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Girls Next Door, Holly and Bridget Tell All! · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald. Has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 2: She talks Hollywood tales for real life.
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  Speaker 3: Listen in, listen up.
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  Speaker 1: Heather McDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: I have the juiciest interview with Holly and Bridget from
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  Speaker 4: Girls Next Door with everything that's happened since all the
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  Speaker 4: inside scoop.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to die. It gets real real.
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  Speaker 4: Before we get to that, I just want to cover
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  Speaker 4: a follow up on the whole Alabama known as Bama Rush,
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  Speaker 4: sorority rush. Out of Alabama, they had bid day, so
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  Speaker 4: either the girls were cheering and were happy or they're
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  Speaker 4: crying or they're transferring schools or they got their second choice.
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  Speaker 1: It's done. It happened Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: What broke on Friday is that my Annie, who was
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  Speaker 4: a sorority girl, she was a Kappa Kappa Gamma at
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  Speaker 4: the University of Mississippi, texted me with some real juicy scoop.
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  Speaker 4: And I go, get on it. I'm going to explain
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  Speaker 4: this story as best I can. Okay, you tell me
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  Speaker 4: how I do, Annie. So there were Apparently, there was
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  Speaker 4: a suspicion that microphones were being sent in to record
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  Speaker 4: conversations for HBO Max from Vice Studios that was supposedly
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  Speaker 4: doing something with HBO Max. Now, when I first heard this,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, okay, wait a minute. That means that
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  Speaker 4: they had to find girls that were already enrolled in
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  Speaker 4: Alabama who would be willing to put on a mic
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  Speaker 4: and and go through Rush and send that recordings to
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  Speaker 4: Vice Studios so they could either make a documentary, make
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  Speaker 4: a scripted show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, was it a mic? Could it have been
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  Speaker 1: like a little body cam cop, like what a cop
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  Speaker 1: would have? I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought that was a little hard to do
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  Speaker 4: because I'm like, you would have to find someone that
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  Speaker 4: was willing to do this and possibly jeopardize their own
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  Speaker 4: chance of being in a sorority. And I think if
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  Speaker 4: if someone was a cute enough, cute type, not cute enough,
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  Speaker 4: but a cute type of sorority type girl, and she's
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  Speaker 4: going to a place like Alabama, which is a big
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  Speaker 4: sorority fraternity place, most likely she would want to rush.
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  Speaker 1: But they believe that this was happening and that.
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  Speaker 4: This one girl, I saw her TikTok, she said she
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  Speaker 4: got kicked out because she took a hair tie and
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  Speaker 4: put it around her shirt. And they had heard this rumor,
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  Speaker 4: the girls at Alabama, and they're like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God, you're a mole.
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  Speaker 4: You're like a cop that's like, you know, you're miked
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  Speaker 4: like the mafia.
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  Speaker 1: Get the fuck out. Like, what happened? And they kick.
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  Speaker 4: Her out, and she got dropped from Sorority Rush on
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  Speaker 4: suspicion that she might have been, you know, a little
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  Speaker 4: worker for HBO Max. Now, this one girl said her
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  Speaker 4: name's Emily Limbaugh, and she's 23. She graduated from the
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  Speaker 4: University of Alabama in August. She was an alpha fee there,
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  Speaker 4: and she said she was contacted via Instagram DM by
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  Speaker 4: a woman who identified herself as a producer from Vice
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  Speaker 4: Studios working on a documentary for HBO Max, and she
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  Speaker 4: thought it was super sketchy that the direct message came
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  Speaker 4: from an unverified account with no profile pic, and the
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  Speaker 4: account seems to have been deactivated. Now, the PNMs, what
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  Speaker 4: is PNMs now? Oh, potential new member. We never called
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  Speaker 4: them that. I think we just called them like rushies
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  Speaker 4: or whatever. They were told not to post rush TikToks
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  Speaker 4: and also, well, a little too late for that, also
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  Speaker 4: not to talk to reporters if they came to the
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  Speaker 4: school or else they'd be dropped from recruitment. Now, what
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  Speaker 4: I thought was juicy on Friday is that Annie told
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  Speaker 4: me that at University of Mississippi, she heard through the grapevine,
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  Speaker 4: that the sorority girls there that were doing Rush, maybe
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  Speaker 4: they were a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit behind Bama. We don't do it until next week.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so they're starting next week, and this is their
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  Speaker 4: work week, meaning they get all their stuff together to
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  Speaker 4: give the greatest show and get the best girls. And
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  Speaker 4: they heard about this, and they were having people come
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  Speaker 4: in and teach them how to spot a girl who
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  Speaker 4: might have a mic or be mic'd. So here's what
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  Speaker 4: I'm thinking. Whether this is true or not, I think
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  Speaker 4: it's a juicy story to make a whole nother scripted
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  Speaker 4: movie about someone wanting to do a documentary about sorority rush.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe the girl's like a little genius and her mom's
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  Speaker 4: in entertainment and the two of them are like, you
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  Speaker 4: know what? We're going to make it in Hollywood. You're
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  Speaker 4: going to go and act like you're going to get
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  Speaker 4: into Alabama. You're going to act like you're into this.
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  Speaker 4: And you're going to do a whole year as a
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  Speaker 4: mole and you're going to be collecting stories and you're
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  Speaker 4: going to be doing secret recordings and writing in your
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  Speaker 4: notes section and recording people and all this stuff. And
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  Speaker 4: then like at the end, the girls, she really ends
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  Speaker 4: up loving the girls. She was out there going to
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  Speaker 4: come and be like, these girls are awful people.
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  Speaker 1: This is a, you know, an old fashioned, awful people
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  Speaker 1: place for pretty people who are mean.
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  Speaker 4: And then in the end, she realizes they're all really
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  Speaker 4: lovely and they all really care about each other.
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  Speaker 1: And then she's like, I don't know what to do.
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  Speaker 4: Hollywood's calling and my mom and we're about to like
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  Speaker 4: sell this big thing to Netflix. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: be like the next little girl version of Steven Spielberg.
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  Speaker 3: Or I.
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  Speaker 1: Found a boy I like and a sisterhood I love.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. There you go.
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  Speaker 4: You'll be watching it while getting your hair dried out
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  Speaker 4: at the dry bar in about six years from now.
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  Speaker 1: Very juicy.
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  Speaker 1: HeatherMcDonald.net. And now for my juicy interview. Hello and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Juicy Scoop. I'm very excited.
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  Speaker 4: I have lots of questions for my two fabulous guests.
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  Speaker 4: It's Holly and Bridget, known best from The Girls Next Door.
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  Speaker 4: Now you guys are back because I'm very excited about
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  Speaker 4: your new show.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm going to watch back the.
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  Speaker 4: Episodes together and let us know what's real, what's not,
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  Speaker 4: what was happening in your brain, what was being portrayed.
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  Speaker 1: Very excited. Welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a new podcast. It's called Girls Next Level.
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  Speaker 2: And we will be going back and watching all the
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  Speaker 2: episodes and letting everybody know what was real and what
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  Speaker 2: was fake and all the drama behind the scenes and everything.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot to get into.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I'm up.
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  Speaker 4: I've had you on the show before, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: I've never met you, Bridget. I watched the show in
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  Speaker 4: the heyday of E!
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And, you know, being on Chelsea lately, we would, like,
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  Speaker 4: follow it and discuss it a lot.
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  Speaker 3: And.
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  Speaker 4: I actually remember the first time I was even introduced
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  Speaker 4: to you. I was listening to a radio, regular radio show.
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  Speaker 4: I was driving around at night. I don't know what
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  Speaker 4: the show was, but they're like, and we're talking to Holly,
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  Speaker 4: who's Hef's girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: And this was before the show.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, and the way you like told
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  Speaker 4: the story of like, oh, I was just at the pool.
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  Speaker 1: One day or something. And he started to talk to like,
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  Speaker 1: what is the story? How did you meet Hef?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I had been invited to the parties at the mansion.
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  Speaker 2: I was doing a Hawaiian tropics thing and like Hef's
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  Speaker 2: doctor went there and he wanted to invite all the
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  Speaker 2: girls from the contest to the mansion, like put them
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  Speaker 2: on the list for the party. And I was so
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  Speaker 2: excited because back then those parties were like the hottest
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  Speaker 2: ticket in town and not just anybody could get in.
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  Speaker 2: So I was super excited. And from there I got in.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but you're cool. I would go to the party.
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  Speaker 1: It was a fun experience.
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  Speaker 4: Cool thing to do. And it was like Hollywood elite
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  Speaker 4: and it was gorgeous. And, and I never saw anything
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  Speaker 4: creepy when I was there at those parties. And that
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  Speaker 4: was the end of nineties.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Early 2000s.
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  Speaker 1: Or I just was too focused on the free lamb chops. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So you're at the, you're at the, the, at the
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  Speaker 4: mansion for the, as a hot tropic girl.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or just like a random girl. Yeah. Random girl
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  Speaker 1: who got invited. Just a pretty girl.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. All right.
