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Still Unanswered- Gordon “Gordy” Page Jr.: Vanished from Grand Rapids · Still Unanswered

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SPEAKER_00: Teresa Michaels has spent more than three decades in real estate and pioneered the real estate niche now known as crime and stigmatized properties.
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SPEAKER_00: Homes connected to the tragedy and circumstances far outside the ordinary.
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SPEAKER_00: Her work has taken her beyond the properties themselves into the stories of the people and events connected to them.
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SPEAKER_00: David Zarza is a Seattle-based psychic medium and intuitive life coach, as well as a published author.
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SPEAKER_00: For decades, his work has been rooted in intuition, connection, and insight, helping individuals and families navigate questions, transitions, and circumstances in their lives.
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SPEAKER_00: Teresa and David first met more than a decade ago when David appeared on Teresa's television series, Twisted and Listed.
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SPEAKER_00: Their backgrounds couldn't be more different, but what began as an unexpected meeting became a lasting friendship.
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SPEAKER_00: Despite their very different perspectives, they share a genuine desire to help the people and families they work with.
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SPEAKER_00: Still unanswered grew from that friendship.
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SPEAKER_00: For each case, David is given only the subject's name, date of birth, and photograph.
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SPEAKER_00: Teresa researches the case independently.
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SPEAKER_00: When they come together, David has no knowledge of what Teresa has uncovered.
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SPEAKER_00: Together, they examine what connects, what doesn't, and what may still be waiting to be uncovered.
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SPEAKER_00: Still Unanswered explores real unsolved cases through documented research, discussion, and intuitive interpretation.
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SPEAKER_00: David's impressions are personal perceptions and are not presented as fact or evidence.
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SPEAKER_00: Nothing discussed should be interpreted as an accusation or determination of guilt.
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SPEAKER_00: This program is presented for informational, educational, and entertainment purposes.
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SPEAKER_00: Some stories end, some questions don't.
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SPEAKER_00: This is Still Unanswered.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Still Unanswered.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm Teresa Michaels, and I'm here with my co-host and friend, Intuitive Medium, David Zarza.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi everyone.
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SPEAKER_01: As always, David knows virtually nothing about the cases that we're covering today.
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SPEAKER_01: Before his reading, the only information he's been given is a name, a date of birth, and a photograph.
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SPEAKER_01: He's done his intuitive read, and I've done the research.
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SPEAKER_01: And neither of us know where these two things are going to meet.
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SPEAKER_01: And we don't expect you to believe everything you hear.
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SPEAKER_01: We only ask that you listen with an open mind, consider the facts, and decide for yourself.
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SPEAKER_01: Today's case is Gordon Page Jr., or Gordy, as his family called him.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi, David.
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SPEAKER_01: Why don't you uh let us know what you're connecting with?
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SPEAKER_02: Hi, Teresa.
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SPEAKER_02: Of course, of course.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm actually gonna have you say his name one more time because I followed the vibration of the name.
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SPEAKER_02: So if you could one more time, please.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's Gordon or Gordy Page Jr.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's take a look.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So the first thing that I feel immediately is around my head like noise.
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SPEAKER_02: Noisiness.
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SPEAKER_02: Constant thoughts, racing thoughts.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
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SPEAKER_02: With this person, I keep feeling Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know the name of this feeling, but I know it is a feeling.
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SPEAKER_02: Have you ever been like when you were a kid, did you ever like wait for like let's say a parent or friend, but they didn't arrive?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: What is that feeling called?
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SPEAKER_01: Like the anticipation of waiting for someone?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like anticipation, but disappointment because you're left you're left there, like alone.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's what I keep feeling from this person, from this, from Gordy.
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SPEAKER_02: I keep feeling like I'm waiting for someone, but they're not coming.
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SPEAKER_02: Disappointment, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me see if I let me see if I can get more information.
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SPEAKER_02: There is a different feeling when a spir uh when a person or spirit shows up.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, like for instance, if it's a live person, they feel different.
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SPEAKER_02: If it's a spirit person, like deceased person, they feel different.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, this person feels deceased.
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SPEAKER_02: Um This is interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: I think I see him.
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SPEAKER_02: He looks really tall.
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SPEAKER_02: His hair's a little wild.
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SPEAKER_02: He looks slender to me.
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SPEAKER_02: Like Lanky.
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SPEAKER_02: I would call him Lanky.
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SPEAKER_02: Like the kind that someone would say he was all elbows and knees, you know?
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
5:52
SPEAKER_02: Um I keep approaching him.
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SPEAKER_02: And just so just so people know what I mean, when I engage with a spirit, it's like I go to this place with my consciousness, and then I meet a spirit there.
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SPEAKER_02: And that spirit can then take me to places, can show me different things, can make me feel certain sensations or feelings.
