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NFC East Pre With Greg Cosell: What's The Ceiling For John Harbaugh's Giants In 2026? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome back to the Inside the Birds NFC East preview.
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Speaker 1: We do it every year and we bring in Greg
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Speaker 1: Cosell to join us and break down the tape of
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Speaker 1: the NFC that includes the Eagles. We did the Commanders
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Speaker 1: in the first episode. We're going to do the Giants
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Speaker 1: here in the second episode. Of course, I'm Jeff Mosher
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Speaker 1: with Adam Kaplan and Greg. When we did the Commanders,
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Speaker 1: we talked about changing identities on both offensive defense, as
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Speaker 1: the Commanders are introducing a new offensive coordinator and a
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Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator. The Giants, they're introducing an entirely new regime,
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Speaker 1: new head On Harbaugh, new OC Matt Nagy, new DC
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Speaker 1: Denard Wilson, new personnel, somewhat of a new instruction front office.
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Speaker 1: Everything about the Giants is not supposed to be what
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Speaker 1: we remember about them in the past. So with that said,
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Speaker 1: let's just take a fifty thousand foot viewpoint of the Giants.
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Speaker 1: When you look at all the changes that they've made
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Speaker 1: and what they have already in their personnel and what
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Speaker 1: they've added, do you feel encouraged at all about the direction.
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Speaker 2: The Giants are. Well, it's so funny because all people
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Speaker 2: talk about is Harball and the fact that he's going
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Speaker 2: to make everything great and obviously he's been a great
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Speaker 2: coach in the league. So but you know, it's a
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Speaker 2: new situation, totally new team.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I think this is a team that has some really
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Speaker 2: good parts to it and then some questions, and look,
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Speaker 2: we all know that one main question is, you know what,
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Speaker 2: where's Jackson Darts stand in his second year with a
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Speaker 2: brand new offense, you know, because now now there's a
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Speaker 2: learning curve again, you know, and that's true with any
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Speaker 2: young quarterback.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I've always heard it explain to me that, you know,
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Speaker 2: think of it like a foreign language. Like last year
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Speaker 2: he was asked to learn French. This year he has
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Speaker 2: to learn German, you know, And it doesn't happen overnight.
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Speaker 2: And there's so many variables and so many elements to
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Speaker 2: those kinds of things that people probably don't think very
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Speaker 2: much about out But yeah, so you know, I guess
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Speaker 2: with the Giants, you'd probably start there because you know,
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Speaker 2: he's their starting quarterback and he had good moments a
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Speaker 2: year ago, for sure. Uh but you know, I guarantee
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Speaker 2: they've talked to him about how he's going to play
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Speaker 2: the position. Because he needs to be on the field.
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Speaker 3: M H.
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Speaker 1: What of both new coordinators, Matt Naggy and Wilson, which
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Speaker 1: one do you think? I'm trying to ask this more
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Speaker 1: as a fact base and opinion question, but I think
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Speaker 1: it's I'm going to ask you to combine both. But
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Speaker 1: which one's impact is going to be felt most? Do
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Speaker 1: you think right away? In terms of whether they're good
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Speaker 1: or not, but in terms of how they play football?
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Speaker 1: Is what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Well, you mean I think Denard Wilson H. And I've
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Speaker 2: talked to Denard Wilson. I think he wants to be
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Speaker 2: aggressive but wasn't able to be that way in Tennessee
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Speaker 2: because they did not have corners. And there's nothing that
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Speaker 2: scares a defensive coordinator more than if you don't feel
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Speaker 2: good about your corner play, because then you start giving
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Speaker 2: up big plays and that you know, as you guys know,
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Speaker 2: that is the number one bugaboo for defensive coordinators. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's it's it's a league of let's try to create
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Speaker 2: explosives on offense and let's try to stop explosives. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I was fortunate I was just down it Titans mini
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Speaker 2: camp and got a chance to talk to Robert Salad
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Speaker 2: and he basically said that the three without going into
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Speaker 2: the weeds of how you do it. But Joe, the
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Speaker 2: thirty thousand foot view is on defense. There's three things.
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Speaker 2: It's you want to stop explosives, your third down defense,
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Speaker 2: and your red zone defense. That's the way coaches see it.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Obviously there's all kinds of ways, different ways to do
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Speaker 2: those things. But if you don't feel good about your corners,
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Speaker 2: you are not going to be You don't want to
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Speaker 2: play a lot of man and you don't want her
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Speaker 2: pressure a lot because you know it's you can give
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Speaker 2: up those sixty yard touchdowns. So I think Denard Wilson
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Speaker 2: would like to be far more aggressive in terms of
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Speaker 2: pressure schemes than he was with Tennessee. But you know,
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Speaker 2: now you get into their defense because right now, as
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Speaker 2: we sit here today, I assume they're outside corners who
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Speaker 2: who the heck knows about Deontay Banks. So let's assume
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Speaker 2: their outside corners are a Debo and Newsom. Because they
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Speaker 2: signed Newsome, and because Drew Phillips is their slot and
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Speaker 2: he's not a bad slot, Newsom's gonna play on the outside.
