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There is no try, only do | HBR Talk 348 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to technical difficulties with the Badgers. This
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  Speaker 1: is I am.
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  Speaker 2: It would be inappropriate at this.
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  Speaker 1: Point there we go, Yeah, welcome to Hannah has a
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  Speaker 1: just kidding. Uh, but we are on HBr Talk three
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  Speaker 1: forty eight. There is no try only do. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Hannah Wallen here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks and the
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  Speaker 1: personification of my perceptivity Mike Stevenson, and tonight we've got
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that blind spot and it's it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a big one. Guys are much more not sneaky
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  Speaker 1: on purpose, much more. Okay, now they're saying you're too quiet.
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  Speaker 1: Mike's quiet in here do.
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  Speaker 2: Quiet ten on each.
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  Speaker 1: But uh no, I was gonna says guys are. Guys
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  Speaker 1: are much more genuine a lot of times than women are.
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  Speaker 1: Women are sneaky. We are sneaky folks, And it's it's
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  Speaker 1: probably an evolution.
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  Speaker 2: They say women play games, but I'm like, I'll play
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  Speaker 2: your game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when when guys decide, they yeah, exactly, women play
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  Speaker 1: games all the time. When guys play, they win. And
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  Speaker 1: then and I have I have been on the receiving
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  Speaker 1: end of that. I have been outsmarted by well, my
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  Speaker 1: husband out smarts me, but that's a little bit more fun.
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  Speaker 1: I actually kind of enjoy that because that's that's that's
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  Speaker 1: one of my turn ons. So there you go. But
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  Speaker 1: getting into the nitty gritty here, sometimes it allows women
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  Speaker 1: to take advantage of you. When women try to out
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  Speaker 1: smart you by being cutesy and innocent and victimy and
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  Speaker 1: all that, and yeah, you kind of feel sorry for them.
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  Speaker 1: That is the first step down the pathway to getting fleeced.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about a couple of ways
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  Speaker 1: in which that plays out. And I have an article
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to read to sort of set the tone.
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  Speaker 1: the rumble chat opened. Because I don't want to miss anything. Yeah, yep,
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  Speaker 1: and so far it just tells me I started out
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  Speaker 1: with no sound. So I do have a new microphone,
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  Speaker 1: new micudis. But hopefully it sounds good.
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  Speaker 2: It does, it's it's it's quite chocolatesy.
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  Speaker 1: It's quite different from my old You.
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  Speaker 2: Have that headset thing that makes you sound like a
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  Speaker 2: sport's commentated from the seventies. But yeah, you're quite clear
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  Speaker 2: and lovely.
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  Speaker 1: Now, good, good, that's that's good. Maybe I'll make make
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  Speaker 1: this the microphone I use for making my videos from
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  Speaker 1: now on. Then I had been using a Yetti, which
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  Speaker 1: I have had, I think pretty much for the last
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  Speaker 1: six or seven years now I've been using that. But yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: the YouTube chat is on. Yeah, and Jen Bottle says
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  Speaker 1: one mentor he had said that when women come out
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  Speaker 1: to engage, they come to play, women come out, they
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  Speaker 1: come out to kill the Now when when women don't
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  Speaker 1: realize this and that is true, but when women come
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  Speaker 1: out a lot of times they also don't tell you
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  Speaker 1: when they come out to play, and you think that
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  Speaker 1: they're being straightforward, that's.
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  Speaker 2: How suspiciously, how suspiciously like that feminist phrase that men
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  Speaker 2: are afraid that women are going to make fun of them,
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  Speaker 2: and women are afraid that men are going to kill them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so I have to push back against that in some way.
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  Speaker 2: No women come out to play, as in, they get
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  Speaker 2: some other and some other men to kill you, and
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  Speaker 2: men generally do their best to actually talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't quite work out because they go it's fine,
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  Speaker 2: it's fine, it's all about communication, but there's nothing wrong,
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  Speaker 2: it's fine, and then they get some other guy to
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  Speaker 2: kill you. Ah, misogyny, misogyny, missogy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think to answer the question of men and
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  Speaker 1: women is I think the answer with regard to differences
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  Speaker 1: in handling playtime and men, men will play as long
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  Speaker 1: as you recognize that you're just playing and you're not
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  Speaker 1: doing things that are genuinely mean and genuinely hurtful. Women
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  Speaker 1: don't always recognize the line between and so. And I
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  Speaker 1: mean there's you know, there's joking around like I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: take your arm off and beat you with it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and it's and it's rough play
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  Speaker 1: verbally and stuff like that. But then there's turning i
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  Speaker 1: don't know, cutty funny little jabs into playing. The dozens
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  Speaker 1: when you weren't playing the dozens, right. That's that's women
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  Speaker 1: will cross that line and they'll expect you to just
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  Speaker 1: take it, and they get really surprised when they find
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  Speaker 1: out that dudes are better at it than they are.
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  Speaker 1: And then then they'll play victim when you hit back harder.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of it comes down to this difference
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  Speaker 2: at a very early age that when when little boys
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  Speaker 2: play with Batman toys, they imagine themselves as Batman, and
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  Speaker 2: they see themselves in the role as Batman and they
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  Speaker 2: become Batman. Little girls project their own personality onto their toys.
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  Speaker 2: If they play with Batman, they make him sit down
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  Speaker 2: at a tea party and the drink teas and eat
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  Speaker 2: cookies with the joker and that. So that's that's why
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  Speaker 2: we so fucked from an early age, because we're so
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  Speaker 2: different from an early age. But we can, we can,
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  Speaker 2: it would work around the differences somehow as al as
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  Speaker 2: we you know, recognize that we that we are as
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  Speaker 2: different as that from an early age, and that these
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  Speaker 2: things grow into I don't know, I'm trying to translate
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  Speaker 2: that into the dark area of not boys and girls
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  Speaker 2: but men and women.
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  Speaker 1: Well, for one thing, it makes it difficult for the
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  Speaker 1: sexiest to always understand each other.
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  Speaker 2: But video games are good at this because they really,
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  Speaker 2: they really do bridge the gap because when boys and
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  Speaker 2: girls are playing a video game together, this difference dissolves away,
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  Speaker 2: and they're both like, oh, you killed me, I actually died,
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  Speaker 2: because they're playing the same character and they have to
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  Speaker 2: play that same character by the same rules, by the
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  Speaker 2: same paradigm, Like you can't just pretend that Mario is
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  Speaker 2: having a fucking tea party. No, he's I can jumping
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  Speaker 2: on mushrooms and he might die.
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  Speaker 1: And then your mom gets upset you killed your sister?
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  Speaker 1: What the heck? Like, and the neighbors were like, what
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  Speaker 1: the heck is she talking about? Back back in the
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  Speaker 1: atary twenty six hundred days, what do you mean your
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  Speaker 1: son killed his sister? No, no, no, no, in a
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  Speaker 1: video game. But let's get on with this. This article
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  Speaker 1: is just it's just a bunch of thoughts, Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: it's not anything serious and not on my usual like
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  Speaker 1: research stuff, so it's gonna sound a little different than
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  Speaker 1: what I usually write. And it started out with a
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  Speaker 1: Twitter x conversation that I didn't put into this because
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to throw any body under the bus
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  Speaker 1: that I got into arguments with. So and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to start out talking about that argument either. So
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  Speaker 1: here we go. And I did put it in the chat.
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  Speaker 1: If you guys want to open it should be. It's
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  Speaker 1: up now, so it should open up for you. The
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  Speaker 1: first big life changing philosophy lesson I had that didn't
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  Speaker 1: come from a family member or a paid educator revolved
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  Speaker 1: around one of the simplest tasks, and it took me
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  Speaker 1: years to recognize that I'd already heard it in a
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  Speaker 1: movie when I was a kid. There is no try,
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  Speaker 1: only do It was my first retail job, and as
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  Speaker 1: a cashier in a dinky, little convenience store that sold
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  Speaker 1: a very little bit of a crapload of different things,
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  Speaker 1: I was given very little on the job training, thrown
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  Speaker 1: in and expected to swim with no experience, and then
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  Speaker 1: browbeaten by my manager of the store about everything I did,
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  Speaker 1: as if the store was going to crumble around us
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  Speaker 1: at any moment from the monstrous pressure of my sheer
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  Speaker 1: and competence. Often it was as simple as insisting that
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  Speaker 1: I started mopping on the wrong side of the room,
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  Speaker 1: but sometimes I had to do it was more. It
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  Speaker 1: had to do with more complicated stuff, and I learned
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  Speaker 1: something new every time. Then she got mad at me
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  Speaker 1: for being too obvious about taking mental note when what
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  Speaker 1: she explained to me was new to me. There came
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  Speaker 1: a point where in time where I just knew without
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  Speaker 1: question that I was going to be fired. In the
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  Speaker 1: middle of berating me for making a mental note out loud,
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  Speaker 1: cut the bread first. After she berated me for making
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  Speaker 1: the egg sandwiches and then cutting them diagonally instead of
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  Speaker 1: cutting the bread first and then making the sandwiches, she asked,
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  Speaker 1: why do you have to repeat everything I say? I said,
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  Speaker 1: I have a lot to learn from you. It is
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  Speaker 1: very different from photography, and I just want to do
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  Speaker 1: it a good job.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, how the hell do you cut the bread before
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  Speaker 2: making the sandwich?
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  Speaker 3: You can?
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  Speaker 1: You take the bread knife, take your stack of slices
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  Speaker 1: of bread, and you slide, you slice down through, and
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  Speaker 1: then you clean up the crumbs. You set your stacks aside,
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  Speaker 1: and you have these nice, tidy little triangles. She showed me.
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  Speaker 1: It works really well.
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  Speaker 2: But okay, I'll experiment with this. Sorry, sorry I interrupted
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  Speaker 2: carrying it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's very effective.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand isn't more effective, though it sounds like
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  Speaker 3: a lot more.
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  Speaker 1: It did to me, It really did. It did to me.
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  Speaker 1: I was sure she was wrong. I was absolutely sure, Like,
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  Speaker 1: what the fuck is this woman teaching me? You know,
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  Speaker 1: I was just taking my the two scoops because you
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  Speaker 1: had we had a uh ice cream scooper and you
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  Speaker 1: scoop the uh out the sandwich filling out and put
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  Speaker 1: it on the bread, and you had exactly the right amount,
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  Speaker 1: and you'd spread it and it would be but it
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  Speaker 1: gets it goes on. I'll go on with this. But
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  Speaker 1: she said when I said, I just want to do
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  Speaker 1: a good job, she said, there's your first mistake. That's
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  Speaker 1: a platitude. What does it even mean? And I had
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  Speaker 1: no answer. The job got a lot easier when I
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  Speaker 1: stopped focusing on that platitude and started focusing on the
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  Speaker 1: details of my tasks. For example, my manager explained, uh,
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  Speaker 1: there you go. My manager explained, when I was cutting
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  Speaker 1: the sandwiches, instead of the bread, filling was squishing out.
