Latest / The Diva Details / The Empty Vessel: Why Cheaters Cheat and How to Heal
Transcript
- 0:01Welcome to the Diva Detail. Welcome to the Diva
- 0:05Detail, where bold, confident women embrace life unapologetically.
- 0:10From love and sex to wellness and reinvention,
- 0:14we keep it raw, real, and powerful. No filters,
- 0:19no limits, just fearless conversations to help
- 0:23you thrive. Let's dive in with Diva Mia.
- 0:30Well, hello, this is Diva Mia. Today we're going to talk a little bit about
- 0:34cheating. We've talked about it in the past and how it
- 0:37affects people, but today we're going to talk about it without the sanitized
- 0:41version. Not that, oh, we grew apart, not that his needs weren't being
- 0:45met, but what happens when you're meeting his needs and they still cheat?
- 0:48Not the bullshit story that somehow always finds a way to put a microscope
- 0:53on the woman who got betrayed, but the microscope needs to be pointed quite frankly,
- 0:56on the person that's doing the betrayal. I'm talking about the kind of man cheating
- 1:00where a man has a woman at home who loves him, supports him,
- 1:03desires him, has sex with him regularly, daily even,
- 1:07gives him affection, gives him attention, gives him a real relationship,
- 1:11and he still goes looking outside of it. Because I recently
- 1:15learned something that completely changed what I thought had happened in my
- 1:19own relationship. I believed I had been dealing with emotional cheating,
- 1:22online women, messages, Attention,
- 1:25validation-seeking, kind of a detached attachment
- 1:29style or an avoidant attachment style, somebody that needs constant validation.
- 1:33That was bad enough. I ended up breaking up over that.
- 1:37But then one woman contacted me today and let
- 1:40me know that it wasn't just emotional cheating,
- 1:44that he's been with at least one woman, if not several more,
- 1:48and had affairs while we were dating pretty much every time I left town.
- 1:51That was bad enough. I have no idea if he actually slept
- 1:55in my house with this other woman. Once I discovered that there's more and that
- 1:59there has been an affair and that he put my
- 2:02health at risk, he had told the woman that he was single. Let that sink
- 2:06in. Even though we'd been in a relationship for months together and
- 2:10he wasn't confused about where he was in the relationship, he was the one that
- 2:13wanted an exclusive relationship. He didn't actually forget he had
- 2:18a girlfriend. He intentionally lied. He constructed
- 2:22a whole separate reality in which I didn't even exist so he could have access
- 2:26to another woman because he was at my house 5 to 6 days a week.
- 2:29And suddenly a lot of things became very clear. So I'm
- 2:32not doing today's episode to publicly destroy somebody. I'm not naming anybody.
- 2:36I'm doing it because women need to stop absorbing responsibility for
- 2:41behavior that was never theirs to carry in the first place. Cheaters cheat,
- 2:45and there's a reason there is that saying. And because there is one sentence
- 2:48I desperately want women to to understand who have been cheated
- 2:52on to hear. Sometimes he doesn't cheat because something was missing from
- 2:55the relationship. He cheated because something's missing inside him.
- 2:59There's something wrong. It's an enormous character flaw for someone
- 3:02to cheat. And in fact, that's the majority of people that cheat,
- 3:06whether they're male or female. They've got a hole in their soul.
- 3:09There's something missing that's extremely wrong with them in
- 3:13order to cheat. I think this is the reason why companies are actually firing people
- 3:17now that they catch cheating, because they find out that they're not good as
- 3:21employees either. They tend to not be solid workers. They tend to
- 3:25jump jobs a lot. But let's retire this ridiculous question.
- 3:29When women discover that their partners cheat and immediately somebody asks,
- 3:32were you having sex? Were you affectionate? Were you paying enough attention
- 3:36to him? Were you— were things stressful? Did you make him feel appreciated
- 3:40enough? Excuse me. I was in a relationship where sex was often,
- 3:44in fact, nearly daily and constant touching, constant flirting,
- 3:48constant playfulness, and constant communication as
- 3:52far as loving goes. Even talked— he was even talking about marriage
- 3:55in the future. I wasn't ready for that, but he was. And yet he still
- 3:59had affairs. When does another adult's dishonesty become
- 4:03a performance review of the woman who got betrayed? And here's what
- 4:07makes this narrative especially absurd. There are
- 4:11men cheating on women who are having sex with them constantly. There are men cheating
- 4:14on beautiful women, successful women, sexually adventurous
- 4:18women, women that try all different kinds of things, women that are constantly giving oral
- 4:22sex, affectionate women, supportive women, women that take care of their
- 4:26men, women that are making sure that their men's emotional needs are met,
- 4:29women who are happily discussing fantasies, fun things in
- 4:33the bedroom, toys, things so you don't get boring. They still
- 4:36cheat. Let's be honest. Intimacy or anything else that your
- 4:40partner does that they do with a person, whether it's online cheating,
- 4:43emotionally or physically, it's cheating. They still cheat. But why?
- 4:48Because cheating isn't always about access to sex.
