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How Does Anything (Including Us) Change in a Nondual World? with A. H. Almaas · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  one
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  of
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  dialogue
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  15
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  in
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  our
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  Wisdom
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  Series
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  with
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  spiritual
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  master
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  and
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  teacher
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas,
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  aka
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  Hameed
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  Ali.
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  In
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  this
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  dialogue
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  we
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  dive
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  into
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  the
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  logos
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  and
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  creative
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  dynamism
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  and
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  how
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  everything
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  emerges
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  from
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  nothing.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation,
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  Life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation,
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  Self,
• 0:39
  Society
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  Spirit,
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  a
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  podcast
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  in
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  which
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  we
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  really
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  try
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  to
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  bring
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  some
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  depth
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  to
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  our
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  contemporary
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  dialogues
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  and
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  in
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  which
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  we
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  have
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  the
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  privilege
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  of
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  dialoguing
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  with
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  some
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  of
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  the
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  great
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  contemplatives,
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  thinkers
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  and
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  activists
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  of
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  our
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  time
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  when
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  trying
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  to
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  bring
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  a
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  really
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  deep
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  reflective
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  perspective
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  to
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  the
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  great
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  issues
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  of
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  our
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  time
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  and
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  to
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  issues
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  of
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  all
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  time
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  and
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  of
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  the
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  deep
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  exploration
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  of
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  our
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  fundamental
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  being.
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  And
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  ways
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  we're
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  doing
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  that
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  is
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  to
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  have
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  the
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  privilege
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  of
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  having
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  an
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  extensive
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  dialogue
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  with
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas,
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  that's
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  the
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  pen
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  name,
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  real
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  name
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  Hameed
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  Ali,
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  who's
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  the
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  founder
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  of
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  the
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  Diamond
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  Approach
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  and
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  the
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  Ridhwan School.
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  And
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  we
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  are
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  systematically
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  working
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  our
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  way
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  through
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  Hamid's
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  magnum
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  opus,
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  or
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  actually
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  there
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  are
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  a
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  lot,
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  several
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  magnum
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  opuses
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  and
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  Hamid
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  is
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  a
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  very
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  prolific
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  writer
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  and
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  teacher.
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  But
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  we're
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  working
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  our
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  way
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  through
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  the
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  Inner
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  Journey
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  Home,
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  which
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  is
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  one
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  of
• 1:43
  his
• 1:43
  larger
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  and
• 1:44
  more
• 1:44
  systematic
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  texts
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  up
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  to
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  chapter
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  20,
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  logos
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  and
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  creative
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  Dynamism
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  and
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  Hamid.
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  This
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  is
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  quite
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  a
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  chapter.
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  This
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  has
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  given
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  me,
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  John
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  and
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  me
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  quite
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  a
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  workout.
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  We
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  have
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  texted
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  back
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  and
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  forth,
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  what's
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  this
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  mean?
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  How
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  are
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  you
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  doing
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  with
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  this?
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  It's
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  been
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  most,
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  I
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  hesitate
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  to
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  say
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  it's
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  been
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  most
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  profound
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  because
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  every
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  chapter
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  is
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  profound
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  in
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  its
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  own
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  way,
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  but
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  certainly
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  been
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  most,
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  has
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  a
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  unique
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  depth
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  and
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  dimension
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  to
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  it.
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  And
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  the
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  fundamental
• 2:12
  topic
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  is
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  creative
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  dynamism.
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  The
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  idea
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  that
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  being
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  the
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  fundamental
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  nature,
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  true
• 2:18
  nature,
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  the
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  fundamental
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  dimension
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  of
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  reality
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  is
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  inherently
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  dynamic.
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  And
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  for
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  me
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  it's
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  been
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  a
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  really
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  valuable
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  antidote
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  to
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  my
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  own
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  kind
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  of,
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  I
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  guess,
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  exposure
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  to
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  traditions
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  like
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  Advaita
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  Vedanta,
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  where
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  there's
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  the
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  assumption
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  of
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  Brahman
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  or
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  God
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  as
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  this
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  static
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  being.
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  And
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  you
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  by
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  contrast,
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  really
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  point
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  to
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  the
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  fact
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  that
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  yes,
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  fundamental
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  nature
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  is
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  transcendent
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  to
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  time
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  and
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  space
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  and
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  motion,
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  et
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  cetera,
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  but
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  it
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  also
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  has
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  inherent
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  with
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  it
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  both
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  a
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  creativity
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  and
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  a
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  dynamism,
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  ongoing
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  perpetual
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  creation
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  of
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  the
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  universe
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  and
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  of
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  us.
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  There's
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  a
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  lot
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  here,
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  but
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  maybe
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  I'll
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  just
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  let
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  you
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  respond
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  to
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  that.
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  I
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  mean,
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  yeah,
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  I
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  wonder,
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  you
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  know,
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  if
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  you
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  talk
• 3:07
  to
• 3:07
  somebody
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  who's
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  knowledgeable
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  and
• 3:09
  dvdanta,
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  how
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  will
• 3:11
  they
• 3:11
  explain
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  from
• 3:12
  there
• 3:13
  perspective
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  changes
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  that
• 3:15
  Happen
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  and
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  experience
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  it
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  must
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  have
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  some
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  way
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  to
• 3:19
  explain
• 3:19
  it,
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  because
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  there's
• 3:20
  no
• 3:21
  way
• 3:21
  to
• 3:21
  explain
• 3:21
  it
• 3:21
  without
• 3:22
  the
• 3:22
  dynamism.
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  And
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  it
• 3:25
  is
• 3:25
  called
• 3:26
  different
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  names,
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  different
• 3:27
  teachings.
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  You
• 3:28
  know,
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  like
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  in
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  Dzogchen,
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  they
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  talk
• 3:31
  about
• 3:31
  energy.
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  Mahmouda
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  talks
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  about
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  manifestation.
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  There's
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  the
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  one
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  taste
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  and
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  then
• 3:37
  there's
• 3:37
  a
• 3:37
  manifestation
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  they
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  can
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  manifest.
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  So
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  this
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  is
• 3:40
  talk
• 3:40
  about
• 3:40
  what?
• 3:41
  Manifestation.
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  Manifestation
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  and
• 3:43
  attempt
• 3:43
  to
• 3:43
  explain
• 3:44
  changes.
• 3:44
  Same
• 3:45
  thing
• 3:45
  with
• 3:45
  energy.
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  If
• 3:47
  you
• 3:47
  go
• 3:47
  to
• 3:47
  Kashmiri
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  Shaivism,
• 3:48
  they
• 3:49
  talk
• 3:49
  about
• 3:49
  Shiva
• 3:50
  and
• 3:50
  Shakti.
• 3:51
  Shiva
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  is
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  the
• 3:52
  still
• 3:53
  and
• 3:54
  Shakti
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  is
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  the
• 3:55
  dynamic,
• 3:55
  creative.
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  So
• 3:57
  they
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  have
• 3:58
  it
• 3:58
  right
• 3:58
  there
• 3:58
  from
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  beginning,
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  beginning
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  of
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  the
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  system.
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  Another
• 4:03
  teaching,
• 4:03
  of
• 4:03
  course,
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  Western
• 4:04
  tradition.
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  Sufis
• 4:07
  talk
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  about
• 4:08
  creativity
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  and
• 4:10
  Sufi
• 4:10
  talk
• 4:10
  about
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  new
• 4:11
  creation.
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  That's
• 4:12
  what
• 4:12
  they
• 4:13
  call
• 4:13
  it,
• 4:13
  new
• 4:13
  creation.
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  That
• 4:14
  everything
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  is
• 4:15
  a
• 4:15
  new
• 4:15
  creation.
• 4:16
  No
• 4:16
  creation
• 4:17
  is
• 4:17
  old.
• 4:18
  So
• 4:19
  this
• 4:20
  topic
• 4:21
  ranges
• 4:21
  through
• 4:22
  all
• 4:22
  these
• 4:22
  perspectives
• 4:23
  and
• 4:23
  adds
• 4:24
  more.
• 4:24
  And
• 4:24
  in
• 4:25
  fact,
• 4:25
  I
• 4:25
  mean,
• 4:25
  the
• 4:25
  interesting
• 4:26
  thing
• 4:27
  about
• 4:27
  this
• 4:28
  dimension
• 4:28
  we
• 4:29
  experience,
• 4:29
  which
• 4:29
  is
• 4:29
  the
• 4:30
  dimension
• 4:30
  of
• 4:30
  our
• 4:31
  nature,
• 4:31
  true
• 4:31
  nature,
• 4:32
  one
• 4:32
  way
• 4:33
  true
• 4:33
  nature
• 4:33
  manifests
• 4:34
  itself.
• 4:35
  We
• 4:35
  talked
• 4:36
  about
• 4:36
  presence
• 4:37
  and
• 4:37
  awareness,
• 4:38
  but
• 4:38
  also
• 4:40
  presence,
• 4:40
  awareness
• 4:40
  don't
• 4:41
  explain
• 4:41
  how
• 4:41
  things
• 4:42
  change.
• 4:44
  They
• 4:45
  just
• 4:45
  say
• 4:45
  how
• 4:46
  you
• 4:46
  experience
• 4:46
  them.
• 4:46
  How
• 4:47
  does
• 4:47
  a
• 4:48
  comet
• 4:48
  move
• 4:48
  across
• 4:49
  the
• 4:49
  sky?
• 4:50
  How
• 4:50
  do
• 4:50
  you
• 4:50
  explain
• 4:51
  that?
• 4:51
  How
• 4:51
  do
• 4:51
  you
• 4:52
  explain
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  changes
• 4:53
  day
• 4:53
  and
• 4:53
  night?
• 4:54
  I
• 4:55
  explain
• 4:55
  the
• 4:55
  changes
• 4:56
  of
• 4:56
  thoughts
• 4:57
  and
• 4:57
  feeling
• 4:57
  and
• 4:58
  emotion.
• 4:58
  They're
• 4:59
  all
• 4:59
  changing.
• 4:59
  And
• 5:00
  always
• 5:00
  sort
• 5:01
  of.
• 5:01
  There
• 5:01
  is
• 5:02
  the
• 5:02
  usual
• 5:02
  conventional,
• 5:03
  what's
• 5:03
  called
• 5:04
  conventional
• 5:05
  view,
• 5:06
  which
• 5:06
  is
• 5:06
  changes
• 5:07
  happen
• 5:07
  in
• 5:08
  time.
• 5:09
  Things
• 5:09
  are
• 5:10
  there
• 5:10
  and
• 5:11
  time
• 5:11
  passes
• 5:12
  on
• 5:12
  them.
• 5:12
  And
• 5:12
  through
• 5:13
  natural
• 5:13
  laws,
• 5:14
  they
• 5:14
  move
• 5:14
  and
• 5:15
  change.
• 5:15
  Not
• 5:15
  that
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  conventional
• 5:16
  science
• 5:17
  experience
• 5:17
  is
• 5:18
  a
• 5:18
  big
• 5:18
  part
• 5:18
  of
• 5:18
  that,
• 5:19
  but
• 5:19
  that
• 5:19
  is
• 5:20
  the
• 5:21
  material
• 5:21
  view
• 5:21
  of
• 5:22
  explaining
• 5:22
  this.
• 5:23
  I
• 5:24
  think
• 5:24
  that
• 5:24
  kind
• 5:24
  of
• 5:25
  explanation
• 5:25
  changes
• 5:26
  is
• 5:26
  useful.
• 5:27
  I
• 5:27
  don't
• 5:28
  think
• 5:28
  of
• 5:28
  it
• 5:28
  as
• 5:28
  wrong.
• 5:29
  I'm
• 5:30
  just
• 5:30
  saying
• 5:30
  it's
• 5:30
  one
• 5:30
  explanation,
• 5:31
  one
• 5:32
  way
• 5:32
  of
• 5:32
  seeing
• 5:33
  how
• 5:33
  change
• 5:33
  happened.
• 5:34
  If
• 5:34
  you
• 5:34
  see
• 5:35
  it
• 5:35
  from
• 5:35
  the
• 5:35
  perspective
• 5:36
  of
• 5:37
  objects
• 5:37
  in
• 5:37
  time.
• 5:39
  However,
• 5:40
  we're
• 5:40
  talking
• 5:40
  about
• 5:41
  realizing
• 5:42
  our
• 5:42
  nature,
• 5:43
  which
• 5:43
  is
• 5:44
  beyond
• 5:44
  the
• 5:44
  material,
• 5:45
  beyond
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  objects
• 5:46
  in
• 5:47
  time.
• 5:48
  So
• 5:48
  how
• 5:49
  do
• 5:49
  we
• 5:49
  see
• 5:49
  changes
• 5:50
  happening?