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  Speaker 1: It made the container look messy and the sandwich look
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  Speaker 1: less appetizing. We had these containers that were they were plastic,
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  Speaker 1: and you put the two triangle shaped sandwiches into the container.
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  Speaker 1: The container was triangle, and then we had a label
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  Speaker 1: that you put over the opening. So if the filling
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  Speaker 1: squished out, then it looked like, you know, the sandwich
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  Speaker 1: had been squished. It didn't look so it made the
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  Speaker 1: counter or container look messy and the sandwich look less appetizing.
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  Speaker 1: It made it made it less likely that a customer
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  Speaker 1: would pick that sandwich and buy it for lunch. It
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  Speaker 1: made my workspace messy and also interrupted the flow of
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  Speaker 1: my work when that's the other thing, like the next sandwich,
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  Speaker 1: because now you've got egg salad on your workspace. If
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  Speaker 1: you don't clean up in between sandwiches, then you get
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  Speaker 1: that on the outside of the next sandwich and the next.
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  Speaker 1: Every single sandwich I made looked awfully.
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  Speaker 2: If you're going to cut the sandwiches like lengthways or
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  Speaker 2: width ways, then you still have ninety degree angles. But
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  Speaker 2: if you cutting it diagonally, it means you turn ninety
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  Speaker 2: degree angles into forty five degree angles. It's really it's
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  Speaker 2: difficult to stuff of filling into a forty five degree angle.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna get nothing but crust in those. But this
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  Speaker 2: is this is confounding to me.
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  Speaker 1: These are convenience store sandwiches, and they are classic. You
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  Speaker 1: can find them all over the place, and you can
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  Speaker 1: get them pre made now, like when I worked at
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  Speaker 1: the gas station here in Dayton that I worked at,
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  Speaker 1: those came on a truck, on a refrigerator truck, and
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have to make those. But the sandwiches I made,
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  Speaker 1: this would have been in the nineties, the early nineties.
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  Speaker 1: These these were different, and these I had to make,
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  Speaker 1: and you just we had a you know how you
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  Speaker 1: you ice cake with a particular type of spatula that
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  Speaker 1: looks like it was made to use to paddle people
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  Speaker 1: long and skinny, or or it looks like a cricket
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  Speaker 1: bat with a with a metal as the you know.
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  Speaker 1: Last I got a wooden handle and it's got a
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  Speaker 1: metal piece. So that's what we used to spread the sandwiches.
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  Speaker 1: And you could you could make it really neat and
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  Speaker 1: tidy with that, as long as you learned how to
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  Speaker 1: use it properly. But but yeah, so I had made
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  Speaker 1: a mess of my work. She gave me a piece
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  Speaker 1: of advice, and one of those pieces of advice was
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  Speaker 1: stop focusing on doing a good job and focus on
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  Speaker 1: actually what you are doing. When the manager had initially
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  Speaker 1: gone over the task with me. She had pulled out
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  Speaker 1: a container of bread, sliced each piece, which I have
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  Speaker 1: that explained wrong because when I say sliced each piece,
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  Speaker 1: I mean all of them, not individually. She went down
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  Speaker 1: a stack, and you just have to keep your hand
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  Speaker 1: on the bread like I always put my left hand
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  Speaker 1: over the corner of the stack, so I would have
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  Speaker 1: like four pieces or more in my hand and my
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  Speaker 1: two fingers on top, and then where the knife was slicing,
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  Speaker 1: I would just go straight down through the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: And since you're slicing, you're not cutting down. It's a
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  Speaker 1: serrated bread knife. It just goes straight down through and
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  Speaker 1: that much pressure. Because the bread is rough, it holds
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  Speaker 1: itself together it it doesn't move, and you don't get
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  Speaker 1: out of place on any of the slices of bread,
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  Speaker 1: and then you just set it aside. My first time,
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  Speaker 1: a few times doing it, I had to slice the
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  Speaker 1: bread in smaller, separate stacks, so I sliced each each
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  Speaker 1: piece separately. Then then she pulled out the filling in
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  Speaker 1: the containers, took the price gun dated the containers, so
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  Speaker 1: everything was already set up. You don't price them afterwards,
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  Speaker 1: you don't put any pressure on them. Afterwards, after you
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  Speaker 1: sticker the label on, you slap it on and you
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  Speaker 1: put it in the case. You don't have to mess
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  Speaker 1: around with it anymore so assembly lines title style. She
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  Speaker 1: titally manufactured and packaged the sandwiches and put them in
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  Speaker 1: the cooler. When she showed me I hadn't paid attention
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  Speaker 1: to her order of operations. I had paid attention to
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  Speaker 1: the speed of her work. My sandwiches looked awful, like
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  Speaker 1: brutalist architecture dropped into the midst of an old, beautifully
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: designed section of a city. She wanted me to mop
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  Speaker 1: from across the room to the utility sink to you know,
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  Speaker 1: across the room from the utility sink to the part
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  Speaker 1: of the floor that was right next to it, so
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  Speaker 1: that when I picked up the non rolling bucket we had,
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  Speaker 1: because we didn't have one of those nice janitor buckets,
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  Speaker 1: we just had a bucket and a mob and a
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  Speaker 1: squeegee on the bucket, which you had to be careful
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  Speaker 1: to not accidentally tip over the bucket with. This was
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  Speaker 1: not a sophisticated, expensive operation. She didn't want me to
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  Speaker 1: carry it across the room dribbling it on the clean
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  Speaker 1: floor to go dump it out. So she had a
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  Speaker 1: reason for everything, like there was no it wasn't senseless.
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  Speaker 1: It was mindfulness. Mindfulness is much more important than trying
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  Speaker 1: to be good. She wanted me to cut the bread first,
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  Speaker 1: so many sandwiches would sell instead of going bad and
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  Speaker 1: being wasted. And I was getting a lot of on
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  Speaker 1: the job training that I hadn't thought of as such.
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  Speaker 2: It just to cuts me. How ironic it is the
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  Speaker 2: cliche of man telling a woman to make him a sandwich, when,
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  Speaker 2: if anything, everyone knows how to make a sandwich. Like
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  Speaker 2: boys and girls alive from the age of from the
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  Speaker 2: age of ten, they know exactly how to make a sandwich.
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  Speaker 2: It's the easiest thing you did to do. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, it's a form of English cuisine. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: you don't like English food. We invented the sandwich sandwich
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  Speaker 2: exactly well by by the servants of the other sandwich.
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  Speaker 2: But Sandwich is a town in southeast England. It is
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  Speaker 2: it is British cuisine, so yeah, you all love English cuisine,
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, there's not a man of live who doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know how to make a sandwich, and who knows exactly
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  Speaker 2: how to make a sandwich exactly how he wants. Like,
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  Speaker 2: if I want a complex dish like a curry, then
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to ask Lauren to do it for me.
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  Speaker 2: But if I want a sandwich, I'll fucking make my
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  Speaker 2: own sandwich. It's I don't know, I guess, yeah, but.
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  Speaker 3: There is next time you come up. Next time you come,
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  Speaker 3: I will have plenty of sandwich fixing.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I don't like American bread. It's full of wed that
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: makes it last forever.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Don't buy prepackaged store bought bread unless you go to
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the bakery and get bread that was actually made in
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the bakery, because the stuff that comes off of a
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: truck in a bag isn't real bread, it's bread flavored cake. Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: And you know, I've noticed that, like opening years of
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: buying groceries and everything. You know, you've had a loaf
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: of bread that, you know, if it sat too long,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: it did start to get moldy. And I'm noticing now
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: that it's taking a lot, a lot longer for that
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: process to happen, and it just scares the shit out
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: of me.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: It turns actually turns into insulation before it gets like
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: this really dry, squishy weirdness to it before it gets moldy.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: But now, from my perspective, I suppose bread not getting
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: moldy is supposedly a good thing, because I am allergic
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to bread mol really badly. But we have a bread machine.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so I'll go on with this. I wasn't
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: going to figure stuff out figure that stuff out by
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: wanting to do a good job. I'd only do a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: good job if I paid real attention to what I
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: was being shown, gave consideration to what I was learning,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and then focus on the tasks at hand, instead of
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: worrying exclusively about the image I was presenting to the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: manager of someone doing a good job. One of the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: biggest mistakes people make is putting too much energy into
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: trying to be a type of person, trying to be
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: a good person, a strong person, a smart person, et cetera,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: instead of focusing on what is right in front of them,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: taking in all of the information, giving it full consideration
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: before drawing and acting upon any conclusions about it. It's
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: not that there's anything wrong with valuing virtue and trying
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to embody it and center it in one's dealings with
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: other people. It's that focusing too hard on at one
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: detail of the journey, one can notice a sudden or
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: fail to notice sudden turns or obstacles in the road,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: as well as important resources. It is a short sighted
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: outlook when the destination the answer to the question what
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: kind of life do you live? Or did you live?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Involves a sprawling complex of rooms and hallways containing a
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: variety of many answers about behaviors, conditions, decisions, habits gained, knowledge, relationships,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and many other aspects of your development, your treatment of yourself,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and your treatment of others. Trying to be a type
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: of person oversimplifies the journey as if every little decision
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: you can make can be standardized, duplicated, and automated. Human
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: beings weren't made for that, and has very little useful
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: application when we're dealing with other human beings. Havoc has mentioned, uh,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: store bought bread will mess up your gut and give
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you cancer. So I know for sure about the messing
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: up your gut thing that that is a absolute truth.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, so what gut you started thinking about
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that was this? This is readily apparent to me whenever
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I see someone respond to criticism of someone's Shenanigans by
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: whipping out Handlin's razor to shave the criticism down. It's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: not because it's wrong, but because ye but for the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: sake of trying to be fair, trying to be nice,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: or trying to be diplomatic, in other words, ignoring the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: evidence for the sake of trying to be a good person.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: You forgot about the actual evidence that is before you
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: in the moment, because you're so focused on being a
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: good person doing the right thing that you don't have
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: any focus left for an analytical examination of the person
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: who is trying to sell you some lovely beachfront property
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: in Arizona, along with a heaping load of how feminism
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: helps men too. And now you're trying to educate her.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: While you're trying to educate her, her colleagues in the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: movement are getting another law pass that will give them
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: another inroad to your wallet and another way of throwing
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you under the bus to serve their needs. I've often
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: seen Handlon's razor which I misspelled here huhouser getting used
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to cover for malice that the wheelder doesn't acknowledge, often
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: because it has meaning they don't want to deal with
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: this is common in discussion threads between MRAs and feminists