- 4:51Research on infidelity has identified multiple motivations,
- 4:55including sexual variety, They want to try something new. They want to
- 4:59try someone new. They just want the variety. They have low self-esteem.
- 5:04Most of the people that cheat have very low self-esteem and low self-confidence
- 5:08and are very insecure. They also may have anger issues.
- 5:12They have a low commitment threshold. They don't want to commit to someone even though
- 5:15they say they want you to be their girlfriend. They want you there so
- 5:19whenever they want to go out, they have a girlfriend. They want you there to
- 5:22hold them down. They want you there for the consistent sex,
- 5:25but they want to go outside the relationship for other opportunities.
- 5:29And there's no lack of love or neglect and sexual desire
- 5:33is there as well. So there's really no reason to go
- 5:37outside the relationship. In fact, I was with a man who wasn't even
- 5:41satisfying me because I wanted it way more than him. And he still cheated.
- 5:45I was like asking for sex more often and he couldn't perform.
- 5:48So did you catch any of these? Self-esteem is one of the
- 5:52big ones. Constant need for validation from other people.
- 5:56Is another big one. For some people, another person's wanting them gives
- 6:00them a temporary hit of, of importance. So if they can go out
- 6:04there and they can find somebody new that finds them interesting,
- 6:07they get a big boost to their ego and they
- 6:11have validation and they get self-esteem. And it's very short-lived.
- 6:15They aren't necessarily looking for better sex. They're looking for another mirror
- 6:19of their flaws to be covered up. Another person saying you're attractive,
- 6:23you're desirable. Oh, you're cute. You're sexy. You're interesting. You're wanted.
- 6:26You're special. And when one mirror stops being enough, they go looking for
- 6:30another one and then another and another. And they don't
- 6:34have— they have an insatiable appetite for something different.
- 6:38You cannot love someone enough to permanently fill a hole that requires strangers
- 6:41to keep validating them, him or her. That's an inside job.
- 6:45And there's women like this too. Don't get me wrong. But lately it seems
- 6:49like the majority of the people in this area are men.
- 6:52They have an addiction to online porn. They have an addiction to constant validation
- 6:56online from other women. They think that it's real. And then when they get
- 7:00it, they realize it didn't really actually exist. And this is why
- 7:03other women may never ever be better because women torture
- 7:07themselves after an affair. Was she prettier? Was she thinner? Was she younger,
- 7:10better in bed, more interesting? What did she have I didn't have?
- 7:14I don't have any of those questions. Maybe nothing. Seriously,
- 7:17because it was a hole in him. Because you may
- 7:21be thinking competition when, when he was thinking, ooh,
- 7:24I have an opportunity. And men like opportunities.
- 7:28They don't necessarily cheat for better. They just cheat because it's available.
- 7:32And sometimes the affair partner isn't replacing you. She's supplying
- 7:36something else, something new, a different fantasy, a different attention,
- 7:39an ego boost, a type of escape, or just the fact that it's
- 7:43a secret. And some guys just get off and have an adrenaline rush because
- 7:47it's a secret. And the reality is, if it was a fantasy,
- 7:51he could have discussed it with you. He wanted something different,
- 7:54that secret adrenaline rush that he could get from someone else, a different
- 7:58version of himself. That's why comparing yourself with her becomes
- 8:03psychological quicksand, because you're trying to win a competition that may
- 8:07never have even existed. And in my situation, I learned something else that matters.
- 8:11The other woman was told he was single. That changes the equation.
- 8:15But now you don't just have infidelity. You have deliberate deception
- 8:19occurring in multiple directions. He's lying to the woman he's with.
- 8:23He's lying to the woman he's pursuing. He's controlling what each woman knows
- 8:26so he can maintain access to both. That's not something caught between
- 8:302 great loves. That's something manipulating information to get
- 8:33what he wants. It's a huge difference. A huge liar, a huge manipulator,
- 8:38and there's a lot of men out there, ladies, that are very skilled at this.
- 8:42And it's a big deal. Game to them. And honestly, then you look
- 8:46back at the relationship and you're like, well, was any of it real? And you
- 8:48have to question, it probably wasn't. There's another trap women
- 8:51fall into. We start psychoanalyzing him.
- 8:54Maybe he's an avoidant. Maybe he has scared of intimacy issues.
- 8:58Maybe he's got childhood trauma that made him do this, or he's just
- 9:02insecure and needs validation, or he's afraid of abandonment. Maybe.
- 9:06But does it make it any different? Understanding psychology can help
- 9:10explain his behavior, but it doesn't excuse it. Attachment problems don't make
- 9:14someone download an and go out there searching for someone to sleep
- 9:18with. Childhood trauma doesn't type, I'm single, or, I want no
- 9:22strings attached affairs. Insecurity does not force someone to arrange
- 9:27an affair. At some point, there are choices. And a series of choices,
- 9:31from conversations to flirting to secrecy to constant
- 9:34lying, and then meeting up with people and just having
- 9:38random hookups whenever that person leaves town,
- 9:41that's called an affair. And the COVID story is they
- 9:45delete their files, they hide their phone, phones. They tell you that,
- 9:48oh, I'm getting a lot of spam calls. I had that one as well.
