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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles Archive Replay 100826 - From Proverbs to Property Law: Brent Winters Connects Scripture and Common Law · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.
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  Unknown: There you go. Our usual lyrics probably bunch of y'all know those by heart about now like I do. It's of course Roger Sails with you. It's Friday which means Brent's along with us and Shane was the first to chime in this morning, so he's in the background too.
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  Radio Ranch, of course, and People's Patriot Network, and the date of the show today is the May
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  10,
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  about a third away through this Memorial Day month,
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  heading into the summer and the back end of the year and things look real shaky at this point. So,
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  I don't know that we get into that much discussion on that today. I'd rather to defer
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  to Brent,
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  my Friday co host really, all the wealth of understanding that he brings us. You know, Brent, there's some place there and I think it's in the Old Testament
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  and the statement is, above all,
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  seek understanding.
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  It doesn't say knowledge.
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  It says seek understanding. That's always been very interesting to me because
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  does
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  one, it's like, does the horse come before the cart or the cart come before the horse and I think that when you study and you're interested and you sacrifice to get this information and do things you ordinarily could be out having fun and doing things constructive
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  in
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  the present time and now you're spending time going over all this law and history and religion and finance
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  and all this stuff to try and get a gauge on what's happening
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  so that if you get enough knowledge,
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  is it then when understanding
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  is given to you?
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  Unknown: Well, understanding
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  is
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  the main thing.
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  I understand what
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  it says when it says that, but understanding
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  as matter of
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  the bible's point of view
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  comes finally and more fully,
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  it become perfected only in the doing.
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  And the understanding of course is important. I just thought this morning something my father's been trying to tell me. You know, I haven't been trying to tell him. He's been telling me all my life. And this morning,
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  this morning,
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  it finally hit me what he meant by what he said. Mhmm. I had the facts. I knew what he was saying,
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  but it is the experience,
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  the doing of the thing that brings the understanding.
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  You can go to school and learn the books. That's why we send people to school. That's the starting point because what you should get in the beginning of education is facts.
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  Just raw
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  as the Bible puts it in the New Testament, the good translation,
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  brute facts. Brute, the old word brute. The old word brute means unreasoned,
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  understood,
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  just the fact of the matter. And once you get those,
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  then
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  if you ever try to obey what you know to be the fact of the matter, the fact of what the true lawgiver has told us he wants, the will of the sovereign is law and every among every people and our sovereign is the God of creation as our declaration of '76 puts it. Once you get that,
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  then you do it. You try to fulfill that will, you try to follow it then
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  you really understand and that is what the meaning,
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  the theme of the book of Proverbs is all about and the keyword is chachma.
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  The Hebrew word chachma.
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  Chachma is translated wisdom.
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  Wisdom and
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  the
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  Greek understanding,
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  the western understanding because of the Greeks of wisdom is a man that knows a lot. That he can think. He's cognitive. He can reason.
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  Well that amount to a pinch of piddly nothing. There's a lot of smart people, the Greeks being what? They could think the most beautiful thoughts so could the Italians,
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  so could the French but they didn't put it to practice and it destroyed them. It is the doing of the thing finally
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  that brings the understanding and brings the blessing without obedience
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  to the laws of nature unwritten in the nature of things and the laws of nature is God written in the Bible as Blackstone puts it. As the Scottish Enlightenment put it, that phrase coming out of the Scottish Enlightenment through John Locke, the great fan of the Scottish Enlightenment, the Englishman John Locke.
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  As we do those things, we know they're true, let's let's follow them. The farmer cannot
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  live. He will starve if he doesn't plant in the spring and harvest in the fall because God sets the laws of nature and the legislature saying we wanna change things because we think we can have a better economy if we pass a law saying nobody can plant in the spring, they have to plant in the fall now.
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  Well, men saying that which by the way legislators do those stupid kind of things unendingly,
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  that won't change the matter and it will destroy us. We are not of course
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  a nation of government of law of men.
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  That means the minds of men, are government of laws,
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  Unknown: the will of the sovereign. No, we're a government of regulations.
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  They are called little laws, though, I will grant you that,
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  and they are man made and that's what the system has been shifted for them to be able to accomplish.
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  I just had that thought on my mind as the show opened today. I had another thought on my mind too because
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  for the last few days we hadn't heard from Chris. A lot of talk for a simple question but I'll tell you. No, that's okay. Are you alright? Well, I didn't know. We hadn't heard from him. That's pretty unusual and so this morning for the program, I just picked up the phone
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  and called him and I knew immediately
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  when he picked up the phone what was wrong because he sounded like
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  Frogman Clarence
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  Frogman Henry on steroids
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  and he he he's joined us again here and I don't know if he's going to say too much but I'm glad to see that you're alright, Chris, and we were concerned, man. Well, I don't hear from you in a couple days.
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  Yours being somewhat of a... As I told Chris, you're a canary in the coal mine,
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  and I was a little concerned. How you doing, Chris?
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  Unknown: Just say hey so everybody knows you're alright. Pretty pretty this
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  Unknown: Not seeing very pretty this morning, but I'm pleased to be here listening to Brent and yourself and back in the saddle again a little bit. Okay. Good. Didn't he sound like Clarence Frogman Henry there?
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  Unknown: Little bit, little bit. Yeah, but he's talking like Gene Autry, so that's okay.
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  Unknown: So, well, good, Chris. We're glad to know you're alright and welcome. I'm sure you just want to sit back and listen. Bren, it came up yesterday, something that you told me and I tell you a story. I mean, told the story on the air just because you gotta give people a little background that might not be familiar with it. People that are regulars here have heard it before but one day, we were on one of these Friday shows. I guess it was three or four years ago. Back in the early days. We're just having the conversation like we normally do. And you said something I felt thought was so profound
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  and that is that when you know the basics, anything's simple.
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  Unknown: And then my friend my friend from Bedford, Virginia taught me that when I was a
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  young military man and he was
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  he was tearing apart the automatic transmission in his car and he had it out on the floor in his apartment, I might add.
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  Had newspaper down and he took it all apart and by the time he got back together, he said, Brent, I can see everything simple once you understand it. Now he did not understand the principles of an automatic transmission
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  and he wasn't an educated man formally speaking.
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  He was very young fellow as a matter of fact.
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  But we got to talking about that. The more we talked about it, the more we realized it was true.
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  Because no matter how complex a thing looks,
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  by the time you have struggled with it, you've wrestled with it or worried with it like a dog worries over a bone for a long time, it gets boiled down to where it's just a few fundamentals
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  and you see those and you see that everything rest upon just three or four things. And once you grasp those three or four things,
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  then all of it then falls into place and the old story or somebody... They didn't correct me, they added to it. The old story about Vince Lombardi.
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  He always started with the fundamentals. Yep. Every every training camp and
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  said, gentlemen, this is a football. Yep.
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  Unknown: And We went back to blocking and tackling. Everybody went back to blocking and tackling. And the way that came in is,
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  of course, we got newer people coming on board here, occasionally
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  one trickles in, and
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  of course it's a very confusing situation.
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  And we confronted that a little bit yesterday with one of our newer guys, and that's what was making me think about it, and I keep trying to get across to these people. I
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  think if you look back, the one reason that I've had success here is because I had a law teacher that taught us substantive law,
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  and to the best I can gather, they do not teach those principles very much in any law school in the country and haven't for some time.
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  And as
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  Glenn said one time, and he said, If you don't know that
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  we're dealing with the feudal system and you don't understand those substantive
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  law basics,
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  you're only shadow boxing.
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  I drew the analogy of Don Quixote, either both the same,
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  but I found that to be true, and what I know from my personal experience,
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  not being trained at all in law before I got into this, is that once you've
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  substantive law down,
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  you can go right through any of these things that are throwing action, go right through them like a knife through butter. But if you don't know it, you ain't getting through them. Well,
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  Unknown: two things that I'd like to say to that, Roger.
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  Number one,
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  the only way to understand the counterfeit,
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  which in this case is rather feudal
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  feudal with a d is to
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  concentrate
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  upon or focus focus upon the true government.
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  The laws of nature and the laws of nature is God, then you can really recognize the great contrast.
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  And then you see that the feudal system has taken... It's Romanized which means it's Babylonian
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  in some respects,
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  not all respects.
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  But the second thing I'd want to point out Roger is I was cocked and loaded this morning.
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  Cocked and loaded to talk about the gap theory too and I don't wanna forget that yeah.
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  That... And you'd mentioned that when was it last week or this or sometime
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  and said, Brent, let's talk about that. And I... It's something that's
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  near and dear
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  to my heart desire
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  that people understand it and I've discovered that most fundamentalist,
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  most conservatives are so
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  they're...
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  What would you call it? Not brainwashed.
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  That's getting close but that's not the right word. Conditioned. But maybe close... Conditioned. Very... That's a nice fancy word. Thank you, Roger. They're conditioned and it's hard to shift the paradigm as the fancy folk would say and they're they can't see it. The simplicity again, it just rest upon a couple of simple facts
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  that say
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  that there is truly
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  a difference between Genesis one:one and Genesis
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  one:two,
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  there is a transition. Now somebody said to me, oh, I knew who it was, no sense mentioning it but he used to ask it, is it heresy,
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  a friend by the way, is it heresy? Whatever heresy means, then now there's a hijacking. Yeah, sure. In other words, is it wrong? Is it wrong?
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  Is it wrong
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  to say that the world
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  was not created in
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  six twenty four hour days and I thought a minute and I said, well yeah, that's really wrong to not say that because if there's any place in the Bible where the use of the word yom, day, the Bible clearly defines in
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  a bounded way, one end and the other binding it off. It's Genesis
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  one, two, three. There it tells us that the evening, not the morning, but the evening and the morning,
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  the
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  binding on both ends is a day. Now somebody says, is that twenty four hours? It doesn't say it's twenty four hours. It says the evening and the morning. Well then what's the evening and the morning? Well, evening evening and and the morning, the evening is that point, Erev in the Hebrew, where the light
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  is transitioning
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  to darkness.
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  That's called evening. Evening's
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  a good translation
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  but it's the gloamen to use the old literary poetic word. It is that point where the gloamen is there. But the glowman is more after the sun has gone down. That
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  is the evening. The sundown, the Bible always talks about uses different word when it talks about sundown. You see that's not the
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  glowman yet. The glowman comes later.
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  Right when the sun goes down,
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  the Bible distinguishes that in almost all cases. Well, we've got the evening and then we got the morning.
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  Boker.
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  Boker translated morning means dawn.
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  It means the cracking of dawn. It means that transition point
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  between
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  the night
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  and the day, the light becomes... It becomes.
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  So you've got it bounded there now. I
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  Unknown: got a good peg for that point is when the birds start singing.
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  Unknown: That's a good one, I like it. Now I hear the chickens start milling around and all the birds, you know, being daylight critters and all. But yeah,
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  does it say it's a twenty four hour day? No, of course it doesn't say that. Does it say it's a day? Yes, it says that and it's bounded
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  by evening and morning and what I'm being careful here Roger not to do is not to say more than it says. It doesn't say more than that. Now if you want to conclude it's a twenty four hour day, I don't have any trouble with that. I just like to say as somebody that talks about the Bible publicly that
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  that's all it says. And for me to say more is to add to and I'm not willing to do that right here. I don't believe ought to. Matter of fact,
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  will be added to me the plagues of this book. Deuteronomy chapter four, Revelation.
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  Safeguarding the word of God, the law of God, the revelation, the laying bare of his will
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  is to not add to it and to not take away from it. And if you add to it, you're watering it down and that takes away from something else. And if you take away from it, you will inevitably add to it as Paul the Apostle says, you will go about to establish your own right headedness. You'll make up the rules as you go as government does now.
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  So we don't wanna add to or take away. We want to just say what it says and then contemplate it and then
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  do
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  it and then the understanding becomes around full force.
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  So,
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  are there six twenty four hour days? Answer, yes.
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  Is the world created in six days?
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  Well,
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  I said twenty four hours. No, six days. And the answer is yes. I shouldn't add twenty four hours, the Bible doesn't. The newer testament says that, repeats it. The older testament,
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  the Torah of God says it point blank that ends the matter. It's a fact. That's the way it happened. The book of Genesis is a book of history
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  but the history reveals law and law reveals history. There's no question.
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  Second though Roger,
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  people say, well, how can you say the earth is young?
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  Bishop
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  Usher said, the Irish
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  Irish... Well, he did some great
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  Unknown: calculations. I hate to interrupt, we got a little clipping there and I missed what you were saying and I don't know if the audience did, but I don't want to miss anything you say. Could you repeat that, just what you did last few seconds?
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  Unknown: I think I said Bishop Usher
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  was a mathematician and he calculated
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  that the earth couldn't be more than 4,000 some years old, you can look it up. Well, he was calculating.
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  He was calculating from
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  the time of what we call Genesis chapter one verse two and people say, well you're not a gapper. You're not a gapper, are you? The gap theory they call it. And the fundamentalists go stark raven mad over that. People
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  that I like and I don't have... A matter of fact, think they're good for... A lot of Baptists, a lot of fundamentalists. Ken Ham, the Creation Museum.
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  They go ballistic if you mentioned the gap theory and they've got all the theories and they go
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  to the rocks and they go to creation
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  and they go to the fossil record and they try to prove that that cannot be true.
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  Well, why don't you just go to the Bible? Why don't you forget all the rocks for now? People say, well I think that geology is a record. Well, it is. But the final rule for faith and practice is not geology
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  or observations of nature. Your observations will fool you. You may not have all the facts. Ask anybody, ask Daryl.