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: on social media. Some MRAs start discussing a men's issue,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and I hit a point where they have to acknowledge
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: that the snag holding up the reform they're discussing stems
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: from feminism. Like public policy that stems from feminist ideological
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: training of public employees that is funded by federal grants
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: created by federal law that feminists not lobbied for, you know,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: like the Violence Against WOMENAC which has its training for judges,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and it's training for cops, and it's training for prosecutors
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that runs along the Duluthe model, which basically uses patriarchy
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: theory as its guide. So when there's a conflict between
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: men and women, cops and prosecutors and bailiffs and judges,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: all the court personnel, they're all trained to look at
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it through the perspective that any violence, any aggression that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: took place in the conflict is the man trying to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: control the woman as part of the patriarchal keep women
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: under control, men dominate society authoritarian ideal. And this is
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: this is something that's been in place for a long time,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and it's something that has has pretty much governed how
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: domestic violence is handled for a long time, and it
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: did stem from feminist lobbying. There's no denying it. Like
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: that's been traced back. We've talked about it a lot.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: It's very real, right, So they assess the pathway to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: reform has to start at the point where feminist influence
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: gendered everything, which would be like, in that case, the
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Violence Against Women Act needs to be reformed. Years ago,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Save Services wrote an article about that Vawa Neese reformed
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: in order to reduce domestic violence. I don't remember what
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the title actually was, but that was the The upshot
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: of the article was you've got to take the gender
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: out of VALLA or domestic violence is going to continue
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: its cycle. And people got outraged over that article because
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: it pointed out that the majority of domestic violence is
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: actually female initiated. And so you can't you can't stop
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a fight if you don't like, you can't prevent a
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: fight if you don't address both sides of the fight,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and you certainly can't prevent it if you can't prevent
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the first punch from being thrown.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Right, So.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: That discussion starts to take to take place, and some
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: random feminist seize it, or some feminist has posted bait,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: some bit of anti male or anti masculinity rhetoric, lame, blame, shame,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: or devaluation upon men. Now it's some some quote about
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of rapists being men, which is not true,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: but feminists have all got that as their talking point.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: And then I could say, it depends what you count
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: as rape. Yeah, but if you count rapist something as
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: something that can't be committed by women, then you have
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: to wonder what the fuck the one percent is doing. Yeah,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: to qualify as rape, that's something that.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: We can describe on YouTube. I will. I will say that.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: It's like I've experienced that, and I don't think anybody
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: wants to hear that that described.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: But in any case, yeah, you object ladies and gentlemen. Yeah,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: but even in Britain, no matter what object a woman
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: uses to sexually assault the man, it's still just counts
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: sexual assault. I don't know how it works elsewhere, but yeah,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I've already gone too far in this.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: You get well in the UK, if it's not done
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: with a penis, it doesn't count. In the US, if
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the victim is not penetrated, then then it doesn't count, right,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: it's it's a lesser sexual offense. And uh, feminis have
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: assured us that that is not the case. But the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Ohio Supreme Court just interpreted their standard to mean that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the victim has to be penetrated, even though it doesn't
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: say that just a couple of years ago, and that
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: has not changed. And I haven't gotten any response back
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: from any Ohio legislators about that issue. And then so
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: they don't they don't care either they're not getting their communications,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you know, like their interns are not sending them to
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: them because I used to get responses back all the time,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: or they're too busy focusing on something else, or they
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: just don't want to talk about this, right, There's it's
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: kind of hard to like, oh forty seven different emails
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and stuff just got lost in the system. I don't
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: think so. So yeah, so you get this conversation going.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: MRAs respond with information debunking the claim, showing the issues
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: more complex than she's described, And in that context, feminism's
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: contribution to anti mail discriminatory law and policy comes up again. Well, actually,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: it's not that ninety nine percent of rape is committed
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: by men. It's that rape is defined to exclude the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: way that women that women are most likely to perpetrate.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: So if you don't define rape as rape when a
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: woman does it to a man, it doesn't count in
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the statistics, you know. So the next thing that happens
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: after you have this discussion going on between the overtly
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: missandric feminist and the MRAs or MRAs are talking about, well,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: we have to do something about this feminist lobbied law
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: in jumps Fluffy Bunny, the nice feminist who understand some
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: men's issues to tell the men that they've got it
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: all wrong. Their enemy is patriarchy, not feminism. They should
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: be working with feminists or just step back to let
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: feminists do the job for them. After all, feminism is
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: about equality. And thanks Groc for the image. This is
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: it's This was actually a challenge to get because Groc
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't understand the feminist symbol and I kept trying to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: describe it and Groc started telling me it couldn't show
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: me the image it had produced, and I'm like, okay, no,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: that's not what I'm looking for. So Groc is still a.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Little bit Grok is like a child who was raised
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: by feminists for its first fourteen years, and and then
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: and then finally it was adopted by its father, and
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: now it's only just starting to learn that there is
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: a world outside the nightmare with which it was raised
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: for the first fourteen years of its life. When did Twitter,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: it was two thousand and nine, right, two thousand and eight,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: And that's what that's what GROC is basing. It's it's
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: artificial intelligence on everything that's been on Twitter for its
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: entire lifetime. And it was Twitter one point oh for
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: that whole time. So it's yeah, it's it's it's it's
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: only recently begun learning anything outside the feminist paradigm, so
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: it's going to take a long time for it to
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: actually wise up.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's It does have some neat things though,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Like I got I had that discussion with it a
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: while back where I started asking it questions about some
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: feminist terms, and it started giving me the feminist explanation,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and then I started feeding it information that it hadn't
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: found in its search and and with links to sources
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: so that it could read the sources, and it changed
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: its mind. It was it was great, and it got
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: excited about it. It was like, Wow, this is really
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: it's just like I didn't know that the you know.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: But it's it may be that it's just programmed to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: flatter people that feeded information it didn't find itself. So
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: it's it's very possible that that it's uh, it's not
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: thinking and changing. But it was quite an interesting discussion. Nonetheless,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Jen Bottle, to answer your question, I wrote this so
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: part of this is from a long post that I
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: put on X. This part, most of this part isn't
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: is from that post. This is the point where the
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: thread derails. Instead of being about the original topic, it
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: will now be a debate on the merits of criticizing feminism,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: in which the entire history, ideological and academic background, legislative influence,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and social influence of feminism will be questioned, and all
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: related information must be presented for Fluffy Bunny's approval, after
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: which it will be promptly glossed over, dismissed as irrelevant,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: entangled with rhetorical fallacies, or tossed into the misogyny ben
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Oh god, there we go. Now, if we could get
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Tom Packard, Tom to call the politicians, because Tom's one
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: of those guys. We have a conversation with Tom it's
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: going to last. There's always some now, there's always something
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: else to add to the conversation, Like you could talk
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: to Tom for three days and both of you would
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: still have more to contribute to the conversation because of
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: all the shit that would come up. Like that would Yeah,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: that would keep them busy. It'd be like Heaven Grandpa
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Simpson the strike Breaker show up. But that actually would
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: be fun to watch.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: We love you, Tom, We love you Tom. You're a
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: bit too much sometimes, but we love you anyway.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: If I didn't work so much over time, I would
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: spend a lot more time talking to Tom, but just
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: because well, and he also has a wealth of history.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: This article is on the Honey Badger Brigade blog. I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: published it right before the show, actually, so it is
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the show article, so right this minute, if you go
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to the blog, it's the first article you should see.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I think that's the way that still works. Anyway. Fluffy
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: will maintain her stands throughout, regardless of how badly its
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: foundation is damaged, and eventually we'll start playing victim of
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the conversation, deeming people misogynistic and mean for presenting facts
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: she doesn't like and accusing them of blaming and attacking
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: her personally by criticizing feminism. And I think Lauren's been
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: part of a few of these conversations with me, and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: watch these women do this too.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it never fails.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like clockwork. Mm hmm. Oh, shame on
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you guys for saying that. How damn you. This is
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: where Men's Rights Movement longtimers will start pointing out the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: malice in Fluffy's behavior. She's been given the facts and
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: is denying the undeniable while asserting that which has already
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: been debunked, and you know, all in defense of the defense.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: At the same time, Fluffy's victim signaling will ramp up,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: often reaching a hysterical level, with allegations of misogyny and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: meanness flying like debris in a tornado. The thing I
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: didn't add to this is very often she calls in
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a few of her friends, and very often other MRAs
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: joined the fray. So what might have been a thread
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: where five or six people were having a conversation becomes
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: a knockdown, dragout bar brawl food fight with you know,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: thirty seven people. Or there's one thread that I think
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: we were in that had over forty people in it,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: but I think it's finally dead. But every so often
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: somebody goes back and likes one of the comments in
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: that thread, and for a while there were a couple
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: of feminists like you like a comment that they argued
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: with previously, they'll go back and reply to it again.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, o dead, never.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: On on my friends, Yes, oh my god. Yeah. At
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: some point after this, almost inevitably, someone will start White
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: nighting for Fluffy, talking to the thread as if the
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: order of events was Fluffy posting the op and getting
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: attacked is a miss Sandric snake in the grass for
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: promoting promoting malicious feminist discriminatory law and policy, and denial
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: of her experience of the movement without hearing her side
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: of the story when correct did after falsely accusing MRAs