- 9:52Cheating is rarely one 5-second mistake and oops,
- 9:55it's done. Usually it's a chain of decisions and they choose to, and every
- 9:59link in that chain requires an opportunity to stop. That's one of
- 10:03the hardest realizations that I had to come to. You may think you know what
- 10:06happened because you asked. I was in a relationship that I got divorced
- 10:10from where at the end it wasn't the most loving. When we
- 10:14broke up, it was very sad because we'd been together for so long,
- 10:17but at the end it wasn't so loving. This relationship was
- 10:21over-the-top loving. That's what made it even more confusing because
- 10:25I can understand when they're pulling away, you might have some signs. When they're
- 10:29not pulling away and they're coming in harder, that's when you have questions.
- 10:33The answer is you don't know because you're basing your understanding of reality
- 10:37on information supplied by the other person who has already demonstrated
- 10:41a willingness to alter reality for his own benefit.
- 10:44He loving, he acts trustworthy, he acts like he's
- 10:48caring and wants to be with you, wants to get married, wants to buy houses
- 10:53with you, and then he's cheating. And he might have been doing
- 10:57it for a while because most of the time they've been doing it for a
- 11:00while. And that's why discovery can feel so destabilizing.
- 11:03You aren't only grieving the affair, you're reviewing all the memories.
- 11:07Was that trip we took together real? Was that explanation
- 11:10he told me true or was Was that specific situation, is that
- 11:14when he was cheating? The night he didn't follow up with me, was he cheating?
- 11:18Was that message really work or was he talking to another woman?
- 11:21Was I just being paranoid? My intuition right? Because honestly,
- 11:26I had some feelings that something was off. I just couldn't put my finger on
- 11:29it. And suddenly your brain wants to reopen every file you
- 11:32ever stored on the relationship because that's part of betrayal.
- 11:36You question your very relationship, every aspect of it.
- 11:40You feel like history has been contaminated and you have no idea idea what
- 11:44actually occurred. And then you look at it and you're like, holy shit,
- 11:48what the hell happened? And it's confusing whether or not you were in
- 11:52a loving relationship at the end or a relationship that wasn't as loving.
- 11:55Either way, the betrayer has a lot to say.
- 11:59Where in the world has our society gone to that we think
- 12:03it's okay to be disloyal, to lie, to cheat, to manipulate other
- 12:07people at that level? And if you suspect your partner's cheating, don't become
- 12:10a criminal investigator. Don't install spyware.
- 12:14Don't illegally access their accounts or track somebody without their consent.
- 12:18That's illegal, but don't spend 6 months destroying your nervous system trying to
- 12:21become the FBI with better eyelashes and look at their— just
- 12:25look at their behavior. If something's bothering you, you got to look at it.
- 12:28If they're secretive, they bring out another phone. If they change
- 12:33all their passwords and you knew their passwords before, if they start hiding their phone
- 12:37when they're talking on it, sudden changes in availability, will give clues and
- 12:41inconsistent stories or overexplaining stories
- 12:45because I had that as well where they overexplained something that didn't need
- 12:49to be overexplained and then they might have unexplained absences. They disappear for a
- 12:53few hours when you don't know what happened and they might get defensive around basic
- 12:58ordinary questions, but keep asking them and you can also find hidden
- 13:01social media accounts. You never know because here's the thing, those really
- 13:05experienced cheaters, They don't allow a lot of their girlfriends,
- 13:09if you will, to have access to their Facebook and to their Instagram
- 13:13and to their, their common. They'll go on Reddit or they'll go on
- 13:17other apps and they cheat and they, they go on,
- 13:20they're still on dating apps. They may still be on dating apps while you're in
- 13:24a relationship with them. So you can go check or there's,
- 13:27there's tools out there so you can check to see if they're actually on other
- 13:31dating apps. And a sudden obsession with protecting their phone is a huge clue.
- 13:35They, they, these things aren't proof individually, but if you have many things,
- 13:40they can't— innocent explanations can't explain these things
- 13:43away because patterns matter. And if you have incredible evidence,
- 13:47stop allowing endless explanation to erase what you already know.
- 13:51Save, save yourself some time and trust your gut. I didn't trust
- 13:55my gut enough on this one, and I wish I had because there were signs.
- 13:59I cared about him a lot, so I let things go that I
- 14:03probably wouldn't have, and I need to trust my gut. Way more.
- 14:07So save anything you are legally entitled to save.
- 14:09Protect your financial information. If you have accounts, split them and
- 14:14change your passwords to your own accounts so they don't have access to it.
- 14:17If you are married or you share significant assets, you need to speak to an
- 14:21attorney before making any major financial decisions. And don't confront someone
- 14:25in a way that puts your physical safety at risk, because women, it is a
- 14:29dangerous thing when you confront a man and you know that they've been cheating.
