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  Speaker 1: Jo podcast Check it out.
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  Speaker 2: But Joe Logan Experience Train by Day.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan Podcast by Nay all Day, then SEEKIMNT. So
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  Speaker 1: last time you were on, we barely scratched the surface
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  Speaker 1: of all the things that we wanted to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: So immediately we're like, we got to do another one quick,
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  Speaker 1: because you want to talk about the Sphinx.
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  Speaker 2: The Sphinx. Yes, yeah, we were on. We got into
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  Speaker 2: the world. The labyrinth was kind of the big.
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  Speaker 3: Labynth is nuts. I still haven't been able to get
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  Speaker 3: over it. The forty metallic shaped tactics tack shape thing
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  Speaker 3: that's in the ground, Like, what is that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I hope we'll find out. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know it's it's the wheels do turn a little slowly.
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  Speaker 2: But the point of that was to try and drive
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  Speaker 2: some awareness. Maybe we'll get some sort of angel investor
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  Speaker 2: in there to go and look at it and solve
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  Speaker 2: the problem. Do something.
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  Speaker 3: Someone needs to talk to Elon. Yeah, I'm not the guy.
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  Speaker 1: I talked to him as much as it is, he's
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  Speaker 1: too busy, but someone who is, Yeah, he's someone or
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  Speaker 1: maybe Bezos would like to be the first guy to
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  Speaker 1: get in there. Someone has to get in there. You
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  Speaker 1: have to figure out what that thing is that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: This might be one of the biggest mysteries in the
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  Speaker 1: entire human civilization record.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the company? Who's the director that went to
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  Speaker 2: the bottom of the Oh camera Cameron. I mean, he
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  Speaker 2: likes going places that nobody's gone before. They till home
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  Speaker 2: and get them. Maybe maybe someone should do it. They
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  Speaker 2: just I don't think enough people know a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people know that we're listening to this podcast, but not
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  Speaker 2: enough people that would do something, that can do something,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like we reach a
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  Speaker 2: lot of knuckleheads.
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  Speaker 1: With a wide variety of people, but the percentage of
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  Speaker 1: people that have the resources to you have to take
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  Speaker 1: something happen. They have to work something out with the
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  Speaker 1: Egyptian government, right, so they have to do something with
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  Speaker 1: those dams.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well, and you don't have to No, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it takes the dams. You would have to remediate
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  Speaker 2: the water on the site at least, like somehow box
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  Speaker 2: it out right. You got to drain. You'd have to
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  Speaker 2: drain this massive area, or at least if you would
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  Speaker 2: target it enough, you might be able to drain a
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  Speaker 2: smaller area to then excavate in that area, which.
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  Speaker 1: Probably explain to people that didn't listen to the last
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  Speaker 1: part cast just a real quick synarpsis.
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  Speaker 2: So the labyrinth, it's we're talking about the great lost
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  Speaker 2: labyrinth of ancient Egypt, which was described by figures like Herodotus, Diodorus, Siculus,
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  Speaker 2: plenty of the elder figures from antiquity, these authors, and
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  Speaker 2: they've described it as being greater in magnificence than the pyramids,
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  Speaker 2: like they had these just mind bending descriptions of what
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  Speaker 2: this site was like, multiple levels, three thousand rooms, you
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  Speaker 2: would get lost in it. It had giant courtyards with
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  Speaker 2: pillars all made from I mean, one guy, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was. Strabo described the roof as being a single
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  Speaker 2: piece of stone, which I don't think it was, but
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  Speaker 2: it's describing as perfect joins that you see in the
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  Speaker 2: real megalithic work from Egypt. So it's this giant mystery.
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  Speaker 2: We know it's there and it was kind of lost
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  Speaker 2: to time until we found it again. Basically, it was discovered.
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  Speaker 2: It was always known about because there were clues about
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  Speaker 2: its location. It was always theorized to have been at
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  Speaker 2: this place called Huara, which is near the fyoume in Egypt,
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  Speaker 2: and you know Petrie went there and dug it up
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  Speaker 2: Flinders Petri in the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds,
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  Speaker 2: and he found massive stone slabs and he thought he
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  Speaker 2: was standing on its foundation like it's been quarried and
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  Speaker 2: taken away. And rather than that that he was, it
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  Speaker 2: turns out he was most likely standing on the roof
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  Speaker 2: of like the top layers, like ten meters below the ground.
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  Speaker 2: So he never got nuts quite in. But then in
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  Speaker 2: the Mattahar expedition happened, I think in the mid like
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  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen or twenty fifteen, there was an expedition run
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  Speaker 2: by a game a guy named Lewis Decordia in partnership
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  Speaker 2: with the with the Egyptian government. They used ground penetrating
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  Speaker 2: radar sonic techniques like well established subsurface techniques, and they
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  Speaker 2: found it. They found these massive cyclopean walls that were
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  Speaker 2: meters thick. It was a labyrinthian structure. It's well verified
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  Speaker 2: as below the water table level of what's on that
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  Speaker 2: site now, so you have water table sort of five
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  Speaker 2: meters below the surface. The labyrinth starts at nine to
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  Speaker 2: ten meters and that was there's some controverse, some controversy
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  Speaker 2: around that report because it was buried, like so he
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  Speaker 2: found it. They never published the report. It was squashed
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  Speaker 2: by Huas. This is according to Luis de Cordier. He
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  Speaker 2: threatened him and his team with national security sanctions if
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  Speaker 2: they talked about it. It just was put away. He
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  Speaker 2: waited a few years, he finally released the report. Its like, holy,
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  Speaker 2: holy shit, we found the labyrinth. And then this then
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  Speaker 2: spurred some other companies to use some of these new
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  Speaker 2: space based scanning techniques. There's been at least two that
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  Speaker 2: have been done, very different techniques, but they found the
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  Speaker 2: same thing. They found that there is in fact a
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  Speaker 2: massive underground structure at this place called Hauara. It goes
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  Speaker 2: much deeper than what you could reach with those ground
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  Speaker 2: penetrating radar and those established techniques. Sixty seventy meters below
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  Speaker 2: the ground. There's multiple levels, three or four levels, and
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  Speaker 2: they correlate. They so one scans a statistical model. Another
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  Speaker 2: one is a that uses high frequency photography along with
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  Speaker 2: I think seismic data, very similar to the Doppler tomography
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  Speaker 2: work that's being done by the Italians at places like
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  Speaker 2: the Geezer Plateau now and they both correlate. Yes, there's
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  Speaker 2: a big structure. But one of the most interesting facts
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  Speaker 2: that came out of this scan was it seems like
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  Speaker 2: in this massive central atrium that's that's this one big
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  Speaker 2: giant open rooms forty fifty meters long that connects to
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  Speaker 2: all of these levels, there seems to be this unidentified
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  Speaker 2: metallic object that's freestanding in this room. It's about forty
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  Speaker 2: meters long, and it seems to be tic tac shaped,
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  Speaker 2: is what is what this report said.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a fucking UFO UFO in each incident.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, could you tantalize it? Could you imagine?
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if they get in there and they
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  Speaker 1: really do find a recovered spacecraft that what what do.
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  Speaker 3: We do then?
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  Speaker 1: Because if this is a public excavator, that's the question.
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  Speaker 3: We'd have to bring in the seals. Do we need
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  Speaker 3: to like lock that place down?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we need to occupy Egypt just to figure out
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  Speaker 1: how to fucking get this done.
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  Speaker 2: By Hawara, Let's let's let's just just you'd have to.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about the whole country.
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  Speaker 1: You have to bribe them something, give them money, whatever
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  Speaker 1: you got to do, Like if I was a president,
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  Speaker 1: that would be like my number one priority.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yeah, it's it's it has the potent.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's been a little bit more of this
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  Speaker 2: from Egypt, the I guess the establishment there they seem
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  Speaker 2: a little more willing to engage in some of the mystery.
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  Speaker 2: I genuinely do think that that's that discoveries like these
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  Speaker 2: can only help and boost tours, like it's going to
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  Speaker 2: all they want is to bring people in.
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  Speaker 3: It will bring way more.
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  Speaker 1: Could you imagine if they actually figure out a way
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  Speaker 1: to drain all the water out of the labyrinth. They
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  Speaker 1: give you a tour and show you the spaceship. How
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  Speaker 1: much you're paying to see the spaceship? Bro, I'm paying
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  Speaker 1: a ton of money to go see that spaceship.
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  Speaker 2: That's a special permission. Like that's the way we do.
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  Speaker 2: They they're very good at that. Like there's there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of places you can now go in Egypt that
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  Speaker 2: are these special permissions. It's thousands of dollars.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, we show much money they could charge,
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  Speaker 3: mean ten grand, they could charge like a lot of
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  Speaker 3: money just to go look at the spaceship.
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  Speaker 2: Might yeah, might be.
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  Speaker 3: Like Mecca, Like Mecca for UFO dorks.
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  Speaker 2: It would be insane to see. It depends on who
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  Speaker 2: knows what.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: The guy did say too, it didn't seem like any
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  Speaker 2: metal that he'd seen before, Like they couldn't identify what
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  Speaker 2: type of metal it was. So it's right, it's element
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  Speaker 2: one for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Alien it's made the same stuff that Comet's made out of.
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  Speaker 3: The AI atlas.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, three, the three I atlas, the whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that's gassing some nickel, nickel alloy or something.
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  Speaker 3: It's a giant nickel the size of Manhattan.
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  Speaker 2: It's yes, that's that's jetting towards the sun. Oh, they didn't,
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  Speaker 2: didn't NaSTA came in. They think they released their images.
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  Speaker 2: I think recently there's some there's some images that came
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  Speaker 2: out and said the comments doing this and doing that, doing.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of weird stuff. But it definitely seems to
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  Speaker 3: be a comment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you ask Aviy Lobe and he's like anything,
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  Speaker 1: it's gotta.
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  Speaker 2: Be he does. We don't know what one would look like.
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  Speaker 2: We've not seen. Yeah, I mean it's a small sample
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  Speaker 2: size as it is for interstellar objects. Right, we have
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  Speaker 2: three to compare, but two of them have been really
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  Speaker 2: fucking weird.
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  Speaker 1: So I think the point we're getting at is, and
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  Speaker 1: this is the point of all these conversations, is that
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  Speaker 1: there's some stuff that is yet to be discovered, that
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  Speaker 1: has previously been discovered, that might be like it might
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  Speaker 1: blow the damn down on all this stuff to the
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  Speaker 1: point where like, Okay, whatever you think happened here, a
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  Speaker 1: lot more happened. And it seems way crazier. If the
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  Speaker 1: stuff underneath the Giza plateau is correct, and if the
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  Speaker 1: stuff which is like what and if if the Labyrinith,
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  Speaker 1: if they can show you that this not only was
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  Speaker 1: Herodotus depicting an actual place, but we can show it
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  Speaker 1: to you and it's preserved and it's been under the
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  Speaker 1: water for fifty years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it it would be amazing. And yes, I think
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  Speaker 2: some of these things would knock down everything that it's
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  Speaker 2: it's a house of cuts, right, it's there. I think
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  Speaker 2: there are there are elements of that that are in
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  Speaker 2: that that are obvious, I mean not obvious, but there
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  Speaker 2: people can explore them, and it starts to knock down
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  Speaker 2: the house of cuts. It's how people end up with
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  Speaker 2: this just looking at the contradictions in ancient Egypt. But
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  Speaker 2: there there are other examples of what I would say,
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  Speaker 2: like these things like the matter how expedition that have
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  Speaker 2: been discovered but then sort of covered up and kept secret, right,
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of them have to do with you
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  Speaker 2: have the same tie in with these ancient stories and
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  Speaker 2: and and accounts from history, not just from the Roman
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  Speaker 2: and Greek historicians, but also the Arab histories like al
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  Speaker 2: Masouti for example, the Herodotus of the Arabs they called him,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he he talked about tales of these tunnels
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  Speaker 2: and chambers beneath the Sphinx that there were there were
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  Speaker 2: rooms beneath the Sphinx that then led out to like
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  Speaker 2: three different tunnels. You have a number of other Arab
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  Speaker 2: historians from as far back as like six hundred AD
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  Speaker 2: that that have stories of getting into the pyramids and
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  Speaker 2: then getting lost in tunnels and chambers beneath them. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean there's there's a lot of these crazy you
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  Speaker 2: hear these stories of like the Hall of Records, right,
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  Speaker 2: the people like Edgar Casey, that the American psychic in
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  Speaker 2: the nineteen forties, who you know he would if you
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  Speaker 2: heard of education, Yeah, he's so he would fall into
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  Speaker 2: these trance like states, and he'd have these visions. He's
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  Speaker 2: called like the Sleeping prophet, they would call him, or
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  Speaker 2: he's like one of the Americans psychic. And he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: just about things about around Egypt.
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  Speaker 3: He did.
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  Speaker 2: He did prophesize and talk about locations for three halls
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  Speaker 2: of records, which were these Atlantean cases of information, like
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  Speaker 2: a pre Ailuvian civilization. He did call it Atlantis. But
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  Speaker 2: he would also have these predictions about the stock market,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people made a lot of money
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  Speaker 2: based on his predictions, and that led to the.
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  Speaker 3: Really good an't it? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so apparently he went I mean whether it
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  Speaker 2: was like I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's always the question when it comes to says,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a real psychic, why wouldn't you make all
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  Speaker 1: the money in the world from the stock market.
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  Speaker 2: It did happen. There was a lot of people made
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money, and he did evidently too as well,
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  Speaker 2: and so that led to the formation of somebody called
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  Speaker 2: the YEGGA. Casey Foundation of the are the Association for
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  Speaker 2: Research and Enlightenment is the name of them. They're still
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  Speaker 2: going strong today and they've they've been looking to try
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  Speaker 2: and find his halls of records, and they've been trying
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  Speaker 2: to verify the Casey's predictions. One in particular that they've
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  Speaker 2: been chasing down is the famous Hall of Records, which
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  Speaker 2: is which he said was beneath the paws of the Sphinx.
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  Speaker 2: So not you know, the stories of this hall of
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  Speaker 2: records and these rooms beneath the Sphinx go back thousands
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  Speaker 2: of years, like I mean, just not just the Aras,
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  Speaker 2: but also Herotus and these other guys also talked about
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  Speaker 2: that whole area, the Sphinx and everything else being vastly
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  Speaker 2: more ancient even than the Pyramids. But there was some
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  Speaker 2: work done that then that happened in recent times, like
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  Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineties. Well, it's been there's been a
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  Speaker 2: search going on since the early seventies that the are
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  Speaker 2: has been involved in. And a lot of this is
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  Speaker 2: quite secretive, none of that, a lot of this has
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  Speaker 2: never really come to light, but there's some until very recently,
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  Speaker 2: in fact, there's been some footage that came up that
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  Speaker 2: showed that there are in fact tunnels beneath the Sphinx
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  Speaker 2: that may well have been explored. We're not quite sure.
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  Speaker 2: It's an interesting story, so it does involve Mark Laner
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  Speaker 2: and Zahi Juas, who are the authoritative figures involved in Egypt.
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  Speaker 3: Are they bottlenecking this as well? Well? Do I have
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  Speaker 3: to go give them the hug?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the guys join us allegedly we'll blow you up,
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  Speaker 1: will make you like so much more popular.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it will help, it will get be more tourism.
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  Speaker 2: That's and that's I think the current guys that have
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  Speaker 2: been running the Department Antiquities that are embracing a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of that idea. But I do think there's been
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of guate keeping that's happened.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a generational thing. I agree, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And I think when you are an academic or you
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  Speaker 1: are a person that's in a position of power Lexah
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  Speaker 1: he is, and you've been running things for so long
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  Speaker 1: and this new thing comes along, it's very threatening.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: And when there's a lot of movement and momentum behind it,
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  Speaker 1: it's very threatening. But that thing will just embrace you
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  Speaker 1: if you say, oh my goodness, look what we've learned.
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  Speaker 1: We've learned more new, amazing things about wait for it, Egyptians.
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  Speaker 3: But it's the same people, it's just older. It is
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  Speaker 3: older versions like this is why it's so dumb. It's
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  Speaker 3: like you're just you are only allowing part of the
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  Speaker 3: narrative to go through about how magnificent this culture. So
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  Speaker 3: it's already the most magnificent culture in human civilization and
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  Speaker 3: in terms of history when we look at it, nothing's
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  Speaker 3: anything like Egypt. It's crazy, no, and it would imagine
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  Speaker 3: it's bigger and crazier.
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  Speaker 2: Richer, it would, it would, It's just richer in a
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  Speaker 2: longer history. In this place, it's still like it is.
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  Speaker 3: It is the most magical place in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is unfortunate. I was just talking about this, uh,
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  Speaker 2: just yesterday. In fact, the the nature of establishment being
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  Speaker 2: to resist change, right, it's it's just unfortunate. Control control
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  Speaker 2: and to resist change, and it's.
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  Speaker 3: Maintained control, not lose control. That was the fear.
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  Speaker 1: The fear is if I am a self professed expert
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  Speaker 1: with an institution behind me, with a nice name, and
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  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, some fucking asshole an Australian
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  Speaker 1: accent comes along with a tech guy who becomes a
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  Speaker 1: YouTuber because he watched some assholes podcast when he was younger.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, pretty much this is true.
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  Speaker 1: But it's you and Graham and Jimmy Corsetti and all
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  Speaker 1: these other amazing people, and you guys are you're you're
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  Speaker 1: showing the world that there's another side to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these stories. And it's a legitimate side. It's not
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  Speaker 1: just a legitimate it's an unfathomable side. When you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at you're looking at some of the stuff like bile back,
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at those those stones. There's there's unfathomable things
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  Speaker 1: that no one is No one is saying they're unfathomable.
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  Speaker 3: No one's saying we don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone is saying, don't worry about it, we got it
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  Speaker 1: all figured out. Like that's crazy. That's I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I think embracing them and I think I've made this
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  Speaker 2: point before, but it's this is it's the nature of
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  Speaker 2: the discourse that's changed that has forced i think a
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  Speaker 2: stronger reaction from the establishment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the the general things differently.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the general public's involved in the discussion. Now, if
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  Speaker 2: you go back more than sixty seventy years, I mean
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  Speaker 2: general public didn't have access to this information. They were
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  Speaker 2: I mean, these discussions only happened in societies and in
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  Speaker 2: universities but with the rise of firstly alternative authors and
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  Speaker 2: then the Internet, now everybody's got a chance to have
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  Speaker 2: a platform and a and a set of ears to
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  Speaker 2: hear this information and it becomes more popular. Guys like
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  Speaker 2: you have had a huge impact on the popularity of
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  Speaker 2: these topics, and that's I think when it's threatening.
