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JFK Assassination - Ep. 263 - Some Lucky Martins · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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And you week ago and here we know it's right. What's up, everybody?
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Welcome to the show. This is the Lone Gum And Podcast episode number
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two hundred and sixty three, entitled some Lucky Martins because there were some lucky
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ones today on the show. We're gonna get into four different or four more
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Martins. Hold on, go all a loop? God, Yes, here
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we go. Sorry about that, folks. We're still learning this whole thing
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here and a lot of people. We are getting slightly better. I see
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there's a ton of people in the chat already, some new faces. So
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what is up everybody? Thanks for hanging out with us and h without further
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ado, Joe, you got anything else you want to say before we jump
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right in? No, I uh, well, I do want to say
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that I enjoyed our quick Hits yesterday. It was amazingly funny and we have
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a very interesting show for you today and just want to thank all the people
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that have watched supported us. And you know, we're pushing seven hundred views
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for the Jacks episode and over six hundred for the Jung So things are going
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well. We are making progress and more exciting things to come. That's right.
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And for those of you don't know what Joe's referring to. It's the
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most recent episode of Quick Hits number fifty. I have not gotten up on
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our YouTube feed yet, but it is coming. But if you want to
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listen audibly, feel free to head over to the The Lonnguman podcast spreaker page
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or wherever you listen to it at Spotify, iTunes, whatever, and make
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sure you check out an episode of fifty or Quick Hits that we do with
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our buddy Doug. All right, Joe, let's get right into the show
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here. We figured we could group a couple of these in together because there's
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just there's not a whole lot on them. There's some of these Martins we
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dive into and you just hit a brick wall and that's all there is to
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them. What we wanted to include in the entire presentation and this is and
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there's people like this that we didn't get a chance to actually put into our
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Lancer presentation that we're going to bring you here today. So all this is
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going to be new information. So to start it off with, I want
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to talk a little bit about a Martin by the name of John Martin,
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and we don't have a picture of John Martin, because he goes all the
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way back to I believe it was nineteen thirty nine, nineteen forty. In
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December of nineteen thirty nine, the secretary and treasurer of the Local two four
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sixty seven Scrap Iron and Junk Waiste Handlers Union, a guy by the name
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of Cook, Leon Cook, was mortally shot by the union's president, John
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Martin. And you might think, okay, well, what's the have to
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do with the Kennedy assassination. Well, Cook lingered about until January until he
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eventually passed away from his wounds. John Martin was acquitted in court, and
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not long after that was ousted by Paul red Dorfmann, who would emerge in
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the public eye ten years later as a power behind the rise of James Riddle
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HAFA of the Teamsters. Right So, according to the Warren Commission Report in
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volume twenty two, they indicated that an extensive search of police records did not
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reflect any reference to Jack Ruby or Jack Rubinstein, or to the murder of
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Leon Cook. Of course not. Jacob Rubinstein did not legally change his name
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to either Jack or Ruby until eight years after the shooting of Cook, whose
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surname came with an E and not how they spelled in the Warren Commission,
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which was with noe. So just how extensive of the search did the Warren
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Commission do? Well, they didn't have to look too far In the newspaper
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mortar of the Chicago Tribune dated December ninth, nineteen thirty nine, indicating that
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police were questioning the newly named secretary Treasurer Okay of the Scrap, Iron and
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Junk Waste Handler's Union newly named Treasurer Jacob Rubinstein, and a call to the
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State Attorney's office in Springfield, Illinois would have revealed that during Ruby's first year
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as the locals moneyman, the state of Illinois had seized the books and confiscated
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the charter of Local two four sixty seven on the grounds that it wasn't a
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union but in fact a fraud, a front for organized crime. So we
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have the president of the John Candler's Union shooting the former secretary treasurer of which
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Jack Ruby became after Cook passed away. So very interesting stuff here. Also
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the Tribune article, complete with the banner headline stating attorney shot union Row reported
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that Cook had been shot in the back the night before and then another union
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official, John Martin, was being sought as his assailant. Had also noted
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that Cook was an alleged bootlegger whose handling of the union finances was under investigation.