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Speaker 2: So with a Debo and Newsom. You know, it's hard
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Speaker 2: to know. I personally think that those guys are our
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Speaker 2: better zone players than Mann players. Some could disagree with me,
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Speaker 2: but that's just, you know, my sense of it. So
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Speaker 2: I don't know if their defense is going to be
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Speaker 2: pressure heavy or more excuse me more, you know, zone
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Speaker 2: based Greg.
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Speaker 4: Since we start on defense here, let's talk about r
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Speaker 4: VL Reese. Now they've made it clear he's not an Edgrescher.
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Speaker 4: He's going to play inside.
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Speaker 3: He's going to be a back becker, right, But you
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Speaker 3: were very clear on this.
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Speaker 4: You told us in the spring, okay months ago that
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Speaker 4: just buy your tape study Tremaine Edmonds did not play
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Speaker 4: well last season.
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Speaker 3: But if you're placing Bobby Okak, yeah, that would concern me.
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Speaker 4: So with and you just talked about Denard Wilson, is
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Speaker 4: there a way to protect a guy like Edmunds? I mean,
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Speaker 4: is it just they're going to get him and he's
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Speaker 4: just I mean, well, where is this guy right now?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I can tell you for a fact that
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Speaker 2: the Bears had no problem with Edmunds leaving. They they
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Speaker 2: thought he played poorly and they did not like the
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Speaker 2: way he played, and they had no interest in being
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Speaker 2: back there. So that's all I mean. Again, I didn't
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Speaker 2: study every snap of Tremont Tremaine Edmunds, you know, in detail,
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Speaker 2: but I've never felt because he did play in Buffalo,
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Speaker 2: and I've been fortunate over the years to do a
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Speaker 2: lot of work on One Bill's Live, so I've seen
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Speaker 2: a lot of tram and Man and I've always felt,
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Speaker 2: given his size, his movement and what it looks like
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Speaker 2: he should be, that he's never quite been that guy.
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Speaker 2: And I think people in the league would agree with that. Adam,
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Speaker 2: you know, you've probably talked to people. I think that's
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Speaker 2: pretty pretty much his evaluation, that he looks the part tremendously,
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Speaker 2: but he's not really been that guy. He's not really
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Speaker 2: been an impact linebacker, given that he's six' five two
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Speaker 2: fifty and that he's very athletic and long and all
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Speaker 2: those good. Things so we'll see, how you, know he's
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Speaker 2: deployed in the context of A Denard wilson. Defense getting
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Speaker 2: back to rvel. Rees you, Know reese is a fascinating.
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Speaker 2: GUY i personally thought THAT i, would you, know put
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Speaker 2: him on the edge WHERE i think he can explode
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Speaker 2: as he gains more experience and be a really potentially
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Speaker 2: dominant edge. Rusher The giants are playing him at, stackbacker
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Speaker 2: which he played fifty percent of his snaps At Ohio,
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Speaker 2: state so it's not as if he's never played. STACKBACKER
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Speaker 2: i think if you put him in one, position he
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Speaker 2: can become a real good. PLAYER i, mean the guy
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Speaker 2: is uniquely, gifted and don't forget it's Stack. Becker he
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Speaker 2: is a, big big man with tremendous athleticism because he's
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Speaker 2: six' four too, forty plus with unbelievable. Athletic trades.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of unbelievable, Athletic, trades greg as we stick On
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Speaker 1: this giant's defense and their, THEIR front i saw a
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Speaker 1: stat like one of those. UNDERLYING stats i didn't know
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Speaker 1: what to make of it other than just how.
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Speaker 3: Different he was from.
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Speaker 1: The Rest but i'm sure you've seen data on get
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Speaker 1: off like time to cross the line. Of SCRIMMAGE and
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Speaker 1: i looked at a top ten of the best pass
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Speaker 1: rushers IN, the nfl and most of them were in
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Speaker 1: that three point one to three point four range on,
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Speaker 1: Get off and then There Was abdul carter at, number
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Speaker 1: one at like two. Point four he was so far
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Speaker 1: ahead of Guys Like. Miles garrett now that doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: anything because once you're blocking. Your block but, the speed,
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Speaker 1: the athleticism it's freakish and. It's There and i'm wondering
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Speaker 1: if they got enough last year to think that they're
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Speaker 1: that can be translated better.
