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GodTVRadio TTOR | Is Jesus God | Rich People Hell | Paul Meets God | Atheists don't read Bible · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Hello there, everyone. Welcome to God, TV radio.
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I am your host for the evening tto are.
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As you can see, I am not Brett keen and I'm just a little bit
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younger than Brett. But anyway, as you can see,
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also, I've played around with the overlay on screen.
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I decided to make something a little different, a little
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unique. Shall we say?
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I'm not used to Ryan. Alright.
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Stuff. But hey, it is what it is.
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Anywho now that I got your attention, here's the way things
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are going to go first, I'm going to plug some of my stuff and
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then we're going to talk about a topic that is very important to
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discuss and was actually inspired by my discussion with
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Olivia that I had last time I hosted which was Thursday last
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week. And then after I've had my
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Discussion about whether or not Jesus was God based on the Bible
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we should have plenty of time left over to bring people onto
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the show and have a discussion about whatever I talked about
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before or if there's some new or different topic you want to talk
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about. We can certainly do that but
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before we get into all kind of serious intellectual discussion,
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you should know right now that this YouTube channel of Brats is
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not the only Place that were streaming to at the moment.
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Not only are we streaming here on YouTube but I'm restreaming
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this broadcast over onto my Josh Who TV channel.
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So let me just set up the screen share so that you can know where
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to go. If for some reason YouTube
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decides to pull the plug on breath Channel, let me go ahead,
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hit that go ahead and share entire screen and then I got an
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ad to stream. There we go.
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Well, I thought you went there. Oh, I guess it flipped over
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We'll go ahead and open that. And we already have it muted so
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watch it on YouTube over the next couple hours.
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So now, that we've done all of that, now that we've talked
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about Where you can find this stream.
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Let's go ahead and do some tto. Our plug-in that Tada activate.
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My screen share powers. All right, so this should do it.
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So obviously you can find me here on YouTube, Which you can
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see right here on the screen. I don't have too many videos.
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And that's because I started this particular Channel about a
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month and a half ago, and if you want to see my content that is
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obviously not part of Brett's live streams.
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You can go to my YouTube channel to start just to see what I got
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there. But YouTube of course, is not
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the only place that I put my content to.
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I'm also on joshu TV, which you can see right here on the
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screen. This is Actually, what I
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consider to be my primary platform because I live stream
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here, and I use my joshu TV channel to put my content onto
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Roku, as well as onto the joshu radio network.
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And I get hundreds of views on pretty much all my joshu TV
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videos after I share them around social media.
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So I'm doing very good here. I actually have one of the top
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ten channels on joshu TV. Just to give you an idea of how
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small the site it is. But I'm doing well here.
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And this is another great place. You can watch my content a place
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where freedom of speech is honored and you don't have to
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worry about any kind of censorship at all.
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I also am on bit shoot where I have just under twenty three
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hundred subscribers and I'm actually in the top 5% of
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creators on bit, shoot in terms of subscriber, count and Total
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video views. So, that's another place you can
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find my content and then, of course, I'm on YouTube where I
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have 159 subs and I back up my videos here.
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And if you scroll through my library, you'll see, I have
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hundreds of views on W of my videos on YouTube, so that's
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also a good place to find my content as well.
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As far as social media goes. There's a few places actors.
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A lot of places you can find me, but I'll give you three easy
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ones that are easy enough to remember first, there's my
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account on gab, I have over thirteen hundred followers on
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Gap because I've been on it since December of 2017.
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So I've had time to grow my Following their I even got the
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blue check mark. So you know, it's me on gab.
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So if you want to follow me on gab, enjoy yourself and keep up
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with my updates. There, I'm also on getter, which
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is another Twitter alternative where I have 179 followers.
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And I also share my content here.
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So if you don't like Twitter but you don't like yeah.
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But you want to follow me somewhere that you may like get
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as a good place to do that. You'll find the links to all the
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sites. I've mentioned in the
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description box. Well, I'm also on Twitter under
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the username tto are underscore official.
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Now, the Elon Musk owns Twitter, there's a Theory.
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Possibly a conspiracy theory will see that Twitter is about
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to get a lot more free in terms of the things you can say and do
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on there. I've been on Twitter for a while
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before this anyway. But go ahead and follow me on
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Twitter if you want and you can keep up with my updates and
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whatnot over on Twitter as well. That one's not in the
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description box below, but just go to Twitter.
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Type in tto, are underscore official.
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And you'll find me. Now before we get into the more
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serious part of our live stream, we're going to go ahead and
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promotes a little project that I'm working on one that
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primarily I need to raise some funds for in order to make it
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happen. I'm trying to start my own
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video, sharing site called quarter because I'm tired of
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YouTube censorship. I'm tired of alt text sites.
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That got popular in terms of video sharing sites that are run
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by lying grifters, who adopted all the same censorship policies
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and AI systems that YouTube and big Tech does.
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So, I want to start one of my own, my own YouTube alternative
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that doesn't do any of that crud.
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And that's where I came up with the quarter project here.
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I have the gift sent go campaign for the quarter project.
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I'm trying to raise two thousand dollars so that I can start and
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run the site for a year and so far Raised $177.
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So if you want to support the quarter project and help me
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create a video sharing site that actually Champions freedom of
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speech, while simultaneously, having all of the features, you
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would want in a video sharing site, I would encourage you to
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contribute to the quarter project through the gifts and go
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campaign. There's also the flatter account
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I made for the quarter project where you can do one-time or
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monthly tips and donations all the money you send through that
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will also go towards the project.
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Act. So if you want to help that way
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you can, so that's it. That's where you can find me on
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social media, generally speaking, and that's the big
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project I'm working on that. I'd love to deliver to you guys
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as soon as possible. As soon as I raise the two
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thousand dollars, I'll be able to get the site started because
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I have the hosting provider all set up.
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I know which servers I need. I have the script picked out, my
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friend is an expert with the script so he'll help me set it
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up. Make it just right.
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And I know what kind of plugins I can get for the script and
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make the cite feature Rich. It's just a matter of raising,
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the two thousand dollars so that I can make all of that happen.
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So if you want to contribute to the quarter Project, Feel free
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to do so and the description box below, either through Gibson go
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or flatter will stop sharing that.
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Go ahead and put that there. So now I just got to set up all
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the Bible verses that we need for the next part of the show.
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But that's going to take a little bit, 12 verses in total,
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which means I got to open up. Bible, Gateway 12, different
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times. That's going to be a lot of fun
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for sure. So far, we're at four and maybe
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we can make a song out of this. I don't know.
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This is number five. Six, I got my notes.
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All written down here on my notepad on my computer.
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One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, Hey 8910. 11.
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Twelve. Yeah, Brett's not here yet.
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He might pop in at some point later on.
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But hey, I'll try to entertain you in the meantime but no
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promises. You know, According to some
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people, I'm just a big dumb dumb who doesn't know anything about
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anything so if I try to entertain you guys, that could
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go horribly wrong. So hold your breath.
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But I do see your comments there.
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I do see Matthew and Morty, McFly and I see Shayla
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Somerville Halo Shayla And I see revolver Bernie.
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Well, that's really interesting. Glad to see you all here.
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Let's see. So I got one, two, three, four,
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five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
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I kind of figured Brett was going to be here at the start,
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but I guess he's just got some stuff.
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He needs to figure out or that he's got to do.
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So cage on 24th or 29. Okay, let's not not the one I
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wanted to click on. Yeah, there we go.
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Matthew 21. Okay.
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So yeah, I'm kind of doing this all in one browser.
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I'm starting to think. Maybe I should have set up
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another browser with all these Bible verses.
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You know that might have been the smart thing to do, but what
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do I know? I'm just the master of
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retrospect. Okay. 25.
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Okay, so now we got some Old Testament.
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Jeremiah 17:9 through 10. My 79 through 10.
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Oh come on. You know my fingers really need
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to type today but they just don't cooperate.
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And then I think First Kings, yeah, yeah, 37 through 40.
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Yeah, that's what the cool people do is they tell you what
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Bible, verses they're going to look up before they actually
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bring it up. Okay.
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Isaiah 55. Yep.
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We're still kicking it kicking that Bible addiction by quoting
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Bible verses 08, you know, that's not actually kicking the
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addiction, never mind. I lied.
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John 10:22. Almost done people.
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Almost done. I'm almost ready to share what I
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really wanted to share. See you John.
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I believe that's the one. Yes.
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And then just one more. Exodus 3.
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All right, looks like I got everything set up.
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I'm ready to present to you the main serious topic.
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I wanted to present before we get into the open discussion
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part of the show. So, last week, I was I see a ver
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Livia. I was actually talking to Olivia
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last week about well, several things, in fact, mostly centered
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around creation versus Evolution, but there was one
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part of our discussion where Olivia was genuinely When I
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brought up that Jesus claimed to be God and that people worship
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him as God and he didn't reject their worship or rebuke them in
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any way. She was actually quite
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surprised. So, I figured, you know what,
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this stream would be a good time to go over some of the Bible
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passages, where Jesus claimed to be God and did things that only
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God can do. And even at one point, he just
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point blank called himself Yahweh.
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So we're going to see Be here for over the next probably 10
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minutes or so, that Jesus was not an ordinary man, or at best.
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He at least didn't consider himself to be an ordinary, man.
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Of course, was a bible-believing Christian, I believe he was not
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an ordinary man. He was God incarnate, but we're
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going to see that here as soon as I start sharing the screen
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again. So let's go ahead share.
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Entire screen, click that button and then add it to the stream.
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Wish you would just add it to the stream automatically,
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instead of me having to manually do it.
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So here we have the passage we brought up before on a different
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stream and John chapter 20 verses 24 through 29, we read
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now, Thomas also known as didymus.
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One of the twelve was not with the disciples when Jesus came so
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the other disciples. Paul's told him we have seen the
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Lord, but he said to them, unless I see the nail marks in
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his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my
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hand into his side. I will not believe a week later,
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his disciples were in the house again and Thomas was with them
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though the doors were locked Jesus came and stood among them
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and said peace be with you. Then he said to Thomas, put your
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finger here, see my hands, reach out your hand and put it into my
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side. Stop Up doubting and believe
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Thomas said to him, my Lord and my God, then Jesus told him
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because you have seen me. You have believed.
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Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
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Now we see in these last two verses, something, very
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interesting, Thomas calls Jesus his Lord and his God as in
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capital G. God, as in Yahweh, the god of
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the Old Testament does Jesus rebuked him does Jesus.
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To him, dude, I'm just a man. Don't make me out to be God,
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know his response to Thomas is because you have seen me, you
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have believed believed, what you believe that Jesus is God.
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So, Jesus is actually affirming that he's God, and basically,
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commending Thomas for believing that he's God, and then Jesus
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points out. That blessed are those who have
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not seen and yet believed in other words, people like me,
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people like my contemporary Christian brothers and sisters
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who did not get to live and see. Jesus first hand in the first
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century and yet, we believe that he is God and we put our trust
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in to him in the form of a personal saving relationship.
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So, Jesus had a perfect opportunity here to say, I'm not
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God when Thomas called him his God.
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And yet, Jesus didn't even attempt to rebuke him, didn't
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even deny. He was God, he affirmed.
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That he was God. That was what we looked at the
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last dream, I believe it was. But let's go into some other
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more interesting things. Here, we have Matthew 21:14
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through 17, where we read the following the Blind.
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And the lame came to him at the temple and he healed them when
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the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw, the
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wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple
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courts, Hosanna to the son of David.
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They were indignant. Do you hear what these children
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are saying? They asked him?
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Yes, replied. Jesus, have you never read from
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the lips of children and infants?
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You Lord have called forth your praise And he left them and went
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out of the city to Bethany where he spent the night.
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Now, we notice right here in verse 16 that Jesus is actually
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quoting from a scripture. The scripture he's quoting from
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is actually Psalm chapter 8, verses 1 through 2 which says
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the following Lord. Our Lord.
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How Majestic is your name? In all the Earth.
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You have set your glory in the heavens, through the praise of
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children and infants, you have established a stronghold against
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your Enemies to silence the Foe and the Avenger.
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So what we see here in Matthew 21 14 through 17, is that Jesus
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quotes. A Psalm where children were
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praising God and infants were praising God.
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In order to justify, allowing children to praise and worship
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himself in the temple in the first century.
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Now, if Jesus was just an ordinary man, he would not have
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done this, but if he considered himself to be God, then his
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actions here makes sense. Why would I tell children to
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stop worshipping me? They're supposed to worship God.
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So, Matthew, 21:14 through 17 is an instance, where Jesus clearly
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was making an indirect claim to be God.
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Now, another one I want to look at, actually, I'm going to stop
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sharing the screen for a moment. There's Brett.
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Hey, Brett hey, just listening to your doing anything man.
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Sneaky sneaky brat Keen is. I hope you like the over way.
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Yeah, it's cool. Them, Rock and Rollin now.
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Anyway, let me get back to where I was.
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I just knew somehow in the back of my head.
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Brett's just going to show up. I know he is.
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Oops, wrong button. That's not it there.
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That's it. John to 23 through 25.
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Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many
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people saw the signs. He was performing in believed in
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his name, but Jesus would not entrust himself to them for.
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He knew all people, he did not need any testimony about Mankind
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for, he knew what was in each person.
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Now, this is very interesting here.
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It says, Jesus knows all people and he knows what's in it.