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  Daryl's an aviator.
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  He taught aviation for years
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  and I'd asked him this once on the air a few years ago and he said, oh yeah, you know, you gotta
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  trust the instruments. You can't trust your own perceptions when you're flying. Not always. They'll fool you and you'll end up dead
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  because your ears
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  dictate
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  what horizon is and stability and they may be off. So we don't trust that, we trust. We don't walk by sight as the Bible says. We don't walk by what we see in nature when we see an apparent
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  contradiction or an apparent inconsistencies
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  between the laws of nature unwritten in the nature of things and the laws of nature's God written in the Bible. Again quoting our declaration of 76.
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  That's why the reformer said the final rule
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  in cases of misunderstanding
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  or apparent incompatibility
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  between those two volumes of God's revealing of His will.
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  The laws of nature's God written and particular
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  governed.
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  That's what we do. So when the Creation Museum, when those folks talk about
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  well we look at the... Well they've got PhDs and geologists now working for them and they're justified and they're saying, oh there can't be a gap. That's stupid. Word for the twenty four hour day, six days of creation.
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  Nice idea but again,
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  it comes back to what it says.
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  Now a lot of creation people are King Jamers.
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  Well that creates a problem. Why? Because they believe that the word of God written is preserved in the King James Bible. No, they don't believe it's preserved in the manuscripts
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  of the original tongues. Well, you're gonna believe that, you've got some serious problems. You're not gonna get it. Man,
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  oh well, they of course go to the King James. And the King James says, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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  It's very emphatic.
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  The land. I like to translate in the beginning, at the start of things, at the head of things,
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  the lawgiver,
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  the lawgiver
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  created
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  the skies
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  and the land and that's really what it says. The heavens and the earth are very poetic but that's not stabbing enough. It's the skies and the land. All the land of this place we call earth,
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  He created it. And then the next verse and this is the key point
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  and this is why I say the Bible governs,
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  not what you see with your eyes in cases of misunderstanding or ignorance.
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  The Bible says, the Hebrew text says, not the King James text, the Hebrew text says
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  and
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  the earth
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  became
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  Tohu
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  Wavohu
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  or Tohu Wavohu.
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  Tohu Wavohu, that phrase, very famous phrase translated formless and void. Tohu Wavohu.
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  Now,
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  the Bible tells us,
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  the Bible tells us,
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  Isaiah
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  tells us
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  that
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  the earth, the land was not created
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  tohu. What is tohu?
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  Well, the way we discover what words mean is we can go to Strong's as
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  for example for example
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  for example
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  the identity people
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  are very fond of going to Strong's as are others.
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  And that becomes the final rule for them.
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  Well, Strong and his partner McClintock were a couple of good guys. I like to read their stuff but they're not the final rule of anything.
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  They're people I can learn from. But the final rule is what does the Bible say? How is that word tohu wa bohu used
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  in the Bible?
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  What does it mean?
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  I've taken hundreds of words, hundreds upon hundreds of words, Roger. And I can go through and trace every occurrence
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  of a particular Hebrew word through the Bible and when I get done,
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  I will usually come to conclusion as to the root meaning of that Hebrew root that is woven into any usage of it throughout the whole Bible. I can do the same thing in the New Testament and have done it. And I'm still doing it. It's what I like to do. To trace the words. Maybe 10 uses, maybe five, maybe a 125
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  uses of that root
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  word and that's how you get the meaning of words.
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  That's how Strong and McLintock, that's how they got their meanings. They may come up with something different though than I do and I may think they're dead wrong. That's why we all do our own thing and we listen and we learn and I'm not against those fellows. They've worked very hard and they have much to say. So does Gesenius,
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  so does Thayer. So have all the linguistics,
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  linguistic men that have studied such things but
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  the
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  final rule is what do the word say? Now here what I'm gonna drive at, Roger. It does not say and the earth was
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  formless and void. It doesn't say that. It says the earth became formless and void. That's not an option. That's not a matter of opinion. That's not a theory, that's what the text says.
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  It starts with and as
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  grammarians call it, Hebrew grammarians, Hebrees as they call them, it starts with the wow
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  consecutive.
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  Some traditions call it the vav, they harden it. Well that's a rabbinical
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  tradition to harden
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  that particular letter,
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  wow. W o w, that's the way it's pronounced. It's not pronounced with a V. If you hear somebody pronouncing it with a V, vav,
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  then you know that they're following a rabbinic tradition of pronunciation and that might lead to other rabbinic problems.
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  And if there's anybody that's done more to by deceit destroy the meaning of God's Word in the older testament, it's been the rabbis.
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  Jesus Christ told us that. The apostles and in their epistles throughout the New Testament make that point and so we do well, it behooves us to pay attention to that and say, Well, we don't want that and I don't want that. So it is the wow consecutive.
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  But the point about it is, Roger, right here and in every case it's used, it indicates constitution.
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  What does that mean? That means one thing follows another. It's usually translated and. It is a conjunction
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  but when a verb is attached to it right after it in the imperfect especially, the imperfect form of the verb, that means the incomplete action,
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  The earth
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  becomes.
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  It would be better to translate
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  the earth becomes formless and void. We would understand in English,
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  the earth became. But he's given us a running narrative that is happening right now from the viewpoint of the writer. He's telling you a story and then he did this and then he does that. Instead of he did, he does. And then he ran
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  or more should we say when we're telling the story and then he runs
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  to his father. Well, that's the present tense but it didn't happen in the present tense. He's telling a story about something that happened a long time ago. Well, that's the way it is here. He's telling the story in the present tense just like we would tell an exciting story in the present tense and this is an exciting story and he says to translate it more accurately, he says, and the earth becomes
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  formless and void.
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  Not became,
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  becomes.
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  Certainly it does not say and the earth was formless and void. You see and the other thing is too, there is no verb of being in the Semitic tongues.
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  Hebrew and about 15 other including Arabic,
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  Aramaic
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  and all of those Semitic tongues from the Near East, different dialects,
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  they don't have a verb of being. There is no being. Was, is, are
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  stative verbs as some people would call them.
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  I think, therefore I am, am.
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  Well that's a western idea. The Semitic man, the Semitic woman never considered anything existing,
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  that's the Latin way to say exists, something exists. It just is. They had no concept of such things. If it wasn't movie,
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  if it isn't an action verb, it doesn't exist.
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  The Bible doesn't say the Lord is my shepherd. No, the Hebrew text says by the letters
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  the Lord comma
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  my shepherd.
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  Every time you see a verb of being
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  in translations of the older testament of the Bible, you know it isn't there. It's added and often, King James does this, often they'll put it in italics to show you it's not there.
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  But what the King Jamers do here is they translate that verb of action,
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  that verb of action
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  with the verb of being. And they do that consistently throughout the older testament. The King James makes beautiful English.
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  I don't criticize them really, I'm just making the point. They didn't translate
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  the King James.
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  Their foremost purpose according to the orders of King James was to to be beautiful, make it memorable and don't offend unnecessarily.
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  Go ahead, Roger. And reserve
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  Unknown: the right of kings.
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  Well, that's in there too. That's right. I was thinking as you're saying that, because of my constant battle to learn Spanish,
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  and it's a chore, okay?
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  In
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  Spanish, the I am has two different ways of
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  stating,
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  and if you're like, I am
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  blue,
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  I'm happy, I'm sad, you use Jo Soy, Y O S O Y, I, Jo, I. But
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  if you're doing something active,
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  you use another term called astoy.
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  They've got that being thing in there, but it's even separated down to a finer point, and I run across it in my mind because one of the guys that explained that to me years ago is still imprinted, and when you're talking and you come to those words, it's still to me it's a conscious kind of a nanosecond
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  decision on which one to use. I guess if you get deep enough into this stuff, it's automatic.
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  Bob joined us while you were so eloquently going over that and I know he's a goes to Strom's a lot because he talks about it on here. Bob, did you have us something to observe on what Brent has said?
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  Unknown: Well, I've got a question.
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  Nothing to do with Strong's necessarily, but I'd heard it put forward and it's appealing
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  because I like the idea, but I think then then you're starting to get into exegesis and exegesis.
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  But I've heard it said
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  that
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  in the beginning
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  could be can... Could be translated in this
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  beginning.
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  In what? In
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  that beginning?
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  In this beginning. Oh. In this time. And rather than Uh-huh. In the beginning,
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  you know,
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  ex Nilo, everything from nothing, it's just like it's another era, another epoch, another Uh-huh. Ailm.
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  And I haven't ever really drilled down hard on that, but I was curious what your take on that was, how it looks to you in your con... You know, in context.
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  Unknown: Well, that is in the ambient, in the possibilities
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  of the grammar and the vocabulary to be translated that way.
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  But I don't have any indication that it's translated that way because the definite article
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  is hidden underneath what we would call the inseparable
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  preposition,
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  bathe. That's the
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  first word of the Bible is baith
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  and it's a preposition
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  and it means in or with or by fundamentally
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  at the beginning. At is a possible translation. I almost like to translate it that way, that way. But the
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  expression of the pronoun this or that is not there. It is true that the definite article which
• 30:17
  is underneath that preposition that's not written there because that drops away in the Hebrew when you put the preposition on the front of the word in
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  the beginning.
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  But the
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  definite article
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  is there. I think that's clearly
• 30:34
  the understanding
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  But to talk about this to make it more definite
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  and translate it that way is a judgment call but in most cases I don't like to do that. I like to translate this or that when the Hebrew words for this or that are there.
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  And sometimes they may be understood but we have to remember we're removed from this language. This language is not spoken anywhere in the world and hasn't been for centuries.
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  And people say, well what about over in Israel? They speak it. No, they don't speak this and they don't have a clue and never have had a clue.
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  Really all the pronunciations of these words and it's modern entirely. It was resurrected from the dead or they tried to. You can't do that. God has as it were. I use this analogy softly.
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  He has
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  this word frozen.
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  That makes it sound like it's dead, it's not. But he has fixed
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  his word so it cannot be changed. And we can now analyze that as a language that's not spoken. When I say it's a dead language, that's not implied to mean that the Word is not living but that's what people say. Well, dead, that means it's not spoken anymore. Well, that's good because it's not changing because when languages are spoken,
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  they begin to change and we
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  can get lost. But this particular tongue,
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  the record of it is fixed
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  and that's what God wanted and we have every right, a matter of fact, every responsibility to rely on it by the letters.
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  If we aren't able, if we don't rely upon it by the letters, we know nothing of what it says. Well you say, what about symbolic language? What about metaphors? What about parables?
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  What about
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  taking it for
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  sign?
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  Well of course.
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  But if you don't understand it by the letters,
• 32:12
  even a symbol or a metaphor or a parable or a
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  figure of speech, if you don't understand it by the letters first,
• 32:20
  you'll never understand what the figure of speech means. So we must take it by the letters. That's silliness to say, well you're not one of those people that take the Bible literally.
• 32:28
  Well, if you don't take, all language must be taken literally
• 32:32
  even if it's symbolic so you can discern the meaning when the Bible says. When Jesus Christ says, I'm the door.
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  If I don't understand,
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  shepherd. I'm
• 32:41
  I'm the vine.
• 32:43
  If we don't understand what those things are by the letters, literally, we cannot understand what he's driving at.
• 32:51
  Good point. I would agree with that. A lot of people do. Yeah. Now... Yeah. Go ahead.
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  Unknown: Well, I I had heard that foot forward, and to some degree, it was appealing because Uh-huh. You know, it's it's a whole new concept to me. Yeah. And it... It's possible,
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  Unknown: but it it doesn't say that. That's... It does not say that. Yeah. That's what I like to say. Doesn't not say it. It's just ambiguous,
• 33:14
  but you're gonna go with what it says. Yeah. And it says in the definite article and the definite article in the Semitic tongues
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  always
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  stresses
• 33:24
  the identity of what it's talking about instead of the
• 33:27
  attributes
• 33:29
  of what it's talking about.
• 33:32
  And that's true in the New Testament, the Greek as well and very much like English but even more so in the Semitic tongues and in the Greek. You know, if you learn the definite
• 33:41
  article in
• 33:42
  the Greek New Testament and you really can recognize it every time you see it, it's just one letter. If you can see that, you have learned one seventh, about one seventh of the Greek New Testament
• 33:53
  because the definite article occurs
• 33:56
  right around 20,000
• 33:59
  times in the Greek New Testament and
• 34:02
  that constitutes about one seventh of the words. So
• 34:05
  it's used in ways that make English sound ridiculous
• 34:09
  because
• 34:11
  and it identifies. It's a distressing identity.
• 34:15
  In this particular verse of the Bible, Genesis chapter one verse one, identity is stressed. There's
• 34:22
  the definite article. In the beginning, at the top of things, at the start. In the beginning, He
• 34:29
  created
• 34:30
  Elohim,
• 34:31
  the law giver or law giver. He created, law giver created.
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  The sky
• 34:37
  is in the land. Ef
• 34:39
  is the sign of the definite article. It's usually not translated but it should be. You better translate it and I translate it this way in the raw translation, the winterized version. In the beginning,
• 34:48
  God created namely
• 34:51
  the land and namely eth the skies.
• 34:55
  And I'm not translating it that way to correct other translations such as the King James, that's not the point. And I'm not trying to overcome any other translations, I'm trying to give a real raw translation
• 35:06
  and to be compared to the smooth reading of others because my translation in some places doesn't read all that smooth. And the reason is because I try to give force with an English word to every Hebrew word and no translation does that and sells much.