- 14:32Your objective isn't to win the argument. Your objective is to regain
- 14:35control of your life again, and it's It's gonna hurt. And I'm not gonna kid
- 14:39you, it's gonna hurt and you're gonna have to take it back. But this part,
- 14:41it doesn't have to be as dramatic as you think. You've gotta be analytical about
- 14:45it because there's also your health. It's medical and they put your health at
- 14:49risk, whether you have an autoimmune or if they pass
- 14:52an STD to you, they could have killed you with an STD. If someone has
- 14:56been having sexual relations outside your supposedly monogamous relationship,
- 15:00your sexual health risk profile has changed, period. You need
- 15:04to go and get an STD test or an STI test is what they call
- 15:07it. Someone can have an STI and they might not have symptoms, and that means
- 15:11I feel fine doesn't mean very much, and neither does she
- 15:14looked clean, or you cannot visually diagnose sexually
- 15:18transmitted infections just from looking at them. You need to get tested.
- 15:22Talk with your healthcare provider about which tests are appropriate based
- 15:26on the— any possible exposure. I recommend getting tested for everything depending
- 15:29on your situation. It could be HIV, gonorrhea, chlamydia,
- 15:33syphilis, hepatitis, hepatitis is a big one, or other
- 15:37testing. And sometimes there's bacterial infections. Some infections
- 15:41have window periods, which mean one negative test immediately after discovering an
- 15:45affair doesn't mean that you're clean. Your healthcare provider may recommend repeat testing.
- 15:49So for instance, if you have HIV exposure within the previous 72 hours,
- 15:53don't wait around researching it for 3 days. Contact a healthcare
- 15:57provider, urgent care, or someone and get a test done because
- 16:01you can see if you have HIV post-exposure. There's an HIV
- 16:05post-exposure profile called PEP, which is appropriate. That's not paranoia.
- 16:09And some tests you have to wait for a couple months before they all actually
- 16:12show positive. So you may have to get tested now and tested again in the
- 16:16future, but you need to protect your body. Because here's the uncomfortable truth:
- 16:20when someone secretly introduces additional sexual
- 16:24partners into a relationship, he isn't only making decisions about his body,
- 16:28he's making decisions about yours. And it's violation of your
- 16:31body. He's making decisions about yours without your informed
- 16:35consent. And that is something women should take very
- 16:38seriously because yes, I'm furious. I might call a serial
- 16:42cheater a walking potential STI, STD exposure because
- 16:46it's crude. But the reality is, is it's true. He's a
- 16:50walking STD. And if they cheat, they are violating
- 16:54you in so many ways because you're basically not
- 16:58giving informed consent for him to have sex with someone else. And then
- 17:01he's having sex with you as well. It's also a pretty effective
- 17:05reminder to keep yourself tested, even if you think they're monogamous.
- 17:08First, stop demanding that your brain understand everything immediately.
- 17:12Listen to your intuition, 'cause betrayal can produce shock as well.
- 17:16Intrusive thoughts, obsessive questioning, why did I
- 17:20allow this to go on? Why didn't I break up with him earlier? Difficulty concentrating,
- 17:24anger, anxiety, and sleep disruptions. You may feel completely
- 17:28rational at noon and want to burn the emotional village down in your head by
- 17:324. Give yourself some room. Second, Separate facts from explanations.
- 17:36There are facts out there that you know were true and there
- 17:40are explanations. Now honestly, if there's a cheater or
- 17:44a liar in the mix, whatever they tell you is probably a lie. You have
- 17:47no idea, but you need to write down what you actually know. Write down what
- 17:51happened, what was admitted, what was lied about, what was documented.
- 17:55If you're married, you may need all this for the attorneys. What came from another
- 17:59person, what remains unknown. That this keeps you from getting
- 18:03dragged into endless conversations where established facts
- 18:07somehow become debatable. Because when you find out from other women that what
- 18:10he's been doing, and they show you proof, they show you text messages,
- 18:14they have recorded voicemails, they have text
- 18:19messages from him to them, there's obvious evidence.
- 18:22And then third, you need to protect your health. Get your STD test. Fourth,
- 18:25protect your practical life, your money, your passwords, your housing,
- 18:29your children, Any shared property or business interests you have,
- 18:32documents. Don't create chaos unnecessarily, but don't remain
- 18:36financially vulnerable to someone that's violated you because
- 18:40you're emotionally overwhelmed. And then stop begging the
- 18:44other person who betrayed you to restore your self-esteem. You have to take your self-esteem
- 18:48back yourselves, ladies. That's one of the cruelest loops, but you
- 18:52know what? You can either use it, you can either let it burn you down
- 18:56or you can use it for fuel for your fire. That's the way you can
- 18:59take control back of your life because they have injured you. Suddenly you're
- 19:02asking them, what the hell happened? Wasn't I enough? Why wasn't
- 19:06I worth enough? But you know what? You are beautiful. You are asking the
- 19:10person holding the knife to convince you that you aren't bleeding. Step away.
- 19:146th, get support. Don't get 30 people's opinions.
