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Ross Fulton Analysis: How Ohio State Beat Notre Dame In 2022 · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: With the National Championship Game now less than a week away,
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  Speaker 1: we know you guys are probably looking for as much
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  Speaker 1: content as you can get, and so we are going
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  Speaker 1: to dip back into our archives take a look at
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  Speaker 1: some of the previous Ohio State Notre Dame matchups, starting
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  Speaker 1: with the twenty twenty two game at Ohio Stadium. Buckuys
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  Speaker 1: won that one twenty one to ten. I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: go back and let you hear the Ross Fulton schematic
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  Speaker 1: breakdown from after that game. It's not obviously an exact
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  Speaker 1: one to one with this year's team. You're gonna hear
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  Speaker 1: some names that will not be playing in this year's
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  Speaker 1: National Championship Game, but definitely some similar schematic themes, some
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  Speaker 1: common themes in terms of coaches and coordinators. So there's
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  Speaker 1: definitely thought there's some value here. So here it is
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two Ohio State Notre Dame schematic breakdown
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  Speaker 1: from Ross Fulton. One of the best parts of football
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  Speaker 1: season being back, other than football season being back, is
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  Speaker 1: that it means we now have a weekly visit with
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  Speaker 1: our old buddy Ross Fulton. He is one of Buckeheadle's
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  Speaker 1: ex's and No's Gurus, Everyone's Smart Football Friend, always one
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  Speaker 1: of our most popular shows every week during the season.
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  Speaker 1: Ross's busy has been busy writing at Buckeye Huddle dot
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  Speaker 1: com this week, breaking down a lot of different stuff
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  Speaker 1: from the offense and the defense from the Notre Dame game.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about sort of a portion of
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  Speaker 1: that here today. You can find the whole article at
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  Speaker 1: Buckeye Huddle dot com. But Ross, thanks for being here.
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  Speaker 2: Happy to do with Tom so.
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  Speaker 1: I guess let's let's start with Jackson Smith and Jigba.
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  Speaker 1: He went out very early in the game. It felt
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  Speaker 1: like that just that kind of changed a lot about
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  Speaker 1: the Ohio State offense. I think people sort of thought
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  Speaker 1: that maybe just watching, and then you've heard players talk
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  Speaker 1: after the game and kind of this week and Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Day as well about how that changed what Notre Dame
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  Speaker 1: was doing. So how much did Notre Dame's defense really
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  Speaker 1: change what they were doing after Jackson Smith and Jigba
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  Speaker 1: went out? And then how did you know, how did
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  Speaker 1: that really impact their coverage on other receivers?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, in some ways it's even hard to
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  Speaker 3: like make it too declared of Salmon because he was
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  Speaker 3: basically out from the jump right, so you don't you
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  Speaker 3: only have a limited body with him in their healthy
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  Speaker 3: you could definitely tell that Not Dame had a plan
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  Speaker 3: to bracket or double cover him, and so when he
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  Speaker 3: was out they were able to not have to do that,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, play a lot more man coverage principles,
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  Speaker 3: and so obviously if you're going to bracket people, it
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  Speaker 3: takes away you know, it let lessons run support, It
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  Speaker 3: provides additional opportunities for the other wide receivers.
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  Speaker 2: So it makes quite a big impact.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's sort of you know, I almost think
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  Speaker 3: it's understated. Like when you lose one of the best
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  Speaker 3: players in the country, it has a big impact.
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  Speaker 1: Big if true, as they say on Twitter dot com.
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  Speaker 1: You know, over the years, something you know, in addition
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  Speaker 1: to taking away Jackson's put the Jigba through injury, something
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  Speaker 1: else was taken away from Ohio State, which was the
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  Speaker 1: crossing routes that we've seen them kind of make a
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  Speaker 1: lot of hay with over the years. What you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of a three parter. Number one, what
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  Speaker 1: did Notre Dame do to take those crossing routes away?