• 35:24
  Unknown: That's kinda
• 35:25
  like trying to read strong if
• 35:28
  you're reading their English
• 35:31
  off to the side. It does not read poetry.
• 35:35
  It's choppy and you read
• 35:37
  Unknown: in stamps at that point. You know when Wycliffe translated the Bible into English, the first man to ever do so, the entire Bible that is. He translated the whole thing. He didn't have the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts, they weren't available. So he translated it into English from the Latin Vulgate of Jerome and Jerome had translated it from the original tongues about 400 AD.
• 35:57
  And when he translated it, what he did was he just word for word went through the Latin and put it into English. Word equivalency to the hilt.
• 36:06
  And to read that
• 36:08
  in English is like reading the Latin bowl. It's like reading Latin.
• 36:11
  It's
• 36:13
  that wooden and stilted because of the order of the words.
• 36:17
  But that was a good start And if you read it, you can see what he's saying. You have to decipher the old Anglo Saxon from the fourteenth century. It's very much different but there's a lot of it that's alike also. But back to this thing about the gap, Roger. The question is,
• 36:32
  did it become
• 36:34
  tohu wa vohu, formless and void or
• 36:38
  was it?
• 36:39
  The earth was. It was created that way. Well,
• 36:42
  Isaiah tells us clearly
• 36:44
  that he uses this Hebrew word, God did not create the world Tohu.
• 36:49
  Well then the question comes of course, Roger, what is Tohu? Wabohu,
• 36:53
  formless and void. Well, that's a nice translation.
• 36:57
  I like to start with
• 36:59
  G Campbell Morgan.
• 37:01
  G Campbell Morgan
• 37:03
  was a son of a Welshman born
• 37:07
  on a farm in England. His mother was English and he wound up coming to America
• 37:11
  about a 150 times. He spent more time here in his life than he did over there because people wanted to come teach the Bible. He was a Bible expositor.
• 37:20
  And G Campbell Morgan
• 37:24
  liked to talk about
• 37:27
  Genesis one and two and I heard him preach it. He was born in 1863
• 37:31
  and he died in 1945.
• 37:35
  But
• 37:36
  after World War I,
• 37:38
  he wasn't a young man by the time World War I came along
• 37:41
  but he'd talk about
• 37:44
  in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and then he said, the translation should be,
• 37:50
  and the spirit of God
• 37:53
  brooded
• 37:53
  on the waters. He would get real dramatic.
• 37:59
  Unknown: Brent, did we lose you there? Brooded or translated and the earth, I'm here. Yeah, dropped out. That's the word. Go ahead please. That's
• 38:07
  Unknown: the Hebrew word that means to brood. It means to... For a bird to sit
• 38:13
  on eggs or to hover over its young and feed its young, an eagle is used in that respect.
• 38:19
  Brooding and that's what the spirit of God did over the waters but the earth by that time had become flooded.
• 38:27
  Before that, Genesis one:one, well is there a gap between the two? I'm not saying there's a gap. Could be but I'm not saying there is. I'm saying there's a constitution.
• 38:36
  In other words, something happened in Genesis chapter one. What? Well, God
• 38:41
  fashioned,
• 38:42
  created bara.
• 38:44
  It means to choose, to pick out, to form, to scrape as a sculptor. It's used to sculpt of a man who sculpts something. He picks out a block of stone
• 38:53
  and then he fashions it and he finishes it. I like to talk about it in the sense of we would say today, a man working in a house, a finished carpenter.
• 39:02
  He makes it beautiful. He fixes it up. In the beginning, God, He made that. He made the skies and the land but then something happened. Consecution,
• 39:12
  something followed
• 39:14
  with the consecutive and that's used throughout the Bible
• 39:18
  thousands of times. It's not like this is a matter of opinion either. The wow consecutive
• 39:23
  is constitution.
• 39:24
  It denotes constitution. That's why when we teach the Bible or talk about it, we can see one thing happens then after that, after that another thing happens.
• 39:33
  For example, it's used in the phrase and it came to pass.
• 39:37
  Book, but on books of the Bible begin and it came to pass. That means and
• 39:42
  the next thing that happened,
• 39:45
  the sentence starts that way. Satan even talks that way. That's not always the right thing to do. He was doing it to deceive, started in the middle of a sentence as though what he was saying followed after something else.
• 39:56
  Unknown: Doing He's it to deceive People to this
• 40:00
  Unknown: do.
• 40:01
  Unknown: I was gonna say a minute ago when you're just a brief, just a sidebar here that when you were talking about either adding or taking away and it hit me, said, that's what they do constantly is add and take away.
• 40:13
  Unknown: Well that's what regulations
• 40:15
  are. Bureaucratic regulations are an
• 40:19
  adding of law
• 40:20
  to that body in the federal
• 40:23
  government for example,
• 40:24
  which our constitution says has the only power
• 40:29
  of legislation.
• 40:30
  And then the president's people, the bureaucrats come along and add regulations. Well it's the same wrong principle. That's why Jesus Christ said to the phariseites, You fellows add burdens to people that they cannot bear. In other words, regulations. That's what He's talking about. And you yourself won't lift one of your little fingers to do any of them. Don't care. You just want to They make a heart on certainly don't adhere to them anywhere near as much as they expect us to.
• 40:54
  No. And he was speaking then of what we today call the Talmud and the Mishnah. It was the tradition, the oral tradition of the elders that
• 41:02
  was their Bible. But back to this thing about Genesis one:two.
• 41:06
  And
• 41:09
  this is important to understand the Consecution.
• 41:11
  And the Consecution there
• 41:15
  and the earth became
• 41:17
  and it happened. The next thing that happened was
• 41:20
  that Consecution,
• 41:22
  that verb there
• 41:24
  is the verb,
• 41:26
  occurs hundreds of times in the Old Testament in all sorts of context. It's the verb of undefined action. Remember there is no verb of being in the Semitic tongues.
• 41:36
  Arabic, Aramaic,
• 41:39
  Hebrew.
• 41:40
  There's a verb though of undefined action and the King James and other translations often translate it with the verb of being. That's wrong. It says something happened. How do you know what happened? It became for example. If I say well that became.
• 41:53
  Well if I don't give it some context, you don't know what that is and what's doing the becoming.
• 41:58
  So the coming out, the becoming, the happening, the carrying on, the occurring. We have lots of words in English to translate it and I like to use those. But this verb, Roger,
• 42:10
  this verb is
• 42:12
  the holy name of God that people talk about. I am that I am.
• 42:16
  See there again, the King James and others translate it with the verb of being. It's not a verb of being. It should be translated
• 42:23
  Genesis chapter three fifteen along in there. Moses says, looking at the burning, who shall I say has sent me to pharaoh? And the voice says, you tell them that I am, that's the translation. It should say,
• 42:35
  I become or I happen. I'm the happening one. I'm the becoming one. I'm the sovereign one.
• 42:41
  I'm the one that occurs.
• 42:43
  I'm living. Other places the bible says over and over, he's the alive
• 42:47
  God.
• 42:48
  In distinction with all these idols and images that are deader and
• 42:52
  doornails and stiffer and ring bolts. They can't hear, they can't see, they can't think yet you fall down and kiss the dirt before them like a dodo.
• 42:59
  Well that's what the prophets say. Well I'm different.
• 43:02
  I'm not a created thing.
• 43:03
  I am the creator.
• 43:05
  I am the becoming one. I'm the one that is constantly
• 43:09
  making things happen. I'm the first mover. I'm the second mover. I'm the last mover. I am in control of all. That's what that means and that verb there and the earth became is the holy name of God but it's used in a different way there to talk about what He's doing. Well He's the becoming one. He's the one that makes things happen. He creates. Well let's get to this. I wanted to get to this though Roger and then when I'm done here in a minute because I'll run out of steam then
• 43:34
  people can comment or discuss
• 43:36
  but these words tohu wa vohu and the earth became or the land. The land became tohu wa vohu. G Campbell Morgan
• 43:45
  says that this word or these
• 43:49
  tandem words, this double set of words Tohu Wabohu mean
• 43:53
  the same thing that the men in World War One
• 43:57
  saw when they looked out across what they called
• 44:00
  no man's land.
• 44:02
  No man's land.
• 44:04
  That area between the trenches that was
• 44:07
  blasted to smithereens,
• 44:09
  nothing dead.
• 44:10
  Dead bodies, rats, blood, mud,
• 44:13
  splinters of trees,
• 44:15
  barbed wire,
• 44:16
  mines,
• 44:17
  that's tohu, wabohu.
• 44:19
  Now there's truth in what he says. I like
• 44:24
  Martin Luther's translation from his translation of the Bible. He translates it
• 44:33
  vust, v u s t. Well that's our Anglo word, waste.
• 44:37
  W a s. It's a wasteland.
• 44:39
  A land of waste,
• 44:41
  of nothingness, of emptiness. Not good. A wasteland is a land in Kama law around the manor villages in our Anglo tongue.
• 44:50
  They had what they called the wastes, w a s t e. The waste was the land that was good only for light use. It wasn't good enough to farm. You could graze cattle on it, you could gather sticks and firewood but it was waste. And in our common law yet today, there's
• 45:06
  an action for waste.
• 45:08
  Land that is not cared for will waste. Houses not lived in or paid attention to will fall down. It's the second law of thermodynamics
• 45:17
  in action.
• 45:18
  That's called waste and waste by the way, if you're a trustee of a trust and land is the property of the trust, you have a duty to prevent waste.
• 45:26
  In other words, things become useless. They become worthless. They become empty. The
• 45:31
  earth became
• 45:33
  That's
• 45:35
  what Martin Luther says and that's one way to trans... I like to translate it with the Anglo word which is related, Anglo being a Germanic language, just translate it waste.
• 45:44
  And the earth became waste
• 45:46
  and empty. And that is the way I translate it I believe. Because that's what means
• 45:51
  waste and empty. Well,
• 45:53
  waste and empty in this case though. Empty of what? Everything, what happened? It was covered with water.
• 45:59
  There was a flood you see. Noah's flood wasn't the first flood. There was a flood that covered all of the land of the earth
• 46:06
  and that was a big flood. Why did it happen? Now here,
• 46:10
  to say that much,
• 46:12
  there was a creation of the heavens and the earth. The heavens and the earth became
• 46:17
  became a waste and empty.
• 46:20
  It's
• 46:21
  a verb so we should say became a waste and empty and wasted
• 46:25
  and then darkness
• 46:26
  was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God as Morgan says and this is a good translation because it is as vivid as the Hebrew,
• 46:35
  brooded upon the face.
• 46:38
  The face is plural. The word face in the Bible is always in the plural because it denotes no matter which way you look at it, you're seeing the face. The faces
• 46:46
  of the water and he said,
• 46:50
  let there be light.
• 46:52
  And what happened?
• 46:53
  Light happened. That's the literal. Again that verb,
• 46:57
  not there was light. It doesn't say there was light. There is no verb of being in the Hebrew tongue. It says light
• 47:03
  happened. Light became. Light occurred. Everything is action, action, action with God because that's who He is, our law giver.
• 47:13
  He's the one that makes things happen and He made light. Now it says in John one:one, John starts
• 47:18
  his gospel and he
• 47:20
  follows this idea of creation. He says, In the beginning. Wow, that's right out of Genesis chapter one. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Well he says in the beginning was the word
• 47:31
  and the word was with God.
• 47:33
  Wycliffe translates
• 47:35
  the word was at God.
• 47:38
  He was in the beginning with him and the world was made by him. See, he's speaking of creation. He's following the narrative but he's given us more information.
• 47:46
  The world was made by him. By who? By Jesus Christ. That's the subject of his writing there. But
• 47:52
  he came into his own, his own received him not.
• 47:56
  The light,
• 47:57
  the world did not comprehend.
• 48:00
  Well that's what it
• 48:02
  says in John but here we have, he's talking about what happened here. The light. Well who's the light? The sun and the moon? No, the sun and the moon were not created until day four.
• 48:12
  When he says light in Genesis, let there be light.
• 48:15
  He's
• 48:16
  saying not let there be light. That's a verb of being. He says let light happen. Let light do it. Who's light? Who's the light? Jesus Christ says I
• 48:25
  am
• 48:26
  the light. Is that a figure of speech? No.
• 48:29
  That's the truth.
• 48:30
  He is the light of the world and that's what it says in Genesis chapter one. But the light,
• 48:37
  the darkness did not, the old King James says in John, did not comprehend the light. The darkness did not comprehend the light. Well that comprehend
• 48:46
  is a big fancy Latin word. What the Greek word katolambano,
• 48:51
  it means to pick up. It did not take it up. It did not write it down. It did not accept it in other words. It could be understood that way. But the point is that the darkness did not take the light down, it didn't ruin it. It goes on. It, He is speaking of Jesus Christ. John tells us clearly in his gospel that this is about Jesus Christ. In the beginning was the word. In the beginning God created the lawgiver. Who is the lawgiver? The Godhead.
• 49:19
  In the plural, not el but Elohim in the Hebrew.
• 49:23
  And he's in the plural because there are three members of the Godhead.
• 49:27
  The father,
• 49:28
  the son
• 49:29
  and the
• 49:31
  personality
• 49:31
  I like to call the gumption breath of God because that's what the word means.
• 49:36
  And those three persons,
• 49:37
  the Godhead and Jesus Christ is given the duty.
• 49:41
  He's delegated all power,
• 49:43
  John says and he created. He is the creator
• 49:46
  of heaven and earth. The spirit of God
• 49:48
  then is the order follower. There is a order within the Godhead unlike the Greek Orthodox Church.