- 19:18A few intelligent, trustworthy people, a therapist, maybe a
- 19:22close friend, someone who specializes in fidelity trauma
- 19:26or betrayal trauma. That's a good way to go. I think therapy is
- 19:29wonderful. I think everyone should have a therapist when they're going through divorce. I don't
- 19:33know why people don't, but here's the reality. If you've been with a guy that
- 19:36told you that his ex-wives cheated on him, he was disgusted by
- 19:40cheaters and would never cheat, and then you find out he was cheating on you,
- 19:44it's most likely he was also cheating on his ex-wives and he's
- 19:48just a big old liar. He just wants to make them the villain. He cheats
- 19:51on everyone he dates. So realize he's gonna be a cheater. That's just
- 19:55who he is. And there are therapists who specialize in exactly this.
- 19:58Psychology Today also allows you to search specifically
- 20:02for therapists who work with infidelity. So it's actually, you can
- 20:06go out to Psychology Today and find somebody that works with infidelity.
- 20:09The Gottman Institute has extensive material on trust, betrayal, and affair recovery.
- 20:14So if you can't afford a therapist, there are places out
- 20:18there you can look like the Gottman Institute and educate yourself because
- 20:21affair recovery often, it offers programs specifically for betrayed
- 20:26partners. And couples. So, and there's survivinginfidelity.com
- 20:30that has support communities, including sections for people who have just discovered
- 20:34an affair, people separating, and people attempting to reconcile.
- 20:38I'm going to warn you, if you go and you reconcile after someone has cheated
- 20:42on you, it is a rough road. You are not going to be able to
- 20:45trust them the same way you trusted them before. Is that fair to you both?
- 20:48Because if you can't trust someone, how are you going to allow them back
- 20:52into your world? And do you really want them back into your world?
- 20:56So just be aware of that. Cheaters, Honestly, I wish they would just hang out
- 21:00with other cheaters because they're ruining the good dating pool of
- 21:03people that are out there. And it's— there's a reason
- 21:07why women don't want to date. There's a reason why women are like, nope,
- 21:10I'm not dating. Nope, I'm not dating. Then men are like, women are crazy.
- 21:14They don't want to date us. And yeah, there's a reason women aren't dating you
- 21:17guys because you guys are cheaters. If you realize that once you cheat,
- 21:22you do damage to the other person, a lot of extensive
- 21:25emotional damage, then you understand why women walk
- 21:29away. And have decided just not to date. Now, I'm not going to be one
- 21:32of those women. I still have faith that I will find my perfect
- 21:37person, one that's loyal, as loyal as I am, and as trustworthy as I
- 21:41am, and that makes me feel happy. But there is some time
- 21:45I will take off because I don't rush back into a relationship because I'm not
- 21:48emotionally inept. I don't have a hole in my cup. I have
- 21:53a complete soul. I don't have an empty shell of a person that needs
- 21:56constant validation. From other people, but boy, the cheaters
- 22:00do. They're an empty shell of a person. They lack empathy
- 22:03for other people. They lack caring and concern for
- 22:07and basic humanity. Do you really want people like that working
- 22:11for you? That's why people are firing the people there. You can also check out
- 22:15the CDC. You may want to check that out as far as STDs goes,
- 22:18etc. Now here's the question: should you stay?
- 22:22I'm not going to tell every woman that every affair automatically requires leaving.
- 22:26I'm not going to do that. Every adult gets to decide their own boundaries,
- 22:29but relationships, they sometimes survive infidelity.
- 22:33There are established models for couples who generally want to rebuild,
- 22:37but reconciliation should not mean pretending that nothing happened.
- 22:40You can forgive, but you're never gonna forget.
- 22:43Forgiveness should never mean volunteering for another round of cheating.
- 22:46If someone wants reconciliation, I would be looking for actions
- 22:50rather than speeches from them. What are they doing to make sure that they are
- 22:54on the good path to not cheat again. No secret contracts,
- 22:58contact with the person. They shouldn't be talking to the other person.
- 23:02Truth has to be without making you evacuate every detail.
- 23:07You need to know the truth. How often? How many times?
- 23:10Who was it with? Who were the people? How many different people?
- 23:13Accountability has to be there without blaming. You need to be willing to answer
- 23:17reasonable questions. They have to be able to answer in a
- 23:22transparent, truthful way. And then both parties should get STD tested
- 23:26and require that they pay for your STD testing. Therapy is
- 23:30almost always required if you're going to try to reconcile. There is behavior that
- 23:34made the deception possible and the joy of lying to your spouse and the
- 23:38adrenaline rush and the dopamine hit you got to have a secret relationship and
- 23:43sustained behavior over time. If it happened for a long time,
- 23:47you know, not just once, there's going to be some issues. Don't think that you
- 23:52can cry for 3 days and it's all better. They give you some flowers and
- 23:55then you realize, ooh, they're the love of my life. That's not how it works.
- 23:58No dramatic declarations are gonna fix it.
- 24:01Character is measured by what happens after the adrenaline
- 24:05wears off. A person's character is defined as what they
- 24:09do when no one's watching. And if they do not have integrity
- 24:14restrain themselves and be loyal and be faithful.