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Person. It's almost like he can see into
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their hearts. Now this is very important if
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you're familiar with the Old Testament because the Old
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Testament teaches only God can see into people's hearts but
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let's not take my word for it. Jeremiah 17:9 through. 10 says
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the heart is deceitful above all things and Beyond here who can
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understand it, I the Lord search the heart and examine the mines
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to reward each person according to their Conduct according to
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what their deeds deserve. So we see here in this passage
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that God searches the heart in Psalm 44, 20 through 22.
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We read. If we had forgotten the name of
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our God or spread out our hands to a foreign God would not God
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have discovered it. Since he knows the secrets of
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the heart, yet for your sake, we Face death all day long.
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We are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.
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So C. We see here especially in verse
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21 that God knows the So the heart so God examines the heart,
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he knows the secrets of the heart.
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Then in First Kings 8 37 through 40, King Solomon says when
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famine or plague comes to the land or blight or mildew locusts
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are grasshoppers or when an enemy besieges them in any of
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their cities, whatever, disaster or disease may come.
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And when a prayer or plea is made by anyone among your People
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Israel, being aware of the afflictions of their own hearts
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and sprain out their hands towards this Temple.
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Then hear from Heaven, your Dwelling Place forgiving act
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deal of everyone, according to all they do since, you know,
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their hearts for you alone know, every human heart.
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So that they will fear you all the time.
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They live in the land you gave our ancestors.
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So according to King Solomon, the man who God himself said is
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the wisest person who has ever lived and will ever live.
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God Alone knows every human heart.
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So we know from the Old Testament.
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That God examines human hearts. He sees the secrets of the human
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heart and he alone knows every human heart.
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So in John 2 23 through 25 says that Jesus knows all people and
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what is in each of them that is clearly a claim to Jesus being
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God in human form because he's able to know all people and see
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into each of their hearts, which is something only God can do.
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Now, another fun passage is Mark 2 verses 1 through 12, which is
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a rather famous story in the gospels, about Jesus and the
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paralyzed, man, that was lowered through the roof in front of
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him. Because the crowd outside the
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house that he was in was so crowded that the guys couldn't
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bring their friend to Jesus. So, they had to get a little
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creative. Well, In this passage, we read a
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few days later when Jesus again, entered Capernaum, the people
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heard that he Come home, they gathered in such large numbers
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that there was no room left, not even outside the door and he
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preached the word to them. Some men came bringing to him, a
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paralyzed man carried by four of them, since they could not get
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him to Jesus because of the crowd, they made an opening in
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the roof above Jesus, by digging through it.
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And then lowered the mat, the man was lying on when Jesus saw
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their faith. He said to the paralyzed man.
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Son, your sins are forgiven. Now, some teachers of the law
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were sitting there thinking In to themselves.
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Why does this fellow talk like that?
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He's blaspheming, who can forgive sins, but God alone,
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immediately, Jesus knew and his spirit that this is what they
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were thinking in their hearts and he said to them.
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Why are you thinking these things?
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Which is easier to say that this paralyzed man your sins are
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forgiven or to say, get up, take your mat and walk but I want you
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to know that the son of man has Authority on Earth to forgive
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sins. So he said to the man I tell you
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get up take your mat and go home, he got up Took his mat and
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walked out in full view of them. All this amazed everyone and
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they praised God saying, we have never seen anything like this.
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So when the man on the mat was lowered through the roof and
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presented to Jesus, Jesus looked at the man and told him that his
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sins were forgiven. Now, why, oh, why did the
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teachers of the law who were sitting there in the room?
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Think to themselves? That Jesus was blaspheming.
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And that only God could forgive sins.
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There's actually a verse in Isaiah that would have led them
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to this conclusion and Isaiah 43:25.
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God says I even I am he who blots out your transgressions
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for my own sake and remembers your sins.
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No more. So the religious leaders of
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Jesus time were familiar with this verse.
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They believed because of this verse that, only God can truly
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forgive someone sins. And so when Jesus claimed to
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forgive the sins, The paralyzed man.
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They immediately thought of this verse in Isaiah.
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And since they didn't want to believe or accept that Jesus was
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God, they thought he was blaspheming.
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And so it says, here in the passage that this is what they
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were thinking in their heads. And because Jesus could see into
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their hearts, he said out loud what they were thinking in their
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heads and then he healed some, he has, we can see in the verse
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and from what Jesus said, he healed the man to prove that he
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had the authority to forgive sins.
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In other words, he healed the man to prove that he is God.
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And that's exactly what he did in front of a large crowd of
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witnesses. And a lot of people were very
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impressed to say the least by this healing.
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Now, the next passage I'm thinking of is actually found in
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John 20 to her, John 10 verses 22 through 33, my mistake, this
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is actually a very easy one because The explanation is right
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there in the text. Then came the Festival of
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dedication at Jerusalem, it was Winter, and Jesus was in the
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temple courts, walking in Solomon's, Colonnade, the Jews
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who were there gathered around him saying, how long will you
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keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us
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plainly. Jesus answered, I did tell you
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but you do not believe the works.
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I do in my father's name testify about me, but you do not believe
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because you are not my sheep. My sheep, listen to my voice, I
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know them and they follow me. I give them.
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Colonel life and they shall never perish.
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No one will snatch them out of my hand.
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My father who has given them to me is greater than all?
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No one can snatch them. Out of my father's hand, I and
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the father are one again. His Jewish opponents picked up
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stones, to Stone him, but Jesus said to them, I have shown you
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many good works from the father for which of these.
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Do you Stone me? We are not stoning you for any
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good work, they are applied, but for blasphemy because you a mere
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man, claimed to be God. So here we see in this passage,
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Jesus claimed that he and the father are one and his listeners
29:57
picked up stones to Stone him because they understood rightly,
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but he was claiming to be God and they obviously couldn't
30:03
accept that and so they were determined to kill him, right?
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Then. And there, So based on the
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response of his listeners, we know that when Jesus claimed
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that the father and him are one, he was claiming to be God, his
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own audience wanted to kill him because of this.
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Now the last example we have of Jesus claim to deity is actually
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found in John chapter 8 verses 57 through 59 which says you are
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not yet, fifty years old. They said to him and you have
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seen Abraham very truly. I tell Do you Jesus answered
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before Abraham was born? I am at this.
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They picked up stones to Stone him, but Jesus, hid himself
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slipping away from the temple grounds.
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Now why, oh, why would the listeners of Jesus?
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Pick up stones to kill him when he calls himself?
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I am, well, let's turn to Exodus chapter 3 verses 13 through 14
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and find out. Moses said to God suppose I go
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to the Israelites and say to them the god of your father's
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has sent me to you and they ask me.
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What is his name then? What shall I tell them?
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God said to Moses, I am who I am.
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This is what you are to say to the Israelites.
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I am has sent me to you. So as we can see from Exodus
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3:14, God literally calls himself.
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I am, when Moses asks him, what shall I say to the Israelites?
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When they ask who sent me? Who should I say sent me God,
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called himself. I am, which is the English
31:38
translation of Yahweh. So when Jesus called himself, I
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am in John 8:58, he was literally claiming to be the
31:47
same. God, who spoke to Moses in the
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burning bush back in Exodus chapter 3 and because the crowd
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around him was not willing to accept that they picked up
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stones to Stone him and Jesus made himself disappear.
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So as we can see, from this whole Litany of passengers, that
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we just read through in the last several minutes, Jesus was
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worshipped as God. He Accepted people's worship and
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he accepted their claim. That Jesus was God, when Thomas
32:17
called him, God, he accepted it. We see that Jesus had the
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attributes of God. We see Jesus performing Miracles
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and doing things only God can say and do.
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And we even see, Jesus, literally calling himself,
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Yahweh. The same God who spoke to Moses
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at the burning bush, and Exodus chapter 3.
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The same God who spoke to Abraham in Genesis chapters 17
32:40
through 19. 18. So if you're one of these people
32:44
watching and you like to think of Jesus as a nice guy, who is
32:49
about peace and love and he was a good moral teacher, Jesus did
32:54
not present himself in this manner to people in the first
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century in his three-year Ministry.
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Jesus clearly did not consider himself to be a normal human
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being. He identified himself as the god
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of the Old Testament, he identified himself specifically
33:10
as Yahweh There was no confusion with his audience and he said in
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did only the things Yahweh can say and do.
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So the best case scenario for people who don't believe in the
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Jesus of the Bible is that the true Jesus considered himself to
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be the god of the Old Testament. And then he performed miracles
33:30
to justify his claim which some people tried to explain away as
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Jesus being trained in the sorcery of the Egyptians.
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And that's what he used to portray himself as Is God, the
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worst case scenario for people who don't believe in the Jesus
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of the Bible is that Jesus was exactly who he claimed to be,
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which is The Great. I Am the Yahweh of the Old
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Testament. He was not a mere man, he was
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not merely a good teacher, he was God In the Flesh.
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And the reason why he came to the earth and the first century,
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lived a sinless life and did a three-year Ministry and then was
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sentenced to death on a cross, is because he was paying the
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price for the sins. Ends of all mankind, past
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present and future. So that when his sacrifice is
34:16
applied to the sin, Ledger of those who accept the offer of
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forgiveness, that God gives them, his sacrifice will
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literally pay make payment for all the sins that person has
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committed. I'm extremely thankful for that
34:29
because my sin Ledger is long enough lie.
34:32
Most people's sin Ledger is long enough ugly.
34:35
So I'm very, very thankful that Jesus did that for us, but it's
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pretty obvious who Jesus claimed to be.
34:43
And so, my parting thought on this subject is, if you're going
34:47
to accept or reject Jesus, you should accept or reject him as
34:52
he really is. And as he claimed to be, and
34:55
clearly, the Jesus of the Bible claim to be God in human form.
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And he also claimed to be very exclusive.
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After all, John 14:6 through 7, Jesus said that he was the way
35:06
and the truth and the life and that there was no other way to
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God, but through him. So if we're going to accept or
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reject Jesus, let's accept or reject them based on who and
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what he really is and not what you want them to be.
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And that's all I have to say on that subject.
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Is there anything you'd like to add Brett.
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Well, there's quite a few times and he pointed out a passage
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where the disciples and the people who are following, they
35:39
actually call him God and Lord. And the fact that he doesn't try
35:44
to correct them or tell them, no that's not the case because if
35:48
he wasn't God and he was some something else as a mere human,
35:53
he would have been formed them. That would have been a form of
35:56
blasphemy of some sort. I would suspect but no, that's
36:00
one of the reasons why they crucified him in the Place and
36:03
tested him over and over because they believed that he was
36:05
claiming to be the god of the Old Testament so good passages
36:11
great teaching. That's also another good point
36:13
because if Jesus was really this nice guy who's all about peace
36:17
and love and harmony and all this stuff, you have a really
36:21
big problem because you have to figure out, well, if he was just
36:24
that, why did they kill him? But since we see that he was
36:29
claiming to be the Yahweh of the Old Testament and they were
36:32
Refuse to accept that. It's the makes the reason why
36:35
they killed him much more understandable than the
36:37
alternative. Is that John?
36:41
Casilla, your friend that I'm seeing down there might be, or
36:44
it might be somebody doing a video Loop.
36:46
That's why it's best to say, John.
36:48
Can you give us the middle finger or wave at us?
36:52
John, can you give us a thumbs up with your left hand?
36:55
If that's really you Yeah, see it's a loop.
37:02
What they do is they like to they're going to probably one
37:05
day, get a clip of you and loop it make it appear as though to
37:08
you so they can do that. Yeah.
37:10
He would have given us something right out the bat.
37:14
Yeah, I think this would have been.
37:16
There we go. Yeah the time I Bandit the name
37:22
even said lawn help Mentor it. Okay, well that's a good
37:26
giveaway. If Olivia still watching you're
37:30
welcome to join to since we had such a lovely discussion last
37:34
time. And anyone else who's watching?
37:38
If you're, for real, you're welcome to join us and talk
37:41
about whatever you just got to go to the link, that's in the
37:44
description box and in the chat. Do do, do, do while we're
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waiting for people to join Brett.
37:54
What do you think about? Where's Olivia?
37:57
Hello? Hi, Olivia.
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So, I was just going to ask you Brett since we're here.
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What do you think about this, whole Elon Musk taking over
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Twitter thing. Seems like, that's all anyone
38:09
wants to talk about it in the internet this week.
38:12
I just so obvious, obviously, he's not going to run and
38:16
Twitter all by himself, which apparently some people think I
38:19
hope that whoever he hires to run the thing while he's doing
38:23
everything else, he does believes in freedom of speech as
38:27
much as he does as long as that's the case.
38:30
Then we're good to go. I think it'll definitely be a
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big Improvement because a lot of the people who work for Twitter,
38:37
they're clearly weak fragile type of liberals, snowflakes is
38:42
what I call them. You can't handle ideas that are
38:45
different than their own. So I'm looking forward to seeing
38:48
the future of mankind as far as social media goes.
38:52
Yeah. They are definitely some special
38:54
kind of snowflakes those people working at Twitter because
38:57
literary all Elon Musk said was, I'm To level the playing field
39:01
so that everyone is on equal footing and can say their piece
39:05
and that response is oh what tyranny?
39:11
No we can't have an even playing field.
39:13
That's not fair. I got shut down several times
39:17
and Twitter have over 15 accounts or shutdown simply for
39:21
correcting people's assertions and claims about Donald Trump.
39:25
As you know, I was in love with this guy and how he was doing
39:29
things. And people would lie all damn
39:32
day on there and I would put something up, I get lots and
39:36
lots of views but and it was just simply, no, right here is a
39:40
resource. This is what he actually said.
39:42
This is what I remember when they used to make things up
39:46
about what he supposedly like, oh he's going to take Social
39:50
Security's going to take this ability away from people and I
39:53
put up a club where it says, no, I will not do this.
