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The Bill Gates Epstein Related Congressional Transcripts (Part 9) (6/28/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Bill Gates interview with Congress. Question.
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  So this redaction was made by the Department of Justice
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  in the release of the Epstein files. Members of the
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  committee have had the opportunity to look underneath of redactions
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  at the Department of Justice. So I'll stipulate to you
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  that the redacted words are a name. It's Alice Jacobs
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  and we understand that her full name to be Alice
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  Jacobs Nesselrod. Do you know who that is? Answer? I do?
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  Question who is she? Answer? She's a doctor who does
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  consulting relating health services? I believe. Question have you ever
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  met her? Answer? I have question? How did you meet her? Answer?
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  She was at a conference that I went to. Question
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  do you recall approximately what year? Answer before twenty ten? Question.
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  According to the DOJ files, Miss Nesselrod appears to have
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  initially made contact with Jeffrey Epstein over email in October
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  of two thousand and nine, and it seems she was
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  ultimately the one who introduced Epstein to Nickeolch. Did you
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  know that? Answer? No, I thought it was. I mean,
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  what I've read in the press is it was doctor Walker.
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  I don't know. I mean, I think even recently press
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  things said it was doctor Walker. I have no knowledge
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  of who did that introduction? Question? In one email, she
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  referred to Boris as her quote best friend. Did you
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  know that she and doctor Nikolicch were friends at all?
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  Answer who? Question? In one email, miss Nesselrod referred to
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  Boris as her best friend. Did you know that miss
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  Nesselrod and doctor Nikeolch were friends? Answer? I knew that
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  they knew each other in a professional context. Question did
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  you know whether doctor Nesselrod knew mister Epstein? Answer no,
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  I have no awareness of that question so it says
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  I'll read it for you again. You also made it
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  clear to me that I'm not to refer to Alice Jacobs,
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  as that is another topic that must remain between the
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  two of us. What do you make of that? What
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  do you think that they're talking about? Answer? They this
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  is email from one man to himself that I've never
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  seen before. So what does it mean when a man
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  sends an email to himself? I'm not sure? Question sure?
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  As it chose In majority Exhibit one, doctor Nikolch and
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  mister Epstein were coordinating on how to deal with you.
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  I appreciate that you are. We cannot say for certain
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  what the context of this email is, given that it
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  was sent from mister Epstein to himself, but it's written
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  from the perspective of doctor Nikeolch. And so I'll just
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  ask you the question this way. Do you have any
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  reason to believe that anyone would think that there is
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  something about Alice Jacobs that you needed to keep between
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  yourself and doctor Nickolch. Answer, well, there was a time
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  when I had an affair with doctor Jacobs, so that
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  may fit the category. Question Okay, what year did that begin?
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  Answer before two? Though? Question, and this is why I
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  was asking earlier about your other affairs, which you know.
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  I can appreciate your perspective that you don't believe any
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  of these people to be connected with Jeffrey Epstein, but
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  it seems he was connected to a lot of people,
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  including doctor Nesselrod. Question. As we sit here today, I'm
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  not aware of any connection between doctor Jacobs and mister Epstein.
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  Question did you ever have a conversation with doctor Nikolich
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  about your affair with doctor Jacobs? Doctor Nesselrod. Answer no, no.
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  Question how do you believe that he knew that doctor
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  Nikolich knew about your affair? Question? He was friends, you know,
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  a consultant tour, so I'm not completely surprised that he
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  might have been aware of it. Question Is it possible
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  that mister Epstein heard it directly from doctor Nesselrod? Answer?
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  I doubt that very much. As I said, I'm not
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  aware of any connection between doctor Epstein or doctor Jacobs
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  and Epstein. Question should we call her doctor Jacobs or
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  doctor Nesselrod? Answer let's call her doctor Jacobs to doctor Jacobs.
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  Did her name come up in any of the discussion
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  with regard to doctor Nikoluch's departure from his employment? Answer never.
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  Question was your affair with doctor Jacobs? Did you disclose
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  your affair with doctor Jacobs to Malinda at the same
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  time you disclose the two we've already talked about? Answer
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  that would have been earlier. Question Sir, your wife Melinda
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  was aware of the affair with doctor Jacobs earlier, and
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  then you told her of two additional affairs at a
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  later date. Answer that's right. Question do you recall when
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  approximately you inform your wife about your affair with doctor Jacobs.
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  Answer no. Question did doctor Nikolch know that Milinda was
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  aware of this affair? Answer? I don't know. Question thank you.
