Biden, but now Donald Trump
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: is getting a completely different direction because again, is not
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: having somebody like Zelensky dictating United States foreign policy, let
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: alone being America his personal ATM. And that's how Zelensky
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: and Ukraine look at America. But with a strong leader
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: like Donald Trump, this game is over. He knows it.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: And of course, I agree with you, he's trying to
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: jeopardizing in the midterm election.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Is there a feeling in Europe that this thing can
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: end soon? I don't think Russia is going to just say,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: we don't want anything. They think that they deserve some land.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: They think that land is Russian. It's all Russian speaking
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and ethnically Russian. They think it's their land. Anyway, Ukraine
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: for those watching and listening before you tell me that
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I hate Ukraine, I don't, but Ukraine for centuries has
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: been in the hands of different people. I don't even
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: know if it's a real country half the time. So
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: how is this going to end? And does it look
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: like we're getting close to, to where this is going
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: to come to some sort of a settlement?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Well, so I don't believe that we are anywhere close
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: to the end of it. First and foremost, because as
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: you said, Russia has its claims. When the longest it lasts,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the most difficult is to find the middle ground. Because,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: of course, after so many losses in people and money,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you know, people are not just giving up their expectation. Now,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the real problem here is that everyone... And the Western
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: world is supporting Ukraine. And, you know, at some point,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: let them fight alone. I mean, I might sound crazy brutal,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: but it's come the time we should step away from
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: this unconditional defense of Ukraine. There is not much to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: defend anymore over there. And I think if after so
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: much support, Ukraine still can prevail, maybe Russia is stronger
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: than we think. And I know that people criticize me
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: for that, but we have to understand we're going forward
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: in a multipolar world where making world Russia is completely suicidal.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And it's, you know, only a businessman, a smart man,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: somebody is not moved by stupid ideologies. So just to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: see that he's a good guy, he has a big heart,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: it's Donald Trump. So, you know, just borrow from him
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: some art of the deal and make it the way
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: to world peace.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you've got to make a deal because
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: you're right. Russia will not lose to Ukraine. I don't
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: know if Russia is going to win. This might go
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: on for 30 years, but Russia is not going to
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: lose because they've got that many more people. They've got
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: that many more weapons. They will win by attrition if
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: they have to. And I don't want any more Ukrainians
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: to die. I don't want any more Russians to die,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: but they never should have gone in. They have to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: come to some sort of a settlement now. But every
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: time you hear that we're getting close, it sounds like
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Zelensky is the one that's saying no. What does he want?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: He just thinks Russia is just going to leave? The
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: EU is not jumping in. NATO is not jumping in.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: We're not jumping in. So by himself, he can't win.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm not rooting on Russia. I'm just being honest.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I'm being somebody who's going to tell the truth. Is
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: it just about him? If he just says, all right,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: let's have them vote in those Donbass and see if
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: they want to go and be part of Russia. And
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: if they say yes, Russia gets it. If they say no,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Russia doesn't get it. And then maybe we can end
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: this thing. Is the problem only Zelensky?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Well, my opinion about it is that he doesn't want
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: this war to end because it's too big of a grift.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: And I might sound brutal right now.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: So he would be out of power and he loses
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: power and money.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's literally a feeding, you know, a bunch of
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: new oligarchy in Ukraine for these aides and for what?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, we haven't seen an accounting for everything that's received.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: The only accounting we have seen is personal enrichment with
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: villas in Italy, villas in South of France and some
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: other in Florida. So why we are keeping doing that?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: And I agree with you, nobody's siding with Russia or Ukraine,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: but we should also understand this is... you know, relatively
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: our problem, and we should at some point step away
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: from what doesn't serve our interests, our taxpayers, and everything
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: that should be focused on us. And this is valuable
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: for the United States and also for the European Union.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: We're literally collapsing. You know, many people say, oh, no, no,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the problem with the gas prices and the problem with
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: the energy is because of Iran. No, it's not because
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: of Iran. It's because of this conflict between Russia and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Ukraine that You don't have side effects in a few months.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: It takes years to hit as hard as it hits
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Europe right now. Right. So people are really blind. Misinformation
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: is massive, and they're easy to manipulate. Okay? So now
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: they blame it on Iran. There's nothing to do with it, really.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Not right now.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Are the European people talking about Ukraine anymore? In America,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: as you know, nobody's talking about it. It's almost like
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it's not happening. Nobody even cares. Right. I mean, if