39:56
No matter what, blah blah blah. And this got me shot.
40:00
Shut down losing accounts, right?
40:02
Or like, when he called Jim Kim, Jung Hoon Rocket Man over and
40:06
over on Twitter and everyone's like, oh no, he's going to start
40:10
World War Three and North Korea is going to start nipping us.
40:13
And next thing you know he's got Kim Jang hoon and the leaders of
40:17
South Korea sitting down for peace talks.
40:21
Exactly. Well it's not so funny when it
40:23
happened. I also couldn't stop laughing
40:25
like oh yeah there's the real dictator right there.
40:29
Starting peace talks. A horrible man.
40:32
That's right. So what you been up to Olivia?
40:35
Oh working I worked today in the afternoon, got off the about six
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and then I'll go back tomorrow at 5:00 in the morning.
40:47
Wow. Early rise, huh?
40:49
Yes. Yeah.
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I kind of well, I guess I'm not gay.
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I'm picking up for a co-worker and helping out and so I only
40:58
have to be there until like 9:30 and then I have a weekend, short
41:04
day, select day, All of Me. Am all in the am?
41:09
Yes. Then you can get a nap in and
41:11
then you can have your weekend party.
41:14
No, I'll just sit at home, I don't party.
41:18
Well you know different people to find party differently.
41:21
So and heads true. So, what's been on your mind
41:27
lately? Olivia?
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Oh, I don't know. I was just thinking about when
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we you know, we could talk about what what you would put on there
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and I had thought several different things like but they
41:42
all relate probably to the larger question of If Jesus said
41:48
he was God, then why was he referencing God outside of
41:52
himself? Like there is no way to the
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father then threw me when if he was referring to himself as God.
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He was like there's no way to me except through me, you're
42:03
talking to me. I'm God, he wouldn't have said
42:06
it like when you know what I mean.
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That's not referencing himself as God.
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Obviously that's referencing a different entity as God and you
42:15
don't call yourself your own father.
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You know what I mean? So there's that.
42:21
Yes in one sense you want to say that he's claiming to be God but
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then there's obviously he's referencing an entity that isn't
42:31
him when referencing God or like when he's on the cross, why have
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you forsaken, God? Why have you forsaken me?
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He's not saying why. If I forsaken myself, he
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wouldn't be worried at all. He wouldn't be forsaken.
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He wouldn't have uttered the phrase.
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Well, that's where the doctrine of the Trinity comes in because
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when you study the scriptures Jesus actually said quite a few
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interesting things. One is he talked about God the
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father and the Holy Spirit as being different persons from
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himself. But then in other instances he
43:06
said that they all have the same name.
43:08
He said that the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, the holy
43:11
spirit being a mother, right? So holy spirit is Mother then
43:17
Can't have a father and a son without a mother.
43:20
Like that's how about you? I mean the church I mean people
43:25
might patriarchy is what it is and why aren't we calling mother
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mother. That's I guess maybe a different
43:30
conversation because you can't like if you're going to set up
43:34
the dynamic of a Triad with Father and Son, then we already
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obviously know what the other entity is its mother.
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So you finished there's the mothers make sense.
43:47
Yeah. TT, you are and Olivia tto are.
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I don't know if you remember and will definitely hit which
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talking Olivia. But remember, for a while there,
43:56
I was having an issue with this and you showed me a whole bunch
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of stuff I went and did a bunch of research and not only one to
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find out if Jesus was God. But I also wanted to find out.
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Was he actually spoken about in the Old Testament?
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You didn't share this one. TT, you are.
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But if a person who's been studying the Bible, as long as
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you have looks at this, Here. Let me put it up on the screen
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for you. There.
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Read this and tell me what you think.
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This is from the Old Testament alone.
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You looked at this, this is before Jesus even existed.
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What does that say? Therefore, the Lord himself will
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give you a sign. Behold, the Virgin shall
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conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Emmanuel,
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Okay, so does either one of, you know what a manual means, back
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in the language that was written on this.
44:47
Hey, baby. I think it basically means God
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Among Us. There you go.
44:54
Yeah, my memory is a little rusty but apparently, I got
44:56
lucky. Oh yeah.
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But anyway, I want to finish my thought because when you also
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study the Scriptures, it talks about, Jesus, God, the father
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and the Holy Spirit, each of them.
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Having the Divine attributes of God, they all have the same
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attributes of omniscience and omnipresence and all of that
45:21
stuff. And so, when you look at all of
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that, when you look at those passages, where it says that all
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three have the same Divine attributes.
45:30
You look at Jesus saying that all three have the same name,
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it's pretty obvious from those that obviously, God has one
45:36
divine nature, but Jesus also talked about himself.
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God the father and the Holy Spirit as being distinct persons
45:43
from each other. Because when he was on the
45:45
earth, in the first century said, the father was in heaven
45:49
and we was talking to his disciples, he said I'm going to
45:51
send you. The Holy Spirit later on after
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I've left this Earth. So the mother mother.
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I don't want to let go of this. Why are we calling the mother
46:03
Holy Spirit? What?
46:05
Why is that important? Because one second, we got some
46:08
people like they just set the real vehicle.
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Yep. It's me.
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I do it. All right.
46:14
All right. Is that the real Von help?
46:16
And if so, give me the double cross that we, he knows the code
46:22
now. That's not.
46:22
Absolutely, yeah, that's a ban that person's account will
46:26
forever be locked out. Alright, hey Becca, how you
46:29
doing? Continue on guys.
46:30
Hi, I just wanted to finish up by pointing out that the whole
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mother thing is irrelevant to the point of the scriptures.
46:37
I'm not irrelevant to what I'm bringing up.
46:40
It is because what I'm pointing Is that the scriptures teach a
46:43
god? That is three distinct persons,
46:46
but one divine nature which is the whole concept that is behind
46:50
the doctrine of the Trinity comes straight from the Bible.
46:54
And that's how you understand all the different things.
46:57
That Jesus said, that's how all the different things.
47:01
That doesn't mean well, saying three people can equal.
47:06
One person is confusing. Yes, and also is confusing to
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Say that you can get a father and a son without a mother.
47:17
Is confusing. Yeah, but God also says in the
47:21
Old Testament that he's not like anything in creation.
47:24
So the fact that there's nothing in creation, father and the son
47:29
and mysterious other thing because there's nothing in
47:33
creation that is three, distinct persons with one nature.
47:37
Well, obviously, that would support the idea that God's
47:40
nature is different than anything.
47:42
Well, maybe it's a committee. So God is a committee like
47:46
there. Being in there, you know, God,
47:48
mind. And then that's the action.
47:50
They take as a solidified unit, a committee, God is a committee.
47:55
A family got as a family unit and got it sounds like to me
47:59
like a United Family front. So mother father, son.
48:05
If you want to say that the Holy Spirit fulfills, some kind of
48:08
mother role, I guess I can. Well, I mean, why wouldn't it if
48:12
your butt is God himself? The Holy Spirit setting up the
48:17
dynamic as father and son, right?
48:21
That's God's language. There's no father.
48:24
There's nothing in Scripture that describes the that
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attributes, the Holy Spirit to having female attributes or as a
48:31
few person dies, if you're going to describe.
48:33
No, father and son, that's, that's a family unit, right?
48:39
Some father male mother is the female part.
48:42
They have a child. That's Jesus.
48:45
That's false. You can say that if you want but
48:47
it doesn't line up with what's laid out at scripture that it
48:50
clearly, we know that the word is out logic, you know, got us a
48:55
logical thing. Don't know that the word spirit
48:58
in the Greek is I want to say Numa which is which is actually
49:02
a feminine, but it doesn't attribute.
49:04
The Holy Spirit as a female, not that it matters anyway, because
49:09
the, you know, we're not well, then why use got mail for God.
49:12
God is a male and otters but you keep asserting that.
49:15
The holy spirit is a female. When you do yours, it's a female
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unit, you're not, but you're not going to say the best way to
49:40
build a A bunch of theist you got to do something called.
49:48
Open the book, blow the cobwebs and Bible.
49:51
The Bible makes sense. Right now to sounds like you're
49:57
throwing something out there. Yes, you are.
50:02
And then there's a third thing will be remember making claims
50:07
he of passages and verses to back up.
50:11
That's that's just how it works. Is that father mother?
50:31
And if you could actually open up the Bible and provide
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scripture that clearly indicates that in some way that the holy
50:38
spirit's of mother we would accept your argument.
50:41
But that probably we're having. Is that no such verse exists,
50:44
right? Why we can't go?
50:46
This is your Knology is built by God.
50:52
God made the analogy. I know you're making it up.
50:55
PTO made up the analogy of a family.
50:59
Father isn't God's identity? Hold On Olivia in the my son is
51:03
Jesus is identity, right? Brett brought up Isaiah chapter
51:07
7, which actually is a direct link to Matthew chapter 1, which
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regarding the birth of Jesus Christ.
51:13
It's funny that you bring that up Brett because Cuz in that
51:16
chapter, we clearly see that the Holy Spirit would overshadow,
51:21
Mary, and that's how she would conceive Jesus, right?
51:25
So it's the Holy Spirit, that's a super naturally intervening
51:30
and making her conceive the Christ in her womb.
51:35
So we think this is some sort of a lesbian relationship, you
51:39
know, between a female Spirit number.
51:41
You're gonna say this. In gay men.
51:47
I mean it's different if it's father, son and some other dude.
51:51
And secondly, hold on. What is hold on?
51:54
Let me finish this up real quick.
51:56
The other thing is too that in the Greek, the word overshadow
52:00
is I think it's it piece, chiasso, which simply means and
52:04
Supernatural or Pretty Natural interaction.
52:07
So, there was no physical aspect of physical touching of the
52:13
woman as a lot of Mormons would Like to teach is an awesome.
52:16
It has no physical. So he didn't have, he just spoke
52:21
it, he just spoke it just like he did with the universe.
52:24
He spoke it, and it happened bam.
52:28
So we can see CA Productions in the comment section saying,
52:31
using the Bible to prove the Bible is ridiculous.
52:35
Now, what we've been trying to do at least, that's what I've
52:37
been thinking. We're trying to do in this
52:39
stream so far, is we're trying to use the Bible to prove that
52:43
the Bible teaches something. There's Nothing ridiculous about
52:46
that at all. Amen.
52:48
I don't throw that out there. Yeah, I love how ICC over here.
52:54
You've heard non-believers make this claim Christians.
52:56
Can't even agree or ringing. Yeah.
52:59
Well, it's good that Christians actually have different views
53:02
that would definitely take away from the claim that atheist make
53:05
that we're sheep. And we're all like the bullying
53:08
me. We don't have a hive mind.
53:10
What? Yes.
53:12
Well, how about this golden Thinking about exactly
53:18
originated from God. Here you can solve this problem
53:23
in less than two minutes. They just simply given the
53:25
information that you got this from and then Wallah, I got it
53:29
from God's Own analogy and I can use my brain that God made.
53:34
She's using beauty queen father and son.
53:38
And then there's a third thing you're going to say it's in
53:40
three guys got us. Three guys, are you going to
53:44
provide the information? Women are half the population
53:53
and you're saying that God represents.
53:54
Just know, there's no women. God, I love you.
53:58
Why is this so difficult to just give us a reference or sort of
54:02
reference? I wouldn't believe in such a
54:04
guy. I know you just fucking make the
54:07
claims that you don't want to back it up.
54:08
I know that God wants me to believe in them.
54:11
Olivia you're making claims that you can't see.
54:24
Argue with you. You have, I don't believe about
54:52
nothing but well, you better go look up some logic then that's,
54:55
that's basic logic lady. No disrespect, no, of course
55:00
we're not going to say we believe in magic.
55:02
No. But we're leaving illogic, like
55:05
what you said. The magic God spoke magic in the
55:08
womb said you made a claim you and you're not able to
55:11
substantiate it. So that's the problem here.
55:14
I'm able to substantiate my claims, but you are not able to
55:18
substantiate your cooking substantiate like
55:21
substantiating, you know, none of us can substantiate that.
55:25
As you can see, none of us can substantiate any of these
55:32
claims. Is that a chance to offer his
55:38
opinion or thoughts on? Okay, it erupted.
55:40
Yeah, I just wanted to defend Olivia.
55:42
Basically, it was the Greek word.
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For spirit is effeminate and the Greek word spirit is in the
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Bible. So that is evident from the
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Bible that the spirit is a woman, I would say, well, the
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vertical this answers, the mysteries of the universe.
55:58
Every time, Spirits mention the Bible, it must be a female or a
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lesbian, holy spiritual lesbian. Relations wildheart, do me a
56:16
favor. Say it, I want you to say I am
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Duncan MacLeod of the clan MacLeod.
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There can only be one. I am Duncan MacLeod of the club
56:25
climb. Yeah, okay.
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Now do me another favor, a wild heart, put your hand in front of
56:31
your face and then slap yourself.
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Silly. Okay.
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All right. He wants to be able to talk
56:41
again. I'll say it again.
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Anybody who makes a claim. A positive claim, no matter who
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it's coming from. You have biologic, you
56:48
automatically have the onus on yourself to substantiate it
56:51
even, it doesn't matter whether or not people agree with you.
56:55
The fact that a man is, you can engage in the philosophic until
56:58
intelligent discussion and make such claims that they put the
57:02
onus on the person that you're having this argument with, when
57:05
you're the one, making a positive claim.
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If I tell you that, I know that God exists.