• 5:50
  If
• 5:51
  we
• 5:51
  ask
• 5:51
  that
• 5:51
  question,
• 5:52
  we
• 5:52
  begin
• 5:53
  to
• 5:53
  access
• 5:54
  or
• 5:54
  be
• 5:54
  open
• 5:55
  to
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  fact
• 5:56
  that
• 5:56
  our
• 5:57
  nature
• 5:58
  is
• 5:58
  dynamic
• 5:59
  in
• 5:59
  the
• 5:59
  sense
• 5:59
  it
• 5:59
  has
• 6:00
  energies,
• 6:00
  has
• 6:01
  dynamism,
• 6:01
  has
• 6:02
  movement,
• 6:02
  has
• 6:02
  flow.
• 6:03
  And
• 6:04
  that
• 6:04
  appeals
• 6:05
  as
• 6:05
  some
• 6:05
  kind
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  a
• 6:06
  creativity
• 6:07
  that
• 6:07
  becomes
• 6:08
  like
• 6:08
  display.
• 6:09
  And
• 6:10
  you
• 6:10
  know,
• 6:10
  in
• 6:10
  the
• 6:11
  chapter
• 6:11
  I
• 6:11
  talk
• 6:11
  about
• 6:11
  different
• 6:12
  ways
• 6:13
  of
• 6:13
  viewing
• 6:15
  that
• 6:15
  kind
• 6:15
  of
• 6:16
  creativity.
• 6:17
  Each
• 6:17
  way
• 6:18
  is
• 6:18
  a
• 6:18
  kind
• 6:18
  of
• 6:19
  experience,
• 6:20
  different
• 6:20
  PMI
• 6:21
  experience
• 6:21
  one
• 6:21
  way
• 6:21
  or
• 6:22
  the
• 6:22
  other.
• 6:22
  He
• 6:23
  experiences
• 6:23
  as
• 6:24
  outer
• 6:24
  flow,
• 6:25
  as
• 6:26
  a
• 6:26
  new
• 6:26
  creation,
• 6:27
  as
• 6:28
  display,
• 6:29
  as
• 6:30
  manifestation,
• 6:32
  as
• 6:33
  transformation,
• 6:35
  all
• 6:36
  of
• 6:36
  that.
• 6:37
  But
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  idea
• 6:37
  is
• 6:37
  that
• 6:38
  when
• 6:38
  we
• 6:38
  talk
• 6:38
  about
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  non
• 6:39
  dual,
• 6:39
  which
• 6:39
  everything
• 6:40
  is
• 6:40
  one,
• 6:42
  all
• 6:42
  what
• 6:43
  we
• 6:43
  tweet
• 6:43
  is
• 6:44
  all
• 6:45
  manifestation,
• 6:46
  all
• 6:46
  reality
• 6:47
  is
• 6:48
  part
• 6:48
  of
• 6:48
  one
• 6:49
  unified
• 6:50
  fabric.
• 6:51
  Just
• 6:51
  one
• 6:51
  unified
• 6:52
  fabric.
• 6:53
  What
• 6:53
  does
• 6:53
  it
• 6:53
  mean
• 6:54
  about
• 6:54
  cars
• 6:55
  moving
• 6:55
  one
• 6:56
  place
• 6:56
  to
• 6:56
  another?
• 6:57
  There's
• 6:58
  no
• 6:58
  car,
• 6:58
  actually,
• 6:59
  one
• 7:00
  unified
• 7:00
  fabric.
• 7:01
  Some
• 7:01
  part
• 7:01
  of
• 7:02
  it
• 7:02
  appears
• 7:02
  as
• 7:02
  a
• 7:03
  car
• 7:03
  or
• 7:03
  a
• 7:03
  bird.
• 7:05
  So
• 7:05
  how
• 7:05
  do
• 7:05
  you
• 7:05
  explain
• 7:05
  the
• 7:06
  bird
• 7:06
  flying?
• 7:07
  Well,
• 7:07
  Hamid,
• 7:08
  the
• 7:08
  word
• 7:08
  that
• 7:08
  you
• 7:09
  use
• 7:09
  over
• 7:09
  and
• 7:09
  over
• 7:09
  again
• 7:10
  as
• 7:10
  part
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  title
• 7:11
  of
• 7:11
  the
• 7:11
  chapter,
• 7:12
  as
• 7:12
  well
• 7:12
  as
• 7:12
  creative
• 7:13
  dynamism,
• 7:13
  is
• 7:13
  the
• 7:14
  Logos.
• 7:15
  And
• 7:16
  I
• 7:17
  love
• 7:17
  that.
• 7:17
  And
• 7:17
  that
• 7:17
  connects
• 7:18
  you
• 7:18
  with
• 7:18
  the
• 7:19
  Heracles
• 7:19
  and
• 7:20
  the
• 7:20
  early
• 7:21
  Greek
• 7:21
  philosophers
• 7:22
  and
• 7:22
  later
• 7:22
  the
• 7:22
  Neoplatonists
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  the
• 7:24
  Bible.
• 7:25
  As
• 7:25
  you
• 7:25
  mentioned
• 7:26
  in
• 7:26
  the
• 7:26
  book,
• 7:26
  the
• 7:26
  first
• 7:27
  verse
• 7:27
  of
• 7:28
  the
• 7:28
  Gospel
• 7:28
  of
• 7:28
  John,
• 7:29
  in
• 7:29
  the
• 7:29
  first
• 7:30
  chapter
• 7:30
  and
• 7:31
  the
• 7:31
  second
• 7:31
  verse
• 7:32
  is
• 7:32
  in
• 7:32
  the
• 7:32
  beginning
• 7:33
  was
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  Word.
• 7:33
  And
• 7:33
  the.
• 7:34
  The
• 7:34
  Word
• 7:34
  was
• 7:34
  with
• 7:34
  God.
• 7:35
  And
• 7:35
  the
• 7:35
  Word
• 7:35
  was
• 7:36
  God
• 7:36
  and
• 7:36
  nothing
• 7:37
  was
• 7:37
  made
• 7:38
  that
• 7:38
  was
• 7:38
  not
• 7:38
  made
• 7:39
  by
• 7:39
  him,
• 7:39
  basically.
• 7:40
  And
• 7:40
  in
• 7:40
  the
• 7:41
  original
• 7:41
  Greek
• 7:41
  it
• 7:41
  says
• 7:42
  in
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  beginning
• 7:42
  was
• 7:42
  a
• 7:43
  Logos,
• 7:43
  and
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  Logos
• 7:44
  was
• 7:44
  with
• 7:45
  God,
• 7:45
  and
• 7:45
  the
• 7:45
  Logos
• 7:46
  was
• 7:46
  God.
• 7:47
  And
• 7:48
  that
• 7:48
  is
• 7:49
  a
• 7:49
  very,
• 7:49
  very
• 7:50
  powerful
• 7:51
  statement.
• 7:51
  And
• 7:51
  I
• 7:52
  don't
• 7:52
  think
• 7:52
  that
• 7:52
  disagrees
• 7:53
  at
• 7:53
  all
• 7:53
  with
• 7:54
  what
• 7:54
  I've
• 7:54
  been
• 7:54
  understanding
• 7:55
  from
• 7:56
  working,
• 7:56
  reading
• 7:57
  this
• 7:57
  book
• 7:57
  and
• 7:57
  this,
• 7:57
  what
• 7:58
  you
• 7:58
  talk
• 7:58
  about.
• 7:59
  Yeah,
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  mean,
• 7:59
  like
• 8:00
  when
• 8:00
  people
• 8:01
  read
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  Bible,
• 8:02
  when
• 8:02
  they
• 8:02
  say
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  Word
• 8:04
  was
• 8:04
  with
• 8:05
  God,
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  Word,
• 8:06
  the
• 8:06
  beginning
• 8:07
  was
• 8:07
  the
• 8:07
  Word,
• 8:08
  the
• 8:08
  Word
• 8:08
  is
• 8:08
  with
• 8:09
  God,
• 8:09
  the
• 8:09
  Word
• 8:09
  was
• 8:10
  God.
• 8:11
  What
• 8:11
  does
• 8:11
  the
• 8:11
  Word
• 8:12
  mean?
• 8:13
  It's
• 8:13
  not
• 8:14
  a
• 8:14
  word
• 8:14
  in
• 8:14
  the
• 8:14
  usual
• 8:15
  sense
• 8:15
  of
• 8:15
  the
• 8:15
  Word.
• 8:17
  Well,
• 8:17
  it's
• 8:17
  often
• 8:17
  interpreted
• 8:18
  as
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  King
• 8:19
  James
• 8:19
  version
• 8:19
  of
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  Bible,
• 8:20
  every
• 8:20
  jot,
• 8:21
  title
• 8:21
  and
• 8:21
  semicolon.
• 8:22
  And
• 8:22
  that's
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  word
• 8:23
  of
• 8:23
  God.
• 8:24
  Yeah,
• 8:25
  that's
• 8:25
  the
• 8:25
  word
• 8:25
  they're
• 8:26
  talking
• 8:26
  about.
• 8:26
  But
• 8:26
  when
• 8:26
  you
• 8:27
  change
• 8:27
  it
• 8:27
  to
• 8:27
  Logos,
• 8:28
  it
• 8:28
  has
• 8:28
  a
• 8:29
  much
• 8:29
  more
• 8:29
  profound
• 8:29
  and
• 8:30
  clarifying
• 8:30
  meaning.
• 8:32
  Yeah.
• 8:32
  So
• 8:32
  this
• 8:32
  chapter
• 8:33
  go
• 8:33
  to
• 8:33
  really
• 8:34
  delve
• 8:34
  into
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  question,
• 8:35
  where
• 8:36
  does
• 8:36
  expression
• 8:37
  word
• 8:37
  come
• 8:38
  from?
• 8:38
  You
• 8:38
  see,
• 8:39
  and
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  think
• 8:40
  you
• 8:40
  read
• 8:40
  the
• 8:40
  chapter.
• 8:41
  So
• 8:41
  you
• 8:41
  saw
• 8:41
  it.
• 8:41
  It
• 8:42
  is
• 8:43
  not
• 8:43
  an
• 8:43
  easy
• 8:44
  thing
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  understand
• 8:45
  because
• 8:45
  when
• 8:45
  you
• 8:46
  say
• 8:46
  first
• 8:47
  was
• 8:47
  the
• 8:47
  Word
• 8:47
  and
• 8:47
  the
• 8:48
  Word
• 8:48
  was
• 8:48
  with
• 8:49
  God,
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  Word
• 8:50
  was
• 8:50
  God,
• 8:50
  or
• 8:51
  each
• 8:51
  one
• 8:51
  of
• 8:51
  them
• 8:51
  is
• 8:52
  saying
• 8:52
  something
• 8:53
  important
• 8:54
  about
• 8:54
  deep,
• 8:55
  very
• 8:55
  deep
• 8:55
  counter
• 8:56
  experience
• 8:56
  and
• 8:56
  realization
• 8:58
  is
• 8:58
  not
• 8:58
  understood
• 8:59
  just
• 8:59
  by
• 9:00
  looking
• 9:00
  at
• 9:01
  the
• 9:01
  Word
• 9:01
  and
• 9:01
  taking
• 9:02
  them
• 9:02
  at
• 9:02
  face
• 9:03
  value.
• 9:04
  Because
• 9:04
  otherwise,
• 9:05
  you
• 9:05
  know,
• 9:05
  face
• 9:05
  value.
• 9:06
  What
• 9:06
  do
• 9:06
  you
• 9:06
  mean?
• 9:06
  What
• 9:06
  word?
• 9:07
  One
• 9:07
  word.
• 9:08
  That
• 9:08
  word
• 9:08
  was
• 9:09
  with
• 9:09
  God.
• 9:10
  God
• 9:10
  is
• 9:10
  a
• 9:11
  word.
• 9:13
  And
• 9:13
  so
• 9:13
  the
• 9:14
  conventional
• 9:14
  meaning
• 9:15
  of
• 9:15
  words
• 9:16
  is
• 9:16
  not
• 9:16
  what
• 9:17
  is
• 9:17
  meant
• 9:17
  here.
• 9:18
  I
• 9:19
  don't
• 9:19
  think
• 9:19
  that's
• 9:19
  what's
• 9:19
  meant
• 9:20
  in
• 9:20
  the
• 9:20
  Bible,
• 9:21
  because
• 9:21
  how
• 9:22
  people
• 9:22
  read
• 9:22
  it
• 9:23
  can't
• 9:24
  be.