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  Speaker 2: And from there, I got put on the list to
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  Speaker 2: go to the pool parties they would have every Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: And that was like a smaller, more intimate group. And
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  Speaker 2: I would go to those every Sunday and like make
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  Speaker 2: friends there. And everybody just seemed so nice, all of
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  Speaker 2: his friends. And after a while, that kind of started
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  Speaker 2: to feel like a community I was a part of
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. And then I got into a place
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  Speaker 2: in my life where I had nowhere to live, like
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  Speaker 2: just all this crazy stuff had happened in my life.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, you know what? He has a
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  Speaker 2: spot open as one.
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  Speaker 1: Of his girlfriends. So maybe I should move in here.
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  Speaker 2: Like it didn't, it sounds crazy, but it didn't feel
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  Speaker 2: like that much of a stretch to me.
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  Speaker 1: At the time for me.
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  Speaker 4: And at that time when you said he has a
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  Speaker 4: spot open, had you guys already been intimate at least once?
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  Speaker 2: No, what had happened is I'd been invited to go
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  Speaker 2: out with them a few times. So I always kind
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  Speaker 2: of thought in the back of my head, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: maybe if I wanted to be a girlfriend, maybe it
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  Speaker 2: could be an option. But it wasn't really anything I
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  Speaker 2: thought I would do or ever have the balls to
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  Speaker 2: do if I wasn't kind of like desperate for a
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  Speaker 2: place to live. So I approached him and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to go out with you guys maybe this
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  Speaker 2: week or something. And he was like, OK, well, I'll
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  Speaker 2: have my secretary call you. And it just happened from there.
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  Speaker 1: OK, so then, you know, we kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Of know from the show and stuff that you got
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  Speaker 4: to bone him. You got to bone him with the
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  Speaker 4: other girls. And once that happened, then were you just like, well.
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  Speaker 4: I guess I'll make the best of this. And then absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Once you've gone.
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  Speaker 3: That far, it's like I'm going to stick around for this.
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  Speaker 3: Like I put like I compromise that, you know.
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  Speaker 4: How did you meet him? And like where did the
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  Speaker 4: years collide where you guys met? Before the show started.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you moved in and started coming out with half,
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  Speaker 2: maybe like nine months after I moved in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So it was pretty close.
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  Speaker 4: And what was your story? Were you like just a
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  Speaker 4: cute girl at the parties or what happened?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I had met him way before I had tested
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  Speaker 3: for a Playmate. They brought me out to the mansion
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  Speaker 3: and did like the full test and everything. So I
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  Speaker 3: had spent like three days there and I met him.
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  Speaker 3: And then... I didn't get it. I didn't find out
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  Speaker 3: for a year and a half that I didn't get it.
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  Speaker 3: And I never went back to the mansion in that
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  Speaker 3: time because I didn't know I could.
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  Speaker 1: And were you living in L.A. that time?
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  Speaker 3: No, I was living in Northern California.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Desperately wanting to be in L.A. and wishing I could
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  Speaker 3: go to the parties and like be a part of
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  Speaker 3: all of that kind of thing. And then one day
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  Speaker 3: somebody told me, oh, you know, if you tested before,
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  Speaker 3: you could go to the parties. And I was like, wait, what?
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  Speaker 1: Like I missed out a year and a half. I did.
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  Speaker 6: I did.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 3: And some of the best years of Playboy parties, too,
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  Speaker 3: because I tested at the end of 98. So like
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  Speaker 3: 99 and 2000, like those are the parties I was missing.
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  Speaker 1: You missed me.
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  Speaker 3: The prime. The prime time.
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  Speaker 4: So then people know the story, but I got married
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  Speaker 4: and I got invited to the New Year's Eve party,
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  Speaker 4: which was 2000. And it was when we had the
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  Speaker 4: seven girlfriends. And so I called RSVP. And normally I'd
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  Speaker 4: bring a girlfriend that then I'd have to send in
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  Speaker 4: her photo or whatever. But if I had a girlfriend
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  Speaker 4: that was already approved, then she could come with me
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  Speaker 4: every time. And I was like, well, now I'd like
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  Speaker 4: to have a different guest this time.
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  Speaker 1: It's my husband. And he's really cool. And they're like, uh, what? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This is a singles party. It just hung up on me.
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  Speaker 1: And I was never invited again. Oh, my God. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, so bummed. Because honestly, my husband's the
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  Speaker 1: most non-jealous person in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I would have spent New
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  Speaker 1: Year's Eve without him. But like.
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  Speaker 4: I could have gone to the one in April or
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  Speaker 4: Halloween or whatever. He wouldn't have cared with a girlfriend.
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  Speaker 4: Because I was in the business and it was like, whatever,
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  Speaker 4: get some.
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  Speaker 1: So... Anyway, continue. So you missed me at the parties.
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  Speaker 3: I missed the parties.
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  Speaker 1: So you start coming down.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I start coming down. The first party I get
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  Speaker 3: invited to is Midsommars of 2000, which was incredible and amazing.
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  Speaker 3: And then I just really had the bug. Like, I
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  Speaker 3: really want to be here. I really want to be
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  Speaker 3: doing this. I finally just like took my savings and
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  Speaker 3: moved to L.A. and was able through, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: contacts to just be able to come to Fun in
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  Speaker 3: the Sun and Buffet Dinner and Movie and have called
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  Speaker 3: one time in March and asked me if I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to go out with him and the girls, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, no. I've heard stories about what goes on,
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  Speaker 3: and no. Oh, you said no?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I just really want to be a playmate. That's why
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  Speaker 3: I'm here, doing stuff for the entertainment industry. I had
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  Speaker 3: a broadcast journalism communications degree. So I was auditioning for
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  Speaker 3: things and I wanted to be a playmate. But being
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  Speaker 3: a girlfriend or going out, like, no, that's not what
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  Speaker 3: I had in mind here. And he was very gracious
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  Speaker 3: and nice about it. And everything was fine. Then a
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  Speaker 3: couple months later, I was like, you know what? Like
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  Speaker 3: nothing had moved in my life really. And I thought,
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  Speaker 3: what do I have to lose? Like this, I could
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  Speaker 3: be missing out on some really cool opportunities. I was
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  Speaker 3: watching other girls kind of come and go and all
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  Speaker 3: the fun they were having going out. And I thought,
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  Speaker 3: why am I like not letting myself do this?
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  Speaker 4: So when you're thinking that, are you like, all right,
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  Speaker 4: I'm just going to have to hop on and count
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  Speaker 4: to 11 and let this be over?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if it was that long.
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  Speaker 1: How do you just.
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  Speaker 4: Gear yourself and be like, all right, I am going
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  Speaker 4: to do this thing, which is not something... I'm super
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  Speaker 4: excited to be, but like, who really care? Like, how
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  Speaker 4: do you justify it in your mind of like, you've
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  Speaker 4: been a pretty girl that's probably always had somewhat age
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  Speaker 4: appropriate boyfriends. And now you're going to go and be
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  Speaker 4: with this really older guy. You're going to share them
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  Speaker 4: with people, but like, Thank God you're sharing them with people.
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  Speaker 4: Like I'm almost thinking like where do you justify it?
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  Speaker 1: Sort of.
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  Speaker 3: I sort of have that in mind. But I was
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  Speaker 3: also thinking that I could get out of this for
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  Speaker 3: a little while. Like the first night I was like
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  Speaker 3: I'm not ready yet. So I'm just going to like
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  Speaker 3: kind of check it out and see what's going on.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm not going to do anything I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to do.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I thought too. I never thought I would.
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  Speaker 2: Necessarily have to go the first night or be the
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  Speaker 2: first one the first night like yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not like I never would have done it
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  Speaker 3: with him but I wasn't ready at that moment but
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  Speaker 3: there's other girls that put pressure on you like she
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  Speaker 3: straight up told me you'll never be invited back if
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  Speaker 3: you don't do this tonight So then it's like you've
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  Speaker 3: put in all this time and all this effort and
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  Speaker 3: you've had such a great night. Like it's really fun
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  Speaker 3: going out with Hef and stuff. And you think, wait,
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  Speaker 3: do I want this all to end like right now?
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  Speaker 3: Plus you've been drinking. Plus you're tired.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're wasted. That's step one.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody else is doing it. And are you guys.
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  Speaker 4: Just drinking or are you partaking in some other stuff too?
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  Speaker 2: I was just drinking, but I drank a lot. I
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  Speaker 2: was just so nervous that first night that I was
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  Speaker 2: just down in them all night.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What was your drink of choice?
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Well, this was 2001, so it was vodka cranberry.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Still a great drink.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's nothing wrong with that drink.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Full of hidden sugar, so I wouldn't drink it now.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: You just did the splash now. Splash of cranberry, vodka soda.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Vodka water. Vodka club soda, yeah. Or whatever, Perrier.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. For me, just alcohol as well. I was offered
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: the Quaalude. But I was like, no, I don't even know.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Like I'd never done.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Anything like that. And quaalids were like not around.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: Like quaalids were to me, I heard about quaalids like
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: in the 80s and like 70s.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: You hear about them past tense.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Like it wasn't like none of our friends were doing
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: it or, you know, like, so I was like, that
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: must have been kind of weird.