57:09
Now, I have an obligation to prove that to you or at least to
57:13
make some sort of It's an argument whether you disagree
57:16
with it or not. The fact that Matt is I have
57:18
that obligation upon myself. Same thing with an atheist.
57:21
If an atheist is saying that no God exists, you don't pull this
57:24
1993 atheists apologetic nonsense.
57:28
That's been debunked so many times and say, I'm your the
57:31
theist there for you by default have to prove to me that you're
57:37
God exists. No, it doesn't work that way.
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If you're making it positive claim, you have the onus on you
57:43
to validate it. Idiot.
57:45
Yep, which is why. When I started out the show by
57:48
saying Jesus was God, I spent the next 10, 15 minutes.
57:52
Whatever it was pulling out the scriptures and showing Jesus
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doing and saying and claiming to be God, Amen to that.
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Join this conversation. It would be nice.
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Rob's got a good voice and he does a lot of biblical videos.
58:23
So three many definitely add to the the awesome equation.
58:28
We'll figure out if a lesbian Jesus as a thing, according to
58:31
Olivia lesbian Jesus didn't get married or have any kids as a
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man? He was a lesbian, you didn't
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hang around with a lawful ourselves but okay, let's get
58:45
back to those other thing. Why does God need to have a
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blood. Suffice to himself to forgive
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us. That makes no sense.
58:53
We gotta like that. That sounds like witchcraft a
58:56
little bit. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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How is that? How is the spilling of blood
59:01
equal to Witchcraft and black magic, you use human blood God,
59:06
blood, whatever. And it performs a miracle, a
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magic. And you have a ceremony or
59:12
whatever. And you know when I went to
59:14
church, they would like let's bathe in the blood of Jesus.
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You know you know we eat his body and blood right.
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You gots the communion, you're eating the body of Christ and
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the drinking is Is the wine, you know, that's transubstantiation
59:28
friends, Kathy and that's witchcraft, isn't it?
59:31
And that the ride cymbal isn't as well, that's what Catholicism
59:36
teaches, but Jesus himself actually used, that's what
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baptism he never meant it to be literal, great, right?
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No. So his blood literally didn't
59:46
matter, his death, didn't matter what, is it?
59:48
I mean, what is the claim? I'm sorry as far as blood
59:52
sacrifice. Why did God need a blood
59:54
sacrifice? Ice was it important or was it
59:56
not one question at a time? I mean you asking a bunch of was
1:00:03
blood sacrifice important? Well, yes, and that's why Jesus
1:00:08
came. He was the ultimate blood
1:00:10
sacrifice, the last one that was ever needed.
1:00:13
And that's what the whole point of the last supper, was the
1:00:16
wine. They were drinking.
1:00:18
Jesus told them represented his blood, the bread that they were
1:00:21
sharing, he told them represented his body.
1:00:24
And that was one of the two rituals that Jesus established
1:00:27
for his followers to do until the day he comes back to
1:00:30
establish his kingdom. Jesus was special about blinds
1:00:35
what's special about. Blood sacrifices, their magic.
1:00:38
In it make what is the claim as far as that goes?
1:00:41
It's the currency that pays for your sins blood, how is it
1:00:45
currency? How what in what sense in the
1:00:47
spiritual like, what is it witchcraft?
1:00:49
Like, how does that work? What is Magic about blood?
1:00:53
Who said anything about magic? What is she does that?
1:00:55
What If God said that in order for
1:01:09
your sins to be given, you just had to have a money sacrifice
1:01:14
and pay him like ten thousand dollars once a year.
1:01:17
Would that be easier for you to accept?
1:01:20
Yeah, I just wanted to make sense.
1:01:30
Like why is blood important? What's so special about blood?
1:01:34
Because blood is life. Don't have life without it.
1:01:37
No, you love your pets. Not fusions magic.
1:01:44
Do you know? But I want to know what's
1:01:46
special about blood. Why does not find his wife
1:01:49
course? That's how they seen it and
1:01:51
apparently dr. Seem to think the same way
1:01:53
because they use it to keep people alive.
1:01:56
Yeah, well there's a lot to do with kids or are or food or
1:02:01
water. So what they will do with the
1:02:04
bloat, once you have it, What is blood baby?
1:02:10
Don't hurt me. Don't you mean?
1:02:11
It's his Supernatural. Like they show on TV where the
1:02:14
blood gives something powers. Like, Ezra spell.
1:02:16
Is it is like what was it? Sounds like a spell.
1:02:20
Yeah, but it's just used as a currency because to my
1:02:24
understanding of the Bible, the blood itself wasn't used for
1:02:27
anything after it was sacrificed to the Lord.
1:02:30
It's just there. So, I was it a coincidence.
1:02:33
If you can't spend it all, I change.
1:02:36
I'll stop for us to spend for God.
1:02:38
Yeah, we'll go can spend either. Collins long, ever need to spend
1:02:42
it. Well, it's not every citizen has
1:02:45
been on the phone or make payment for our sins.
1:02:49
But that was the whole point of Jesus doing his sacrifices so
1:02:52
that we don't have to do animal blood sacrifices again.
1:02:56
This is the coulomb so you can almost spend it as well if you
1:02:59
don't like Well - just forgiving us cut, right?
1:03:02
Because he's God Sin has to be punished though.
1:03:07
You can't leave it unpunished. Well, who says that, why does it
1:03:11
have to be part of God were to just sweep it under the rug and
1:03:14
say, you're forgiven, then the sin is not dealt with.
1:03:17
And that would be God unjust, because he ignored crime.
1:03:20
He ignored sin. And God says, he don't think I
1:03:25
can forgive someone with us to go Colin, and I can do something
1:03:29
that go counts and sure that should be impossible.
1:03:38
Well, that's true. If God is all powerful than God,
1:03:41
should be able to forgive without a blood sacrifice,
1:03:44
seeing as how humans can forgive without blood sacrifice.
1:03:47
Well, that's exactly what's going on now.
1:03:49
Now, you just have to believe in Jesus and have a personal
1:03:53
relationship with him and you're golden, no blood sacrifice
1:03:56
required. So, now that that demand of
1:03:58
years has been met, go ahead and convert.
1:04:01
Well, I'd could don't forget, require my, I don't require
1:04:05
forgive, I don't require people to worship me or be tormented
1:04:12
It's a you have free. Will.
1:04:13
You can choose to accept the offer, forgiveness, God gives
1:04:17
you and the Salvation he offers, or you can reject it and live
1:04:20
your own life. You're not much of a gift, is
1:04:23
it? How's there's conditions?
1:04:26
It's not a gift, it's a condition.
1:04:28
It's a contract? Yeah, we're sure.
1:04:31
I don't know. If you've ever looked up for
1:04:32
some reason, non-believers when they think of worship, they
1:04:35
think that people on their knees, going all out on, he
1:04:38
rolled over. No, it means Revere to respect
1:04:42
honor. Why wouldn't you don't?
1:04:44
You honor your mother and father.
1:04:46
Don't you honor? Those and assisted in your
1:04:49
existence. I mean I guess my mother and
1:04:53
father never committed genocide. Also there's a difference.
1:04:56
No I don't like been on this committee so wild heart is
1:05:00
someone word when you were living with your parents or
1:05:02
someone broke into your home and your parents wanted to make it
1:05:06
to where the threat doesn't get to you and they stop them.
1:05:09
Would you consider them unloving all of a sudden or their evil
1:05:13
for protecting you from all of this self-defense?
1:05:17
Okay, as the genocide stuff all over again, it's always the gym
1:05:23
clothes me. Genocide is bad and slavery is
1:05:27
bad, and things are bad better in the Bible.
1:05:30
Let's roll with the genocide example.
1:05:33
I want to lay out a scenario, so you got a group of people who,
1:05:37
for hundreds of years, have been having sex with animals
1:05:40
sacrificing their children, on the altar of a god called
1:05:43
moloch, and practicing all kinds of sexual incestual
1:05:47
relationships. And they've been doing this
1:05:49
unrepentantly for hundreds of years and anyone who's ever
1:05:52
tried, calling them to repent or change.
1:05:55
They just blatantly ignored, if they didn't outright kill at
1:05:59
some point, if there's a God out there who claims to be just and
1:06:02
claims to not allow this kind of stuff to go on, wouldn't you
1:06:06
want him to actually put a stop to it at some point?
1:06:09
No. That that kills me, that, that
1:06:13
fireball of the, The Killing all the children going, kill them,
1:06:17
including the children and the Animals.
1:06:19
How does that make any sense? That's War rhetoric.
1:06:23
If you actually study the Bible, you'll See that not all the
1:06:25
Canaanites were wiped out in all those instances and the gallery
1:06:29
still around at the time of Jesus.
1:06:31
Even. Yeah but God wasn't because he
1:06:33
didn't kill them. All, you get direct orders to
1:06:36
kill them all, including the animals, while there are many,
1:06:42
and many of these instances, I know that atheists when they
1:06:45
read the Bible, they don't even notice the time difference of
1:06:48
the age of the person's being talked about, but literally
1:06:52
hundreds of years. Go by where Men of God, as well
1:06:56
as women are warning people and telling people, look, God does
1:07:00
not want this or God himself is directly through.
1:07:03
Some manifestation saying, you need to stop what you're doing
1:07:07
or there's going to be consequences.
1:07:09
Now, what are you expecting to do?
1:07:11
If he just sits there and keeps letting them do it?
1:07:13
Then the atheist is going to go, oh look where's your God at when
1:07:17
the evils going on but of course if God does something, he's
1:07:21
damned, if you do damned if you don't, which is it that you
1:07:24
want? Do you want?
1:07:25
At the Justice. Well already won him to let
1:07:27
everything fly just as yeah. I was killing like a child or an
1:07:32
animal Justice for something that adults have done wanted the
1:07:36
child to a send, the child every child was evil at one year, one
1:07:40
year old and two-year-old, who are evil and their dessert today
1:07:43
as well. It's a good thing.
1:07:45
The Bible teaches the concept of the age of accountability, which
1:07:49
starts around 12, or 13 years old.
1:07:55
That's Up For Debate actually. Well, it's not over the edge of.
1:07:59
Well, the age of accountability certainly doesn't.
1:08:01
Start it 125 years old. That's for sure.
1:08:04
Yes, not what did I do? That's debatable in
1:08:07
Christianity. That's why some Christians
1:08:10
groups do infant baptism because of original sin.
1:08:15
What? Yeah, all humans are born evil
1:08:18
and will go to hell unless they're saved, including
1:08:21
infants? Yeah, well, I don't, well, I
1:08:27
don't believe that babies will go to hell.
1:08:30
Well, I mean, it's accountability.
1:08:32
There's an age where God doesn't hold you accountable for your
1:08:36
sin, but happen when you reach this certain age, whether it be
1:08:39
11, 12, 13, or whatever older age, you want to say there's an
1:08:44
age where God actually starts holding you.
1:08:46
Countable for your sins. But when you're a small child
1:08:49
under 10, God doesn't hold you accountable for the sins.
1:08:52
You commit, one remembers on this.
1:09:08
You guys should point this out. Remember what happened to King
1:09:11
David's baby. What did God say through King?
1:09:16
And in this people, what happened with the baby, I'll be
1:09:19
right back. Yeah, what that wasn't the
1:09:21
baby's fault, though, that the baby being killed was the result
1:09:25
of David's sin. So if the baby wasn't being held
1:09:29
accountable for anything that it did Soma, but my question is
1:09:34
because it doesn't specifically point out the age of
1:09:38
accountability. However, I don't necessarily
1:09:40
disagree with tto are saying, but the point is my point is
1:09:46
that The Bible is not specific on that particular age, but
1:09:50
could it be around, you know, somewhere between starting at
1:09:53
between 10 and 12, possibly. But the Bible just not clear on
1:09:57
it. I think we can all agree.
1:09:59
It's not like one to two years old.
1:10:01
It cannot be that, of course not.
1:10:03
So I think. Yeah, I know, I'm not
1:10:09
disagreeing. I'm just saying that.
1:10:10
The Bible is not clear on what the age is, though.
1:10:13
That's the thing. It was saying, did the same
1:10:16
thing with the mentally ill person.
1:10:18
I mean, is God going to send someone who is mentally,
1:10:21
incapable of understanding the gospel to hell because they're
1:10:24
not able to unintellectual you, understand that?
1:10:26
Yes, that is well, I don't, I don't, I don't believe that if
1:10:31
you have a script already created to begin with.
1:10:33
If you have a, if you have scripture that proves that God
1:10:36
is going to send people to hell, or intellectually unable to
1:10:40
understand who Christ is, I would like to see a man's so
1:10:44
you're saying you're not human ma'am.
1:10:46
I want to see the verse you are talking to a Critic humans.
1:10:49
Think we are talking about a man.
1:10:52
So you're saying, not all humans have you were talking to a
1:10:55
student of the Bible. So if you want to help us about
1:10:58
something biblical, I'm going to challenge you on it and ask a
1:11:01
me, except here in action. I want contextual weird.
1:11:09
There's a scripture that talks about the concept of the age of
1:11:11
accountability, Isaiah 7, 15 through 16.
1:11:16
He will be eating curds and honey.
1:11:18
When he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right
1:11:21
you were before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and
1:11:25
choose the right, the land of the two kings, you dread will be
1:11:28
laid waste. So obviously, there's a point
1:11:31
where he becomes accountable for his, this would be injection of,
1:11:35
right? And choosing evil or rejecting
1:11:37
wrong. No disagreement that.
1:11:39
But that doesn't tell you how old this person right there is
1:11:44
some discussion and Not five read about it, usually points
1:11:48
out like the age of like 12 to 13 years old.