• 9:24
  I
• 9:24
  mean,
• 9:24
  it
• 9:25
  doesn't
• 9:25
  make
• 9:25
  sense.
• 9:25
  Of
• 9:26
  course
• 9:26
  the
• 9:26
  word
• 9:26
  Satan
• 9:27
  is
• 9:27
  used
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  refer
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  Jesus,
• 9:30
  you
• 9:30
  know,
• 9:30
  Christ.
• 9:32
  Anyway,
• 9:32
  so
• 9:33
  that's.
• 9:33
  Yeah.
• 9:33
  So
• 9:34
  if
• 9:35
  we
• 9:35
  get
• 9:35
  into
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  details
• 9:37
  of
• 9:38
  this
• 9:38
  teaching,
• 9:39
  this
• 9:39
  experience,
• 9:40
  we
• 9:41
  can
• 9:41
  understand,
• 9:42
  have
• 9:42
  an
• 9:42
  understanding
• 9:43
  of
• 9:44
  the
• 9:45
  place
• 9:46
  of
• 9:46
  the
• 9:46
  world,
• 9:46
  place
• 9:47
  of
• 9:47
  language,
• 9:48
  place
• 9:48
  of
• 9:49
  expression,
• 9:50
  speaking.
• 9:51
  I
• 9:51
  call
• 9:51
  also
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  logos,
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  speaker
• 9:53
  and
• 9:54
  connected
• 9:54
  in
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  human
• 9:55
  speaking
• 9:56
  where
• 9:56
  language
• 9:57
  come
• 9:57
  from.
• 9:58
  And
• 9:58
  I
• 9:59
  mean
• 9:59
  the
• 9:59
  dynamism
• 10:00
  and
• 10:00
  creativity
• 10:01
  you're
• 10:02
  speaking
• 10:02
  to
• 10:03
  in
• 10:03
  this
• 10:03
  chapter
• 10:04
  is
• 10:05
  a
• 10:06
  radically.
• 10:08
  Well,
• 10:08
  I
• 10:08
  was
• 10:09
  going
• 10:09
  to
• 10:09
  say
• 10:09
  pervasive.
• 10:10
  But
• 10:10
  pervasive
• 10:10
  doesn't
• 10:11
  even
• 10:11
  do
• 10:11
  it
• 10:11
  justice.
• 10:13
  It's
• 10:14
  not
• 10:14
  just
• 10:15
  there
• 10:15
  is
• 10:15
  creation.
• 10:17
  And
• 10:17
  not
• 10:17
  that
• 10:17
  it's
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  one
• 10:18
  time
• 10:19
  event
• 10:19
  as
• 10:19
  in
• 10:20
  some
• 10:21
  of
• 10:21
  the
• 10:21
  theistic
• 10:21
  traditions.
• 10:22
  But
• 10:23
  you
• 10:23
  emphasize
• 10:24
  that
• 10:25
  there
• 10:25
  is
• 10:25
  a
• 10:26
  dynamic
• 10:26
  creativity,
• 10:28
  ongoing
• 10:29
  and
• 10:30
  total.
• 10:31
  It's
• 10:31
  a
• 10:32
  very
• 10:32
  radical
• 10:32
  perspective.
• 10:33
  The
• 10:33
  whole
• 10:34
  universe,
• 10:35
  all
• 10:35
  manifest
• 10:36
  realms
• 10:37
  are
• 10:37
  created
• 10:38
  anew
• 10:39
  in
• 10:39
  each.
• 10:40
  Well,
• 10:41
  it's
• 10:41
  before
• 10:41
  time,
• 10:42
  but
• 10:42
  let's
• 10:42
  say
• 10:42
  each
• 10:43
  instant.
• 10:44
  And
• 10:44
  that
• 10:44
  even
• 10:45
  the
• 10:45
  appearance
• 10:45
  that
• 10:46
  nothing
• 10:46
  persists,
• 10:49
  which
• 10:50
  is
• 10:50
  another
• 10:50
  radical
• 10:51
  implication.
• 10:52
  And
• 10:52
  that
• 10:52
  what
• 10:52
  we
• 10:52
  take
• 10:53
  to
• 10:53
  be
• 10:53
  movement
• 10:54
  is
• 10:54
  not
• 10:54
  something
• 10:55
  in
• 10:55
  time
• 10:56
  actually
• 10:56
  moving
• 10:57
  across
• 10:57
  space,
• 10:58
  but
• 10:58
  a
• 10:59
  continual
• 11:00
  recreation
• 11:01
  of
• 11:02
  a
• 11:02
  facet
• 11:02
  of
• 11:02
  being.
• 11:03
  As
• 11:04
  for
• 11:04
  example
• 11:04
  a
• 11:04
  car
• 11:05
  or
• 11:05
  a
• 11:05
  bird.
• 11:06
  This
• 11:07
  is
• 11:07
  pretty
• 11:07
  mind
• 11:07
  blowing
• 11:09
  in
• 11:09
  something
• 11:10
  mind
• 11:10
  blowing.
• 11:10
  The
• 11:10
  experience
• 11:11
  itself
• 11:12
  is
• 11:12
  beautiful
• 11:14
  and
• 11:14
  profound.
• 11:16
  And
• 11:17
  I
• 11:17
  want
• 11:17
  to
• 11:17
  iterate.
• 11:18
  This
• 11:18
  is
• 11:19
  experience.
• 11:19
  We're
• 11:19
  talking
• 11:19
  about
• 11:20
  experience.
• 11:21
  This
• 11:21
  chapter
• 11:22
  is
• 11:22
  an
• 11:23
  expression
• 11:24
  of
• 11:24
  an
• 11:24
  actual
• 11:24
  experience,
• 11:25
  a
• 11:25
  string
• 11:25
  of
• 11:26
  experience,
• 11:26
  a
• 11:26
  stream
• 11:26
  of
• 11:27
  experiences
• 11:28
  of
• 11:28
  realization.
• 11:29
  But
• 11:30
  when
• 11:30
  people
• 11:30
  talk
• 11:31
  about
• 11:31
  being
• 11:31
  non
• 11:32
  dual,
• 11:33
  do
• 11:33
  they
• 11:33
  really
• 11:33
  understand
• 11:34
  this?
• 11:35
  If
• 11:35
  you
• 11:35
  don't
• 11:36
  understand
• 11:36
  this,
• 11:37
  your
• 11:38
  non
• 11:38
  duality
• 11:38
  is
• 11:39
  incomplete
• 11:41
  because
• 11:41
  nondual
• 11:42
  mean
• 11:42
  nothing
• 11:42
  separate
• 11:43
  from
• 11:43
  anything
• 11:44
  else.
• 11:45
  Well,
• 11:45
  if
• 11:45
  nothing
• 11:46
  separate
• 11:46
  from
• 11:46
  anything
• 11:47
  else,
• 11:47
  then
• 11:48
  how
• 11:48
  do
• 11:49
  birds
• 11:49
  fly?
• 11:50
  How
• 11:50
  do
• 11:51
  cows
• 11:51
  move?
• 11:52
  They're
• 11:52
  not
• 11:52
  separate.
• 11:53
  What
• 11:53
  happens?
• 11:54
  So
• 11:55
  that's
• 11:55
  basically
• 11:56
  here
• 11:57
  we
• 11:57
  talk
• 11:57
  about
• 11:58
  being
• 11:58
  and
• 11:59
  through
• 11:59
  nature.
• 11:59
  We're
• 12:00
  saying
• 12:00
  that
• 12:00
  it
• 12:01
  has
• 12:01
  a
• 12:01
  dynamism
• 12:03
  and
• 12:03
  dynamic
• 12:04
  meaning
• 12:05
  is
• 12:05
  not
• 12:05
  just
• 12:05
  still,
• 12:06
  it
• 12:06
  can't
• 12:06
  be
• 12:06
  still,
• 12:07
  it's
• 12:07
  one
• 12:07
  side
• 12:08
  of
• 12:08
  it,
• 12:08
  the
• 12:08
  other
• 12:08
  side
• 12:09
  of
• 12:09
  it
• 12:09
  is
• 12:09
  alive,
• 12:10
  it's
• 12:10
  dynamic,
• 12:11
  it
• 12:11
  is
• 12:11
  false.
• 12:13
  And
• 12:14
  the
• 12:14
  way
• 12:14
  its
• 12:15
  aliveness
• 12:16
  happens
• 12:17
  is
• 12:17
  it
• 12:18
  is
• 12:18
  constantly
• 12:19
  being
• 12:20
  creative
• 12:20
  of
• 12:21
  everything
• 12:23
  at
• 12:23
  the
• 12:23
  same
• 12:23
  time.
• 12:24
  So
• 12:25
  the
• 12:25
  creativity
• 12:26
  is
• 12:27
  not
• 12:27
  like
• 12:27
  God
• 12:28
  created
• 12:28
  the
• 12:28
  world
• 12:29
  in
• 12:29
  seven
• 12:29
  days
• 12:29
  and
• 12:30
  sat
• 12:31
  down
• 12:31
  to
• 12:31
  rest.
• 12:31
  And
• 12:32
  then
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  world
• 12:33
  goes
• 12:34
  on.
• 12:35
  Or
• 12:35
  even
• 12:36
  scientific
• 12:37
  the
• 12:37
  big
• 12:37
  bang.
• 12:37
  And
• 12:38
  then
• 12:38
  we
• 12:38
  have
• 12:38
  the
• 12:39
  universe
• 12:39
  of
• 12:40
  14
• 12:40
  billion
• 12:41
  years
• 12:41
  old.
• 12:42
  And
• 12:42
  all
• 12:42
  of
• 12:42
  them
• 12:43
  no
• 12:43
  come
• 12:43
  to
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  logos,
• 12:45
  to
• 12:45
  this
• 12:46
  understanding,
• 12:46
  this
• 12:47
  kind
• 12:47
  of
• 12:47
  experience.
• 12:48
  There
• 12:48
  is
• 12:48
  no
• 12:48
  time
• 12:49
  passes
• 12:49
  anything,
• 12:50
  nothing
• 12:50
  old.
• 12:51
  There
• 12:51
  is
• 12:51
  nothing
• 12:51
  that
• 12:52
  is
• 12:52
  created,
• 12:52
  stays
• 12:53
  there,
• 12:53
  being
• 12:54
  created.
• 12:54
  And
• 12:54
  time
• 12:55
  passes
• 12:55
  around.
• 12:56
  Because
• 12:57
  this
• 12:57
  dynamism
• 12:58
  is
• 12:58
  constant,
• 13:00
  never
• 13:01
  stops.
• 13:02
  It
• 13:02
  is
• 13:03
  constantly
• 13:04
  creating
• 13:05
  what
• 13:06
  we
• 13:06
  experience,
• 13:06
  what
• 13:07
  we
• 13:07
  perceive,
• 13:09
  creating
• 13:10
  it
• 13:10
  anew
• 13:11
  each
• 13:11
  instant.
• 13:12
  And
• 13:13
  you
• 13:13
  say
• 13:13
  that
• 13:14
  everything
• 13:14
  is
• 13:14
  recreated
• 13:15
  every
• 13:15
  instant,
• 13:16
  but
• 13:16
  everything
• 13:16
  is
• 13:16
  also
• 13:17
  annihilated
• 13:17
  every
• 13:18
  instant.
• 13:18
  So
• 13:19
  we
• 13:19
  have
• 13:19
  a
• 13:19
  new
• 13:19
  creation
• 13:20
  every
• 13:21
  instant.
• 13:22
  That
• 13:22
  is
• 13:22
  a
• 13:22
  remarkable
• 13:23
  insight.
• 13:24
  And
• 13:24
  changes
• 13:25
  a
• 13:25
  lot.
• 13:26
  Yeah,
• 13:26
  that's
• 13:26
  one
• 13:27
  way
• 13:27
  that
• 13:27
  many
• 13:28
  teachings
• 13:28
  emphasize
• 13:29
  is
• 13:29
  the
• 13:29
  creation
• 13:30
  and
• 13:30
  destruction.
• 13:31
  And
• 13:32
  I
• 13:32
  think
• 13:32
  the
• 13:32
  Hindu
• 13:33
  system
• 13:33
  has
• 13:34
  the
• 13:34
  gods,
• 13:34
  you
• 13:35
  know,
• 13:35
  a
• 13:35
  God
• 13:35
  of
• 13:35
  creation,
• 13:36
  the
• 13:36
  God
• 13:36
  of
• 13:36
  Brahma
• 13:37
  and
• 13:37
  Vishnu,
• 13:38
  you
• 13:38
  know,
• 13:39
  and
• 13:40
  destruction.
• 13:41
  So
• 13:41
  because.