• 49:55
  In the West, we recognize the Bible teaches that there is a division of labor among
• 50:01
  the members of the Godhead as it tells us throughout the Bible and Titus chapter one verses one and two being a part of that. Well that's what happened. Is there... Now one other thing, I'll just mention it but I'll stop for a while.
• 50:13
  People say that God did flood the earth there when there was the surface of the water
• 50:18
  and the
• 50:19
  earth, the land became tohu wa bohu, formless empty and a waste.
• 50:24
  Something happened. What happened? Well, the deep
• 50:29
  bespeaks judgment. I think that's clear in the Bible, very clear. The deep, darkness was on the face of the deep. Well what happened? Well I think you can put it together but I'm not gonna do that right now because I'm gonna take a breather. But I think you can put it together that that is when
• 50:45
  Satan,
• 50:46
  Satan himself,
• 50:48
  he was thrown out
• 50:50
  of the skies.
• 50:51
  He took a third of
• 50:53
  of the personalities
• 50:54
  called demons with him. They landed on the earth, they are now the
• 50:59
  preeminent ones of this atmosphere.
• 51:02
  They're here on the land
• 51:04
  and
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  attempting to be, not to say I'm
• 51:13
  gonna take the law giver's place, the God has placed but he just said, I'm gonna be like him. And then he tried to encourage man to say, you can be like him too. Well in one sense because of Jesus Christ we can but not in the sense that Satan was talking.
• 51:27
  In the Old Testament, Roger, back to you and I'll Well one that
• 51:32
  Unknown: tickled me out of my mind out of what you were saying was the Wast Eland when you were referring to the wasteland.
• 51:39
  Uh-huh.
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  And
• 51:41
  you can help me correct this. I know it's in
• 51:45
  and I believe its roots is in the common law is a legal action called adverse possession.
• 51:51
  What do you know about that? Well,
• 51:54
  Unknown: adverse possession
• 51:55
  is as strange as Monahan calls it in his treatise on property law, a strange and wonderful doctrine of our common law. But it's strange to the world, it is, but it's consonant with our common law because our common law is the law of the land. It is land law fundamentally above all things and we believe or we had used to, we don't talk about it that the will of our maker came from the skies
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  to the land. That's why Jesus Christ said when you pray, pray
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  our father who art in the skies in heavens,
• 52:28
  thy kingdom
• 52:29
  come, thy arrangement of authority,
• 52:31
  Thy will be done, the will of the sovereign is law, on land
• 52:35
  as it is in the sky. You know in the sky, the law of God, the will of God is perfectly followed.
• 52:41
  The heavenly bodies
• 52:44
  we can predict
• 52:45
  to absolute precision in
• 52:48
  the unmeasurable future where each of those bodies will be at any given point of time.
• 52:54
  They operate perfectly. They do the exact will of the law giver
• 52:58
  and but down here on land,
• 53:00
  that's not the way it goes.
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  Isaac Newton said, I can predict precisely
• 53:06
  the movements of the heavenly bodies but I cannot
• 53:09
  cannot
• 53:10
  accurately predict anything men will do because the fly and the ointment down here
• 53:15
  is us
• 53:16
  and the fallen
• 53:18
  messengers, the fallen agents of God called
• 53:22
  demons.
• 53:24
  That's the problem down here. That's why we're to pray. We're to pray that his order
• 53:32
  believe that the law of the land is the
• 53:35
  law, the will of the sovereign that comes from the skies to the land. That's been the policy of our common law. Along with that Roger
• 53:41
  comes the preeminent imports of the land and our maker
• 53:45
  within his
• 53:47
  trust settlement with our grandpa Adam gave him what reformers called the covenant and the covenant was all about the land and he gave our grandpa Adam a parcel of real estate and he says, oh here's what I want you to do with it. Well he didn't do that. And so he was thrown off the land. It vomited him out as it says later of Israel and the Canaanites were vomited out of the land because all of the land
• 54:09
  of this place we called earth is precious to God beyond our imagination and he wants us to take care of it. And what he wants us to do is make it productive. Now that I should have said this upfront. I apologize. Adverse possession of common law follows that principle of the trust settlement of God with our maker
• 54:25
  about land.
• 54:26
  Adverse possession says if
• 54:29
  you use land that's not being used, somebody that has a
• 54:33
  formal title to it is not using it, not making it productive, and you do so for a certain period of time and make
• 54:40
  it productive
• 54:41
  with
• 54:43
  a high hand. You're not trying to hide it, and you do it consistently for a certain number of years in every state
• 54:49
  a different number of years but the principle is the same,
• 54:52
  then you can go to court and get title to that land. Right.
• 54:57
  Unknown: In Georgia, it's seven years and the holding has to be open and notorious.
• 55:03
  Unknown: Open and notorious, yes. And you...
• 55:06
  Once you do that, the reason for that is because it follows the trust settlement of God because all of God's law comes back
• 55:14
  to supporting the idea that He wants His land productive. And isn't that interesting that there's they've
• 55:20
  Unknown: another of those common law principles that they've taken and
• 55:25
  graft ed into the
• 55:27
  new man made laws, but it's still there, see?
• 55:31
  Darrell Right. Darrell joined us. He heard his name used earlier, not in vain,
• 55:36
  and so we're always interested in what he has to add and say. Hey, Darrell. How are doing today?
• 55:42
  Unknown: Well, hi, gentlemen.
• 55:45
  Yeah. This...
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  Brent, Bob, everybody,
• 55:48
  good morning.
• 55:49
  Good morning. Brent, would you
• 55:51
  would you take a moment and
• 55:55
  compare adverse possession to constructive possession,
• 55:59
  sort of distinguish those two? Because
• 56:02
  I I
• 56:03
  I I believe that... My my impression of constructing...
• 56:06
  Constructive possession
• 56:08
  is a...
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  Is the
• 56:12
  subversion and perversion of adverse
• 56:15
  possession.
• 56:16
  Unknown: Well, I've had experience with adverse possession,
• 56:19
  and so I've had reason to look into it more lively. I haven't had experience
• 56:24
  with constructive possession a lot, but little. And I'll just tell you what I know about it, then you can tell me what you know. Apparently, you you might...
• 56:34
  Possession is when you don't... This is my conclusion from what little I know about it. When you don't really have possession,
• 56:40
  but
• 56:41
  the law entitles you to possession and the court declares it even though it hasn't been true. Is... Am I close at all?
• 56:48
  Unknown: Well,
• 56:50
  you know, I... I'm not much of an authority on it, only that every time I hear it
• 56:56
  brought up in a
• 56:58
  law... A legal conversation,
• 57:01
  it's been used to
• 57:03
  fabricate
• 57:06
  a charge against
• 57:08
  a man or woman.
• 57:10
  For example,
• 57:13
  there was this fellow out in the Bundy situation,
• 57:18
  and his name was Pete Santelli.
• 57:21
  And the
• 57:22
  government brought against him
• 57:25
  a weapons charge
• 57:28
  when he he, in fact, did not even have a weapon in his possession, but they used constructive possession
• 57:35
  to fabricate a charge.
• 57:38
  You have... This is... This typically raises its ugly head
• 57:44
  when somebody maybe has a prior
• 57:47
  restraint against him. So, like,
• 57:50
  if somebody had
• 57:55
  I recently had experienced to find out that a man had been denied his second amendment rights.
• 58:01
  He was complying with that.
• 58:04
  He got married,
• 58:05
  and the woman that he married had a bunch of guns,
• 58:09
  and they were 500 miles away from where they were located.
• 58:13
  And
• 58:14
  the government charged him with constructive possession.
• 58:19
  And
• 58:20
  that's
• 58:21
  that's why when you start talking about adverse possession, it
• 58:26
  provoked my
• 58:27
  questioning
• 58:29
  Unknown: of that. Let me add something, Darrell, and probably Brent can clarify it if I'm wrong,
• 58:33
  but the principle of adverse possession goes back to the highest utilization
• 58:38
  of the land theory.
• 58:40
  And if there's land that is there that someone is not utilizing
• 58:45
  and you think you can and you go in and
• 58:48
  fulfill those requirements
• 58:50
  in Georgia,
• 58:51
  after seven years, the land's yours. Yeah. And the reason, I think, is not what it is,
• 58:57
  is more important the reason for it.
• 59:01
  Unknown: No. I agree. Yeah. Okay. It only applies to land and it does not run against the government. In other words, if the city
• 59:10
  has a sidewalk by
• 59:11
  your property, and these are some of the cases I've been involved in, and they try to pour concrete and fix the sidewalk and pour it across the line over on you,
• 59:21
  and
• 59:22
  you know, you can come back and claim and say, no. Get off. But if you try to then
• 59:28
  say, well, they're not using this strip of land here along the road. I'll just start bailing it up for hay
• 59:33
  and do that for seven years and pay the taxes and all that and then go into court and try to get title to it, that won't
• 59:40
  happen because it doesn't run against that. In the old days, they said it didn't run against the crown. Well, it doesn't run against the government.
• 59:46
  Yeah.
• 59:47
  But this thing about I I extension.
• 59:50
  I'm I'm in... If you know that case,
• 59:53
  Darrell,
• 59:54
  and you have a site to it, send it to me because that is important and that is a perversion of law to do that. I know what... I see what you're saying now. And it is something I've heard. I've never seen a case of it. I've heard of them but I've never been involved one... With one but that whole idea that you're talking about with firearms and and your wife and that's
• 1:00:13
  unworkable. It's untenable and and it takes away the right of firearm ownership of your wife or of your husband if it's the other way around.
• 1:00:21
  And
• 1:00:22
  I don't know it's ever been tested in court,
• 1:00:25
  but it
• 1:00:26
  Unknown: will be no doubt. Well, I know one thing. They sure wanna get the guns away from every wife and husband they can get them away from.
• 1:00:34
  Unknown: Yeah. Because the policy...
• 1:00:36
  Go ahead, Daryl.
• 1:00:38
  Unknown: Go ahead. Well, I just think what you're talking about is really important.
• 1:00:42
  And,
• 1:00:43
  of course, my mind immediately springs to the the opposite.
• 1:00:47
  The...
• 1:00:48
  You know, for for everything that is... Has virtue
• 1:00:51
  righteousness into it, there's the,
• 1:00:54
  you know, the, you know, the big word, the dialectic. You know, I'm always looking for the opposite,
• 1:00:58
  and
• 1:00:59
  that appears to be the the... Their opposite in what form of law it takes and where it...
• 1:01:06
  They find their authority and jurisdiction in that. So I'm always... That's how my mind works. Yep.
• 1:01:12
  And
• 1:01:14
  so I I know for everything virtuous, there's gonna be a perversion.
• 1:01:18
  There's the opposite.
• 1:01:19
  Unknown: And there Yeah. Yeah. And there's what... And Roger talked about this Jewish fella in major minor in past centuries that took that whole idea
• 1:01:28
  where sin doth abound, grace doth much more abound. When Paul said that, he was speaking directly to that rabbinic heresy that says the Messiah won't come until evil reaches a certain level so let's just send it up and we'll hasten His coming.
• 1:01:42
  What he was driving at. Yeah, we don't want to do that and we live with that madness, the subtlety of it. But this thing about constructive possession,
• 1:01:51
  this whole thing about felons and firearms is being used
• 1:01:55
  in a very powerful way and it's underneath and nobody seems to care. See? Because it doesn't affect me. I'm... And I'm... It's not bothering me.
• 1:02:04
  I'm not a felon and felons are people that are in jail and they're all bad people. Well I'm here to tell you if anybody's listening, I'm speaking to prison guards. I'm speaking to police officers. I'm speaking to goody two shoes
• 1:02:15
  in the churches. No, that's not true at all. And most of the people in the Bible that wrote the Bible wound up in jail, don't forget that or dead.
• 1:02:22
  And so including the prophets of the older testament,
• 1:02:26
  Jeremiah
• 1:02:26
  for example and we don't know about all of them but don't say the evil empire majors in jails. That's what they're all about, dungeons and prisons
• 1:02:35
  and God says those things are not to be a part of the governments of men. Men are not to jail people for crimes. We don't have that jurisdiction.
• 1:02:44
  What do we have jurisdiction to do for the things that
• 1:02:47
  the world says they have power over people to do? Well the Bible tells us
• 1:02:52
  how to handle what it calls crimes.
• 1:02:55
  And
• 1:02:55
  it says of course too, we should not make things crimes that the Bible does not say reach to that level of offense.
• 1:03:02
  For example, smoking marijuana.
• 1:03:04
  For example, drinking liquor. Is it stupid to do those things? Yeah, in most all cases that's very stupid. It's very dangerous. The Bible makes that clear everywhere
• 1:03:13
  but it does not give it a criminal status. And for us to do that is to bring upon ourselves hell we don't want and we have the results of it now as we look about us and look at our prisons being full
• 1:03:25
  Unknown: and all that is but it feeds into an industry of course. Then that also gives a handle a handle to government when it comes to firearms as you had mentioned, Darrell. Back to you. Well, I'll tell you what always when you talk about the people that shouldn't have been in jail and the first things that pop into mind are my two teachers, John and Ben and Glenn, who spent fifteen and a half years in federal prison.
• 1:03:49
  Oh, yeah. For speaking truth to power.
• 1:03:53
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:03:54
  Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  Unknown: Well, I I like to I like to bring it back into business terms.
• 1:04:00
  See, they're running a business.
• 1:04:02
  It's it's a business, and I call it the
• 1:04:06
  punishment for profit plan. That's their business plan. I think they have a white paper on that.