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Speaker 2: And they've got some serious athleticism in that. DEFENSIVE front
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Speaker 2: i Mean. Rvel, reees, now again we don't know what
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Speaker 2: they're gonna do on. Third down maybe, he becomes, you
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Speaker 2: know a joker type and they're going to use him rush.
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Speaker 3: The quarterback we.
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Speaker 2: Don't, Know, that okay but They've got carter who's A
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Speaker 2: freak They got burns who's kind of, freakish too and,
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Speaker 2: you know people Forget About. Brian, BURNS yeah i mean
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Speaker 2: that's a really really good. Pass rusher and, YOU know
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Speaker 2: i tell you the guy who had some really good
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Speaker 2: moments a, year ago and it would not surprise me
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Speaker 2: if he comes on this year because obviously he's gonna
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Speaker 2: play more Snaps With. Dexter lawrence not There Is. DARIUS
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Speaker 2: alexander i thought there were times last year where he
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Speaker 2: looked like he could be a dominant. Interior deligneman so,
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Speaker 2: you know and then they've signed some guys who've been around.
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Speaker 2: The league, you know sometimes, defensive linemen so many people
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Speaker 2: get caught up in terms of sacks, or tackles but,
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Speaker 2: you know sometimes there's a lot of these guys who
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Speaker 2: are just really, like, good solid. Rotational players and they
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Speaker 2: got three of Them In, Dj Reiders, shelby Harris And Roy.
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Speaker 2: Robertson harris these guys are. Good, players now you're not
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Speaker 2: gonna play any one of those guys sixty snaps, a
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Speaker 2: game but they are. Good players and you know that's
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Speaker 2: what you're, you know for those kinds, of guys that's
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Speaker 2: what you're, looking for. You know so this this defense
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Speaker 2: has better people now than. You Know and i'm really curious.
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Speaker 2: To See and i'm glad you brought, Him, Up jeff
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Speaker 2: i'm really glad. To See I'm duel carter in his
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Speaker 2: second year because he is a freakish Athlete.
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Speaker 4: And greg one more thing before we get to, An Offense,
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Speaker 4: keevon thibodeau who's on the final year of.
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Speaker 3: His deal they keep saying they're not going to.
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Speaker 4: Trade him, that's fine but we just Talked about carter
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Speaker 4: And Obviously brian burns. Long term you can't. Pay everybody
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Speaker 4: you told us about him when he. Was drafted there
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Speaker 4: were some Challenges with, thibodeau's body stiffness and stuff that
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Speaker 4: other people told us, as.
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Speaker 3: Well where's he at at this point in? His career
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Speaker 3: from your?
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Speaker 2: Tape, study well, you know it's funny, because again, you,
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Speaker 2: know hey you know how MUCH work. I do, i'm
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Speaker 2: right probably right More than, i'm Wrong but i'm wrong.
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Speaker 3: At TIMES but I.
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Speaker 2: WOULD thibodeaux i did Not view thibodau as a big
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Speaker 2: time prospect coming out.
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Speaker 4: Of.
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Speaker 3: College good he.
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Speaker 2: WAS solid i thought just his body type and his
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Speaker 2: movement was such that he would never be a true
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Speaker 2: BIG time nfl. Pass RUSHER and i remember the year
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Speaker 2: that he had ten plus sacks a couple of, years
10:20
Speaker 2: ago wasn't it he had? Ten, plus, YEAH yes i
10:23
Speaker 2: remember watching all of, those sacks and like nine of
10:26
Speaker 2: them were. Secondary sacks, you know there were sacks where
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Speaker 2: you know, they happened, you know five six seconds into,
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Speaker 2: the play, you know not where he, beat, Somebody right and,
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Speaker 2: you know, to me he's never been a guy that's
10:37
Speaker 2: been able just. To win, you know when you watch an,
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Speaker 2: edge rusher particularly an, edge rusher the way you evaluate
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Speaker 2: a guy is what does he do through those first,
10:48
Speaker 2: you know second and, a half. Two seconds, you, know
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Speaker 2: yeah you. Love guys if they hustle and. MAKE play,
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Speaker 2: i mean, that's great, you know there's nothing wrong. With
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Speaker 2: that but if you're just looking for a guy's traits
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Speaker 2: and can he rush the quarterback at the, next level
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Speaker 2: it's what happens in the first second and, a half,
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Speaker 2: you know it's not what happens, in second four. And
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Speaker 2: Five and tibodeau, to me was not.
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Speaker 3: That.
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Speaker 1: Guy right THE way i look, At, it greg is
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Speaker 1: if they wind up holding onto him and playing out,
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Speaker 1: the contract if he's, your fourth then a four man
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Speaker 1: rush That includes Burns And abdull Carter And darius alexander or.