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  Speaker 1: Number two? Is that something the Buckeyes are going to
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  Speaker 1: see other teams do now moving forward, and probably most
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  Speaker 1: importantly number three. We always talk about how there's always
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  Speaker 1: a counter punch to whatever, you know, whatever someone else
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  Speaker 1: is doing, there's always an answer. So what is the
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  Speaker 1: CounterPunch to what Notre Dame did and what other teams
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  Speaker 1: may try and do moving forward?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, some of it was just missed opportunities,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the one that stands out is you know
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  Speaker 3: that that throws CJ shrouds behind a Mecca buca. You know,
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  Speaker 3: that was on a mesh crossing route and that would
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  Speaker 3: have been probably an easy touchdown if they completed it,
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  Speaker 3: but they weren't. You know, it didn't appear that they
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  Speaker 3: were quite on the same page in terms of him
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  Speaker 3: settling down. There was a guy sort of dropping off
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  Speaker 3: the running back at the end to turning in the
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  Speaker 3: passing lane.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 3: These what's called cover one cross quite a bit, so
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna have the playing cover one, but the opposite
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  Speaker 3: side safety is buzzing down into that hook curl zone
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  Speaker 3: and sort of again like bracketing that rossing receiver. You know, again,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to distinct distantangle like how much shows that
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame did versus like the guy that runs those
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  Speaker 3: routes often is you know, you're all American slot receiver
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  Speaker 3: and he was not there.
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  Speaker 2: So now you're.
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  Speaker 3: Putting you know, a Mecca Buka back into the slot
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  Speaker 3: where he probably spent most of the fall practicing outside.
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  Speaker 3: And then you could tell that maybe they decided to
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  Speaker 3: go to the opposite direction because I think they put
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  Speaker 3: the years Johnson the slot so that Abuka could go
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  Speaker 3: back outside.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, it definitely was effective.
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  Speaker 3: I mean teams have done this in the past, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like when Ohio State, for instance, like a couple of
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  Speaker 3: years ago, was running crossing routes all over Don Brown's
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  Speaker 3: defensive Michigan Like Don Brown called one cross and then
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  Speaker 3: like Ohio State countered by running fallow a pivot where
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  Speaker 3: you like look like you're gonna run crossing your outes
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  Speaker 3: and then you cut back outside and that led to
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  Speaker 3: like another kJ Hill touchdown there. So there are there
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  Speaker 3: are counters and you know, so you you definitely then
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  Speaker 3: sort of target more outside the hashes because you're now
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  Speaker 3: asking you know, for instance, like linebackers to be covering
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  Speaker 3: more out horizontally because you now have the safeties inside
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  Speaker 3: to bracket those crossing routs.
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  Speaker 1: One of the other things we've talked about in the
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  Speaker 1: past regarding the offense is the fact that Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: will get into some real tendencies, really fall into some
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  Speaker 1: very consistent tendencies with regard to running out of certain
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  Speaker 1: formations and passing out of certain formations. And it was
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  Speaker 1: like a very obvious tell at times last year that
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  Speaker 1: when they were in Pistol it was going to be
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  Speaker 1: a run an awful lot. So they you know, on Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: they were much more productive in the run game than
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  Speaker 1: they were in a bunch last year. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: part of that I think involved breaking some of those
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  Speaker 1: tendencies and being a little less predictable. Can you explain
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  Speaker 1: a little bit what they were doing last year, what
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  Speaker 1: they did last week and why that kind of makes
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  Speaker 1: makes a pretty big difference.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, as you said, I guess Pistol is the
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  Speaker 3: easiest example. You know, they were almost like one hundred
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  Speaker 3: run tendency out of Pistol, you know, like against Michigan,
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  Speaker 3: so that a lot of defenses obviously when they saw
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  Speaker 3: different formations counter so High State on Saturday had several
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  Speaker 3: you know, naked bootlegs, meaning that the quarterbacks faking the
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  Speaker 3: run and rolling out then the opposite attraction without a
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  Speaker 3: leading a lead block or pulling.
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  Speaker 2: To counter that.
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  Speaker 3: So you could see that they There was a few
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  Speaker 3: situations where I thought that they were trying to break tendencies.