• 1:04:11
  And
• 1:04:13
  it it... I... So I I mean, I I sorta had to get over my outrage, really. I mean, on this, you know, I I really did.
• 1:04:20
  It helped me anyway. I'm just speaking for me. Uh-huh. Because I started looking at it like a business plan.
• 1:04:26
  And and
• 1:04:28
  I've I've wrote a few of those.
• 1:04:30
  And
• 1:04:32
  they can be short or they can be detailed.
• 1:04:35
  And
• 1:04:37
  so I I sort of go over my moral outrage and my all my other emotions. And I I started looking at all this as a business plan,
• 1:04:44
  and and then I can see it more clearly.
• 1:04:47
  And I can relate to what they're doing even if I don't agree with it. So
• 1:04:52
  their
• 1:04:53
  business,
• 1:04:54
  and they're in the business of of
• 1:04:57
  making money,
• 1:04:58
  and this is how they do it. You know what their business is, Darryl? They
• 1:05:03
  Unknown: Their business,
• 1:05:04
  we would call the company store.
• 1:05:07
  Okay,
• 1:05:08
  except there's one really important difference. I've just been thinking about this last few days, the reason I'm injecting it here.
• 1:05:14
  In the company store
• 1:05:18
  form,
• 1:05:19
  the people were there voluntarily
• 1:05:22
  and they used a script and they did their work and they paid with the script for their houses and their groceries and their clothes,
• 1:05:29
  and it was a little self contained economy. They've just enlarged that
• 1:05:34
  and it's global is how they're trying institute it. It's much more complicated than the old company store, but in those two different scenarios,
• 1:05:42
  the one thing that was really important difference, I would think, is that in the company store model,
• 1:05:48
  the people were not property.
• 1:05:50
  They were there voluntarily.
• 1:05:53
  And in this one, where there is property and then tricked
• 1:05:58
  with the usage of these words to consent
• 1:06:01
  that we're voluntarily
• 1:06:03
  doing it.
• 1:06:07
  Unknown: Yeah. So, I mean, which which came first there? I mean,
• 1:06:12
  I I I agree with that. But which came first? Was it was it that somebody realized
• 1:06:18
  after having the company store that
• 1:06:21
  if you could if you could create the circumstances
• 1:06:24
  in a locality
• 1:06:26
  where people didn't have other options,
• 1:06:29
  would that
• 1:06:30
  motivate them to volunteer?
• 1:06:34
  So
• 1:06:36
  when you control the circumstances in a given geographical
• 1:06:39
  populated area,
• 1:06:41
  then you can compel people without forcing them.
• 1:06:45
  And you can, you know, you can't lead a horse to water. Hey, Brent. You can't lead a horse to water,
• 1:06:50
  but you can feed emotes.
• 1:06:53
  And if you if you you feed emotes,
• 1:06:58
  he'll get thirsty.
• 1:06:59
  Unknown: Right? Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah.
• 1:07:03
  Unknown: Well, then folk folk at home talk about salting the oats. You know? And then... And if you salt the oats, you can make him awful thirsty. Yeah. I get your point.
• 1:07:11
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, why do you why do you why do you provide peanuts at the bar? Good point. Yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Unknown: Know Free peanuts. Business
• 1:07:21
  Unknown: plan. The federal prison system was incorporated
• 1:07:24
  under Roosevelt
• 1:07:26
  for a very important reason.
• 1:07:28
  Of course, it's for profit. That's why. It is called Federal
• 1:07:32
  Prison
• 1:07:33
  Industries
• 1:07:34
  Incorporated.
• 1:07:35
  Yep. And before Alcatraz,
• 1:07:38
  there were no federal prisons in this country. Alcatraz
• 1:07:41
  was a showboat. They never did fill it up. The reason was there weren't any federal crimes. There weren't enough. There were some but not enough.
• 1:07:47
  The constitution only talks about four kinds of federal crime, just four.
• 1:07:51
  And now we have over 6,000 by this time. The last figures I had were 5,500
• 1:07:57
  and that was in a report written headed up by Ed Meese in 1999
• 1:08:02
  over concern over the federalization of criminal law and
• 1:08:07
  there are only four kinds of crimes. There
• 1:08:10
  is foremost,
• 1:08:11
  of course, treason against The United States.
• 1:08:14
  There is piracy and felonies committed on the high seas,
• 1:08:19
  violations of international law,
• 1:08:22
  and counter feiting the currency and current coin and securities of The United States. That's it. Our constitution doesn't give jurisdiction to the federal courts to entertain any other kinds of kinds of crime. But yet, like you're talking about this firearm thing, which is clearly
• 1:08:38
  in in opposition to the second amendment. It says shall not infringe.
• 1:08:43
  There's no reason to take away fire... And never was an American until very recently. It it... I didn't make any difference. Watch your... If you paid for it, you went to prison, you got out, that was it. You weren't marked for life. Now it's a life sentence in many many ways to to go to prison. Well, I... Yeah.
• 1:09:01
  Unknown: Well, I mean, Brett, look. I mean, I I I didn't know the history on that, but it fits perfectly with my my perspective is all they're doing is increasing their market share through legislation.
• 1:09:13
  That's right. See, all these all these so called... All these crimes all these crimes
• 1:09:19
  are are legislated.
• 1:09:22
  These crimes are legislated into being. And who makes those? More legislators.
• 1:09:27
  So legislators are making crime, and they're expanding their business market. Sort of self serving. It's... I call it the veritable self licking ice cream cone. Darrell, I think I think this is important.
• 1:09:39
  Unknown: Let me add this. When a bill has to either originate in the House or the Senate,
• 1:09:44
  they have to agree at some point or compromise into an agreement, and then it's passed to the president
• 1:09:50
  and he signs it. And when that happens,
• 1:09:54
  that is assumed
• 1:09:55
  to be constitutional,
• 1:09:57
  and it is moved over into the statutes at large.
• 1:10:01
  At that point, it is taken and transferred over into the code. If it's taken whole cloth,
• 1:10:08
  it's called positive law. If it's not, it's called non positive law. This is the way I understand it over all these years,
• 1:10:15
  and once it hits the code,
• 1:10:18
  then they take and give it to the administrative agency of jurisdiction
• 1:10:23
  of the type of law it is,
• 1:10:25
  and
• 1:10:26
  that's where the sausage is made.
• 1:10:28
  That's where it's turned into man made laws is at the administrative
• 1:10:32
  level.
• 1:10:35
  When it's passed, it's presumed to be constitutional.
• 1:10:38
  Isn't that correct, That's
• 1:10:40
  Unknown: presumption. And then what they end up doing by the time it gets to regulation, the goal of the law of the city is to preempt
• 1:10:47
  every possible contingency
• 1:10:50
  that might bump forth from the flux of human existence and
• 1:10:54
  and control it. Control the future.
• 1:10:57
  And this is a recent innovation.
• 1:10:59
  We didn't have criminal codes in America until not too long ago. And even when was in law school, we learned... If we learned what the code said, we found out that the code was a codification
• 1:11:09
  of what the courts had come up with for law. But we also learned the common law standard which a lot of times is like the code but once the codes get started, we didn't have them until criminal codes until recently. Once they get started,
• 1:11:21
  then the legislature just feels freedom to just manufacture. Well we think this is wrong. Somebody ought to write a law and we had... I'd like to use burglary for an example because it's so clear at common law. The courts had set out the precise elements
• 1:11:35
  of it
• 1:11:36
  and
• 1:11:37
  now it's in statutory form in most every state. We don't need statutes.
• 1:11:41
  We got along great in our English speaking world.
• 1:11:44
  People say yet and they did years ago. I assume it's still true in Britain. There is no statute against murder in Britain.
• 1:11:53
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:11:54
  Unknown: I Right. I see I see you. I'm
• 1:11:58
  Unknown: sorry. Go No.
• 1:12:00
  Unknown: Well, Britt No. I'm sorry. I What's happening? Tell you, bro. Let let me let me tell you what's happening. You're dropping out occasionally for for maybe a second or two,
• 1:12:09
  and
• 1:12:10
  then you come back in strong, and that's what Darrell thought right there, you'd stop, so that's what's going on, and it's probably
• 1:12:16
  in the internet somewhere between here and there. Darrell, your phone, again,
• 1:12:22
  you're a little too close and you're kinda exhaling into the microphone there. If you could back that off just a little bit, I think it'd be much better. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead, please. I I... Yeah.
• 1:12:33
  Unknown: Go ahead, Daryl. Well,
• 1:12:36
  Unknown: I was
• 1:12:37
  I was just I was just going on about...
• 1:12:41
  Well, part of this part of the sound in the speaker too is that I I got it on speakerphone because I I can't stand to hold it up to my head anymore. Sure. So
• 1:12:51
  the the thing the thing is is that they... You made the comment, which I think is very important
• 1:12:59
  because it's... It it goes to perspective,
• 1:13:02
  is that
• 1:13:04
  we were getting along just fine
• 1:13:06
  without
• 1:13:07
  all these statutes.
• 1:13:09
  Mhmm. Okay. Well,
• 1:13:13
  see, I would I would agree with that perspective,
• 1:13:17
  but I don't look at what they're doing from that perspective.
• 1:13:21
  I look at what they're doing from their perspective.
• 1:13:24
  Uh-huh. And their perspective
• 1:13:27
  their perspective is
• 1:13:30
  that they were getting along fine. Yeah. And
• 1:13:33
  and and that they needed to increase their market share. They needed to find a way to expand
• 1:13:39
  their ability their ability, not not... See, I don't confuse...
• 1:13:44
  See, my perspective is I don't confuse
• 1:13:47
  we with them.
• 1:13:49
  Unknown: Alright.
• 1:13:50
  Unknown: Uh-huh. I don't complete that.
• 1:13:53
  I I distinguish between we and them.
• 1:13:56
  Yeah. Because I... It's obvious to me that we're...
• 1:14:00
  We and them are at cross purposes.
• 1:14:02
  Unknown: Oh, no... I see. They're they're in contradistinction to us. They are enemies, the people that want that. Yeah. No question. Right. So so I understand your motivation,
• 1:14:13
  Unknown: and it's
• 1:14:14
  it's sort of a well worn and maybe sometimes overused
• 1:14:18
  metaphor or or example.
• 1:14:20
  But this is a perfect example of Sun Tzu. Yes. It is. We only know...
• 1:14:26
  If if we only know what we know and we don't know
• 1:14:30
  what they know or want
• 1:14:32
  Yes. We're gonna get rolled.
• 1:14:35
  Unknown: No. We're gonna get rolled. Have been. Have been. I started early learning lessons like that and that's why I believe Paul in the New Testament says that it's important to learn and know
• 1:14:45
  the wiles,
• 1:14:47
  w I l e s, of the devil. And as I get older, I learn more and more and I I do better and better.
• 1:14:54
  I was just talking to an elderly couple
• 1:14:56
  two days ago and I said all the trouble you've been through in your life and all the things you learned, they got rolled again. We were in court.
• 1:15:04
  Yeah. I fooled them, you know? And I know they're savvy. They've lived a long time and run successful business but no matter how smart you get, there's always one more of the devil is put more clever than we are and we let our guard down too. That's the problem. And the bible tells us not to do that. Stay awake, stay alert, it says. And stand. Know what's going on around you, keep your head up, be thinking.
• 1:15:26
  Well, that's what we need to try to do. How about you Roger?
• 1:15:30
  Unknown: How about constant vigilance?
• 1:15:32
  Unknown: Well, that's a nice word. Sounds awful fancy.
• 1:15:35
  Unknown: Yeah. That's poetic. Well, he's a fancy... He's a pretty fancy guy. Well well
• 1:15:41
  Unknown: But it makes the point. You you could you you could also...
• 1:15:46
  You know, in this conversation, you could you could
• 1:15:49
  draw out the idea of of...
• 1:15:52
  If this idea has merit that I'm bringing forward,
• 1:15:55
  then there are question arises out of that. If it has merit,
• 1:15:59
  which is why do we consent to residing
• 1:16:02
  and being subject
• 1:16:04
  to somebody
• 1:16:05
  whose
• 1:16:07
  interest, their self interest,
• 1:16:09
  is at
• 1:16:11
  odds with us?
• 1:16:13
  Unknown: And That goes right back to Colossians two twenty. It goes back to ignorance,
• 1:16:18
  Unknown: Darrell.
• 1:16:20
  It's just ignorant. When they ask you that question and they've equivocated that and you don't know what the heck they're talking about and you just like a... You just go right... Follow a Judas goat right to the slaughterhouse.
• 1:16:34
  Unknown: Well, to inject a little bit of levity, I think instead of being constantly
• 1:16:38
  vigilant, we need to be alert because the world needs more alert.
• 1:16:43
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:16:44
  More alerts, you say. L e r t s? Exactly. Yeah. More alerts. The world needs more alerts.
• 1:16:51
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:16:54
  Okay.
• 1:16:56
  Unknown: Well, I could tell Brent had something on his mind today
• 1:17:00
  because every week when we go on, I always... I'm I'm always nervous that something's gonna happen and we're not gonna have him on. And so when I get up, I get in front of the computer and I send him a little message.
• 1:17:12
  Well, I got up a little late today actually but he had already sent me a message this morning. So, I knew you were chomping at the bit about something, Brent.
• 1:17:21
  Unknown: Well, I went and
• 1:17:24
  thought through again Genesis
• 1:17:25
  or Genesis
• 1:17:27
  and those first few verses and my friends,
• 1:17:31
  my friends,
• 1:17:32
  they
• 1:17:34
  have put the Bible in second place to geology
• 1:17:38
  and they think they're seeing what they're seeing proves what they want the Bible to say.