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According to the report, much the information was obtained from Jack Rubinstein,
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secretary of the union. Rubenstein was absent at the time of the shooting,
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allegedly beneath the photograph of Jack Ruby wearing a dark hat and suit similar to
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the ones he wore as he murdered Lee Harvey Oswald. Twenty two years later,
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the Tribune noted Jack rue Einstein was seized for questioning, while Ruby's associate,
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John Martin, was later convicted for the Leon Cook murder, which led
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to the Paul Dorfmann's takeover of the Union and subsequent power in establishing the HAFA
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Empire. The Warner report never cited Ruby's exact relationship to the episode in evaluating
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his associations. So imagine that one other thing I did find about this Johnny
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Martin, and it actually associates him with the mafia in Chicago, and not
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just as a Teamster president. There was a rat, a rat by the
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name of Jimmy the Weasel. Frediano Okay, and they didn't call him the
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weasel because he was a rat. They called him the weasel because he ran
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like a weasel and he had a very high pitched, squeaky voice. But
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the moniker would later fit. But Fratiano, okay, earned his nickname from
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running like a weasel from a pursuing police officer. Though like Benjamin Bugsy Sieguel,
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he was seldom called him. He was seldom called that to his face.
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He began working in gambling at age fourteen under the aegis of Johnny Martin,
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and within three years was Martin's equal partner in his operation near the Fisher
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Body Auto plant in Chicago. Fratiana would later go on to sell out a
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lot of his allies in the mafia, and he would enter the federal Witness
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Protection program and testify against his former family, breaking the vow he had made
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some twenty six years earlier. So yeah, that was a rat. He
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also helped co author the Book's Last Mafiosa and Vengeance Is Mine, where you
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can read more about the Weasel Joey Fraddiano and his association with Johnny John Martin
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and the Union and this whole ruby mess. Now I did see something out
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there where they alleged that Jack Ruby was the one that shot Cook. But
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I never found any any corroboration, a proof for that. And that's about
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it for Teamsters John Martin. Loose association, but an association nonetheless. Folks,
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Thank you, Colonel reb Yes, thank you, thank you for the
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super chat my friend. Always appreciated, always appreciated, Yes, sir,
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And it is a very interesting story, obviously, with these connections to the
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mafia and and the team stirs and I believe this was back in the Chicago
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days. Is that correct? Wrong? Yeah? Yeah, we're talking late
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thirties, early forties. And I just saw Roger, who does all the
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music here at the Londoming podcast his comment halfa could be buried in one of
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Jim du genias. I agree, Roger, that might be a good place
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to look. Yes, and thank you Roger for the instrumental. Jim d
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that wasn't his instrumental. Oh, you gave me false information. I didn't.
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I give you correct information, but you did not process it correctly.
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Oh, that is a common thing that happens in the assassination community. But
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explain it further then he is working on it, Yes, to replace the
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lame ass music that we have now got. Don't attribute that lame ass music.
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I actually want to dare you know. I wanted to make sure that
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and confirm that it wasn't his lame music, because his music is not lame.
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So okay, So we started with a John Martin from Chicago teams to
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that was associated with Ruby, and now we're going to move on to before
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we do. Thank you PSV Odyssey for the super chat. Much appreciated.
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Yes, James Tim Ashley, what is up, folks? Ev is in
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here tiny dancer? Yes, So I thought it would be appropriate to go
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to another John Martin, although he was commonly known as Johnny Martin and he
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was involved with the Audio Sisters. One of our graphics I showed in the
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beginning was of Sylvia Odio that was in the graphic. This is another one.
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She is obviously a very beautiful lady and was the received a lot of
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visitors during No she was dope, yeah, and she received a lot of
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visitors of callers, callers, visitors. But actually the Martin we're going to
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be talking about is mister Johnny Martin, and this Martin has a very interesting
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story. I am going to read from Sylvia Odio's HSCA interview in January of
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nineteen seven. Me six and this is this is funny. So they were
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talking about the visit from the Three Gentlemen and Leon and she stated that remind
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Sylvia Odio stated that reminded her of Johnny Martin. Johnny Martin quote came out
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of nowhere, out of the blue. Sorry. She said, that was
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a very strange thing. I don't know how he got involved with my sister
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Sirita, how he was introduced to her. The strange thing about him was
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that his family lived somewhere in the Latin American country and he had this laundry
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coin operated business, and that he operated. He would tell Sirita to bring
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her clothes there and wouldn't charge her. So do you think there was some
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smelling of some undergarments there? Rob easy, Joe, that's a family show
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now. Sorry. He already said he came out of nowhere, I mean,
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come on. And then Serita brought him over to our house and we
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started talking about a lot of things. He was very clever and we were
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very young, and soon he was telling us he could get us arms for
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our movement, which was of course Jurrey, and it continues. I got
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in contact with Eugenio Cesceinnarios, it says in quotations, and he told me
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he was coming to Dallas to meet mister Johnny Martin. Martin says he always
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seemed to be broke, yet he had a lot of contacts in the Latin
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American governments, so that raises a few red flags for me. He was
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actually from Uruguay, and I found a little clip it in John Armstrong's book
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Harvey and Lee, which you know a lot of people either agree or disagree
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with, but I don't think there's any debate that he was a tremendous researcher.