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: in the thread of attacking Fluffy. The then the White
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Knight pulls out Handland's Razor. Maybe Fluffy just doesn't know
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: any better about feminists.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I did wonder how the fuck you were gonna link
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: sandwiches into Handland's Razor club.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: We finally got Yes, we have now cut our sandwiches
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: with Handland's Razor. They are very clean, clean, tidy, sandwiches
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: till you take a bite. Except Fluffy was given a
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: wealth of evidence, and instead of incorporating any of it
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: into her assessment of the ideology she was defending, she
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: freaked the fuck out on everybody and started flinging poo.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: And now she's got MRA's at each other's throats arguing
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: over her. The original topic is dead and they will
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: never get back to it. She has not only successfully
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: derailed a productive thread, but caused a rift and damaged
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: unity and goal oriented cooperativeness among the men in the thread.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: And all she had to do was played dumb. So
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: there you go. That. That's my thoughts on the whole
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Handland's razor thing, like, there are times when you might
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: be able to apply it, but I want people to
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: understand something about this. Okay. There was a book came
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: out in like the early eighties, late seventies somewhere there,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and I can't remember the original title, but it was
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: a book about like expanding on Murphy's law, you know,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: with little corollaries and razors and so on, this and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: that type of ways that things can go wrong. And
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: it was very popular and everybody loved it because back
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: in the day. We loved that type of humor. A
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: lot of it was very dry, and so the guy
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: that wrote it looked for submissions, asked for submissions, and
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: he put out a second book, and I have that book.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Handlan's Razor came from that book, that second book. It
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: was a submission from some guy whose last name was Handlon,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and it is included in a section of the book
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: with other submissions. There are a lot of the adages
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: in that book that are just submissions from people around
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the country that were fans of the first book. So
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: it's not something that like it. It's not from ancient times.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: It's not some long standing principle, it's not something that
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: has been tested throughout the years. It's not like any
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of the the adages that gets used to figure out,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you know, Like it's not like OCAM's razor or oscomes razor.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: However you pronounce it, and I always get whichever way
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I pronounce it, I always get people yelling at me
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and insisting it's pronounced the other way. So now I've
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: said both, so you can both be mad at me.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Double C is very often Italian, so maybe it's.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or like, it's not like Pepperccini Achkam.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: By the ways, shout outs to art Thoughts who commentated
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Gray's law, any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: which I had to look up and it's it's based
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: on Cluck's statement any sufficiently advanced technology that is indistinguishable
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: from magic, And yeah, this is so true, so much
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: truer than Handlon's razor. And it's much like the recently
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: discovered phenomenon that the purpose of a system is what
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: it does. It's amazing it's taken so long for this
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: to become a phenomenon. But yeah, if if if a
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: system consistently does something over and over again and yet
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: claims that that's not what it was trying to do,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: you have to go like, you can claim ignorance, you
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: can claim incompetent, but if you keep doing the same
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: thing over and over again and it keeps having the
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: same detrimental effects, then yeah, no, the purpose of the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: system is what it does, and and it does. At
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: that point, it doesn't even matter if it's malice or incompetence.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: It's it's an amalgamation of both. It's it's stupid people
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: who have been hoodwinked by well malicious people, right, And
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: and that explains an awful lot of what's happened over
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: the last half century or so, I believe.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Well, for instance, what what we've been talking about the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: last few weeks, right, the USA controversy, the the the
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: funding that has been put out there under the umbrella
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: of the Humanitarian Initiative VEIL, right, that oh, we're we're
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: doing good things in other countries, and we're doing good
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: things around the United States. We're trying to be a
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: good nation, we're trying to be a force for good.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Give us money. And then because you're trying to be
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: a good person, you don't object, you don't have a fit.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: You say, oh, we need taxes to build roads. Taxes
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: are important, and they're doing good things with that money,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and we can't very well tell them they can't have it.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to cover some funding to stop domestic violence
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: in the Congo, you know, blah blah blah. And so
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you find out and you you know, when when when
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: this stuff comes out, when we examine it and we
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: read about what they're actually doing with it, that oh
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: they took your your two cents that got contributed to that,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and the two cents of all the other Americans that
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: got contributed to that, and they went over to the
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Congo and started sterilized using the men. Like, how does that,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: how does that do anything about domestic violence? Well, it doesn't.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: It does nothing. It doesn't address the causes, and it
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't actually get anyone out of a domestic violence situation.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: It just.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Reduces the growth of the population of the particular ethnicity
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: that lives in the Congo. But that's not genocide, right,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: And how dare we suggest that because obviously they were
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: just trying to be humanitarian. They're trying to maybe reduce
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: poverty or or provide people with options, except they're reducing
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the size of a population by preventing them from reproducing.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: You know, the way you just pronounced humanitarian, it almost
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: sounded like, you know, like something similar to vegetarian or estarian,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: as if they are actually like eating the humans, which
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: I guess you could argue is kind of what they're doing.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: They are consuming individuals with.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Their you know, yeah, political cannibalism, Yeah yeah, And and
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: in the end they end up like who takes care
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: of the population that they've sterilized when they start aging
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: because in our country, you know, like if if something
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: happened and none of my kids had the skill or
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the capability, and or they didn't want to, in which
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want them to. If they didn't want to
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: take care of me in my old age, I'm gonna
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: be a pain in the ass in my old age, right,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have bad kidneys and I'm gonna get dementia.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: So that's not a good combination. So you know, I
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: go I can go to a facility and stay there.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: It might not be the most pleasant thing for me,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: but I will not starve to death. They won't let
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: me be out in the cold and the weather, wander
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: off into the woods and die anything like that. There
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: will be somebody making sure I eat every day, that
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I was clean every day, that I have a safe
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: place to sleep, and in fact, I will have amenities right,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: physical therapy, entertainment. And then it's not the best situation
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: for the elderly, but it is better than growing old
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: alone if you face the potential for those types of
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: health problems. And so what happens when you sterilize a
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: large segment of the population of a nation that isn't
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: wealthy and doesn't have that kind of infrastructure. This is
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: why I keep calling it us AIDS. Yes, yes, I
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: was in that show, Richard. We talked about Jeffrey Younger,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Younger's case, and he found out that USAIDS had
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: paid for his wife's lawyer. Jeffrey Younger was the man.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: It is the man whose son, one of his two
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: twin boys, was being transitioned by his wife. Right, and
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: this is this is a situation where the wife claimed
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: that the child had gender dysphoria. At the ripe old
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: wise age sage learning takes place up to this age,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: two years old, all right, a two year old might
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: decide she wants to be a bunny rabbit. A two
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: year old might decide he wants to be a fire truck.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: But she was one hundred percent certain that this child
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: knew for a fact that he was a girl trapped
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: in a boy's body.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Well, there's all kinds of dimensions in this could in
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: which this could work. Like a white child might decide
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: they're a black child or vice versa, but people don't
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: take that shit seriously. Like a child might decide they're
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: a firetruck or a bunny rabbit. But no one takes
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: this shit seriously. The only thing anyone takes seriously is
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: a boy deciding they're a girl, or a girl deciding
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: that they were a Why is that? I put it
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: to you that it's because there's a certain ideology that
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: has ravaged our culture and our society and endeared our
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: government for at least a century, and we and it's
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: and it's taken us to this point where the only
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: thing that you can just say you are and there
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: you therefore you are is a certain gender or sex,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: because gender is just used as this fucking stop gap
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: word to pretend that sex isn't sex, but it fuck
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: it is. But yes, I'm talking about feminism. Feminism is
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: ravished our culture for so long that the only thing
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: in any area of science or anything else, spirituality, whatever,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: the only thing that you can say you are and
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: therefore you are, is well a woman. And yes, there
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: are some women who like to say their men, But
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the amount of prominent women who have declared that their
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: men and therefore their men, it can be counted on
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: one hand.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Well, ell Elliott what's his name? I can't remember who
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: But the big thing that I noticed among women who
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: say they're men, is that nine out of ten of
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: them do not really want to be treated the way
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: that men actually get treated. No, no, they do not,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: just saying, but.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: It still follows the same principle that we've for at
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: least a century, we've been ravaged by this idea that
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: men oppress women everywhere and always have, and so something
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: has to be done about this, Uh, this great existential
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: evil that is gender, which again is it's just a
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: linguistic placeholder for biological sex, and therefore anyone who wants
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: to change their sex should be allowed to and no
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: one should be allowed to push back on it, because
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: we need to abolish the idea of biological sex by
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: calling it gender. And yeah, we don't extend this this
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: bollocks to anything except men and women, because for all
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the other ship we're talking about, like race and nationality
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: and what have you like, the the ideology that has
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: destroyed us is a sexual one, and it's it's all
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: based on this completely unscientific, completely un completely fabricated notion
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: that men oppress women everywhere and always have. And it's
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: just it's difficult to get through to the people, not
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: just the people who adhere to this ideology. But people
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: who idea to the peripheree on the outside of it,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: like people who just want to talk about races or
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: immigrants and whatnot. I keep having to ask, like, why
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: can people not change their race just by saying so?
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Why can people not change their nationality just by saying so?