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  Speaker 3: Always been popular. The problem is they haven't been legitimized.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Like these ideas have always been popular, it's just nobody
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: gets It's like there's a food that you want that.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: No one's serving, you know what I mean. That's what
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: it's like.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: It's not like it wasn't popular, Like I'm not unique
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: in my interest in ancient Egypt or in ancient civilizations.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Just everybody look at when they ask men like what
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: do you think about ancient room? All the time, it's
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: it's just a normal part of being a person that
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: lives in a current civilization, wondering what it was like
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: in the past. And then when you see something like Egypt,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: you're like, none of this makes sense.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: No, there's massive contradictions, and I think I'm so old,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Well it does, and I think, what's what's made this Well,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: let's call it alternative perspective. Much more possible, even plausible,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: is is all of the adjacent fields of science and work,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: that is, that is basically providing ap plausible context for
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: these ideas that there was an ancient lost civilization that
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: is responsible for the roots of some of the things
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: we see in these civilizations, responsible for some of the
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: technological enigmas that we find on these sites, and that
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: you know, this is all stuff that's happened in recent
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: years in adjacent fields of science, things like the extension
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: of the human timeline, the evidence for severe erosion on
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: these sites, our understanding of climate history and.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Extension cataclysm timeline is huge. That's huge because you know,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: we were just Jesse Michaels and I were just having
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: a conversation about this. I was like, imagine if you
• 16:35
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• 16:41
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• 16:43
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• 16:46
  Speaker 1: working on material sciences and you're doing like three D printing,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: you get to live a thousand years and you're a
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: researcher and you still show up at work every day
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: for a thousand years or ten thousand years. That sounds nuts,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't because if you can extend life, you
• 17:00
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• 17:04
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• 17:06
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• 17:08
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• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, this seems to be some evidence that they
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: that they might have because I'm a Sumerian kings list,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: well this is this is a big part of it. Yeah,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I mean not just them, but almost every civilization that
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: talks about even the Bible, he talks about prediluvional pre
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: flood civilizations often talks about people living for hundreds of years,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: if not longer than that, thousands of years. You have
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: an Egyptian's kings list that does the same thing. But
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: even in the Bible, you know, no, it was hundred
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: six hundred, right, so you have yeah, I think something
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: like that. You have many examples of these what they
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: would describe as pre cataclysm or pre flood civilizations where
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: people live for a long time. But you just I
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: mean not just there's an extension of individual human timeline,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: but we also know that there's an extension of the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: human like how long humans have been here, right, Because
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: that's going back further and further all the time we
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: have we have skulls and fossil record evidence now where
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: it's just slightly more than three hundred thousand years. Genetic
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: and studies into teeth morphology make the possibility open to
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: whatever seven eight hundred thousand years as a skull found. Yeah,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I mean it's I think that was more. I think
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: that's more of a Homo sapien clayed skull. So it's
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: like it may not be Homo sapien exactly us, it
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: might be a variety. But that's a whole other aspect
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: on this too, is that where the last humans left, right,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: there were other types of humans that we know live
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: for in some cases a couple of million years, that
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: had similar like even bigger brain sizes than we did.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: We don't we don't really know what their capabilities were.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: We only can work with ourselves. And then you combine
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: that lengthening of time of like okay, you have an
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: intelligent social species that has the ability to build on
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: knowledge of your you know, your ancestors. So you know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: one guy spends his life making the spear, the next
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: guy spends his life perfecting how to throw it. It's
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: just we have this unique ability to stand on this
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: knowledge that's passed down from our direct ancestors and therefore
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: build up our capability, and it inevitably leads towards civilization.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: And if you stress that way back in time and
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: now you look at things like the climate history and
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the history of cataclysm on this planet, this possibility that
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: that that this may these civilizations may have arisen and
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: then been completely destroyed at some point over the last
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: several hundred thousand years. You can't you can't just dismiss
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: that that there's a strong possibility that that it's It's
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: just it's possible, and in fact, there seems to be
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of other contextual evidence to support it in
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: origin tales, in stories, in the echoes of sacred geometry
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and advanced mathematics and knowledge of the cosmos, and also
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: you know, planetary dimensions and geodetic data, all this stuff
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: that's encoded into these monuments and into these stories and
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: tales that we can't explain how these so called primitive
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: civilizations like the Egyptians or the Samerians knew this information.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Yet it's there and it's encoded in their monuments and
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: in their data. But we can't explain even the Greeks,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: you can't explain the precision of some of the aspects
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: of things like the Pyramids. But yeah, I mean you
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: just and again with the cataclysms that we know have happened,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the Younger Drive is just being the most recent. But
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: if you go back several hundred thousand years, you have
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: these massive you know, interglacial periods and glacial maximum periods,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: right that these cycles that we go through where you
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: have this big glaciation build up and then you have
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: just you know, these prob what must have been catastrophic
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: floods and then interglacial periods. In fact, there was a
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: period called the Eolian period. It was about one hundred
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: and twenty thousand years ago that was very much like
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the Holocene that we're in today. In fact, it lasted
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: longer than the Holocene has currently lasted. We've been in
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: the Holocene maybe ten thousand years, ten to eleven thousand years.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I think the Eolian period was more than fifteen to
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: twenty thousand years where it was stable weather. Sea levels
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: were like three four meters higher than where they are today.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't like this, It wasn't like the place.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like the height of you know, a glacial
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: maximum where it's a difficult place to live. It was
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: a calm period. I mean, the only reason our civilization
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: is here today is because of the nice weather of
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the Holocene. Right, we have warm weather. We haven't had
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: like massive catastrophes that have been like you know, extinction
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: level events kind of thing to get in our way
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and knock us back to the stone. There was a
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: similar period like that that lasted longer than we've been
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: in this nice period, about one hundred and twenty thousand
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: years ago. And if you consider after that the cycles
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: of glaciation and flooding them, particularly the younger dry so
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: they'd been just almost nothing left this the stone in
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: places that survived what happened after it? So I do
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: like my range of possibilities for Okay, when did these
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: artifacts originate? Like when did some of this architecture originally
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: be built? It's not to me just fifteen thousand years ago.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: It could be one hundred and two hundred thousand years
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: or even more. And again, more contextual evidence to support
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: that is things like the erosion that we can see
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: on some of these sites. One of my favorite topics
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: in the last couple of years has been looking at
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the erosion on the Giza Plateau.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to bring that up.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: And of some of the big monuments in particular, like
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: the whole Middle Pyramid complex on the Giza Plateau.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Let's show some of the images that you used in
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: some of your videos, because it's pretty it's pretty fast,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and when you look at it, it's kind of undeniable.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: And what's fun about this is too, is that we
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: don't have to guess, right, we know how long it takes.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: We studies have been done about like limestone erosion. Turns
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: out there's almost an endless number of conveniently dated limestone
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: slabs all around the world. The tombstones in cemeteries, right,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: so you can get dated, they get cut, they get
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: inscribed with the date when it was put up, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: then so you can measure it and you can come
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: back over whatever decades and measure erosion, and so how
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: long does it take for this face of this limestone
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: erosion to recede?
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: This is the nutty stuff.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and because we're assuming that unless something happened to
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the outside of that, that this was at one point
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: in time, flat and smooth.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent, because there are still blocks that are protected,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: so a lot of this has been rebuilt. This is
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: tricky to see. So see you can actually see that
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: the less eroded sections are actually modern restorations because this
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: is so eroded that it's falling apart, right, And this
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: isn't even the ex exteria of this structure. This is
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: the interior call masonry. All of this was also for
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: god knows how many thousands of years encased in granite.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: It also points to a trend, points to a pattern
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: that we when human beings find ancient things, they do renovations,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: try to keep them up. Yeah, which is one of
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the things that's been you know, yeah, over and over
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and over again.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: We've talked about that.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many structures that seem like there's multiple
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: timelines working on the same exact grounds.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: It is one hundred percent of human tendency to renovate
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and restore all of these, to reuse these sites.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: And it's in a gross way, like what they do
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: with the Sphinx, like the pause.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: That's gross, it is, but it's it's we're renovating it
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and restoring it to use it as a tourist attraction,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: like the Romans renovated and restore it to use as
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a ceremonial center.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: But it's a very shitty version the original. Yeah, I agree,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of assumptions. You're assuming you knew
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the form of it, you're making your own form over
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the feet.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I have a problem, Yes, that was one of my
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: problems with a They were talking about restoring the middle Pyramid,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: like the third Pyramid, like the Menkara Pyramid, the small one, small,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: it's monstrous, but it has these granite casing stones, right,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and the last of the top four or five courses
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: are still there, but it was at least fifteen sixteen
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: courses of granite, and there's just all this granite, the
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: massive granite blocks and rubble. And Mustafa Waziri, who was
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: at the time the head of the Department of Antiquities,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: was talking about we're going to rebuild it. We're going
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to put it back together. And I know this, and I'm.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Like, please know, because what in an househole?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Well, he did something cool, which was he excavated in
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: front of it. He did show that the courses keep
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: going down. But then he's like, we're going to restore it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, they would use conquered it. It would
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: be a fasimile.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Of what it was. He's still around.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: No, he actually because he said that. There was a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: lot of international outcry for that very reason, and then
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: in fact, the government formed a tribunal to figure out
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: what to do. The tribunal was headed by Dahuas and
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: he lost his job. So yeah, he's not in that yet.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's crazy. I only wants to see the
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: restored pyramids. I'm what's left.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, well we can use our imaginations too. They are
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: restoring a lot of things. I don't necessarily agree with
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: this either, things that are actively falling apart. Sure, you
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: need to buttress them, like a lot of this wall.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: So this is part of the Middle Pyramid complex at Giza,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of blocks like this. There are
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: limestone blocks that are eleven twelve meters long, like four
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: meters wide, you know, two three hundred tons that were
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: stacked up on top of each other, and they eroded
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: so greatly on the inside that they've actually fallen over
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: at some point in Antiqua, they've fallen off, and so
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: they are trying to buttress and support things that are
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: going to fall. I'm all for that, but I mean
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: there's a lot that just the amount of erosion that
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: it takes for that to happen to blocks like this
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: of this pnew melidic limestone, which is a very hard
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: form of limestone, full of fossils, and it's you're talking
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: like two three feet in some places of erosion of limestone.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: And if you look at the studies that have been
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: done into like limestone erosion rates, and there's been several
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: they've studied them in coastal wave action environments where it's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: like getting battered by ways. They put in rivers, you know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: they put limestone cubes on the top of one of
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the governmental buildings in DC and left it there and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: studied it over decades and like, okay, tiny amounts, but
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: in a normal weathering environment, right, this is assuming a
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: lot more rainfall than what happens in Egypt, which gets
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: very little rainfall by the way, but the place like Washington,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: DC or somewhere where you get like forty inches of
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: rainy years something like that, it would take of just
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: normal weathering erosion to do two feet of two feet
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: of erosion like this more than one hundred thousand years.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: So and that's I think you can extend that because
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: if well, the thing is maybe there was more rainfall
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: here at some point. We know there was after since
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: about four thousand BC, the African humid period was in place.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: That's another big I think tell for what happened, particularly
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: on the Giza Plateau and the sites in Egypt in that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: You know, one of the things always mystified me about
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the Sphinx is like it's spent so much time buried
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: in sand up to his chest over the last several
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: thousand years, more time than it hasn't been. We have
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to work pretty hard to keep the sand out of
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: it now. In fact, there are multiple attempts to dig
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: it out of the sand in the eighteen hundreds that failed,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and then they just literally two or three years later
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: it's it's sort of buried up to his chest again.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Seems like a design floor, Like, why would you build
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: this thing in a low spot in a windy desert
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: where it's going to fill with sand. It's just I don't.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Think it attributed to again Cafra, and then it wasn't
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: there an inscription that were Carfra said that if he
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: could uncover the Sphinx, he would be the pharaoh.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: This is right, it's actually Thoughtmosis the fourth that's called
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: the there's a stelle in front of the in the
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: chest in there in the Sphinx four. About a thousand
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: years later.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: He thought he was the one that was saying so we.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Knew it was buried in sand during the dynastic Agit
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: what I was.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Going to get to. Yes, So that's so that during
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: that time no erosion.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Well this is a whole yes, So there's a whole other. Right,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: So this is another big issue with the wind and
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: sand erosion when you talk specifically about the sphinx enclosure.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is one of the big
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: controversial I.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Mean, where's the pandemics.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: The face isn't eroded exactly, and if it's wind and sand,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that's the only thing that's exposed, and that's not as eroded.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: It's been one of my major points for a long time.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: It is, to be fair, it is the yarding that
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the sedimentary layers of limestone. It is a slightly harder
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: form of limestone, but still you're talking thousands and thousands
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: of years where that the only thing above the sand
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: level was basically the face and it's and they explain
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: all of this deep erosion on the body of the
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: sphinx and the sphinx enclosure to wind and sand. I know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: obviously Robert shock is a different interpretation, but yes, you
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: would see erosion on that, you just don't. I think
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: that the most plausible explanation for that sphinx is that, yes,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the face was recarved in the dynastic period. Probably it
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: could have been by Kuffer. We actually may well have
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: been before that as well, because there's other evidence that
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: suggests that the sphinx was already buried in sand at
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: his time. The attribution to Kufra comes from two main sources.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: One is its position. So where the sphinx is, you
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: have the middle pyramid, you have the causeway that runs
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: down and you have the middle pyramid. You have the
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: pyramid temple, the complex where we were seeing that erosion.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: You have this massive causeway that runs down to then
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: the Valley Temple, which is this very famous massive megalithic structure,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: and right next to the Valley Temple is the Sphinx
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and in front of that is the Sphinx Temple. So
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: they sort of attribute it and make it well, it's
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: part of the Middle Pyramid complex. The other attribution comes
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: from what's been written on that dream stellae between the
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: in the legs of the Sphinx at its chest. It
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: does say Kuffer on there, but there's a lot of
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: it's a controversial statement to say that that means Cuffer
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: built it. There were several Egyptologists who had different and
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: this is back in the you know, early nineteen hundreds.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: They had different interpretations for what that said. What they
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: believe it said was Cuffra was trying to do what
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: his ancestors had done, well, had done before, or that
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Tutmosis was trying to do what his ancestors had done before.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: And Cuffer is mentioned there in terms of dig it
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: out of the sand and become king like excavated from
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the sand, the move that everybody goes through. Well, it's
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: also I think it's propa It could be a great
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: explanation for that dream start. It could also just be
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: like governmental propaganda, right, so he could be you could
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: put that in there and say, see that I'm divinely
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: ordained to be king because I dug this out of
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the sand, just.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: In the interest yeah, just the interest of keeping this standalone.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Please explain to people the whole deal with doctor Robert
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Shark from Boston University and the water erosion. Yes, I know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and if you've heard this before, I'm sorry. I just
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: want it for people that are like, what the water
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: erosion that appears to be thousands of years are in.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually good. It's good background context because it
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: does apply to not only the Sphinx. It's the most
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: famous example, I think, a well known example of a
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: of again an adjacent field of science coming in and
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: challenging some of the doctrine that's been around Egyptology. But
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: it was actually swallowed to Lubits, who originally i think
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: proposed that. His work was followed up by John Anthony West,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: who then brought doctor Robert Schock, who's a professor of
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: geology at Boston University to the Sphinx. This was I
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: believe the late eighties early nineties, and he went and
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: looked at the erosional pats. So the sphinx sits inside
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: an enclosure. It's card from bedrock, so it was originally
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: what you'd call a yardang, which is like a limestone outcropping,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: and so they cut down in this big enclosure, they
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: cut the floor and then they sort of shaped the
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: sphinx from this natural outcropping of bedrock. So you had
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: and we know this because the structure next to the
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: sphinx are in front of it, called the Sphinx Temple,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: is actually you can line up the sedimentary layers the
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: blocks that are in there from the Sphinx enclosure, so
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: we know that there were blocks taken from here.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: So this is all.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Predictably sort of cut walls, and the sphinx would have
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: been nicely finished when it was, and he looked at
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: these patterns. If you go there today, I think I
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: have pictures of the walls of the Sphinx enclosure in there,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: and it's just these deeply eroded vertical channels. And the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: sphinx body is harder to tell because it's been restored
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: so many times that the ancient Egyptians restored it. The
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Romans restored it. We restored it a couple different times. Yeah, yeah,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: it's funny. But the nice thing is the walls of
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: the enclosure really hadn't been touched, so you can see
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: the natural erosive patterns. And he looked at that and
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: when that's rainfall erosion, but not just some rainfall erosion,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: literally the result of thousands of years. It's the only
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: way you would get these patterns in the stone is
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: thousands of years of rainfall erosion. Obviously, geezers are really
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: really dry. I mean, Egypt's a really dry place these days.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: You have to go back to time periods pre four
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: thousand BC, when the was a savannah. It was grasslands
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: with lake basins and river systems, and it had a
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: lot more rain. You didn't have this annual flood you
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: know cycle that you have now. It's it was like
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: a lot more rainfall. It was much more verdant and green.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: The Geese plateau would have been green and it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Was since that that's why they would settle there in
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: the first place.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, why when they didn't build in a desert,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I mean you wouldn't because it would fill up with sand.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: It also makes sense why they would flourish because they
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: had so much resources, because it was like so green
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and furtive, right, probably had plenty of plants, plenty of animals.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Well there's you know, there's there's a really other good
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: point associated with that that I wanted to bring up,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: but first just to finish on the Sphinx erosion. So
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: when Shot came out and said this, he really thought
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: he was, you know, moving the story forward. And he
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: took it to an archaeological conference and they literally laughed
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: him out of the room and they said this is
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: you know, this is this is, this is ridiculous, Like
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: where are the potshirds? Was I think Mike mark Lander's
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: comment saying like, where's the evidence that something's at least
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: twelve thousand mocking them? Yeah, so he got a good
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: taste of the I guess the old boy network of
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the archaeologists on that day. But he's, you know, he's
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: being very conservative in that dating also of saying well,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: twelve thousand years, it could well be tens of thousands
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of years, And in fact, it seems more likely to
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: me based on the erosional evidence that we see not
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: only in the Sphinx enclosure but elsewhere on the Giza Plateau.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: There's many places where you see just a huge amount
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: of erosion that you can't really explain within the timelines