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: It was definitely weird. Like, I knew what it was,
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: but I have to imagine a lot of girls my
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: age back then probably didn't know what it was. Like,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Wolf of Wall Street wasn't even out then. We didn't
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: even have, like, that cultural touchstone to know, like, what
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: a Quaalude does or anything.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I had no idea what it was, but I just
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: was like, I've never done anything like that. So I
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: was like, no. You know, I mean, I just drank
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: and I smoked a little bit of pot in my past.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: That's the extent of what I had done. So I
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: wasn't interested in doing that. But I got in trouble
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: from the other girls for declining it.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: You mean they were just pissed?
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like, don't decline it or he'll quit
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: giving it to us.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, don't decline the Quaalude. I thought you meant the dick.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: No.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, are you sure?
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Everybody would have been excited about that. No, the Quaalude.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: And so in the future, I would accept it and
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: just throw it in my purse.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: And do you think the girls wanted it just because, again,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: it just made the whole process just less memorable for them?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm wondering.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Either they wanted it to take it or maybe they were, like,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: hoarding it and selling it.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have no idea either.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: They kept wanting to get the Quaaludes, but apparently it
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: was a thing.
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: You know what? And at some point, the Quaaludes just stopped,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: and I don't even know when that was or why
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: that was or anything.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like it was around, like, 2003, 2004. I
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: feel like it's because we didn't have a girl in
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: the group who was, like, a recruiter anymore. A recruiter
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: that would get new girls to come in? Yeah, like
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: a Ghislaine Maxwell type person.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And you feel like the.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: Recruiting and getting the new people again was, like— Taking
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: the heat off of you to sexually satisfy him.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: And she has more value in the group because he
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: knows she recruits girls.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: And when someone recruits somebody, like, how do you sell
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: me on it? Like, let's say I'm the cute girl
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: at the party and Hef's like, she's attractive.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: And he says it to the recruiter.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: How does the recruiter, like, then come to me, like,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: and we just, like, role play, like, to get me
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: to be, like, feel me out to see if I'm
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: interested and if I'd be, like, a good, cool person
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: to hang?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you say to me?
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, she was a really fun person with, like,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: a fun personality. So she could easily just go up
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: to anybody and be like, oh, hey.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Want to drink? Want to hang out? Blah, blah, blah.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: And then it just escalates from there after somebody's been drinking.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: When you offer somebody to come behind the velvet ropes
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: and drink for free with your unlimited bottle service and
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: dancing with hats.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, at a club, you mean.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, at a club or at a party.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, or at a Playboy party.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's really– it's exciting and it's fun and
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: you're behind the velvet ropes and everybody's looking in and
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: you're like one of those people that are there, like
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: VIP and stuff. So I feel like it would be
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: a pretty easy sell.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: And do you want to come back to the Playboy
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Mansion with us?
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: I also think when you– When you're not used to
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: getting attention like that at a nightclub where people are like, oh,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: my God, it's happened to girlfriends. That's like makes the
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: night 10 times more fun than if you were just
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: with your other pretty girlfriends.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Going out to a nightclub. Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: You know, because it's like you're a star, you know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: and you get that. Celebrity and everyone's so much nicer
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: to you.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You know, people want to see you. And, like, yeah.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Nobody checks your ID when you walk in.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we talk about this on the podcast, too. Like,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the C's just part when you walk into the club
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: and everybody's in awe.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Here comes Hef and this gaggle of girlfriends, like, all
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: walking single file to this roped-off area.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: This roped-off area with, like, you know, five, six security
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: people standing all around it.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: So you go out that night. You go, I guess
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: I have to take my turn.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then once it's over.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Well, I didn't say, oh, I guess I have to
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: take my turn. I was still just gonna watch okay
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: and then um and then she was like aren't you
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: gonna that same girl was like aren't you gonna go
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: it's like you need to go and I was like
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I would rather not and she's like well then probably
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: won't be invited back so then I was like okay
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: and I'd seen what everybody else was doing so I
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: knew that this was like a 10 second thing okay
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I mean definitely no more than a minute oh okay
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: would you say.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, my mouth is cloudy. I've kind of blocked it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I would say you're right. It's short. Right.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Everybody's very encouraging.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: It's purely teamwork. It is.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: It actually is. Everyone is very encouraging.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Everyone's just like, we all have to do this together. So, yeah.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: for it?
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: They have more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: You have to put me in touch.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: What's it called?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: It's Dune ADL. Where? Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Do you mean... Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: Lift?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Please. Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage. No. Dundale Cars.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: filed against me.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: what would you do if it was given back?
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: you had to succeed in order to feel loved? He said,
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: I have a work dad.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I need a home dad. What happens next?
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: When I came in, he started crying.
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: happens next.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I realized how valuable every day was.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: You're worth the work.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: And is it like, I don't want to be the first,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be the last, is number three
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: the best? If everyone's doing it, is there a time
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: that you'd rather do it or not?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, for me there was.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I felt like everybody was just trying to get it
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: done as quickly as possible, like the whole process.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Well, once after that first night, like when I tried
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: not to do it after that, I wanted to be
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: first because there was no way I wanted going after
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: other people.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Because that was the other thing is they said it
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: was it was no condoms. So you all could possibly
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: have spread something.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Unintentionally.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: You were hoping everyone's in the same situation.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: And there is a doctor on staff and you're hoping
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: everybody is being checked out and everybody's being I say
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: this in quotes monogamous to that relationship.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Right. But.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: You don't know.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: And if there's new girls coming up, which there often
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: were like, I just wanted to be first and be done.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: And that I felt like that was the cleanest way
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: to be in and.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Out of it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: So then how long were you guys both living in
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: the house together and being part of one? Like how
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: many girls were there when this opportunity came up to like, hey,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: we've been approached to possibly do a reality show.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And how did that all come about? How did they
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: sell it to you? What was you.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like that at all. Okay.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Well, we both lived there for about seven years total.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: And there was a constant turnover of the other women.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: And Bridget and I had lived there for about three years,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I think, before Hef kicked everybody else out and Kendra
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: moved in. And then it became just three of us
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: rather than seven.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Which was a big relief because there was a lot
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: less drama. And did you always get to have your
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: own bedroom? No, I had to share with Hef and
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I had zero privacy ever. I asked him if I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: could have another room down the hall and he always
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: said no. But there were constantly like secretaries walking in
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: and out of his room all day.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: And when did you get chosen to be the girl
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: that lives in the room? And at that time you
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: were like, I guess, into it as far as being
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: like the number one girl.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Like how did that come about?
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I moved into his room about six months after I
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: moved in. But we started talking about it almost immediately
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: after I moved in. Because I moved in and I
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: was kind of the one girl who liked to stay
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: at home and liked to go to the buffet dinners
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: and liked to watch the old movies and stuff. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: everybody else who had been there did not want to
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: be the main girlfriend because they know, like, you have
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: to share a room. You're under the microscope. Like, you
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: just can't kind of go off and do your own
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: thing as much. So everybody was like, oh, I think
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you're going to be Hef's new girlfriend. And I had
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: never thought that would be me because I was the
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: youngest in the group. And from what I had seen before,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I kind of always assumed the main girlfriend had to
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: be the oldest for whatever reason, just because she had
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: been before.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: But I was flattered by it. And where did that
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: girl go?
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Like, where did that one she left and then you
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: were being chosen to take her place? Like, how much
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: time was in between and how did that girl feel
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: and why did she choose to leave at that time?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the reason she wanted to be there
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: at all was because she wanted a centerfold in the magazine.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: So when her centerfold came out, she left.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: So I don't think she cared. So she got her centerfold.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: So she wanted somebody to take her place, yeah.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: And she wanted that centerfold because at that time it
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: was such great publicity and it was such a great
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: launching pad for, acting roles being that Pam Anderson and
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: that and you guys were after Jenny McCarthy yeah and
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: so like.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah we kind of grew up with that so we
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: thought being a playmate you could be like the next
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Pamela Anderson or Anna Nicole Smith or somebody or.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Like an E! News reporter or whatever yeah yeah I
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: got it okay so that girl gets her centerfold it's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: over she's like see ya.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah she bails so she was happy somebody else was
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: moving in like there wasn't any like resistance she passed
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: the baton yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: So to speak totally.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: So, and then, so then when that happened, you get
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: in the groove and from what, like, tell me, like,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: then did you kind of just convince yourself that this was, like,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: a normal thing and.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: That it was okay? Or, like, when did you, did
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: you only recently realize, like, how fucked up it was?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I always knew, obviously, that the situation
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: was so far from normal. But I think that was
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: part of why I was able to make excuses for, like,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: his bad behavior in the relationship.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: How he treated me because I was already have the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: mindset like, well, this isn't going to be ordinary. And
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: this is kind of like a different special situation. But
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I would say I realized how messed up everything was
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: right when I decided to leave, which was like seven
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: years later. It's just because I kind of always blamed
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: all the problems on the other girls. Like, oh, there's
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: so much drama because we're all not getting along all,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: you know, but Hef's the good guy, poor Hef. That
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: was kind of always my mindset the whole time. But
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: when Bridget and Kendra left and it was just going
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: to be me and him, he just started lashing out
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: at me so much and became really verbally abusive. And
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I just realized like the girls were not the problem.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, some of them were the problem. Some of
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: them weren't so nice, but they weren't the problem the
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: whole time.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: He was the problem.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: So then I left and I tried to like file
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the experience away and just only think about the positive
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: things for a couple of years.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: But After a while, I.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Would just look back on it like anytime I needed
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to go like look at an old picture for reference
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: or something. And I would just see the fakest smile
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: on my face and just realize how miserable I was
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the whole time. And I knew I was miserable when
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I was there. It's just that I always blamed it
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: on the other girls. Like, we used to go out
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to lunch, you know, so nobody would, like, eavesdrop on
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: us in the house.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Just the two of you?