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  And so, just looking at this email in its entirety,
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  I think you've already used the word blackmail. I was
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  going to ask you, and reading it it strikes me
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  as sort of a shakedown of you. I didn't read
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  the whole thing to you, but there's a long part
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  where the email describes what it wishes that you would
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  have done for Boris, including you know, thirty to forty
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  percent of one hundred million dollar partnership for thirty million
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  in today's dollars. Answer where are you reading? Yeah, there
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  you are? Question above. It also says I suggest i'd
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  buy you the house that you had your heart set on.
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  Did discussions of you purchasing a house for doctor Nikolch
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  ever come up during negotiations with them? Answer? Not in
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  negotiations with them, But while he was in my employee,
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  I was aware that there was a place in New
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  York he was looking to buy, and he asked me
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  if I would loan him the money for that, and
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  I turned him down. Question do you know the approximate
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  value of that. Answer No, it could have been. It
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  was above ten million. Answer above ten million. Apologies for
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  going out of border here, but again just above that
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  to thirty to forty percent line and above just above that,
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  it says in addition to five years of severance, was
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  there ever a discussion of providing doctor Nikolch five years
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  of his pay as part of his severance? Answer? No. Question.
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  Do you know what doctor nikolicch annual compensation was approximately? Answer?
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  I would be guessing, you know, above one hundred thousand,
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  probably below two hundred thousand. Question so five years would
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  be between five hundred thousand and one million. Is that
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  what your email is describing in terms of severance payment?
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  Answer well, independent of the email, I can multiply five
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  by one hundred thousand and two hundred thousand very quickly,
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  so it would be between five hundred thousand and one million.
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  Question and were there any discussions with doctor Nikolic about
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  a severance payment between five hundred thousand and one million?
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  Answer no, question. I know you've already described it a
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  little bit, but can you explain what the ultimate dollar
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  value of mister nikolch severance package was? Answer well, the
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  biggest economic thing between doctor Nikolch and Gate's ventures was
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  the sharing of the profit from the two investments that
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  he made, and you know, we had agreed to share
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  the profits on those investments before he left. That was
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  part of his saying he was going to go to
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  venture capital and my saying, okay, why don't you stay
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  for a little longer and almost do like, you know,
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  almost venture capital type things, which was, you know, very unusual.
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  I didn't do that with employees questions. So, you know,
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  his portion of those investments was substantial, because I had
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  quite a bit of profit from the investments that were made.
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  And so there's that part which is not due to
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  his leaving. That was because of a prior verbal agreement
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  between doctor Nikolich and I. Beyond that, I think he
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  got fairly standard exit package, which would have been on
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  the order of six to nine months of compensation questions,
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  So fair to say under one million. Answer for the
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  extra compensation, yes, but the value of stocks was you know, substantial,
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  over five million, mister spector, Miss Bolbert, do you have
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  any questions, Miss Bolbert? Thank you, thank you, mister Gates
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  for being here today. I have a couple of questions
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  about your involvement with mister Epstein in relation to the
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  scientific studies that you were both that you work on
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  and that he is intrigued by, mister Gates, Epstein was
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  deeply involved in eugenics, transhumanism, and plans to propagate his
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  own DNA through genetic engineering. During your multiple meetings, did
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  he ever discuss his genetic ambitions, population engineering ideas, or
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  try to tie them to your foundation vaccine and global
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  health initiatives? Answer mister Gates, He did not, Bobert. None
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  of that ever came up. The talk of vaccines, Gates
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  never came up. Bobert. Okay, and then so, given Epstein's
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  Harvard Genome project involvement with Crisper around the same time
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  as your meetings, did he ever pitch any ideas with
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  that program to your DNA research? Gates? No question. Were
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  there any other meetings with anyone in his circle that
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  talked about any kind of scientific DNA research that was
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  taking place or a vaccine with your global health initiative,
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  mister Gates, No, Bobert. When you first started interacting with
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  Jeffrey Epstein, you are notably one of the most part
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  orrowful men in the world, and I would say that
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  you have a vast amount of resources. How was there
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  not a vetting process for his relationship to begin and
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  were there red flags that you had ignored completely or
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  were you just completely unaware of it? Gates? Well, I
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  was aware that he had a criminal conviction, as I've discussed, Bolbert, correct,
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  because it's true that you began a moral formal relationship
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  after Epstein had that conviction. Answer. Yeah, I think that
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  his conviction was two thousand and eight or two thousand
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  and nine, and I first met him in twenty eleven Bolbert, correct.