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Speaker 1: Rvel rees if they use him in four man rushes
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Speaker 1: and not, third down, then.
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Speaker 3: Yeah you're you're probably.
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Speaker 1: Pretty good you're still not good if you're getting what
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Speaker 1: you need out of the.
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Speaker 2: First three, Now, again adam you guys know more about the,
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Speaker 2: salary cap you know RAMIFICATIONS than. I DO but, i mean,
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Speaker 2: YOU know i. Don't know, you know if he's if
11:40
Speaker 2: they go through training camp or it becomes evident that
11:42
Speaker 2: this guy's fourth, Or, fifth jeff and, you know given
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Speaker 2: what he's. BEING paid i, IMAGINE again i don't know.
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Speaker 5: That stuff, you know it's very possibly he could become a. Casualty,
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Speaker 5: too well he's not gonna. Get cut he's making over
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Speaker 5: fifteen million or around fifteen million. Fully guaranteed but, oh
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Speaker 5: well there. You go moving, forward though trade dead if he's,
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Speaker 5: a Look if carter's writed to be, a starter he's
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Speaker 5: gonna be the. Third guy it's gonna come down to
12:06
Speaker 5: how good they are around the. Trade deadline if they're not,
12:08
Speaker 5: doing well you're obviously. Gonna walk you're not gonna keep.
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Speaker 5: Them right so he could. Be traded so, you know
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Speaker 5: they made it pretty clear.
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Speaker 4: Last year no matter what we could talk all we,
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Speaker 4: want about he hasn't been who they thought he.
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Speaker 3: Would be they weren't going to. Trade him they wanted
12:20
Speaker 3: to play. This out they're.
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Speaker 4: Another team as we get over, to Offense this, giants
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Speaker 4: team chef this very, intriguing team you have one.
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Speaker 2: Other player we should mention because he was a second,
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Speaker 2: round pick and that's the Corner From Tennessee. Colton, hood
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Speaker 2: yeah started out with. FUCKING corners, i, mean look let's
12:39
Speaker 2: say he blows it up in trading camp and. He's
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Speaker 2: Great greg newsom has played a lot. Of nickel, you
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Speaker 2: know is It possible hood could start on the outside
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Speaker 2: and they Can move newsome. To nickel they could do.
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Speaker 2: That too, you know it all depends on. Goods development,
12:51
Speaker 2: but again a second, round pick. A player i liked his.
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Speaker 2: College tape, he's long. He's athletic, you know second, round
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Speaker 2: pick you're drafting him to be, a starter ideally sooner.
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Speaker 2: Than later so we'll see how he plays out through.
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Speaker 4: Training, camp jeff by, the way Contractually On greg newsom
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Speaker 4: one year, eight million one year, Eight, million yes but
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Speaker 4: they only guaranteed three million, of it not saying they
13:14
Speaker 4: would cut, them right but that tells, You, that okay
13:17
Speaker 4: it's probably it's really good.
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Speaker 3: Nickel. Money yeah greg makes a, good.
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Speaker 4: Point Though if hood's a second, round pick he's second,
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Speaker 4: round picks you want them to start. Year one let's
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Speaker 4: just see If he's greg makes a. Great point if
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Speaker 4: he's killing it in, Training Camp, Culton, hood yeah it
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Speaker 4: helps your defense because then You because newson could play
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Speaker 4: nickel when he could.
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Speaker 3: Play, outside yeah so it actually makes them better because
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Speaker 3: THEY have.
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Speaker 1: I Like drew phillips is. A nickel i think he's
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Speaker 1: a pretty, Good PLAYER so i.
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Speaker 2: Mean yeah and and and by, the way, You know
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Speaker 2: adam's point is really, good Too because newsom they're. Not
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Speaker 2: guaranteed they didn't guarantee him a ton. Of money Let's
13:51
Speaker 2: Say drew phillips is phenomenal in camp and he's clearly
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Speaker 2: a Nickel and. Hood's great newsom could theoretically. Get cut
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Speaker 2: it's not a big number. The, guy, Yeah, RIGHT craig.
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Speaker 1: I want to get to. The OFFENSE but i just
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Speaker 1: want to finish this off in a way that we
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Speaker 1: do it best here on Inside, the birds which is really.
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Speaker 1: Schematically RIGHT so i want to get Back To. Denard
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Speaker 1: wilson he has better personnel and in the front floor
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Speaker 1: we just said he cant have some really good. Past
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Speaker 1: rushing you said he would like to be. More aggressive
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Speaker 1: what does that look like? For? Him like who are?