- 24:18Why would you want someone like that in your life? Because integrity
- 24:22is a big one. And if they don't have integrity at home, how are they
- 24:26going to have integrity in their work life or with their family or with their
- 24:29children? Because they're the one that's sleeping next to you that you're supposed to
- 24:33have an intimate relationship with. Then there's the serial cheaters, which is
- 24:37what I was running into. This is when I am considerably
- 24:41less generous with whether you should stick around if they've serially cheated,
- 24:45meaning they've repeatedly cheated and they're constantly
- 24:49needing outside women, constantly needing lying. They like to
- 24:52hide the conversations. They think it's a big game how
- 24:56much they can manipulate you. They construct completely alternative
- 25:00realities because they're constantly seeking sexual validation
- 25:04and novelty. They repeatedly expose partners to betrayal
- 25:08and sexual diseases. So avoid this, this situation like a plague.
- 25:12You are not a rehabilitation center for emotionally unavailable
- 25:16and incompetent men. You don't get a trophy for loving someone
- 25:20through unlimited deceptions. They're messed up.
- 25:23They have mental issues. They have holes in their cup,
- 25:27as they say. They're an empty shell of a vessel. There's nothing
- 25:31that they can provide for you if they are a serial cheater.
- 25:36You don't prove your loyalty by staying available to someone who
- 25:40has demonstrated that loyalty is optional for him. People sometimes
- 25:44use the phrase empty soul. I kind of call it an empty vessel.
- 25:47Someone who requires a revolving door of attention while deceiving
- 25:51the person besides him is operating from an incredibly empty
- 25:55place. I would not want to be in that empty place. They must be
- 25:59extremely lonely and empty, and until they decide,
- 26:02he or her, to confront their emptiness themselves, what exactly
- 26:06does he have to offer you? Or she have to offer
- 26:10you? Instability? Ooh, that doesn't sound like fun.
- 26:13Anxiety, half-truths, constantly guarding their phone,
- 26:17constantly lying to you? STDs? No,
- 26:19thank you. That is not a relationship. That's unpaid,
- 26:23constant detective employment work. The woman who gets cheated
- 26:27on is not a loser. This may be the most important part of today's episode
- 26:32because finding out you got cheated on can temporarily humiliate you. It did me.
- 26:35Temporarily, especially when other people knew,
- 26:38especially when another woman contacts you and tells you about
- 26:42it, when you realize someone had information about your relationship that you
- 26:46didn't have, even when you begged and asked for the truth and the
- 26:50person lied directly to your face once again. Shame belongs with
- 26:54the deception, not with the person who trusted them. You didn't lose because
- 26:58you believed someone you loved would not
- 27:02betray you. Trusting is not stupid. Being— having a good
- 27:06heart and a good soul. I think we want to trust people, but we have
- 27:09to have our boundaries and stronger boundaries. That's one thing I've definitely
- 27:12learned is that my boundaries have to be stronger and I need to trust my
- 27:16intuition much more. I was actually getting weird feelings about the relationship 6 months
- 27:20ago, but I kept trying to keep it together. I thought maybe
- 27:24it was just me because I had been through a divorce and I didn't want
- 27:27to overreact. It's okay to overreact because if you have a man that understands,
- 27:31he'll listen. You didn't lose because you believed someone loved you,
- 27:35but continuing to ignore overwhelming evidence about infidelity
- 27:39is different. You can't do that to yourself. Relationships should
- 27:43be entered in good faith. If they're not entered in good faith, then what are
- 27:46you there for? Emotionally healthy people will enter
- 27:49a relationship in good faith. They'll give you a secure relationship.
- 27:53They won't make your nervous system go into overdrive. Here's the shift.
- 27:57Once the truth arrives, you have new information. You now know
- 28:01what they've done. You now have more information.
- 28:04Your job changes. You're no longer deciding whether the version of him you loved
- 28:08was worth loving. You're deciding whether the man demonstrated by his actual
- 28:12behavior deserves access to your future or any access
- 28:16to you at all, because most likely he doesn't and he was never worth you
- 28:21in the first place. A lot of times we stay with men that are well
- 28:23beneath us because we hope that they will do better.
- 28:27And I think we sometimes we take on men that are projects. Or we
- 28:31want to fix them and they're not fixable. Men have to fix
- 28:34themselves. They should not be going into relationships a freaking mess. And a lot
- 28:39of men are. I think part of it is that women a lot of times
- 28:41will go through therapy after divorce and men try to skip it. These are 2
- 28:45completely different questions. So stop trying to become
- 28:48enough. Don't ask yourself, am I enough? Don't ask yourself if
- 28:52you're worthy, because quite frankly, they weren't worthy of you. You could
- 28:56have breast implants, become richer, more successful, have sex every night
- 29:00while I was doing that. Wear lingerie, cook dinner, be endlessly
- 29:05supportive and never complain. If somebody's fundamental problem is that
- 29:09he has no self-worth and it depends on collecting outside validation,
- 29:13none of what you do is going to fix it. Nothing you do is going
- 29:16to fix it. He's got such a hole in his soul or in his cup
- 29:20that he can't fill it up and nothing you do will fill it up either
- 29:24because you cannot outperform someone's character deficit and
- 29:28it's a character flaw. And let me say it again, you cannot outperform
- 29:31someone's character deficit or flaw.