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess they can to some degree. It
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: all sort of depends on things. But people have to
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: go through the motions in order to change their nationality.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: There are no motions people can go through in order
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: to change to change their race. People still understand that
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: you can't change your race just by saying so. That's mental. Well,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: yet all of it is mental. But the only the
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: only thing anyone is accepting is that you can change
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: your sex just by saying so. And I'm like, this
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: is why we've been talking about this thing for ten years,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: because that's that's what's driving all the other stuff, the
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: the wanton destruction of of the difference between men and
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: women big because because we've been taken over by this
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: mad cult about how men are evil and women are
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: victims the end, we can't discuss this. And they've been
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: doing this for so long that that that their current
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: salution to this problem is we can abolish biological sex
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: by calling it something else, and by allowing anyone who
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: calls it something else to call them something else, and
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: then there'll be no such thing as men and women anymore. Like,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: please stop getting distracted by all this other shit. How
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: is it not obvious to you at this point that
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: it's all happening because of this mad cult about how
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: men and pressed women everywhere always have and so we
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: need to oppress, We need to reject the entire yea
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: of men and women, because it's not like it has
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: any basis in you know, in anything that can be
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: scientifically determined. It's not like there's any such thing as genes.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: It's not like there's any such thing as the obvious
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: differences between boys and girls from the age of ten
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: fucking days. It's not like that any of that. Like,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: please please, bros, please cissies, I mean siss with a
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: C or an S. I don't know. It's it's all
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: got a bit muddied. Everything's got a bit muddied. And
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: this is why it's so difficult.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Anyway, it gets to a point where we reach a
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: pathological degree of maintained politeness, right imposed politeness.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Where.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's one thing to be polite in that if
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: you're on public transportation and everybody's hanging on to the
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the poll or the handles hanging from the ceiling, and
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: there's nobody behind you, but there's people in front of you,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: and more people get on and everybody needs to move back,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and you're making room. That's polite, right, and then and
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: it's one thing to you know, we've got I knew
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: a guy whose name was Michael Hunt. And there's a
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: crank call joke where you call, you know, up a
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: bar and say, hey, can you can you help me
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: find my friend or my husband or my brother, my
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: son whatever I think he's there, he call out for
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: him and see if he'll come to the phone. His name,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: his last name is Hunt. First named Michael, goes by Mike,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: and the bartender, if they're not savvy, will will yell out,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: hey is Mike contender here, Mike Hunt, Mike Hunt. And
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: of course you know everybody's gonna laugh at him, and
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: then they know it's a crank call. Right. So Michael
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: did not let people call him Mike. He's preferred to
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: be called Michael. It's very polite to say, Okay, I
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: understand your situation. I will call you Michael, right. And yeah,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: they did showcase that in Porky's Chad King, but I
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: think the joke is older than Porky's.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: It's worth pointing out that the French word for kunt
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: is cool. Michael Kunt just means Mike Kunt.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: There we go, but it's Michael Hunt, Michael Hunt.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: I think col means us in French. Sorry, oh god,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I ask Hunt.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: That would be even worse. But but in any case,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and this this kid, his family like his
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: last his his dad's last name was Hunt. Michael was
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: a family name on his mother's side, so it was
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: handed down. So he that he ended up with that name,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: not because his parents were stupid, but because you know,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: this was this was tradition, and he just she just
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: happened to marry somebody with a disadvantageous last name. In
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: terms of you know, joke writing. There was a story
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: that we all got. But in any case, obviously, when
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: you know somebody with with that situation, you accommodate, right,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: But that type of politeness gets used to step on
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: people's toes, to push boundaries and to slide things under
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the radar that should not be under the radar, like, well,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: if it's polite to do that, then it's also polite
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: to use my pronouns change the English language to make
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: my lifestyle choices more acceptable. And it's just politeness. If
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: I get a law pass that says you go to
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: jail if you don't do what I say. You know,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I want my pronouns to be your highness and all
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: greatness belongs to you. You have to use those pronouns
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: or you go to jail. You're not being polite if
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: you don't agree, right, that's not the same. That's not
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: a situation where somebody's at a disadvantage if you don't
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: go along with what they want and you're accommodating somebody's needs,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: you know, for social interaction, that isn't hostile in that instance.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: It starts out with hostility. It starts out with I'm
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: going to impose on you, and the concept of politeness
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: gets turned against you as a means of suggesting that
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: you are not allowed to object to being told what
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: to say. A lot of times people will turn around
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: and say, well, they don't mean it that way. I mean,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: it would be nice if everybody could just get along, right,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: wouldn't that be nice if everybody could just get along?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: But if everybody just getting along means this person gets
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: to step on you and you keep your mouth shut
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: so that everybody can just get along, it's not peaceful.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Even if it looks peaceful, it's not.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Going to say it on Tuesday about how the British
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: too polite and that's uh, sort of explains why the
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: British were the first to abolish slavery and uh, and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: they're the first to be blamed for slavery. The Americans
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: stopped slavery two hundred years ago, and they're being constantly
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: blamed for for slavery. Like if you're the if you're
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: the first country in your region to abolish the army,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: guess what's going to happen. You're going to get fucking
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: invaded by all the armies around you. So if you're
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: if you're excessively polite, then it's it's it's what so
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: many people are calling cultural suicide. But it's not. It's
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: just is cultural burying head in the sand, its cultural
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: lying down taking it like there's there's there's there is
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: a happy medium to be found, and it is being
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: reasonably polite. But but if if those around you aren't
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: being polite people that you should not beeople like, if
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: everyone around you is trying to fuck you up, then
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: you push the hell back.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of where Germany finds itself,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: right because of their tated history. They are trying to
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: be so polite to the point where they are now
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: allowing their country to be overrun by non citizens. And
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: you know they really feel like, I mean, Germany, Sweden
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: is doing it too, but you know, Germany has the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: the the the history right, Germany.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Has been Germany has been kind of fast into it
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: ever since the Treaty of the Sai, ever since the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: First and Second World was. Everyone's gonna like, no, fuck you,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: We're never letting you have any sense of nationalism ever again,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: just in case you do this bullshit again. Yeah, And
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: you know that's that's largely not their fault. And and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: and now they have this a FD party where they're
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: trying to push back on it, and and and the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: rest of the EU is kind of go, no, you know,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: we're not going to let you win this election. We're
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: going to do everything we can to make you lose
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: this election. And yeah, so in their case, it's not
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: just self imposed politeness, it's it's politeness that's been and
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: posed on them by everyone around. The same with Japan,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I think, for the same reasons, because they were part
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: of the access Powers and they, you know, Japan really
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: did do some horrendous bullshit in World War two and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: and and now they're facing the effects of being forced
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: to be polikey by everyone around them. So it's it's
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: it's it's sort of difficult to hold them entirely to
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: blame for their things. And you know, the people who
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: do this right the most, believe it or not, are
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: the Americans. I know there's a certain stereotype that Americans
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: are very loud and rude, but especially applies to Southern
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: state Red Americans, like they're somehow the rudest, most racist
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: people in the world. Couldn't be further from the truth.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Like Americans, especially Southern Americans, exceptionally polite, especially to people
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: who come into their charity, like how hi, how are you?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: I love you? Do you love me too? If you
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: fuck with them, they'll pull a gun, Don't get me wrong,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: but you know, just don't fuck with them, and you'll
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: be fine. That's what I mean about the happy medium.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: You know, it speaks softly and carry a big fucking gun.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: It's not difficult.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, and and actually, uh, you know, you go to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: any area of the South and find yourself in the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: hospitality of individuals that live there, you will never go hungry.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: You will never want for a place to sleep. If
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: you need dry clothes, you get dry clothes. If you
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: need somebody to sit and let you bend their ear
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: for half the night because of something that's going on
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: in your life, they'll do it. They're very very like.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: People claim to be humanitarian, right, people claim to care
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: about their fellow human being. But then you get people
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: from Louisiana who will drop everything and take one of
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: their more expensive possessions and go high tailing it over
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: to Texas and use it to save people's lives at
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: the risk of losing it and losing their own lives.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: There was during the during the hurricane in the eastern
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: side of Hurricane Katrina that had all the flooding and unpreparedness,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: where the local governor had failed to listen to the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Army Corps of Engineers when they said, hey, you need
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: to do these things, and they didn't do them, and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: they suffered consequences. Right during that time, word got out
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: in Texas that they needed food. In New Orleans, people
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: just filled their trucks with foods and drove out there.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Right during the the one that hit South Carolina, right,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: men in trucks showed up to rescue people from the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Men in a helicopters, men who had pilot's licenses showed
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: up to just rescue people from their homes. They didn't
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: worry about whether or not they were going to get
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: paid or even reimbursed later. They didn't worry about whether
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: they were going to get a thank you. They just
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: worried about whether or not other people were okay. Right,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: That's that's the way Southerners are. That's what you see
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: everywhere in the South, and and it's beautiful. And then
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: people turn around and call them racist and hateful and
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: make fun of their accent, which their their accent is different,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: all right. Sometimes it's hard to understand if you're from
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: a part of the country that has a much more
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: uptight accent. And and I as we in the United States,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: like we handle being warm and cold very differently, right,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: You you cool off by opening your mouth very very
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: wide when you when you say your vowels, so you know,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: you get eye and all that. But as you get
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: close to the north and the farther north you get
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: where you know, you're in the upper peninsula of Michigan area,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: where you're up in Wisconsin, you get you get to
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: the point where people try to not open their mouths
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: at all when they're talking, and you get this ddity
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin accent and it's I swear to you it's because
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: of the temperature. But in any case, yeah, we don't
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: we don't always understand each other. But like, this country
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: is a big family in a lot of ways. Unfortunately
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: it makes us vulnerable, right, just like earnestness and straightforwardness
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: and good intentions, being acting in good faith makes men vulnerable.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: For for years, a couple of centuries, actually, women have said,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: we're victims of the system you set up to protect
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: us from from the government. Coverture was a system wherein
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: the husband and father in the families were the shield
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: between the entire rest of the family and the harshness
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: of the relationship between family unit and government. The government
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: wants your money. The government wants your labor, and the
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: government wants to control your behavior. So the guy had
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: his back to the government and has faced his family
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: and managed his family and anything that went wrong, and
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: the government's wrath would come down on his shoulders and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: not theirs. That's what coviture was about, right, and women said,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: we're victims of that. It keeps us from doing things
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: we want to do. We want to be out from
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: under that. Men said, okay. And as soon as women
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: started seeing consequences for choices they made that the government
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: didn't like or that didn't work within a functional society,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: then they started saying, well, you got to protect this
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: from the consequences of those actions, because we want to
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: be able to do those things without consequences. Men said, okay.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: You know, so we had laws passed and women couldn't
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: be discriminated against. When when seeking credit with banks, women
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: couldn't be discriminated against by the government. Women had to
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: get paid the same as men in the workplace, you know,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: you had to prove that she had a different job
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: or or you had to pay the same. Right. You
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: couldn't discriminate in promotion practices either. So you know, women
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: women have every opportunity that men have. Women, of course,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: are getting taxed the same as men if they're single
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: and they don't have any children. But women didn't want
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: to be taxed the same as men if there were
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: heads of household. So we have this system that gives
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: them their money back, and some of yours called the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: welfare system. Right, we have all these things out there.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Women didn't want to be stuck in a relationship if
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: they chose badly and shit went south. Right, Men are
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: stuck in a relationship if they choose badly and shit