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Speaker 1: His influences? Is? He uh?
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Speaker 5: Is he Is?
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Speaker 1: He florenes like is he gonna blitz from with his
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Speaker 1: own behind the man?
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Speaker 3: Behind?
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Speaker 1: It like what is he?
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Speaker 2: Gonna do he's got a lot of influences because he
14:32
Speaker 2: was on a Staff With greg Williams When greg williams was.
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Speaker 2: A decoordinator i believe.
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Speaker 3: That was with was that With. The jets it was With,
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Speaker 3: THE jets. I, believe Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So denard has a lot of people that, you know
14:43
Speaker 2: he's been around the block. And personality do you Guys
14:47
Speaker 2: know dinard? At?
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Speaker 3: All, no no, but yeah he was a very.
14:52
Speaker 2: Intense personality he is a classic defensive coordinator, personality wise and,
14:58
Speaker 2: he wants, you know kick that you know what out of.
15:01
Speaker 2: AN offense, i mean he he does not want to,
15:03
Speaker 2: sit back but obviously you've got to play to. Your
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Speaker 2: personnel and now having, SAID that i don't mean he's
15:07
Speaker 2: going to be fifty, percent BLITZ but i think he
15:10
Speaker 2: would like to be in a situation where that is
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Speaker 2: a meaningful part of, his arsenal which he did not
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Speaker 2: feel like he could do that With the titans just because. Of, personnel,
15:18
Speaker 2: now again he's going to go through, you know he's
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Speaker 2: been through many OTAs in. Many camps they've got a
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Speaker 2: training camp to. Go through we'll see how. He feels
15:26
Speaker 2: we'll also See How rvel reese is deployed on. Third downs,
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Speaker 2: you know maybe he becomes part of the past rush.
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Speaker 2: As well, you know they've Got in Reese, and carter
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Speaker 2: they've got two movable chess pieces in third down and
15:39
Speaker 2: pure pass situations that can pose some issues for. An
15:43
Speaker 2: offense so, YOU know i think all that remains to.
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16:52
Speaker 1: going to look Like An Andy Reid matt? Nagy offense
16:55
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16:57
Speaker 1: you know run, the ball throw it to the. Tight
16:59
Speaker 1: end and where are you expecting? This team how are
17:02
Speaker 1: you expecting him to move?
17:03
Speaker 2: The chains that's a great question because You, know naggy
17:07
Speaker 2: you know when they. Hired Him and i'm sure because
17:10
Speaker 2: he's been around, the league this is not his. First
17:12
Speaker 2: rodeo i'm sure that's defined, as, to hey is this
17:15
Speaker 2: my offense or, you know and again we don't know
17:17
Speaker 2: the answer. To that, you, KNOW look I think i
17:23
Speaker 2: Guess is scatterbo supposed to be like healthy and able?
17:27
Speaker 3: To? Go, yes, yeah yeah oh. Yeah yeah his rehap's.
17:30
Speaker 4: Going well And let's GREG as i sent it back,
17:32
Speaker 4: to you. DON'T forget, i know he's not coaching. A
17:35
Speaker 4: Position But greg roman was. Brought back harball brought, him
17:38
Speaker 4: back so as a senior. OFFENSIVE assistant i wonder what
17:43
Speaker 4: kind of influence he'll have on.
17:44
Speaker 2: This, offense well you you'd have to assume there'd be
17:47
Speaker 2: a meaningful influence because They Signed.
17:49
Speaker 3: Patrick, REOCARD.
17:52
Speaker 2: No i mean you, know, again yeah, you know you
17:54
Speaker 2: Don't Sign, patrick ricard, you know to sit on. The
17:57
Speaker 2: bench it's not like he, you know he does twenty things.
17:59
Speaker 2: For you so, YOU know, I, think jeff you you
18:05
Speaker 2: asked a question That and i'm just, being honest is
18:07
Speaker 2: somewhat unanswerable because We're. Late june but given the fact
18:13
Speaker 2: that They, sign recard that They Made mewy noah their
18:17
Speaker 2: first round pick and are moving him to, right guard
18:19
Speaker 2: and a lot of people felt that guard would be
18:21
Speaker 2: his best position in. The league and, YOU know i
18:26
Speaker 2: think that they're going to want to. Be physical, NOW
18:30
Speaker 2: again i can't sit here and say what they're run
18:31
Speaker 2: past ratio is going. To be no one can answer that.