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we would go to lunch and just talk about, like, oh,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: my God, this is so miserable.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: This is so rough. While you're filming and stuff? Well,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: even before we were filming.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Because there was so much drama. So you had always
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: been friendly. Yeah, for sure. You were always good. We
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: were always close.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: Oh, okay.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: But I always thought, you know, if the other girls left,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: things would be great.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: That was kind of where my mindset was. Right. Until, like,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the last minute, and then I decided to leave.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about it all, which I'm sure
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: you guys reflect, is when you watch documentaries on cults
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: and polygamy and polygamous cults and how you just.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Keep rationalizing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you just kind of think it like that.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Or even if you're in a work situation where there's
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: a boss that kind of sets the tone so that
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: the minions or whatever... actually start infighting where they go
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: to lunch and they start talking about everybody but the
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: boss who's actually creating this environment.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: No it's purposeful because he never wanted all of us
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: to get together and be like you know what we
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: don't feel like going out tonight we just want to
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: stay in like he wouldn't want that he wanted us
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: competing against each other so we had to like go
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: along with what he wanted because everybody was trying to
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: one-up everybody.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Else right Okay, so now let's get to the play.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: So you guys are friendly.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: You're all living there with other people. You go out
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: one night a week or two nights a week. How
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: often are you like at a nightclub with a PR situation?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I'd say two nights a week.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Did it kind of calm?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: No, we didn't stop going out until after the show
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: started filming. We were still going out two nights a week.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: And because of that like PR situation, how did, I'm
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: assuming that's where someone got the idea of this is
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: a fabulous reality show.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Like, how did it come about?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Well, A & E originally wanted to do a show
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: because they were doing Growing Up Gotti at the time.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, I remember that show.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: So they wanted to do Growing Up Hefner about Hef's
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: two kids.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: The boys. Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: And Hef was like, no, I don't want to do that. Like,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not a PTA dad. Maybe they'll want to do
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: something else. So then the idea turned into let's do
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: a reality show about the staff at the mansion. So
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: they shot a pilot, which was supposed to be about
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the staff at the mansion. We were in it a
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: little bit, but it was more so supposed to be
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: about the staff. A & E decided they didn't want it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: They took it to E. Oh, they didn't want to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: do a whole thing about Mary?
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: No.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: So they took it to E. Mary, the booking secretary
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: or whatever. the butlers and stuff.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like prepping for parties. It was kind of like upstairs, downstairs.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Here's Hef and his girlfriends and all these party guests
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: and celebrities.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Like a Downton Abbey, but for the... Kind of, yeah.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: And then here's the staff trying to cater.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: To all their needs. Got it, okay. So they took
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: it to E.E.E.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: E.E.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Wanted it, but.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: An executive at E! said, I want it to be
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: about the girls, though. I want it to be through
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: their eyes.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Right, which is totally a smarter angle to go.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: So then how is it presented that, like, we choose you?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Because at that time now it is just the three
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: of you living there. Yeah, three of us. Oh, so
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: there was no, like, casting choices. No. You were the three.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: I was under the impression that there was, like, more
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: like five or six. And they found you guys. They
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: chose the three of you because you did have the
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: best personalities. To be the official girlfriends featured in the show.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: No, it was already narrowed down to three. So that's
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: just what it was.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: Oh, okay.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Okay. So how did they approach you? And were you nervous?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Or was this like a dream come true? Or what
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: was your thoughts? Well, we were not approached.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: No.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: We were just told. It was very much. We were
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: just told we were doing it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Like the way we were treated was kind of like
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: the way a YouTube family will just throw their kids
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: on the YouTube.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Like you're here. You're doing this.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: This is what you're doing. Like Hef even like walked
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: by me in the hall one morning and was like,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I've decided what your characters are going to be.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, okay.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, we were just told you're doing this.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: So unless we want to like move out and, like,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: start a life.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Change your life. Yeah, exactly. You have to go along
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: And they basically told us that if you don't like it,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: you know where the door is because there's lots of
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: people that would want your position.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: They didn't pay us for the first season.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we weren't paid.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Like, they paid us.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: When they ordered more episodes, they finally paid us, but they.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Didn't pay us. Very little. And what were they paying
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you for the second season? Do you recall? I don't remember.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: It was minimal, but it's not like I think I'm
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: this big star with huge bargaining power back then, but
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I just wanted what was fair. Like, it was just, like,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: a couple thousand bucks an episode or something.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I don't even think we were getting that.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: But just the fact that, Yeah, just the fact that
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: they didn't want to pay us anything and just expected
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: us to do it as.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: The main characters of the show. So you just signed
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: a release. Yeah, just a release. No contracts. Okay, so.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: And you're like, now they're coming in. They got the
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: mics on you. And that's when we get to see...
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: So at that time, it is on the show that
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: you share the room with Half and you're the main.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: And you... I just kind of remember, like, you having
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: your room and you had, like, a little dog. Later on,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I got the dog, yeah. A lot of pink. Okay,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and then.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Which also, too, is, like, such, like, a thing that, like...
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Such a 2000s reality TV trope. No, but, like, on
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: the dark side, like, a captive thing. Like, girls that are, like,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: held captive. It's, like, all they want is, like, a
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: little dog.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, I have four. You know what I mean? Like,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: all they want is just, like, their little, like, personal friend. Yeah.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Because it's, like... So, you have your room, and then
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Kendra has her room. Okay.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: And.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Now, what was your situation with your parents?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Were they excited about this?
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Were they okay that you were living this unconventional half-life
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: in the hopes that you'd be a.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Pathway to a bigger entertainment career? What were their thoughts?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were fine with me being at the mansion.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't tell them any details of what was going on.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I just don't have that relationship with my parents where
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I would ever talk about anything like intimate or anything
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: So before the show came out, they just thought you
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: were at the mansion as an aspiring model.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Well, as Hef's girlfriend. But I think a lot of people. Oh,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: they knew that you were romantic with him.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people back then thought it was
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: all publicity.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: That it was fake.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Like, it was kind of like, I would say the public,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: they were kind of split. Like, no way they're all
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: living there and not having sex. But also, no way.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: He's 75. This is all fake. Totally true.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Because it was such a big part of his publicity.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: And I think there's a lot of stuff throughout Hollywood
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: where you're like, even like Pete and Kim.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Great publicity stunt. I'm like, no. And they were definitely fucking.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: But like, did it... Was that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: did that contribute to them staying together? Did that, was
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: that a nice aspect of it?
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: But like, yeah, I think you're right with that. I
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: remember people always, that was like a discussion we'd have.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Any press I would do, they would ask, are you
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: sleeping with them? And if I said yes, they'd be like,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: there's no way he's sleeping with all you young girls.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: And then if I said no, they're like, there's no
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: way he's letting you girls stay there and you're not
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: sleeping with them. And I'm like, yeah, it doesn't, why
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: do I even bother answering this question?
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Yeah. Okay. So, so you tell, what
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: was your situation with your parents?