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: and the climate of dynastic Egypt as we know it
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: from you know, roughly three thousand BC till even now,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: like because you've still it's still eroding, right, But yeah,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: it could be vastly more ancient. I actually, I actually
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: think there's something else that came out. Was it the
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: earlier this year? I think it was much earlier this
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: year or maybe late late last year, But there was
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: a study done that showed that during the African humid period,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: so this period of time before a desert desertification of Egypt,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the Sahara becoming a desert, when it was green and
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: there was more consistent rainfall, there was a lobviously a
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: lot more water in the Nile as we call it,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: and it had different channels. One of the things they
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: discovered was that there was a branch of the River Nile,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: and it's called the Aramat branch, and it was in
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: places up to a kilometer most of a mile wide,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: so it was quite an extensive branch. But it turns
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: out that all of these valley temples on all of
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: these pyramid sites from Dashur and Sakhara, ABIs A Giza,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: all of those valley temples were built on the shores
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: of this extinct branch of the Nile. So it's it's
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: like pyramid com you know pyramids. When you look at
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: a pyramid, it's not just a pyramid. There's a whole
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: complex associated with it. There's there's a temple, there's a
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: structure at the pyramid, there's a causeway, there's what they
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: call valley temples down and it's like these were all
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: built on the shorelines of this of this branch of
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the Nile that went basically disappeared four thousand somewhere between
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: four thousand and thirty five hundred BC, but it was
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: in place for thousands and thousands of years before that.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: And today if you go there and they say, well,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: you know the valley temple, yep, they would ship the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: stones from Maswuan and it'd be like three months of
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: the year it would flood enough where you can get
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: a boat. And I mean, I've seen pictures. There are
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: pictures of when that flood happened before they built the
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: dam and stopped that process and it's in some years
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: it's a puddle like it there's not. I mean, you're
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: talking about boats that were carrying hundreds of tons of
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: granite and only in a three month period of year
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: can you get them in there. There's many There would
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: have been many years where there's not even remotely enough water
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: to get it anywhere near the valley temple.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think they even use boats.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I know I don't either.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds crazy to say, but I think
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: they had a technology that we haven't even begun to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: mess with yet.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: The logistical achievements of the ancient Egypt, of what is
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: represented in ancient Egypt is like like nothing you can
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: see anywhere. I mean, there's Balbeck and then there's To me,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: the best example is the statue at Tannis. There's a statue.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I mean there's several of these thousand plus ton statues,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: like half a dozen of them. You get remnants of them,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: But there was one that was at that was moved
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: a thousand kilometers, like a thousand kilometers, and it would
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: have been it is a single piece granite statue, easily
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: a thousand tons.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Show that image, Jamie, if you would please.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's giant objects in there or something there's
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, and this is Tannis in the delta as
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: one down here at the at the quarry, I mean
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: downstream on the nile. There's there's there's another example of
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the one at Karnak. That's the whole shoulder and arm
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: of a composite quartzite. Again its size of the statue
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: of Liberty basically like single piece granite, solid statue. I mean,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: there's there's all these piece.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: That's a small one, which is insane. That's that. Yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: that's look at the people in the background and say
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: that's a small one.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only two hundred tons. I mean it's fifty.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's not. You have ten times almost that size.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: The crazy thing is also how beautiful it is, like
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: how symmetrical it is.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: The workmanship on these is astonished, and you can still
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: feel like this is one of the signs I think
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: when you get to the finishing on some of these statues. Uh,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: that's a yeah, that's a joint kneecap. There's one with
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: an arm and a shoulder sort of poking out. That's
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: a really good example, and that's balback.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: The point is when you when you talk about how
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: beautiful that, Like how that one that's lying down Jamie, Oh,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: there's a one, the back one, a couple that one. Yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: look at the finishing on that. That's how incredible. You
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: see his nipple, you see all the you know what
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, thousands of years later you see the detail
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: on the headdress. You see all and then you have
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: to realize, like this was done with people that didn't
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: have steel.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can supposedly.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Right, definitely, I mean they yeah, later periods, like in
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: the New Kingdom they had some more iron, not necessarily ill,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: but you know, you know something else here like see
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: that cartouche. See how poor that is relative to the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: finishing of the face and the chest. So this is
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: the other thing that happened. This is why no one's
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: sort of like, you don't get archaeologists saying, well, there's statues,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: we don't know who made it. We know he made
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: it because they put their name on this. That is
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: literally Ramsey's the seconds cartoush right there. I recognize it anywhere.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: But that's awesome that you recognize that.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: If you come to Egypt, you'll recognize it too. Show
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: it he was Petrie called Ramses the second, the great usurper,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: because he put his name on everything and he carved
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: it in deep like this too. He would have it
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: have it him and his father Seti the first and
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: his son Marion Patar, they were all they were all
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: in that business of rebadging some of this stuff.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: So they would find all things and they would put
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: their name on it.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: They would claim it for themselves. I think it's it's
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: the nature of I mean during that period in the
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: New Kingdom, in the nineteenth dynasty, you know.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: It's all I did this me.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the height of Dynastic Egyptians, Egypt's power
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and wealth, so they had all of this, uh, I
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: think hubris and and arrogance to to to make themselves
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: one of the gods. And it's one of the I
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: think there's these statues. There's a lot to unpack in
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: these because I also happen to think that when you
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: look at these massive statues, you can't really explain with
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: the capabilities of the dynastic Egyptians. I think it also
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: explains their iconography because if they inherited these giant statues,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: like it's those are the gods, like you're looking at this.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Imagine the statue of the size of the Statue of
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Liberty standing out in the desert and it's just sitting
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: there looking at you with this this, this face and that,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: and the craftsmanship on these are amazing kind of see
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: it here. You see how the eyeballs are like tilted
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: down almost and this it looks like a smile on
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: the face, but when you it's perspective, when when you
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: stand beneath them and you look up at them, they're
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: looking at you and that and it's not so much
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: it's not a smile, it's just like a straight it
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: looks straight. They've built they they've shaped these faces for
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: perspective as if you're viewing them from the grounds. They're
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: absolutely incredible. And there's also been studies done on some
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: of these to show that phases are pretty much perfectly symmetrical. Again,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: not something that you can achieve or not something that's
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: done in modern artwork. The perfect symmetry that's not a
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: it's not even a characteristic of a human face. Like
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: we aren't like that our nostrils or different sizes and whatever.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: But because we're hybrids, we could be.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: We're just we're imperfect, we're imperfect beings, Joe, I mean
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: they made us.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I think something came here from somewhere else, or something
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: was already here, and intervention theory did something with lower harmonds.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Have you read Lloyd Pye's work Herid of It? But
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I haven't read Everything you think you know is wrong
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: fun lecture, Rest in peace, Lloyd. He was, And there's
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: some interesting genetic evidence that's this, I think suggests that
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: as a possibility, our chromosomal difference between us and other
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: mammals of our type almost like we've had these the
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: tellurides have been attached, We've been genetically engineered.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Braden talks about that.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have some real strange characteristics for being on
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: this planet, like we dive exposure and eighty degrees in
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: the shade. We can't look at the sun. You see dogs,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: You get a dogs stare at the sun like this
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: and like what are you doing? Like I'm fine, why
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: can't you do that? I can't even see it? Not
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: we have no benefit of the television.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting also when they look at all these
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: other versions of humans that they find almost all of
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: them were more durable.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, broomsticks to axe handles. Yeah, but like it's multiple
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: gaps of.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: But isn't that kind of in the Bible When doesn't
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: the Bible say the meek shall.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Inher thorar well, where the meat? When it comes to
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: like where the meat? Yeah, we're just the meanest. Maybe
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: where the meanest.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Where the meanest and the trickiest because we had to
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: be which is like all animals when you know you
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: have to you're small, Like hyenas are fucking ruthless. Oh yeah,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the reason why they're ruthless is because lions are bigger.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Had to figure it out, you know, they'd just be
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: fucking mean and nasty. And I think I think we
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: probably wiped out or inner bread with everything that wasn't us. Yeah,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: that's a wrap. Sorry, Sorry, your big bones don't work
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: on arrows. Yes, you dummies didn't figure out catapults yet.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Guerrilla tactics, yeah, gorilla tactics technology. I mean, I think
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: that's also probably one of the reasons why we're so
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: obsessed with making better stuff, including weapons.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, I think so, I mean there
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: is I don't rule out the I mean, personally, in
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: my opinion, I think there's a either via pants spermia
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: or intervention theory like that where we've been there is
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: a huge mystery as to is to both our species
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: and then how life itself kind of kicked off, Like
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: that's even pant Spermi is like kicking the can down
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the road problem, Like how do you how does DNA
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: have because it's one of the most interesting things to
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: me is like DNA as a technology has never changed, right,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: so from sill cell organisms right down through to us.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: The way life is expressed as a technology DNA like that,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: how it expresses life has changed, But DNA I don't
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: think has changed. Like it's it's like this one way
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: that life expresses itself and how it forms is like
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: the actual origins of life. It's doce, it's it is
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: human operating system. Yeah, life lost and life life operating
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: systems like that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: What is your take on those tridactyl mummy I have.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I I think there's I would.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: See Jesse Michael's episode on it and.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Little Yeah, not all of it. I've seen some of
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: it yet a scan you see the scan. I've seen
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the scans.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw some of the I don't want to
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: get tricked, so I'm like, but Jesse said that seeing
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: them in person. I just talked to him about it.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: He said it was otherworldly. He said it was incredibly strange,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: like very very surreal seeing them in person, because it
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: really does feel like it's a different species, like you're
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: looking at some different species.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: My take on that stuff is, honestly, it's it's like,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: sure it to me, the whole, the whole alien other
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: life in the universe was settled. I mean, it's a
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: mathematical certainty, like I just kepla mission showed it, Like,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: it's a mathematical certainty that life has to exist in
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: other places on the planet and in some form. But
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: and then you multiply that out across the span of
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: space and time. Is it possible that we're being used?
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Is there something to these phenomena? Yes, right, I think
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: so it doesn't. I'm I'm skeptical that will ever really
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: hope maybe my lifetime will will know. But I'm would
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: it change what I'm doing if we had that realization,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Not particularly. I don't think it's just like it could
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: be part of the Galactic Federation. I'd be like, oh,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: that's cool.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I think it'll give additional perspective, like let's just let's
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: go way out there and put that fucking tinfoil hat
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: on tape. If they open up the labyrinth, if they
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: figure out way to drain the water, and they do
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: find out that that forty meter long metallic thing is
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: something from another something from another place, or maybe breakop civilization.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of people that think that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: there were like like, there's us and then there's Neanderthals, right,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: and then there's Okay, they all co existed at one
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: point in time. What if this thing coexisted with us
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: as well, and this is a different version of what
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: we will eventually be. Just like if let's imagine human
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: beings we maintain a presence on this earth for the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: next thirty million years, Let's just imagine that could be crazy,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: but it's happened before with crocodiles. If right, if we did,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: what would chimpanzees be like thirty million years from now?
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Evolution wouldn't stop, right, It's not gonna stop.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: They're already using tools, right, there's speculation. I mean, there's
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: various scientists that believe that you can make an argument
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: that many primates.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Are in the Stone Age. Yeah, that they've entered into
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: the stone Age.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: So let's assume that this keeps moving in that general
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: direction without our intervention, which I'm assuming some foreign countries
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: probably would engage in that, and one of them might
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: be America. Secretly, like if we're if we're look, if
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: we're doing this gain of function research on viruses that
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: wind up killing a.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Million people, you don't think that we're gonna.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: If there's some sort of like there was talk during
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the I believe it was World War Two where Russia
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: was there was talk of some sort of a hybrid
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: between a human being and a chimpanzee trying to devise
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: that for soldiers.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yeah, real, right, it's real.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's some very strange and yeah, the interesting
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: experiments that happened.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: So what if those little fuckers, what if those little
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: fuckers are like the ogs, like they're us like a
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: million years from now, and what what we are? You know,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the chimps are a million years later, that's what we
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: are right now currently, they are what we're going to be.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they weren't. Fuck it, We're going to
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: the ocean.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Right well, right, yes, that's that's a possibility. In fact,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: the breakaway civilization concepts not a new one either, Like
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of ancient cultures looked at places
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: like even the moon as a refuge. They would call
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: it a refuge. Like that's a whole other theory, Like
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: what's going on with the moon?
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Is there? Are there?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Is there something happening up? There was there something that
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: happened with it in the past. Yeah, I mean this
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: is it's it's to me the whole it's all of
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: these things are completely plausible. Like I just I don't
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I tried actors or the the Yeah, I mean the
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: UFO phenomena. I mean this could have been going on
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: for a long long time. I wouldn't. I mean it,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I certainly would include some sort of other worldly craft
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: as potentially one of the explanations for what that thing
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: is beneath the ground at the labyrinth.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Well, even if it's not another world of craft, whatever
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: the fuck? What's going on where someone could make a
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: forty meter long metallic thing thousands and thousands and thousands
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: of years ago, forty meters is to half of a
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: damn football field.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's big.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: That's big, and stick it underground for some reason. Yeah,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: in a corridor or in a huge a trim. Okay, yeah,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: like what all bets are off? If what those Italian
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: scientists are saying is underneath the Giza plateau, Yeah, all
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: bets are off. You're looking at something that is like
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: askooky as the pyramids are. That's the tip of the iceberg.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: True, yeah, it's And that's that's why I wanted to
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: The Labyrinth was so interesting because you know that their
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: announcements around what they these you know, eight hundred meter
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: shafts and massive cubes kilometers deep under the plateau is
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: kind of came out of nowhere. But there is there
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: are these accounts for these other places like the Labyrinth,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: where there's there's some like historical legitimacy to them, like
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: there's been accounts of them. Although you know, over time
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: what they're talking about beneath the Giza plateau maybe not
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: to the full extent of what they're saying. I'm still
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: having trouble with that, but there's certainly a lot more.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: We know there's a lot more down there right that
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: we at least the public has never discovered. We know
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: that there are so beneath the bottom of the Asias shaft,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: for example. We know that there are further tunnels that
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: go off from there that go underneath it. The Asirah Shaft,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: for people who don't know, is one of the It's
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: like a there's three passages, like three rooms, and it
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: goes down a little over one hundred feet or so
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: beneath the ground, beneath the causeway and the middle pyramid complex.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: You go down this big ladder, you go into one room,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: you go down another ladder. There's a bigger room with
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: boxes in it, and you go down a further ladder
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: to the bottom room, which also has boxes in it.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Today it's the water tables way up high, but we
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: know in the past. This is one of the things
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: that has recently come to light is that that down
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: there in the bottom in the nineteen nineties that was
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: scanned with ground penetrating radar at the bottom level and
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: they found yep, there are actually like four meter long,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: eight feet high tunnels with dome ceilings below that. Even
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: further that nobody is, as far as we know, have
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: ever explored. There are also tunnels leading off from that
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: bottom level that head off towards the sphinx, and they
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: head off towards the pyramid, and in fact they fork
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: because there was a little known exploration done by a
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: team of Japanese scientists in the early two thousands that
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: got like a camera on a long pole and they
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: shoved it down through the mud and they stuffed at
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: about twenty meters into one of these tunnels, and they
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: found these man made structures like tunnels, and it forks,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: and that it actually forks off and one seems to
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: head towards the Great Pyramid, and one keeps going up
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: towards Kafra. So there's tons of stuff below there. And
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: in fact, if you ever go to the Giza plateau,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: that that causeway, if you're heading up towards the Middle Pyramid,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: you've got the Asiah shaft on the left, but on
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: the right you have, i mean a ten of these
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: massive shafts that we don't really know how deep they are,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: whether or not they've ever been fully excavated, but they
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: just go way down into the ground. So it's this
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: could be like, you know, it's like the very top
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: layer of things that are being claimed by the Italian
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: scientists and their and their scans, but there was we
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: know that these tunnels extend down to beneath the Sphinx,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: for example, Like, there's long been rumored that there's a
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: tunnel and entrance at the end at the back of
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: the Sphinx. In fact, if you go there, there's a
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: little box in the little hole doesn't go anywhere. I've
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: stuck a camera in there and had a look. But
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: this is what happened in the ninety nineties. So you know,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: John Anthony West, I'm sure you've seen The Mysteries of
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: the Sphinx, right, super documentary. Yeah, I know, I know
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: he has seen his work. Oh yeah, yeah, wonderful documentary.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Charlton Hester.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well, that's when that archaeologist is mocking. Yes,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Graham Hancock and John Anthony West.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: That's right.
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• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he produced he did that research I think
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety ninety only one it
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: came out and John Nnty History won an Emmy for
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Best Documentary I think for it was totally warranted, but
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: so he he as part of that work, had a
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: guy named Tom de Becky who was a ground penetrating
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: radar expert, and he did work around the Sphinx and
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: he found the existence of like large regular chambers beneath
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: the Sphinx. And then when that documentary came out, I
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: mean allegedly, Zai was incensed by it because it talked
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: about Atlantis and it made the suggestion that there might
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: this might be, you know, a hall of records. It
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: talked about agacase and he then denied after that John
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Anthony West and Robert Shock any permits to do any
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: further work. But what's weird is that Zayi and Mark
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Laner have this long standing connection with the Edgar Casey Foundation,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: which is like, it's this weird dichotomy. It's like the
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: public facing they decry anything Atlantis based, but then on
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: the private side they seemed to be enabling explorations by
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: the Aire and in fact they've been enabling the are
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: to do drilling experiments and other things at the Sphinx
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: since the late nineteen seventies. And there was an expedition
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: notorious one that no one ever knew what happened. It
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: was called the Shore Expedition Doctor Joseph Shaw, Joseph Jehodah
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: and then a guy named Boris Sayid, we're running this
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: shore expedition. Named Boris Sayid was a friend of John
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Anthony West. He was the executive producer for Mysteries of
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: the Sphinx. And in this happened in like ninety five
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: through about ninety seven, ninety ninety seven, and they partnered
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: up with Zahi gave them a five year unlimited permit
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: to do whatever they wanted up at the on the
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Giza plateau. And one of the stories that came out
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: of that was a story so Boris Sayid, who unfortunately
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: has also passed away since, but he talked about filmings.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Are he what he said, Well, we've got to the
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: back of the Sphinx and he said, you know, we
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: want to make another documentary like the Mysteries of the
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Sphinx and he said, well, what if we open up
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: a tunnel that no one's ever opened up before. And
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: he's like that, that'd be great. What sort of tunnel?