• 1:17:43
  It's subtle. I mean I'm talking about people that would swear up and down they believe the Bible and it's the constant never ending
• 1:17:50
  danger that will put the Bible in second place and we must be alert
• 1:17:56
  to that because the evidence,
• 1:17:59
  the evidence that trumps all evidence is the writings, the law, the testimony of this book.
• 1:18:05
  It's stronger.
• 1:18:07
  Peter the Apostle says, it is a sure word. More sure he says than the voice of God himself coming out of the skies which he said, I heard. I heard the voice of God when I was with Jesus Christ on the mount. And he said you have a more sure word.
• 1:18:23
  It is the doctrine we call inerrancy but that has to be defined a little bit to say what do I mean by that and I do not mean as the King James do that God has preserved his word to us ultimately.
• 1:18:34
  The final rule of faith and practice is the King James Bible. That's the same thing the Romanists are saying. They're saying the Vulgate's been around a thousand years and Rome says that in cases of misunderstanding
• 1:18:45
  or contradiction
• 1:18:48
  is the final rule. Not the original, the Greek of the newer testament and the Hebrew and the Aramaic of the older testament. Not those manuscripts
• 1:18:58
  but what Jerome translated is the final rule.
• 1:19:01
  Well, the King James' take the same
• 1:19:05
  King James Bible is is the final final rule. That's not what Jesus Christ said and that's not what we should be saying and then now we've got the fundamentalists that many of them by the way are King James. It seems to be prevalent
• 1:19:17
  among the group that
• 1:19:19
  are at places like
• 1:19:22
  the Creation Museum
• 1:19:23
  and I'm not against those guys. A lot of them are my friends. I know people that are teachers there and
• 1:19:28
  I wanna remain friends with them but I disagree with them on that point. They are hiring PhD geologist
• 1:19:34
  to support their point of view and that's not the final rule. The final rule is the grammar
• 1:19:40
  and the
• 1:19:41
  words
• 1:19:42
  of what God has said in the manuscripts we have of those original tongues.
• 1:19:47
  I even know something... This is how subtle it gets. One guy and I like to listen to him, he's really... He's a learned man on many
• 1:19:54
  points.
• 1:19:55
  But he says well the newer testament, the gospel records weren't written in Koine Greek. They were written in Aramaic.
• 1:20:01
  And these are just translations we have. And boy, you can go into some sophisticated
• 1:20:06
  proofs from outside the Bible why that's true. Well, that's all good and fine. But that's not the final rule. The final rule are the manuscripts we have. And I think we can see clearly that the manuscripts we have,
• 1:20:17
  we can justify easily just from the manuscripts themselves
• 1:20:21
  that these are the original writings. One of the reasons I say that is because some of the plays on words of both the older testament and the newer testament don't work if you put it into Latin or you put it into Aramaic. No, they only work in the languages in which the Bible was written. And without
• 1:20:37
  the plays on words, I mean things that are really intended to be humorous.
• 1:20:41
  Like I can go the
• 1:20:43
  creation account we talk about in Genesis and God says and I like to translate it this way. God says,
• 1:20:50
  God made man,
• 1:20:52
  he made Adam from Adama and
• 1:20:55
  called him Adam.
• 1:20:57
  He made man from dirt and called him mud. You could say that. That's not too far fetched And that's a little bit humorous and of course the names of the people in the Bible,
• 1:21:07
  those are humorous
• 1:21:09
  also in many cases not to mention profoundly truthful and need to be paid attention to. Isaac's
• 1:21:15
  name is that way. Jacob's name
• 1:21:18
  means chiseler.
• 1:21:19
  Chiseler.
• 1:21:20
  Cheat. Swindler.
• 1:21:22
  Well, if you understand it, if it's in another language, it wouldn't be understood that way. It wouldn't have the same meaning
• 1:21:28
  usually.
• 1:21:29
  The Latin Vulgate doesn't even translate a lot of the words as the English translations, they just transliterate them. They don't say what they mean, they try to pronounce them. The word baptism is that way in the newer testament. Of course,
• 1:21:44
  we have those kinds of plays on words all through the older testament and of course into the newer testament. I like to talk about the verse that says, Wives, be subject to your own husbands.
• 1:21:54
  Your own husbands.
• 1:21:59
  Not
• 1:22:00
  somebody else's husband. And the Greek word there and I like to translate it, wives be subject to your idiot husbands.
• 1:22:06
  Of course, that gets a laugh from them. That get a laugh from them because that's what the word is there. To transliterate it, it's ideos which means in the sense the medical community uses that word to talk about some something that's unique.
• 1:22:20
  The Greek word ideos.
• 1:22:21
  We've
• 1:22:23
  taken it and changed the meaning to mean something very negative. That wasn't the idea. But it means peculiar to you.
• 1:22:29
  Idiot.
• 1:22:30
  Peculiar to you. Wives, the point about that verse is not about wives.
• 1:22:35
  Wives are to be subject to their husband but that's not the stress of that verse. The stress of that verse because of that word idios,
• 1:22:41
  you'd be subject to your husband, not somebody else's. What does that mean? Well that means it's not best you're working for somebody else, helping them build their business.
• 1:22:49
  You're subject to somebody else's husband and that's dangerous and it tears down the family. That's the point of that verse and that's what Paul was saying there.
• 1:22:59
  Unknown: All through the Bible it's that way. Back to you, Roger. Saw a clip somebody sent me last night. It was kind of humorous and it was a comedian
• 1:23:06
  and he was up there doing his role and he said,
• 1:23:09
  I was in a situation where I lived in an apartment next door
• 1:23:13
  to a 90 year old man with Alzheimer's.
• 1:23:17
  And he said, It got to the point where every morning at 09:00 he'd knock on my door,
• 1:23:22
  and I'd open the door and he said he was looking for his wife,
• 1:23:26
  and every morning I had to tell him that his wife had been dead for thirty years.
• 1:23:32
  And he said, I could have moved,
• 1:23:36
  I could have not answered the door,
• 1:23:38
  but I got a particular satisfaction
• 1:23:41
  out of telling him every morning that his wife had been dead for thirty years and seeing the smile on his face.
• 1:23:52
  Unknown: You know,
• 1:23:54
  my grandma used to... She lived to be right at 102 and she got to telling us things that and we'd look at her like, wow. She's losing it. And then she'd kinda grin at us as though she were just trying to make us think she was crazy, you know, because I don't think she was. But she'd laugh.
• 1:24:12
  And when she finally... We got... She got
• 1:24:17
  unable to take care of herself and we couldn't lift her... Mom and dad couldn't lift her around and my uncles and aunts and in her final days, she went there in that little town to the nursing home and I go visit her and I could see a lot of people there I'd known when I was growing up and
• 1:24:31
  it was a pretty nice place but somebody walked by, some janitor walked by with a couple of big trash cans and
• 1:24:38
  and she she'd look out the door and she'd say, well, they're taking another body out of here. You know, like they were chopping them up and throwing them in the trash can.
• 1:24:47
  I'd say, what are you talking about? And then she would tell me that's what they were doing there. And then I'd look at her kinda funny and I'd say, oh, grandma, and then she kinda just grin at me. You know? I think she was joking. I think some people get kick out of that when they get old because they remember when older people did it to them. You know? I don't know. I don't know what's going on with them, but now I do know there is a
• 1:25:07
  condition called Alzheimer's
• 1:25:09
  and people get
• 1:25:11
  pretty upset and nervous. It's hard on them. I recognize that too. Would that a prevalent... You know, Alzheimer's,
• 1:25:18
  Unknown: onslaught of it is fairly recent and I don't remember hearing about it. I guess they called it in the old days dementia
• 1:25:25
  and now they've got this fancy word for it, but you know what, I honestly believe is the cause of a lot of that?
• 1:25:32
  What?
• 1:25:33
  Deodorants.
• 1:25:38
  Because they've got heavy aluminum for antiperspirant.
• 1:25:41
  Unknown: Aluminum.
• 1:25:42
  Unknown: I was gonna say aluminum. I was gonna say that and aluminum pots and pans. Well, not as much that from what I've read as this deodorant thing. Once you put it on, you know how sensitive that part of your body is,
• 1:25:55
  and once you get it into those capillaries and aluminum goes across the blood brain barrier,
• 1:26:01
  and how many people are using antiperspirants
• 1:26:04
  every day because, oh Lord, you don't want a smell, you don't want this, and just for people in the audience, years ago,
• 1:26:11
  thirty, thirty five years ago, one of the guys that I worked with used
• 1:26:17
  salt rocks.
• 1:26:19
  You can go to the health food store and you can buy a salt rock
• 1:26:22
  and you can use the salt and the salt will stop the odor. It's not an antiperspirant,
• 1:26:28
  but you don't smell, okay, and it has no aluminum.
• 1:26:33
  Unknown: Oh, there are a lot of options other than aluminum. I agree and I've been hearing that for years, Roger. And I I have to believe that a lot of these chemicals as we become more sophisticated, we have a lot of chemicals in our lives and I've even heard people say, well, I can look at aluminum pots, Roger, and I can see the food burnt into them. And if the food is burnt into the aluminum, I know the aluminum's coming out into the into the food too. Yeah. And I've given an order in my own home. I said I want all the aluminum utensils out of here. Yep. Let's get them out. I don't care what it costs. We gotta do something different. If I had the money, Roger, I'd buy everything in copper. Well, I was gonna say, just that copper is the alternative and you can get some of that stuff fairly cheaply on Amazon and and eBay and whatnot.
• 1:27:16
  Unknown: Well, don't need to look. There's the good element coming in and getting into your system via that avenue.
• 1:27:23
  Unknown: Well, we've gone... Gotten away from copper piping,
• 1:27:26
  and copper kills a lot of bad stuff. As you have said to me before, and I've heard doctors, matter of fact, I went into a restaurant in California not too many years ago. It was a Mexican restaurant down in Sacramento.
• 1:27:38
  And I noticed all of the tables had copper sheeting on them, you know, riveted around the edges.
• 1:27:45
  And
• 1:27:46
  they'd come by and wipe it off and I got to talking to the manager. I said, boy, that's gotta be expensive, doesn't it? He said, oh yeah, it's expensive but we penciled it out. It's cheaper than buying the disinfectant
• 1:27:57
  that the state requires us to buy if we don't have copper tops. But if we have copper tops, the state doesn't require us to buy the expensive disinfectant
• 1:28:07
  because the copper kills what they're worried about. And I've been to... There's some confirmation
• 1:28:13
  Unknown: for you when the state comes out and endorses Yeah. What you're
• 1:28:18
  Unknown: And of course, I've been to places where bars are
• 1:28:21
  heated with copper and that's the reason. And we've taken... Used to be, of course, all hot water heaters
• 1:28:27
  were piped with copper and then when they were installed, they were... Copper pipe was used to bring the hot water out
• 1:28:34
  and
• 1:28:35
  we don't do those things anymore and I think it's hurting us.
• 1:28:39
  Unknown: I read an article just the other day, you know that travesty up in Flint, Michigan that's become exposed over the last few years?
• 1:28:47
  What is it? Well, they put lead pipes in.
• 1:28:51
  They got all these people in... This is Flint, Michigan now, and all these people that
• 1:28:57
  have been affected by that from learning disabilities
• 1:29:00
  and everything else, and now they've got a bunch of money up there, and they're trying to replace the pipes. They hired a company and they were going to dig up all the old ones and they went to digging up a bunch of the ones they had them dig up and they were copper pipes.
• 1:29:16
  Oh. So, there were some copper but there were a lot more lead and in the bureaucratic
• 1:29:22
  schematics,
• 1:29:23
  they didn't differentiate,
• 1:29:25
  and so the company that's
• 1:29:27
  going out to fix it digs up the good pipes that they should have left right there. Jim Ram joins us. That's kind of a rare occurrence. I'm always happy to have him and Jim, I apologize
• 1:29:38
  to you publicly
• 1:29:39
  that I every day neglect to say people hang around because Jim Ram's next and I wanted to apologize
• 1:29:46
  for that. I just got too darn many things on my mind and always forget it and so how you doing, Jim? Glad to have you with us.
• 1:29:54
  Unknown: Hi, Sarge.
• 1:29:57
  Unknown: I think he's with us. Jim, you there?
• 1:30:02
  Well, okay. I guess he, I don't know if he's fooling with his mic or what but I think he's there and he just can't nod or can't talk at the moment. So, I get Jim. I thought he was going to. Well, when you can when you can enter inject in the conversation, you join us. Otherwise, I don't wanna sit there and beat a dead horse.
• 1:30:20
  Unknown: Where would y'all like to go here in the last thirty minutes mention this thing about copper a little more and maybe Jim can weigh in some time or mention it on his show if he knows anything about it. People
• 1:30:31
  used to talk about how dangerous doorknobs are
• 1:30:34
  and you can get diseases
• 1:30:36
  from doorknobs and I find it significant
• 1:30:39
  that doorknobs used to be made of brass which is a mixture of copper,
• 1:30:44
  usually copper and tin.
• 1:30:47
  And zinc has traditionally been defined as a mixture between copper and zinc.