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: My parents were excited for me. They thought Playboy was
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: so cool, and they thought Hef was such a gentleman.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: They came up and visited quite a bit. Like, they
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: were very excited about it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: So neither of your parents had, like, any problem with
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: the fact that you were, like, nude models?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: No, you have to understand, like, I think both of
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: our parents come from the generation where, like, Playboy was, like,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: The classiest magazine. Like, they remember growing up, they remember
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: hearing about the Playboy clubs were, like, this chic place
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: So they thought it was cool.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: And I don't think we come from, like, super religious
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: families where they're, like, nudity. Like, yeah, it's kind of like, okay,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: like when you come from a small town, but not, like,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: a huge deal.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: But with the, on the secrets of Playboy, which I
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: thought was interesting, is that, like, then the fact, like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: just how you guys signed that release for the show,
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: that I thought that was so awful that these girls
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: did photo shoots and things with 1200 photos.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: And then like.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Years later, those photos were being used and people were
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: profiting off of them and they weren't.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: And you're like, Oh yeah, I guess that would happen.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: And as an actress and.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Stuff, cause you know, I, I, people don't understand how
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: hard it was like for us, you know, like to
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: get an agent and to do all this. And you,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: you're like, yeah, if, if I say no, if I,
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: then I'm deemed difficult and like, better that I just say, okay.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: You know, and like, at least I have a chance
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: if I act like, no, it's like, so of course,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: and what's like a young 21 year old going to
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: know about contracts and, uh, you know, do you have,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: do you own the intellectual property and.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: All this kind of stuff? So yeah, that's crazy.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: So when the show, so then when the show started,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: when it first aired, was it, how immediate was it
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: that you guys, um, started to, like notice how popular
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: it was and then it was like kind of life-changing?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Well, we knew it was popular because they would tell
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: us that the ratings were so great. Like every morning
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: after an episode would air, you know, there would be
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: like these mailboxes downstairs and they'd put a slip of
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: paper in Hef's mailbox and it would say what the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: ratings were. So they always checked on that. So I
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: knew it was a hit and I knew what like
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: E's standard of a.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Good rating was.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: But we didn't ever feel, I think, like extra famous
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: or anything while we were there because we always lived
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: in this bubble where we were so much in Hef's
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: shadow that That nothing really changed. Like, yeah, when we
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: went out, a few people like knew our names and stuff,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: but we just still kind of felt like we were
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: in health shadow. It just wasn't really that big of
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: a change for us, I think. I think the worst
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: part was. all of a sudden you're being talked shit
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: about online. And this was back in like the early
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: days of like message boards and stuff. I didn't know
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: everybody in the public I got talked shit about.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I thought it was just us.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my God, everybody hates us.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: This is the worst.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: It was like rough.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: The e-message boards were rough.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: The e-message boards were disgusting. What would they say that
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: was so mean?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Just, I mean, probably nothing that would be considered novel now,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: but just like gross stuff.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Like, oh my God, these whores. And they're so disgusting.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: And whores and just, you know, I mean, just everything
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: you could think of that they would say they said.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: And so now during that time, are all three of
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: you still having regular sex with him?
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: It stopped at some point.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Because the thing with him was the thing that kind
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: of drove him before was he was high off of
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: all like the attention of going out with like the
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: seven girlfriends and constantly trying to get new people upstairs constantly.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: But then when the show came along, he loved the show,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: obsessed with the show. It was such a big ego
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: boost for him that he didn't really care about going
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: out or trying to get new people to sleep with
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: him anymore.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: So everything really just calmed down.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just kind of set with the way
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: things were.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: So things changed a lot across the board.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: So you weren't bringing anyone new, but did the three
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: of you still have to bone him regularly?
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: No, it stopped after a while. So did you have
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: to bone him, Holly, regularly?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: No, that stopped after a while. Because I started working
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: at the Playboy studio, too.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And I had to be up, like, at the studio
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: at 8, leave the house at 7.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Because you'd work in helping build the magazine. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: So I would go to bed even before he would
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: go to sleep.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: There were a couple of times he would say, like, oh,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: maybe we should all– and Kendra and I would look
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: at each other and be like, no, we got– we're busy.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, we got to be up early. We're good. He
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: would say, maybe we all go out again or whatever?
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Well, like, he would say, like, maybe we should have
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: a picnic in the bedroom or something like that. Watch
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: a movie together or something. And Kendra and I would
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: be like– Oh, yeah. I've got that interview early in
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: the morning.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: No, not tonight.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: And so did you ever like the two of you
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: go out and be like, isn't this great that we
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: don't have to fuck them anymore?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: This is wonderful.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I'm loving that we like get to be on TV
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: and like just kind of have a more independent life or?
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I don't remember having that conversation.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: No, I don't remember ever.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: But it's something that we wouldn't have.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Even had to. I'll have a Chinese chicken salad. Ed,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: isn't this great? And we don't have to vote. Well,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: we were just like, isn't it great?
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: We don't have to deal with the drama with all
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: those other girls. That was more the thing that was
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: like on my mind and like the big deal. And
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: we were just so grateful that it was just the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: three of us and that we got along pretty well.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: We had the opportunities that the show brought us and
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: just the. We had wanted to be in the magazine
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: for so long, and we got to be in the
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: magazine like four times after the show started. So we
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: loved those opportunities. So just kind of everything about life
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: there kind of improved after the show came along.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: And then during those years, the magazines, which people still
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: bought magazines back then.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: They certainly don't now.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Those issues were doing probably great because you guys had
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: the show pushing it.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so... It goes on for– so.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Like you're like sleeping in that big brown headboard room.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Was it a waterbed? I always imagined it was. No,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: it looks like it though, doesn't it?
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Because it looks like it. It looks like that weather
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: would go around the waterbed. But it's not. Okay.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: And so you're in there every night still sleeping. At
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: some point, you never go, you know what? I bet
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: you'd sleep better if I wasn't in there. Like, you
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: never thought to try to get out of it because
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: you're no longer boned. Like, it goes years without boning him.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. And he still insists that you like sleep next
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: to him like a wife. Yeah.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Well, the last time I think I asked for a
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: room was maybe like before the show started. After all
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: those girls moved out, I'm like, hey, there's extra rooms.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Like maybe I could take the smallest one down the
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: hall just because to have more room for my stuff
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: or like have like a moment of privacy.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And he said no.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: And I was kind of conditioned not to ask for
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: things because he would get really angry, snap at me,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: just put me in tears sometimes when we'd have some discussions.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: So I wasn't really asking for a lot.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: When I lived there. And we mentioned the two boys.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: So how old were they then, his two sons with,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: what was that wife's name?
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Kimberly. Kimberly. And wasn't it that Kimberly and the boys
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: were like living in a house next door? Okay.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: And so how often would like those boys come around
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: and did you have any relationship with them?
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't say we had any relationship with them.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: They were probably like 10 or 11 when we moved in.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say like 9 and 11,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: something in there.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: And he used to have family night on tuesdays where
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: like the kids and kimberly would come over and they'd
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: like watch a movie and we just like steered clear
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and we didn't and.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Sometimes the boys would come over and run around the
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: property and like they they were like into kind of
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: trying to film little movies and writing little.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: But it was rare like i didn't see them around
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Not all the time but yeah they were here and.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: There and did you have any relation with kimberly No,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I thought she was so intimidating. I thought she was
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: so scary. Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Have you ever, like, did you ever talk to her since? Like, have, like,
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: a gab session after he died or after you were
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: broken up with him or anything?
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty safe to say we wouldn't get along.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: She led this whole thing after the A & E
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: documentary came out. She got all these people together to, like,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: sign a petition to say that, like, Hef's a great guy.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: So I don't think we'd get along. Oh, okay. Yeah.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I only talked to her like once the whole time
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I lived there. It was very early on after I
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: moved in. I was working out in the gym and
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: she was down in the gym and she just said, hi,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I'm Kimberly.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: And that was it.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: And do you think, why do you think, like, first
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: of all, why do you think they got married?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: And then why do you think they got divorced?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I think he was going through a lot in
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: his life. He just had a stroke. It was the 80s,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: like the AIDS crisis. Nobody's like having casual sex anymore.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: He's already old. There's no Viagra. It probably only made.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Sense for him. No, there's all these reasons.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm not even making excuses. Like, there's all these reasons.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Because he would always tell me that he'd been so
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: miserable being married. I'm like, well, why'd you get married then?
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, to the first wife, who's the mother of, like,
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: the girl, right?
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: No, the first wife was back in like the 50s. Right.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then his second wife, he got married in
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: the 80s, like 89. Right, but he has one daughter
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: from the first wife, right? A daughter and a son, yeah.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, so then he had all those years, and then
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: he marries Kimberly in 89.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: And they have the two boys, and then why do
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: you think they divorced? Was he just still wanting to,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: was that when Viagra came out, and then she didn't
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: want to be with a cheater?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Coincidentally, it was when Viagra came out, but I don't
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: think that's why I think I mean, I don't really know.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: You'd have to ask her.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: But I think Kimberly just wanted to, like, travel more
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: and do more things. And eventually there was a— from his
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: side of the story is there was a New Year's
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Eve party, and she left and took the kids to Hawaii,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: which I kind of find it hard to believe somebody would, like,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: do that last minute and just ditch somebody at a
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: New Year's Eve party. So I don't know what her
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: side of the story was. But his side of the
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: story was that he was, like, ditched at a New
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Year's Eve party.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. Yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: And, okay, so then— So the show goes on and
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: then where, how does it come to an end? And
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: so like for the three of you, I know it
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: went on for like one more season with those two
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: other girls. But like you guys were on it for,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: it went with you guys on it for how many years?