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SPEAKER_02: I call it like the white room because it's blank.
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SPEAKER_02: At first, it's blank when we're interacting, and I see him here.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm talking to him, I'm asking him questions like, How are you?
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SPEAKER_02: What are you doing?
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SPEAKER_02: And it's like it's like he's almost like tapping his fingertips together, counting the letters and the words that I speak.
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SPEAKER_02: It's kind of interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: His mind feels organized but chaotic, like repetitive but chaotic.
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SPEAKER_01: David, do you have a sense of age?
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SPEAKER_01: Is he younger or older?
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SPEAKER_02: At the moment, the way he's showing up.
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SPEAKER_02: Because there's qualities about him that remind me of one of my friends.
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SPEAKER_02: His name is Steve.
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SPEAKER_02: Steve is 61, 62, so it feels like he's around that age, 60, 60-ish.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, he has like a young face, but I can tell that he's mature.
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SPEAKER_02: He's not a child, he's not a teen, he's not a young adult.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: He says, This is interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: Like one of the previous cases that we had, he says his mother is, he says his mother.
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SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I misunderstood.
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SPEAKER_02: His mother is here in this world, our world, still alive, I believe.
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SPEAKER_02: And he says his father is here with him.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, David, when you connect with someone, like when you're determining age, is it the age they would be?
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SPEAKER_01: Does age stop when they pass away?
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SPEAKER_01: Or is so if someone was 13 when they died, they stayed 13 when you connect with them, or do they age on the other side?
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SPEAKER_02: Uh it is the second, it is the second one.
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SPEAKER_02: So so they they don't stay.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, sorry, let me clarify.
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SPEAKER_02: Spirits show up usually at a preferred age.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, they can show up in any form that they wish.
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SPEAKER_02: Often it's a form at which they felt the best or they like life the most.
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SPEAKER_02: Um he, because I asked how old you're how old are you now, or how old will you be now?
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SPEAKER_02: He showed me this form, and this form feels like 60-ish.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh is he able to say how old he was when he passed?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let me see.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: It's so interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: His emotions are strange.
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SPEAKER_02: Like he has this this sorrow, this longing.
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SPEAKER_02: By any chance, did he have a sibling, a male sibling, possibly just the one?
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SPEAKER_02: Like they were just the two?
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SPEAKER_01: I believe he I believe he did have siblings.
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SPEAKER_01: I think he had two, but I will confirm that with you.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh got it.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I keep feeling I keep feeling like this would have been older brother.
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SPEAKER_02: Like he felt either protected or looked after by brother.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me ask him to show me how he passed.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
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SPEAKER_02: This is sad.
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SPEAKER_02: He's showing me, I think he was homeless.
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SPEAKER_02: Or he became homeless.
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SPEAKER_02: Because it feels like he's showing me these really fast, these scenes of like sleeping outdoors, like in the cold night, but sometimes taken in by like other people, and then also other other moments like being in in groups of people, but like outside.
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SPEAKER_02: This is this is a little strange.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not familiar with this type of living.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I will let you know, David, that he did have two brothers.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, two brothers.
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SPEAKER_01: Gordy was yeah, Gordy was the oldest, and he had two younger brothers, Lance and Todd.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, okay.
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SPEAKER_01: You were correct, you were correct on that.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh and his father has passed away as well.
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SPEAKER_02: Got it.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me try interacting with Father.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, so this is Gordon Page Jr.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm assuming his father was Gordon Page Sr., right?
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SPEAKER_01: That is that is correct.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: You know what's weird?
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SPEAKER_02: I know his name is Gordy because you've mentioned it before, but I keep feeling I keep wanting to call him Tommy.
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SPEAKER_02: It's really wild.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, so when I asked father, his father's disappointed.
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SPEAKER_02: His father is upset, he has regrets.
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SPEAKER_02: He feels like he let his son down for some reason.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me see if he can tell me why.
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SPEAKER_01: David, could you could you just back up for me for just a second?
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SPEAKER_01: What did you mention that you said you you came up with a nickname?
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SPEAKER_01: Can you repeat that for me?
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SPEAKER_02: I was saying that I know I know you called him Gordy, but I keep wanting to call him Tommy.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, his middle name was Thomas.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So that may be the connection that you're picking up on.
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SPEAKER_02: Here's what I'm feeling.
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SPEAKER_02: I have a feeling he might have been, he might have told people that his name was Tommy.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and I'll tell you why I'm saying that.
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SPEAKER_02: Because it feels like in these scenes, like where he's homeless, where he doesn't have a place, he doesn't have like a place to go to, he feels lost.
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SPEAKER_02: But it feels like people know him not by Gordy, not by Gordon.