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  And so with that criminal conviction, it was enough for
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  him to say that this was a lie or that
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  you would believe that he was innocent in some manner
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  and continue having these meetings with them. Answer, we didn't
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  discuss his criminal conviction, Bobert. And it didn't bother you
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  that you were doing business, philanthropy work with a man
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  that had these convictions. Gates. It was a concern and
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  part of the reason that I defined his potential role
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  quite narrowly and eventually bought it, brought it to an end.
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  But I have to regret that I didn't factor that
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  in into a greater degree Bobert. So you discussed his
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  criminal convictions whatsoever with them, or never discussed his criminal
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  convictions whatsoever with them? Gates? No, Bobert, what were the
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  discussions during your meetings? Gates? Which meeting? Bobert? Well, okay,
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  let's take it back. How many meetings overall do you
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  think you had in person with Jeffrey Epstein Gates. Let's see,
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  there were three in twenty eleven and two in twenty twelve.
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  There's like five or six, although some of those are
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  skype calls in twenty eleven, and five or six in
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  twenty fourteen. Bobert. Thank you for the detailed response. And
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  I know that you've mentioned that earlier, at least in part.
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  Were the topics generally the same during all those meetings.
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  I'm aware that you said that sometimes it would have
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  been a year or so you were kind of recapping
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  what you had been doing for the previous year. But generally,
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  what were the topics of these meetings? Gates? Well, I
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  would differentiate. You know, clearly there were meetings that had
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  to do with Nikeolice leaving Gate's ventures employ They were
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  mostly meetings that talked about the potential for billions of
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  philanthropic donations. Then a number of those meetings there were
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  other people. So like when Larry Summers is there, we're
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  talking about the economy and what's going on with that. Likewise,
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  jess Daley at the same dinner, when the two Norwegians
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  were there, we're talking about what's gone on with the
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  United Nations and what's going on on world affairs generally.
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  You know. So there was a variety of topics, including
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  me talking about my global health goals. Bobert. So you
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  were talking about your goals in global health, and was
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  Epstein ever intrigued in inquiring more about this and did
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  he ever offer up his own information that he'd been
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  studying Gates To my awareness, he wasn't somebody who knew
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  much about global health, you know. When he would talk
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  about the various topics that he was into, global health
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  was never one of those. Bobert. I guess global health
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  that could be broad. So your meetings with Epstein overlapped
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  your heavy push on the global vaccines and population related initiative,
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  And so you're saying that Epstein never had any discussion
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  with you or influence in those areas, even indirectly through
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  his network Gates. Okay, let's be clear what initiatives are
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  you referring to, Bobert Well, your global health initiatives, your
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  massive push for vaccines and population related initiatives. Mister Gates,
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  what's the connection. There's no connection, So I'm not understanding
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  what you're referring to. There are vaccines, and we're a
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  funder of Gabby that buys vaccines for children, you know,
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  which is the primary reason childhood death has gone from
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  ten million a year down below five million a year.
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  That has nothing to do with population. Bobert Okay, Well
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  commas between those topics. So okay, were you ever talking
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  with him about those vaccines and did he ever have
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  any influence in those areas? Gates? No, Bobert Okay. It's
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  just a little difficult because we have powerful people like
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  yourself are claiming they didn't know anything about Epstein's activities
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  that were happening. Even if aware of conviction, it wasn't
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  enough of an issue to separate business or personal or
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  have meetings whatsoever, despite you know, these years of association.
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  People in these powerful positions are saying they absolutely knew nothing.
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  And as someone who prides themselves, Gates cuts her off.
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  I can only speak for myself Bobert jumps in correct, Yes, sir,
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  And as someone who prides himself on data and evidence,
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  I don't know how you explain missing that the victim
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  and court records show that this was going on for
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  so long. Gates. What was going on for so long? Bobert,
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  all of Epstein's sex crimes? Gates, I was not aware
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  of any ongoing crimes. Bobert. Okay. I think that's all
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  the questions I have for now. Thank you, mister Gates,
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  mister moron. And before we go, mister Gates referred to
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  an email exchange where he conveyed to Jeffrey Epstein that,
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  you know, regardless of what Boris was going to say,
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  he wasn't going to change the terms of the deal.
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  We track down Bates number for that. That's e f
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  TA zero one nine six four zero five three specter.
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  Thank you. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right
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  here and in the next episode dealing with the topic,
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  we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the
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