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Five seasons. Okay.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: And then how did it, and then did you all
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: three leave at the same time, the show?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: It ended up kind of being like that. Kendra kind
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: of stopped participating around season four. Like if you watch
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: season four, she's all of a sudden not really in
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: it as much.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: And wanted to go do her own thing.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: And wanted to go do her own thing. And E
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: decided to do a spinoff with her. And then Bridget
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: got a job doing a show for Travel Channel.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, I remember that.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: So you were going to leave and do that, but
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I kind of always felt like you would go do that.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: And you know when you're filming a really obvious show,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: you're really only filming like six months a year max.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I kind of felt like you– I don't know what
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: your plan was, but I kind of felt like you
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: would go do that and then come back and do
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Girls Next Door.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: I was thinking that too. Yeah. I kind of had
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: one foot out the door, like I was wanting to
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: date and stuff, so I was sort of thinking about
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: moving out, but I still thought there was time, and
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I would go film the beaches, come back, film Girls
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Next Door, go to beaches.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: And for me, you know, I had planned on staying.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I loved my job at the studio and everything, and they...
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: had planned on Girls Next Door just continuing and being
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: more inclusive of, like, the playmates and the girls at
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: the studio, and it would be kind of more about that.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: More like about the business. Yeah. Yeah. But I decided
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to leave.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Because after Bridget and Kendra left, things just got– I mean,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: there were other things, too. Like, I was getting a
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: little bit older, and I wanted to have kids, and
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Bridget and Kendra left, and Hef just got so hard
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: to deal with that I just– I couldn't do it.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I just left suddenly.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: And the producers of the show– sorry– And the producer
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: of the show was so mad at me because he
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: had planned on the show to keep going. And so
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: he was really angry I left, but I had to
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: do it. So that storyline that we would see that
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: was like, Holly is like, when am I getting my ring?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Why aren't I getting married? was that not true? Was
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: that not something you ever really wanted? Or was it
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: something like, I put in my years that I do
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: want to get married. I do want to be Mrs.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Hefner. No, I did want it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: But I will say that I played into it on
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: the show more and they love to repeat things. So
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I swear I'm not that obnoxious in real life. Like
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not like, when are we getting married? But I
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: thought it was kind of funny on the show to
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: joke about it. Like if I was throwing a baby
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: shower and I had a baby outfit, I was like, Oh,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: this is cute.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I wish I could have one.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Like, I said that kind of stuff thinking it would
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: be funny on the show, and it was.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Right. And it kept up with the drama, too. So
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: it was true, but I'm not that annoying. I swear
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: to God. Yeah.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: So when did you, like, okay, so you're doing the
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: travel show. And then the show ended as the three girls. Like,
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: how did that happen?
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Because you did say, I want to move out. I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: am done with you.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm done. I'm moving out. And what was
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: that day that you finally were, like... This is it.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: I know what day it was. Well, I don't actually
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: know the date.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what I mean? Like, what was
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the moment? That, like, aha moment. This is it. I've
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: thought about it for a long time. And this is it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: And this is why. And I'm not turning back. Like,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: what was that?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: It was a lot of things leading up to it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Like I said, with the relationship. And, like, we'd done
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: in vitro.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, you had? Yeah.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: This was the real deal.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: With Hef's sperm?
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: And it didn't work. Yeah, was that on the show?
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: It wasn't on the show because we wanted to keep
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: it secret because, you know, when you're trying to get pregnant,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: you don't want to like necessarily.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, some people do.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: But I mean, I feel like that now is the
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: storyline for every reality show is someone freezing their eggs
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: or going through in vitro.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: But if you watch the show, there's reference to it.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Like in season four, I'm leaving to go to Jamaica
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: and I go, you know, saying, oh, if we got married,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't go on so many trips. Not that I'm
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: even going on so many trips. I was going one
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: trip for my sister's wedding and like seven years.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Of living there. But.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: And then he goes, well, let's work on the baby first.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: And that was while we were doing in vitro. So
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: he makes comments, but like we hadn't come out and
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: like said anything.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: And not only that, but I did the egg retrieval
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: while we were doing it. And I wanted it to
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: be on the show because I thought it was really important,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: especially back then. People weren't really talking about it yet.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: And they refused to show it because it showed me
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: thinking of a life that wasn't revolving around the mansion.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they wouldn't even show that I was in real
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: estate school because they wanted it to look like I
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: had no outside aspirations besides Heff.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were supposed to look like we were never
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: going to leave there, that this was our life and forever.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: So did you actually do it in vitro, like the
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: embryo winning you?
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: No, because his sperm didn't work.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask. I'm like, yeah. Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: So was it shocking when you heard in the Secrets
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: of Playboy that the one twin– so then the twins
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: came after you. The twins came after that. You're featured
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: in the Secrets of Playboy. And one of the twins
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: says she got pregnant by having the regular sex with
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Hef and went forward with an abortion.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: What is your thoughts?
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Did that surprise you then?
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm never going to say I don't believe anybody's
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: story because I wasn't there and anything can happen. But
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: it's surprising, you.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Know, considering what I know. It's surprising for any man
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: that age. Yeah.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: For any man that age. And then after he's already done,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: tried to do the in vitro stuff. Right. And it
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: was unsuccessful.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: But anything can happen.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: But yeah, you just never know.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't like it when people come for my
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: story and say, well, I was there in the 70s
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't like that. I'm like.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: You don't know, you weren't there when I was there.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: I always say whenever someone says that, I'm like, you know,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there were a million waiters in Best Boys
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: that said OJ Simpson was the nicest guy in the world.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: There probably still are.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: Because someone's experience doesn't mean that their experience wasn't their experience.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: But just because you had a great experience with someone
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean that that person's story is not true. And maybe,
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: you know, and also with a situation like that, a
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: guy like Hef or a guy, you know, they know
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: who to pursue and who to just be like, hey,
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: hope you had a good time at the party.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Bye-bye.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Who's the vulnerable one? Who's the one that can be manipulated?
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Especially a guy that's been doing it for 80 fucking years.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: They're really good at it at that point of choosing
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: who's going to be accommodating and who's not.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you never saw anybody in the group when we
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: were there that ever had any wealth or career or
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: really anything like that it was always girls who are
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: hard up that.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Didn't have anything to fall back on right that yeah
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: that are are gonna put up with it because what
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: would they do yeah you know um so in in
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: doing this were you able to stop like sock some
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: money away because you said now they're paying you a
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: little bit and um I know when Kendra was here
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: she was like she was able to make a little
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: bit of money doing like appearances and stuff and that
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: she was kind of trying to save, but then they
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: would try to take that. Like they would, they didn't
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: like that, that you could like go make a, do
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: a club appearance for five grand or whatever. So did
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: you guys find that to be the case as well?
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I definitely did save a ton of money and
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I started investing in real estate. Like I went to
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: school for real estate investment. So I was always watching
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: my back and trying to like build a future for
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: myself because, you know, you always kind of felt, too,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: at the mansion, like the rug could be pulled out
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: from you at any moment.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Or he could die at any moment, you know? Right,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: and if he died, it's not like you were, like,
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: in a will. Yeah, you weren't a wife. You didn't
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: have a kid with him. So, yeah, you'd just be screwed. Like,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: they'd probably be, like, knocking on your door the next day.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Pack up your little dog and, like, yeah. Yeah.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: So you come back and you guys are all like, okay,
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: you've got your travel show.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: You've got stuff cooking.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: You're like, OK. And when you tell him. So what
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: was the day? Oh, the day.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: OK, so it's all this stuff leading up to it.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: So I was kind of ready to go anyway. But
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I was in Vegas working on a playmate shoe and
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I went out to eat with somebody whose name I'd
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: rather not mention. But when I was talking to this
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: guy who I thought was cute and realized, oh, I
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: could have feelings for this guy, like nothing happened. But
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I realized I can have feelings for this guy. And
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: then Hef called the next morning and was like, I
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: had security following you the whole time. You need to
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: get back here.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I can't do this.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I can't. Like, it's done today. So you go to, like,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: a lunch. You have, like, a little flirty lunch, but
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: nothing happens. And you find out later you had no
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: idea that you were being followed and, like, under surveillance.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. That is so creepy. Yeah, it's so creepy.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: And so how old are you at that point? I
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: was 29.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: And, um, so when you, so then you're like, so
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: then you, so how do you tell him I'm done?
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Well, the next day I told him, you know, I
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: think I'm moving out. You know, I, you know, I
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: want to get married and have kids someday. Like that's
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: an easy excuse to give.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: It's true.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: And it's something he can't do like physically. Um, And
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: he didn't want to let it go. He kept trying
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: to convince me to stay. He even did put me
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: in his will, left the will on my side of
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: the bed so I could see it.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: And what did it say?