18:34
Speaker 2: Right now but, you know you don't Bring In, Greg,
18:37
Speaker 2: roman okay you Don't. Sign recard scatterbout healthy is probably
18:44
Speaker 2: your number. ONE back i don't want to necessarily feature
18:46
Speaker 2: BACK because i don't know what this new staff Things Of,
18:49
Speaker 2: tyrone tracy who's got, you know some juice to him
18:51
Speaker 2: and then can give you some. Bigger plays but everything
18:55
Speaker 2: would seem to lead to the fact that the run
18:58
Speaker 2: game is truly going to, be found that this is
19:01
Speaker 2: not going to be like let's toss it all over
19:03
Speaker 2: the yard and let's, you Know The west coast seventy
19:06
Speaker 2: percent past thirty. PERCENT run i don't my sense, sitting here,
19:10
Speaker 2: you know at this time, OF year i don't, see
19:11
Speaker 2: that do you?
19:12
Speaker 4: Guys agree not, Only, that greg Remember With milik neighbors
19:16
Speaker 4: coming off a major knee injury and there are questions
19:18
Speaker 4: whether he'll be ready. Week One So jeff as we
19:21
Speaker 4: send it back, to, you right you take him out
19:24
Speaker 4: of the picture. For, Now right their receiver corp is
19:27
Speaker 4: completely different because You've Got. Darius slayton we know he,
19:29
Speaker 4: can run but you'd like him be your three rather
19:33
Speaker 4: than be. A Starter, calvin austin who's a backup one,
19:35
Speaker 4: Year deal mooney back up one, Year Deal Juws, smith
19:38
Speaker 4: schuster backup one, year deal obj backup one. Year deal
19:42
Speaker 4: this to me speaks of. Twelve, personnel yes probably some
19:46
Speaker 4: thirteen twenty one. PERSONNEL too.
19:48
Speaker 2: I agree, you know keep in mind they sign likely
19:52
Speaker 2: they Still Have, theo johnson who's not a, Bad Player,
19:54
Speaker 2: chris manhurst who's a really. Good, blocker okay that's why
19:59
Speaker 2: He's an so now you got two guys on, the
20:02
Speaker 2: roster and by, The way manhurts whoever he is he
20:05
Speaker 2: makes the team and, he blocks, You know so now
20:07
Speaker 2: you got two Guys And manderson recard that are there
20:10
Speaker 2: because they can block in the. Run, game okay.
20:13
Speaker 3: So, YOU know i just.
20:15
Speaker 2: Sense that, YOU know i don't want to sit here
20:17
Speaker 2: and say they're going. To play, you know it's this
20:19
Speaker 2: is not Like The Green bay packers of the, nineteen
20:21
Speaker 2: sixties but, YOU know i.
20:23
Speaker 3: Think this is going to be.
20:25
Speaker 2: A run game. Priority here whatever that means in terms,
20:29
Speaker 2: of ratio we. Can't answer but this is they're going
20:32
Speaker 2: to try to be physical and run.
20:34
Speaker 1: The, BALL yeah, i mean and honestly they're they're hurt
20:37
Speaker 1: even More By melik neighbors maybe not even being ready by.
20:41
Speaker 1: Week one they need someone to step up and become,
20:44
Speaker 1: a weapon either three running back or the tight end wide.
20:49
Speaker 1: Receiver somewhere they need a weapon other than the lak.
20:51
Speaker 2: Nab me not going through training. Camp, Yet okay so
20:54
Speaker 2: we don't know how it'll, play out but Let's assume
20:57
Speaker 2: neighbors is. Not ready from everything, you've read it appear
21:00
Speaker 2: as he may not be or, you know he's not
21:01
Speaker 2: going to be able to go through training camp fully
21:03
Speaker 2: and do everything. That's necessary so, right now if you're
21:07
Speaker 2: going to put eleven personnel on. THE field i mean the.
21:11
Speaker 2: Receiving corps Let's leave obj out for, the moment because
21:14
Speaker 2: you know he. Hasn't played we have. No idea so
21:16
Speaker 2: the receiving corp is some Combination, Of, Slayton, Austin Moodey
21:20
Speaker 2: smith schuster and The Rookie. Malachi FIELDS so, i mean
21:24
Speaker 2: you know that's, you know they probably again they're going
21:28
Speaker 2: to have to do that when it's, third, nine OBVIOUSLY
21:30
Speaker 2: but i mean just as a foundational approach, TO offense
21:33
Speaker 2: i don't think you're going to see.
21:34
Speaker 4: That twelve and thirteen personnel twenty ONE person, i, mean.
21:39
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. They can't they can't. Fall behind you can't,
21:41
Speaker 1: have that Especially if neighbors. Isn't ready you can't be
21:44
Speaker 1: trying to erase a fourteen to nothing deficit because you
21:47
Speaker 1: turn the ball over and gave somebody an. Easy time
21:49
Speaker 1: they have to, play, carefully deliberately methodically and move the ball,
21:53
Speaker 1: stream clock stay within games and hope that they can
21:56
Speaker 1: get a few big plays off of running the ball
21:59
Speaker 1: well and then maybe hitting.