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SPEAKER_02: And this is where I I feel like other people may have called him Tommy, like repeatedly.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, when I go back to father, his heart was heavy when he passed away.
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SPEAKER_02: It's full of regret.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like a it's like a sadness.
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SPEAKER_02: He had a full life, it feels like, but it's but his heart was full of regret when he passed.
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SPEAKER_02: And what I've noticed is that when people pass away and they have emotions that they haven't fully processed or digested, um, they end up keeping them.
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SPEAKER_02: Because you know, emotions are like part energy, part physical.
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SPEAKER_02: That's why you feel like sadness, and then your body physically reacts with like tears or frowning, you know, drooping.
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SPEAKER_02: Um emotions are part energy, part physical.
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SPEAKER_02: And when you don't longer have a physical body, they stay as energy.
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SPEAKER_02: So the sad part is that you can't really do anything about the emotions when they're like really big.
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SPEAKER_02: But something that some spirits do is they use their loved ones who are still here to sort of like discharge the emotions through them.
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SPEAKER_02: That's why when you're like uh grieving someone who's passed away, there might be a day where you feel like back to your normal self, but then out of the blue, you're hit with like a wave of feelings or emotions.
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SPEAKER_02: Sometimes those may not all be yours, they may be from your loved one who passed away who's discharging through you.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh wow, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: But coming back to Gordon, he's saying that he abandoned his son.
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SPEAKER_01: Gordon Sr.
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SPEAKER_01: Is that what you're saying?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he says, he says we waited a long time.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm gonna call him Tommy, okay?
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SPEAKER_02: I know it's I know it's Gordy.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna call him Tommy.
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SPEAKER_02: The father says that Tommy had some health problems.
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SPEAKER_02: That he was like trying to, he and his wife were trying to get him help for years.
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SPEAKER_02: Feels like a mystery illness that was like haunting him throughout his entire life, and it may have affected like how Tommy developed.
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SPEAKER_02: So I don't know if he had like weird misshapen jaw as he got older, or like bone issues or connective tissue issues, because I keep feeling like it's and severe anxiety, like he's constantly nervous, and he has these OCD tendencies, like repeating things, repeating things, and collecting things.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, did he collect anything in particular?
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SPEAKER_02: Let me check.
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SPEAKER_02: He says yes, he still does.
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SPEAKER_02: They look like posters, they're like pictures of people.
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SPEAKER_02: I think these are sports people.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's like a bunch of you showing me like a bunch of rectangles in my mind, and it's like these yeah, these athletes.
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SPEAKER_01: Like cards?
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SPEAKER_02: Cards?
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SPEAKER_02: Let me see.
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SPEAKER_02: He says, Yes, it was cards, but they're big in his mind.
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SPEAKER_02: Like they might have been cards, but it's like in his mind they were organized, like in walls of files, and he's particular with numbers.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, I still keep him, like every time I talk and he's around, Tommy, it's like I see him tap his fingers, like he's counting the letters and the spaces between the words, and then it's like it's pleasant when it comes to like an even or an odd number, but it depends.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm actually wondering if he has a developmental issue because this feels like intense.
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SPEAKER_02: This OCD stuff feels intense.
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SPEAKER_01: So that doesn't change on the other side, David.
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SPEAKER_01: If someone had uh a deformity or a mental health issue or something um that was fundamental in their life, that also plays out on the other side.
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SPEAKER_02: Like let's say somebody was born without arms, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And and they passed away, um their energetic arms were always there.
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SPEAKER_02: So they might appear whole to someone who can see spirits, okay?
18:26
SPEAKER_02: But because of how our minds work, if their whole, like intact spirit were to show up with to somebody that they knew, and they knew them without arms, they would likely perceive them without arms.
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SPEAKER_01: I see.
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SPEAKER_02: And so our minds will see what they interpret based on what based on what we knew.
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SPEAKER_02: Tommy says he got lost.
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SPEAKER_02: And he just wanted to he wanted to get back to his family.
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SPEAKER_02: So this makes sense from what his father said.
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SPEAKER_02: His father said he abandoned him.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Tommy said he got lost.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm hoping this isn't true.
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SPEAKER_02: But it feels like father or parents, they loved him and the other brothers.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, they loved them.
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SPEAKER_02: But there was something going on with Tommy that that felt like too much, or felt like we can't handle this.
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SPEAKER_02: And so it feels like they drop him off at this the way he's showing it to me, it's like a hospital park.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like there's there's grounds, you know, like greenery, trees, plants, lawns, and it feels like it's a hospital at the same time.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's confusing.
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SPEAKER_02: Because it feels like he's out in the cold, but also there's a hosp there's a hospital or medical place here.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that may be confusion in Tommy.
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SPEAKER_02: Because he feels like he was just thrown away, but he was told this was for his good.