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: That I'd get $ 3 million when he died. But, you know,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: my mind was made up and I packed up my
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: stuff and I left.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: And.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, so then you go– one of the things from
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: the show, as I remember it, is that you guys
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: did have– I want to say maybe it was one episode,
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: but I feel like there were several episodes where you
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: guys did go to Vegas as a foursome. You know,
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: on the Playboy, go to the Playboy suite and everything
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: at the Palms.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: But we had to fly right back and be home
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: by 9 o'clock.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Even if he was with you or not if he
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: was– Oh, not if he was with us. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: he would go sometimes.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: And I remember that was the first time, the 9
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: o'clock thing, and I just thought that was so weird.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: And then, like, Kendra said that, you know, because there
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: was the 9 o'clock curfew, she still kind of dated.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: But she'd have to, like, do it in the afternoon. Like,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: you could go off and do lunch and stuff.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: You could do whatever you wanted during the day, but
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: you had to be home by 9 o'clock. And Kendra
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: was hardly ever around during the day.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: But do you... And obviously security wasn't following you guys then.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Otherwise, he would have known. I mean, they could have been. But, yeah,
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: he would have known.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: They might have been.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I always felt like Hef kind of knew Kendra wasn't
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: going to stick around that long, though. So maybe he
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: did know. I think he did know. I'm pretty sure
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: he did know. Because of some security he did have
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: with her on some trips. I think he knew, but
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: just was like, whatever, it's working for the show.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: So you get your variety show at the Planet Hollywood.
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: And they also say, we'll follow you that, follow the cameras.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: You have a reality show part of it, right?
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: They were filming it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to do a spinoff about my life
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: in Vegas and I was just shopping it around with
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: a manager. But then when he expressed interest because of
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: the contracts we had to sign before season five of
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Girls Next Door, I had to do it with the
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: same production company that did Girls Next Door. That was
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: locked in according to the contract.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: So I think.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Kevin, the producer, was excited about doing my show once
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: it started, but he hated me in.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Between Girls Next Door and that show.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Like, he used to write open letters to the message board, like,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: just making me sound like a horrible person.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: From him?
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, he signed it. Like, I could go online and
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: find it. Stacey put it on her blog.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: And what was he basically saying?
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: He was saying that I had been over Hef for
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: years and that I was dating this other guy behind
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: his back the whole time, which wasn't true, and that
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I was mad because I didn't get my own spinoff,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: which nobody was ever talking about. He was just trying
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: to make me sound like the villain, like I ruined
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: So when it ended for you, then you were doing
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: the travel thing. And how often were you guys all talking?
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: At this point, was Kendra not really close to you
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: guys anymore? Or did you.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Go to her wedding? Yeah, you know what? When we
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: were leaving, I loved Kendra.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I thought that we had had kind of our sibling
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: rivalry while we were there.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: But I felt like after she was with Hank, she
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: just seemed so much more mature and so happy. And
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like we were all three just so happy
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: for each other.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: And the direction our lives were going.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: We all got together to do commentary for seasons four
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: and five of Girls Next Door after we moved out.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: And you can even hear in the commentary, we're just
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: getting along. We're all happy for each other.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: So that was then. And we were in the wedding.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: You were in the wedding.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: We were in the wedding. We stayed in contact. I
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: threw her baby shower.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: And so what happened then?
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: Was it that when you wrote your book, Down the
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Rabbit Hole, and you became pretty frank about things? Is
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: that when she kind of was like, I disagree and
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: cooled on you?
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Hanging out?
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: No, it was before then because I was doing my spinoff.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: She was doing her spinoff. We have Kevin, the producer,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: doing both. But was her spinoff, was Ani too?
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Ani. Okay.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: So he's doing the spinoffs. And then, and I write,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I go into more detail about her on my book.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: But things got weird with me and Kendra, and I
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: felt like he was encouraging that. Like, he wanted us fighting.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: He wanted drama. He wanted me to come on her
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: show and, like, brag about how much money I was
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: making in Vegas so she'd get a little poke in
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: the ass to take more jobs to make her show
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: more interesting.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's what he told me.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: And things got weird between us, and it got to
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: the point eventually where I had a falling out with
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: that producer. I was on the phone screaming with him,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: and he admitted to me that he Wanted us to
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: not get along because he thought it would be good publicity.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't want any part of that bullshit.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm pregnant. I don't want to be stressed out.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be fighting with people and looking
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: like shit and tabloids for publicity that benefits your dumb show.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Like, bye. Yeah.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: And so by the time I wrote this, I was mad.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I was mad at him. I was mad at Kendra.
• 56:54
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: Okay, so then the next book came out, The Vegas Diaries,
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: and in this, where are you in your life talking
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: about what's going on here at this point?
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was talking about my life in Vegas and
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: just lessons I learned dating, but I don't drop names
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: or anything like that.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and at this point you're married when you write
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: the second book.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I was married when I wrote the first one, and
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: my husband was always super supportive of me telling the
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: truth about my experience.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: So then when did you guys– now, what's your situation?
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Are you single? What's happening, Bridget?
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: No, I met somebody almost right away. I actually met
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: him at the mansion, and we've been dating ever since.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: We've been together for 14 years.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: So you're like a Goldie Hawn and– Like, do you
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: think you'll ever get married or why get married?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to. We've been engaged. There's, like, a
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: lot of reasons why we haven't done it yet. But, yeah,
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: we plan to for sure.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: But you don't have kids?
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: No.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: And you guys live here in L.A.? Mm-hmm. Okay, perfect.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: What did you think of the Secrets of Playboy? Because
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: you were not a part of it, right?
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: I did do one day of interviewing. They put almost
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: nothing that I– That I said in there, my experience
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: and looking back on my experiences with Hef and the
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: mansion are pretty positive. I would say 98% of it
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: is positive. There were a few stories that I had
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: of things that I didn't think were quite right or whatever.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: And those are the only stories that they used and
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: they used them to pretty much like kind of.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Back up what I was saying, back up Holly's stories.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Which was what?
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Barely in it.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Basically what?
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: I didn't watch it, so I didn't see which ones
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: they chose.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't even watch my episode. I've watched, they did
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: 12 episodes. I watched all of them except episode two
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: just because I don't want to watch myself talk about
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: my trauma again.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I can't take it.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: But every other episode I watched, and it came out
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: over the course of 12 weeks, I had nightmares after
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I watched them.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: It's intense. You know what? I feel like I did too.
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: It's not like I was ever there. Because being that
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: it was once a week and it's like, It drags
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: on the suspense. You can't binge it.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: It's interesting, like, because there's all these, like, documentaries. And
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: I was joking the other day on my show. I'm like,
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: isn't it weird that we grew up, like, never watching
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: a documentary, and now that's all... anybody talks about or watches?
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: And so it's like, when you watch, like, a documentary that's, like,
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: a three-part or four-part, and you watch it all in
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: one night, and it's disturbing, you're like, whew! Like, you
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: have one bad, and then you forget it. But this was, like,
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: every week.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: And then they even are, like.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Adding stuff.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now we have another one. People came forward and, like...
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: And it was just, like, traumatic. It was really traumatic,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: even for people that, like, have nothing to do with it.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: I didn't watch it, but I still got messages about it,
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: and people I knew were watching it and telling me things.
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: And there'd be, like, little snippets on, like, news outlets,
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: and I'd just be like, oh, I don't want to
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: know this stuff.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: And so what about when, what did you think when
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: he married his last wife, Crystal?