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  Speaker 3: They used like a little counterplay with a wide receiver leading,
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  Speaker 3: so you could fake running, you know, zone away from
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  Speaker 3: the tight end and then back to them, so messing
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  Speaker 3: with where the tight end was, so definitely see them.
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  Speaker 3: I think that they did probably some self scouting in
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  Speaker 3: the off season and realized that the tendencies, particularly with
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  Speaker 3: regards to the run game, we're getting a little too
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  Speaker 3: too slanted, and so trying to break them. And as
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  Speaker 3: you said, that that should pay dividends down the road,
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  Speaker 3: particularly if they continue to lean into that and use
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more diversity in the run game.
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  Speaker 1: All right, that's enough of the offense. We have been
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  Speaker 1: talking about Jim Noles defense for nine straight months, and
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  Speaker 1: now we actually have a game to discuss, which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of a lot of fun. I mean, I've been
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to for a little while. Before we get
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  Speaker 1: into any specifics, can we just get sort of a
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  Speaker 1: top line evaluation on how much better was this year's
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  Speaker 1: defense than what you saw against kind of I mean,
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  Speaker 1: similarly tough opponents last year, I guess. And then how
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  Speaker 1: much of the improvement do you chalk up to Jim
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  Speaker 1: Knowles and just the schematic stuff as opposed to any personnel.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I would say a lot better, and I
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  Speaker 2: would probably I mean.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's nice that you have a lot of guys
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  Speaker 3: back with experience, but the vast you know, I would
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  Speaker 3: certainly say at least seventy five percent of it is
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  Speaker 3: a scheme, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So one thing that kind of surprised me was they
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  Speaker 1: really not never got out of four two five personnel
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  Speaker 1: that was that's Jim Knowles's base, chosen based defense is
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  Speaker 1: four two five. You just have the MIC and the
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  Speaker 1: will linebackers. They really didn't play the Sam at all much,
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  Speaker 1: if at all on Saturday against Notre Dame. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: that seemed like you might, you know, if you were
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  Speaker 1: going to see the Sam linebacker, it would seemingly be
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  Speaker 1: against a team like Notre Dame or you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: Iowa or you know, Wisconsin teams that are maybe going
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  Speaker 1: to be a little more run heavy, a little more
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  Speaker 1: tight end heavy than a lot of the teams are
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  Speaker 1: going to face this year. So how did they do that?
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  Speaker 1: How do you know? Why were they able to stay
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  Speaker 1: in four two five against Notre Dame and still be
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  Speaker 1: physical enough to basically shut that offense down for the
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  Speaker 1: last three quarters? Almost?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the real of the shortest answer is
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  Speaker 3: that he uses as safeties like linebackers. So like you're
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  Speaker 3: going to only play for Jim Knowles if you as
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  Speaker 3: a safety, if you're like willing to come up hard
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  Speaker 3: and fill the ride because the safeties a lot of
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  Speaker 3: times have gap responsibilities or have to clean clean up
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  Speaker 3: off the linebackers. So you know a lot of times
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  Speaker 3: you'll see a three high safety loft, but in essence,
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  Speaker 3: one of those safeties that's going to come down and
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  Speaker 3: be a linebacker and it's a four to three.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: State is fortunate to have safeties right now that that
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  Speaker 3: can do that pretty effectively.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: The other the other thing that stands out is like
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  Speaker 3: the big change from your past you saw it is
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  Speaker 3: like instead of trying to get penetration up front, the
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  Speaker 3: defensive line is doing what's called block destruction.
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  Speaker 2: So they're not trying to get pass blockers.
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  Speaker 3: They're taking on those blockers and creating stalemates at the
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  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. That allows the linebackers to fill a
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  Speaker 3: lot more aggressively and see the picture a lot clearer.