1:11:52
See, I don't, I think it could be younger.
1:11:55
It could be sure but I know they'll be younger than like ten
1:12:00
though. Yeah, well, yeah, I agree with
1:12:03
that. But again, the Bible disappoint
1:12:05
this house, specifically, it doesn't, that's why we have to
1:12:08
teach our children from Dave from day, one to the to know the
1:12:12
ways of the Lord, you know, just in case there is some sort of of
1:12:16
culpability on the kids part. You know, I don't believe that
1:12:20
the I don't believe a child who dies in the womb, or who was
1:12:23
aborted is going to go to hell, like some calvinist deals.
1:12:26
I didn't lie disagree with that nonsense.
1:12:29
Why would that be though? Why is why would that be wrong?
1:12:33
Because I think we are all saved in the same way that the people
1:12:38
in the Old Testament, were saved by God's grace.
1:12:41
And even though I would say there are some aspects to gods
1:12:46
Nathan. They had law back then Grace is
1:12:49
reason. Yeah, right so the grace is
1:12:51
Jesus. So before Jesus that was my
1:12:54
brother. Okay.
1:12:55
Yes, that's fine. But Jesus Is God incarnate.
1:12:57
So we went sailing race. We're talking about God in
1:13:00
general, and engine are. So you're carving, I'm saying,
1:13:02
York, I'm just pointing out your carving out exceptions to where
1:13:06
it's unjust for God to punish where I'm saying, oh, well,
1:13:11
you're saying you've designed just for God to punish a
1:13:13
mentally retarded person. Well, I'm not Would be unjust
1:13:17
forgot to do that. I'm just simply saying what God
1:13:21
has demonstrated according to his scripture, according to the
1:13:24
scripture, okay? That's why we say when we say
1:13:27
regarding the age of accountability, I can't disagree
1:13:32
with what was stated by TT. Are however all I'm challenging
1:13:35
is the specific age number it. The Bible doesn't point that
1:13:38
out, but I mean, that could be the case, I don't know.
1:13:40
In there may be no age that it comes to us.
1:13:43
What you also said in that, if they don't Develop a cognitive
1:13:48
talk enough cognitively to understand punishment and right
1:13:53
and wrong. That they are ever going to be
1:13:55
held accountable. Well, if a person is saved only
1:13:58
by the intelligent, understanding of the gospel, and
1:14:02
who Jesus Christ is then, you know, then all children are
1:14:07
going to hell then. Okay, but we need to ultimately
1:14:13
saved by the grace of God, by God's grace.
1:14:16
Race in the same way that universalism no, no, no, it's
1:14:21
not Universal isn't Universal and teaches that everyone is
1:14:23
going to heaven. Despite the fact that they, you
1:14:27
know, their relationship with God, whether they rejected Jesus
1:14:30
Christ or not, they're going to have an ultimately and that the
1:14:33
Bible is rejecting sin. Let's leave out the people who
1:14:36
say I reject good, but we know is a problem though.
1:14:40
We're talking about this category mistake, we're talking
1:14:44
about on one side people. Outright reject, they hear the
1:14:48
gospel and they rejected. The other side I'm saying is
1:14:51
that people who are either ignorant of it, but see, even in
1:14:54
that category, God still has the authority and the power and
1:14:58
ability to provide Grace on to those individuals and bring
1:15:03
Apostles and preachers and evangelists, or even himself to
1:15:07
these people. So that they do, believe till I
1:15:10
just met funds employee. Yeah.
1:15:13
Lived in North America during the time of Jesus.
1:15:16
Couldn't have heard it. How do you feel
1:15:45
about the existence of God? We're just talking about the
1:15:47
state of the mind, which would be will get your.
1:15:51
It's just basically saying you're a fool.
1:15:53
If you say that there is no God. Yeah, it's simple, letting you
1:15:56
got mental illness of some kind of what about mental illness.
1:16:02
What if you fool then it could be said that.
1:16:06
You are mentally. I don't want to say retarded,
1:16:09
but without it, I'm not saying that, but there are some scars
1:16:16
They might, they might in a really cooling fashion resort to
1:16:19
that - raise it, but I don't know.
1:16:25
I would just, you know, ask like okay if there's a certain
1:16:27
threshold, how do we know where that threshold of understanding
1:16:30
is and does any human ever meet that threshold of nearly
1:16:34
understanding the complexity of these questions because they
1:16:38
don't make a lot of sense. There you don't lose the meaning
1:16:41
I have as a human being is if you're a professing believer, of
1:16:45
Christ is to minister unto these people.
1:16:48
And if they reject the message that you're preaching to them,
1:16:51
you dust the sand off your feet and move on.
1:16:53
Now, it is that mean though to does the saying off your feet
1:16:56
and move on? No dude, what is it?
1:16:58
What is it mean to do to be what to have a belief in Christ?
1:17:03
What does that even mean? I think TTR said it many times
1:17:09
already today, Is it just to say, I believe in Jesus.
1:17:13
Now what does he even know what Jesus said to do by demons
1:17:18
believe in Jesus? No, Jesus took it much further.
1:17:21
He said you had to have no relationship with him.
1:17:24
What is that mean? Does that mean do what Jesus did
1:17:28
or does that mean? Just say it, you have to repent
1:17:31
of your sins, turn your back on them.
1:17:34
Turn your completely around, bend your knee to Jesus and
1:17:39
basically submit to him. What?
1:17:41
These are just platitudes. Do what actionable things
1:17:44
should? What Behavior you have?
1:17:49
Never spoken to him spoken to Jesus.
1:17:56
Would you be a traveling missionary supposed to speak to
1:18:00
Jesus? I know that you're actually
1:18:02
giving to the poor were like, how can we determine, who will
1:18:05
question it? That's not your business, your
1:18:07
business. The only reason that the only
1:18:09
business that you have on determining, Who's a Christian
1:18:11
or not. Is if number one there in your
1:18:13
congregation professing to be one or and or number two, if
1:18:18
you're involved in some sort of ministry with them.
1:18:20
Okay, no, no, we should go like that, you need to know that.
1:18:28
Like for example, if I want to, if I want to worship with
1:18:31
somebody, professors be a Christian, okay?
1:18:34
But there they tell me that they're believing in something
1:18:37
unbiblical. Well, either, I have to accept
1:18:41
one or two things. Either the accepting this out of
1:18:43
complete ignorance or there wolf in sheep's clothing, either way
1:18:47
because they don't believe like, I do with the scriptures, I'm
1:18:52
either just going to separate myself from them or if they are
1:18:55
in extreme heresy, I'll have to mark and avoid them and call
1:18:59
them out and make them out to be Heretics.
1:19:01
Before the church, isn't it? Like not.
1:19:03
So like a rich person. Like let's say the person is is
1:19:06
in ignorance, right? He's he has a See you basic
1:19:10
belief in Jesus Christ but he has a sincere ignorance of a
1:19:13
particular area of doctrine, that doesn't mean that he or she
1:19:16
is not saved. It just means that they're in
1:19:18
error in a particular part of one of the tenets of
1:19:23
Christianity. So that's not for me to judge
1:19:26
them in that particular area. Now, they're flat out saying
1:19:29
that Jesus never died I can I have every right to say that
1:19:32
this person's a heretic and we need to avoid them but if it's
1:19:35
an issue with like speaking in tongues or It reverses,
1:19:39
post-trib annihilationism versus ECT, you know, that kind of
1:19:44
thing I think that's about can can I be rich?
1:19:48
Can I be really rich? You can be rich and be a
1:19:51
Christian. No, you can't be rich.
1:19:56
You can be rich. If you don't let it control you,
1:19:59
that's not. What was it?
1:20:01
I have the camo. So what does that verse is more
1:20:04
likely for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than to get
1:20:07
for the rich person to get in? Have Jesus wasn't saying there's
1:20:11
a slight possibility so like it's impossible.
1:20:13
You can't be rich and followed him out on that was to tell him
1:20:34
get rid of all your possessions and then come follow me and the
1:20:38
guy walked away Way because he wasn't willing to do that.
1:20:41
He valued his riches more than he supposed to get to the for
1:20:45
don't record wealth, Jesus made it very clear.
1:20:48
Not to be wet, was claiming to be a Christian.
1:20:54
Then I know they don't really take it, seriously, Olivia, that
1:20:56
was a test. It Jesus didn't say.
1:20:58
Don't be rich. He would have kept all the
1:21:05
Commandments and Jesus because he's got a new the guys heart.
1:21:09
The guy valued his riches more than God and so he tested him by
1:21:13
telling him to give it all up. That's not a general commands.
1:21:17
All the rich people that we invest for one specific person.
1:21:21
He was talking to it. That much.
1:21:22
No, that's right. He says it's harder for
1:21:26
enrichment. Any Richmond?
1:21:28
No into haven't said it is. It's well, how are you miss you,
1:21:40
miss all that t, TR said again, the reason why
1:22:09
Heidi. I'm sorry.
1:22:10
Ma'am, with all due respect, you don't know.
1:22:11
You talk about the even know what book and chapter.
1:22:13
It's in. If you see if you say everyone,
1:22:17
that means any rich man. But I know where it is.
1:22:21
I just want to know if Wild Heart knows it.
1:22:23
He doesn't want to show it on the screen.
1:22:43
Rich people because they have and they feel that they don't
1:22:48
need God. They don't need salvation
1:22:49
because they're rich, that's why he's saying that it's harder for
1:22:52
them. He doesn't say it's hard because
1:22:54
they have money. He doesn't say exactly the money
1:23:00
is there. God does apply to all.
1:23:08
So it's Well, for rich people to get into heaven.
1:23:11
No, it says it's that you can't fit a camel through, and I
1:23:14
didn't even write and tell you, it is hard for someone who is
1:23:21
Rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
1:23:23
Not impossible hard. There is T, no, I just swore is
1:23:27
it impossible. He said, someone who is Rich.
1:23:31
That means every rich person. Oh my gosh, then I heard
1:23:34
impossible to in the translation.
1:23:36
I heard too. It's hot.
1:23:39
That's because you thinking of verse 26.
1:23:42
Who do you have a camel to go through the eye of a needle?
1:23:45
You can't part, is it? It's like that part when he uses
1:23:49
the word impossible. That's not in the verse.
1:23:51
That's not in the part where he's speaking about how
1:23:54
difficult it is for a rich man. King Manuel how first example.
1:24:12
Impossible. Why does he say this is
1:24:14
impossible? The same.
1:24:16
Yeah, I say the disciples had this idea and a lot of people in
1:24:19
their time had this idea that if you were a rich person, it would
1:24:23
be easier for you to get saved and someone like them because
1:24:27
God can really use you. Right?
1:24:29
Exactly. So, when they heard Jesus say
1:24:32
this, they were astonished because it went against
1:24:34
everything that they culturally believed about rich people,
1:24:37
right? Because we all agree that, you
1:24:40
know, people with a lot of money, they Can they can be very
1:24:44
altruistic and, you know, make out many kind of profitable
1:24:49
moral contributions to society. Like, that's being named like
1:24:52
that thing. They keep hanging Elon Musk with
1:24:54
this. We call the lefties who were
1:24:56
saying, well, you could have taken that forty four billion
1:24:59
dollars you used to buy Twitter. And you could have fed all kinds
1:25:02
of poor and hungry, people, and solve World, poverty and blah
1:25:06
blah blah. I hope the climate right.
1:25:08
But yet he's the one who created the electric.
1:25:12
Well, he could have fed the homeless if you were a
1:25:14
Christian. I mean, that's true.
1:25:16
He could have no income the finest schools.
1:25:19
He could have done good things with his movie rather, than, by
1:25:22
that website. Well, if you I'm not saying I'm
1:25:25
not saying Elon Musk is a Christian, I don't believe he
1:25:29
is. But let me ask you this though.
1:25:31
How do you know that he hasn't made any type of contributions
1:25:34
like that to help the poor? How do you know that?
1:25:37
You just you just arbitrary mistake.
1:25:40
You could change the world but he hasn't
1:26:08
Hey Rob, how are you? I'm good.
1:26:12
Couldn't stay out. I was trying very hard for here.
1:26:17
Olivia, I just wanted to say hello.
1:26:20
Yeah. What you need to understand
1:26:23
here? Hi, I'm Rob.
1:26:25
Is that, when Jesus speaking, these words to the rich, man, he
1:26:29
hasn't paved the way yet. Ready hasn't died yet he hasn't
1:26:33
resurrected yet so he's talking about one's ability to be able
1:26:39
to be saved that it It is impossible for anyone to be
1:26:44
saved and have right relationship with God without
1:26:48
Jesus. That's, that's without him.
1:26:50
That's going to be the ultimate end of the story.
1:26:52
So it's the same reason, for instance, that he would have
1:26:56
appealed to the people on The Sermon, on the Mount to say, you
1:26:59
think that you are sinless perfect.
1:27:01
Because you don't commit adultery, you have a wife and
1:27:05
you do just fine there. But I tell you that, even if you
1:27:09
think about it with someone else, you're The act the same
1:27:14
with murder like you think, you know.
1:27:16
So it's the same speech that he gave to other people as he gave
1:27:19
to the rich man, but he sort of there were people in the
1:27:21
audience. You can bet that had these
1:27:25
issues on The Sermon on the Mount similar to the rich man.
1:27:28
So he also said regarding murder, you think you're okay
1:27:31
because you haven't killed anybody but I tell you even if
1:27:34
you get angry with someone, you have hatred in your heart.
1:27:38
For someone that that is subjecting you to the Same level
1:27:42
of penalty. Yeah.