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: He said, well, a tune under the Sphinx and borised soa,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: that'd be fantastic. So I actually filmed him going into
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: the rump of the Sphinx, standing down in there and saying,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: you know, the quote is something like even Indiana Jones
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: wouldn't believe that he was he was here. We're standing
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: inside the body of the Sphinx. Nobody knows where this
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: tunnel goes, but we're going to open it for the
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: first time. And he's down in this space with it,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: with basically a blocked up tunnel beneath the Sphinx and
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: this He filmed all of this, but then this footage
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: all disappeared, so during the expedition it was kind of
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: shut down, and then they got into a legal dispute,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: like like Boris IID and Joseph Shaw got into this battle.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: The footage was never seen, but he went on art
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Bell in the late nineties and talked about it, and
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: we're like, ah, damn, so this you know, they also
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: talked about this stuff at the Asirah Shaft. They did
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: that grand penetrating radar work, sonic experiments in the Great Pyramid.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: There's a lot that happened at this shore expedition run
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: by the They're all are members like and they the
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: stated goal Joseph Shaw was always defined the Hall of Records, right.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I mean this all continued in into two thousands too
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: with that that organization. But there was all this tantalizing
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: mystery of this footage, like where the fuck I said
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: footag Apparently the Department of Justice had a copy of
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: it because there was this lawsuit that was.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Going on.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: And nobody knew, so it's kind of out there. And
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: then and then it was only like earlier this year.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: It turns out that so what happened. So Borisseed was
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: sick with liver cancer, but he was trying to raise
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: funds to make this documentary. So he put together this
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: tape with some of this footage from this expedition, and
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: he was selling VHS copies of it as a way
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: to invest in this documentary. And then up like a
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: year later he just he that's when he passed away.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: So there was there's been a handful of these vhs
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: tapes out there in random homes from the mid to
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: late nineties with this tape, and then eventually someone this
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: year actually digitized it put it up on YouTube as
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: an unlisted video. I found out about it, and so
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now we actually have this footage
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: we have are he going into the Sphinx at the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: back saying, yeah, it's if you Jamie, if you pull
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: up my I think it's the latest or the couple
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: latest videos about the rare footage found from the Sphinx.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: It opens with that, with that footage.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Dude, thank god you're out there. I'm so excited you
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: do this. It means so much to me that you
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: do this.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: It's it's I love doing it. It's I know you
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: do fascinate when you find like I've known about this
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: footage for years and years, and I'm like, oh my god,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: somebody found it.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is it here. So there, so he's going
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: into this tunnel.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can still this still exists. But then
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: this is yeah, this where he is now, doesn't what happened? Well,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: the story gets more and more intriguing. So yeah, this
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: is the him saying the line saying we've never opened
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: this tunnel before we're in the body of the Sphinx
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: and we're going to figure out where it goes. So yeah,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: So after that, so Boris that they filmed that. This
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: is the early days. So yeah, I'm walking around the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: back here. I think I poked my camera in there,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: but I talk about it later on. It's it's so
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Boris Sayid, who had filmed this with Zahi, goes. He
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: talks to them about let's make a contract. Let's let's
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: have Zai open the tunnel, like we'll make the documentar
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: about him opening this tunnel and we're going to shell
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: it to the world, you know, And they talked about it.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: He went back to New York and he never heard
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: from them again. They never mentioned this contract nothing. He
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: never had any further contact with Zahi about it. And
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: then funny thing happens in Egypt about I don't know
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: eight nine months later, and this is as reported by
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Robert Bovill and Graham Hancock in their book Heaven's Mirror,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: and also I found it in the Arabic publications. But
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: about eight I think it was six to eight months later,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Zahi makes an announcement in l a Ram and these
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Egyptian publications in Arabic that says, I've made this incredible discovery.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: I've just covered tunnels and chambers beneath the Giza Plateau.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: That's going to change everything we know about the ancient
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Egyptians and the pyramids. And he talked about finding three tunnels,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: one that was like on the north, one on the south,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: and then one that was yet to be determined where
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: it went. And he made this announcement and then never
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: said another word about it ever again in the past.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: And this is just in the Arabic papers. And here's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: here's the funny thing is is.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: But it could have been because there's nothing there.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I suspect something else. I suspect that if that, even
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: if there was nothing there, you'd still stick. He would
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: have stick, stuck a camera down and looked at it.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: I suspect I think it's more likely that, yeah, they
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: found something that might have upset the apple cart, and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: it doesn't because.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: It doesn't imagine if they're sitting on information.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I think you think, yes, yeah, I do. I think
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: there's been plenty of excavations and discoveries that I think
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: were inconvenient for one reason or the other that I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: have probably never seen the light of day.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: That's a crime against humanity a.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Little bit, I think so. I mean it's, you know,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: the funny thing that he's what he said to when
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: he's when I read that comment, he makes about three tunnels.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: That's that's that's what Ala Dressi and Al al Masardi
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: said as well, like this, these Herodtus of the Aras
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: like six to eight hundred AD, when they went down,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: they described the same damp to three tunnels like chambers
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: and rooms. It's it's like lining up with the same
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: as the labyrinth, like it's lining up with these historical accounts.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: And then it's just you don't hear another word about it.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: And when you go to the Sphinx today and you
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: you finally you pop that little box off its But
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: the whole thing's been backfield, Like the whole where you
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: see that camera where Zahi was standing, that's still beams
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: still there, but where his head level is where he's
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: standing here, this tunnel goes it's like the dirt levels
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: here now, like it's it's all been backfield.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: That's so crazy.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why would you do that?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: If there wasn't something in there, you would only do
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: it if there's something in there unless it kieve in.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest, it's it's my concern also with
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: the Great Pyramid and the Chamber there is that first
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: of all, have my suspicions that they may well have
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: already taken a peek with an endoscopic camera into that
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: that hidden void. So this is you know the SCAMRAI
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: anything in partecular No, No, I just know just just
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: my experience with how they do things. Yes, so there's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: always I mean, I just there's very little transparency when
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: it comes to a lot of these digs and stuff.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: And this isn't just the Egypt This is I think.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a criticism, it's maybe more characteristic
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: of archaeological digs everywhere. Sometimes the way this works is
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: you might have to wait twenty or thirty years for
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: or a decade for information to come out because then
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: it has to get perfect. If someone has to publish
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: a paper, you know, they sit on that information until
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: that point, or maybe it never sees the light of day,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Because it's inconvenient.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Well I do I do you think that I mean
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: anything that's going to like seriously upset the apple cart,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Like if you came out and found something that was
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: damn we found the whole records, you know, we found this,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: this this evidence that is incontrovertible that suggests that there
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: was a predecessor culture and a predecessor civilization to the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: ancient Egyptians. I think there would be some long and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: hard thinking about whether or not we actually release that,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: because it's going to make everybody look back, you know
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: what I mean, like it ubsessed.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: It and it's crazy though that it is make everybody
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: look bad. Would be the motivation to keep one of
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: the most important discoveries ever from the human rings. I agree, Yes,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I fucking nuts it is we're even thinking about this.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: And I love your approach. I think you're absolutely right too.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Is it? Even if these figures, all they'd have to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: do is embrace it. All they'd have to say is
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: look at what we learned, and everyone be like, that's amazing.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: And if you still Egyptians but it's just it's Egyptians
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: that go back thirty thousand years or whatever it is
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: or more, that's so crazy. But also, wouldn't that excite
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: more people to be more interested? Wouldn't that increase the economy.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't that increase the tourism.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: It would increase everything, Yes, it would.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: It would make everybody more excited about archaeology.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I think you got to embrace the mystery. There was
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: a trend towards squishing.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: It for a while.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: There's no way you could know everything. It's not possible,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: especially when you're finding these new things. It's clear you
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: don't know everything. Yeah, if they're finding new things, you
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: don't know everything. If there's a forty meter long metallic
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: object in a labyrinath, it's in a giant age room
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: that's under the fucking ground. Yeah, you don't know everything.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's worth taking a look, like geez, you think, Yeah,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, let's at least take a look. Drill like
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: a hole, like figure out we know where from the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: scan kind of where it is, like we would take
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: a bull hole down.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: And we were talking before, you were saying that there
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: might be a possibility of digging a tunnel under the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: water through to the bottom because the actual area where
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: it is is not in the water.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: That's so the scan seem to indicate it it is
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: likely free of water. That is the terminology I heard
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: from the scan in interpretations, it's true to say that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: the issue with the water on at Hawara and the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: labyrinth is is the groundwater. So it's this seepage that's
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: coming in from the north and it's so presumably at
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: some point you do get to a formal bedrock that
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: may well be impermeable, and if it's sealed and you're
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: cut into that structure, then yeah, you may well be
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: free of water, or it might be you know.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: It's it's fuck up and let the water through.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: That for sure. Some of it's in the like the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: upper levels of the labyrinth. So from the ground penetrating
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: radar scans at the Matahar expedition, I mean, you have
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: these granite blocks that are like three four meters wide
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: and it's huge labyrinthine structure that's sitting in. I mean,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's full of sediment too. Like it's not
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: like there may be some cavities and open everyone's like
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: can we dive on them? Like it's full of it's
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: literally mud and sediment, a.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: Lot of it.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: And if that's sitting in this sort of salty, brackish
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: ground water that I suspect is not going to do
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: great things to that granite if it's left for another
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: fifty hundred years or more. So it's there is a
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: pressure to to remediate this problem, and I think to
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: save what's down there. The deeper layers, however, seem like
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: there's a possibility that they're free of war.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, has there been has there been any proposal
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: to do that? Is there any proposal to figure out
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: a way to reroute the water?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: So this is what I talked about it in the video.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: There were some studies that started to happen to try
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: and do that, and then the guy who was running
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: the study got thrown in jail for talking about it,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: and then nothing since that, nothing since as far as
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: Tells Hi can come on again if he does it,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: I mention it.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: I would love to. I would, I would like. I mean,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's a solvable problem though. That's the thing
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: to do, mushrooms, That's what we have to do to
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: get him to just drop it all, be interesting, cut
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: the bullshit, become the sun god.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: No, I don't just let everybody love you for doing that,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: because they would if we just changed turn turned a
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: new page, just said all right, let's just let's go crazy.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: I think, yes, yeah, he's yeah, he wants to be loved,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: he wants to be respected.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Everybody does. So open it up. Maybe let's go give
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: me a hug, open it up. Start digging.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go. Let's let's think some ball holes and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: get some pumps in there and like get this water
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: out of here.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, these are those moments where I wish it
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: was z E Line Musk because you want an engineer
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: to get involved as well.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: You need all of that.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you did need like Army Corps engineers, someone who's
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: going to be able to figure out.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: How to move water, think a real big French train,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: you know, just figure it out.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: It can be done. It might take decades, but it
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: can be done. It can be done. The result would
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: be insane.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: I think you could do it too, in like a
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: targeted search. I think you could do start in a
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: small area where you know, you do some more I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: mean more surveys too, like more more GPR, more surveys,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: more scans, and really narrow in on like a section,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: and then like let's see if it's if we're if
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: what we're seeing on these scans is there, then maybe
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: do the site.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling it's one of many. I really do.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, I have a feeling that whole area,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: that whole complex you're going to go as if they
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: can really prove that there have been civilizations that have
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: been there for ten, twenty thirty thousand years. I think
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: it's going to reveal itself one layer of the onion
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: at a time.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Right, and it's today it's like it is a symptom
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: of the climate that we only really look in the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Nile Valley, right because the Dynastic Egyptians settled in the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Nile Valley because when they started it was a desert
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: that was the habitable part. But if you if you
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: open up the possibility that there's a precursor civilization that
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: was existing in the millennia prior to that. Now you've
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: got the Sahara, you've got to figure out where the lakes,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: the river systems, the lake basins were, and there's very
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: little of the Sahara that's fully you know, we're not
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: looking under the sand there. We're developing new scanning techniques.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: Let's start looking there because I think there's a you know,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: the Assyrions, this crazy place at the back of Temple
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: of SETI the first in Abydos, and it's sitting on
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: top of this aquif. It's like this big subterranean granite structure,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I bet this is this was I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: think clearly some sort of functional thing. And I bet
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: there's a bunch more of these, but we just don't
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: know where they are because they're.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: Under the ground.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: We just found this one. Well said he found it
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: when he built his temple, and he's like, holy shit,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: which found this giant granite subterranean structure. Let's turn the
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: temple this way. But yeah, I think there's I think
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: there's a strong possibility as well, there's a lot more
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: of that stuff. And even to the credit the archaeologists
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: suggests the same thing. The scope and scale of what
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: is under the sand in Egypt, I mean, I think
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: even most mainstream archaeologists will tell you like seventy percent
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: of it still as yet undiscovered at least.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: That is so crazy. That's such a crazy thing to
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: say when you look at what has been discovered.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: That's nothing quite like it. I mean, Luxaw, what do
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: they say the stats around luxA is like one third
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: of the world's antiquities in this one area, just at
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: lux And it's not even the Giza Plaateeau. That's just
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: that's upper Egypt, down at Luxel with the West Bank
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: and the Valley of the Kings and Karnak Temple, and
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: it's astonishing, and they're still digging stuff up. There's a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: the temple of Amenhotep. The second or third is nick
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: closs I of Memnon. These giant six seven hundred ton
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: statues are like the front door to it, and they're
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: slowly excavating this monstrous temple behind it, and they keep
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: finding these remnants of these colossal statues. I've heard rumors,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: just rumors. I'm going to Egypt like next week, hopefully
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: we can. I want to get a look at this.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: And I've heard rumors that they found like a hand
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: from a statue that's even bigger than the biggest ones
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: we've found so far. So they might have found a
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: segment of a statue that was one of the largest ever,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: which would be astonishing because who knows. I mean that
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: there's some evidence that they made stuff like that. I mean,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: we talk about a thousand tons, and that's mind boggling enough.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: But there's actually a quarry in Egypt called Minya. It's
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: like the unfinished obelisk, right, it's like the unfinished dobbleis
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: is still attached. They never pulled it out. It's twelve
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: hundred tons. But that Minya, there's these it's like limestone
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: and these they've cut these blocks out, they're still attached.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: They've made these blocks and there's even an inscription, like
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: a rough inscription of a seated fair, like a seated
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: figure on a throne, sort of drawn on that. And
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: if that's what they were going for. But if you
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: take the density of the limestone in the menu region
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: and you calculate its volume, it's in the realm of
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: five thousand tons. Oh my god, yeah, it's it's who
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: knows what they what was there originally?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Mean?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: I just I think it's it's baffling enough that we
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: have this, you know, these logistical achievements in that in
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: that anything above really three four hundred tons, christ above
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: one hundred tons over any distance is a massive challenge
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: for any anyone, I mean us to move that sort
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: of a load over the roads and things we have now,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: I mean ship. Even in Peru, you find similar logistical achievements,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: like I was just spent just came back from five
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: weeks in Peru.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about that. To have to peece
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: so bad. Okay, so it's pause real quick and be
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: right back. Sorry, sorry about that, folks, and we're back.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: Have you speculated, like why they want of things so
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: big like or was it just that they had the
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: ability all of a sudden at one point in time
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: and their development.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's you can't make to me any argument
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: that these giant statues are functional. They're clearly symbolic. It's
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: it's the it's it's almost like a challenge to history.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: It's it's a it's a monument through history. I mean
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: there's some indication that things like the Pyramid, the Great
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Pyramid are markers. And you know there there are demonstrations
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: of their knowledge and capability, and we can talk about
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: that in a minute, but there's with the statues. It's no,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: it's to me, it's just like look at us, Look
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: how mighty were Like it's it's it's like the same
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: reason we I mean, why do we make Mount Rushmore.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: We make some big money. It's like to leave a
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: monument or it's some sort of marker behind I mean
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: the Sphinx for example, could be a marker in time
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: when you look at it in terms of the Great
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: cycle and the fact that it was likely a lion,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: and you know it's facing due east, so that it
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: could well be a marker for a particular moment during
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: the processional cycle.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Which could be either like ten thousand, five hundred BC
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: or thirty five thousand.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Right or plus twenty nine and twenty years, so each
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: cycle of that. So this is the thing I mean,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: the Sphinx, I mean, it's been talked about even like
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: again we go back to Diodoros, Sikilus and Strabo and Herodesis,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: they talked about the sphinx being vastly older. They're hearing
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: things about it being older. Gaston Maspero and and a
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: lot of the archaeologists, the early explorers for that region
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: also mentioned it being twelve plus thousand years old, it
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: being this ancient monument, and there's strong evidence to support
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: that in that I mean, you have statues of sphinxes
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: that pre date Kafra, for example, so when he apparently
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: built it, like there's already we see statues and imitations
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: of Sphinx's also lions before that time. You have the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: what's called the inventory Stelle or the Stelle of Kufu's daughter,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: which was a statue that Kufu being Cuffer's father. So
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Cufu Great pyramid cuff for a middle middle pyramid. Uh.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: This this, this is rarely acknowledged, but it tells the
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: story of that that that Cufu was trying to repair
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: the sphinx and dig it out of the sand. He's
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Cuffer's father, So this is Coupy the older. But also
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: the name, like the the oldest name for the sphinx
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: is Ruti and it's it's it's the it's the two lions,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: it's segment. And what's the name of the other lion?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: I can't I have it here? What is it?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of the other lion? God,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: but it's it literally means the two lions and gates.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: So it's like this lion's gate. It's it's guarding a gate.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: But this is one of the oldest names for it.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: So if it if it was indeed a lion, and
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: it's facing jew east. And we know that the things
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: like procession of the processional cycles. Processional numerology is deeply
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: embedded in many many cultures all around the world. This
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: is one of the other key bits of contacts that
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: seems to point to a consolidated origin point for knowledge
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: and data of the cosmos and of geodetic data. But
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: knowledge of the procession of the equinoxes is one of
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: those which is the you know, basically you mark this
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: by what constellation is behind the rising sun on the
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: vernal equinox facing east, So as we look east today,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: it's somewhere between the constellation of Pisces and Aquarius. And
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: it's a cycle that denotes or is due to the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Earth's wobble. Right, so we have at least three motions
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: of the planet. We have the you know, like the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: rotation of the Earth, so twenty four hour cycle, we
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  Speaker 2: have the orbit of the Earth around the Sun three
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five and a quarter days, and then
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: you have the processional wobble. There's a couple more actually
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: is and that is basically that the Earth as it
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: spins does this. It describes this little like its axis.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: It describes a circle in space which changes the constellation.
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  Speaker 2: It's a cycle that takes around twenty six thousand years.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Twenty five nine and twenty is the typical description for it,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: and what that means is the backdrop of stars, you know,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: as we're looking at any time, is slowly changing. It
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: changes only one degree every seventy two years. So if
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: you're looking at the horizon, like the width of your thumb,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: over seventy two years, the basically the relative to the sun,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: the constellations behind the sun shifts. So today it's Pisces
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: and we're moving into the Age of Aquarius, and before
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Pisces was the Age of Areas, and four Areas was
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: the age of Taurus. And you go back for another
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: get to Leo the Lion, which is another I mean
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: this the symbology and certainly the dynastic Egyptian as well
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: as many others had had very similar constellations and names
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: for all of these constellations that we do. So I
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: think there's a good indication that Sphinx could be essentially
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: a processional marker talking about a specific time, which in
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: our current cycle would have been I think, yeah, around
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: around ten thousand something BC. But you could potentially add
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: a whole cycle onto that to go back another nearly
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: twenty six thousand years, which is which is an interesting possibility.
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting, but it's also nuts.
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  Speaker 1: It's nuts comparative to our conventional timeline. What is the
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: conventional timeline for the acceptance of astrological signs that installations?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: There is?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no doubt about the I mean, the
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: processional cycle is an observable thing.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: It's it's it went But naming them like cancer, I don't.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: I don't actually know it goes back. It's it's very
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: common across multiple culture. One of the craziest things actually
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: depicted on the ceiling of the Temple of Dendero in
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: ancient Egypt, the same constellations that we have, Pisces, the fish, areas,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: the ram you know, let's save the line.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you think is the oldest accepted? Like,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: if we put it in perplexity, what do you think
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: is the oldest accepted.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: I would suspect it's either that it's either the Egyptians
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: of the Samerians, because that's about as far back as
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: written knowledge goes. I mean, it was the Samearians followed
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: by the Egyptians. I don't know what they're if the
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: Samerians had as zadiical acknowledgment, but certainly the Dynastic Egyptians did,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: and that seems to progress from there down every everyone.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: And the interesting thing is we have a sponsor perplexity.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Hey I sponsor so clay tablets from Mesopotamia, Sumerian, later
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  Speaker 1: Babylonian and the late second millennial BC give the oldest
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: secure written constellation names, including the figures like the Lion,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: the bull, and the scorpion. These early star lists such
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: as Babylonian three stars each catalogs and later the m
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: U L DOT A p I N tablets.
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  Speaker 3: What is that? You know? What that is?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: No systematically records stars and constellations, and we're compiled roughly
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: between twelve hundred and one thousand BCE, drawing on an
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: even old, even older tradition, so it's at least a
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  Speaker 1: thousand BCE.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That says here that the icon current era, the
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: iconography of star animals similar to these constellations up here
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: on prehistoric seals, vases and gaming boards from Mesopotamia may
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: go back as far as four thousand BC. I think
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: I think if you go to like go Beckley Tepe
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: and then Martin Sweatman's theories that that a lot of
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: the the animal depictions on there may be just may
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: be showing constellations. I don't believe they're the typicals of
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: dichal constellations, but it's I mean, what's what's interesting is, let's.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: See why are they found? Go Beckley Teppe. Let's see
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  Speaker 3: what perplexity thinks.
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  Speaker 1: No clear universally accepted constellation names have been identified at
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: Gobeckley Teppe, but some carvings appear to depict animals in
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: positions that may correspond to parts of later constellations, such
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: as Scorpius Sagittarius or Syginus saganusis signess sickness. According to
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: a minority of researchers, most archaeol archaeologists from being cautious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, minority being Martin Sweatman probably.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing these are powerful symbolic animal figures like a scorpion,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: vulture and other birds of prey, and arguing that firm
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: links to a true zodiac or name constellation. They are
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: speculative but interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's remarkable, I mean, and more
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: so even just than those markers. Is one of the
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, for me, the it's sacred geometry and the
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: processional numerology that's in code. I mean, this is Hamlet's Mill.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: What's what's in the book Hamlet's Mill. That that essentially
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: shows you that this a lot of this sacred geometry,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: which is as it's like a numeral system, or these
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: sacred numbers that are repeated through geometry, time distance, even
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: cosmic cycles, as we measure them, and then they appear
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: again and again through ancient cultures and in their origin
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: stories and even in their architecture. I mean, the you know,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: the Great Pyramids probably the best example of being the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you've heard that. It's it's like
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: a scale model of the northern Hemisphere at a at
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: a ratio of forty three thousand, two hundred to one.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely insane, and it's it's it encodes so much
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: more knowledge when you when you consider it from that perspective,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: knowledge that we can't explain through the dynastic Egyptians or
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: by any capabilities that they had. It encodes geodetic data
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  Speaker 2: in terms of there's very specific shape of the earth,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: it being an oblate spheroid like, it encodes that information
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: in it hotel well. So, so forty three thousand and
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: two hundred is an interesting number to start with, just
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: because the number of seconds in a day is eighty
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: six four hundred, So in twelve hours of the day
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: in like a the amount of sun like basically the
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: amount of time on a hemisphere in half of a
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: day and in exactly twelve hours is forty three thousand,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: two hundred. It's it's four to three to two is
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: one of those numbers that shows up again and again
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: and again and again. So the Great Pyramid at a
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: ratio of forty three thousand, two hundred to one one
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: is essentially a scale model of the Northern Hemisphere. If
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: you take the height of the Great Pyramid, and this
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: includes the socle that it sits on, but you take
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: that height, you multiply it by forty three thousand and
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: two hundred, you get the polar radius of the Earth,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: so from the center of the Earth to the north
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: pole almost exactly within a couple hundred feet. And even
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: more impressive is when you take the the perimeter length
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: of the Great Pyramid and you multiply that by forty
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: five thousand, two hundred, you get the equatorial circumference of
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: the Earth within about three hundred feet, which is super
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: interesting because it's flexible. It changes so as we've always known.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: There's been multiple surveys since the one hundreds of the
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Great Pyramid, and it's once its base was cleared off
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: and we got its perimeter length, and we've also had
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: surveys looking at you know, the how big is the Earth?