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many things to think. There was
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: the whole runaway bride debacle.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Right. So what happened? They were engaged, but then she bailed. Bailed.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: And then they got married.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Wasn't it like the night before the wedding or something?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: It was something crazy like that.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Or something like right before. And it was a lifetime special. Yeah.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: So it bailed on the whole TV show and everything.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, it was going to be. I thought you were
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: just saying it's like a Lifetime movie. No, it really
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: was going to be a filmed Lifetime special.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: And she really just left the day before. And then,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: this is like vaguely coming back to me. And then
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: what happened?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Then how later did she come back then?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: I think maybe a year or two. I'm not really
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: sure on the timeline.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, I thought it was quicker than that, but I
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: don't remember either.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: And then, so she was with him all the way
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: until the end, until he passed.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: And- And then she did a tweet that went quite
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: public because she tweeted to you about the fact that
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: it got revealed in the Secrets of Playboy that there
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: were video cameras in the room. And so there were
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: all this footage.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: I hope there weren't video cameras in the room.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe not video. Photos. Sorry.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: Photos.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: There were photos of all you guys. And then she said,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: I did find all the photos. And I threw them out.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Thank God.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: And that was also kind of nice, because otherwise she
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: didn't participate in this.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which I can understand why. Well, it's scary. I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: didn't even want to do it.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: I admire the director's work, and we'd had some amazing,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: really long conversations about it. But for the longest time,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to do it, because I'm like, I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: already wrote my book. I said what I need to say.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Sitting down and doing a day... I did two interviews
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: with them and one of them lasted all day. And
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I just don't want to sit and talk about my
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: trauma again. Like I did not want to do it.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Eventually I finally decided to do it just because I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: knew so many other women were coming forward and I
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: know what it feels like to come forward and not
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: have anybody have your back. So I wanted to be
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: supportive of that. But, but even after that I was
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: scared cause I'm like, how are they going to edit me?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Are they going to make me sound like I said
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: something I didn't say? So it was, it was scary.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Like I had very mixed feelings going into it.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: And, um, Yeah.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think she's like living a great life now.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: And I mean, she seems happy with some cute young guy.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I went on Instagram. I'm like, wow, that's a switch.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Let's talk about the girls next level and like what
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: you've recorded and what you've like. Just talk about it,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: like what you think, because I think it is such
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: a cool reflection, really.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Well, it started out with Holly doing YouTube videos.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had people request on my YouTube channel, like,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: react to an episode of Girls Next Door. So I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: did a couple. The first three were hard to watch.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: And you know now, going back and watching them, it's
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: really emotional. Like, I feel like we were done so
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: dirty in those first couple of episodes.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: How is it, tell me, Bridget, like, how is it
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: when you look at it?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: Like, what?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Because you just went, like, you just, like, had a
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: visceral reaction.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: Because Holly warned me that the first three episodes were
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: really hard to watch. And when she said that, I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: thought she just meant, like... kind of just getting used
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: to watching them again. And once you get past, like,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: three episodes, you're good. I didn't realize until I just
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: watched them, not... I just watched them, not last night,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: but the night before. And I'm still traumatized. Like, I'm
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: sick to my stomach.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: I can't sleep. I've been crying.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Really? What makes you sick to your stomach?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: The way we were portrayed. And I just.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: And how were you portrayed that wasn't real for you?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: For me?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Or for both of us?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: How do you feel that you were portrayed... And it's
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: upsetting you because that wasn't your authentic self.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: If you want, I could jump in with one thing
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: you did in that episode if it's easier.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That I think is messed up.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: They make it look like Bridget is, like, plying all
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: the new playmates with drinks to, like, mess them up
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: for their shoot the next.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Day because she's jealous.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Which isn't what she said at all, but they cut
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: and paste it so it looks like she's literally trying to, like,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: shove shots in everybody's face because she wants to sabotage.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: And I think that's messed up and... Borderline illegal.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: And what I was talking about in that.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if it's not true, that's just shitty.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's absolutely not true. And I don't plan
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: the going out schedule or how much girls drink. I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: have no control over that stuff. But what it boils
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: down to is that I had wanted Playmate so bad,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: like way long before I'd even been to the mansion.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: I tested before I even lived at the mansion. And
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: I was talking about my insecurities with that and how
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: jealous that I was when I see all these girls
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: coming and going and getting it and making Playmate of
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: the Year and all this stuff. And it's really, really
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: hard to watch. And so I can't help but be
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: critical sometimes of them. Like, oh, she kind of has
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: a bad boob job or maybe her hair needs to
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: be different, whatever. And they just took that and made
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: it look like I was ridiculing everybody that came, that
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: I was just this jealous bitch, that I was getting
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: people drunk and sabotaging their pictorials. And And even little things, too.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: There was tiny things that at first, when I was
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: first watching it, I was like, oh, they're just trying
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: to be funny in the edit, but... Like, I would
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: joke with somebody. A girl came in wearing a similar
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: dress to me, and I was like, she's like, oh,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: I hope you don't mind. And I say, no, I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: totally mind.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Take it off.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: And then I laugh, and we're just joking because we're
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: really great friends. But they take out the laugh in
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: that I'm just joking, and it shows me saying, no,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: I want you to take it off. And just leaving
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: it at that. And just like, and they were, and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: at first I thought, it's just a reality show, so
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to like, you know what I mean? Like,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: they do stuff like that. But then when you start
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: seeing it consistently to her and I.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: And only us. They never did that to Kendra.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: Ever.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: So we are immediately, immediately in episode one being made
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: out to be the bitches.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Right. That is true.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: And maybe that was the half character thing. When he said,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: I have your characters planned. Do you recall what? He
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: wanted your characters to be.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think that part came from him. I think
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: that came from the executive producer. And that's confusing, too,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: because we went on to feel like we had a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: close friendship with Kevin. And now as we get older
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: and look back and see what he did, it's really
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: it's a bad feeling. But Hef wanted me to be
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: completely devoted to him. He was like, you're the one
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: who cares about me. Bridget's the one who wants a career.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: And Kendra's the one who wants to have fun. Like
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: that was his idea of what our characters were. But
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: I think it was more the producer who wanted the
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: drama and wanted us to look mean and, you know,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: didn't care.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: So Holly, I haven't watched all the episodes. She has
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: because she's been doing the YouTube videos. But I've only
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: watched up to episode three right now. And I am traumatized.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: You know, when I did those first reaction videos, I
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: was telling the viewers, I'm like, I don't know if
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: I'm going to continue these because they're not great for
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: my mental health. Like, I just come off watching, like,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: The Secrets of Playboy, and then I'm watching this, and
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't have the bandwidth for this.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: That's what I told Holly. I said, I don't know
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: if I can keep watching these. I'm literally sick over this.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: And she was like, no, it gets better, I swear.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: And I was like, I think I need to go
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: to bed. And so I, like, went to bed early.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: I thought maybe if I just sleep on it in
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: the morning, I'll feel better about it. I woke up
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: the next morning. I was– yesterday– sick to my stomach.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Do you have dreams? I couldn't sleep. Do you have dreams?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Are you a dreamer that has vivid dreams?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: I rarely remember my dreams.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Very rarely.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Do you have vivid dreams?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: I had a nightmare. I was back at the mansion
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: every single night after Secrets of Playboy.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: Because sometimes when I either read something or something's on
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: my mind, I have very vivid dreams where I can
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: remember the next day and I'm like, Oh, my God.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Like, bitch, get out of my dream. Like, why did
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: you come back? Like, what the fuck? Like, I haven't
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: thought about you in, like, three years. Like, what the hell?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: But something will happen, and that person's there, and it's, like,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: very strange how that works. Yeah.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: I was just like, I don't know if I can
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: do this. And she's like, I swear it gets better.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: So I'm hoping. I'm hoping it gets better from here.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: It'll probably be a good, like, therapeutic end-in-the-end therapy. kind
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: of fun, hopefully.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, I think it will, especially us being able
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: to talk together and being able to be so candid
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: on a podcast. Like you can't say anything really on
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: YouTube without getting flagged. So that's what inspired me to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: do the podcast is there's so much more I wanted
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: to say that you can never say on YouTube without
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: getting your channel shut down.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: So she called me one day and she was like,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: you know, I've been doing these on the YouTube, but
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: there's so much more.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I want to say.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Would you ever be willing to like do a podcast
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: about it? And I was like, And like I said,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: my whole experience looking back on it is like 95%, 98%, whatever, positive.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: I don't have ill feelings to Kendra or Hef or
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Kevin or anybody. And so I was like, yeah, I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: totally would do it.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: And sometimes time, you know, it's like time heals all wounds.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it is the time. Like sometimes it does take
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: a long time to get over something, especially when it's
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: a relationship and work. And in the big, you know,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: public eye. It's like a three-fold, you know. Would, when
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: you guys were, like, at the mansion doing stuff, would any, like,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: of these old crony friends of his, would they ever, like,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: hit on you or be like, can you bring a
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: girl for me or anything?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: They definitely knew not to come anywhere near any of
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Hef's girls.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: There was, like, a golden rule. They were barely allowed
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: to talk to us.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: And what did you think of that part in... in it? Oh, God.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: In the secrets. It was just like coming to me.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: There's so much. Where the, like, the doctor that you
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: said you met the doctor. The doctor.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: And there was like, I want to say I saw
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: it on there, like that the daughter thought maybe they
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: had a romantic relationship, Hef and the doctor. Like there
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: was things that came in later that like, I remember
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: hearing like that he, when he was having sex, had
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: male porn on and that kind of thing, which kind
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: of came out later.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: What did you think of all those stories?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I think maybe they were both in the same
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: orgy in the 70s or something like that.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: But when I was with Hef, I always really liked
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: his doctor.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: And I never sensed, like they were close friends, but
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: I never sensed anything like romantic or sexual between them.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: And I always felt like the doctor was super supportive
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: of my and Hef's relationship too.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: But also like things change over the decades. Like things
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: might have been completely different in the 70s than they
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: were in the 2000s.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: So I don't know what went on back then. Right.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: They might have had some special... Bond.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe they grew out of it and the relationship evolved.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: Or maybe it was one of those things that because
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: he saw himself as such like a sexual revolution.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe he tried it.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, he definitely tried it.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Like he's admitted to that. So he's tried. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. But yeah. Yeah. But that was
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know about him and his doctor. Yeah. Yeah. Oh,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: my God. But it's crazy because.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: If you like Google or like I Googled something about
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: it and then an article came up that was like
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: the love of Hef's life and it showed a picture
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: of the doctor. And I'm like, he would turn in
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: his grave. It was just so weird.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: Well, tell everybody where they can follow you guys and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: listen to the show and all of that.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: You can find Girls Next Level anywhere you find podcasts.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: You can follow Girls Next Level underscore podcast on Instagram.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: I'm Holly Madison on Instagram. She's Bridget Marquardt on Instagram.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: And it was so great. I've had such a good time.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: Thank you for being like letting me like ask all
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: the juicy questions and answering them all and being canics.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: I think it's so interesting and I'm excited for this.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: I think it'll be a big hit.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 1:11:13
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