1:27:44
Jesus was all about pointing out people's hypocrisy and saying,
1:27:48
you're no better than other people and since pretty equal,
1:27:52
no will take a little more than that, Olivia.
1:27:54
Yeah, he's yours. He's not, he's not, he's if he's
1:27:57
identifying hypocrisies. Identifying it in me.
1:28:01
Tto our vehicle and you everyone.
1:28:04
Yeah. Why would you man?
1:28:05
Right. That's right.
1:28:06
Now, you got it and that's it. So he makes sure that the people
1:28:10
who are prideful this is what Made sure who felt
1:28:14
self-righteous that they're good enough because they do good
1:28:20
things. They donate.
1:28:21
They do whatever it is. He made sure that it was clear
1:28:25
to them. That no, that's not community in
1:28:29
no pocket. Attentions just works.
1:28:31
You can't know. There's nothing you can do to
1:28:35
earn your way in because every single person you me Beckel
1:28:41
Brett. Everybody, my son, who's 15, you
1:28:45
messed up. You're not gonna be able to make
1:28:46
it on your own Merit. So in the case of the rich, man,
1:28:49
with the rich man needed to hear which was a hard pill for him to
1:28:52
swallow and we know in the story that he didn't swallow, it was
1:28:55
like okay, here's where I'm going to show you Richmond.
1:28:58
You think you abide by everything but I'm going to show
1:29:01
you your personal idolatry and your idolatry is your love of
1:29:06
money. And when I tell you that you
1:29:09
give up your money, all Jesus was doing there was Not saying
1:29:12
you're a bad person for being rich, he's saying, you are
1:29:17
idolatrous and love money more than me.
1:29:20
And that's exactly why you aren't deserving a relationship
1:29:23
with me. Yeah.
1:29:25
Okay. Yeah, I will punch out again.
1:29:28
You do say someone who is Rich, which means our, which people?
1:29:31
Oh, come on. And we're here it's obvious
1:29:38
here. It's wild hard as well as
1:29:40
Olivia. I don't know if you've ever even
1:29:41
read the Old Testament, Mint. But you do know that God deals
1:29:44
with a lot of kings and a lot of leaders and the Old Testament
1:29:47
and these men were wealthy, God had given them great blessings
1:29:52
and things. So it's not about just having
1:29:55
money. It's about the greed and how it
1:29:57
changes your behavior and said, God I don't know how to govern
1:30:10
this Kingdom. I just want you to give Wisdom
1:30:13
and knowledge so that I can properly govern and make proper
1:30:16
discernment, in terms of legal decisions and all this stuff.
1:30:19
And God said, not only will I give you that, but because you
1:30:23
asked for that and not for riches, I'm going to go A Step
1:30:26
Beyond, I'm not just going to make you smarter than anyone
1:30:29
who's ever lived or will ever live.
1:30:31
I'm going to give you what you didn't ask for.
1:30:33
I'm going to give you riches. So if being rich was a sin and a
1:30:37
crime against God, why on Earth would God give Solomon riches as
1:30:42
Well as wisdom. Oh my God.
1:31:05
Why he didn't work with? Would like we like to portray in
1:31:10
that way. I think Jim Caviezel.
1:31:12
Made a nice little bench or something in Passion of the
1:31:15
Christ. He was a tecton which is
1:31:17
essentially the day, what he would have done is he would have
1:31:20
been like a four-person a stonemason who built things, you
1:31:28
know, it out of stone. That's why he used examples,
1:31:31
like the Capstone and things like that that he had my
1:31:34
understanding of that and he would have been his father's
1:31:37
business was certainly successful that he took over.
1:31:40
Not the his Father in heaven, but his Earthly father, his
1:31:44
adoptive father's business was just fine.
1:31:46
So Jesus was not a poor man, he got riches from the Kings who
1:31:53
came when he was a baby. Jay said, that his Revenue.
1:31:57
That's what have been middle class though in terms of the
1:32:00
kind of business he was in with his family?
1:32:02
Well, I mean, I think he might have been a little higher, maybe
1:32:05
High middle class, maybe maybe upper middle class, maybe but
1:32:08
you definitely, he wasn't part of the wealthy Elite.
1:32:11
That's for Olivia is Write the things that the the as we refer
1:32:16
to as the wise men, they brought some very expensive stuff to
1:32:19
him. That would have set the family
1:32:21
up. May have even allowed Joseph to
1:32:23
start his business with into. He says all the time he's
1:32:26
troubling and know, it does, it mention him working in the
1:32:29
Bible, he was attacked on. Yeah.
1:32:32
Uses the Greek word time time. Well, these are 30 years old
1:32:37
when he started his ministry. So obviously he would have been
1:32:40
working at other jobs and has been About prior to that.
1:32:43
But let me see if I can find the Bible.
1:32:47
Verse. Well, what horse are you looking
1:32:51
for? Well, we're it says that he's a
1:32:53
tecton, is it? Remember which of gospel?
1:32:57
It's in looking what? He's a tech Titan lectern.
1:33:03
And we, the waking James said it was like a carpenter, like some
1:33:09
sort of Transformer. Like a Transformer.
1:33:14
The Transformer gonna go back in there so he couldn't have a job.
1:33:26
One shall fall, he did need money.
1:33:31
He was the missionary and PP just gay, he people gave him
1:33:34
money and gave him food and gave him a place to stay when he
1:33:37
traveled around. Eventually it will be slightly
1:33:41
hypocritical for him to ask people to give away.
1:34:01
Follow me live with you say in several different places.
1:34:04
Nothing. Well, you said, I think I know
1:34:07
the one and the ones might have been identify.
1:34:10
Can show the other ones because I don't remember the other ones,
1:34:13
but I think the crucial thing about what most people don't
1:34:16
agree on in Christianity. And in general is what faith in
1:34:22
it takes to be forgiven, is everyone forgiven, by the sheer
1:34:26
Act of Jesus sacrifice has an automatic forgiveness, or does
1:34:30
some act on our part need to be done for us to be.
1:34:36
And then wouldn't that act itself be you know mean that we
1:34:42
have to save ourselves in again. You know what I mean some
1:34:46
actions have to do as far as I've said, many times recently
1:34:53
you have to repent and enter into a personal relationship
1:34:57
with Jesus, in order for his sacrifice to be applied to you,
1:35:02
that's marketable. Lays out.
1:35:05
What is That mean is that the so that can't be Universal because
1:35:08
not everyone can universally do that.
1:35:11
I'm still unclear as to how you have a personal relationship
1:35:13
with someone. You've never spoken, I'll talk
1:35:15
to you know, see Mets because he's a personal relationship.
1:35:37
He speaks to me through his written word and sometimes he
1:35:40
puts thoughts in my head, that clearly aren't my own.
1:35:43
Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, well I like you a lot.
1:35:47
So, that's true. Yeah, that's not what I think
1:35:50
that. Yeah, I think that the mind that
1:35:52
God gave us that that has a Consciousness.
1:35:54
I think that that is a Divine Source.
1:35:57
I think it is, everyone's ability to connect to the higher
1:36:00
source. It's what separates us from the
1:36:03
lower animals, even science would probably agree with that.
1:36:09
My dog may not because his conscience isn't as evolved as
1:36:13
mine. He just loves me, no matter.
1:36:17
She just loves me because I'm delivering him to lunch.
1:36:21
I just got off. This were just automatically
1:36:25
forgiving the people who lived like in other continents from
1:36:29
Jesus. Right then who could never hear
1:36:32
about Jesus. They're just what automatically
1:36:34
forgiven or some different standard is applied?
1:36:37
No, hold on. I got the verse that talks about
1:36:40
exactly what you just brought up.
1:36:43
I just got to add it to the Stream.
1:36:46
Let me guess his Junta, no neighbors 11:39 through 40.
1:36:52
These were all commended for their faith yet.
1:36:54
None of them received what had been promised since God had
1:36:57
planned. Something better for us, so that
1:36:59
only together with us, would they be made perfect?
1:37:03
So, before these verses God had talked about through his written
1:37:07
word, all the different Old Testament, people of Faith.
1:37:10
This is the famous Hall of Faith passage.
1:37:13
And so with this passage that comes after his Name is that all
1:37:17
the Old Testament Saints? They were saved on what was to
1:37:20
come which was Jesus. We today are saved by what
1:37:25
happened in the past which is Jesus sacrifice.
1:37:28
So together we're saved by the same person but they were saved
1:37:33
on future credit. We were saved on past work of
1:37:36
Jesus. That's the difference between
1:37:38
us. So everyone is saved.
1:37:41
No, no, just the Old Testament people who were saved.
1:37:45
They were saved. On credit people like me or like
1:37:47
Native Americans were saved. Aboriginal Australians aren't
1:37:52
saved who's not. So are they saved or know our
1:37:56
ancient Egyptians that if they go to, if they do, they'll be
1:38:01
saved the same way that everyone else is saved.
1:38:03
Is through Jesus Christ and the grace of God, or how would an
1:38:06
ancient Egyptian who built the pyramids know about Jesus.
1:38:09
They wouldn't the, but they would have abrasive, didn't
1:38:12
know. I think about saying all those,
1:38:14
that didn't know this. Wait a Michael out, but I
1:38:17
already answered that question. People will be saved by the
1:38:21
grace of God. Ultimately.
1:38:23
Okay. We even see the Israelites,
1:38:25
embracing, some Egyptians unto the Israelites because when
1:38:30
example, one guy didn't have a son but he had two daughters.
1:38:34
I think that his name was Beaufort had or something like
1:38:37
that and he needed to marry them but he didn't have a son.
1:38:42
All he had were two daughters. So what did he do?
1:38:44
He ended up letting them. Marry an Egyptian, man.
1:38:48
So, what I'd like to point out in response to Olivia, well,
1:38:51
who's going to be saved and all this, Luke 12:47 through 48.
1:38:56
This is Jesus. Talking says the servant, who
1:38:59
knows the Masters will and does not get ready or does not do it.
1:39:02
The master once will be beaten with many blows but the one who
1:39:05
does not know and does things, deserving punishment will be
1:39:09
beaten with few blows from everyone who has been given much
1:39:12
much will be demanded. And from the one who has been
1:39:14
entrusted with much much more will be asked What Jesus is
1:39:18
teaching here is that you're only responsible for what, you
1:39:22
know, if you know a lot, you're going to be held accountable for
1:39:26
it. If you don't know that much,
1:39:28
you're going to be held accountable for the little you
1:39:30
do know. And might add, this is where
1:39:32
Uncle Ben. Got the words with great power
1:39:35
comes great responsibility. Furthermore, and Romans 2 14
1:39:41
through 15, it says, indeed when Gentiles who do not have the law
1:39:45
do by Nature things required by the The law.
1:39:48
They are a law for themselves. Even though they do not have the
1:39:51
law, they show that the requirements of the law are
1:39:53
written on their hearts. Their conscience has also
1:39:56
bearing witness and their thoughts, sometimes accusing
1:39:59
them, and at other times, even defending them.
1:40:02
This passage is teaching that everyone's consciences,
1:40:06
everyone's heart. They know the laws of God at
1:40:09
least the very basic laws of gods, they know, the of God,
1:40:12
they know in their heart and their consciences.
1:40:14
Furthermore, in Romans 1:18 through 20, we read Read the
1:40:18
wrath of God is being revealed from Heaven, against all the
1:40:21
godlessness and wickedness of people who suppress the truth by
1:40:25
their wickedness. Since what may be known about
1:40:27
God, is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them
1:40:30
for, since the creation of the world, God's invisible
1:40:33
qualities, his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly
1:40:37
seen being understand understood from what has been made, so that
1:40:41
people are without excuse. So, without any kind of gospel
1:40:45
input, God says that everyone already Enos just by observing
1:40:49
creation that he exists and what his attributes are.
1:40:52
Romans to makes it clear that we all know God's laws deep in our
1:40:56
hearts, whether we sub consciously or subconsciously
1:40:59
acknowledge it or not. And so, those are things that
1:41:03
all people know, regardless of whether they've ever had the
1:41:06
gospel preached to them. So at the bare minimum, when
1:41:10
God, judges someone, if he judges someone who's never heard
1:41:13
the gospel, never heard about Jesus.
1:41:16
Never heard about any of the things.
1:41:17
I Usually talk about my videos, he's going to judge people by
1:41:21
those three things. Do they acknowledge that I
1:41:23
exist. Do they acknowledge what my
1:41:25
attributes are? Do they follow the laws that
1:41:28
they clearly know her mind that are in their heart?
1:41:31
I believe in the severe case of someone who dies never having
1:41:34
heard of anything in the Bible. Those are the three standards
1:41:38
that God's going to judge them with, right?
1:41:41
I totally agree with the hey. So to get to a point.
1:41:46
You were making overall, is that?
1:41:47
Their levels of punishment. Okay?
1:41:50
They are is it levels of power is like Purgatory or some?
1:41:55
What is that theology coming from someone who has never heard
1:42:00
of Jesus? Is not going to be punished for
1:42:03
rejecting. Jesus is what I'm trying to
1:42:05
point out. Yeah, you're punished for what,
1:42:08
you know, if you reject what, you know, you're punished and
1:42:11
that will vary depending on what you know.
1:42:13
So the more you know, the more responsible you are because if
1:42:16
you start rejecting today, Amen. So either you're saying there's
1:42:22
levels of punishment know, there's Neville's there's levels
1:42:26
of knowledge, there's levels of judgment, but there's not
1:42:29
different levels of punishment, the punishments, the same and
1:42:33
then and that's the way it works and everyday life, doesn't it?