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SPEAKER_02: And it feels like he ignores everybody who talks to him here.
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SPEAKER_02: Like he doesn't care.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like he doesn't even want to interact.
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SPEAKER_02: And he's just obsessively thinking about family.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, where's my family?
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SPEAKER_02: When can I go see my family?
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SPEAKER_02: Like it's obsessive.
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SPEAKER_02: And then it feels like he's creative.
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SPEAKER_02: Feels like he keeps trying to find ways of finding his family, but none of them can happen, or none of them end up happening.
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SPEAKER_02: Or um, it looks like calling is limited.
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SPEAKER_02: It looks like it does happen, it has happened.
21:42
SPEAKER_02: But no, it feels like he wants to leave this place.
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SPEAKER_02: Like if I could paint you a picture, it feels like it's a large park with like a hospital or something on it.
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SPEAKER_02: It doesn't look like there's gates, but he feels Trapped here.
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SPEAKER_02: But at the same time, he can walk outside and he can venture out pretty far.
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SPEAKER_02: But he still feels trapped here.
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SPEAKER_02: Until one day he says he just keeps walking.
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SPEAKER_02: And he walks away and he leaves his park.
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SPEAKER_01: And where is he where so he leaves?
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SPEAKER_01: Do we know?
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Does he just he just walks out the front door?
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SPEAKER_01: Is there anything around around when he left?
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SPEAKER_01: Because if he's like assuming that he's in a hospital kind of environment or some sort of maybe medical facility, did they know he left?
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SPEAKER_01: Or did he leave on his own accord?
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SPEAKER_02: No, he knows they would know.
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SPEAKER_02: He doesn't know if they do know.
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SPEAKER_02: This is weird.
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SPEAKER_02: He feels like they would know if he was gone, but he doesn't want to know that they know he is gone.
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SPEAKER_02: He just leaves.
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SPEAKER_02: He just walked away.
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SPEAKER_02: He's smart.
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SPEAKER_02: He's kind of clever, but he's weird.
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SPEAKER_02: His mind works weird.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, I almost feel David kind of like a little bit of a younger spirit of a kid, maybe a little mischievous, a little like I'm gonna figure out how to work the system.
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SPEAKER_01: And is that kind of what you're picking up on?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, because I feel like at this point he's not a teenager, he actually feels like a young adult, probably like 20, early 20s.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, because he feels young, he feels young inside his body.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, he has digestive issues though, like a lot of them.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, or he used to.
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SPEAKER_02: And yeah, he has this like young spirit because he doesn't think about the normal things that other people would, like around this age.
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SPEAKER_02: Like around this age, probably around this time that he was living.
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SPEAKER_02: Early 20s, you think about like relationship or marriage or even starting a family.
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SPEAKER_02: He doesn't think about that.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like he's fixated on going back to his family because his family is all he wants.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's like he wants his room, his bed, his jacket, his shoes.
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SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's a fixation.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's interesting because I thought I thought he would feel sadder about this, but it's more like he just sees it as information.
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SPEAKER_02: Like that's just how it is.
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SPEAKER_02: And so he's I don't want to say he's cold emotionally, but he's like detached almost.
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SPEAKER_01: So more analytical than emotional.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, more analytical than emotional.
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SPEAKER_02: Because when he walks away, he feels he knows he can take care of himself.
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SPEAKER_02: Because it feels like he has some food in his pockets, and then and then like a deck of playing cards in the other, but no wallet, like no identification, no money.
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SPEAKER_02: And I can't tell what year this is, but if I just go off of his birthday 63.
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SPEAKER_01: Correct, he was born on April 15th of 1963.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if I go off of his birthday and just like add 20 years old, that would be 1983.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is before cell phones, so yeah, he just walks away.
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SPEAKER_02: He keeps running into people.
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SPEAKER_02: He keeps asking them questions like about his family or how to get to his family, and everybody thinks he's weird, and he gets rejected a lot, and that creates a type of frustration, but then it's like he just puts it on himself again to like find his way or to find his way there.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you get the feeling, David, that there's a communication issue with how he communicates or how people receive his communications?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: The way he's communicating with me feels normal, like in spirit.
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SPEAKER_02: It feels mostly normal.
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SPEAKER_02: But when he's showing me these experiences, it's like his body tried to like resist eye contact, and it's like he almost like talks into the air around people.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so it might make people feel like off-putting or just strange.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And it feels he uh go ahead.
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SPEAKER_01: Sorry, David, go ahead.
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SPEAKER_02: No, I was just gonna say, it just feels like he just bounces around.
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SPEAKER_02: Um even like eating food scraps from garbage.
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SPEAKER_02: It's it's like it's like he becomes a like a human raccoon.
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SPEAKER_02: Because he stays lost.
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SPEAKER_02: And he hides.