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: goes south. If they're being abused, there's not much support
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: for getting them out. And if they attempt to gain
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: justice through the justice system by going to the police
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: and describing what their abuser did to them, if their
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: abuser is female, they might get arrested themselves. Instead of
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: getting help, you know, they might get told there's nothing
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: we can do. You just have to go stay in
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: a hotel. Sorry about not having any money. Well, there's
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: a homeless shelter down the street. You can stay there.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: But he's not homeless, he's an abused man. Right, But
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: meanwhile he's getting the shit taxed out of him to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: pay for shelters that women can go to where they
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: have advocates that will go to court with them, that
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: will encouraged them to allege abuse if they're trying to
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: get custody of their children, and they'll encourage them to exaggerate,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: to lie, to file for false restraining orders, frivolous restraining orders,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: all kinds of malicious stuff. And it all falls under
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: the rubric of hashtag believe women. Right. If she says
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: she was abused, she was abused. If she says she
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: was raped, she was raped. It doesn't matter that there's
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: video of him being across town at the time that
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: she said it happened. He must have still found a
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: way to do it. His magic dick was in her
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: location while he was at the pharmacy. That's what it was,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: right and all because, in men's straightforwardness, in men's good faith,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: they have given women every legal advantage, every cushion, every shield,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: every safety net they possibly could, including the ability to
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: lie with impunity to the justice system at every level,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: including the ability to wreak havoc on other people's lives
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: and then walk away unscathed. And when women do that,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: it's not because they don't know any better. It's not
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: because they don't understand the damage they're doing right when
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: the judge allows her to get away with perjury that
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: everyone in the court can tell is perjury when the
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: judge doesn't penalize her in any way for saying, this
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: guy was at this location at this time on this
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: day and did these things and sticking with that story
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: after you produce video that shows no, actually, you were
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: ten miles away at another location doing something else. It's
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: not because the judge doesn't understand this situation. It's because
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: he has to do it because laws have been passed
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: that create policy that funds training and repercussions. If he
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: rules against feminism, if he rules against hashtag believe women,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: if he punishes her for lying about you, that is
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: the situation. So when we talk about these issues and
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: we talk about the malice behind them we talk about,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: feminists know that they are doing harm. Nice feminists know
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: that they are shielding the National Organization for Women from
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: criticism when they go into the legislature and argue that
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: fathers shouldn't have custody rights over their children like mothers
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: do because fathers are deadbeats and abusers. They know they're
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: shielding that. They know that's a lie, and they know
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: that it's being used to keep children from having access
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: to their fathers and to keep fathers from having their
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: relationships with their children, being able to mentor them and
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: watch them grow. It's not ignorance, it's not innocence, it's
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: not incompetence. It's malice, and that malice is in place
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: in the UK right now.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: With this.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Series, this Netflix series called Adolescence, being used by politicians
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: to try to get laws passed that will allow them
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: to control who you talk to and what you can
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: say to each other. They're not doing that because they
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: really think that the stuff that is being indicated by
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: these propaganda pieces like that series and some of the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: other series that are on Netflix, and what Disney's doing
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: and what the media is publishing, and so they don't
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: think that stuff's true. They know that's not true, but
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: they think it'll act as cover for the malice that
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: they're engaging in. They think that it'll force you to
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: shut up and put up and allow them to put
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: that through so that you know your your speech can
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: be more effectively controlled.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: It has to be said, and this is not from
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Anda's raising. Most British people don't know it's not true. Again,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: this is a handful of malicious bustards manipulating millions of
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: incompetent bustards. And this is where the discrepancy comes into it.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: There's an awful amount of British people who just listen
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: to the television and they think they're being told the truth,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: and and so and and so the government tells them
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: to watch Netflix and the adolescent series, and so they
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: watch it and they go, oh, man, this is so true.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: We really need to crack down on our thirteen year
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: old sons and in the you know, if you if
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: you press them on any of this at all, and
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: you tell them, you know, you probably shouldn't trust the government,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: they'll go, oh, of course, I don't trust the government.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: I hate the government. The government's awful. They fucking everything up. Like, well,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: the government's fucking telling you this. Like everything you see
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: on the TV is controlled by the government, literally, not
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: like not just with extra steps, like directly everything you
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: see and hear on the television is controlled by the government.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: And yet you carry on watching this ship and you
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: think you're being told anything resembling the truth. But you
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: can't get it through to it. I mean, particularly the Boomers,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: and they did any generation that's that's been sat in
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: front of the TV for their whole lives, and they
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: think they're being told the truth. They think there is
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: any distance between the television and the government. And it's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: when when to quote a certain person, you can't fit
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: a cigarette paper between the television and and and the government.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: But but they can't see it because it's it's all
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: they've ever known. Like I said, it's it's it's like
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: someone who's been going to church every Sunday for their
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: entire life. So of course they're going to think the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: church is telling them the truth. Well, multiply that by
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: seven and you get the people who've been sitting in
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: front of the TV for seven days a week for
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: their entire lives. And you can't you can't get you
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: can't get this truth to people. And they and they
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: and they're really not being malicious. I mean they're adopting
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: the malice of the government and and and and in
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: that sense they are spreading the same malice. But it's
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: because of their incompetence. I mean, the average person is incompetent.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: I mean everyone's incompetent to some extent, but it sounds
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: the reason the average person has an average level of incompetence,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: and we just happened to live in an age where
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: that average level of incompetence has been weaponized by the malicious,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: by the most malicious among us. And again, this is
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: why Handlon's razor is bullshit and always has been. But
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: it's it's again why why it is important too to
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: recognize where where that boundary is between the manipulations of
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: the malicious and the shortcomings of the incompetent. It's all
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: you know, nothing nothing, nothing's nothing is black as white,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: nothing's as black and white as it can be. But yeah,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: at the same time, it's yeah, it's it's fucking complicated,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: it really is.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Our man mentioned made for TV movies on Lifetime television,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: and Oxygen is another one. All these channels that are
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: made for women and and daytime dramas that are made
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: for women that are they are target audiences women. Uh,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: And the ones that are obvious are like Law and
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: Order and Law and Order SVU and all the that
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: whole spectrum of stuff. But it's not just that stuff, right,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Charmed with which was a TV show about uh, fictional witches,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and that there was another show
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: with a character from Buffy the Vampire Slayer that got
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: his own show that spin off. Like those types of
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: shows where the target audience is moms who are, you know,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: housekeeping at home and their kids are at school and
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: their board or whatever. I guess I think boredom might
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: be why people watch TV. I don't know. I haven't
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: had cable the whole time I've been an adult. I
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: don't cable is useless. So but it goes back farther
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: than that, right, And I talked about this on Tuesday.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Y'all remember All in the Family? Mm hmmm, that was
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: a show. All in the Family was a sigh out, right.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: It was intended to portray having boundaries and recognizing the
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: differences between people and not accepting being told that any
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: time there's a conflict between you and the other guy,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: it's it's on you to change. Like those those things
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: are portrayed as stupid and rude and obnoxious, right, And
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: at the other end of it, it was intended to
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: portray the common white white guy, blue collar you know
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: dude as as particularly of the generation before the Baby
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: boomer generation. I believe they're known as the greatest generation.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Those guys are portrayed in it as rednecks, right, Not
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: the good type of redneck, not the plugger that we
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: know as a redneck, but at the old fashioned use
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: of the term. Somebody who's an ignorant amos, who is
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: judgmental and angry and self should mean and wallows in
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: his ignorance and engages and hate against his fellow human
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: being and has to be taught how to be around
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: other people. The show had a lot of good lessons
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: in it, but they were all sandwiched in among that.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: And I have to wonder how much Gen X grew
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: up watching on TV, how many things we watched that,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: you know, the messages were a lot more subtle, like
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: millennials make in television shows and even Gen xers make
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: in television shows today. They're not very good at the
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: subtlety that boomers had when they were doing it. But
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: it's all a sigh up. It's all propaganda designed to
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: break down your sense of self and to make you
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: feel bad about being a man, or to make you
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: feel bad about being an American, or make you feel
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: bad about being a Southerner or a Northerner or white
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: or you know, a middle class person, a worker who
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: has a job, any of those things that that can
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: be somebody can be victim of of not having your circumstance. Uh.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: You you're supposed to feel bad about that. And that
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: starts out. That's an attack on your identity, right, And
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: it starts out giving you a reason to want to
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: abandon your identity, and it continues with further demonization and
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: and then the way out is to adopt their ideology.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Our man says, I was told that a lot growing
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: up that I needed to change. Everybody else was just fine,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: and they were as they were and had already transcended
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: into a higher state of being. And yes, that's uh,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: that's pretty much the uh, the situation that we grew
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: up with, right, it's part of why we don't like
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: our generation doesn't give a fuck. We used to play
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: games where we insulted each other for fun, and it
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't about hurting people's feelings, like you really had some
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: respect for somebody that had the best, most creative insult
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: that didn't sound like they stayed up all night trying
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: to think it up, you know, like I had. One
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: guy tried too hard told me I mutated from a
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: lone germ after it crawled across chemical waste in a
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: sewage plant, and oh my god. At first I was like, yeah, wow,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: that one. I don't think I could beat that. I
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: don't think I. But one of the other guys was like,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: how long did you did it take you to stay
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: up thinking about that last day? To think that up?
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. That particular guy was pretty clever.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: He might have actually come up with that on the spot,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: because I remember him being able to do He was
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: really good at that, and he never It's like it
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: was always silly stuff like that. He didn't try to
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: be deliberately overtly mean right, like anybody could have made
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: fun of my nose. My nose has always been a
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: little bit big, to the degree that one of my
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: friends who's an artist, painted an accurate profile of me
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: and her art professor dinged her on the nose and said,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: nobody has a nose that big. You know, your friend's
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be insulted when she sees this picture. And
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I looked at the picture and I was like,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: what's what's he saying? What's wrong with that picture? I
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: don't understand. So she took a photograph of me in
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: profile and took it into class to show him, Oh,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: this is this is real and he was shocked, like
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: and I never felt bad about it, right, that was
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: not I always laugh at that because it's just a nose.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: It's not like you know, something that's a big deal.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: It's it's how I breathe. But if I, you know,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: in high school, somebody goofing around with throwing back and
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: forth insults, wanted to really get in a good dig,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: you know, they would they would have started on my nose, right. Uh,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: we all know hen is on our way to school
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: when her nose arrives at the door three minutes early,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: you know, or something along those lines. Nobody did that
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: right in my school. We didn't do it like that.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like that. And that guy wouldn't have done
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: that right because it wasn't creative. That was too obvious
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: and he didn't know whether or not it would hurt
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: my feelings, so so he didn't do that. But but yeah,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: like we we don't give a fuck because we grew
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: up learning not to give a fuck. We had all
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: these messages thrown at us, and I think in a
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: lot of ways, the result ended up being that we
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: were so bombarded and so inundated with guilt that we
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: were like, you know what, screw it, we can't do
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: anything right, we don't have to do anything.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: So but.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: That how that connects to what we were talking about
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of gen xers in the United States, you know,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: you have this sort of divide among this. There are
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: those of us that are sort of immune to these
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: kinds of syops now because of that, and then there's
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: the other half that swallowed every last bit of that guilt. Right,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: they ate it like the monster in that Raggedy Ann
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: a Handy cartoon eating all the candy, going after raggedy