1:42:36
If you go out for a job and you're in training make mistakes
1:42:40
they understand your new edit. You've been working here for
1:42:43
five years and you take a dump on plates or whatever you're
1:42:46
doing. I said what the hell you been.
1:42:47
Working for five years. You know, that's not the way we
1:42:50
do take that is very true. Regret going to send, you know,
1:42:56
we're talking about very severe punishment, this way, Olivia,
1:43:02
this is a nice way for you to think about it.
1:43:04
Is that one of my favorite theologians the guy by the name
1:43:08
of Dallas Willard. Very, very bright man.
1:43:11
God Rest his soul. He's a brother in Christ.
1:43:13
He said the fires of Heaven, Well, be hotter than the fires
1:43:20
of hell, and which essentially means the way I interpreted, and
1:43:24
every, every one that can to can tolerate heaven, where heaven is
1:43:29
heaven will go there. I honestly, but I believe that.
1:43:34
And in your case, as an example, this God of the Bible, irritates
1:43:40
you, I think bothers you. And the idea of you going to the
1:43:45
place where this God of the Bible is, is some place you
1:43:48
don't want to be. Would that be a fair statement?
1:43:52
Well, it depends on who's talking about it, but as far as,
1:43:54
you know, Christians generally speaking kind of, yeah, I think
1:43:59
I wouldn't want to be around that had about Christians, what
1:44:02
you've read in the Bible about God.
1:44:04
I haven't read anything in the Bible.
1:44:05
I've never read the Bible. Well, Memorize memorize Bible
1:44:09
verses and I had to go to church, but I do have an idea
1:44:13
about some of the bad stuff, like wild heart, you know, you
1:44:16
heard from wild heart, you know, about the genocides and stuff of
1:44:19
the quote-unquote in the Bible, right?
1:44:20
And that irritates you right? Well, I mean that's humans.
1:44:25
The think that the problem I have is can be broken down as
1:44:29
this. You can't say that there's this
1:44:33
guy for this creature. I created you and I love you,
1:44:37
but if you don't worship me and believe in me with no evidence,
1:44:42
I'm going to torture. You also, you are free to be
1:44:45
yourself, but unless you do exactly what I want of you, I'm
1:44:49
going to torture you but I love you.
1:45:07
Christian, I didn't become a Christian 1237, so it's not like
1:45:11
I wasn't born in the faith at all.
1:45:14
So you're talking about a big hurdle for me, in the ends of
1:45:18
the point that I'm making, the Dallas Willard was making, is
1:45:21
that it is very possible. That for someone like, you,
1:45:24
Olivia Heaven, might be torture. And so God gives you that God,
1:45:31
gives you the choice not to be to suffer in heaven, which is a
1:45:37
place that you would be uncomfortable in and that is the
1:45:41
Free Will choice that he's given you because you can set those
1:45:44
somewhere else to go to me, really?
1:45:47
And I would like for you, as a non-believer, sit back and go.
1:45:50
Why are you fighting it so hard? Because I'm not a non-believer.
1:45:53
Is why it is the idea of The 90s beautiful story really of God's
1:46:04
attempt to redeem man. Let's just let's view it as just
1:46:07
a fictional story and we love that because the Jesus story is
1:46:11
in so much of our Fiction. It's everywhere, it's in Harry
1:46:14
Potter. I love Harry Potter.
1:46:16
Harry Potter's gdgs the Jesus figures, Harry Potter himself,
1:46:20
lest the died for his friends. In fact, Dumbledore uses the
1:46:23
very friend. The very phrase that Jesus had
1:46:26
talked about about dying for your friend, you know, the
1:46:28
Great. Just love of all kind of thing
1:46:30
was paraphrase thing. So if you view it as just a
1:46:34
story of God of this, this entity that tries to get right
1:46:39
relationship with his creation and he does it in a way where he
1:46:44
he gives up himself. There is a penalty for his
1:46:47
creation as a result of this fall and he provided a means for
1:46:52
them to have right relationship with him.
1:46:57
And all you had to do, Believe you didn't have to have
1:47:01
Perfection, you didn't have to have works at balance the
1:47:04
scales, right? Like a Muslim, all you have to
1:47:06
do is believe in that with a work of Jesus on the cross and
1:47:11
its most, especially the resurrection and that you would
1:47:15
get eternal life through that. To me, that is not a story
1:47:19
that's offensive in the least. I'd like to I'm sorry you
1:47:23
finish. No, it's okay.
1:47:25
I'll just leave it at that. So what I would like for you as
1:47:27
a non-believer to focus on is is that and not all of the Angry
1:47:32
questions you have, because the truth is, and I hope that Google
1:47:36
and tto are and even Bracken can agree, is we we can't, when you
1:47:42
ask when a non-believer going to do like this, what you're asking
1:47:53
us to speculate we could do our best and we can use scripture to
1:47:56
kind of support are speculation, but Can't, you know, in the same
1:48:01
way that that tto are can't tell you why.
1:48:06
I do the things I do on YouTube, and I can't do the same with
1:48:10
him. I can't speak for him.
1:48:11
I have an idea of why, but I can never say definitively.
1:48:16
So the questions you asked us, you would have to agree.
1:48:19
There is a level of unfairness to it.
1:48:22
If you want to ask me how I got past you hurdle, I could tell
1:48:25
here's what I would ask right now, and I'm going to suggest
1:48:29
Suggest this thing? Sure.
1:48:31
Did you're not asking me to believe and say a factoid is not
1:48:38
the same as asking me to believe in a philosophy.
1:48:41
Is that correct? Like is learning the years and
1:48:44
dates of History, the same as understanding history.
1:48:50
You know, they got together, but they're not Declaration of
1:49:01
Independence. So I'm going to suggest this.
1:49:04
I don't if whether or not some person named Jesus who lived
1:49:09
this time ago, blah, blah blah is God is, do I have a belief in
1:49:14
that? No.
1:49:15
Do I believe I'm forgiven by God?
1:49:19
Yeah. Max.
1:49:20
And that's all I need to believe that whether the specific magic
1:49:27
of Jesus is real, I don't particularly go somewhere.
1:49:31
How do you believe in them? What's God, the creator of the
1:49:34
universe? Well, what's his heart?
1:49:37
It doesn't need a good name it. They, she they don't need a
1:49:41
name. They don't have a name.
1:49:43
See you at the office of some sort but you don't believe in
1:49:45
any particular God, correct. I don't believe in any.
1:49:49
A flavor that I've ever heard because they don't make any
1:49:52
sense to me. It sounds like you believe in
1:49:55
deism. Then yeah, I would say that that
1:49:58
can didn't. I've gone by agnostic?
1:50:00
I've gone by Christian. I go by deist.
1:50:03
There's no leave here. I'll say this.
1:50:19
Died for my sins. I don't need to do anything
1:50:22
else. No!
1:50:23
Worries makes me worrying. We will get.
1:50:26
You said you believe that Jesus died for your sins?
1:50:29
I'm saying if so, if okay, if so I don't need to go any farther
1:50:34
in Christianity, if that's true. I'm saved.
1:50:38
Yeah. And then and what's gonna happen
1:50:41
to you is that like things start happening in here.
1:50:45
There's a new creation that's built.
1:50:47
You, you become a different person.
1:50:49
Now, In every way, but in a lot of ways.
1:50:52
Yeah, yeah. That's it.
1:50:54
You can't say, it's not like you're trying to let me just
1:50:57
make sure. I understand you saying.
1:50:59
If it's true that Jesus died for your sins, then it doesn't
1:51:02
matter. Correct.
1:51:04
Okay. But the problem is though, that
1:51:06
you use your skipping out on the part to that, you have to you
1:51:09
have to believe. Yeah, I believe in forgiving
1:51:12
guy, I do believe that so therefore I am see what you're
1:51:16
preaching is universalism that you don't even have to believe
1:51:19
in. Christ.
1:51:19
You just the fact that he did something.
1:51:22
Therefore, automatically makes everybody saved whether or not
1:51:25
they believe in them. See, that's, that's not really.
1:51:28
What do I have to believe in? Because, like, what specifically
1:51:32
are you telling me? I need to believe.
1:51:46
I don't believe anything. Paul says, I think Paul is an
1:51:49
ass. Ste person then you're not a
1:51:50
Christian, which is here too many people on the counter.
1:52:19
actually that no sorts of people, he was on
1:53:19
Both. Yeah.
1:53:20
Yeah. You're just, you're not even
1:53:21
going to let someone give you the passage the show
1:53:24
differently. This is odd way of doing things.
1:53:27
This is not what I call critical thinking, ladies.
1:53:30
Yeah, you really need to be educated before you speak.
1:53:41
So bluntly, I don't need to read everything.
1:54:02
Jesus. I love this passage to.
1:54:04
Meanwhile saw that was his former name was still breathing
1:54:07
out murderous threats against the Lord's disciples.
1:54:10
He went to the high priest and ask them for letters to the
1:54:13
synagogues in Damascus. So that if he found there any
1:54:16
there who belong to the way capital w, Where the men or
1:54:20
women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem as he
1:54:24
neared Damascus on his journey suddenly a light from Heaven
1:54:26
flashed around him and he fell to the ground and Heard a Voice
1:54:29
say to him. Saul Saul, why do you persecute
1:54:32
me? Who are you Lord?
1:54:34
Saul asked, I am Jesus. Whom you are persecuting.
1:54:37
He replied now get up and go into the City and you'll be told
1:54:41
what you must do and the men traveling with Saul stood there
1:54:45
speechless, they heard the sound but did not see.
1:54:47
Anyone saw got up from The ground.
1:54:49
But when he opened his eyes, he couldn't see anything.
1:54:52
So they let him by the hand into Damascus for three days.
1:54:55
He was blind and did not eat or drink anything.
1:54:59
Let me keep going. Now, we're good.
1:55:03
I got pretty much establishes that Paul actually did meet
1:55:06
Jesus. Yes, he did.
1:55:29
So good, is that it to James and John, look, what happened to me
1:55:33
in here, Jesus. I fart.
1:55:34
And what I've learned. And they had a little checks and
1:55:38
balances thing. And Paul tells us in First
1:55:41
Corinthians 15 from one to ten, what the church believed.
1:55:46
Ya, then two decades, right? Let's not mean, I don't believe
1:55:52
Paul. I don't have to believe Paul and
1:55:55
he, I don't need to have faith in anything Paul react because
1:55:58
you're not a Christian. I don't know.
1:56:02
You have to believe in Jesus. Not nice.
1:56:29
Believer is he is perfect. You mentioned history, Olivia.
1:56:34
It is Paul where no secular historian atheist is going to
1:56:39
say that you know there are no Palm ethicists.
1:56:42
Okay? And for good reason so we can
1:56:45
use Paul to, you know, they say faith.
1:56:49
Scripture says that faith is the hope that we have in things,
1:56:53
unseen something paraphrasing, but it's Paul and his letters.
1:56:58
And what we can derive out of his letters that allows a
1:57:03
Christian today to have confidence, not just on things,
1:57:07
unseen, but on things seen me the testimony of witnesses of
1:57:13
people that we know really existed.
1:57:17
Chris Paul isn't an only guy Paul Paul, Luke, the author of
1:57:22
Acts that were looking at right now, he tells the story of the
1:57:25
early church where Paul, after at starting, X7.
1:57:29
I'm just saying fight, is that any of that matter though?
1:57:34
Because then we see this group of small group, spread like a
1:57:41
virus when there was no, like, a wildfire is the best thing for
1:57:45
me to say not a virus because it's a, these PCS.
1:57:49
We see it spread even such an amazing way because it since I'm
1:57:55
a Christian because it's all true.
1:57:57
It's written. In down because it's romantic
1:58:00
and a religion, I mean, you didn't do anything.
1:58:28
Given all this just I am thinking for dinner and I don't
1:58:31
have faith in. Wait a minute gang named
1:58:35
iterating which was probably wasn't even his real name.
1:58:38
Obey. Jesus is a translation that
1:58:41
wasn't his real name or not this argument.
1:58:44
It's pretty cool. It's just and idea, you know,
1:58:46
thinking about idea, not a name. Listen, listen, listen, nobody
1:58:51
cares about the argument of. Yes, Yeshua verses Jesus aea
1:58:55
suits and all that other stuff. These are transliterations.
1:58:57
Okay. That's Daddy, right?
1:58:59
So it's an idea. You have faith in the idea.
1:59:01
No, no faith in the idea that God forgives you and you could
1:59:06
try to do better. I'm just saying what my thought
1:59:21
is? Why that's all it needs for me.
1:59:24
My faith is, I've had faith and forgiving, and that I should
1:59:27
work to be a better person. Next year, you keep on calling
1:59:30
about. We have never read the Bible and
1:59:32
then he claims. And then when someone tries to
1:59:35
answer them all of a sudden the responses, why should I care?
1:59:40
What I mean, why should I care? It's the only important part is
1:59:44
if I'm going to go to heaven or hell, Jesus said Jesus said he's
1:59:48
the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the father,
1:59:51
except through him, that's why you should care.
1:59:53
Well what does that mean? It means that universe Does it
2:00:03
mean that there's only one way to get to heaven?
2:00:28
I can't see anything. We got, we're gonna stay open
2:00:32
room, folks. Who is rapid dossett.
2:00:38
Come on, camera. Rafi, Rafi.
2:00:42
Rafi, are you going to say hello?
2:00:44
Speak up. Hello.
2:00:47
Rafi. Are you real is this thing on?
2:00:52
Is he real person? There we go.
2:00:55
There we go. It's one of those things.
2:00:57
Brett. I haven't seen one of those in a
2:00:59
while. Oh yeah.