• 1:30:52
  So they're somewhat of the same thing. Of course, the zinc and the nickel
• 1:30:56
  or the... Yeah, did I say zinc? Yeah. Or nickel sometimes but that provides a hardness to the copper that allows it to have more uses that
• 1:31:04
  they won't wear away as quick and we have copper brass doorknobs. Is there something to that? Is the reason the folk used to do that is to help kill
• 1:31:14
  bacteria that's dangerous? I don't know the answer to that. I don't either. All
• 1:31:19
  Unknown: I know one thing that we find out is the
• 1:31:22
  old wives tales,
• 1:31:23
  you know? The old wives generally, it seems, knew what the hell they were talking about.
• 1:31:30
  Unknown: Yeah. They knew how to get along in the world and live a long time in ways that we've forgotten because we've gotten too big for our britches
• 1:31:37
  with all this all this stuff they're calling science, which is a lot of it science so called.
• 1:31:44
  Science will tell you to do a lot of things that don't need to be done. It was a rage when I was a boy starting with prince Charles. He started the ball rolling. He had his tonsils taken out. And then it became popular through the fifties and sixties, and everybody I knew.
• 1:31:58
  Every child
• 1:32:00
  to the time they could get their tonsils taken out. They thought that'd be fun. The doctors were making a fortune off of it. Well, I don't hear about that. Then later on, all the women were have their uteruses taken out because that was a problem. Gotta get rid of that uterus. That thing's nothing but a problem. Well, I don't see that anymore.
• 1:32:17
  And what is it now that people are popularly doing in the medical community to make a lot of money?
• 1:32:24
  Well,
• 1:32:25
  I'm not keeping up. There is... There are things there they're doing. They've always done tonsils.
• 1:32:31
  Unknown: And
• 1:32:32
  and I used to have a lot of throat problems when I was a kid, strep throat like kinda like Chris has got now.
• 1:32:38
  And I'd say, I don't want mine taken out, you know? But God God doesn't just put something in your body for no reason.
• 1:32:46
  Unknown: Oh, that's what I'm thinking too. I mean, off the lobe of your ear. You think it's not worthwhile, I think you'd miss it and it probably has more reason for being there than we even begin to understand.
• 1:32:57
  The appendix the same way, the spleen the same way.
• 1:33:00
  People say this, what's that appendix for? Well there's a reason for that appendix. Do I know what it is? No. But God doesn't do things for nothing. As it says, we say also with writings of legal significance but even more so with the writings of the true sovereign that are perfect.
• 1:33:16
  There are no superfluous words. There are no unnecessary
• 1:33:20
  words. There are... Every word tells importantly
• 1:33:24
  and I have to believe every part of my body is
• 1:33:28
  necessary.
• 1:33:29
  It is not superfluous in any way.
• 1:33:32
  So we should be careful not to think you don't need this or you don't need that if that's what God gave to you. No, I think you need it. Keep it as long as you can. Now I did have a friend recently who had a son who got in an accident and his spleen had to be removed because it burst.
• 1:33:48
  Well, there are instances
• 1:33:50
  but it's not the best situation where you have to have something like that removed but suppose a fellow can survive.
• 1:33:59
  Unknown: Is that Chris? You know, that's Jim. I finally got him. He's trying to call in and every time I answered it says it's a missed call. And so I said, let me try and call you and I think we got him this time. Hey, Jimbo.
• 1:34:12
  Unknown: Can you hear me this time? I sure can. Do you have the right switches on? Don't worry about it. I don't know what was going on. Normally, was I was on my phone,
• 1:34:20
  my headset, and I could hear you fine, but I don't know what was going on. But, anyway, I heard you guys talking about aluminum and Alzheimer's,
• 1:34:27
  and had to weigh in. That's actually bad science. Aluminum does not cause dementia.
• 1:34:32
  It's not good for you, but it doesn't cause dementia. Dementia is caused... Well, Alzheimer's is caused by a lack of cholesterol,
• 1:34:40
  believe it or not. When Alzheimer's
• 1:34:43
  didn't exist
• 1:34:44
  with any other name, police start demonizing cholesterol and put people on patent drugs.
• 1:34:49
  And when you take all the cholesterol out of the body, your brain is 75%
• 1:34:54
  by weight cholesterol. Yeah. And when you don't have enough cholesterol, it's like taking all the insulation off all the wiring in your house and how long does it be before you have to go to work and be hungry.
• 1:35:04
  That's actually where where
• 1:35:06
  Unknown: Alzheimer's come. What about, Jim? What about the difference in good cholesterol and bad cholesterol?
• 1:35:12
  Unknown: That's all BS from those MDs.
• 1:35:15
  Cholesterol is cholesterol. The stuff they call good and bad,
• 1:35:18
  the HDL and LDL, that's not even cholesterol. Those are lipoproteins
• 1:35:23
  that carry cholesterol through the body. The only thing you have to be worried about is your total cholesterol when you never ever ever want to 20.
• 1:35:32
  Okay. Idiot doctors at least below 200, in some cases, 1,200.
• 1:35:37
  Before my father-in-law passed away, he couldn't remember his plot. They had gotten his cholesterol down to about 85.
• 1:35:45
  That's why he was so... That's why he had no ability to remember anything.
• 1:35:50
  And it's just sad.
• 1:35:52
  But the thing about aluminum actually came from a bad science exam
• 1:35:57
  where they were testing some braking issues
• 1:36:00
  in an aluminum pan.
• 1:36:02
  And because it is an aluminum pan, there was high levels of aluminum in the samples. So the dummy doing the test decided, hey. That's gotta be causing it. Some of the lab tech fresh out of school decided, hey. Let's redo it. This time, we'll do it in glass.
• 1:36:16
  They used the same tissue
• 1:36:18
  sample, you know, the the same
• 1:36:21
  source, another sample from the same source, but they did it in glass this time. This time, there was no aluminum at all. So that shot that theory down, but, of course, the force is already out of the gate. And
• 1:36:34
  but, you know, I'm not saying aluminum could by any chance. Heavy... Just a heavy metal that hits the brain and other issues, but but it does not cause Alzheimer's.
• 1:36:43
  And so all all dementia were made to die. All reversed.
• 1:36:49
  That's
• 1:36:50
  that's a thing that people don't realize.
• 1:36:53
  Are you aware the copper stuff? I honestly don't know how that works, but I'm assuming it's got the same kind of things as Sulzer, where it's an antimicrobial,
• 1:37:02
  antibacterial
• 1:37:04
  type of thing
• 1:37:05
  and a lot less expensive.
• 1:37:08
  That's
• 1:37:09
  my my my...
• 1:37:10
  Unknown: Are you out in the barn today?
• 1:37:13
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:37:14
  I was, but no. I'm sitting in my living room like death rose over on this little bed shooting up one of our other dogs.
• 1:37:20
  Was my birthday.
• 1:37:22
  Unknown: Well The
• 1:37:24
  fidelity is a little choppy, just want to make sure or not. We got so many people on here, you never know where those interferences or degradations are coming from, but sure appreciate you chiming in, Jim.
• 1:37:36
  Unknown: Yeah. I was getting a safe time of message signal was speak to that kind of thing. It might be the number of people,
• 1:37:43
  but... You know? And I'm on my laptop,
• 1:37:45
  regular microphone, so that might have a little bit to do with it as well. Okay. But,
• 1:37:50
  anyway, I didn't wanna take up the rest of show. I just wanna chime in on that part just from a health standpoint.
• 1:37:58
  Know? Yeah. We'll... I... Years ago, I actually had a doctor that said, it's not anti
• 1:38:03
  bursitis because the lump sum plugs up your
• 1:38:07
  sweat glands
• 1:38:08
  and causes a real problem there.
• 1:38:11
  The mineral block type things like you're talking about, that's basically what I use.
• 1:38:15
  And
• 1:38:17
  I'm a huge fan of perspirants or deodorant here,
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  and that's probably why I don't have any friends.
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  Unknown: Well,
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  Jim, can you hear me? Yeah.
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  Would would you respond to
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  what I read about
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  cholesterol
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  building up in your arteries and causing a problem with blood clots and heart attacks. Is there any truth to that in your view? Or should we just eat as many eggs as we want and not worry about it? How do you deal with that? What do we do? You eat all the eggs you can handle.
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  Unknown: Recommends
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  eight eggs per day for a 100 pounds of body weight.
• 1:39:00
  Cholesterol buildup in the in the in the blood vessels doesn't happen except when you've got a weakness
• 1:39:06
  due to a copper deficiency.
• 1:39:08
  If you have a, like, an aneurysm that's starting to form where it's a weakness like a bubble on the side of a bike tire Uh-huh. The body will put cholesterol in there to try and fix through it, like, and use it as a patch kit.
• 1:39:21
  And, you know, basically, it's doing what it's doing as a result of a nutrient deficiency.
• 1:39:26
  So if you have those things forming, it's... You'll have enough copper in your system and that causes the weakness in the
• 1:39:33
  blood vessels, the back of the skin, and things like that. It also has to do with your pigmentation of your skin and stuff like that, hair color. So if you saw... See somebody with white, gray, or silver hair, they probably got aneurysms forming. They probably got varicose veins or things
• 1:39:50
  like that going on.
• 1:39:52
  And it's... You know, you look at people like
• 1:39:55
  Albert Einstein,
• 1:39:57
  Atkins, the guy that developed the Atkins diet, they had real wild white hair. They both died of that ruptured aneurysm.
• 1:40:03
  And Uh-huh.
• 1:40:05
  Polyp.
• 1:40:08
  Unknown: How do we how do we get how do we get copper? That's what you said we need. Right?
• 1:40:12
  Unknown: Yeah. Copper is, you can buy one of the... You know, the thing is you need all 90 essential nutrients, and copper is one of them. That's why it's... Have to have a healthy starter pack.
• 1:40:23
  If you needed extra copper on top of the other 90 nutrients, then you could get, like, meso copper, which you can buy
• 1:40:29
  about, you know, online anywhere.
• 1:40:32
  Uh-huh. You like, colloidal copper, colloidal silver, same kind of thing.
• 1:40:37
  But the thing is copper balance is out with selenium.
• 1:40:40
  So you'd have to have both or one will go haywire.
• 1:40:44
  And that's why Yuggevity and selenium actually kept copper in it. They balance each other out.
• 1:40:50
  Selenium
• 1:40:51
  is great for anti cancer and
• 1:40:54
  brain function, heart function, liver function.
• 1:40:57
  I had a guy that diet coach was not a alcoholic fatty liver. And in six months' time, it was back to normal. I
• 1:41:06
  plus
• 1:41:07
  extra premium.
• 1:41:09
  Unknown: Hey,
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  Jim.
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  Yeah.
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  Jim, this is Bob. Hey. I got an analogy.
• 1:41:15
  I'll try it on for size. I said it before, and it's not mine. It's not it's not mine at all. But the idea of blaming cholesterol is like going by and seeing a fire
• 1:41:25
  and saying, oh, there's those fire trucks again. They're causing fires.
• 1:41:30
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:41:31
  Yeah. And then cholesterol is like the the red warning light on your dash. It comes on. Light is a problem. It just means there's something else in the body that's going for the car that's got a problem. And cholesterol, if you have other...
• 1:41:44
  You have
• 1:41:46
  might have a blood sugar issue. You might have a thyroid problem or something like that. But high cholesterol is not an issue. Low cholesterol is a pain. You know, as an example The other...
• 1:41:57
  Unknown: Go ahead.
• 1:41:59
  Unknown: Yeah. It's say, penuminous,
• 1:42:01
  live above the Arkid circle. They have the highest serum cholesterol levels of any group on the planet and lowest cardiovascular
• 1:42:08
  problems. Right. They
• 1:42:10
  normally run three fifty to five sixty level cholesterol.
• 1:42:14
  They don't have any problems till they come to the lower 48 and start eating my gut. Yeah. So if it was the cholesterol,
• 1:42:20
  put a tight off your skin.
• 1:42:23
  What are the The whole
• 1:42:25
  Unknown: What are they eating? Bad cholesterol thing, you know, that everybody
• 1:42:29
  talks about.
• 1:42:30
  The the same doctor I was listening to,
• 1:42:34
  doctor Sherry Rogers.
• 1:42:36
  She's a regular on the power hour and has been for years. Sharp lady. She said that
• 1:42:41
  the whole... Yeah. Really, I got a lot of her books really down to earth. I mean, for as smart as she is, she can dumb it down to where you understand what she's talking about. She said the idea of good and bad cholesterol, she said, well, if you wanna put it in this kind of an analogy, it's whether the ambulance is going to the accident or coming back with a patient.
• 1:43:01
  But they're not the problem.
• 1:43:03
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:43:04
  I remember Brent wanted to ask a question, but I wanted to inject this. I remember watching some of these experiments on PBS back before I left The States, the scientific thing, and what they found, what Jim was talking about is inside
• 1:43:18
  your veins,
• 1:43:19
  there's a scar.
• 1:43:20
  Something scars that vascular
• 1:43:23
  wall
• 1:43:24
  and the body trying to make up for that covers it with cholesterol,
• 1:43:29
  and the thinking used to be that the cholesterol builds up in your vein and blocks the blood flow,
• 1:43:35
  but what really happens is it builds up over that scar it's trying to cover and all of a sudden it erupts and it throws all that covering
• 1:43:44
  out into the vein instead of adhered
• 1:43:46
  to the wall and that's what causes heart attack.
• 1:43:52
  Unknown: So what do these people... Jim, what do these people up...
• 1:43:56
  Go ahead, What up north eat do these
• 1:44:00
  that makes their cholesterol...
• 1:44:02
  That makes, well, it makes them healthy. They have a lot of cholesterol in their blood, you said, but they don't have heart heart attacks.