• 13:42
  Yeah,
• 13:42
  I
• 13:42
  mean,
• 13:42
  you
• 13:43
  cannot
• 13:43
  have
• 13:44
  something
• 13:45
  that
• 13:45
  doesn't.
• 13:46
  Doesn't
• 13:47
  persist
• 13:47
  of
• 13:48
  time
• 13:48
  without
• 13:48
  it
• 13:48
  being
• 13:49
  annihilated,
• 13:50
  you
• 13:50
  know,
• 13:51
  annihilated.
• 13:52
  That's
• 13:53
  one
• 13:53
  way
• 13:53
  of
• 13:53
  experiencing.
• 13:54
  In
• 13:54
  fact,
• 13:54
  some
• 13:55
  people
• 13:56
  can
• 13:56
  experience
• 13:56
  it
• 13:57
  that
• 13:57
  way.
• 13:57
  You
• 13:57
  can
• 13:57
  experience
• 13:59
  creation
• 14:00
  and
• 14:00
  you
• 14:00
  can
• 14:00
  experience
• 14:01
  as
• 14:01
  dissolving,
• 14:02
  it's
• 14:02
  disappearing.
• 14:04
  It's
• 14:04
  like
• 14:04
  the
• 14:05
  moment
• 14:05
  is
• 14:05
  created,
• 14:06
  the
• 14:06
  next
• 14:06
  moment
• 14:07
  dissolves,
• 14:08
  or
• 14:08
  a
• 14:08
  new
• 14:09
  creation
• 14:09
  to
• 14:09
  happen
• 14:10
  and
• 14:11
  the
• 14:11
  same
• 14:11
  thing
• 14:12
  is
• 14:12
  recreated,
• 14:13
  but
• 14:14
  sometimes
• 14:15
  recreated
• 14:15
  slightly
• 14:16
  differently.
• 14:18
  And
• 14:18
  the
• 14:18
  continuity
• 14:19
  of
• 14:19
  recreation,
• 14:20
  instant
• 14:21
  by
• 14:21
  instant
• 14:23
  with
• 14:23
  slight
• 14:23
  differentiation,
• 14:25
  will
• 14:25
  basically
• 14:25
  create
• 14:26
  the
• 14:26
  changes
• 14:27
  that
• 14:27
  happen.
• 14:28
  And
• 14:28
  experience,
• 14:30
  which
• 14:30
  is
• 14:30
  my
• 14:31
  writing,
• 14:31
  I
• 14:31
  use
• 14:32
  film,
• 14:33
  a
• 14:33
  movie
• 14:33
  screen,
• 14:34
  how
• 14:35
  the
• 14:36
  film
• 14:36
  is
• 14:36
  always
• 14:37
  changing,
• 14:37
  the
• 14:38
  picture
• 14:38
  is
• 14:38
  always
• 14:38
  changing
• 14:39
  and
• 14:40
  you
• 14:40
  see
• 14:40
  things
• 14:40
  changing,
• 14:41
  people
• 14:41
  moving
• 14:42
  and
• 14:43
  talking.
• 14:44
  But
• 14:44
  in
• 14:44
  reality
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  whole
• 14:46
  screen
• 14:46
  is
• 14:46
  changing
• 14:47
  instant
• 14:47
  to
• 14:47
  instant.
• 14:49
  So
• 14:49
  that's
• 14:50
  a
• 14:50
  good
• 14:50
  metaphor
• 14:51
  to
• 14:51
  understand
• 14:52
  how
• 14:55
  from
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  non
• 14:56
  dual
• 14:56
  perspective,
• 14:58
  how
• 14:58
  the
• 14:58
  world
• 14:58
  appears,
• 14:59
  which
• 15:00
  is
• 15:00
  that
• 15:01
  the
• 15:01
  whole
• 15:02
  world,
• 15:02
  the
• 15:03
  whole
• 15:03
  universe,
• 15:04
  all
• 15:04
  of
• 15:04
  reality,
• 15:05
  all
• 15:05
  of
• 15:05
  the
• 15:06
  forms
• 15:06
  of
• 15:06
  reality
• 15:07
  are
• 15:08
  constantly
• 15:09
  created
• 15:10
  and
• 15:11
  has
• 15:11
  to
• 15:12
  be
• 15:12
  created
• 15:12
  and
• 15:12
  new.
• 15:13
  The
• 15:13
  old
• 15:13
  version
• 15:14
  has
• 15:14
  to
• 15:14
  go,
• 15:15
  you
• 15:15
  see.
• 15:16
  So
• 15:16
  I
• 15:16
  usually
• 15:18
  use
• 15:18
  different
• 15:19
  expression.
• 15:20
  One
• 15:20
  of
• 15:20
  them
• 15:21
  is
• 15:21
  creation
• 15:22
  and
• 15:22
  destruction.
• 15:23
  Creation,
• 15:24
  annihilation.
• 15:25
  Another
• 15:25
  one,
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  call
• 15:26
  it
• 15:26
  replacement.
• 15:29
  Each
• 15:29
  version
• 15:29
  is
• 15:30
  replaced
• 15:30
  by
• 15:30
  the
• 15:31
  next
• 15:32
  version,
• 15:35
  you
• 15:35
  know,
• 15:35
  so
• 15:36
  it
• 15:36
  is
• 15:36
  sometimes
• 15:37
  you
• 15:37
  feel
• 15:37
  like
• 15:37
  what
• 15:38
  my
• 15:38
  body
• 15:38
  and
• 15:39
  my.
• 15:40
  My
• 15:40
  house
• 15:40
  and
• 15:41
  the
• 15:41
  world,
• 15:42
  the
• 15:42
  sea
• 15:43
  is
• 15:43
  being
• 15:43
  replaced
• 15:44
  every
• 15:45
  instant
• 15:46
  by
• 15:46
  a
• 15:46
  new
• 15:47
  virgin.
• 15:48
  And
• 15:48
  the
• 15:48
  new
• 15:48
  version
• 15:50
  has
• 15:50
  similarities
• 15:51
  to
• 15:51
  the
• 15:51
  older
• 15:52
  version.
• 15:52
  Otherwise
• 15:53
  there
• 15:53
  will
• 15:53
  be
• 15:53
  no
• 15:55
  understanding
• 15:56
  of
• 15:56
  movement
• 15:57
  or
• 15:57
  change.
• 16:00
  Just
• 16:00
  like
• 16:00
  it
• 16:00
  happens
• 16:01
  in
• 16:01
  a
• 16:01
  movie.
• 16:02
  You
• 16:02
  see
• 16:03
  a
• 16:03
  horse
• 16:04
  walking
• 16:04
  from
• 16:04
  one
• 16:05
  end
• 16:05
  to
• 16:05
  another.
• 16:05
  It's
• 16:06
  really
• 16:06
  a
• 16:06
  screen
• 16:07
  just
• 16:07
  changes
• 16:08
  from
• 16:08
  instant
• 16:08
  to
• 16:08
  instant
• 16:09
  and
• 16:09
  appear
• 16:10
  to
• 16:10
  us
• 16:10
  as
• 16:10
  a
• 16:10
  horse
• 16:11
  move
• 16:11
  one
• 16:11
  end
• 16:12
  to
• 16:12
  another.
• 16:12
  It's
• 16:13
  very
• 16:13
  similar
• 16:13
  kind
• 16:14
  of
• 16:14
  thing.
• 16:14
  And
• 16:14
  Amit,
• 16:15
  I
• 16:15
  want
• 16:15
  to
• 16:15
  emphasize
• 16:16
  something
• 16:16
  you
• 16:16
  said
• 16:17
  in
• 16:17
  passing
• 16:17
  because
• 16:18
  it
• 16:18
  seems
• 16:19
  to
• 16:19
  me
• 16:19
  a
• 16:19
  really
• 16:19
  important
• 16:20
  point.
• 16:21
  And
• 16:21
  you
• 16:21
  said
• 16:21
  that.
• 16:22
  Well,
• 16:22
  let
• 16:22
  me
• 16:23
  step
• 16:23
  back
• 16:23
  and
• 16:23
  say
• 16:23
  you're
• 16:24
  presenting
• 16:24
  a
• 16:25
  very
• 16:26
  profound
• 16:26
  metaphysics,
• 16:27
  an
• 16:27
  understanding
• 16:28
  of
• 16:28
  the
• 16:28
  nature
• 16:29
  of
• 16:29
  reality
• 16:30
  and
• 16:30
  manifestation,
• 16:32
  creativity,
• 16:33
  change.
• 16:35
  And
• 16:35
  it
• 16:35
  could
• 16:35
  come
• 16:36
  across
• 16:36
  as
• 16:36
  an
• 16:36
  abstract
• 16:37
  metaphysics,
• 16:38
  almost
• 16:38
  speculative.
• 16:39
  But
• 16:40
  you
• 16:40
  made
• 16:41
  the
• 16:41
  point
• 16:41
  that
• 16:42
  this
• 16:42
  comes
• 16:42
  out
• 16:42
  of
• 16:43
  your
• 16:43
  direct
• 16:43
  experience.
• 16:45
  And
• 16:45
  the
• 16:45
  further
• 16:46
  implication
• 16:46
  which
• 16:47
  you've
• 16:47
  implied
• 16:47
  in
• 16:47
  other
• 16:48
  times
• 16:48
  is
• 16:49
  everything
• 16:49
  that
• 16:50
  you're
• 16:50
  presenting
• 16:50
  in
• 16:51
  your
• 16:51
  work
• 16:52
  is
• 16:52
  born
• 16:53
  out
• 16:53
  of
• 16:53
  your
• 16:54
  own
• 16:54
  direct
• 16:54
  experience.
• 16:55
  And
• 16:55
  realization.
• 16:56
  You're
• 16:57
  informed
• 16:58
  and
• 16:58
  enriched
• 16:58
  perhaps
• 16:59
  by
• 16:59
  all
• 16:59
  sorts
• 17:00
  of
• 17:00
  knowledge
• 17:01
  you
• 17:01
  have
• 17:01
  of
• 17:01
  different
• 17:01
  traditions.
• 17:02
  But
• 17:03
  this
• 17:03
  is
• 17:03
  a
• 17:04
  report
• 17:04
  on
• 17:04
  your
• 17:05
  own
• 17:05
  experience,
• 17:05
  effectively.
• 17:07
  A
• 17:07
  good
• 17:07
  point,
• 17:07
  Roger.
• 17:08
  Yeah,
• 17:09
  it
• 17:09
  is.
• 17:09
  I
• 17:10
  mean
• 17:10
  that's,
• 17:11
  I
• 17:11
  mean,
• 17:11
  we
• 17:12
  talk
• 17:12
  about
• 17:12
  spiritual
• 17:13
  teachings.
• 17:13
  That's
• 17:14
  about
• 17:14
  experience,
• 17:15
  immediate,
• 17:16
  direct
• 17:16
  experience.
• 17:17
  And
• 17:17
  it
• 17:18
  is
• 17:18
  one
• 17:18
  way
• 17:18
  of
• 17:18
  experiencing
• 17:20
  through
• 17:20
  nature,
• 17:21
  facet
• 17:22
  or
• 17:23
  property,
• 17:23
  or
• 17:24
  a
• 17:24
  dimension
• 17:25
  of
• 17:25
  true
• 17:25
  nature
• 17:27
  that
• 17:27
  makes
• 17:27
  sense
• 17:28
  to
• 17:28
  our
• 17:28
  world.
• 17:30
  The
• 17:30
  fact
• 17:30
  that
• 17:30
  we
• 17:31
  have
• 17:31
  one
• 17:32
  feeling
• 17:33
  following
• 17:33
  another,
• 17:33
  one
• 17:34
  thought
• 17:34
  of
• 17:34
  how
• 17:34
  did
• 17:35
  that
• 17:35
  happen?
• 17:36
  You
• 17:36
  know,
• 17:36
  if
• 17:37
  it
• 17:37
  is
• 17:37
  not
• 17:37
  happening
• 17:38
  in
• 17:38
  time,
• 17:38
  how
• 17:39
  is
• 17:39
  it
• 17:39
  happening?
• 17:41
  And
• 17:41
  as
• 17:42
  you
• 17:42
  pointed
• 17:42
  out,
• 17:43
  materialists
• 17:44
  and
• 17:45
  conventional,
• 17:45
  for
• 17:46
  example,
• 17:46
  scientists
• 17:47
  come
• 17:47
  up
• 17:48
  with
• 17:48
  very
• 17:49
  sophisticated
• 17:50
  accounts
• 17:51
  of
• 17:51
  causality
• 17:53
  and
• 17:54
  change,
• 17:54
  etc.