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SPEAKER_02: And he stays hidden.
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SPEAKER_02: And then he like sort of lives everywhere, anywhere.
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SPEAKER_02: But like no it I don't feel like there's any it's like he doesn't care about not having identification.
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SPEAKER_02: And it does not feel like he makes attempts to c to like call family.
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SPEAKER_02: It's almost like he feels like his mission is to reconnect with family, but I don't see a specific place in his mind that he knew where they were.
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SPEAKER_02: It's very strange.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: So it sounds like he's been spending some time potentially being homeless, and you mentioned kind of bouncing around at different places, yeah.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: Groups of people, but always like always like on the streets, like never this is what's confusing.
27:51
SPEAKER_02: It feels like he was smart, but it feels like there was something wrong with him.
27:57
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
27:58
SPEAKER_02: Um so it doesn't look like he joins a school or anything like that.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't feel like he joins um like if he was homeless, it doesn't feel like he goes into centers because they would need like some identification or keep track of him.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: Or he might have done that, but he'd be under like Tommy or something instead of Gordy.
28:21
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: So he it doesn't did he go anywhere and ask anyone for help?
28:27
SPEAKER_01: Did he see like the police or the fire department?
28:29
SPEAKER_01: Anyone and ask for help?
28:31
SPEAKER_02: Except them.
28:32
SPEAKER_02: He would go to people, but he would not go to police or fire people.
28:37
SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's like in his mind they were red alerts.
28:40
SPEAKER_02: Do not go there.
28:42
SPEAKER_02: I keep feeling like like this park hospital or this hospital park um that he was dropped off at or abandoned in, or he felt he was dropped off and abandoned in.
28:57
SPEAKER_02: He was traumatized by them.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: Feels like he was abused by them, like hurt by them.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: And he didn't want to have anything to do with them again.
29:08
SPEAKER_01: And so And he probably looked at them as people in authority then.
29:12
SPEAKER_01: Is that safe to say?
29:14
SPEAKER_02: Yes, like he was smart enough to understand Um like how things worked.
29:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay, like like like how things work in the world.
29:26
SPEAKER_02: Like he's not he's not a child in that way, uh, but he's childlike.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so he would want to stay away from fire, police, even EMTs, uh professionals.
29:44
SPEAKER_02: It's like he would ask random people, like on the street, like how to get here, how to get there, how to find his family.
29:52
SPEAKER_02: And he just got confusion in return.
29:56
SPEAKER_02: And it feels like he just kept bouncing around.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't even feel like the same area that he was dropped in now.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: Feels like through the years he just rambled from state to state almost.
30:10
SPEAKER_01: So is he just walking all this time, David?
30:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it feels like he is and just surviving on whatever he finds, whatever he finds, yeah.
30:24
SPEAKER_02: And it feels like sometimes he steals um or stole, but it's just for survival.
30:34
SPEAKER_02: But there comes a day, and this is like kind of heartbreaking.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: It feels like there comes a day, I wanna say it's about a year after he walked away from this hospital park.
30:50
SPEAKER_02: It feels like a year after that, and he like resigned himself that nobody was coming to find him, and that he was never gonna find his family.
31:03
SPEAKER_02: And so it's almost like he made his home wherever he was at.
31:07
SPEAKER_02: And then he dies because of the elements out in the cold, in the trees.
31:18
SPEAKER_01: David, you know if anyone has located his body.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: I gotta know.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: He says he's still in the trees, he's still with the trees.
31:28
SPEAKER_02: You know, I gotta tell you, he feels almost like he's in a region of Canada.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: So I used to have this client that I would have to go see them in Regina, Canada.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: I think it was Regina, Toronto, maybe, or Regina, Ontario.
31:45
SPEAKER_02: I don't remember, but it was Regina.
31:48
SPEAKER_02: And I would fly in to Detroit, and I would rent a car, and I'd have to go across the border to Canada.
31:56
SPEAKER_02: And this feels like the same type of feeling as when I would go to Regina, like in Canada.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: He feels like he's in Canada, or he was in Canada.
32:11
SPEAKER_01: Well, David, let me give you a little bit of the backstory, and this might might help you.
32:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, first off, Gordy's case is a little different for me because this isn't one that you know I went searching for.
32:23
SPEAKER_01: This is one that I remember watching as a kid on Unsolved Mysteries.
32:27
SPEAKER_03: Oh, really?
32:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and his parents were interviewed for the show, and for whatever reason, their son's disappearance um has just stuck with me all these years.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: And I think like a lot of people um have wondered where's Gordy.
32:39
SPEAKER_01: Um he was born, as we said, April 15th of 1963.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: He was 28 years old when he disappeared in May of 1991 from a group home in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: Now, Gordy grew up in Michigan and as a young adult, he struggled with work and communication.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: He was initially diagnosed with schizophrenia and placed in a residential care home in Michigan.