• 1:44:08
  Unknown: Whale meat, whale blubber, bear meat, bear fat.
• 1:44:11
  That's all they're eating. Only Blubber.
• 1:44:14
  Unknown: That's what I was gonna say is blubber.
• 1:44:17
  Unknown: Yeah. They're eating animal animal fats and animal proteins.
• 1:44:21
  That's the best kind of thing you could possibly eat. That's why veganism and vegetarianism
• 1:44:26
  is a death sentence because the only sources of cholesterol come from animal products.
• 1:44:31
  So eventually,
• 1:44:32
  you're gonna have all kinds of problems. You may look good at one point down the road, you're have it. But,
• 1:44:38
  yeah, the cholesterol is...
• 1:44:40
  The body uses it as a package yet. And when you have a heart attack and you have problems
• 1:44:46
  with your blood vessels, it's... Normally, it's oxidative damage from all the fried foods and oils and stuff that we eat.
• 1:44:53
  Those things are really bad for you. And Wallace says, no fried foods, no oils at any time, even coconut oil or olive oil. It's... They're all
• 1:45:03
  very unstable when they're exposed to air. They oxidize, and that produces trans fats and free radicals that when you take into your body, there's a inflammation in cancer.
• 1:45:12
  So you wanna avoid those kind of things. Just animal fat, animal fat, a small amount of nonstarchy
• 1:45:18
  carbohydrates.
• 1:45:20
  That's a better better diet.
• 1:45:22
  A lot healthier for you.
• 1:45:24
  And...
• 1:45:25
  But, anyway, I wanna monopolize things. You guys had a really good good conversation going on for the last hour. I've enjoyed it, but I just couldn't help to weigh in on the
• 1:45:35
  Unknown: deal with aluminum. Okay. Well, if you give me a perfect chance to promote Jim's show, I don't know that there's people that turn us off when I'm off, but Jim follows me every day five days a week and you can hear from what you've heard here this morning that he's got an awful lot of good insight that applies to everybody out there.
• 1:45:57
  I appreciate it, Roger. Because you can have every... You can have you can have all the wealth, you can have everything else in this world, and if you don't have your health, you don't have too much.
• 1:46:07
  Unknown: There you go. That's the whole thing.
• 1:46:10
  Years ago, I was on Jeff's board stuff and it's both of all with nutrition.
• 1:46:16
  Unknown: I'd like to I'd like to chip in one thing if... Since you're on this topic.
• 1:46:21
  The... Everything that Jim
• 1:46:23
  was talking about is spot on from my understanding.
• 1:46:27
  And the the one element that I I think should be added to this is cortisol levels in the blood.
• 1:46:34
  And
• 1:46:35
  the cortisol
• 1:46:36
  levels are associated with emotional
• 1:46:39
  stress.
• 1:46:41
  Mhmm. And people that are under chronic emotional emotional stress
• 1:46:46
  are ripping and tearing because of the cortisol that's being dumped into their bloodstream. They're
• 1:46:51
  causing micro damage in their their veins and arteries all the time. So
• 1:46:56
  Unknown: Not only that, is part of what the I've heard it said when you get under stress, it shuts down your immune system for eight hours.
• 1:47:06
  Unknown: Well, it it it depends if it's the... If you're just arguing with your wife or you're running from the bear, but, yeah, I I it has a...
• 1:47:15
  It...
• 1:47:16
  You know, it's it's a big deal. You know? The the the spiritual and and emotional
• 1:47:21
  side of your life has a big impact on the physical side. And
• 1:47:26
  and we're not machines,
• 1:47:28
  although we have, you know, machine systems. We we are we
• 1:47:33
  are we are spirit. And
• 1:47:38
  I... This is this is that connection. You know? The the word and the logos
• 1:47:43
  is then
• 1:47:44
  turned into reality
• 1:47:46
  as to how our body responds to that. So,
• 1:47:51
  I mean, that's that's the interface. There's the connection, you know? I mean,
• 1:47:56
  Unknown: I'll just kind of lay that out there and back off. Let me tell you what I've personally found over the years, when you get into this stuff and you start,
• 1:48:04
  those of us who are drawn to it like a moth to a flame, okay,
• 1:48:08
  and we're different, alright? But once get you in it and you start learning all this stuff and you go through the highs and lows of emotions,
• 1:48:15
  you know, one day you'll read something or hear something, it'll get you real hopeful, and then the next day something will come along, it'll throw you down into the depths of depression,
• 1:48:23
  and personally what I found is I came to make the spiritual attachment and start really embedding those concepts into my life and making it stronger and stronger is that what it really did was it...
• 1:48:37
  The highs weren't as high and the lows weren't as low, and it allows you to have...
• 1:48:43
  The things I tell you about this show is this information allows us to have sanity,
• 1:48:48
  and when you've got sanity, you don't have that stress.
• 1:48:52
  Unknown: You got to realize that that is the condition of... Or unhappy if it has to do with what happened.
• 1:49:01
  It's
• 1:49:02
  not about joy. It's not about peace. It's just about
• 1:49:05
  being
• 1:49:07
  bullied about by what's
• 1:49:09
  happening in your life. So your happiness
• 1:49:12
  isn't anything equipped with joy or or spiritual satisfaction.
• 1:49:18
  Unknown: Bob, can you hear me? Rob, can you hear me? Yep. Yep.
• 1:49:22
  Bob? And
• 1:49:24
  doctor nutrition.
• 1:49:27
  Unknown: Bob, just real quick.
• 1:49:30
  Do you have email?
• 1:49:32
  Unknown: Yeah. You want me to get you his email, Brent? I'll get you his email. Bob,
• 1:49:36
  Unknown: he can go to my... The website commonlawyer.com
• 1:49:39
  and email me or you can get it either way. I wanted to have his email. Okay. Sure.
• 1:49:45
  Unknown: Be happy to.
• 1:49:46
  Unknown: Jim, you said something that got drowned out a second ago and I don't... I I know everything you bring is is important. What were you gonna say or what were you saying that we missed?
• 1:49:55
  Unknown: One of one of the best ways to deal with stress is number one, being off all the bad foods, which you can get that list on my website, godiyhealth.com.
• 1:50:04
  And number two is the 90 essential nutrients. Your body's designed to run on these things. When you don't have them, nothing functions properly. You know, my give the body your
• 1:50:14
  Unknown: stress management is much more enhanced. Well, I'm CBD oil also, is a good help. I want to give Jim and his product because Jim's our longevity guy and man, I'm telling you that stuff works, okay? And the way that you really know it works is when you
• 1:50:32
  haven't had it and you get it for awhile and then you run out and you can't get anymore,
• 1:50:37
  okay?
• 1:50:38
  That'll tell you how well that stuff works and I can remember the first time I got longevity in Argentina
• 1:50:44
  and I started taking it and I was taking the double stuff for the macular degeneration,
• 1:50:49
  okay?
• 1:50:51
  So it seems like. Anyway,
• 1:50:54
  I'd take it and about the fifth day I get up out of bed and I thought, wow, my body's kind of tingling a little bit. And I distinctly remember the tenth day that I had taken that stuff the first time, I got out of bed and stood up, and my immediate thought was, I feel better than I can ever remember feeling before.
• 1:51:17
  Unknown: It'll do that.
• 1:51:18
  That's the beauty of this stuff is, you know, people don't realize how important all those nutrients are, and you never get... You can't get up to food.
• 1:51:27
  Unknown: Well, it works and that's my personal testimony because I've been out for a year and I'm dying to get some more because I like feeling better, you know? I like having energy and stuff and I don't have as much of that now.
• 1:51:41
  Unknown: You just gotta figure out a way to open up Costa
• 1:51:44
  Rica or Ecuador.
• 1:51:45
  Unknown: Yeah, well, we'll work it out, it'll work out. American stuff. It'll
• 1:51:50
  work out, but I'm telling you, I really miss that stuff, man. It's a little pricier if you were gonna try and go and buy all that stuff, I don't know how the price would equate out, but I can tell you one thing, it works.
• 1:52:03
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:52:03
  If you go to my website, there's a comparison between a healthy start pack for a $129
• 1:52:09
  and a... Going to GMC and just matching label for label, and you're talking $380.
• 1:52:14
  And that's just label for label. When you talk about absorption, you're talking about about $2,000
• 1:52:19
  to replace what you're getting when that healthy start pack. Yeah. So it's it's the best stuff out there. It's not the most expensive, but it... It's not cheap either,
• 1:52:27
  but it does work.
• 1:52:29
  And
• 1:52:30
  I've had results with myself and people all over the planet that just love it. Yep.
• 1:52:36
  Appreciate the plug there, Roger.
• 1:52:38
  Unknown: Well, hey, not only I wouldn't plug it if I if I didn't truly believe it and had personal experience, I wouldn't have told you that story. So,
• 1:52:46
  we're towards the end of the program here. Got a couple of minutes left. I wanna leave a little bit for Brent to always give his connection points, but if anybody's got anything you think is salient here
• 1:52:57
  to inject before we come to the end, now's the time, front and center.
• 1:53:03
  Unknown: Yes. I like
• 1:53:05
  selenium.
• 1:53:06
  Selenium is a necessary body part or
• 1:53:10
  nutrient for the body which nothing else makes. Now we we do not make
• 1:53:15
  selenium, so therefore it is a necessary
• 1:53:19
  additive you can get from longevity.
• 1:53:22
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:53:23
  With Sarge here, yes. It's really important stuff, no question about it. Anybody else real quick?
• 1:53:31
  Okay, Brent, why don't you make sure everybody knows where they can get more
• 1:53:36
  and more depth from all of the years
• 1:53:40
  and the time and effort you've spent in the trenches.
• 1:53:44
  Unknown: Well, join us on Saturday morning
• 1:53:47
  for
• 1:53:48
  the law promises.
• 1:53:50
  We're involved
• 1:53:51
  in the forty five week
• 1:53:54
  set of presentations discussing the law of promises at common law called common law contracts often, but it's a wide
• 1:54:01
  a wide subject
• 1:54:03
  and one that only our common law stresses. We stress the idea of the importance of keeping promise.
• 1:54:13
  Unknown: Come on back.
• 1:54:14
  Come on back, Brent.
• 1:54:16
  Oh, well, alright, connection lost.
• 1:54:19
  There was a problem with the network.
• 1:54:21
  Can anybody else answer or...
• 1:54:24
  Because it looks like we may have cut everybody off here. I didn't do it. Skype did it.
• 1:54:30
  So nobody can talk?
• 1:54:33
  Okay, well, then I'll tell you what now, we even lost the connection to the server. It's probably on my end here,
• 1:54:40
  but I am recording the show.
• 1:54:42
  And so we terminate it out, let me go ahead and give you some of Brent's information.
• 1:54:48
  And of course, his website is commonlawyer.com,
• 1:54:52
  and Brent, as he was saying on Saturdays,
• 1:54:56
  they're doing now a 45 part series on the law of contracts, the law of promises,
• 1:55:01
  as Brent calls it, and on Sunday they have church
• 1:55:04
  and that information
• 1:55:06
  can be ascertained as I believe as Brent would say under the events
• 1:55:11
  page over at commonlawyer.com,
• 1:55:14
  and it'll give you all the contact information, and
• 1:55:17
  you can follow-up on that. I'd like to get some of those programs and run them on the network for us in a series type format, and maybe we can work on that as we go forward.
• 1:55:29
  But
• 1:55:30
  unfortunately,
• 1:55:31
  we lost everybody here at the last, and I'm still evidently
• 1:55:35
  offline because the
• 1:55:37
  software that connects over to the server is still saying connecting, connecting.
• 1:55:42
  So I'm just going to have to
• 1:55:45
  pretty well
• 1:55:46
  figure that we're going to be off the air for the rest of the program, and I'll close it out here. But Brent's website, again, for those of you who might not know this, we try and emphasize it constantly,
• 1:55:58
  is commonlawyer.com.
• 1:56:00
  And I would like to say how proud and honored I am to not only have a long running relationship on these Friday with Brent,
• 1:56:09
  but to have him associated with our network
• 1:56:13
  because of the fine information that he brings, the in-depth research
• 1:56:17
  that he's done,
• 1:56:18
  the
• 1:56:20
  further enlightenment
• 1:56:21
  that he can add to all of us on some of these very complex issues that have been deliberately hidden,
• 1:56:27
  and just in general what a fine guy Brent is, because not only have he and I gotten to know each other over these years, but I've actually met one of his children and have a relationship with them, and you don't raise fine children if you're not good people. So anyway, commonlawyer.com,
• 1:56:46
  and we'll end the show on that, there's our Whistler, and we'll
• 1:56:49
  be back Monday. I hope everybody has a real good weekend,
• 1:56:53
  and some of the things that we discussed today,
• 1:56:56
  you ruminate
• 1:56:57
  on.
• 1:56:58
  And we'll be back on Monday and see what happens with the financials are looking pretty shaky this morning. We'll see what next week brings.
• 1:57:06
  You guys, I hope you have a good weekend, and I'll see you on Monday. Thanks for joining us. Good discussion today. Sorry for this snafu here at the last, but
• 1:57:15
  you can't control the Internet.
• 1:57:18
  I'll see y'all on Monday. Have a great weekend. Thanks for spending time with us. Ciao. Ciao.
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  Swallow
• 1:58:18
  you.
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  Lay
• 1:58:21
  your
• 1:58:22
  body
• 1:58:24
  here.
• 1:58:27
  Unknown: Blasting the Voice of Freedom Worldwide, you're listening to
• 1:58:34
  Unknown: bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.