22:00
Speaker 2: Something, deep yeah and and and darts you know obviously.
22:04
Speaker 2: Can scramble you know that that's a factor. For sure,
22:06
Speaker 2: now likely there's. No question likely can be detached from
22:09
Speaker 2: the formation and at times play like a, wide receiver
22:12
Speaker 2: but he certainly doesn't have the speed of a, wide, receiver.
22:14
Speaker 1: Right and then you know this will be his first
22:17
Speaker 1: foray without, you know a THREE time mvp throwing him,
22:20
Speaker 1: the football, so right it's gonna be a big difference
22:24
Speaker 1: for him in. This, OFFENSE yeah I just i just
22:26
Speaker 1: don't love the offense. RIGHT now i was in the
22:29
Speaker 1: off season when we talked. ABOUT it i was a
22:31
Speaker 1: little higher on the ideas of IT because I thought
22:33
Speaker 1: neighbors was going to be back. Pretty soon but, without him.
22:36
Speaker 1: They ARE and i Never thought i'd be, saying This
22:38
Speaker 1: But wandale robinson was a big loss for.
22:40
Speaker 3: Them just because they don't really have A year humber.
22:43
Speaker 2: Two, guy, yeah, YEAH yeah i mean, SO yeah i
22:46
Speaker 2: think the wide. Receiver position, you, know Obviously when neighbors,
22:50
Speaker 2: is healthy, you know he's. He's great But, after neighbors
22:54
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of questions to who's. Gonna play
22:57
Speaker 2: we don't know that. Right now they've got a lot
22:59
Speaker 2: of guys that, you know are sort Of like, adam
23:02
Speaker 2: said one. Year deals one. Year deals the rookie fields
23:05
Speaker 2: WHOSE tape. I liked but, you, know again he's, a
23:07
Speaker 2: rookie so you know the guy who's totally lost in,
23:10
Speaker 2: all this who just never made it and who Knows Is.
23:13
Speaker 2: Jalen hyatt ye.
23:15
Speaker 3: Not surprised to be honest.
23:16
Speaker 4: With him he was a player that a lot of
23:19
Speaker 4: People that JEFF and i spoke to before the Twenty,
23:21
Speaker 4: year draft nobody. Liked him so it's, two finals doesn't
23:24
Speaker 4: play to his, length explosive but that's all.
23:26
Speaker 3: He is you got to be more, than right.
23:28
Speaker 2: You know, You know i've been doing a lot of
23:30
Speaker 2: thinking and, you know go watching more tape and talking.
23:33
Speaker 2: To people how Many and i'm sure there, are exceptions
23:37
Speaker 2: but just, think generally how many under four four wide
23:41
Speaker 2: receivers really make it IN the nfl as like big.
23:45
Speaker 2: Time wideouts the position is not. Too, many no the
23:49
Speaker 2: position is not about straight line speed in a. Track
23:53
Speaker 2: setting that's not what wide receiver is IN.
23:55
Speaker 1: The. Nfl, wonderful, yeah, yeah yeah, you're right that. Is
23:58
Speaker 1: true that's been proven.
23:59
Speaker 2: FOR while i was just At the titans, mini camp and,
24:04
Speaker 2: you know obviously it's, mini Camp so i'm not making,
24:06
Speaker 2: a judgment BUT obviously i Watched this tate for, two years,
24:08
Speaker 2: you Know so i've had my eye quite a Bit On,
24:11
Speaker 2: carnel tate and, you know he ran a four or, five,
24:14
Speaker 2: three okay, you know and a lot of people. FORGET
24:16
Speaker 2: that a lot of guys who've been great wide receivers in,
24:19
Speaker 2: this League Like DeAndre hopkins i think was a four
24:21
Speaker 2: or five seven or a four or. Five eight We
24:23
Speaker 2: Know cooper cup was a four to. SIX two i
24:25
Speaker 2: remember being at the Combine When anklin bolden ran a
24:28
Speaker 2: four to seven, to two and there was an audible
24:30
Speaker 2: sigh in the building and people, acted like this guy's
24:32
Speaker 2: never going to play in, the league, you know and,
24:35
Speaker 2: you KNOW and i was Just watching. Tate move and by,
24:38
Speaker 2: the way his hands are like the size Of the State.
24:40
Speaker 2: OF texas, i mean his hands are. SO big i
24:43
Speaker 2: mean he catches the ball like it's a, rubber, Ball
24:46
Speaker 2: Right Cornel. Tate, Tate YEAH but i MEAN.
24:49
Speaker 3: Just i watched.