• 17:55
  Although
• 17:56
  we
• 17:56
  need
• 17:56
  to
• 17:56
  acknowledge
• 17:57
  that
• 17:57
  change
• 17:57
  remains
• 17:58
  one
• 17:58
  of
• 17:58
  the
• 17:58
  great
• 17:59
  mysteries
• 17:59
  of
• 17:59
  philosophy,
• 18:00
  but
• 18:01
  is
• 18:02
  possible
• 18:02
  to
• 18:02
  come
• 18:02
  up
• 18:03
  with
• 18:03
  explanations
• 18:04
  which
• 18:04
  only
• 18:05
  view
• 18:05
  and
• 18:06
  interpret
• 18:06
  the
• 18:06
  material
• 18:07
  side.
• 18:07
  But
• 18:07
  what
• 18:08
  you're
• 18:08
  offering
• 18:09
  is
• 18:10
  something
• 18:11
  significantly
• 18:12
  deeper.
• 18:13
  You
• 18:13
  have,
• 18:13
  you
• 18:13
  know,
• 18:13
  you
• 18:14
  have,
• 18:14
  you
• 18:14
  did
• 18:15
  your
• 18:15
  doctorate
• 18:16
  in
• 18:17
  physics
• 18:17
  at
• 18:17
  UC
• 18:18
  Berkeley,
• 18:18
  you
• 18:19
  have
• 18:19
  all
• 18:19
  that,
• 18:20
  but
• 18:20
  you're
• 18:21
  introducing
• 18:22
  a
• 18:22
  much
• 18:23
  deeper
• 18:24
  dimension
• 18:25
  of
• 18:25
  direct
• 18:26
  experience
• 18:27
  of
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  absolute
• 18:28
  and
• 18:28
  a
• 18:29
  direct
• 18:30
  experience
• 18:30
  of
• 18:32
  its
• 18:32
  manifestation,
• 18:33
  creativity,
• 18:34
  change,
• 18:34
  and
• 18:34
  the
• 18:35
  principles
• 18:35
  by
• 18:35
  which
• 18:36
  it
• 18:36
  does
• 18:36
  so,
• 18:37
  which
• 18:37
  you
• 18:37
  call
• 18:37
  the
• 18:37
  logos.
• 18:38
  So
• 18:38
  you're
• 18:39
  enriching
• 18:40
  the
• 18:41
  material
• 18:42
  worldview
• 18:43
  and
• 18:43
  understanding
• 18:44
  with
• 18:44
  this
• 18:45
  more
• 18:45
  profound,
• 18:46
  multi
• 18:47
  layered
• 18:47
  recognition
• 18:47
  of
• 18:48
  being.
• 18:49
  Yeah.
• 18:50
  And
• 18:51
  in
• 18:51
  creation,
• 18:51
  not
• 18:51
  just
• 18:52
  the
• 18:52
  physical
• 18:52
  world,
• 18:53
  but
• 18:53
  also
• 18:53
  the
• 18:54
  mental,
• 18:54
  the
• 18:54
  emotional,
• 18:55
  the
• 18:55
  spiritual
• 18:56
  world,
• 18:56
  all
• 18:57
  dimensions
• 18:58
  of
• 18:58
  experience
• 18:58
  are
• 18:59
  all
• 19:00
  being
• 19:00
  created
• 19:01
  and
• 19:01
  recreated,
• 19:03
  created
• 19:03
  anew,
• 19:04
  as
• 19:04
  the
• 19:04
  Sufis
• 19:05
  will
• 19:05
  call
• 19:05
  it.
• 19:06
  New
• 19:06
  creation,
• 19:09
  the
• 19:09
  doctrine
• 19:09
  of
• 19:10
  new
• 19:10
  creation,
• 19:11
  which
• 19:11
  means
• 19:12
  everything
• 19:12
  is
• 19:13
  newly
• 19:13
  created.
• 19:14
  We
• 19:14
  don't
• 19:15
  need
• 19:15
  to
• 19:16
  think
• 19:16
  of
• 19:16
  a
• 19:16
  creator
• 19:17
  because
• 19:17
  the
• 19:17
  Logos
• 19:18
  here
• 19:18
  is
• 19:18
  the
• 19:18
  creator
• 19:19
  of
• 19:19
  some
• 19:19
  senses.
• 19:20
  Is
• 19:20
  the
• 19:20
  creative
• 19:22
  dimension
• 19:23
  of
• 19:23
  our
• 19:24
  spiritual
• 19:25
  nature
• 19:26
  creative?
• 19:26
  Not
• 19:27
  in
• 19:27
  the
• 19:27
  sense
• 19:27
  that
• 19:28
  people
• 19:28
  think,
• 19:28
  oh,
• 19:29
  I'm
• 19:29
  creative,
• 19:29
  I
• 19:29
  could
• 19:30
  be
• 19:30
  an
• 19:30
  artist,
• 19:30
  I
• 19:30
  could
• 19:31
  paint,
• 19:31
  I
• 19:31
  could
• 19:31
  have
• 19:32
  ideas.
• 19:33
  I
• 19:33
  mean,
• 19:34
  that
• 19:34
  also
• 19:34
  comes
• 19:34
  from
• 19:35
  it.
• 19:35
  But
• 19:35
  I'm
• 19:35
  talking
• 19:36
  about
• 19:36
  creativity.
• 19:39
  A
• 19:40
  little
• 19:40
  larger
• 19:40
  perspective.
• 19:41
  I
• 19:41
  remember
• 19:42
  was
• 19:43
  invited
• 19:43
  to
• 19:44
  a
• 19:44
  talk
• 19:44
  by,
• 19:46
  you
• 19:46
  know,
• 19:46
  a
• 19:47
  friend,
• 19:47
  teacher
• 19:48
  who
• 19:48
  teaches
• 19:48
  you,
• 19:49
  who
• 19:49
  teaches
• 19:49
  through
• 19:49
  art,
• 19:50
  painting
• 19:51
  and
• 19:51
  thing.
• 19:51
  And.
• 19:52
  And
• 19:52
  they're
• 19:53
  doing
• 19:53
  all
• 19:53
  their.
• 19:53
  Not
• 19:54
  all,
• 19:54
  you're
• 19:54
  all
• 19:55
  creative,
• 19:55
  but
• 19:56
  creativity
• 19:57
  is
• 19:57
  much
• 19:57
  more
• 19:58
  profound,
• 19:58
  deeper
• 19:59
  that
• 19:59
  not
• 20:00
  only
• 20:00
  your
• 20:00
  brush
• 20:01
  and
• 20:01
  your
• 20:02
  mind
• 20:02
  is
• 20:03
  creating
• 20:03
  you
• 20:04
  yourself
• 20:04
  and
• 20:05
  your
• 20:05
  creativity
• 20:05
  is
• 20:06
  created
• 20:07
  instant
• 20:07
  by
• 20:07
  instant.
• 20:09
  The
• 20:09
  whole
• 20:09
  thing
• 20:10
  is
• 20:10
  being
• 20:10
  created
• 20:11
  and
• 20:11
  not
• 20:11
  by
• 20:12
  you.
• 20:13
  Yeah,
• 20:13
  a
• 20:14
  little
• 20:14
  different
• 20:14
  between
• 20:15
  creating
• 20:15
  a
• 20:16
  painting,
• 20:16
  creating
• 20:16
  a
• 20:17
  universe.
• 20:17
  Yeah.
• 20:18
  So
• 20:19
  creativity
• 20:19
  here
• 20:20
  means
• 20:21
  you
• 20:21
  don't
• 20:22
  need
• 20:22
  to
• 20:22
  be
• 20:23
  a
• 20:23
  creative
• 20:23
  person
• 20:24
  to
• 20:24
  experience
• 20:25
  creativity.
• 20:26
  Does
• 20:27
  creativity
• 20:27
  mean
• 20:28
  generation
• 20:29
  of
• 20:29
  reality?
• 20:30
  That's
• 20:30
  nice.
• 20:31
  Here's
• 20:32
  a
• 20:32
  line
• 20:32
  from
• 20:32
  the
• 20:32
  chapter
• 20:33
  which
• 20:33
  I
• 20:34
  liked.
• 20:34
  It
• 20:34
  says,
• 20:35
  this
• 20:35
  is
• 20:35
  the
• 20:35
  effect
• 20:36
  of
• 20:36
  the
• 20:36
  Dimension
• 20:37
  of
• 20:37
  love
• 20:37
  as
• 20:37
  it
• 20:37
  fills
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  field
• 20:38
  of
• 20:38
  logos,
• 20:39
  giving
• 20:40
  us
• 20:40
  the
• 20:40
  impression
• 20:40
  that
• 20:40
  the
• 20:41
  universe
• 20:41
  is
• 20:41
  unfolding
• 20:42
  as
• 20:42
  the
• 20:42
  action
• 20:43
  of
• 20:43
  love,
• 20:44
  of
• 20:44
  the
• 20:44
  love
• 20:44
  of
• 20:44
  being.
• 20:45
  The
• 20:45
  Logos
• 20:46
  is
• 20:46
  felt
• 20:46
  then
• 20:47
  as
• 20:47
  the
• 20:48
  heart
• 20:48
  of
• 20:48
  God
• 20:48
  and
• 20:49
  we
• 20:49
  are
• 20:50
  all
• 20:50
  its
• 20:50
  inhabitants.
• 20:53
  Yeah,
• 20:53
  that's
• 20:54
  one
• 20:54
  way
• 20:54
  of
• 20:55
  experiencing
• 20:55
  things.
• 20:56
  I
• 20:57
  mean,
• 20:57
  this
• 20:57
  remind
• 20:58
  me
• 20:58
  that
• 20:59
  some
• 21:00
  of
• 21:00
  that
• 21:00
  Veda
• 21:01
  Vedanta
• 21:02
  tradition
• 21:04
  talk
• 21:04
  about
• 21:05
  consciousness
• 21:06
  as
• 21:06
  love
• 21:06
  too.
• 21:07
  And
• 21:08
  everything
• 21:08
  is
• 21:09
  the
• 21:09
  creation
• 21:09
  of
• 21:09
  that
• 21:10
  love.
• 21:10
  That's
• 21:11
  actually
• 21:11
  Advaita
• 21:12
  Vedanta.
• 21:12
  She
• 21:13
  doesn't
• 21:13
  talk
• 21:13
  about
• 21:14
  creativity.
• 21:15
  We
• 21:15
  can
• 21:16
  approach
• 21:16
  this
• 21:16
  question
• 21:17
  creativity
• 21:18
  in
• 21:18
  many
• 21:18
  ways,
• 21:19
  as
• 21:19
  you
• 21:20
  mentioned,
• 21:20
  for
• 21:20
  instance,
• 21:21
  that's
• 21:21
  one
• 21:21
  way,
• 21:22
  one
• 21:23
  thing.
• 21:23
  I
• 21:23
  mean,
• 21:24
  there's
• 21:24
  the
• 21:24
  general
• 21:25
  creativity
• 21:26
  and
• 21:26
  then
• 21:26
  many
• 21:26
  other
• 21:27
  topics,
• 21:28
  subtopics
• 21:29
  like
• 21:29
  question
• 21:29
  of
• 21:30
  free
• 21:30
  will,
• 21:31
  the
• 21:31
  question
• 21:31
  of
• 21:32
  action,
• 21:33
  the
• 21:33
  question
• 21:33
  of
• 21:33
  choice.
• 21:34
  All
• 21:35
  of
• 21:35
  these
• 21:35
  things
• 21:37
  are
• 21:37
  addressed
• 21:37
  here
• 21:38
  from
• 21:39
  a
• 21:39
  non
• 21:39
  dual
• 21:39
  perspective.
• 21:41
  Which
• 21:42
  actually
• 21:42
  the
• 21:42
  chapter
• 21:43
  doesn't
• 21:43
  discuss
• 21:44
  because,
• 21:44
  you
• 21:45
  know,
• 21:45
  it
• 21:45
  would
• 21:45
  have
• 21:45
  been
• 21:46
  longer.
• 21:47
  If
• 21:47
  there
• 21:47
  is
• 21:48
  no
• 21:48
  individual
• 21:49
  that
• 21:50
  have
• 21:50
  their
• 21:51
  own
• 21:51
  creativity.
• 21:52
  What
• 21:52
  does
• 21:53
  it
• 21:53
  mean
• 21:53
  that
• 21:53
  somebody
• 21:54
  make
• 21:54
  a
• 21:54
  choice
• 21:57
  or
• 21:57
  does
• 21:57
  something,
• 21:58
  does
• 21:59
  anybody
• 21:59
  do
• 22:00
  anything?
• 22:02
  That
• 22:02
  is
• 22:03
  one
• 22:03
  thing
• 22:03
  that
• 22:03
  arises
• 22:04
  here.