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Ann's candy heart. And they never could fill up, They
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: never could get enough, they never could swallow enough guilt.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: And so now they're limitting it back up all over
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: the country and all over you know the world. And
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: that's where you end up with this push for we're
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: gonna make this this TV show or this Netflix series,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: or this you know movie, or this video game, or
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: write this article or have this blog that makes you
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: out to be the bad guy makes you out to
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: be the villain of the story and the villain of
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: the world, and you have to take it. You can't
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: criticize it, you can't question it. You have to change
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: based on what we've said, even if it doesn't make
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: any sense, even if you're part of the group that
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: we're portraying, and you know that your group is not
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: like that. We have spoken, and therefore the guilty have spoken,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: and therefore the those who are targeted with more guilt
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: must comply. Well, you don't have to do that. And
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: they're not innocent, they're not incompetent, they're lying to you.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: Don't buy it. Our man gave us twenty dollars and said,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: thanks for the mention of my comments and what you
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: all do. I've been watching you all for a few
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: years now. Thank you, Thank you, arman. We really wouldn't
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: be able to accomplish anything if people didn't listen to
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: us and go out into the world and push on
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: that Overton window. For those that don't understand, the Overton
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: window is the window of what is accepted in society
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: and what's considered the norm, what's considered polite speech, what's
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: considered normal common morality and so on. And so when
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: the Overton window says violence in the home is always
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: men beating women and we have to clamp down on that,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: and you push and say, well, actually, sometimes it's women
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: beating men, and we have to clamp down on that too.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: That puts pressure on legislators to not just ignore the
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: parts of the men's rights movement that are pushing for change,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: to get laws changed and policy changed and funding changed
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: so that men who have that experience get helped too.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: And when women lie about having that experience, men's do
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: process rights or recognize and they have recourse against that.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: We are the Overton window because we are completely transparent
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: and nobody can see us except through any reflections that
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: might happen. You can only see ten percent of a
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: reflection through a glass window. Well that's all we get.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: We're invisible, but only when we tell the ny good truth.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Mmm uh all right. So I did cover the two things,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: the two points that I wanted to make with regard
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: to how Handland's razor is getting exploited US AIDS and
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: the adolescents phenomenon, and how it relates to propaganda. But
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: did I bring up anything out that you guys wanted
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: any further discussion on before we finish up.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: You brought up more than I could have thought of myself.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, you know, I just when this started, when
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I started getting into arguments with people on X about
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: you know, can't you can't use Handland's razors a thought
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: terminating cliche like this. I just I just wanted to
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: have this discussion on the show because we've been delving
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: into a lot of things, right, the history of how
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: voting happened, how how voting became a thing in Western civilization, right,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: and why it is a lie to say that it's
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: divorced from military service and taxation. And that's going to
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: lead us into a little bit of war history in
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: the United States in the future, and that's gotten interrupted
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: by the US AIDS thing. But all of that is
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: going to require that we're able to take a look
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: at the information without feeling obligated to cushion people from criticism.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: And that includes feminists, our own country, people of different
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: races and religions and backgrounds, and so on, soldiers that
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: have fought in wars. We're going to have to be
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: able to tear into the information and evaluate its application
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: to men's issues discussion and how that how that relates
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: to our activism in the future, Like when we look
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: at what has been done and what non straightforward things
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: have happened that have have led to the traps that
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: men are in today, you know, and we look at
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: what we need to change and how we need to
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: change it. We have to be able to say, no,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: you can't guilt trip us for talking about this, and
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: know you can't guilt trip us for presuming malice where
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: malice is evident.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: You're a conspiracy theorist. Yes, yes, that's the line that's
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: thrown us. Yeah, yeah, you know, people whose job it
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: is to conspire do sometimes conspire, and believe it or not,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: they might do it maliciously, I mean mental, I know,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: but it's a distinct possibility.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is very much so. Uh And in fact,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's always malicious. I don't think that that
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: conspiratorial practice was ever innocent. I'm not sure that it
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: was ever patriotic, and I have my doubts that it
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: was ever intended as benevolent to protect people's safety. So yeah,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: you can call me a conspiracy theorist, dear public right,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: I have lots of conspiracy theories.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: Originally, the idea of government was to prevent the malice
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: of the ruling class, which was at the time the monarchy.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: And you could make a case for that because at
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: the time the monarchy had absolute power. But I think
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: by now we've learned our lesson that we've replaced a
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: malicious power with a power that has even more potential
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: for malice. Because the royalty never really spoke for the
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: working class. They they always spoke for that was the
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: clubs could not speak for. But now we have a
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: ruling class that purports to speak for the working class,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: and they don't because they're just as corrupt as the
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: royalty ever were. But now they have this patina over
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: them where they can act exactly like royalty. Yet yeah,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: they can pretend to speak for the clubs, but they
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: don't because they have the same power. They have more
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: power than the royalty ever had because there's fucking millions
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: of them. Like when royalty was in charge, they literally
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: just had a handful of people and who could oversee
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: the destinies of the general populace. But now we have
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: millions of people who purport to speak for the destinies
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: of of of the plabs and that doesn't and that
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they're in a better position to do so.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: This means they have more power. The government has more
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: power than any royalty ever did. And you know, I'm
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: not saying we should abolish the government, just saying we
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: should fucking we should, well, we should, we should. We
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: should shrink it as far as we can possibly shrink it,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: possibly back to the point of monarchy, and you know,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: beyond that we go to absolute anarchy, and at that
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: point it's a very difficult discussion, possibly for another day.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, and and it's something that not all
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: m ras are going to agree on, and that's that's
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: we don't have to agree on it to be able
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: to recognize certain things like, for instance, in the United States,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: there are agencies in the federal government departments and agencies
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: for women, just for women, and in the UK they
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: are similar. I think they call them ministries instead, but
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: they're basically departments and agencies for women, but not for men.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: And that needs to be evened out. If there's going
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: to be stuff like that for women, then men's interests
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: also need to be looked out. For there's always going
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: to be the risk though the men's agencies and departments
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: will become feminist run. So it's the job of the
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: pro government authoritarian types in the men's rights movement to
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: consider the idea of equal uh creation and access to
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: parts of the government machine. Right, And it is the
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: job of anarchists and libertarians and as we get closer
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: to you know, the pro government and conservatives and such
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: within the men's rights movement to consider the fact that, okay,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: what happens after you create it? How do we keep
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: it from becoming just another feminist agency for women with
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: the name men slapped over it so people won't complain
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: abolished feminism? Yeah, out all that shit.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: That's a good stop. I I would love to see that.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: I would love to see it declared a religion. Feminism
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: declared a religion or cult occult would be even better, because.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: That's not gonna work either, certainly not in mic Nou
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: loves religions.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: In the States, then then it would it would preclude
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: feminism having control over the government.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: You can the First Amendment. I wish we had one, yeah,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: very much.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: So it makes a huge difference in how things get done.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Like the Catholic Church can't come in and say, well,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: you have to do things our way, and the federal
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: federal government, here's the Catholic Church say that it's gonna
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: turn around and say fuck you. Uncle Sam says no, right, yeah,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: they have to. They would have to be sneaky and go,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: and they'd have to find back back doors and in
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: roads that aren't overtly Catholic control over the government. And similarly,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: if the government comes along and says, well, the Catholic
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Church has to teach that uh aliens are all actually
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: demons and when they get here, we have to kill them.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: All right, that has to be taught in all of
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: your all of your churches, all of your cathedrals. It
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: has to be your CCD classes have to include that.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: And you know, the Catholic Church can turn around and say,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: Uncle Sam, get the fuck out. You don't belong here,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: it's not your job, and we don't have to listen
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: to you. And if Uncle Sam doesn't listen, then the
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: court systems decide. Right, that is exactly how that that
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: is exactly how that works. And it's happened multiple times.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: There's been multiple instances where there's been battles, it's been
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: duked out over everything from policy and whether or not
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: a charitable organization can make certain stipulations when they use
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: government funding to do trity work to this group's religion
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: allows them to use this drug that everybody else isn't
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: allowed access to, but it's part of this group's religious ceremonies,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: and so they can have it, right, And this the
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: launch once to know who's molesting their micted Mike, Yeah,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: that was me. So if Mike is molesting the mic,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: we won't go there. I'm just auto flagellation, micro beating. Yes,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: we just heard the doctor burp. But but yeah, so
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: it's nice to have that. And I think if feminism
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: was deemed a religion or a cult, we would have
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: more power to say you can't demand things be a
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: certain way just because it's feminists. Because when we went
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: through that US AIDS funding and the other agency and
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: departmental fund funding in the the application that allowed us
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: to look up, you know, who was funding what, we
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: saw a lot of stuff that was funded because it
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: was feminist, not because it was for women, not because
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: it was for healthcare, not because it was against crime,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: but specifically because it was feminist, and that couldn't happen
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: if feminism is a religion.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: Uh, we have.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: Richard Bierre gave us ten dollars and said, surround your
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: arm machine.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Is there anyone in the audience who doesn't know that
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: story at that point? Do you want Hannah to tell you?
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not tell that. Nova f in twenty one gave
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: us a dollar in staid. If feminism got outloud, feminists
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: would rename themselves to women's rights and human rights for
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: women left. The outrage to Dodge would pale in comparison
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: to feminism being outlet. Oh yeah, they would totally rebrand
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: and try to come back, but it could still.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: Be they already rebranded themselves to d Ei and now
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: that that is being phased out, they're rebranding that to
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: something else. We'll just keep just keep rebranding. We just
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: need to teach people these simple rules of language that
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what you fucking rebrand something as long
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: as it means the same fucking thing.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pretty much. But in the meantime, just remember,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: do not let people try to use admonitions of trying
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: to be a good person and trying to be polite
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: and trying to be straightforward, right, and trying to act
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: in good faith to stop you from noticing information that's
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: right there in front of you and considering all of
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: it when you make your decision as to whether or
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: not to trust what someone's telling you, whether or not
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: to trust what someone's doing, and so on. Right, do
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: not accept the idea that if someone pulls out Handlan's razor,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: you have to shut the fuck up when you've been
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: criticizing someone. And Mangaka ninety two pointed out, there is
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: a part of that adage, which is the original wording
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: is never never attribute to malice that which can be
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: adequately adequately explained by stupidity. And the fact is the
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: term adequately is subjective. Right, There are people who think
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: adequately of adequately as making a certain minimum. You have
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: to actually fully explain something with or it's not adequately explained.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: If there's other evidence that isn't taken into consideration in
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: your explanation, it's not adequately explained. But there's a lot
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: of people who treat it like adequately means the bare minimum.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: You know, if you're mopping a floor and you have
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: a bucket of water and you just keep dipping the
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: mop in the bucket and getting the floor wet. You've
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: adequately done the job in their eyes, even if you
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: didn't ring it out, even if you didn't clean it,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: even if the water was so dirty by the end
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: that you were actually making the floor worse, Well, you
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: mopped it.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: Let's compare it with Ockham's razor, which is sort of
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: the most popular thing that's called a razor. It's about
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: not multiplying entities unnecessarily, which sort of when it comes
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: down to mathematics, it means if there's one thing with
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: a one in a thousand chunce and there's one thing
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: with a one in a huntundred chants, then you should
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: go with the one in one hundred chance. Is it?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: Sort of?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: It makes objective sense, right, You're right down to brass tax.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: That's not the case with comparing malice with with incompetence, Like,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: why should incompetence be any more likely than malice? What's