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you say, what do you think about the Ukraine war?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: They'll say, yes, Russia's bad. Ukraine should not have been attacked, whatever.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: But nobody's walking around all day worried about Ukraine. You
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: guys are so much closer to it there in Europe.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Are people just in their everyday lives thinking about or
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: talking about Ukraine?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, because half of the Ukrainian population now
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: live here.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, did they really? They came there, huh? I didn't
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: know that.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: We have so many Ukrainians right now. We have Ukrainian markets.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: We have Ukrainian everything. And, you know, some of them
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I spoke with, they feel deeply Russian. They even pro-Putin.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: That's the crazy part of it. You know, that's not
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: even about picking sides.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Ukrainians that went to
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Italy are on Russia's side?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: What? Some of the people have been- That's crazy. Yes, completely, actually, completely. Actually,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: this friend of mine here in Italy, her entire family
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: decided to move to Russia, and she is there saying
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: how brainwashed people are, how corrupt this administration is. Of course,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about some people I've been talking with. Some
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: other people probably they're brainwashed to believe. But anyway, they
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: found a better life here. They're absolutely amazing. And, you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: they're great people. They don't cause any problem. They're Christians.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: You know, these type of people are amazing. I love
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: them here. They don't cause any problems, just so to say. But, yes,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: they remind us every day that something has changed in Europe. And, yes,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: this is great.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: So if the war ends, would they go back? Or
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: do you think they'll stay in other parts of Europe?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I think they love to stay here. Really? Italy is
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: one of everyone's favorite countries. But as I said, they're
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: good people. They're not causing any problems. They learn the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: language very fast. They work. They're educated. They're just like
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Russian people.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: The Ukrainian language and the Italian language, they're not anywhere
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: near each other, right? Aren't they very, very different?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: They are. No, not zero, but, you know, to integrate
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: most of them, when they came here in asylum, they
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: started to learn the language. And some of them speak
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: it right now very well. And I see them in
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: any business, I see them working. You know, Europe has
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: changed pace. And it's okay. This is okay. I mean,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I believe they would prefer rather be in their own
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: country than having to be here or anywhere else. Many
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: of them are in Poland as well. But it's different
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: having migration. To me, religion is a big factor of it, really.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: When you share the same values, Christian values... You know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: there is no clash. It's much easier to integrate.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that I'm against other religions. Of
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: course I'm not. I'm just saying that everyone should live
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: according to their own values, where these values belong. 100%.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And if you want to come to our country, or
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: if you want to go to Italy, you want to
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: go somewhere else, you have to acclimate. Look, the saying
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: used to be, when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: For some reason, that's not a saying anymore. When in Rome,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: do anything you want. When in London, you can shut
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: down the bridge and have 200 people praying to Mecca.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: It's all very strange. If you want a better life,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: If you're going to a better place than where you
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: came from, kiss the ground like my grandfather did. Kiss
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the ground and say, thank God we're in the new land,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and we will do all we can to make this
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a great country. The people that are going to Italy
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and going to France and going to the United States
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: right now from these different cultures, they want to bring
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: that horrible culture here. If it was so good where
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: you were, why not stay where you were, you know? True.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I'm telling you something about that really
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: bothers me. In Italy, women are sacred. And, you know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: because we have the big concept of family, you're always
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: somebody's mother, somebody's sister, somebody's daughter, right? Yeah. So you
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: never hear about rapes or this kind of horrific things
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: against women here. It's very rare. But since this migration
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: happened and, you know, they say, oh, no, you shouldn't
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: be racist. That's not racism. It's data. You know, people
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: from this country. Right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: It's really happening.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Right. To the point that this old lady in Milan,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: like an eight-year-old lady, has been raped and sent to
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the hospital by a Tunisian guy of 30 years old. Now,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: tell me, what is crossing the mind of this guy? Yeah,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: of course, he's crazy. Of course, he's a criminal. But still,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: he's not Italian. That's a common denominator of all these
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: people doing these things. They are not Italian. So, I'm sorry.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I'm not allowing these people to stay in my home
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and rape our grandmothers as well.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, no, it's disgusting. Simona Mangiante Papadopoulos, go follow her,
• 31:07
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• 31:11
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• 31:14
  Speaker 1: great every time. Incredible information that we're not getting here
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: on this side of the Atlantic Ocean. So I appreciate
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: your knowledge and your friendship. Thank you so much, Simona.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe. Thank you.
• 31:23
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