• 22:05
  I
• 22:05
  remember
• 22:06
  teaching
• 22:07
  about
• 22:07
  this.
• 22:08
  You
• 22:08
  know,
• 22:08
  some
• 22:08
  people
• 22:09
  come
• 22:09
  through
• 22:09
  the
• 22:10
  door
• 22:10
  and
• 22:11
  I
• 22:11
  tell
• 22:11
  the
• 22:11
  person,
• 22:12
  you
• 22:12
  think
• 22:12
  you
• 22:13
  came
• 22:13
  through
• 22:13
  the
• 22:13
  door?
• 22:15
  Actually,
• 22:15
  nobody
• 22:16
  came
• 22:16
  through
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  door.
• 22:18
  You
• 22:18
  just
• 22:18
  emerged
• 22:19
  in
• 22:19
  the
• 22:20
  room.
• 22:23
  Then
• 22:23
  as
• 22:24
  you
• 22:24
  walk,
• 22:24
  you're
• 22:25
  emerging
• 22:25
  instant
• 22:26
  by
• 22:26
  instant.
• 22:27
  So
• 22:27
  nobody
• 22:28
  walks.
• 22:30
  And
• 22:31
  there
• 22:31
  are
• 22:31
  profound
• 22:32
  implications
• 22:32
  here
• 22:33
  for
• 22:34
  perennial
• 22:35
  issues
• 22:35
  like
• 22:36
  free
• 22:36
  will,
• 22:37
  which
• 22:37
  you.
• 22:38
  You
• 22:38
  touch
• 22:39
  on
• 22:39
  here.
• 22:40
  Yeah,
• 22:41
  I
• 22:41
  think
• 22:42
  in
• 22:42
  one
• 22:42
  dimension
• 22:43
  we
• 22:43
  perceive
• 22:43
  it
• 22:44
  ourselves
• 22:45
  as
• 22:45
  having
• 22:45
  free
• 22:46
  will.
• 22:47
  At
• 22:47
  another
• 22:47
  dimension,
• 22:48
  at
• 22:48
  a
• 22:48
  deeper
• 22:48
  dimension,
• 22:49
  there's
• 22:49
  like.
• 22:49
  There's
• 22:50
  only
• 22:50
  one
• 22:50
  movement.
• 22:51
  And
• 22:51
  that's
• 22:51
  the
• 22:52
  universe
• 22:52
  moving
• 22:53
  all
• 22:53
  together
• 22:54
  at
• 22:54
  the
• 22:54
  same
• 22:54
  time.
• 22:55
  And
• 22:56
  what
• 22:56
  we
• 22:56
  perceive
• 22:56
  as
• 22:56
  our
• 22:57
  individual
• 22:57
  selves
• 22:58
  is
• 22:58
  just
• 22:58
  a
• 22:58
  part
• 22:59
  of
• 23:00
  the
• 23:00
  universal
• 23:01
  logos
• 23:02
  creating.
• 23:03
  And
• 23:04
  that
• 23:04
  connects
• 23:04
  everything
• 23:05
  everywhere.
• 23:06
  Talk
• 23:06
  about
• 23:06
  entanglement.
• 23:07
  I
• 23:07
  mean,
• 23:07
  everything
• 23:08
  is
• 23:08
  absolutely
• 23:08
  the
• 23:09
  same
• 23:09
  thing.
• 23:09
  And
• 23:10
  it's
• 23:10
  all
• 23:10
  one
• 23:11
  movement,
• 23:11
  one
• 23:12
  word.
• 23:12
  I
• 23:12
  think
• 23:13
  you
• 23:13
  called
• 23:13
  it
• 23:13
  the
• 23:13
  chapter.
• 23:14
  One
• 23:14
  time,
• 23:16
  one
• 23:16
  movement.
• 23:17
  Each
• 23:18
  instant,
• 23:19
  the
• 23:20
  whole,
• 23:21
  all
• 23:21
  and
• 23:21
  everything
• 23:23
  appears.
• 23:25
  The
• 23:25
  next
• 23:26
  instance,
• 23:27
  it
• 23:27
  reappears
• 23:28
  with
• 23:29
  slight
• 23:29
  modification
• 23:31
  and
• 23:31
  keeps
• 23:31
  reappearing
• 23:32
  with
• 23:32
  slight
• 23:33
  modification.
• 23:34
  And
• 23:35
  if
• 23:35
  you
• 23:35
  look
• 23:36
  at
• 23:36
  the
• 23:36
  different
• 23:37
  modification,
• 23:38
  you
• 23:38
  see
• 23:39
  things
• 23:39
  that
• 23:39
  we
• 23:39
  call
• 23:40
  movement
• 23:40
  and
• 23:41
  change
• 23:41
  and
• 23:41
  transformation.
• 23:43
  But
• 23:43
  they're
• 23:43
  not
• 23:44
  seen
• 23:44
  here
• 23:44
  as
• 23:45
  movement
• 23:46
  of
• 23:46
  change
• 23:46
  and
• 23:46
  transformation.
• 23:48
  So
• 23:48
  when
• 23:48
  we
• 23:48
  realize
• 23:49
  that,
• 23:49
  Hamid,
• 23:50
  what
• 23:50
  does
• 23:50
  that
• 23:50
  do
• 23:51
  to
• 23:51
  the
• 23:51
  individual
• 23:52
  soul?
• 23:53
  When
• 23:53
  we
• 23:54
  realize
• 23:54
  that
• 23:54
  non
• 23:55
  duality
• 23:55
  and
• 23:56
  what
• 23:56
  we
• 23:56
  thought
• 23:57
  of
• 23:57
  as
• 23:57
  something
• 23:57
  is
• 23:57
  actually
• 23:58
  something
• 23:59
  far
• 23:59
  different
• 23:59
  and
• 23:59
  more
• 24:00
  profound.
• 24:01
  Well,
• 24:01
  the
• 24:01
  individual
• 24:02
  soul,
• 24:02
  you
• 24:02
  need
• 24:03
  the
• 24:03
  individual
• 24:03
  soul
• 24:04
  to
• 24:04
  be
• 24:04
  able
• 24:05
  to
• 24:05
  access
• 24:06
  this
• 24:07
  kind
• 24:07
  of
• 24:07
  realization,
• 24:08
  this
• 24:09
  kind
• 24:09
  of
• 24:09
  realm.
• 24:10
  Individual
• 24:11
  soul,
• 24:12
  the
• 24:12
  experiencing
• 24:13
  lens
• 24:14
  needed
• 24:15
  for
• 24:15
  true
• 24:15
  nature
• 24:15
  to
• 24:16
  have
• 24:17
  perception.
• 24:18
  But
• 24:18
  the
• 24:19
  experienced
• 24:19
  soul
• 24:19
  here
• 24:20
  is
• 24:20
  not
• 24:20
  appearing
• 24:21
  as
• 24:21
  an
• 24:21
  individual
• 24:22
  soul.
• 24:22
  Usually
• 24:23
  it
• 24:23
  is
• 24:25
  more
• 24:25
  implicit,
• 24:26
  it's
• 24:26
  implied,
• 24:27
  it
• 24:27
  is
• 24:27
  absorbed.
• 24:29
  And
• 24:29
  because
• 24:29
  in
• 24:29
  this
• 24:30
  experience
• 24:30
  I
• 24:30
  don't
• 24:30
  experience
• 24:30
  myself
• 24:31
  as
• 24:31
  an
• 24:31
  individual,
• 24:32
  I
• 24:33
  experience
• 24:33
  myself
• 24:33
  as
• 24:34
  the
• 24:34
  totality
• 24:35
  or
• 24:35
  as
• 24:36
  the
• 24:36
  source
• 24:36
  of
• 24:36
  the
• 24:36
  totality.
• 24:39
  I
• 24:39
  mean
• 24:39
  the
• 24:39
  way
• 24:40
  all
• 24:40
  non
• 24:41
  dual
• 24:41
  teaching
• 24:41
  talk
• 24:42
  about
• 24:43
  I
• 24:43
  am
• 24:43
  the
• 24:43
  universe,
• 24:44
  they
• 24:44
  say,
• 24:45
  but
• 24:46
  I'm
• 24:46
  the
• 24:46
  universe
• 24:47
  that
• 24:47
  is
• 24:47
  constantly
• 24:48
  changing.
• 24:49
  Since
• 24:50
  we
• 24:50
  brought
• 24:50
  in
• 24:51
  the
• 24:52
  idea
• 24:52
  of
• 24:53
  non
• 24:53
  separation
• 24:55
  and
• 24:56
  that
• 24:56
  there's
• 24:57
  no
• 24:57
  individual
• 24:59
  doer,
• 24:59
  rather
• 25:00
  just
• 25:00
  the
• 25:01
  totality
• 25:02
  or
• 25:02
  being
• 25:03
  or
• 25:03
  true
• 25:03
  nature
• 25:04
  manifesting
• 25:05
  everything.
• 25:06
  And
• 25:06
  that
• 25:06
  that
• 25:07
  undoes
• 25:07
  the
• 25:08
  conventional
• 25:08
  assumptions
• 25:09
  about
• 25:09
  a
• 25:10
  separate
• 25:10
  self
• 25:10
  and
• 25:11
  individual
• 25:12
  choice
• 25:12
  and
• 25:12
  free
• 25:13
  will.
• 25:13
  But
• 25:14
  you
• 25:14
  make
• 25:14
  a
• 25:14
  very
• 25:14
  important
• 25:15
  point,
• 25:16
  Hamid,
• 25:16
  in
• 25:17
  the
• 25:17
  book,
• 25:17
  that
• 25:18
  yes,
• 25:19
  this
• 25:19
  is
• 25:19
  the
• 25:19
  way
• 25:20
  things
• 25:20
  are
• 25:21
  seen
• 25:21
  from
• 25:21
  a
• 25:22
  much
• 25:22
  deeper
• 25:23
  perspective
• 25:24
  can
• 25:24
  arise
• 25:25
  as
• 25:25
  a
• 25:25
  realization
• 25:26
  in
• 25:26
  contemplation,
• 25:27
  et
• 25:27
  cetera.
• 25:28
  But
• 25:28
  it's
• 25:29
  not
• 25:29
  enough
• 25:29
  just
• 25:30
  to
• 25:30
  mouth
• 25:30
  the
• 25:30
  words.
• 25:31
  If
• 25:32
  we
• 25:32
  have
• 25:32
  not
• 25:33
  had
• 25:33
  and
• 25:34
  had
• 25:34
  that
• 25:35
  experience
• 25:35
  for
• 25:35
  ourselves,
• 25:36
  if
• 25:36
  it's
• 25:36
  not
• 25:37
  a
• 25:37
  reality
• 25:37
  for
• 25:37
  us,
• 25:38
  we
• 25:38
  really
• 25:38
  need
• 25:39
  to
• 25:39
  live
• 25:40
  in
• 25:40
  an
• 25:41
  authentic
• 25:41
  way
• 25:42
  which
• 25:43
  honors
• 25:43
  the
• 25:43
  fact
• 25:44
  that
• 25:44
  we
• 25:44
  experience
• 25:45
  ourselves
• 25:45
  as
• 25:45
  separate,
• 25:46
  with
• 25:46
  an
• 25:46
  independent
• 25:47
  will.
• 25:47
  And
• 25:48
  we
• 25:48
  need
• 25:48
  to
• 25:48
  live
• 25:49
  authentically.
• 25:50
  We
• 25:50
  need
• 25:50
  to
• 25:50
  make
• 25:51
  choices
• 25:52
  or
• 25:52
  have
• 25:52
  the
• 25:52
  appearance
• 25:53
  of
• 25:53
  making
• 25:53
  choices
• 25:54
  which
• 25:54
  are
• 25:54
  ethical,
• 25:55
  appropriate,
• 25:56
  skillful,
• 25:57
  compassionate,
• 25:58
  et
• 25:58
  cetera.
• 25:59
  So
• 25:59
  you
• 25:59
  acknowledge
• 26:00
  the
• 26:00
  importance
• 26:01
  of
• 26:01
  both
• 26:01
  perspectives?
• 26:02
  I
• 26:02
  think
• 26:03
  both
• 26:03
  perspectives
• 26:03
  are
• 26:04
  important
• 26:04
  because
• 26:05
  it's
• 26:05
  difficult
• 26:06
  to
• 26:06
  live
• 26:06
  life
• 26:08
  without
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  ordinary
• 26:09
  conventional
• 26:10
  perspective.