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  Speaker 3: And so and then the as I said, safeties and
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  Speaker 3: are aggressive off of that depending on the coverage cold
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  Speaker 3: and so you are, you know, leveraging the football much better,
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  Speaker 3: you're spilling it, You're you're limiting gap displacement. And and
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  Speaker 3: then you know, the other thing Nolas does is he
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  Speaker 3: consistently constantly changes who is responsible for what gap, both
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  Speaker 3: based on different formations, based on stunts and movement. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: and so as an offensive lineman, you know and run back,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's difficult to know. You're getting a much muddier
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  Speaker 3: picture than Ohio State presented in the past.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the block destruction. That's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a philosophical shift there on the defensive line. Another
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  Speaker 1: thing that kind of surprised me. On the field, I'm
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  Speaker 1: generally shooting pictures of you know, whoever the defensive end
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  Speaker 1: is on my side of the line before the snap, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there's a good picture of J T. Twomoloo or Zech
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  Speaker 1: Harrison or Tyler Friday or whoever, And all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at It's like, where's Mike Hall on the
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  Speaker 1: end of the line. When did they move him to
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  Speaker 1: defensive end? So what was what was Jim Knowles doing
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  Speaker 1: there with Mike Hall kind of way out over the tackle,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, how did how did that actually work
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  Speaker 1: out for him?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's much more of like a defensive tackle
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  Speaker 3: position and a odd front. So you know, they Knowles
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  Speaker 3: used quite a bit of a three down odd front
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  Speaker 3: where you had you know, i'd say not all the time,
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  Speaker 3: but most of the time you'd have Tron Vincent as
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  Speaker 3: the noseguard, head up over the center.
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  Speaker 2: Then you'd have j. T.
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  Speaker 3: Tumlow and Mike Hall as sort of what I would
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  Speaker 3: consider four eye techniques. I mean they're they're inside the tackles,
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  Speaker 3: so sort of between the guards and the tackle is
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  Speaker 3: more closer to the tackle. And then obviously you have
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  Speaker 3: Jack Sawyer as you know, the much discussed Jack Leo
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  Speaker 3: and so you know, most of the time he was outside,
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  Speaker 3: but there was a few plays where he basically became
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  Speaker 3: a three technique and turned the defense into like a
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  Speaker 3: four to three under by doing so, and again, you
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  Speaker 3: know there's a lot of movement off of that, you
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  Speaker 3: can create different gap fits. You know, you can have
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  Speaker 3: then free up your linebackers.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if they were pulling, the linebackers tended to
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  Speaker 3: follow the fullers, like if they were split blocking, having
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  Speaker 3: the tight ends blocked back, the safeties were following the safety.
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  Speaker 3: So you're not like just you're not shifting, You're like
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  Speaker 3: flat out moving with them. And so again, you know
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  Speaker 3: he's just his his goal is to make the picture
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  Speaker 3: muddy pre snaff for the offense.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Where so like each.
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  Speaker 3: Player has a specific responsibility that they can execute, but
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  Speaker 3: you don't necessarily know what you're going to get. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you can have safeties rolling up that are then dropping
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  Speaker 3: deep or vice versa. And so you know, the free
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  Speaker 3: snap look is not going to tell you necessarily what's
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  Speaker 3: going to happen to the staff. Which is a far
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  Speaker 3: cry from more High State app Federation seasons.
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  Speaker 1: But you mentioned the gap fits there, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: where I'm watching the game down on the field. It's
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  Speaker 1: a terrible place to watch in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, one thing that is really you really
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  Speaker 1: get a good sense of is the holes and the
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  Speaker 1: running lanes. And last year against Oregon, for example, I
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  Speaker 1: have lots of pictures of you know, an Oregon guy
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  Speaker 1: on one side of the frame, an Oregon guy on
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  Speaker 1: the other side of the frame, and then an organ
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  Speaker 1: running back or their quarterback just going you know through
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  Speaker 1: basically what looks like an interstate highway through the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the Ohio State defense with no buck eyes there.
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  Speaker 1: Last week just you didn't see that. You just there
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  Speaker 1: was there was always even when there was a hole,
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  Speaker 1: there was a you know, someone's arm or there's a
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  Speaker 1: player right there closing in. Why were the run fits
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  Speaker 1: so much better? Is that just you know, the block
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  Speaker 1: destruction coupled with better linebackers? What why is it better
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  Speaker 1: understanding of the defense by the players? What? Why was
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  Speaker 1: that so much better? What was the what do you
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  Speaker 1: chalk that apro improvement up to.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's the same linebackers, So I would
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  Speaker 3: say it's it's better linebacker technique.