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Aristotles in like five six hundred AD in Greece. In Greece,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: he was the first one to give it a go
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: by measuring sort of the angle of you know, the
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: shadow in two different place over a few years, and
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: he got the circumference of the Earth to win about
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  Speaker 2: five hundred miles. That was as close as we got
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: until you know, the eighteen hundreds, and then the advent
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: of modern satellite surveys in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing is is that the more advanced
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: we got, as we step closer and closer and right
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: up to the modern satellite surveys, the closer the number
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: came to what the Great Pyramid represents at this ratio
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: of forty five thy two hundred, right up to the
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: point where it's like it's the most modern. I think
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: the surveys done in the eighties are still the ones
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: we use today looking at the you know, the actual
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: circumference of the Earth is within about three hundred feet
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: of the measure of the Great Pyramid, which makes I
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: mean it's that's within the margin of error, it's within
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: the variability of the margin.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: Of the Earth.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Because of the circumference of the Earth, because you have
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: like the moon and the sun on one side. It
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: literally you measure it every day. It's going to change,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: but two three hundred feet just because gravitational forces are
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: pushing on the Earth. So that also means that is
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: what interesting is is if in two seconds of time,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: if you're standing on the equator, then the Earth rotates
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: precisely the length of the perimeter of the Great Pyramid.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: So in two seconds it goes basically the Earth turns
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: the same length as the perimeterive length of the Great Pyramid.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: What's even crazier, And so you have you have this
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: measure expressed in distance and in time. Given that it's
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: this significant number that measures the amount of seconds in
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: twelve hours, it also encodes geodetic data. So the Earth
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: isn't a perfect sphere, right. We deviate from being a
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: perfect sphere because and this is thank Christ, because it's
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: it's like that rotation that the oblate spherid nature of
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: the Earth.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: That the the.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: What's it called the spin the shad the spin motion
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: of the Earth, essentially like the the like a dryer.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Some reason, I can't think of the word. It's it's
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: flattening our tops a little bit, and we bulge a
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: little bit at the center around the equator, right, So
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: it's like that that that's that's that spin force is
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: making us bulge a bit. So what it means is
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: that if you measure the Earth this way, like north
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: to south around and then east to west, it's going
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: to be slightly longer east to west. I think it's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's it's something like seventy or eight
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: forty miles. I think is the difference something like that.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the radius difference, but it's it's I think, yeah,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: radius or diameter might be thirty or forty miles difference.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: It's just this, it is this slight equatorial bulge. And
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: what it means is that you know, when you draw
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: latitude and longitude lines on the planet, and that latitude
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: being north south, longitude being east west. If you get
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: down to the equator, now obviously they you know, the
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: shapes of them change as you go up towards the poles,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: but the latitude lines are straight.
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  Speaker 3: So something I don't know how accurate it is. It
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: says it's accurate. That's Earth. That's about what water.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: That's nuts, rocky little bowl in it.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: Bro, that's crazy.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Some ofiz ices are deep. Yeah you think, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's cool. That's bananas. That almost looks exaggerated to me.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: That a little bit.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: The most accurate model of Earth shape, accounting not only
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: for its rotation but also for the distribution of the
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: masses inside the planet, taking the surface slightly uneven and
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: deviating from a perfect sphere. Unlike a school globe, which
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: depicts Earth as an ideal ball, the geoid resembles a
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: slightly flattened at the poles and bulging at the equator potato,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: with the height variations of to one hundred meters due
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: to the gravitational anomalies. The shape arises from the.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Centrifugal I was looking for there.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: It is of the Earth's rotation, which inflates the equator
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: by an additional twenty one kilometers compared to the polar diameter.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Interesting interestingly, the geoid is used in GPS navigation and
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: geode see geodesy to precisely measure elevations above sea levels
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: as oceans follow this uneven surface. Imagine if you shrank
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: the Earth to the size of a basketball, the geoid's
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: irregular irregularities would be smaller than the roughness of the
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: orange skin. Wow, of an orange skin, yet still impact
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: our daily lives.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's it must be a little exaggerated
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: because I think that that's clearly rougher than a orange
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: than the that's clearly thicker than the roughness of an
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: orange skin. But yes, yeah, that's an exact it gives
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: us an example. But so yeah, so we're a little
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: little bulgy around the middle, a little flatter on top.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: So when you get down to latitude and longitude at
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: the equator, right, so the at the equator, what if
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: you draw that cube one degree of of of latitude
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: one degree of longitude, it's not a perfect cube, Okay,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: So it's a little bit further east to west than
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: it is north to south. So if you cut that
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: down into like sixty seconds of latitude and longitude, it's
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: a smaller little square, but same proportions, you have the
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: same ratio and if you actually take the the Great Pyramid.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: So there's the thing to understand about the Great Pyramid
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: is that there's it sits on a sockle. I've talked
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: about this before, but so you know, we know because
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: we have casing stones. We have that fifty one degrees
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: fifty one minutes angle of these casing stones, so we
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: were able to really act and we have a few
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: of those still around the base from where they fell off,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: so from that we can determine the height. And we
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: also have this perimeter length using the casing stones pretty
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: very accurately this survey and now those casing stones. It
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: doesn't sit direct on the bedrock. The pyramid actually sits
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: on top of a fifty five centimeter sockle. So it's this,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: it's this little platform that sticks it sticks out about
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: this much and it's fifty five centimeters high and it
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: like sticks out. So you have the casing stones, you
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: have this little sockle that it sits on. So you
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: have these two methods of measuring the pyramid. You can
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: measure the perimeter length around the casing stones, or you
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: can measure the perimeter length around the socle circle slightly larger.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing is is if you get down
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: to one quarter of one second of latitude and longitude
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: at the equator, the longitude is exactly within an inch
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: or two the perimeter length of the socle and the
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: latitude the north south is the perimeter length of the pyramid.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: So it's encoding the geodetic shape of the Earth. The
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: ratio of latitude to longitude is encoded incredibly accurately in
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: these perimeter lengths on the pyramid. And it's that's just
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: it's just kind of mind bogg well. So this would
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: be this would be the skeptic reductionist answer to this
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: stuff is that you say, well, you're just playing with numbers.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, the but it's it's the numbers of
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: the none of those things. None of that you can
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: anyone can check that data for themselves, like they're forty
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: three thousand, two hundred to one ratio of the pyramid.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: The fact that that's the number of seconds in twelve
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: hours of the day, there's so many I mean this
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: this by the way, four to three to two turns
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: up all over the place. The Karli Jyugu said to
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: be forty three thousand, two hundred years old. The radius
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: of the Sun is four hundred and thirty two thousand miles.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: The king's list from the Sumerians is a total of
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: forty three thousand, two hundred No, four hundred and thirty
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: two thousand years, with one king reigning for forty three thousand,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: two hundred years. So this four three two is one
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: of those one of those sacred geometry numbers that keeps
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: turning up again and again. But what's always been fascinating
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: to me in the geodetic information in code in the
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: Great Pyramid is is like you have to understand the
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: shape and size of the Earth to get that ratio
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: so accurately embedded in that in that monument. And we
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: weren't able to do that basically until really recently with
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: satellite servers. But we certainly weren't able to measure longitude
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: even until like the turn of the eighteenth century, like
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: James Cook's Second Voyage of Discovery, we couldn't measure we
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: couldn't accurately figure out where we were on those on
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: those those east to west traverses, Like accurately reflecting longitude
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: in the Pyramid is a. It's astonishing. It's one of
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: those things that also relates to ancient maps having accurate
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: coastlines with longitude on them. But what seems clear is
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: that somebody at some point in the past had very
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: accurate knowledge not only of cosmic cycles, but also of
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: the shape and size of the Earth itself, like in
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: terms of they surveyed it, they understood its shape, they
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: understood the ratio of latitude to longitude on the planet,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: and it's all encoded in this monument. And it's just
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: kind of scratching the surface on what's in the you know,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: encoded in their Great Pyramid. But I mean, the numbers
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: are all there. You can you can add these up.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: Have you ever had a debate with anybody that thinks
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: that this is all coincidence and that you could take
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: these numbers and just kind of monkey around with them
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: and make any kind of equation you want, if you
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: just throw arbitrary distances between certain things. No, not not,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: because some people do believe that, right.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so I think I think there's a
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: difference between when you talk about numbers versus ratios like
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: it does. Once you get to ratios, then it doesn't
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: matter how you measure them, Like it's like the race.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter you measure them in mosquito dicks or
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: inches or whatever. Right, it's all sentem So ratios are
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: one thing. Numbers, There is a lot. I mean, the
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: whole system of measurement, how we measure time, the imperial
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: system of measurement, where the mile comes from, all of
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: that stuff does have these deep roots in sacred geometry
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: and basically cosmic. Then that's again, I think all pointing
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: towards a common system or a common set of knowledge
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: that came from. But I've not debated somebody about this.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know that you. I mean, you can't really
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: question the numbers. But there's some incredible, just I guess
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: coincidences that are in this whole system that do point
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: towards like I mean, they get really crazy. So here's
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: another one which I just this one just pickles my noodle.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: It's so you know, we know that I've said this before.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: I think that the sun is you know, the Moon's
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: four hundred times smaller than the sun, and it's the
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: Sun's four hundred times further away.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: So you get this.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: That's how we get total solar clips that's really nice.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: But there's also another sacred number encoded in their ratios
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: relative to their diameters and the distance from Earth. That's
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: the same between the Moon and the Sun, and that's
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: one hundred and eight. So if you take the diameter
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: of the Moon at whatever it is, twenty one sixty miles.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: By the way, twenty one sixty is also the length
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: of a great month in the processional cycle. That's one
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: twelfth of twenty five, nine hundred and twenty. But twenty
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: one sixty miles times one hundred and eight, that gives
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: you the more or less the distance between of the
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Moon to the Earth. So Moon's yeah, So it's a
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: the Moon's diameter times one hundred and eight gives you
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: the distance to the Earth. The Sun's diameter, which is
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: eighty six thousand, four hundred miles, which is the number
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: of seconds in a twenty four hour period, times that
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: by one hundred and eight, and you get that's the
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: distance of the Sun from the Earth. So it's like
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: that relationship between their diameter and their distance from the
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: Earth is exactly the same between the Sun and the Moon,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: and it's one hundred and eight that that ratio, so
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: it's the lunar lunar diameter over lunar distance equals solar
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: diameter over solar distance.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: And I mean, what a coincident, What a coincidence?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's one hundred and eight. And by the way,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: there are temples and plazers like Cambodia that have one
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: hundred and eight pillars, like one hundred and eight's and
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: another one of these sacred numbers that have been encoded
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: into the way we measure stuff, the way we count
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: for time. So this is this huge there's a huge
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: sort of rabbit hole of sacred geometry that and processional
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: numerology that seems to point to some point in the past,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: someone having all of this understanding to create these systems
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: and to measure things and to do so accurately, to
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: the point where the more accurate we get now measurements,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: the closer we get to these the ratios and data
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: reflected in these ancient structures. It's just and you can't
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: attribute that to these the cultures that were on those side,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: like the ancient Egyptians or the Greeks. It's like, where
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: did this information come from? And how come it's represented
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: in cultures from you know, the Norse mythology through you know,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: South American Native Indian myths to you know, these number
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: shipp again and again, as as was shown by by
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: Hamlet's mill, this book that basically this tome that put
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: that information together and said, well, this, all of it
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: seems to point to this, you know, this this origin
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: point of someone with this information, and it's just it's
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: one more of these contextual points when you combine it
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: with the human timeline and climate and cataclysm and the
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: endless other other contradictions in the megalithic architecture on these
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: sites and stuff like that, that makes this concept that
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: we've been advanced significantly advanced us or someone has and
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: they've we've they've left all these signs and signals and
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: breadcrumbs for us to try and follow to figure out.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: Whoa yeah, whoa.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: The pyramid is cool.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: It is as well. It is my favorite subject of
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: all time.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the last civilization subject, I think is my favorite
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: subject because it ties all of them together, you know
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: it in the mystery of the human origins.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all of it.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just I think it's I think it's plausible.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's probable even that that we've risen and
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: have been wiped out. I mean, I was just saying,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: I just spent five weeks in Peru. Again, I just
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: came back like ten days ago. And I mean that place,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: more than anywhere else, is both more mysterious and more
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: obvious that there was something else going on long time ago.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: More yeah, more of in the delta between these technological levels.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Like so in Egypt, you know, I don't you never
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: want to underestimate what the dynastic Egyptians were capable of.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: They had this long civilization of three hundred or sorry
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: three thousand years, and they did some incredible work, so
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: you know, they're really good stonework against the lines can
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: get a little blurred. I mean you still see the difference.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: But in Peru it's different, particularly in the sacred valley
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: places like tiw and Ku in Bolivia, but there you
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: have these very distinct lines, like in terms of technology
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: in the stone work and the layering of the stone
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: work in that place today, I mean typically mostly all
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: attributed to the Inca, but the Inca were really only
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: around for like maybe three hundred years maximum that the
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: Inca Empire was barely one hundred years before the Spanish
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: wiped them out in fifteen thirty three, and so it's
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: relatively young, right, it's a twelve hundred AD roughly to
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: fifteen thirty three, and they attribute most everything to the Inca.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: And it's just not you just look at it and go,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: this is not remote possible. It's it's there's a huge difference.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: You see these these three different layers of architecture. There's
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: a guy in Peru that has been researching this stuff
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: for fifty plus years, him and his father and Jesus Gamara,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: who has this classification system for the the architecture in Peru.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: So you have he calls them han and pacha or
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: and pacha ikun pacha, the three three levels.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: This has.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: These words have many meanings in Quetchua, but it starts
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: with like the oldest stuff seems to be this monolithic
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: carved really bizarrely carved mountains like rock bedrock. It's not
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: they're not blocks. It seems vastly ancient. There's all these
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: channels and massive structures and shapes carved into the living
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: rock of the mountain. It's just like the lowest level
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: usually shows the most erosion. Then you have the megalithic
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: stuff like Saxe Wa Man you've seen pictures of that.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: You know Saxe one and the core of muchI picture
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: Ye Tamba. These, I know, the streets of Cusco, these
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: huge megalithic blocks that are all got these perfect joins
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: between them. You can't fit to raise the blade in
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: between them. They're flowing. They're mortalist walls there. They're incredible.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: It's one of the best, most amazing parts of the
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: Sacred Valley is the proliferation of this sort of megalithic work.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: But then on top of that you have the inco work,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: the econ Putcha. It's literally cobblestones that are put together
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: with mud mortar. It's like local rock and they've stuck
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: it together. And so you have this, you have these
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: very distinct layers. I have pictures of this stuff Jamie
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: and the South America directory on there. But it's it's
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: super clear, like there's no blending, like it's it's like
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: boom okay, here's here's the oldest layer, here's the next layer,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: here's the InKo. And it's always in that order, like
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: it's always like hunt and patch on the bottom. Then
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: the megalithic stuff on top, and then the Inca work
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: on top of that because they were repairing stuff. So
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: even the Inca never talked about them making sites like
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: saxe Joama. They have all these other stories for it,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: like the you know, the giants built it as one
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: of the explanations you work. Yeah, is a great examsmple.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: So it's this is the antipunk of the sun Gate.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: So you see the difference, and you see that clear
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: distinction in the architecture. You have the megalithic stuff and
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: then you have the repair work on top, the cobblestone work,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: and there's just this is all I Once you see this,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: you can't really unsee it. As you go all over
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: the Sacred Valley and some of these, some of these
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: this is small compared to the type of stuff you
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: see in saxey jua Man, where some of the blocks
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: get up towards two hundred tons one hundred and fifty
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: plus tons and all of the same type of stone. Yeah,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: this is Ti and Arku. And so you know there's
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: this long history of unknown. So in Egypt you have
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: this connection, a cultural connection. You know, they have their
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: kings list, they have they talk about Zep Teppe. They
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: clearly have this connection to whatever builder culture was there.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: They talk about it, that mean it's part of their
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: origin stories. But in South America you have something else happened,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: Like there's a big gap, like you don't have the Inca,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: don't have that that precursor culture. They came from the South.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: They talk their origin story comes from Lake Titty Kaka
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: up into the Sacred Valley and then they took over.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: There are a couple of precursor cultures to the Inca,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: but there's this huge it's like, we just don't know
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: what happened. You know, there are other sites in Peru
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: and Graham Hancock's been out there recently. I was out
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: there just recently too. There are pyramid sites in Peru
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: that are five thousand years old, places like Keral there.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: They're not sophisticated. It's incredible work in terms of the
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: amount of stone that's been used, but it's not you know,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: it's not megalithic or precise. But there are pyramid cultures
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: that stretch back at least five thousand years. But in
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: terms of the real megalithic precision work and set of it,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: we have no clue who did that. In fact, there's
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: probably the strangest site. One of my favorites is Puma
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Punku Tea on Arka. You heard of this place in Bolivia.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: It's tough to get to. It's amazing. It's up up
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: in the up on the high altaplano, like twelve and
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: a half thousand feet above level. It's like nothing else
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: on the planet. The stonework there is massive, it's precise,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: it's playful. There are just endless ninety degree turns, perfectly
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: polished surfaces like saw marks, cut marks.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: It's it's some of this.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a Tiwanaku directory there, Jamie. And then
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: and it's it's it's quite well preserved because it was
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: buried in mud. It's been it's slowly been excavated, and
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: it's there's there is a lot of evidence that suggests
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: this place is at least ten to twelve thousand years old.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Again using yeah, endless like this sort of andesite work.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: See it's the left turn err for some reason. But
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: it's this playful nature if you like. The h blocks
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: are famous at this place, but they just have these
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: endless little insets and dirts like stuff like this, Like
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: this is one of my favorite blocks to show people
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: that is are looking down on top, so the grounds
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: down So I'm looking down this this thin channel that's
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: been cut into this block, and it has all of
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: these little drill holes in it little and these are
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: like tiny little drill holes, and this channels is about
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: this wide and it's cut into this block. You have
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: several blocks with features like this, like it's clearly something's
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: been attached to this, like it's how how do you
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: cut this in stone? And this is, you know, thousands
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: of years old, but it's it's a remarkable site full
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: of these sort of examples, and it's attributed in general
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: to a culture that lived there around eleven hundred ADS.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: He's still they're still digging stuff out of the ground.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: It was it was destroyed in a cataclysm, or it
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: could just some sort of massive mud flood. I think
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: was the end of this civilization. However, as me and Graham,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: and this is at twelve thousand feet or twelve and
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: a half yea, so what would be the reason.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: For establishing a civilization at twelve thousand feet?