• 26:11
  At
• 26:12
  the
• 26:12
  same
• 26:12
  time,
• 26:13
  the
• 26:13
  conventional
• 26:14
  perspective
• 26:14
  is
• 26:14
  only
• 26:15
  one
• 26:15
  perspective
• 26:16
  is
• 26:16
  incomplete
• 26:17
  if
• 26:17
  we
• 26:17
  take
• 26:17
  it
• 26:18
  to
• 26:18
  be
• 26:18
  all
• 26:18
  of
• 26:18
  reality,
• 26:20
  you
• 26:20
  know,
• 26:20
  and
• 26:21
  that
• 26:21
  leaves
• 26:22
  us
• 26:23
  in
• 26:23
  some
• 26:24
  sense
• 26:24
  disconnected
• 26:26
  from
• 26:26
  our
• 26:26
  roots
• 26:28
  and
• 26:29
  as
• 26:29
  a
• 26:29
  result
• 26:30
  empty
• 26:31
  and
• 26:31
  meaningless
• 26:32
  and
• 26:33
  all
• 26:33
  that
• 26:33
  that
• 26:34
  people
• 26:34
  experience.
• 26:35
  But
• 26:36
  people
• 26:36
  talk
• 26:36
  about
• 26:36
  awakening
• 26:37
  as
• 26:37
  recognize
• 26:38
  your
• 26:38
  all
• 26:38
  awareness
• 26:39
  or
• 26:39
  your
• 26:39
  all
• 26:39
  consciousness.
• 26:41
  This
• 26:41
  is
• 26:41
  going
• 26:41
  further.
• 26:43
  Well,
• 26:43
  okay,
• 26:44
  I
• 26:44
  am
• 26:44
  all
• 26:44
  consciousness
• 26:46
  and
• 26:46
  awareness.
• 26:47
  What
• 26:47
  does
• 26:48
  that
• 26:48
  mean
• 26:48
  about
• 26:48
  how
• 26:48
  do
• 26:48
  I
• 26:49
  live?
• 26:49
  Most
• 26:50
  people
• 26:50
  who
• 26:51
  are
• 26:51
  realized
• 26:51
  nondual,
• 26:52
  they
• 26:52
  experience
• 26:52
  themselves
• 26:53
  as
• 26:53
  awareness.
• 26:54
  But
• 26:54
  the
• 26:54
  moment
• 26:55
  something
• 26:55
  needs
• 26:55
  to
• 26:55
  be
• 26:55
  done,
• 26:56
  they
• 26:56
  become
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  usual
• 26:57
  doer,
• 26:59
  which
• 26:59
  is
• 26:59
  one
• 27:00
  way
• 27:00
  ego
• 27:01
  experiences
• 27:01
  itself.
• 27:02
  The
• 27:02
  ego
• 27:03
  is
• 27:03
  experienced
• 27:03
  as
• 27:04
  a
• 27:04
  separate
• 27:04
  self,
• 27:05
  is
• 27:05
  also
• 27:06
  experienced
• 27:06
  as
• 27:06
  a
• 27:06
  separate
• 27:07
  doer.
• 27:08
  So
• 27:08
  this
• 27:09
  dynamism
• 27:10
  shows
• 27:11
  we
• 27:11
  don't
• 27:11
  need
• 27:12
  a
• 27:12
  doer,
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  universe
• 27:14
  does.
• 27:16
  I
• 27:16
  mean
• 27:17
  expression.
• 27:18
  I
• 27:18
  use
• 27:19
  sometime,
• 27:20
  as
• 27:21
  I
• 27:21
  call
• 27:22
  sometime
• 27:23
  the
• 27:24
  source
• 27:24
  or
• 27:25
  the
• 27:25
  dimension
• 27:26
  of
• 27:26
  being.
• 27:27
  I
• 27:27
  call
• 27:27
  it
• 27:27
  who
• 27:28
  that's
• 27:29
  secret
• 27:30
  name,
• 27:30
  God
• 27:30
  who
• 27:31
  hurt.
• 27:32
  Right?
• 27:32
  And
• 27:32
  I
• 27:32
  have
• 27:33
  a
• 27:33
  teaching,
• 27:33
  I
• 27:33
  call
• 27:33
  it
• 27:34
  who
• 27:34
  does,
• 27:36
  okay,
• 27:38
  which
• 27:38
  is
• 27:39
  in
• 27:39
  Christianity
• 27:40
  will
• 27:41
  be
• 27:41
  called
• 27:41
  the
• 27:42
  only
• 27:42
  doer.
• 27:43
  There's
• 27:43
  only
• 27:44
  one
• 27:44
  doer.
• 27:45
  One
• 27:45
  doer
• 27:45
  is
• 27:46
  being
• 27:46
  itself.
• 27:48
  So
• 27:49
  that's
• 27:49
  using
• 27:49
  the
• 27:50
  expression
• 27:50
  doing,
• 27:51
  you
• 27:52
  know.
• 27:52
  But
• 27:53
  really
• 27:53
  from
• 27:53
  this
• 27:54
  perspective,
• 27:54
  there's
• 27:54
  no
• 27:55
  doing
• 27:56
  There
• 27:56
  is
• 27:57
  a
• 27:57
  generation
• 27:58
  of
• 27:58
  appearance
• 28:01
  and
• 28:01
  display
• 28:02
  of
• 28:04
  what
• 28:04
  we
• 28:04
  perceive
• 28:05
  being
• 28:05
  displayed
• 28:06
  instant
• 28:07
  by
• 28:07
  instant.
• 28:08
  And
• 28:08
  an
• 28:08
  outflow,
• 28:10
  a
• 28:10
  luminous
• 28:11
  outflow
• 28:12
  of
• 28:13
  all
• 28:13
  forms
• 28:14
  and
• 28:14
  experiences.
• 28:17
  And
• 28:18
  you're
• 28:19
  converging
• 28:19
  here
• 28:20
  amid
• 28:20
  with
• 28:22
  a
• 28:23
  description
• 28:23
  a
• 28:24
  number
• 28:24
  of
• 28:24
  traditions
• 28:25
  that
• 28:25
  the
• 28:26
  of
• 28:26
  the
• 28:26
  non
• 28:27
  doing.
• 28:27
  I
• 28:28
  think
• 28:28
  of,
• 28:29
  for
• 28:29
  example,
• 28:30
  the
• 28:30
  Wu
• 28:31
  Wei
• 28:31
  of
• 28:32
  the
• 28:32
  Chinese
• 28:33
  tradition.
• 28:33
  Action
• 28:34
  without
• 28:34
  action,
• 28:35
  doing
• 28:35
  without
• 28:36
  doing.
• 28:36
  Or
• 28:37
  Dzogchen
• 28:38
  Spontaneity
• 28:39
  or
• 28:40
  Maestro
• 28:41
  living
• 28:41
  without.
• 28:42
  Why
• 28:43
  just
• 28:43
  a
• 28:43
  spontaneous
• 28:44
  outflow
• 28:45
  of
• 28:46
  non
• 28:46
  intentional
• 28:47
  action.
• 28:48
  But
• 28:48
  you're
• 28:48
  also
• 28:49
  giving
• 28:49
  a
• 28:49
  deeper
• 28:51
  understanding
• 28:51
  of
• 28:52
  the
• 28:53
  fundamental
• 28:54
  ontological
• 28:56
  basis
• 28:57
  on
• 28:58
  which
• 28:59
  spontaneity
• 29:00
  can
• 29:00
  arise.
• 29:01
  Yeah,
• 29:02
  you
• 29:03
  see,
• 29:03
  there
• 29:03
  are
• 29:04
  many
• 29:04
  realizations.
• 29:05
  Non
• 29:05
  dual
• 29:06
  is
• 29:06
  one
• 29:06
  realization.
• 29:07
  First
• 29:07
  of
• 29:08
  all,
• 29:08
  we
• 29:08
  need
• 29:08
  a
• 29:08
  cousin
• 29:09
  in
• 29:09
  many
• 29:09
  of
• 29:09
  the
• 29:10
  realization
• 29:10
  there
• 29:10
  is
• 29:11
  nondual.
• 29:12
  But
• 29:12
  it
• 29:13
  means
• 29:13
  very
• 29:13
  different
• 29:14
  than
• 29:14
  what
• 29:14
  we
• 29:14
  talk
• 29:14
  about.
• 29:15
  As
• 29:16
  one
• 29:16
  realization.
• 29:17
  I
• 29:17
  can
• 29:17
  be
• 29:18
  some
• 29:19
  realization.
• 29:20
  I
• 29:20
  don't
• 29:20
  see
• 29:20
  the
• 29:21
  universe
• 29:21
  being
• 29:21
  created,
• 29:22
  but
• 29:22
  I
• 29:23
  don't
• 29:23
  do
• 29:23
  anything.
• 29:24
  There
• 29:24
  is
• 29:25
  nobody
• 29:25
  there
• 29:25
  to
• 29:25
  do
• 29:25
  anything.
• 29:26
  Things
• 29:26
  are
• 29:27
  just
• 29:27
  happens.
• 29:28
  That's
• 29:28
  a
• 29:28
  different
• 29:29
  realization
• 29:29
  than
• 29:30
  the
• 29:30
  law
• 29:30
  is
• 29:31
  involved,
• 29:31
  but
• 29:31
  is
• 29:32
  implicit.
• 29:32
  It's
• 29:33
  not
• 29:33
  experience
• 29:34
  here.
• 29:34
  We're
• 29:35
  talking
• 29:35
  about
• 29:35
  the
• 29:35
  explicit,
• 29:36
  explicit
• 29:37
  full
• 29:38
  experience,
• 29:39
  complete
• 29:40
  experience
• 29:40
  of
• 29:42
  a
• 29:42
  dynamic
• 29:43
  force
• 29:44
  of
• 29:44
  being.
• 29:45
  And
• 29:45
  dynamic
• 29:46
  force
• 29:46
  is
• 29:47
  a
• 29:47
  creative
• 29:47
  force.
• 29:48
  A
• 29:48
  creative
• 29:49
  force
• 29:49
  means
• 29:50
  generating.
• 29:51
  Generating
• 29:52
  forms
• 29:53
  and
• 29:53
  generating
• 29:54
  appearances.
• 29:55
  Creating
• 29:56
  experience
• 29:57
  and
• 29:58
  generating
• 29:58
  them
• 29:59
  in
• 29:59
  a
• 29:59
  way
• 30:00
  that
• 30:01
  is
• 30:01
  continuous.
• 30:03
  And
• 30:05
  by
• 30:05
  a
• 30:05
  process
• 30:06
  of
• 30:07
  continual
• 30:08
  creation.
• 30:08
  Which
• 30:09
  means
• 30:09
  nothing
• 30:10
  is
• 30:11
  created.
• 30:11
  And
• 30:12
  days
• 30:13
  and
• 30:13
  time,
• 30:14
  everything
• 30:15
  is
• 30:16
  recreated
• 30:17
  in
• 30:18
  some
• 30:18
  sense.
• 30:19
  So
• 30:20
  I
• 30:20
  mean,
• 30:20
  this
• 30:21
  is
• 30:21
  the
• 30:21
  very
• 30:21
  basis
• 30:22
  of
• 30:23
  transitoriness.
• 30:24
  For
• 30:24
  instance,
• 30:25
  teaching
• 30:26
  transitory.
• 30:27
  This
• 30:27
  is
• 30:27
  obvious.
• 30:28
  Everything
• 30:28
  is
• 30:29
  transitory.
• 30:31
  Hold
• 30:31
  on
• 30:31
  to
• 30:31
  something.
• 30:32
  Holding
• 30:32
  on
• 30:32
  to
• 30:33
  something
• 30:33
  means
• 30:34
  you're
• 30:34
  somebody
• 30:35
  holding
• 30:35
  on
• 30:35
  to
• 30:35
  something
• 30:36
  that
• 30:36
  you
• 30:36
  believe
• 30:36
  persists
• 30:37
  in
• 30:37
  time.
• 30:38
  So
• 30:38
  all
• 30:38
  delusion,
• 30:39
  there's
• 30:39
  no
• 30:39
  such
• 30:40
  thing.
• 30:40
  There's
• 30:41
  no
• 30:41
  you
• 30:41
  to
• 30:42
  hold
• 30:42
  on
• 30:42
  to
• 30:42
  something.
• 30:42
  And
• 30:43
  there's
• 30:43
  nothing
• 30:43
  there
• 30:43
  to
• 30:43
  hold
• 30:44
  on
• 30:44
  to.
• 30:44
  Because
• 30:44
  always
• 30:45
  of
• 30:45
  its
• 30:46
  very
• 30:46
  nature
• 30:46
  is
• 30:47
  always
• 30:47
  changing
• 30:47
  anyway.