33:03
SPEAKER_03: Oh, we've got it.
33:04
SPEAKER_01: Now, in September of 1989, while Gordy remained in Michigan in a care facility, his parents had been planning uh for quite some time to make a move, and they moved to Florida.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, that's like all the way south.
33:19
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
33:20
SPEAKER_02: So Gordy did it's like they did abandon him.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: Well, Gordy was later, as is we moved through this, the re-evaluated, and it was determined that he was autistic rather than schizophrenic.
33:33
SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
33:33
SPEAKER_01: And his okay, his parents eventually found a Grand Rapids area home that specialized in autism at the time.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: And Gordy had only been living there a relatively short time um when his father came to visit him uh in May of '91.
33:49
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: And one of the things that Gordy's family talked about was his incredible memory, particularly when it came to baseball.
33:56
SPEAKER_03: Garnets.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: His father estimated that Gordy had somewhere between 25,000 and 30,000 baseball cards.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
34:03
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
34:04
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: And he could remember the players, the statistics, and then all the details about the games incredibly well.
34:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, his brain is like weirdly organized.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: I I And you had mentioned stacks and stacks of sports things, you get saying.
34:17
SPEAKER_01: So potentially that that's what that was.
34:19
SPEAKER_01: And then on May 22nd, Gordy's dad came to visit him.
34:23
SPEAKER_01: And when it was time for his dad to leave, Gordy didn't want him to leave.
34:27
SPEAKER_01: And he broke away from the attendance and began pounding on his father's van.
34:31
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
34:32
SPEAKER_01: Um his father would later talk about how much he regretted not simply putting Gordy in the van and taking him home to Florida.
34:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
34:39
SPEAKER_01: Four days later, Gordy disappears.
34:42
SPEAKER_01: And after he was gone, someone um believed to be Gordy was reportedly seen hitchhiking towards Interstate 96.
34:50
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
34:50
SPEAKER_01: But despite the search, no one was able to establish where he went.
34:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
34:54
SPEAKER_01: Now, several weeks went by, and someone found what makes this case particularly interesting was a partial collection of baseball cards believed to belong to Gordy.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it was discovered beneath the I-95, or I'm sorry, I-96 overpass.
35:10
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
35:11
SPEAKER_01: Now, Gordy had three cards that were apparently incredibly important to him.
35:16
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
35:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh Robin Yao, Paul Molator, and Eddie Murray were three players who were particularly favorites of Gordy.
35:25
SPEAKER_01: And those cards were separated out from the other cards.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: Now, there's no way for us to conclusively prove that those cards belong to Gordy, but considering his enormous baseball card collection, how important those particular players were to him, and where the cards were found and their discovery after he disappeared, there's a strong indication that they may have been his.
35:48
SPEAKER_02: Can I tell you what I feel about that?
35:50
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
35:52
SPEAKER_02: I feel like he did drop them not on purpose.
35:56
SPEAKER_02: It feels like he got roughed up in that place because he was just trying to rest, but it feels like it belonged to somebody.
36:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, even if even if it was like something public, like underneath the freeway.
36:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, and he he just dropped them there and he ran.
36:14
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
36:17
SPEAKER_02: But he was devastated.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, as were his parents, David.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: I I will tell you, I have watched this play out for many, many, many years.
36:27
SPEAKER_01: Um his mom and dad, especially his father, and and I, you know, I I know equally with his mom, but his dad was really, you know, very much out there in the media um with so much regret.
36:39
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he expressed it and said, you know, it it broke his heart.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: I think at the time autism wasn't understood the way that it is today in the early 1990s.
36:49
SPEAKER_01: I think that his parents were doing everything they could and wanted to give him every opportunity.
36:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it sounds like it was suggested to them by doctors that like this is the best for him.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: This would give him the support and the tools and the care that he needs.
37:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, and like it makes sense, right?
37:08
SPEAKER_02: It makes sense, but still, like in his mind, he felt abandoned.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: Well, absolutely.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: And I think that that his dad felt that way when he drove away.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: I think his father very much felt, you know, here here he's leaving, doing what a parent does.
37:22
SPEAKER_01: And and sometimes with tough love, you know, you you have to take your kids to the hospital.
37:26
SPEAKER_01: They've got to get shots, they have medications.
37:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you think you're doing it breaks your heart as a parent.
37:34
SPEAKER_01: But sometimes that's just unfortunately part of the process of being a parent.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: And so I think that in their gut and in their heart, they didn't want to, but I think they really loved Gordy and wanted to give him the best.
37:47
SPEAKER_01: And and it sounds like the advice they were receiving was this is what's what's best.
37:52
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I I think the parents very much wrestled with that.