- 29:35The solution isn't becoming so undesirable that nobody would ever
- 29:39cheat on you. Beyoncé got cheated on, remember? Princesses get
- 29:43cheated on, models get cheated on, ordinary women get cheated on, and extraordinary
- 29:47women get cheated on. It's not like there's anything that they could
- 29:50have done differently. Cheating is not an objective ranking system for
- 29:54female worth. I wish people would stop acting like it is. And stop
- 29:58treating it like one if you're a woman and asking women the stupid
- 30:02question as, what did you do? Because quite frankly, most of the time cheaters
- 30:07did it. The woman did nothing to provoke it. Recovery is about taking
- 30:10yourself back. So healing doesn't mean forgetting, but it doesn't require
- 30:14pretending that you don't care. It doesn't require immediately forgiving
- 30:18everyone anyway. You can hold off on your forgiveness or you
- 30:22can forgive right away. It's up to you. Healing means his choices stop
- 30:25controlling your identity. You got to take your identity back first.
- 30:29A lot of women will lose their identity when they're in a relationship or they
- 30:32make themselves smaller so that they can make their little men feel bigger.
- 30:36You need to take your identity back because the man never deserved
- 30:40you in the first place. You get to sleep again. No more snoring.
- 30:44You get to laugh again. You get to laugh at what you want. You get
- 30:47to have conversations with people and they can actually understand what you're talking about.
- 30:50You can stop checking on them. You can stop wondering what they're doing.
- 30:54It's kind of like goodbye and good riddance. You were never worthy of me in
- 30:57the first place. You need to let them go because if they're a cheater,
- 31:00they're disgusting. They're kind of gross and shame on them. You need
- 31:04to stop replaying conversations. You stop looking for the missing details that will finally
- 31:08make irrational behavior feel rational to you because
- 31:12it's not going to. They were off their rocker. They were doing things they
- 31:16knew they shouldn't do and they did it anyway. So it was a choice.
- 31:19They did a lot of bad things. They chose to do a lot of bad
- 31:22things and they continued to lie about you and to continue to do
- 31:26those bad things. And eventually you realize something. The most important relationship
- 31:30that survives the affair was your relationship with yourself. So take that
- 31:34back and love yourself. Loving yourself is the most important relationship
- 31:38you will ever have. Fill your own cup up. You may be depleted after that
- 31:42relationship because you poured so much into someone else, but fill your own damn
- 31:46cup. Back up. You need to start trusting your instincts again,
- 31:49protecting yourself, and establishing stronger boundaries. I know for me,
- 31:53I'm a little innocent when it comes to dating because I haven't dated a
- 31:57lot since I got divorced. I enjoy the innocence that I have and
- 32:01the pure heart that I come to in relationships to men
- 32:05and how it's a sincere, pure heart. It's not a heart that is there.
- 32:10I don't try to manipulate men. I try to care for them.
- 32:13However, This has taught me that I am gonna have some
- 32:16severe boundaries and I'm gonna learn that I'm not gonna tolerate
- 32:20any of this ever again. I should never have in the first place. I let
- 32:24my guard down. That won't happen again. Maybe the betrayal burned
- 32:28something down. That's okay, but I still have my pure heart. I still am loving.
- 32:32Whoever actually gets to end up with my pure heart and loving is gonna
- 32:35be a very lucky man because sometimes the things that burn us down, it was
- 32:39preventing us from us seeing our exit. There's that saying that says rejection
- 32:44is God's protection, and there's a reason for that, because God was
- 32:47protecting you from someone that didn't belong. A couple
- 32:51weeks before I found most of this out, I had laid
- 32:55in bed and just said, God, if he's the right one, let me know
- 32:59because there's something off about him. If he's the wrong one,
- 33:02I want you to take him out of my life quickly. Everything unfolded within 2
- 33:06weeks. It was kind of nice. So sometimes just asking God or
- 33:10the universe or whatever your belief system is, is to give you a sign to
- 33:13move on when you know something's wrong, a clear-cut
- 33:17definitive sign. So it's easier to move on as well. That can help as
- 33:21well. So if you're listening to this because somebody cheated on you,
- 33:25don't immediately ask, what did she have that I didn't have? Don't ask
- 33:29that. And then don't ask, what does his behavior tell me about what
- 33:33he is capable of? Well, he was capable of quite a lot. So you dodged
- 33:37a bullet. By getting out of the relationship when you did. And don't ask,
- 33:40why wasn't I enough? Because why did he need strangers
- 33:44to make him feel enough? What is wrong with him? And that's
- 33:48the real question we should be asking. Why did he need strangers to make
- 33:52him feel like enough? Is he that insecure? Is he that much of a little
- 33:56boy? Because a real man that's secure in who he is would never
- 34:00stray like this. His behavior told you exactly what
- 34:04he was capable of. You may want to ask yourself, how can I make sure
- 34:08this never happens again? I don't know if you can, but instead ask, what would
- 34:11I need to see before I ever trusted a person to
- 34:15have access to me again? And I'm not saying
- 34:18you need to trust this person because quite frankly, my personal
- 34:22preference is you don't trust a cheater again, but maybe the answer is nothing.