2:01:03
Highly encourage you to read it first and then come to a
2:01:13
conclusion which version I would recommend reading it anyway,
2:01:16
even if we Believe in the village, read whatever version.
2:01:18
You can understand, whichever one you want to read.
2:01:24
Just really even like the ones that people call satanic Jack.
2:01:28
I came to Faith via the NIV. So if you want to read the NIV,
2:01:32
we can talk, maybe not vehicle. Don't read the vekl translation.
2:01:42
I would concur with Rob if you can read the Bible and properly
2:01:46
understand What it says Olivia and yet you still reject, it
2:01:49
will respect you for that but yeah, you should at least know
2:01:52
what you're rejecting before you get Jacqueline.
2:01:56
I've never read the Bible but I am certain about every person
2:02:00
that discussed over the last 15 years on YouTube.
2:02:03
Yeah, but you don't have you don't have like this with new
2:02:12
stuff came to me. All due respect you.
2:02:17
It doesn't matter how many times you read the scriptures you
2:02:19
clearly demonstrate over and over again that you don't know
2:02:22
what it is that you read well by proving you wrong twice at least
2:02:25
just I don't know. You didn't find me on any topic
2:02:31
regarding Christianity. I was I was a lad we accepted
2:02:44
and over them. I don't know.
2:02:46
How they do things in your country but in order to have
2:02:49
conversation, one persepolis be quiet.
2:02:52
The other one talks and then you switch back and forth.
2:02:54
It's an interesting concept. Yeah, he was he was laughed out
2:02:58
loud. No wild.
2:02:59
Are you just name the time and the place I would gladly debate.
2:03:04
You anytime on any topic regarding tenets of
2:03:08
Christianity, anytime you're ready like, well by, do you
2:03:11
agree that the Bible says every rich man.
2:03:14
So one who is Rich means we've Everyone in this room, that is a
2:03:18
student of the Bible is already proving you wrong about that.
2:03:21
We had both passages from of Jesus and the Rich Man story on
2:03:25
screen and in both passages it said that it was hard for the
2:03:29
rich man to enter. Not that it was impossible.
2:03:32
So sure. Oh grandma just called someone
2:03:38
who is Rich. Does that mean every rich person
2:03:41
because of my gosh again we well are we all don't?
2:03:45
Listen listen listen. We've I've already explained
2:03:47
this to you about why? Jesus said what he said about it
2:03:50
being hard for a rich man to listen.
2:03:53
Listen. All right.
2:03:58
This is why you don't Wild Heart.
2:04:03
Maybe he just needs to be quiet for a second.
2:04:05
This is why he's asking the same questions in every hang out of.
2:04:07
He goes to his because he doesn't listen, I do.
2:04:11
The point isn't wealth in that passage well-tied it's idolatry.
2:04:16
Exactly, it TTL heart. Yes, it is.
2:04:21
It is hard for. I'm throwing you a bone.
2:04:23
It is hard. It is hard for every rich man to
2:04:29
it. Be easier for a camel to go
2:04:30
through and I am you. Yes.
2:04:32
Why? Because of their idolatry
2:04:35
exactly staying that because Jesus obviously not listening,
2:04:40
he's not listening. We can see the look in your your
2:04:45
eye. It's like a deer and I believe
2:05:16
It's a wild. Heart one did Rob say earlier.
2:05:19
Can you describe even just a couple of the things that Rob
2:05:22
was telling you why? I think that's it was it was
2:05:25
like salvation, not all right. It's with me.
2:05:52
This is no hater anything. But do you have attention?
2:05:55
I'll even I'll even sheet and put the structure back on screen
2:06:00
are. Go ahead.
2:06:01
Put it up on screen showing the Rich Man story.
2:06:04
Right here, telling me that, that only Elon Musk can go to
2:06:08
heaven, is that we were saying, is that what you're saying?
2:06:15
Not only did Jesus. Say every rich man won't but
2:06:21
every poor man as well. Nice wealth.
2:06:25
Wealth is not the important so that's it.
2:06:28
Everybody has our own little personal ideology.
2:06:31
Sometimes it's the poor people, their own poverty.
2:06:34
Becomes their idolatry. Yeah.
2:06:36
What are you going to stand there?
2:06:38
I'll be real quick. The real reason why Jesus is
2:06:41
saying this, the real point of all this is to show you the
2:06:45
utter impossibility. It is for man through his own
2:06:48
efforts or his reputation to get into heaven.
2:06:54
Okay. It is solely by the grace of God
2:06:57
that you must get an F. That's why he gave him that
2:06:59
challenge. Oh oh, oh you got all this
2:07:01
money, you kept all of The Commandments.
2:07:03
Okay, let's see, let's see. I know go give all your stuff
2:07:07
for free to the poor and he just like I think somebody's calling
2:07:11
me, I'll be right back and he left.
2:07:13
Yeah, so that's fair enough. But my point wasn't about any of
2:07:16
that, it was just on the simple basic facts.
2:07:19
He was talking about every rich man.
2:07:21
That was the only point I was trying to know whenever
2:07:36
it's much deeper than that. We're wasting our time.
2:08:01
Yeah. If he's not even going to
2:08:03
listen, let's make sure that he's actually listening Wild
2:08:07
Heart. What did mean ptor say to you
2:08:09
about Solomon earlier Suliman? Wow, he talking about the fish.
2:08:15
Okay, it's like genuinely wildheart.
2:08:20
We we spent like 10 minutes talking about it.
2:08:24
Man who prayed for wisdom and God said, Not only am I going to
2:08:28
give you wisdom, but I'm going to talk about how a man seeks
2:08:39
wisdom. And also wants to follow as
2:08:42
God's will is, but some people are not able to do that.
2:08:46
They're not able to put away their material things.
2:08:49
This is what's been being told to you now.
2:08:51
Yeah. Glenda.
2:08:54
Yeah, I'm not good with names. I saw I didn't remember that.
2:08:57
It, that was Solomon. You talking.
2:08:58
There's nowhere in the Bible where it says, if you make over
2:09:02
this certain amount of income. Sorry.
2:09:04
Bye bye. It was fun.
2:09:10
I gotta head out. I think it's good seeing you.
2:09:30
Trying to assert that, the Bible says that you are trying to
2:09:34
assert or implied, that only rich people going could get to
2:09:38
heaven or something like that. And that wasn't the point of us,
2:09:41
bringing up, Matthew, 19. We're talking about idolatry as
2:09:45
T2, are brought up before? I didn't know, rich people are
2:09:48
more capable of putting their possessions before a
2:09:52
relationship with God, that's why you ask him.
2:09:56
That's why in the beginning of that whole encounter.
2:09:58
What is Jesus? Do he asked him?
2:10:00
Why do you call me, good? There's only one.
2:10:03
That's good and that's God. That's not a question that Jesus
2:10:06
is asking because he doesn't possess a mission ability.
2:10:09
He's asking him a rhetorical question because the whole
2:10:13
conversation is about the contrast between the perfect
2:10:18
Holiness of God versus the utter depravity of man the in Nobility
2:10:24
for him to receive God's grace, through his Works, through his
2:10:30
possessions, through his reputation.
2:10:32
So that's why he tells the Rich Young Ruler, go ahead and sell
2:10:36
all of your possessions to the poor and we see how the rich man
2:10:40
took. Daddy says, I'm gonna go over
2:10:43
here, I'm my by he went away. Sad is what he went away.
2:10:46
If you anyways Yeah yeah, so my poem was never about you that I
2:10:57
would just going off the language when he says a rich
2:10:59
man. My only point was.
2:11:01
That means every rich, man. And it turns over the Bible says
2:11:04
someone who is rich people, right?
2:11:08
Let me tell them to slap you because you're repeating itself.
2:11:32
Indicate that it is hard for rich men and it is speaking
2:11:36
generally to enter the kingdom of God.
2:11:39
And the reason why that is is because their own possessions
2:11:42
becomes their Idol. When you get a lot of stuff,
2:11:45
your natural tendency is not to lose it and so that can drive
2:11:49
you to do things that you really really shouldn't be doing.
2:11:53
And it will definitely come before your relationship with
2:11:56
God. If you let it, I want I want to
2:11:58
apologize. I made a mistake.
2:12:00
I think tto. Are you reminding me of my
2:12:03
mistake of me regarding wild? Our Walmart, didn't say that
2:12:07
only rich people could go to heaven.
2:12:08
He was saying that he was indicating that only rich people
2:12:11
could not go to heaven, right? You stop with the faulty
2:12:14
interpretation of Matthew, 19. And what we were saying, is no,
2:12:17
that's not the case. You don't, you know, because God
2:12:20
makes people rich. I could be wrong about the man,
2:12:52
the rich man. Who had increased things and he
2:12:56
had so much increase that he didn't have a place to put the
2:12:58
rest of his his belongings. So then he says, 12 2014, I
2:13:07
always say this, it's 1212 Yen earlier on Regatta.
2:13:12
Yeah it's one of my favorite Parables.
2:13:15
I love that parable. Grab the stream, here it is.
2:13:22
Yeah, man. Yep.
2:13:24
Someone in the crowd said to him teacher tell my brother to
2:13:28
divide the inheritance with me Jesus replied man who appointed
2:13:32
me a judge or Urban or an Arbiter between you, then he
2:13:35
said to them watch out be on your guard against all kinds of
2:13:38
greed. Life does not consist in an
2:13:41
abundance of possessions then he and he told them this Parable
2:13:45
the ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant Harvest he
2:13:49
thought to himself. What shall I do?
2:13:51
I have no place to store my crops then he said This is what
2:13:55
I'll do. I'll tear down my Barns and
2:13:57
build bigger ones and there, I will store my Surplus grain.
2:14:00
And I'll say to myself, you have plenty of grain laid up for many
2:14:04
years, take life easy, eat drink, and be merry.
2:14:07
But God said to him, you fool this very night.
2:14:11
Your life will be demanded from you, then who will get what you
2:14:14
have prepared for yourself. This is how it will be with
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whoever stores that things for themselves, but is not rich
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towards God. We so that Parable is definitely
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geared towards the point of if you have wrong relationship with
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God, your possessions mean, nothing, and you'll eventually
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lose them. Yeah, either through some,
2:14:35
freakish accident, or event, or just through the course of
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nature. When you die, could you imagine
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if the Wicked, the rich Wicked? People were able to see what
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happens to their money after they die?
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Like, I don't know. What has got to be like what?
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Hell is like, except for what scripture reveals, but I can't
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help, but to wonder if that will be one of the aspects of God
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showing them what people after their death, doing with their
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possessions and the people in their graves are rolling over.
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Like, no, I didn't want the money spent on that.
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They just used my money to build another church.
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No, you know, kind of like that story of V here.
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I think you guys could correct me if I'm wrong, but at The
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Story Goes, Goes that he was a hardcore god-hating atheist and
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he was set fully on destroying Bibles and stuff.
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And then he made it a proclamation that I think
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hundreds of years after his death, Christianity would cease
2:15:38
to exist. But then after he died, the
2:15:41
building that he used to burn Bibles had, there was some sort
2:15:47
of accident where I think it caught on fire and then years
2:15:50
later, it was rebuilt. But that building was then used
2:15:54
specifically to print Bibles. So, I hated life because the
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work that is done under the sun was Grevious to me.
2:16:23
All of it is meaningless a chasing after the wind.
2:16:26
I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun because
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I must leave them to the one who comes after me and who knows,
2:16:32
whether that person will be wise or foolish.
2:16:34
Yet they will have control over all the fruit of my toilet with
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which I have poured, my effort and skill Under the Sun.
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This too is meaningless. So my heart began to despair
2:16:45
over all my toilsome labor Under the Sun for a person may labor
2:16:49
of wisdom, knowledge and skill. And And they must leave.
2:16:52
All they own to another who has not toiled for it.
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This too is meaningless and a great Misfortune.
2:16:59
What do people get for all the toil and anxious striving with
2:17:02
which they labor Under the Sun? All their days?
2:17:05
Their work is grief and pain even at night, their minds, do
2:17:08
not rest. This too is meaningless.
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Hmm, that is what a rich person may be thinking when they start
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to think about what's going to happen to all my stuff.
2:17:21
When I die there will not be a Bible in the earth except one
2:17:35
that is looked upon by an antiquarian curiosity, Seeker.
2:17:40
I wonder what this thing is. And then he's been in 1717 and,
2:17:46
and then two years later, he says, it took 12 men to start
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Christianity. One will destroy it and that he
2:17:56
died. He died that year. 100 years
2:17:59
later Voltaire was dead on his own press, and his own press and
2:18:04
house, where being used to practice and Stork Bibles by the
2:18:07
Geneva Bible says, that's one of History's.
2:18:16
Again you know in the Book of Esther is probably the only book
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that where God is not mentioned directly, but you do see is you
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do see him work in in the story though.
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And this is another example of God, having a sense of humor
2:18:30
there, you know what he did with Haman?
2:18:35
Heyman had this. He was a, he was a Jew hating
2:18:38
individual. He had built the Gallows for
2:18:43
Mordecai who was a Jew, but then things turned around somehow
2:18:49
where he ended up himself on being hung on those things that
2:18:52
he designed for for Mordecai. That's, it was kind of a funny
2:18:58
thing in The Morbid fashion. But King Xerxes understood
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irony. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's little bit. Humans are only seconds.
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It's got to be busy. Yeah, another example of God,
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having a sense of humor is the fact that atheists exist so, you
2:19:13
know, yeah, I also love it. Well, we are about two hours and
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19 minutes and and I think this is a good point to bring the
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