37:56
SPEAKER_01: And then having Gordy run out and pounding on the van, you know, don't leave, I want to come with you.
38:02
SPEAKER_01: And his dad driving away, looking in the rearview mirror, uh, I I I can only imagine.
38:08
SPEAKER_01: And and he expressed the amount of heartbreak and um disappointment that he had, and you know, kind of if he could do it different, he would.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah.
38:18
SPEAKER_02: Can I can I ask if in your investigation, or from what you remember, was he really tall and lanky?
38:24
SPEAKER_01: He was.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: He was tall, yes.
38:27
SPEAKER_02: Because one of the things that I kept feeling in him, and and I'm not a medical professional, so I'm not diagnosing, but I'm wondering if he had um like this disorder.
38:40
SPEAKER_02: I think oh my gosh, it's I think it's called Aylers Downlos disorder.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: Ellers downlos.
38:53
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
38:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it would create developmental issues in his body.
38:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, like I'm wondering if he had issues with his teeth and jaw.
39:05
SPEAKER_01: Well, I can tell you that he was six foot three.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
39:09
SPEAKER_02: Wow, okay.
39:10
SPEAKER_01: So relatively talking about 175 pounds.
39:13
SPEAKER_01: So it's six foot three, 175 would would have made him skinny and lanky, which I think was your words.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: Um I'm not aware if he had Ellers Damos syndrome.
39:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:24
SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't I don't think it was even coined back then, but I don't know.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: Do you get a sense?
39:34
SPEAKER_01: I know, David, you said you feel like um well, actually, David, let me back up for just a second.
39:41
SPEAKER_01: He it sounds like he had a scar underneath his chin and white discolorations on several teeth, and a prominent Adam's apple.
39:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I can't confirm a specific jaw problem.
39:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
39:56
SPEAKER_01: Or or or abnormality.
39:58
SPEAKER_01: Um, but that that information was listed to the public.
40:02
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
40:03
SPEAKER_01: Um you'd mentioned Canada, which, you know, from where he was, um appears like, you know, you had said he'd been walking.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: So the Canadian border at the Detroit Windsor Crossing would have been roughly 150 to 160 miles um by road or about two and a half hours by car.
40:22
SPEAKER_01: So it is entirely possible that, as you mentioned, he stayed walking.
40:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, it may have also rung true because I believe it was an off-duty fireman who about an hour after um Gordy broke out of the facility, saw someone matching his description hike or uh hitchhiking, I should say, on I-96, which is where initially they went looking for him and where those baseball cards were found.
40:49
SPEAKER_01: Um so uh, you know, you had mentioned different areas.
40:52
SPEAKER_01: He had stayed by foot.
40:54
SPEAKER_01: So it's absolutely possible that he, in fact, could have made it over into the Canadian border.
41:00
SPEAKER_01: Um now, again, whether he got he was hitchhiking or not, I know that they certainly had put out a tremendous amount of information asking for people to look for him.
41:09
SPEAKER_01: Um his family indicated that they felt that he would have been um potentially with the homeless.
41:17
SPEAKER_01: That was one of the things that they thought, or he may have been um working with migrant workers, or they even mentioned uh carnival people.
41:26
SPEAKER_01: Um they mentioned, you know, different different possibilities of where he may have spent his time or or who they believed potentially he may have been with.
41:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, can I tell you something that's might be like a silver lining here?
41:41
SPEAKER_03: Sure.
41:42
SPEAKER_02: Because this feels like an unnecessary experience, right?
41:47
SPEAKER_02: But like I I tell my clients, and like I believe everything happens for a reason.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: Um I keep feeling, and this is because of what I'm sensing from Tommy.
41:58
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I know it's Gordy, but I I just want to call him Tommy, sorry.
42:03
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's okay.
42:04
SPEAKER_01: It sounds like he wants to be called Tommy, or that's how he identified at that time in his life.
42:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and the thing I feel about Tommy is it feels like he saw generosity and kindness in people, even though he had some rough experiences after he disappeared from this home, this like hospital park, as he called it.
42:24
SPEAKER_02: Um it feels like he experienced a lot of good from people.
42:31
SPEAKER_02: And if there's any silver lining, I would say it's that.
42:34
SPEAKER_02: It's that he wasn't, it doesn't feel like he was killed by people, you know, or completely neglected.
42:43
SPEAKER_02: He was helped along.
42:45
SPEAKER_01: And you feel, David, that he died, you you feel like within a year or so of leaving?
42:52
SPEAKER_02: Actually, it felt like four years after he left.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: And do you think he was in Canada most of that time?
43:00
SPEAKER_02: No, he was in the United States most of that time, but it feels like he ended up in Canada.