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: It gets strange because there's so the modern the modern
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: dating for it comes from a handful of carbon dates, right,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: they found some carbon dates and they go, okay, eleven
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: hundred eighty. But they've also found carbon dates that go
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: back to fifteen hundred BC, and they just dismissed them
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: as being unreliable. I literally think the only these carbon
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: dates could literally be the last person someone lit a
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: campfire there or was buried there. There's a guy named
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: Arthur Posnanski who's a Polish professor that lived. He spent
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: fifty years on this site. Died in Lapaz, published his
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: works nineteen forty five. I have a copy of his books,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: The Cradle of American Man. It's called He spent fifty
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: years investigating this site. He dated it at fifteen thousand
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: BC based on a whole range of others like geological data,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: astro archaeological dating, which is it has these alignment properties.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: We can talk about it, you know. He found discull
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: of a toxidon there. With Toxidon is an extinct Pleisto
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: scene era of mammal that went out with the young
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: In the Younger Driest thirteen thousand BC. There seems to
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: be depictions of sabertooth tigers and smilodons in some of
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: the artwork there, so you have some p they all say,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: they say they're all pumas, but some of them have
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: small canines, some of them have really big canines. I mean,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: why is there a difference here? He dates it culturally
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: in terms of it being the origin point for not
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: only other cultures in South America, but also Central and
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: North America. Through the symbology that chakanas, the ink and cross,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: there's all these other feature So he used a whole
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: raft of scientific techniques to date that site and to
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: support his conclusion that it was vastly ancient. And then
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: that's kind of all been thrown aside because they found
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: a few carbon remains that were at the eleven hundred
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: day d mark. Why would you build a civilization there
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: at that altitude. You wouldn't. You just wouldn't. It's too hard.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: It's above the tree line, there's no natural trees. And
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: this is where it gets wacky, because today tim and
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: Aga was a port, like they admit like this, even
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: the archaeologists they talk about Puma Punku. It's like a port.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: There was something industrial happening there the stone. If you
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: look at Posnanski's original images with the there's all sorts
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: of interlocking bits of stone and sluice gates and hydrodynamic features.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: On this place is a giant step pyramid that had
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: this reservoir in the it's crazy, but they tell you
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: it's a port. And there was a port on Lake Tittykaka,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: which today is about ten miles away. The shoreline is
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: about ten miles away. HS Bellamy in the eighteen hundreds
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: discovered a strand line that runs basically through where Tiwanoku was.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: So strand line is like, you know, basically the shoreline
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: of an ancient water body of water, and it can
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: be formed through just gentle wave action over a long
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: period of time. It can be formed from like a
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: high intensity period of waves, you know, something hammering a shoreline.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: But he measured this. He found this shoreline that runs
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: about four hundred miles, so it's like across the Alta
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: Plano from Silistani in the north way down south towards Lpaz.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: But he documented this strand line. What's really weird. And
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: at that strand line, Tijuanaco would have been at the
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: shores of Lake Titdica would have been a small island
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: or a peninsula. The lake level would have been right
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: there when it was, and would that fits it being
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: a port. However, the Strand line is today, it's tilted.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: The Strand line is tilted. So obviously water when it makes,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: you know, a body of water, when it makes a
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: Strand line, it's flat like it's it finds its level.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: But only geological processes, and I assume over a fair
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: amount of time, can give it this tilt of a
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: couple of degrees, which is what they measured. There's no
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: doubt there is a Strand line, but it's tilted. So
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: I question whether in the period that they say Tiwanaku
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: was built eleven hundred AD, less than a thousand years
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: between then and now, that there's been enough geological upheaval
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: in the Andes to tilt this Strand line a couple
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: of degrees. I don't think it can happen anything like
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: that fast. I think I think this Strand line and
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: the evidence that it was a port shows us that
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: this city was in fact vastly more ancient than that,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: and that it was destroyed by by cataclysm, by flooding
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: from the melting of the glaciers in the Andes. There's
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: been there's strong evidence there that it's seen. We may
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: have seen multiple cycles of glaciers and the climate would
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: have been different during this period, like the climate change
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: to make it this arid, sort of inhospitable place that
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: it is today, like where it's just tough to exist
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: at twelve and a half thousand feet above the tree line,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: where hardly anything except like fruod varieties of potato grow.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: They must have had better climate or I don't know,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: lower altitude, but a better climate at least I don't
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: think so. I mean, it's how you're talking millions of
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: years for that, Like because Lake titty Kaka, I mean
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: that was like it is seawater, like it's not today.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: It has like unique species in it, like there's a
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: native seahorse. It's the only it's brackish water. So it
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: was originally part of the ocean that was uplifted, and
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: it's been uplifted twelve and a half thousand feet. But
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: this is millions and millions of years and it's today
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: fed by these glaciers, So it's slightly it's it's brackish.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: It's like it's it's a combination of sultan and and
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: fresh water. But it has these species that can only
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: have come from the ocean. But this is like long
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: geological processes, so I think it's more likely that there
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: was just a different like like sub climate or like
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: a mini a climate zone in that area that must
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: have supported that life because the place is massive. It's
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: it's it's the site where you go is only the
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: barest fraction of what is actually there under the ground.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: They've done scans, They've found entire buried step pyramids.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: At this site.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: The farmers in all the fields around it, they ran into,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: you know, these big blocks occasionally and like god damn,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: the ruined the tractory in and it's a big and
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: side block from tier and arc whoa, yeah, yeah, so
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: it's and it's it's a super mystery, and it's.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: It's also the place where there's trade actor pra those
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: trade actor mummies.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: Are right, so NASCAR, right, a lot of a lot
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: of that comes from South America, That's right. And there's
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: that gets real weird.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: It doesn't take all those things in consideration. Yeah, things
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: a real weird.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's also this evidence for technology and
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: alignments there. I mean, this is one of the things
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: Posnansky based is dating on, was this was this structure
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: there called the Callusasaia. There's a there's a big step
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: pyramid there called the Akapana. Then there's this callous Asia,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: which is big rectangular mass. They called it the Stonehenge
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: of the Americas originally because it was just these giant
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: stones that formed this big rectangular structure. Today it's been
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: really they've left the big stones there, but they've kind
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: of filled in the gaps and they've built the walls
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: and stuff again. And what Posnansky found was that it
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: is a extremely accurate solar observatory, kind of like a
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: mean similar to stone engine in some ways. But if
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: you stood in the center of the west wall and
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: you looked east, so there's big rectange.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: We have an image of this.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go to twin ARKI it's kind of
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: like an overlook. If you bring them all up, I
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: can show you, or you can type in tewin archy
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: probably find pictures of it callussaia k A l A
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: s A Y s A something like that. But it's
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: it's there's like it's imagine a big rectangular, huge rectangular
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: that's yeah, so that's it there. So actually it's like
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: there's an inner structure there, but this is. So see
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: how they're standing stones. Those are the original stones. So
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: it actually goes all the way around and all that
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: farst side, so it has an internal structure as well.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: Interesting, so that the larger stones in the original okay,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: and they actually built the smaller wall lead that's all
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: modern modern as far as.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: The last fifty years. Oh yeah, they reconstructed it. If
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: you go back to Posnanski's original excavations from the early
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds, all you see is the big standing stones.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: It's been quarried. Like this is another one of those
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: places where literally like the core of Lopaz is made
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: from stones from tumanarchy, Like it's the whole town that's here.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: There's a massive church that's been built, there's they made,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: they made mine and sewer systems. It was just like
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: the most convenient source of stuff. And in tim and
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Arqua in particular, like they're very square, like it's really linear,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: beautiful blocks of and it's a perfect building material. Why
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you just take it and build cities? So they
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: were right up until the thirties, they were just wagon
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: loads and wagon loads and wagon lift stone every day
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: every day. So that place has been used as a quarry,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: for you have to similar to a lot of places
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: in the Egypt for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: And but it's so so what you're looking at is
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: you've got to use your imagination to look at the
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: older pictures to even then even then it's barely a
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: fraction I think of what's actually there under the ground.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: But what's interesting is Posnanski figured out that if you
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: stand in the middle of that of the west wall,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: like so looking this way, and if you looked at
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: the corner pillars on the east wall, it showed you
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: the sun on the on the solstices would rise exactly
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: on the outside corners of these pillars. Now this this
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: is if you it looks like that to the eye,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: but if you measure it with precision instruments, you find
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: it's about eighteen minutes off now. And so when it
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: was a line, so it's similar to that the sphinx,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: and like when was it lined up with Leo? So
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: when when was this structure lined up exactly on the solstices?
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: And so that the motion of the Earth that would
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: affect that is called the change in the obliquity of
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: the ecliptic. It's another one of the Malenkovich cycles. So
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: you have we talked about procession of the equinoxes, which
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: is the wobble. So then you also have this tilt,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: like this change in the tilt of the Earth. So
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: the actual tilt goes back and forth, I think between
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: twenty two and twenty five degrees something like that. But
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: it's a forty one thousand year cycle, and it's basically
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: the change in the axis of the Earth relative to
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: the equator of the Sun or the ecliptic plane. So
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: this you know, if you project out the equator of
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: the Sun where the planets are orbiting, it's the change
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: in the Earth's tilt relative to that plane, change the
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: obliquity of the ecliptic, and so on that cycle. It's
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: a forty one thousand year cycle. Turns out that he
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: dated it using the star charts of the time at
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: around fifteen thousand BC. Now his work was validated in
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: the early two thousands by the Bolivian This is a
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: funny story. Bolivian head of archaeology in Bolivia and these
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: astronomers that went there and said, let's check Posnanski's work
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: using the astronomical almanac more up to date information, and
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: they said, yes, indeed he was correct, Like, if you
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: assume this was an alignment, an alignment thing, this would
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: have lined up right on basically twelve thousand years ago,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: thirteen thousand years ago, ten thousand BC or plus forty
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: one thousand years I guess for the cycle. So and
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: the guy Gestava had forgotten his name, dammit. But the
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: guy who was in charge of the Bolivian Department of
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: Archaeology at the time, once he made that announcement lost
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: his job. And I don't think it's ever been talking
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: of since. Like, yes, the official dates for Timuinako haven't changed. However,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: these guys also figured out that if you spun it
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: around and you looked from it's also a line to
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: the sunsets on those solstices. So if you go on
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: the west wall and sorry you go on the east
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: wall and look west, it also perfectly alignes with the sunsets.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: You also get the solstices in the center, so you
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: know solstices being so equinoxes in the center solstices being
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: the shortest and longest day of the year, where the
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: sun's furthest north and further south, and then equinoxes in
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: the middle, so it's perfectly aligned with that, but just
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: off kilter a little bit because of that motion of
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: the Earth, the change in the obliquity of the ecliptic.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: So it's it's not an accident put it that way.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: It's it's not just a coincidence that it's that it's
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: aligned this way.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: It was. It was set up that way to.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: Be a solar observatory.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: And if you look at it with an open mind,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: it's an insane deep yeah it is.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: I mean it's even within this cycle of ten thousand BC.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: I mean that's the younger dryest period like this is,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: you know, this is and it's a significant marker for
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: South America because I can tell you the Younger Drice
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: had a tremendous impact on South America. Something like seventy
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: five percent of the megaformal species in South America when extinct.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: Although you are up in the Andes, they may have
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: been more protected from the full extent, who knows, though
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: fires and smoke, they would have had the you know,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: the blackening of the skies and all the rest of
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: it that would have happened during that Younger Drice extinction event.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: But yeah, something happened. I mean they again, there's been
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: I think there's been a cycle of glaciation and deglaciation
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: in the Andes that's affected the lake and a lot
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: of the stuff up there in particular, just because we
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: know that there are structures. Get this, there are structures
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: beneath the waters of Lake Tittikaka today made from red
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: sandstone that match kind of the oldest layers at Tiwanaku.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: So they might have been made beneath beneath the water.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: So the lake level must have been lower, and then
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: the likely and then something happened where a lot of
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: water got added.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: And then temple found on Lake Tittycoca. And this is
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: in two thousand stone anchor what is that word? A
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: add en amenal six hundred and sixty foot long animal
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: and animal space.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: Oh stone anchor and animal bones were found amongst are
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: artifacts scientists Wednesday. Others Wednesday said it's connected to Wednesday
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: said they had found beneath South America's Lake Tittycocca. In
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: what There's something wrong with this translation because all these
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: words are jammed together.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: Even where it says Tittycocca, then science is no space.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: My old website. Yeah, but that seems weird, like it's
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: like re coded or something. Right.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: After eighteen days of diving below the clear waters of Tittycocca,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: scientists said Tuesday they have discovered a sixty six six
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty foot long one hundred and sixty foot
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: wide temple terrace for crops pre inking road in a
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: two thousand and six hundred foot containing wall.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: Holy shit.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I strongly support the hypothesis that was found by
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: the What does that work.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: At tat uh Atahalupa something like that. It's a clearly
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: a peruving.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: Wood Talupa two thousand expedition. Are the ruins of a
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: submerged pre Columbian temple? Said at Wardo Perea, Bolivian scientist
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: who was among those explored the site, around ninety miles
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: northeast of the Bolivian capital of La Pause.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's stuff underneath the water.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: It says it's filmed the film that can we see
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: what that looks like? Try to find it.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 5: I just thought this was easier because I couldn't find
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 5: a good video. Oh it's got to yeah, I'm sure
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 5: it exists somewhere right, Yeah.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, so I said, might have a two
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars in a water sixty five to one hundred
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: feet deep. I'd love to know exactly how deep? Does
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: you say how deep it was, because I mean, that's
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: a significant change in the level of the lake. So yeah,
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: like t d Kaka is twelve thousand and four four
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: feet above the level that is ben we went and
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: stayed out on an island on the lake with no electricity.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: The sky at night was absolutely phenomenal if.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: You were a gambler. How old do you think that is?
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would put it at least I'd say at
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: least in that twelve to fifteen thousand years, if not
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: significantly older. I think I don't know that there were
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: periods of time in that lake where that level was
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: that low. It's what's crazy is that there's been a variance,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: like there's structures beneath the current lake level, so the
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: water was lower. And then we know from the strand
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: line that the water was, God, what is it? I
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: think forty meters almost higher than what it is now
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: when it would have been at the shores of Tiwanaku.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: It's indicating a long time period of change.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, and the tilted strand line. So if you were
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: talking about tiwan Arka, if I was a gambler, I
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: would put it at tens of thousands of years. I
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: don't think. I don't even my as this is speculation.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think it fits even within the ten to
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: twelve thousand years. Think think it's got to be tens,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: like multiple tens of thousands of years for that to be.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: To be where it is.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: And in fact, when I was there, literally like two
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: weeks ago, we made some observations that I hadn't made there,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: but I'd spend a bunch of time at Timanaku over
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: the years. But we figured out that those big pillars
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: of that callous socie we thought they were and the granite,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: the ones on one side, they're actually granited, and they're
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: very heavily eroded, like like again you have that big
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: scoop out of it. You can see at the bottom
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: where they were buried, but there's this huge amount of erosion.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: And I just and granite erodes way more slowly than
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: things like limestone. So it's just I think the erosional
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: data there needs to be studied because I don't know
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: how long it would take even in that environment which
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: gets more rainfall than placed like is it can rain
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: quite a bit, you get these storms, but I think
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: it's takes a long time to erode granite that far.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: And the stuff that's been exposed and above, you know,
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: the mud and when there was clearly some sort of
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: big mud flood that came in that knocked this stuff down,
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: the stuff that has been faced down or buried in
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: the mud has been quite well preserved and protected.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: But was this the film?
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: There's like one minute of under that's incorag whatever that is.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: It looks inco archeology, yeah, gold inconfiguring. Well, the inca
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: were definitely there in the lake. There's the island of
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: the Sun, island of the Moon that's inca. Well, you
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: should see it makes it reminds me of like the
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: You should have seen some of the pottery they make
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: Roight like they was we were making I was making
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: photoshops of my friends with it. There's it's literally like
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: dick and balls and like all this pottery. It's they
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: have this whole erotic section of the Laco Museum and
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's always good for little giggle, But so is.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: It safe to see that lass exploration has been done
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: at this same Yes, for.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: Sure, it's still being slowly excavated. But yeah, this isn't.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the wheels are grinding slowly. They're slowly
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: trying to renovate. They're trying to encourage tourism, but there's not.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: There's so much of that site that needs to be
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: dug up.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: It hasn't had anything like the attention in Egypt.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: Is it a same sort of pushback against dating? Sure,
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: one guy, but it's the same everywhere.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So it's like a human characteristic of people
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: that are in control.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: Of a narrative. Well, it's tough to explain. There's just
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: that they don't want to deal with this possibility of
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: a culture down there that's that old. I think it
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: upsets too many other applicats. So I feel like it's been,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: it's been. It's it's kind of been. Well we found
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: these carbon dates. This fits kind of the timeline of
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: what the INCA said to because the INCA talk about
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: emerging from Lake titty Kaka and going north, being pushed
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: out by the Amhara people. And if you think they're okay,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: the INCA arrived in the Sacred Valley from the south
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  Speaker 2: around twelve hundred between eleven hundred and twelve hundred a D.
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  Speaker 2: So therefore they might have been at Tiwanarku at eleven
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  Speaker 2: hundred a d. So that's it's kind of fits that timeline,
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  Speaker 2: but doesn't mean anything like the Inca could have been
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  Speaker 2: down that the ti and Arka could have been there forever.
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  Speaker 2: I think the inc of sure, that's the timeline for
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: that civilization, but.