• 30:48
  Well,
• 30:49
  there
• 30:49
  does
• 30:49
  seem
• 30:50
  to
• 30:50
  be.
• 30:50
  I'm
• 30:51
  trying
• 30:51
  to
• 30:51
  understand
• 30:51
  this,
• 30:51
  Hamid.
• 30:52
  There
• 30:52
  is
• 30:53
  an
• 30:53
  individual
• 30:53
  soul,
• 30:54
  an
• 30:54
  individual
• 30:55
  self
• 30:55
  that
• 30:55
  we
• 30:55
  experience
• 30:56
  as
• 30:56
  such.
• 30:57
  But
• 30:58
  the
• 30:58
  fallacy
• 30:59
  comes
• 30:59
  when
• 30:59
  we
• 30:59
  think
• 31:00
  we're
• 31:00
  a
• 31:00
  disconnected
• 31:01
  soul
• 31:02
  or
• 31:02
  disconnected
• 31:03
  self.
• 31:04
  That
• 31:04
  we're
• 31:04
  cut
• 31:04
  off
• 31:05
  from
• 31:05
  everything.
• 31:05
  But
• 31:06
  we
• 31:06
  still
• 31:07
  continue
• 31:07
  to
• 31:08
  function
• 31:08
  as
• 31:08
  all
• 31:08
  these
• 31:09
  individual
• 31:09
  eyes
• 31:10
  that
• 31:10
  are
• 31:10
  perceiving
• 31:10
  the
• 31:11
  universe.
• 31:11
  And
• 31:12
  being
• 31:12
  acted
• 31:12
  through
• 31:13
  or
• 31:13
  playing
• 31:13
  our
• 31:13
  role.
• 31:14
  So
• 31:14
  how.
• 31:16
  Anyway,
• 31:17
  to
• 31:17
  me
• 31:17
  that's
• 31:17
  a
• 31:17
  great
• 31:18
  mystery.
• 31:18
  But
• 31:18
  I
• 31:18
  kind
• 31:18
  of
• 31:19
  feel
• 31:19
  my
• 31:19
  way
• 31:19
  into
• 31:19
  that.
• 31:20
  Yeah,
• 31:21
  I
• 31:21
  mean,
• 31:22
  we
• 31:22
  are
• 31:22
  each
• 31:23
  individual
• 31:23
  soul.
• 31:25
  But
• 31:25
  each
• 31:26
  soul
• 31:26
  is
• 31:26
  like
• 31:26
  a
• 31:27
  wave
• 31:27
  in
• 31:27
  this
• 31:27
  ocean
• 31:29
  or
• 31:29
  a
• 31:29
  ripple
• 31:30
  in
• 31:30
  this
• 31:30
  ocean.
• 31:31
  That
• 31:32
  is
• 31:32
  also
• 31:33
  part
• 31:34
  of
• 31:34
  what's
• 31:34
  being
• 31:35
  created,
• 31:35
  recreated.
• 31:37
  And
• 31:37
  what
• 31:38
  is
• 31:38
  soul
• 31:39
  it
• 31:39
  created
• 31:39
  recreated
• 31:41
  as
• 31:42
  I
• 31:43
  or
• 31:43
  the
• 31:44
  Organ
• 31:44
  of
• 31:44
  perception,
• 31:45
  of
• 31:45
  seeing,
• 31:46
  knowing
• 31:47
  how
• 31:48
  being
• 31:48
  is
• 31:49
  work,
• 31:49
  works,
• 31:50
  how
• 31:50
  being
• 31:50
  is
• 31:50
  manifesting.
• 31:53
  So
• 31:54
  because
• 31:55
  the
• 31:55
  experience
• 31:56
  of
• 31:57
  new
• 31:57
  creation
• 31:58
  is
• 31:58
  always
• 31:58
  an
• 31:58
  experience
• 31:59
  of
• 31:59
  somebody,
• 32:00
  right?
• 32:02
  You
• 32:02
  could
• 32:02
  say,
• 32:03
  I
• 32:03
  mean,
• 32:03
  everything
• 32:04
  always
• 32:04
  recreated
• 32:05
  instant
• 32:06
  by
• 32:06
  instant.
• 32:07
  It
• 32:07
  is
• 32:07
  true,
• 32:08
  but
• 32:08
  if
• 32:08
  you
• 32:08
  do
• 32:08
  that,
• 32:09
  it's
• 32:09
  abstract,
• 32:10
  but
• 32:11
  it
• 32:11
  is
• 32:11
  really
• 32:12
  an
• 32:12
  individual
• 32:13
  experience,
• 32:15
  like
• 32:15
  it's
• 32:15
  my
• 32:16
  experience
• 32:16
  or
• 32:16
  your
• 32:16
  experience
• 32:17
  or
• 32:18
  some
• 32:18
  lama's
• 32:19
  experience.
• 32:20
  So
• 32:21
  that
• 32:22
  shows
• 32:23
  that
• 32:23
  the
• 32:23
  soul
• 32:23
  is
• 32:24
  important.
• 32:24
  Without
• 32:25
  the
• 32:25
  individual,
• 32:25
  there
• 32:26
  is
• 32:26
  no
• 32:27
  experience
• 32:27
  of
• 32:28
  any
• 32:28
  kind,
• 32:28
  creation
• 32:29
  or
• 32:29
  know
• 32:30
  of
• 32:30
  anything.
• 32:31
  There
• 32:31
  has
• 32:31
  to
• 32:31
  be
• 32:32
  an
• 32:32
  individual.
• 32:33
  So
• 32:33
  that's
• 32:33
  why
• 32:33
  I
• 32:34
  always
• 32:35
  wonder
• 32:35
  why
• 32:36
  those
• 32:36
  people
• 32:36
  talking
• 32:37
  about
• 32:37
  individual
• 32:38
  being
• 32:38
  an
• 32:39
  illusion?
• 32:39
  There
• 32:40
  is
• 32:40
  not
• 32:40
  an
• 32:40
  illusion.
• 32:42
  The
• 32:42
  logos
• 32:43
  manifest
• 32:44
  creates
• 32:45
  out
• 32:45
  of
• 32:45
  itself
• 32:47
  organs
• 32:48
  of
• 32:48
  perception
• 32:49
  and
• 32:49
  action
• 32:50
  that
• 32:51
  are
• 32:51
  expression
• 32:52
  of
• 32:52
  itself,
• 32:53
  that
• 32:53
  are
• 32:54
  real
• 32:54
  and
• 32:54
  alive
• 32:54
  and
• 32:55
  as
• 32:55
  real
• 32:55
  and
• 32:55
  dynamic
• 32:56
  as
• 32:56
  itself.
• 32:58
  So
• 32:58
  the
• 32:58
  soul
• 32:58
  is
• 32:59
  very
• 32:59
  similar
• 32:59
  to
• 32:59
  the
• 33:00
  logos
• 33:00
  actually,
• 33:01
  because
• 33:01
  it
• 33:01
  has
• 33:02
  that
• 33:02
  sense
• 33:02
  of
• 33:02
  flow
• 33:03
  and
• 33:03
  dynamism,
• 33:04
  creativity,
• 33:05
  things
• 33:05
  changing
• 33:05
  and
• 33:06
  moving.
• 33:07
  Habeed
• 33:07
  is
• 33:07
  it
• 33:08
  similar
• 33:08
  as
• 33:09
  they
• 33:09
  talk
• 33:09
  about
• 33:10
  in
• 33:10
  quantum
• 33:11
  physics,
• 33:11
  that
• 33:11
  something
• 33:12
  can
• 33:12
  be
• 33:12
  a
• 33:12
  particle,
• 33:13
  appear
• 33:13
  to
• 33:14
  be
• 33:14
  an
• 33:14
  individual
• 33:14
  entity
• 33:15
  and
• 33:16
  a
• 33:16
  wave
• 33:16
  that
• 33:16
  extends
• 33:17
  into
• 33:18
  infinity
• 33:18
  depending
• 33:19
  on
• 33:19
  how
• 33:21
  you
• 33:21
  perceive
• 33:21
  it
• 33:22
  or
• 33:22
  how
• 33:22
  you
• 33:22
  look
• 33:22
  at
• 33:22
  it.
• 33:23
  Is
• 33:23
  that
• 33:23
  a
• 33:23
  good
• 33:23
  metaphor
• 33:24
  to
• 33:24
  help
• 33:25
  us
• 33:25
  kind
• 33:25
  of
• 33:26
  understand
• 33:26
  this?
• 33:27
  Stay
• 33:28
  tuned
• 33:28
  for
• 33:28
  part
• 33:28
  two
• 33:29
  of
• 33:29
  this
• 33:29
  three
• 33:29
  part
• 33:29
  dialogue
• 33:30
  in
• 33:30
  which
• 33:30
  we
• 33:31
  continue
• 33:31
  to
• 33:31
  explore
• 33:32
  the
• 33:32
  logos
• 33:32
  and
• 33:33
  the
• 33:33
  creative
• 33:33
  dynamism
• 33:34
  of
• 33:34
  true
• 33:34
  nature.
• 33:35
  Thank
• 33:36
  you
• 33:36
  very
• 33:36
  much
• 33:37
  for
• 33:37
  being
• 33:37
  a
• 33:37
  part
• 33:37
  of
• 33:38
  this
• 33:38
  conversation.
• 33:39
  We
• 33:39
  hope
• 33:39
  that
• 33:39
  you
• 33:40
  were
• 33:40
  moved,
• 33:40
  as
• 33:40
  we
• 33:41
  are
• 33:41
  moved,
• 33:41
  being
• 33:42
  part
• 33:42
  of
• 33:42
  it
• 33:42
  ourselves.
• 33:43
  We'd
• 33:43
  also
• 33:44
  like
• 33:44
  to
• 33:44
  say
• 33:44
  that
• 33:44
  this
• 33:45
  is
• 33:45
  being
• 33:45
  funded
• 33:46
  by
• 33:46
  Roger
• 33:46
  and
• 33:46
  myself.
• 33:47
  It
• 33:47
  comes
• 33:47
  out
• 33:47
  of
• 33:47
  our
• 33:47
  pockets.
• 33:48
  So
• 33:48
  if
• 33:48
  you
• 33:48
  would
• 33:48
  like
• 33:49
  to
• 33:49
  help
• 33:49
  us
• 33:49
  to
• 33:50
  mainly
• 33:51
  to
• 33:51
  get
• 33:51
  this
• 33:51
  podcast
• 33:52
  out
• 33:52
  to
• 33:52
  more
• 33:52
  people
• 33:53
  because
• 33:53
  the
• 33:53
  bigger
• 33:53
  audience
• 33:54
  have
• 33:54
  which
• 33:54
  is
• 33:54
  steadily
• 33:55
  growing,
• 33:55
  but
• 33:55
  the
• 33:55
  more
• 33:56
  people
• 33:56
  we
• 33:56
  can
• 33:56
  reach
• 33:56
  and
• 33:57
  the
• 33:57
  more
• 33:57
  marketing
• 33:57
  we
• 33:57
  can
• 33:58
  do,
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  more
• 33:58
  positive
• 33:59
  effect
• 33:59
  we
• 34:00
  can
• 34:00
  have
• 34:00
  on
• 34:00
  the
• 34:00
  world.
• 34:01
  So
• 34:01
  we've
• 34:01
  done
• 34:01
  a
• 34:01
  couple
• 34:02
  of
• 34:02
  ways.
• 34:02
  But
• 34:02
  we'd
• 34:02
  like
• 34:02
  you
• 34:03
  to
• 34:03
  buy
• 34:03
  us
• 34:03
  a
• 34:03
  cup
• 34:04
  of
• 34:04
  coffee.
• 34:04
  Very
• 34:04
  simple.
• 34:05
  And
• 34:05
  I
• 34:05
  do
• 34:05
  that
• 34:05
  with
• 34:06
  podcasts
• 34:07
  that
• 34:07
  I
• 34:07
  support
• 34:08
  and
• 34:08
  I
• 34:08
  find
• 34:09
  it's
• 34:09
  very
• 34:09
  satisfying.
• 34:10
  So
• 34:10
  thank
• 34:10
  you
• 34:10
  for
• 34:11
  your
• 34:11
  help,
• 34:11
  thank
• 34:11
  you
• 34:12
  for
• 34:12
  your
• 34:12
  presence
• 34:12
  and
• 34:12
  thank
• 34:13
  you
• 34:13
  for
• 34:13
  all
• 34:13
  you
• 34:14
  are
• 34:14
  and
• 34:14
  all
• 34:14
  you
• 34:14
  do.
• 34:15
  We
• 34:15
  love
• 34:15
  you.
• 34:37
  Sam.