24:49
Speaker 2: Him move that's the number ONE thing i, was looking,
24:51
Speaker 2: You know and he just moves, so easily. You know
24:55
Speaker 2: and it's not about. STRAIGHT lines, i mean we're still
24:58
Speaker 2: Waiting For xavier worthy ran the woar two. TO one
25:00
Speaker 2: i remember being in, the building, you know at, the
25:02
Speaker 2: combine and you know everybody gets excited because it's like the. Swimsuit,
25:05
Speaker 2: competition no everybody. Gets excited and he still has not
25:08
Speaker 2: been a vertical dimension in. THE league i mean other
25:11
Speaker 2: Than The sean Jackson And jeff as we sent it back.
25:13
Speaker 3: To, you Yeah Good.
25:14
Speaker 5: Tyreek hill but but there's always, you knows not a lot.
25:18
Speaker 3: Of them i'll tell.
25:19
Speaker 1: You why i'll tell. You Why jason levan explained this
25:21
Speaker 1: to me once in a really fascinating way that. Made
25:25
Speaker 1: sense he said that the guys who are gifted with,
25:28
Speaker 1: blinding speed their feet moves so fast that it's almost
25:33
Speaker 1: difficult for them to become very precise route runners and
25:37
Speaker 1: have an expanded route tree because getting in and out of.
25:40
Speaker 1: Your breaks he would, Even Say. Tyreek Hill and i'm
25:43
Speaker 1: sure you, Observe, This greg it's Not Like tyrek hill
25:45
Speaker 1: was a great. Route runner he almost rounded out his
25:47
Speaker 1: route instead of flattening because his feet moved. So fast
25:52
Speaker 1: you have to have some superhuman Qualities Like DeShawn jackson
25:55
Speaker 1: was a great. Ball tracker so even though he may
25:58
Speaker 1: not have been the greatest route run or if you
26:00
Speaker 1: threw it over the defense and he could catch up.
26:02
Speaker 1: To it he could he could track it in a
26:04
Speaker 1: way that not a lot of guys. Can do so,
26:06
Speaker 1: you're right it is rare to FIND those a lot of.
26:09
Speaker 2: The, feed guys a lot of the, speed guys because
26:11
Speaker 2: they spent their careers probably from the time they were twelve,
26:13
Speaker 2: years old being able to just run. By people the
26:16
Speaker 2: One thing i've known is they don't have a strong
26:19
Speaker 2: sense of pace and tempo, in routes of how to
26:22
Speaker 2: use their, vertical stem, you know because running routes is
26:25
Speaker 2: not just flying off, the ball. You know and you
26:29
Speaker 2: know it's, JUST again i didn't do a study teams
26:32
Speaker 2: through these kinds. Of studies i'm. ONE person i can't
26:34
Speaker 2: just sit here all day, and study, you know twenty
26:36
Speaker 2: five years worth of, YOU know i don't. Do that
26:38
Speaker 2: i'd rather. Watch tape but but just, THINKING anecdotally i
26:42
Speaker 2: don't think there's been a ton of pure speed guys
26:47
Speaker 2: that have been, you know great receivers in, the, league.
26:50
Speaker 1: Right, agreed agreed far more guys who run that middle level. That,
26:55
Speaker 1: that yes, All right so let's look At. The giants
27:00
Speaker 1: they're an. INTERESTING team i feel like THEY'VE got I
27:04
Speaker 1: wouldn't i feel like they have a steadying presence. TO
27:06
Speaker 1: them i don't know WHAT they're i don't think their
27:08
Speaker 1: ceiling for this year is going to be, extraordinarily HIGH
27:10
Speaker 1: but i feel like their floor is a lot higher
27:13
Speaker 1: than it has been in. The past and they've always,
27:15
Speaker 1: you know they Give the eagles some troubles every once in.
27:17
Speaker 1: A while they Beat the eagles last year in that.
27:19
Speaker 1: First Game but i'm really curious to see their identity
27:24
Speaker 1: both offensively and defensively and.
27:25
Speaker 4: How.
27:25
Speaker 2: Different point that's a. Great point, and look this is
27:29
Speaker 2: not a, brilliant statement but the Development. Of dart, you
27:32
Speaker 2: Know if dart were to, become, great obviously, you know.
27:35
Speaker 2: Things Changed, if dart, you know sort of just has steady,
27:38
Speaker 2: incremental progress Then the giants will probably be just what you, suggest.
27:41
Speaker 1: It right we know that the running quarterback can be
27:44
Speaker 1: a great equalizer and, you know stally a. Few wins so,
27:48
Speaker 1: all right. Great stuff in our, next episode we'll move
27:50
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27:55
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27:58
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