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  Speaker 2: It's made possible.
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  Speaker 3: By you know, when you're when guys are when you
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  Speaker 3: have defensive linemen trying to get penetration, the problem is
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  Speaker 3: you can distort gaps if they get out of the gap,
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  Speaker 3: and then you have linebackers who don't have a clear
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  Speaker 3: picture who are hesitant.
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  Speaker 2: Here you are the linebackers, they are.
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  Speaker 3: The defensive linemen are taking on the offensive linemen and
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  Speaker 3: responsible for their gap. The linebackers know what their gap
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  Speaker 3: is and they are told to like attack it aggressively,
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  Speaker 3: Like in particular, you'd see it a lot with.
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  Speaker 2: He would Knowles would blitz.
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  Speaker 3: Or bring the will linebacker really aggressively to free up
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  Speaker 3: Tommy Eikenberg and Ronnie Hickman a lot of times one
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  Speaker 3: of the two or both to essentially like scrape free
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  Speaker 3: and level of.
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  Speaker 2: The play right.
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  Speaker 3: So you're like, you know another football term, lever smell lever,
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  Speaker 3: like you're going to force the football to this, You're
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  Speaker 3: going to create you know, force the football.
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  Speaker 2: On the slideline, then fill the alley, right. And so
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times you'd have.
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  Speaker 3: Like Eigenberger Hickman fill the alley, which is made possible
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  Speaker 3: by like the other guys up front essentially taking on
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  Speaker 3: the blocks and doing the dirty work and doing their job.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just much more of a defense that has.
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  Speaker 3: A specific goal in mind, which each each person sort
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  Speaker 3: of working towards the whole as opposed to like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this gap, but I'm going to try to beat my
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  Speaker 3: guy and see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Last question, We've talked a lot this week about the
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  Speaker 1: change from Josh Proctor to Lathan Ransom and how early
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  Speaker 1: that came in the game and how little you saw
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  Speaker 1: Proctor after that, and how well Ransom has played. He's
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  Speaker 1: someone we've kind of heard all sorts of positive stuff
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  Speaker 1: about for most to fall Camp, and then you kind
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  Speaker 1: of saw it in the game on Saturday. You wrote
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  Speaker 1: about how once they made that switch from Proctor Ransom
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  Speaker 1: that the three safeties who Ransom and Ronnie Hickman and
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  Speaker 1: Tanda McAllister are all kind of interchangeable in man coverage.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you mean by that? And then why
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  Speaker 1: is that? Why was that an important part of the
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  Speaker 1: game on Saturday?
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  Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, to stort it back up, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: regardless of what they say about like maybe it was
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  Speaker 3: aided by Proctor missing the block or by you know,
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  Speaker 3: him being out.
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  Speaker 2: Of his assignment.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I don't think they make that change without them
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  Speaker 3: having the thought to begin with that. Hey, we maybe
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  Speaker 3: Laythan Ransom has outperformed Gosh Procter, but we're going to
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  Speaker 3: give Proctor the first chance. That said, like you know
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  Speaker 3: to me, like just when you look at just by
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: body type, like Ransom is much more flexible and coverage,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: and so now you can for instance, you know, I
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: say it was using a lot of cover one and
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame likes moving their tight ends around, you know,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: back if Delly their spot block them, they will shift
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  Speaker 3: side of the formation. And when you have all three,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: you know what, Tanner Mercawser can act as equally as
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: the deep shafety as he can as like covering the slot,
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: and same thing with you know, Hickman and Ransom. You
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: can just rotate yourself so you don't need to like
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  Speaker 3: move guys around a bunch. It's just like, hey, Notre
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Dames the boundary, Ransom's up, Notre Dames to the field,
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Hickman's up, and so it just makes you're with The
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: more versatile you can be on defense, the easier it
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: is to adjust to what the offense is doing.
• 16:27
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