- 34:26Maybe you're, you've done nothing wrong, but usually if you do some self-reflect,
- 34:30you'll be like, hmm, I need to have firmer boundaries around this. Hmm. I need
- 34:32to trust my intuition more. Mm, when I'm getting flags,
- 34:36red flags, I need to believe those red flags and not just push them aside.
- 34:40There is tremendous power in realizing that closure doesn't always come from getting that final
- 34:45confession. Sometimes closure is looking at enough evidence and saying, what the hell
- 34:49just happened? And then I've learned everything I need to know and you
- 34:53get your closure. I don't need another explanation. Nope.
- 34:57I don't need a confession. I've heard enough. I don't need another lie
- 35:01dressed up as an apology. So that someone can have a little bit of access
- 35:05to me or my trust or my loyalty. Nope.
- 35:08Any chance of intimacy gone, any chance of sex or love for that person
- 35:12in the future gone because they chose deception even when
- 35:16they had access to me. So no, why would I ever give them access
- 35:19again? I'm not competing with other women for a man I already have.
- 35:23I'm letting them go because they were never worth me in the first place.
- 35:26I have decided to let them go. And I hope you can too.
- 35:30Don't audition for a position that you already occupied and
- 35:34definitely don't spend the next chapter of your life trying to convince a
- 35:38man addicted to outside validation that you should have been enough
- 35:41because quite frankly, nothing will ever be enough because you were
- 35:45enough. The relationship was real on your side. You gave your heart,
- 35:48you gave your soul, you gave your concern, you took care. You may have
- 35:53given money. You may have taken care of him in other ways. But what did
- 35:57he, with his short character, give? Not much.
- 36:00And sometimes the most powerful thing a woman can do after betrayal
- 36:03isn't revenge. It's just walking away.
- 36:07It's not exposing him. It's not winning him back. It's becoming completely
- 36:11unavailable to their chaos and just walk away and get your
- 36:15peace back. Peace is so underrated. Get your peace back because
- 36:19there are men in this world who don't require constant surveillance
- 36:23to remain faithful. There's a lot of men out there, ladies, that are good men.
- 36:26It's just shameful that these ones that are not good men keep
- 36:30destroying the good women. Because men who don't need 5 women
- 36:34telling them they're desirable are solid men. Men who understand
- 36:38that commitment means closing the door before it's opened, even when nobody's watching,
- 36:43that's a solid man. These little boys that try to dress up as men
- 36:48and go around cheating and destroying women for no
- 36:52reason. They're the ones we should be shunning. And once you've experienced the alternative,
- 36:56because the minimum standard that they gave you, the breadcrumbs that they gave
- 37:00you, the fantasy that wasn't real that they gave
- 37:04you, the absolute minimum, you will find someone that gives you
- 37:07the maximum. And you will find somebody that's worthy of you, someone that's
- 37:11worthy of your love, that's worthy of your loyalty, that's worthy of your trust.
- 37:14And your character and your integrity and your morals,
- 37:18values, and ethics, and will hold your heart and take care
- 37:21of it. And that's what a jet man's job is. These destructive
- 37:24men, ladies, you gotta let them go and say goodbye as quickly
- 37:28as you can. I hope my story helped you a little bit. I was vulnerable
- 37:33by telling you about it, but I hope that it helps. And I hope you
- 37:36understand that it's not you, it's them. And it's definitely them.
- 37:40And you gotta let them go. And they're not worth any more of your thoughts
- 37:44or any more of your time because life is precious and you should be
- 37:48spent with people that value who you are. This is Diva Mia and today's
- 37:52detail is simple. Never confuse somebody else's inability
- 37:56to value what they have with evidence that you weren't valuable because you are
- 38:00valuable. Those are 2 different things. You need to walk away
- 38:03and fill up your own cup. This is Diva Mia. Be strong,
- 38:06stay loyal, and have a wonderful day. Take care.
- 38:13Like, subscribe, and drop a comment. We love hearing
- 38:16from you. Visit thedivadetails.com to connect.
- 38:21See you next week for more.
- 38:26Diva Details podcast and website are intended solely for informational and entertainment purposes. The content
- 38:30provided does not constitute professional medical, financial, or legal advice. We are not licensed medical
- 38:34practitioners, financial advisors, or legal professionals. Always consult with a qualified healthcare provider for medical
- 38:37advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Any financial topics discussed are based on personal opinions and experience
- 38:41and should not be considered professional advice. The content provided does not constitute legal advice.
- 38:43The Diva Details and its affiliate contributors and guests are not liable for any losses
- 38:46or damages arising from the use of our content. The opinions expressed in the podcast
- 38:48are solely those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views of any
- 38:50affiliated organizations, sponsors, or partners. While facts discussed in the podcast are researched and accurate
- 38:53to the best of our knowledge at the time of recording, information may change over
- 38:55time. No guarantees are made regarding the accuracy, completeness, or reliability of any statements or
- 38:58opinions presented. It is the responsibility of the listener to verify any and all facts
- 39:00that may influence their decision. This podcast is for information and entertainment purposes only and
- 39:03should not be considered professional advice.