43:07
SPEAKER_01: And any specific markings, anything that might help his family, because as of now, Gordy has still not been found.
43:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
43:15
SPEAKER_01: Um, and you've said that, you know, does it sound like anyone has found the remnants of his body?
43:21
SPEAKER_01: Do you pick up on anything else in Canada that might be an identifier?
43:27
SPEAKER_02: Uh the only thing that I was being shown about like where he was at is there was this huge concrete complex.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: It looked almost like a dam.
43:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I I I couldn't hear or see any water.
43:43
SPEAKER_02: It was this huge concrete complex.
43:46
SPEAKER_02: It was angled, it was very noticeable, and it was very tall, like taller than 20 feet.
43:54
SPEAKER_02: Um, it looks like a concrete wall, but it's angled and it's thicker at the bottom than at the top.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: And there's like a like a metal fence at the top.
44:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, but down below where he was at, it feels like it's it's just full of trees.
44:13
SPEAKER_02: Um and there's a circular opening in this concrete thing.
44:21
SPEAKER_02: Um and he's like near that opening.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: But I but I can't like I don't see any signs here.
44:30
SPEAKER_02: This feels really remote.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: Was he with people, David, at this time?
44:35
SPEAKER_01: Were there were there other either a homeless community or other people maybe on the street around him, or was he totally alone when he died?
44:41
SPEAKER_02: No, this feels like he was completely alone.
44:47
SPEAKER_01: So probably in an area that is not well traveled, would that be safe to say?
44:52
SPEAKER_02: What it feels like to me, and I don't know if this is true, but I'm curious to know, it feels almost like a government facility, like outside of it, not in it.
45:03
SPEAKER_02: Like he wasn't inside it, but it feels like it's a government facility, and yeah, that's what it feels like.
45:11
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you don't get do you get the feeling that people are walking past his remains every day?
45:16
SPEAKER_02: No, no, there's like very little to no traffic.
45:21
unknown: Okay.
45:23
SPEAKER_02: It's almost like he was following this wall, this concrete wall, because he wanted to see the end of it because he thought he might find some help over there.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: It's it was wrong.
45:39
SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, it feels like he froze to death.
45:43
SPEAKER_01: So he just did he go to sleep and just didn't wake up?
45:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because he's curled up like at the bottom of a tree.
45:51
SPEAKER_01: David, is there anything else that Gordy would like to say?
45:53
SPEAKER_01: Is there anything that he would want to tell his family or anything else that he would want to let us know?
46:00
SPEAKER_02: He says he understands why he was abandoned or why he was left there.
46:06
SPEAKER_02: He does send them love, especially his mom, because he says that she still like sends him prayers, she still prays for him almost daily.
46:20
SPEAKER_02: Um but he wants to send them love, that he's actually better now.
46:28
SPEAKER_01: And what about Gordon Page Sr.
46:31
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure there's some peace in the fact that he's finally reunited with his son.
46:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let me see.
46:39
SPEAKER_02: Weird question, but do you happen to know if uh if Gordon Sr.
46:44
SPEAKER_02: and Tommy, by any chance, were they Virgos?
46:48
SPEAKER_02: So like September babies?
46:52
SPEAKER_01: Gordon Page Sr.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: was born on September 2nd, 1936, which would make him a Virgo.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: Got it, okay.
47:03
SPEAKER_01: Um and Gordy, no, unfortunately, Gordy would not have been a Virgo because he's he would be in Aries, right?
47:11
SPEAKER_01: Yes, he well, he was born in April.
47:13
SPEAKER_02: Got it, okay.
47:16
SPEAKER_01: Was there something specific around around that?
47:20
SPEAKER_02: No, just the one thing that I kept feeling is Gordon the father always thought that Tommy got his analytical skills or his great memory or his really organized mind from Gordon, from his father.
47:39
unknown: Okay.
47:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: Well, David, what I can tell you is what has always stayed with me about Gordy's case is that behind all of the questions, the highways, the sightings, the baseball cards, and the theories, there was a son whose parents never stopped wanting to know where he went.
47:55
SPEAKER_01: Three decades later, we still don't know exactly what happened after Gordy left that group home, who he may have encountered, or where his journey ultimately ended.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: Sadly, Gordy's father, as you know, passed away without ever getting those answers that he spent so many years searching for.
48:11
SPEAKER_01: And technically, Gordy is still missing.
48:13
SPEAKER_01: His family deserves those answers, and they deserve to know what happened to him ultimately, where Gordy is.
48:20
SPEAKER_03: I agree.
48:20
SPEAKER_01: So until those answers come, Gordy Gordon Page Jr.
48:23
SPEAKER_01: remains still unanswered.
48:25
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48:32
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48:36
SPEAKER_01: And David, you know, it's always such a pleasure being here with you.
48:40
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48:43
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