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  Speaker 1: Its we've established everywhere you see people put a civilization
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  Speaker 1: on top of an order.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's year one hundred percent. The Inca were like
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  Speaker 2: very respectful. This is the other thing about the architecture
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: in that part of the world. The layers are very
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: respect Other than the Spanish, they smashed it a lot,
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: but the Inca were very respectful and trying. They tried
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: to rebuild, even like where they could rebuild megalithic structures,
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: they would. Here's a great example they and I also
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: think a great example of why why that is not
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  Speaker 2: possible that the Inca did all of this, because it's
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: in such a short period of time. Again, their civilization
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: lasted barely a couple hundred years, and there's so much
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: of it of this stonework and it's just complete night
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: and day difference. But so in Cusco there were like
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: thirteen high incres, these these kings of the Inca empire,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: like the high incre the big, big dude, and he
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: had his court with his advisers. They called him a
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: panaka and they and it was a hereditary thing. So
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: the son would inherit and he'd make his own panakes people.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: He'd also have his own palace. You couldn't live like
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: the son couldn't live in the house of the father.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: So they would build another spot in Cousco. In this city.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: This Cusco's crazy city. It's like megalithic Inca, colonial, Spanish, modern,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: all piled up on each other. It's amazing city. But
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: if you actually look at where these these courts were,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: like starting with Marco Kappak, the first sort of high
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: Inco around twelve hundred AD, you have the first seven
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: or eight of these high Inca. When they would build
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: their structures in their palace, they would rebuild like a
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: megalithic courtyard. It'd be these big massive stones, or they'd
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: inhabit and they'd repair it. They'd have these huge, big
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: megalithic courtyards. But as soon as they as soon as
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: they switched from I think the eighth to the ninth
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: or the seventh to the eighth, it's all small cobblestones.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: It's just all of their courtyards, like their palaces, were
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: made from you know, small local stones stuck together with
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: mud mortar. It's like, well, hang on, are you're saying
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: that if you say that that the Inca built all
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: of this stone, then all of a sudden you're saying, well,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: between one generation and the next, you lost all of
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: this capability to do the fancy stuff, the big stuff,
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: which doesn't make any sense. It's much more likely what
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: they did was they found an abandoned, ruined megalithic city,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: they rebuilt it, and they ran out of megalithic courtyards
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: to renovate for their next king. That's what happened. Like that,
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: So the first bunch of these high inkers have these
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: megalithic courtyards, and then the next right up to the end,
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: they're just made from small local cobblestones, just like were
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: theyes not special enough for the big special stone work,
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: or it's just it's you can't imagine within such a
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: small couple couple centuries that they lose all that capability.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: It's just not none of it makes sense. The only
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: thing that makes sense when you look at that architecture
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: down there is yeah, they were rebuilding older stone work,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: they were repairing it, they were butting their stuff back
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: on top of it. I mean, I had there's so
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: many amazing Allante Tambo is one of my favorite sites
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: down there, just because it's so obviously there's these giant,
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: eighty ninety ton granite blocks that make up this structure
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: and it's fallen apart, and then like they've tried to
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: move these things, and in between them, they've just stacked
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: all these little, local, crappy little stones in between. I
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: have the Illenti Tambo directory, tons of pictures and in
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: fact that's that's a whole other interesting story because that
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: place is another example of what you see a lot
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: of in Egypt, which is this phenomenon of just something
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: happened and they went tools down. We're not finished when
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: like we're in the process of doing stuff and just
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: drop work, leave, whatever happens, cataclysm, social clubs, something happened.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: Because we know a lot about Oriente Tambo, it's at
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: the top of a mountain in the Sacred Valley. Yes,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: this great example of the rocks on top of this stuff. Yeah,
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: but there's a great little drone video actually, one of
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: those video. One of the videos in there is a
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: drone shot from the top of this. It's at the
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: top of the steep mountain. They built this structure, no
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: go back one that's at the quarry. So I'm standing
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: on one of the stones. So yeah, that's it there.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: And at the top of this are these giant eighty
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: ton granite blocks that make up this central where they
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: call it a sun temple, and we know where those
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: come from. It's like, if you imagine this giant mountain,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: there's a big old valley to the left of it,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: and then another giant mountain, and at the top of
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: that other giant mountain is the quarry for this granite.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: It's about for five six miles as the crow flies,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: but it's probably like ten or twelve to walk it.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: And I've walked it. We've climbed up to that quarry
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: and all the way along this path they would have
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: called these tired stones, which are giant blocks of granite.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: They just they dropped, they just left them there they
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: called the tide stones. Yeah, and in fact, if you've
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: seen in the very bottom left here, there's a road
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: that they built. And if you look at some of
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: these other images, I'm standing on some of these rocks. Actually,
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: this one, this is one of the examples. They had
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: to build the road around it, the modern road around it,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: and this block when you pace it out measure it,
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: it's probably not less than ninety tons of granite. And
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: I mean we couldn't. I mean shit, the equipment to
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: try and move this on this would destroy this road
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: to try and lift this. But these there's dozens, there's
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: like a dozen or more of these things all the
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: way up to the quarry at Oriente Tambo. But it's
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: just again it's very obvious that the InCor rebuilt this,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: but something happened here where they went tools. Yeah, these
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: are the big eighty ton blocks in the center of it.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: And yow, this is one of the examples I love
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: to show people. It's like, okay, you're telling me the
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: same people did all of the stonework, the stuff in
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: the middle, and like this little filler work in here.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if we weren't attached to a timeline, it would
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: be way more likely that what you're saying is correct,
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: especially when you're looking at it like this. Look at
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: the massive stones and the weather cut and then what's
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: above them. Yeah yeah, wyeah old stuff, man, it really
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: is stuff in what.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: Happened and the evidence of the mud. That's the other
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 3: thing for sure.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: At Tea and yes, there was there was a huge
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: and something happening, like a cataclysm happening. Look at these blocks,
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: these big blocks are scattered around. Something knocked this structure
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: over and these are huge blocks of stone.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 3: What what had happened to cause that?
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: That's a good example of the hunt and patch of
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: the carved bedrock. You see a lot of this crazy stuff.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: In fact, there's also tool marks here, like in one
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: of the big hunting patcha if you looked, there's like
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: a cross, there's like a grid of cuts in one
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: of these pictures.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: Here, Jamie, that one's nuts because go back look at that.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: That one's nuts because it was removed. Right.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: So people often say, well, this hunting patcha is a quarry,
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: and like, really do you take that's not a Usually
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: I like this as many examples like this where this
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: isn't a quarry. How do you make the back If
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: you're trying to take a block of stone out, how
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: you make it a back cut?
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: You can't. You have to.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: It's it's like a box. You have to cut it
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: out deliberately shaped, and that that block is not.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: I think it was.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: I think we think we were talking a lot about this.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: Most likely it was meant to house something, either other
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: stone or something else was going on here. This is
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: stuff that's since been removed, and in fact, in one
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: of these pictures there's like a semi circle with all
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: these cut gridlines in them. These are more lazy tied
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: stones out in the fields. You go marching around in
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: these corn fields and you find them all over the place.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: Down here. It's great, that's so strange.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: It's a very this is the thing.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: So if you zoom in on that, so this is
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: up the hill and it's these are cut marks. There's
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: like a grid pattern that's been cut into the stone.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know how with what, but you actually you
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: can't see this from the ground. And we were super
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: lucky and that there was a huge festival going on
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: in the town and all the guards were at the festival,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: so they'd never let you get up here. Otherwise we
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: climbed up this halfway up in this mountain to get
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: a picture of those cut lines, which is again not
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: attributable to the very basic tools that the inker had
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: right barely in the bronze age.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: This is nuts.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is that drone footage. Also because the guards
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: weren't there, they would have gone nuts for cordistroting.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 3: But oh really, they don't like your droning. N No,
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: I can't do this.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: Why are so many restrictions. I mean, wouldn't this all this,
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: especially from someone like you, wouldn't all this encourage tourism.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: I think you'd think so, But it's not the case.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: In fact, they're getting worse unfortunately in parts of prove
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: just in terms of the ropes and the restricted areas.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: You can't go to much. You pitch you Unfortunately, you
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: can't get to the hit the famous hitching post of
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: the Sun, or the central central megalithic area.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: Just looking at this drone footage, just such a clear
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: difference between the original stone that's below, yeah, and then
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: the stuff that the more modern people built above it.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: There's such a difference in the way the stone is constructed.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, stuff man, it's night and day. So there's a
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: way I like about so that once you see it
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: in South America, it's very clear because you just you know,
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: again in Egypt, you just had a longer ancient civilization
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: that were able to develop higher capabilities than say the
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: Inca did. In fact, the quarry for this stone is
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: way on that other mountain across the valley at the top.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: You can't quite see it, but it's it's they hold
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: these big blocks along like over very difficult terrain. At Hogh.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: This is still ten thousand feet.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: What is the largest of these stones?
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: It'd be one hundred tons at least. I mean it's
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: saxe one man, and you're closer to two hundred tons.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: I think at tiwan Arku, the biggest sandstone block I
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: might be rise to something like almost three four hundred
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: something like that, three hundred maybe and a big red
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: sandstone block.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: Are those those cross marks? Is that the etchings to
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: the stone. Is that the only evidence of tool marks?
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: Now we've seen others, particularly in tiwan Arku. I mean
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: this is actually up at the quarry. So this is yeah,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: this is up at the up that other mountain. We
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: hiked up and I can't imagine trying to carry a
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: ton of rocks up here. This was hard enough. But yes,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: so in tiwan Arku you certainly see a lot more
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: evidence for tool marks. In South America, you have tubula drills,
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: You have all sorts of kind of crazy what look
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: like tool marks and functional aspects of stone. In particular
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: place like the Curry Cancer, which is the big central
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: structure in Cusco. It was this today it's a Catholic church,
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: but it's it's megalithic, and the inside walls have all mean,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: some of the blocks have been put out and are
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: on display, and there's a lot of the inside structures
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: that are still there. Yeah, there's there are similar sort
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: of tube drills that have been cut. There is a
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: lot of similarities to some of the tool the tools
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: that you see in megalithic Egypt. So there's I think
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: it's an offshoot. I mean, if I was to bet,
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: I would say it's either the same or an offshoot
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: of the same civilization that did the megalithic stuff in
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: the other parts of the world. For sure, Like it's
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: just the megalithic work itself.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: It's just like there's skyscrapers in Tokyo boom. That's it.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like you know, these reductionists and the
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: skeptics will say, well, it's it's it's they're solving this,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like trying a guy that you want
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: to kill an animal, you make a flint arrowhead or whatever. Right,
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: And I can understand that process where you are solving
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: a problem and getting at it the same way. However,
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: when it comes to walls like stone walls, I'm very
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: skeptical that two completely separate cultures found the most difficult,
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: the most complex, the hardest way to make a stone
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: wall and chose that because that's what megalithic walls are,
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: like these giant blocks that are perfectly shaped together. That's
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: the thing man in Cusco and in these streets when
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: you look at some of them have been shaken apart
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: from earthquakes, so you can see the complex. Like the
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: curve not only is other, not only does the line
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: it's not straight, So the lines curve where they join
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: the face angles change, so it's changes this way, but
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: also the face angle changes and they perfectly match. Just
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: it's mind boggling to understand how they might have actually
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: put those stones together This is why it does lead
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: people to the geopolymer ideas or stone softening. My buddy
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: Kyle Brothers of the Serpent podcast, who travels with this,
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: he has a great idea that it might have been
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: a resonance thing where you're actually resonating and grinding stones
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: together slowly so that once you know you basically they'll
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: match eventually if you're just like grinding. There are Jeweler's
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: tools like that do similar things. You can cut through
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: you know, they do it on real small stones, but
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: you can cut through grantite with a star shape or
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: whatever with these Jeweler's tools that get to the right
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: resonant frequency and they just sort of grind through like
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: an ultrasonic drill or something that cuts and just vibrates
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: its way through. If you turn it off while it's
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: in there, it's like Excalibur, right, it's stuck in the
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: stone real tight. You have to have this, but you know,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: obviously you talk in some advanced technological capability to be
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: able to vibrate a fifty ton stone to make it
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: grind into its neighbor. But it's about the most plausible
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: thing I've heard, because I can't imagine that this was
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: done by we lifted up, we measure it, we mark
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: the high spots, we rub it down, we take you know,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: we put it back up. And it's just saying this
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: for stones that are one hundred and fifty tons. This
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: is not it's not happening.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, let's pull up some images of what you're
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: talking about. These very bizarre sheapes that they're perfectly massed
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: to fit into each other like a jigsaw puzzle.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: I think in the South America director that Jamie, there
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: will be some walls, some of the walls in the streets.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: The speculation is that they did it in these shapes
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: to protect against earthquakes.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: One of them, that's the Curry Cancher. Keep going, there's
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: the wavy lines.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this stuff right, yeah, this stuff.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: This is like the Incorroka wall. And there's probably some
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: pictures of the broken sections where you can see these
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: inside joins. That's saxe one man. So it's the same thing,
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: just a much bigger scale. Weird, Yeah, some weird bizarre stuff.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: The weird stuff go back to the curby. What's the
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: curvy ones back.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: The way, yeah, that one green one, that one.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's nuts man. What are the nubs.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, No one knows, right, well, we talked
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: about the nubs endlessly. Yeah, people all sorts of speculation,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: like people have geob polemer explanations for them. People have
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: You know a lot of people try to say they're
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: lifting bosses and that's not how that this. They would
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: flip over. They're not in the right place. One thing's
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: for certain, I think with the nubs.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 3: That is an.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: Observation a friend of ours, Chuck, a geologist, made which
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: is that if you look at how stone is quarried. Right,
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: So one of the common methods still used to some
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: extent today, but certainly these attributed to cultures like this
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: and the Egyptians, is what they call a wedge and
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: feather quarrying. Right. You cut these little wedges out and
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: then you hammer in either you know, wood web it
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: and tries to you're trying to split stone basically tin,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: and they still do it today. One thing you'll never
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: be left with in a splitting or a wedge and
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: feather approach is a nub. Like you can imagine. You
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: can't imagine these stone faces splitting and leaving these bloody
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: nubs that are on all of these walls, so they're formed.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: If they're formed, either deliberately formed or their result of
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: some other process, we don't know. But they're not the
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: result of this sort of primitive quarrying method. They I
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: don't know where they are, but they're on everything. And
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: that's another.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 3: It's another that they leave them there as well.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: They're in Egypt too, like they're on the men Like
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: if you compare that wall to like the third Pyramid,
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: the Mencara Pyramid, it's exactly the same. I mean, it
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: looks exactly the same, the pillowy appearance on the aard
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: not like unfinished an image of that Mencara pyramid. Yeah,
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: the granite.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: It's just it's so weird because they're they're not in
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 3: a uniform position either.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: No, And and you know there's you find examples there's
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: been surface where on a lot of this stone, there
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: was there's plenty of examples where it was very finely
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: like reflective and polished originally. So there's been spawling on
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: the surface. It's it feels rough today, but there are sections. Yeah,
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: so this is this is Menkara Pyramid, looks the same.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 3: It's the same kind of thing.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nubs but a little larger in some places that
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: those are big ones, but there's other ones that are smaller,
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: very much like that. Yeah, that that Facebook picture there,
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: I guess is a good nub picture. But there, even
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: in Mincara, there's some evidence that they were flattening some
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: surfaces of the pyramid. Whether or not they intended to
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: flatten the whole thing, we don't know. Funnily enough, they
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: have actually found that there's probably another hidden entrance to
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: this behind that blank flattened wall there on the the
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: Turkey today air filled anomalies under Mankara Pyramid. Yeah, so
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: there's a this is on the well that the eastern
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: side I guess of the pyramid. They the eastern side
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: where the pyramid struck temple is. The entrance is in
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: the north. But there's a flattened part of this wall
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: on the eastern side, and they've been hitting that with
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: like a ground like a radar thing, and they found
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: that there are some anomalies behind there, So they might
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: well be an entrance behind this.
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 3: Wall that looks a little odd, like the wall looks
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 3: a little different than the surrounding stone.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: Well for sure. Then there's some evidence that they had
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: a patch like that. One of the hypotheses. Again I
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: got a credit Kylin Russ from Brothers construction guys. So
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: they look at this stuff and they have a great
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: theory about this because on all there's a lot of
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: decasing stones are missing on the back, but we found
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: blocks that were smooth like that with the angle for
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: the other side. So what I think there were probably
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: four patches like that. Now, what you could be one
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: possible explanation for this is like, well, you very carefully
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: grind and finish a section on each side, because that
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: sets your angle. Once you set your angle, you can
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: use that patch as a reference point to then basically
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: try to finish the whole rest of the pyramid at
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: that exact angle. So you've got to start somewhere you
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: met if you very carefully set your angle correctly on
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: that patch, and then you can you can use that
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: as a reference to then smooth out the rest of
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: the surface, which you say smooth out in places, is
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: this much granite You've got to remove like a foot
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: of granite. It's got to come off these stones to
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: get down to that level. Like there's so pillowy, pillowy,
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: it's granite. I mean I just it boggles the mind.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: It's like there was scoop. It's like this they were
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: using that scooping tool or whatever to do it.
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: Are there competing theories as to what the nubs are
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: for other than like using it to lift the stones somehow?
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Some people suggest some of them may
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: have been like little meaning they're really there are different
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: types of nubs, the subtle ones, not all workers lifting nubs.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: Some people say in the geopolymer world where they say
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: well stones were formed or cast, they'll say, well, these
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 2: are like heat expansion points. I've heard good theories from
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: certain people that suggest it had something to do with
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: the mass of the stone, like a resonant. Like as
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: you change the mass of a stone, it's whatever resonant
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: frequency it has might alter because you also have scoops,
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: you have nubs, and you have scoops, so you seem
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: to have this reduction of mass, and then there's more
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: mass in another place. So maybe it had something to
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: do with These are different theories I've heard. I don't
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: have a good explanation for them.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 3: It's so weird how it never comes up again in
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 3: human history.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't. We don't make stuff with it's weird,
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: it really weird. Well, it's a commonality. It's one of
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: those other indicators. It's like, hey, this is the same,
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: but how come this is the same but in Japan
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: as well? Huh yeah, Yeah, there's places in Japan. I mean,
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: there's this a place I want to I've been there,
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: I've just not explored all those sites. Yes, there's some
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: really megalithic stone work in Japan. It actually matches a
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: lot of the stuff in Peru.
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: If you can find some of that, please, Yeah, what's that?
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 3: Bro looking on differently? Oh wow, where's that?
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: That looks like turkey?
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 3: Turkey? Yeah, Turkey is another one.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: Those are more consistent nubs, I would say, more.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 3: A little more.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: It's a bit more deliberate. There's also a lip on that.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, still weird it is it's like, what are you doing?
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 3: Are you copying? That? Could be people?
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: That's a possibility for sure, because we're very good at
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: that too. You do see a lot of imitation.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 3: Who taught you to do it?
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's there's there's a there's a few. There's
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: a few people really obsessed with the stone nubs, and
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: I can see why, like it is a real mystery.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: See those one that's the tambo, that's those are bedrock
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: nuts too. Those notn't even in blocks, that's in bedrock,
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: and those are a bit more deliberate, I would say,
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: like they're more like maybe their shadow and and you
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: know markers for like some sort of calendar. These this
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: is part of the Corey cancer. They're big square ones.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that's for that they're different. Again.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 3: What is your take on that siege wall in Montana.
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: I haven't been there and seen it. I've been wanting to.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: I've heard differing opinions on that, like it's it's possibly.
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see it for myself to be honest.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: I've seen some China that looks like yang Shan. Yeah,
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: that's yang Shan Quarry and they're giant. That's giant too.
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: By the way, that the yang Shan Quarry is thousands
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: of tons, Like if they'd ever cut that block off,
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: it's something like it's some astronomical.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I watched a piece on this YouTube that's yeah,
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 3: you see it there.
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: It's monstrous.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 3: What is the timeline of this stuff?
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: I believe I don't know off the top of my head.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe Jamie, you can find out. Ask you Rai Ming dynasty, right, yeah,
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: they say. The story on that is like like some
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: rulers said, like, carve me a drag, and they're like, sure, boss,
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: And they started trying to get this block out and
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: then eventually some foreman went, yeah, maybe we can't deal
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: with this stone anymore, and they left. It doesn't seem
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: real plausible to me. That's the size of the quarry blob, right, God, yeah,
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: thousands of tons of that and what they were doing there,
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: I do not know, and I do not know when
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: they did it.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 3: But that's the weird things. There's so many Yeah, says.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: They're huge, huge nubs.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 3: They're different, but it's like, what do they represent?
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: Well, so one another option. I mean, something else I've
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: heard is that in some places they could have been
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: mounting points for something that was grabbing them or hanging
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: on to them, some tool to finish the wall.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 3: That was another theory. Structure around them, Yeah, a structure
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: from the beast. And now the japan Ones. Jimmie, did
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 3: you find anything? I was just looking around.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: You get Japan megaliths maybe, but I mean India, the
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 2: Barabar Caves is another one of these mysteries that fits
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: this box. You ever heard of the Barabar caves in India? Oh,
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: my lord, that's a whole other Japan. This is Japan. Yeah,
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: this one in particular. There whoa click on that one
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 2: that you just had your curse on.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 3: That's nuts.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: I think that's a I is it? That thing looks
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: one one on the left just next to it, the
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: medium one. That's definitely that's that. And then below it
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: actually is a better picture of the Asuka megaliths. Yeah,
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: so this matches a lot of the stuff in Perud
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: to me, and even the Imperial Palace, the cornerstones and
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: corner blocks of the Imperial Palace there, the wall is
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: very megalithic. Whoa any fact, It's funny. They have actually
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: been digging up the foundations. My wife was there recently
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: and then they they've gone underground and they've found like
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: original foundations and big walls, and they've just they've just
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: opened some of that up to the public. Yeah, some
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: of this is some of this is very I mean,
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: this is totally Perot hunting. Pacha. If this is legit, Wow,
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: it matches right, it's the same yea, the same kind
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: of stuff.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what's weird. It's like, is this a
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: traveling civilization? Is civilization uniform all around the world at
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: a certain point in.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: Time he was global? Yeah, I think it was global.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: We're looking at the remnants of it either look at.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 6: That Oh my god, offshoots of it too in La potentially,
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 6: just like the giant bowlder in La at the museum.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 6: You know, it's like sitting over the tunnel and I'm
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 6: talking about Oh no.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 3: I don't remember it. I've tried to block lackma out. Look.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, kind of what is this like a La
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 3: Sculpture Museum of Modern Art? It's you go there, It's
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 3: like this is a plexiglass box.