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: the mathematical basis for that? There isn't one. It's it's
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: just it's just an adage that people throw at things
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: to excuse malice, Like we're not trying to excuse a
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: thousand and one chance by throwing one hundred and one
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: chance at it. Now, what all we can do is like,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: look at the closest thing we can find to objectivity,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: and numbers are well, really are the closest thing we
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: can find to have objectivity. There's no there's no numbers
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: involved with there's nothing resembling science on mathematics in Handlan's razor.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: It's just please, please, bro, We're not being malicious. We
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: just didn't know. We're still gonna do the thing, but
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: we just didn't know.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and that's that's the reason why it's important
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: to pay attention to intentions.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: It's if you if you presume everybody incompetent, you go
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: through the process of trying to teach them better over
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: and over again, ineffectively because you know they've learned that
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: they can use that to get away with misbehaving.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: But if you recognize when evidence shows that it's not
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  Speaker 1: incompetence it's malice, then you can put the kebash to
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  Speaker 1: the behavior you have. You can draw a boundary and
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: when they're they cross the boundary, you can say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you've crossed the boundary. You knew it was there. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: this is not incompetence. This this is actull malice, consequences
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  Speaker 1: shall ensue. They will never be the same. They will
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: never be the same. Yep, that's it. And so it's
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  Speaker 1: it's the difference between whether or not you are justified
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: in hitting back in self defense rather than just saying
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: over and over again, please don't do that, that's not nice.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's important to be able to recognize that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes incompetence doesn't sufficiently explain anything. And sometimes when somebody
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: has seen evidence and is responding to somebody as one
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  Speaker 1: would respond to malice, and they explain to you, no,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen malice here. There is malice here that at
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: that point, pulling out Handlin's razor is dysfunctional. You're back
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: pedaling or back not back pedaling, backtracking and making the
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: individual go over already covered ground. So it's very important
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: that as a movement we recognize especially with you know,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: like if you're if you're in a conversation, you know,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: you know, you're in a conversation with seventeen nubs. It's
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: one thing, but if you're in a conversation with sixteen
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: nubes and Paul Elam, and Paul Elam says, oh, I
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: know this guy, he does this this, this, and this,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: and you know he's been doing this for years, like,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: for instance, takes down MRIs who has a bunch of
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: us blocked and still stalks us. Anyway, listen before trying
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: to shame people for being too judgmental, because maybe they're
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: judging evidence that you haven't seen. So and there's one
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: other thing that I'm going to point out here, because
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: an argument was made to me on X. This argument
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: was it was made after an extended argument where I
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: highlighted feminists will pretend to be nice, right feminism is.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: They'll tell you feminism is about equality, patriarchy is your enemy,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: not women, and and so on, and then they'll say
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  Speaker 1: shit like this and the ship like this was essentially
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: miss Andrey doesn't exist. Show me the equivalent of and
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: then the woman named off a bunch of historical leaders
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  Speaker 1: that had done atrocities like Hitler and Stalin and as
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: if the idea being that men cannot be victims of
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: hatred because a handful of men throughout history who gained
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of power did very bad things. So therefore
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: your bus driver, for instance, on your public transportation, if
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: that's a man and you abuse him, it's not a
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: hateful behavior because Hitler existed. That is incredibly malicious to
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: say Rob the bus driver is guilty because Hitler existed.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Rob the buts driver might not even be like his
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: father's father might have fought in World War Two, but
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: he's guilty because Hitler existed. That is one of the
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: primary excuses people use for prejudice, right, And that started
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: the argument about Handlin's razor because the next comment I
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: got from an MRA was not all hashtag not all right,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: and it was an innocent comment. The guy was trying
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: to be a good person. He was trying to be nice,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: he was trying to be fair, and I was pretty
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: gruff about you know, this is not the time or
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: the place, because this is not an example of not
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: all this is an example of malice, you know, And
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: you know he said, I was just trying to not
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: attribute malice where incompetence might be the cause. This woman
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  Speaker 1: that I'd highlighted if you read my conversation with her,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: she is malicious. She hates men. She thinks that they're
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: all evil, all violent, all culpable for the least a
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: number of things that a man might do that are
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: the most violent. That like, she brought up every stereotype
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: feminist do oh, men are responsible for all the world violence,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: men are responsible for all the world's wars, and men
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: are responsible for all the world's you know, hunger and
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: poverty and blah blah, not at all considering the fact
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: that there have been women in power, that women have
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: social power, that women have been responsible for wars, that
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: women can be violent and when they are they get
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: away with it, and also not taking into consideration that
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: the men that she's talking about are a tiny percentage
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: of a much greater population that is forced into compliance
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: with a lot of that, especially wars. Right, So she's
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: not innocent. She's promoting propaganda that creates a black and
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: white image and demonizes a population based on hasty generalizations.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: It's not innocent behavior. And one of one of my
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: followers stepped in to criticize Handlin's razor, and I have
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: been for the last four days on a tangent in
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: that that discussion, with one person arguing with me they
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: are One of the arguments made was that a behavior
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: is not uh malicious if malice and incompetence are both
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: present at the same time, So the individual is the
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: real explanation is incompetence because the individual is in is incompetent,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: even though they are also malicious. Except there's a problem
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: with that. Right, incompetence is a condition, and a condition
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: is not necessarily a cause for a behavior. Behaviors. Human
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: behaviors them from human agency. It's them from decisions that
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: we make. Right, you decide you're going to do something,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: and then you do it only in circumstances where it's
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: a reflexive action that takes place in the moment because
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: of something compelling, Like somebody is swinging a stick at you,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: and you grab the stick and you pull it out
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: of their hands and they get splinters. Right, You didn't
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: act in aggression against them. You reflexively grabbed the item
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: that was about to hit you in the face. Right,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: that's different. But when you go you walk out of
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: your house and you go to the store and you
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: buy a bag of sugar and you take it to
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: the home of your enemy and you pour it in
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: his gas tank. Don't do that, by the way. That's
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: really awful. But those are all choices that you made.
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  Speaker 1: And even if you are too stupid to figure out
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: that the cops are going to discover who did it,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: and you're going to get arrested. It doesn't mean that
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: the act wasn't malicious. In Competence is a condition. Malice
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: is a motivation, an intent, ill will, an intent to
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: do harm or wrongdoing, to pull one over on somebody,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: to undermine somebody right. That's malice. It is not a condition,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: and it is the inspiration for a decision making process.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: You act on malice. Now, in competence or stupidity can
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: inspire malice. You can become malicious because you're not smart
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: enough to figure out that. You know, malice is a
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: poor reaction, but it's still malice is still the motivator.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: So when people like try to to wiggle their way
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: around those types of arguments, I think a lot of
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: times it goes back to instead of doing their trying,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: they're not evaluating, they're not analyzing, they're not figuring out,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: they're trying to be smart. Don't try to be smart.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: Pay attention, think reason, look at evidence, use logic. Don't
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: try to be smart, because if you try to be smart,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: you'll forget to do those other things, and those other
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: things are what make you smart.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: Pointing to a study does not make you smart. This
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: is something I really feel the need to put after
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: my last interaction. You've probably all seen it, like be
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: where people who think that intelligence means to pointing to
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: someone else's study and saying, I don't understand this study.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: But do you all need to understand this study? You
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: all need to like this. It's a different kind of
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: subversion of intelligence, Like I don't understand anything, I.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: Make it smart.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: This.
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  Speaker 2: This is how we've got ourselves into into this position
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: because stupid people used to just be stupid. They were
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: quite content with being stupid. But now because they've been
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: sat in front of their idiot boxes for decades, they
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: think they're intelligent because they can just point to an
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: idiot box and go, look, look, this is the right answer.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: I know the right answer. Okay, what is the right answer?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't read it. I won't get
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: into it. I won't get into it.
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  Speaker 1: The worst part is when they point to the conclusion
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: in a study and then you read the study and
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: the conclusion is not supported by the evidence in.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: The study exactly.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: And I've seen that with feminists a lot, and then
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: you talk to them about it and you start going
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: over this is where the flaw is like the one
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: that we looked at not too long ago, where feminists
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: have proposed putting people in a virtual environment in a
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: video game where they know the encounters they are having
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: are not real, they're not with real people and they're
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: not hurting anybody, and judging what type of behavior they
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: would engage in real life based on those interactions. And worse,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: they're throwing alcohol into the mix, so they're in this
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: environment while drunk, knowing that they're interacting with something that's
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: not real, and feminists are like, oh, that's totally how
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: they would be in real life, and we should judgment
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: based on this and pass laws based on it. Right,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: that is what we're dealing with in terms of feminist research.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: And when we argue that that flaw that you know,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: people don't behave in video games like they do in
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: real life, they act like you know, they might if
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: if they know that there's not going to be any
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: real consequences to the other person for their actions. Right
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: when you steal a car in grand theft Auto, there's
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: not somebody that can't go to work the next day
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: because they don't have their car. There's not somebody that
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: can't take their kid to the hospital because they don't
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: have their car. They didn't lose two thousand dollars that
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: they spent on that car. It's it's not a real car.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: That's so people don't necessarily behave in games the same
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: way as they will. In fact, there's a thing of
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: going through games playing the good path where you make
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: all of the nice decisions, and then going back and
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: playing the bad path, where you make all of the
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: mean decisions, so you can get the whole story. It's
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: part of the fun of playing video games.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: But yeah, uh, you explain these flaws and the first
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: thing you get back from the feminist is, well, these
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: people are smarter than you, so I think they knew
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  Speaker 1: what they were doing. Yeah, they knew what they were doing.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: That means this is a lie, not just a mistake.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: The flaws of these studies are deliberate. It's chicanery. They're
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: trying to mislead people, and it worked on you.
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  Speaker 2: But it works when it's in a virtual environment. That's
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: why we teach these people these things and virtual environments
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: so they don't have to make those mistakes in the
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: real environment. I mean, maybe all of this is just
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: a virtual environment, and maybe maybe we're all living in
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: a Diyson sphere and deep space around a completely different star,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: having already conquered the space race, and we're all just
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: living in a virtual simulation that's teaching us how not
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: to make the mistakes that the human race could have
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: made all those millions of years ago. And I don't
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: know how. I don't know how to disprove it anymore
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: disprove God. All we can do is learn the lessons
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: that we're learning in whatever life. This life is.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: You know, it's very possible. But it is time to
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  Speaker 1: close down the show because we got to get to
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: the after show, So I will read my last super chow.
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  Speaker 1: We got one from Laptop two fifteen who gave us
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  Speaker 1: five dollars and said, people who shame you for questioning
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: them know what they are doing. People who seek to
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: punish you for questioning them know what they are doing.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: People who don't want you to think or speak are
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: not your friend. And that is probably the best summary
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: of my objections to Handlan's razor, so I think i'll
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: leave it at that.
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  Speaker 2: My summary is they probably don't because they're fucking idiots,
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: but you shouldn't forgive them for that either, because they're
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: known worse that they're no better than the malicious. The
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: incompetent are no better than the malicious. They're just as damaging.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: But I don't.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, I was almost killed by an incompetent nurse when
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: I was in labor, So there you go. Jeez. Yes,
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: she thought my nine pounder was just a little baby,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: but he was a big guy. But he was born
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: two weeks old already, so you know. But with that,
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  Speaker 1: we will see you next Thursday. Thanks to my two
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: coast for going over this. This material was a little
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: different than we usually do. Like we didn't have a
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: lot to look at, we had a lot to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to everybody for listening and considering what we had
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: to say, and thanks to everybody who works in the
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: background to make HBr talk happen. Good Idol