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: It's amazing the Banan appeal in it, that kind of ship. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not a fanom or not.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: It's for dorks. Similar, yeah, but not as cool.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: That one's cooler and obviously way fucking older. It's just
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 1: so weird how these megalithic structures are so consistent.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 3: Whoa look at that one. That's nuts.
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: Where is that There's something like looks like Cambodia potentially Thailand.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 3: Well that was the other thing that we pulled up
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 3: the day.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: The temple in India, the one that's cut entirely out
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: of the mountains with a K.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's one. Yeah that there's there's a lot
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: of India. It's another place, but that's very that's made
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: from granite.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 3: Like it.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: It is cut out of granite. But if you look
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: at Barabar Caves that's also in India. These are my
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: friend Patrice Poiart, who runs a filmmaking company in France,
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 2: has done an amazing documentary on bar Bar and they've
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: scanned them and these are the he's the caves cut
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 2: into big granite outcroppings that are just massive, perfect on
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 2: the inside like that. It's mirror finished granite within like
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: a thousandth of an inch flatness on the insides. And
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: they have these crazy shapes. So some of them have
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: these circles, but then have a whole other room in
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: the back that's circular. And that's an unfinished one. That's
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: that's like.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: Doorway please Jamie up right there, like that's nuts round.
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of that. The decoration there is added
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: that's probably later. Again, it's the riding came later. The
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: original doorway is probably that one, so the elephants. Yeah,
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: for sure, there's an attribution of these is to uh
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: that was supposedly owned by a particular king who gave
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: them to like a religious cult to get out of
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: the rain. But it's he doesn't say anything about about
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: him making them.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 3: He's just wow.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: If you go to the the insides is what's impressive
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: in here. It's the finishing of the granite. Their mirror finished,
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 2: and it turns out with the scans what they found
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: is that are also like almost perfectly symmetrical, like they're
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: not straight, they tilt in it like a degree and
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: a half exactly on both sides there. It's some of
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: the most precision, precise like work in granite in single piece. Again,
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: it's one of those things where you can't make a
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: single mistake. And I mean this is not this is
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: an imitation, like this is a later attempt to replicate it. Yeah,
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 2: look at that cow paddy hammer whatever, the one the
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: two in the middle of the air. So this is
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 2: and you literally it's it's reflects that. I mean, the
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: acoustics in there are incredible, but this is granite and
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: it's been polished to this mirror finish, and then it's
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 2: also been measured for flatness and geometry, and it's it's
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: insanely accurate. There's been a whole series of documentaries done
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: and you can see the mirror finish in it, and
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: nobody knows. There's nothing else quite like these anywhere. It's
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: it's like giant stone boxes.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 3: Look at the size of that one carved into a mountain.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: Carved into a granite outcrop in a mountain. Exactly. Yeah,
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 2: there's seven or eight of them, all in the same area.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 2: Really hard to get to, so like you've got a
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: roughitt and camp and stuff to get out there.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 3: But it's and it's on my list, like what's the
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 3: conventional explanation of how they did this? They don't.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's there are literally other examples of people
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: hammering on them with like trying to make replicas with
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: the tools of the time, and then it just jumps
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: to this and it's just there's no explanation for it
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: other than they will they did it in order to
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: let this religious sect out of the rain. That's and
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: because it's literally some of the some of the really
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: poorly inscribed the right, you know, it's like the Egyptian stuff,
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: it's like somebody hammered this text sanscrit or whatever it is,
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 2: and it says, you know this was this king gave
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: this to these guys to get out of them.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 3: Onsoon It's the each in version of Kilroe was here.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 3: Oh Kilroy built this.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yep. Wild little Timmy on the skyscrape.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 3: I've never seen that before. That's baba, yeah, I completely insane.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: Patrese. I actually have his full documentary on my channel.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 2: And if people wanted to go.
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 5: With the giant statue outside is the Oya quarry in Japan?
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 5: In Japan, whoa said it abandoned quarry?
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 3: Whoa?
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: This is like I said, We were in a quarry
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 2: like this in Turkey. It was absolutely incredible.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 3: Look at the relationship to the size of the people
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 3: that were walking.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: Is this a salt quarry or is it limestone?
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 3: I can't tell.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: A lot of them are salt cabins, but we were inside.
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: So you have big cabin you have big quarries like this,
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: underground quarries in China. We were in Turkey and this.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 2: I have this amazing footage from this massive underground quarry.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 2: These caves that were carved in Turkey when we were there.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 3: Look at this title. Scientists discover this structure in Japan.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 3: They claim humans could never have built medium. How's that?
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 3: How could humans have never built a quarry?
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 3: Get clicks. Yeah, it's just getting clicks, you sons of bitches.
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 3: That's the game. Someone did it. No one's saying that's
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 3: not humans, just saying.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 1: Something was going on back then where they were way
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: more advanced than we want to give them credit for.
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And when you take into account the younger driver's
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 3: impact theory and the natural catastrophes that undoubtedly have befallen
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 3: many a civilization in the past, Yeah, it all kind
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 3: of makes sense. It's just it's weird how many people
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 3: resist it. That's the weird part. It's like they want
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 3: to cling so tightly to their preconceived notions of the
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 3: history of the human race.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 2: It's it's a weird thing, isn't it. Like the history
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 2: of civilization is one of those things that hasn't changed
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: a whole lot in about one hundred years, Like the
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: idea that civilization started with the Sumerians and the Mesopotamians
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: six thousand years ago, and now we're here that that
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 2: idea has been around for a long time, and it's
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 2: just everything else around it has shifted such that mean
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 2: I hope, I really do hope that it's just that
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: there's that the context. The next generation academics can take
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 2: some of this context into account.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 3: I think they will. I think.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of them are growing up listening
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: to stuff like your show. I think I think that's
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: going to help because there's a lot of people that
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: are getting into archaeology now, a lot of young people
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: that are a little bit more open minded. And then
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: they also encounter some of these very arrogant professors and
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: people that have these ridiculous ideas and think that they
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: should be the absolute gatekeeper of information, which is so
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: crazy because universities are a fairly new concept. The idea
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: that these people that are running these universities they should
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: be in charge of something. There's a new thing, they
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 1: should be in charge. They're the only ones that could
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 1: figure it out. They have the paper, it's written, their
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: name is written, it's framed.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 3: On the wall.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 2: You shut the fuck up got the letter.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: That is literally insane because you're dealing with something that
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 1: it is not possible for everyone to know, and you're
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 1: not as into it as they are. The thing is
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 1: about like they are not as into these ideas as
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 1: you are. You know what I'm saying, you a piece
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 1: in this shit down there's not a lot you are,
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 1: And so's Jimmy Corsetti, and so is Graham Hancock, and
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 1: there are many many other people in Randall Carlson and
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 1: John Anthony West of Rest in Peace. When he was alive,
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 1: he was awesome. Those people chasing down these ideas are
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 1: way more into it than the people that are geekeeping
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: the information, and they don't want to accept anything other
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: than what they've been teaching and what they've been writing about.
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you're right, there's a lot of that. I mean,
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 2: it's amazing that the medium has shifted to give people
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: a voice I guess that are into it. And my
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 2: friend George Howard has a great way of explaining this
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 2: in terms of a potential talent pool. If you consider, like, okay,
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: so you current academics, at least the ones that are
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: the old guard now are kind of been selected from
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 2: the people that chose to go to universe, that got
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: into universities, and you have this pool. But now with
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: the kind of the Internet, and it's like you're exposing
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: these ideas to such a wider variety of people that
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: you can then there's gonna be people out there that
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 2: think about these things a certain way, polyths sess polymaths
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: that are going to be able to come forward and
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 2: give those ideas. And you know, it's I think, you know,
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 2: the vast majority of significant breakthroughs in pretty much any
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 2: scientific field have usually come from somewhere that's it's not
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: within the box thinking. It's it's usually anti established or
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: it's outside the box thinking. Not always, but a lot
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: of those ideas came from like this has come complete
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: from left field, like germ theory, all that sort of stuff.
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 2: It's like, what are you're crazy? Get this dumb idea,
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 2: and then turns out, ah, you know, thirty forty years
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 2: later it's like that was the right idea, and we
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 2: go from there.
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 3: I mean that.
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 2: I'm hopeful as well that, yeah, the next generation of
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: academics will be able to embrace a lot of these
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 2: the context for some of these ideas and then try
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 2: to explore them because I think ultimately that's what's needed
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 2: is some take some of these ideas seriously and bend
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 2: some of our resources to try and explore them on
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: the ground and in full because there's any you know, ultimately,
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: it's the people that have the control and are able
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: to do the real on the ground research are the
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 2: ones that will be able to confirm or you know,
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: change it. It takes real signs in a lot of cases.
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 1: And also, we're currently obsessed with our impact on the environment,
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 1: which is not a bad thing. It's a good thing
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: to be conscious and aware of our pollution and our
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: omissions and all that good stuff. But if we were
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: absolutely certain that civilization has been utterly destroyed by something
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 1: that is outside of our capacity to control, probably a
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 1: good idea to know that that's happened, yesh, And to
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 1: deny the possibility of even exploring that concept because people
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: are going to get their feelings hurt, because you know
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 1: they were, because they're so bitchy to each other. That's
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: the craziest thing you find out about these academics. They
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 1: are so bitchy to each other. When anybody has any
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 1: sort of an idea it's heterodox, any sort of an
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 1: idea that's outside of the narrative that they've been teaching forever.
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: They attack each other's reputation they're a little sociopaths.
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 2: It is vicious. It's well, that's their version of the fight.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 2: I guess it's the the mean letters in the Yeah,
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 2: it's you know what I mean, that's weird. It is
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: kind of weird.
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 1: It's but they're also in today's day and age of
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 1: these shows, where like your show and all these other
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: ones that we mentioned, there's a much more attractive approach
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 1: to these ideas, you know, where people are not like
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 1: bitchy authoritarians, but there are rather people that are absolutely
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 1: fascinated by something that is undeniable. The size of these stones,
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: the similarity to them all over the world, all these
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 1: different mysteries, the fact that many of them are covered
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 1: in mud, the fact that the enormous stones look they've
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 1: been knocked off by some immense force. Stuff that's left
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 1: just left there in the middle of construction. Nobody ever
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 1: picked it up, nobody ever finished it, like what happened.
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's it's really only not that long since
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 2: we've had the ability to apply some of these disciplines
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 2: to these problems like engineering. You know, it's since the
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution that we've we've even had the enough background
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 2: knowledge to kind of understand these problems because we have
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 2: to solve them ourselves.
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 1: Or like to think about how Christopher un approaches the
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 1: idea of the Great Pyramid itself, Like, oh yeah, no
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 1: one would have ever been able to do that two hundred.
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 2: Years ago, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, Like, that's that's
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 2: it's it's these other disciplines that have a whole different
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 2: take on it that And it's again not a criticism
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: of archaeologist to say they're not engineers, they're not engineerings.
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 2: It's just they just yeah, it's fact, they don't.
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 3: You don't.
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 2: It's like I'm not a dentist, you know that much?
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I can't solve those problems exactly.
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: No one could solve all problems. Yeah, but hey, dentist
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: might have some input on some of these, you know
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, sure you could, you can. I
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 2: think a lot of these problems are multidisciplinary, is what
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like, there's there's a lot of different approaches
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 2: and angles to them that lead to some pretty interesting places.
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 3: Funny because my dentist is obsessed with UFOs.
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 1: Oh really, super smart guy obsessed with UFOs trying to
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 1: talk to you every time he's like doing it.
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 3: What do you think we think that is? It's fun,
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 3: it's fight to talk to them.
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 2: I'll bet yeah, yeah, what else you going to think
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 2: about while it is filling on someone?
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: But it is a subject that is so important for us.
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm watching the Ken Burns documentary right now
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 1: in the Revolutionary War. It's really great, awesome, amazing, fascinating
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 1: to look back at this very recent history relatively speaking
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 1: to terms of the timeline of the Earth and to
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 1: just realize.
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 3: Like that ain't shit.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, And that's one of the reasons I drives me too,
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 2: is why it's I think that's a big factor in
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 2: why this is important. Is it it's altruistic, But I
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 2: do believe that having if we could change that that
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 2: pillar of humanity from like well we were stone age
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 2: and now we're space aged, to this cyclical nature of
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 2: we've been here, we've not been knocked down, be aware
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 2: of the dangers, like solve the longer term. I do
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 2: genuinely think that a whole generation that's exposed to that,
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 2: that has that in built as they're like, hey, background
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 2: knowledge of what it means to be a human, then
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 2: maybe we would solve those problems.
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 3: With maybe the money.
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 1: A constant test every twelve thousand plus years seems like it. Yeah,
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 1: it does seem like it, and it seems like no
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 1: one's really solved it yet, you know, and we probably
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 1: get a little smarter every time we do it, but
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 1: it tasts forever and it probably sucks for a long time.
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 2: Well, it seems like it's not every twelve thousand years
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 2: or so. Is like, there's definitely been events that that
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 2: are orders of magnitude greater than anything we've experienced now
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 2: the last several millennia. Yeah, you know, like a you know,
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 2: a thousand Katrinas or whatever at a time kind of thing.
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 1: Like there's evidence of like things like the Tunguska event
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 1: where something a little bit more morning, a little more
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 1: than we've experienced before happens, but nothing compared to what
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 1: has experienced we've experienced or the Earth has experienced in
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 1: the past.
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 2: No, for sure, we've not. We've yeah, we've had we've
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 2: had nothing. But it does that if you go back
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 2: the last a couple of hundred thousand years, it is
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 2: has this periodicity. It seems like it does for some
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 2: reason alone with some of those those twelve thousand years
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 2: and twenty six thousand years kind of cycles. It's weird
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 2: how that happens.
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 3: Including the depictions of Atlantis in the Fall of Atlantis.
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it's all that dynamically.
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 3: Lines on with the timeline, lines up with the timelines.
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 3: It does. Dude. Your show is fucking awesome. I love it.
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 3: I look forward to it every time you put a
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 3: new episode out. I really love it. And I love
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 3: every time you come in here. And let's make this
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 3: a regular thing, man.
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 3: It's my favorite show. I fucking love this subject so much.
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 1: It's so engaging, it's so exciting, you know, for whatever reason,
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 1: there's just part of the human fascination with the past
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 1: that gets ignited in me. And it's it's so I
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 1: think the audience feels the same way. It's like, it's
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 1: so intriguing. And I think you're right, and I think
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Corsetti's right, and Graham Hancock's right. I think all
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 1: these people are right. I think there's more to this
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 1: story than we're being spoon fed.
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much, sir.
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 3: All right. Pleasure un Charted X. It's on YouTube, subscribe,
• 2:44:00
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• 2:44:03
  Speaker 3: what is your Instagram?
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 2: It's unchotted x one on Twitter and chat at x
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 2: seven on Instagram. I should probably fix that, but it
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 2: is what it is.
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, as well as it's not six seven. That's
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 3: the new thing with the kids these days.
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 2: No. Yeah, I have done about all that I've heard
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, appreciate you very much. Bye, everybody, Thank you.
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 2: Broke. Yeah, I want to force them.
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask them.
• 2:44:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we can throw it back in.
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about it real quick.
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, want talk about it?
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 3: I can.
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 1: Sorry, folks, we unended it. We unended it because Jamie
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 1: had sent me this earlier today. Solomon Shamir.
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the shemia. So you are familiar with it, I am, okay.
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 1: So this is an ancient idea that there was a
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 1: worm or a substance that had the power to cut
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 1: through and disintegrate stone, iron, and diamond, and Solomon is
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 1: said to have used it in the building of the
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 1: First Temple in Jerusalem in place of cutting tools. For
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 1: the construction of solomon Temple, which promoted peace, it was
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 1: inappropriate to use tools that could also cause war.
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 3: And bloodshed. Yep.
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 5: There's also I've found since we've been since I sent
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 5: that to you, there is a actual thing called a
• 2:45:13
  Speaker 5: lethorio or something that they're found in the Philippines that
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 5: does it's some sort of a rock eating worm.
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The shemir is like Solomon's Light, cyber likeical.
• 2:45:25
  Speaker 2: It's it's it is described the shemir is is is
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 2: described as a stone cutting.
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 5: So the guy who found it said he had never
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 5: heard of the shemir, huh. And some scientists don't know
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 5: if they're even the same thing, but they do. They're
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 5: described very similarly.
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 3: What a creepy looking motherfucker. That thing is a rock
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 3: eating little worm.
• 2:45:51
  Speaker 2: Like grinding stone.
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. It's there.
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 2: There are a number of different depictions and descriptions for
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 2: the shemir and and one of the real it one
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 2: of the problems with it being like this this thing
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 2: that slowly grinds through.
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 2: See, this is the weird part to me. It was
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 2: men have always been wrapped moll and stored in a
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 2: container made of lead. The end of the container would
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 2: burst and disintegrate, so it's.
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 3: Like under the Shamir's geek, right, So whoa are we
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 3: describing hell?
• 2:46:22
  Speaker 2: Are we describing radiations?
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 3: Like say, what are we describing it?
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 2: Or gets into the It gets into the realm of
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 2: the ark of the Covenant and everything else to.
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 5: Rule and stored in lead that's not and then it
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 5: last its potency, yes, right after which I don't the
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 5: dripping of the honeycomb.
• 2:46:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. By the time of
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 3: the destruction of the First Temple during the Siege of
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 3: Jerusalem and six US.
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, but again it still exists. They found it today,
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 2: like twenty eighteen. I think as well, they found a
• 2:46:49
  Speaker 2: worm that does something very similar worm. That's he was evolution.
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 5: They had a giant one that like fucking maybe they
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 5: could have trained them like train pigeons eat the wall.
• 2:47:00
  Speaker 2: He had to do it fine. And one of the
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 2: things too, he was they had to build that temple
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 2: Solomon quickly, so that he was like, we need this.
• 2:47:06
  Speaker 2: We can't use the regular methods, but we also need
• 2:47:08
  Speaker 2: to be able to cut stone quickly. So one of
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 2: the things that Shamir was described as doing is being
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 2: able to cut these sort of hard stones like I
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 2: think it described like diamond even as the playing it quickly.
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 5: The blood of the Shamir was used for diamonds, but
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 5: this also said that he was not He didn't find it.
• 2:47:22
  Speaker 5: It was given given to him a bird found it
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 5: a bird, a bird. The bird was using it to
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 5: make nests and rock, and they're like, let's take let's
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 5: let's get the whold of that.
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 2: So yeah, some people also speculate that there's there is
• 2:47:35
  Speaker 2: a bird that vomits this thing or poops this thing
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 2: that which can melt rock.
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 1: The Angel of the Sea had then given the Shamir
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 1: to a bird identified by the Talmud as a whoopie.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 2: But it's the It's the oldest, isn't this. I believe
• 2:47:49
  Speaker 2: this is like the We had to go to several
• 2:47:51
  Speaker 2: birds which were also these spirits. He talked to that,
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 2: and I think he had to get to the very later,
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 2: very last one.
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 3: They go from aliens. It's a worm from a bird.
• 2:48:02
  Speaker 3: It's a lightsaber from
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 2: Aliens, radioactive alien lightsaber, all right, and the en