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And I will read from a person. He interviewed doctor Augustine Guitar.
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He okay, hold on one second. You know, if you get a
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little closer to the camera, you might be able to read it. Yeah.
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No, it's it's, of course one of those documents that's like copied
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over ten times, so it's ten like a million times hard as to read,
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Okay, he stated, I know I'm used to it because I'm looking
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close to try to read this document. He stated that Sylvia Odio parents prior
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to the rise of Castro maintained an excellent reputation in Cuba, and that he
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can considered Sylvia to be a highly to be highly intellectual who had made in
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who had maintained an excellent reputation, and her father, who owned some type
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of like trucking company in Cuba, a large trucking company, was a millionaire.
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So when you think about it, these exiles who are looking for funds
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for their causes, the Odios, the sisters Serita and Sylvio would have been
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great people to try to get in your circle. If it is indeed true
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that her father was a millionaire, and of course he was imprisoned at the
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time, Is that correct, rob not to mention the fact that they were
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all hot sisters. Yes, yes they were. Roger wouldn't blame him if
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he did. Yeah, I'm not gonna say what I'm going to say because
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my girlfriend might listen later. Although as many of our spouses might not be
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as interested in this type of discussion, and reef we're not. Yeah so
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so so. Johnny Martin established intimate relationship with Sirita Odio and then got into
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the house of the Odios and started offering them arms for their jury. Movement,
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and in one of the documents, I have it right here. Oh,
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it was actually the first one I read. It said, it reminded
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her of Johnny Martin, and she's referring to the leon Oswald incident where the
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three mysterious two Cubans and a white guy visited her. So this was prior
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to that, and this might have been the first attempt to get either the
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odio's money or their support or whatever else or some other good stuff from them.
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And then, of course the famous incident happens shortly before the assassination.
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So she stated, this is from Commission Document fifteen forty six, the FBI
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gam Gurbling report on October eighth, nineteen sixty four, stated, I'm sorry,
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Rob Jimbling Jim, Yes, Gerbiling, that's a whole different Yes,
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that's a whole different game with the have been involved with some Gerbils up the
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You know, we have to be safe because we got nicked last time for
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our last episode because we apparently did something wrong. So we're going to Gerbiling.
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I will be heavily surprised. Silvio stated she became very nervous regarding this
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possibility that the Cuban exiles might be accused of the president's death, and upon
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dwelling on this thought, had fainted at work and was taken to the hospital
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in Irving, Texas. This is a pretty well documented incident. A lot
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of researchers will know about that, will know about that. I believe it
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was brought up in the Warren Commission as well. If not, it was
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in the HCA. I can't remember off the top of my head. Too
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many Martins. And the last thing I'm going to talk about is in October
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nineteen sixty four interview actually Warren Commission testimony from Sylvia Odio, and she talks
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about how Johnny Martin had a relationship with a person named Eugenio from Miami.
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Does that ring any bells? Rop just possibly Eugenio Martinez known as Cia.
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You're operative, yes, sir, very well could have been. And in
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her Warrant Commission testimony, mister Leebler was questioning her and explained how Johnny Martin,
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you know, explained all the details on Johnny Martin and yes you and
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mister Leebert asks you actually did meet with Eugenio here in Dallas before you went
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to Puerto Rico. Oh, yes, did you Genio come, Eugenio come
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to Dallas at any other time to meet you? No? How many times
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have you met with Eugenio here in Dallas? Once that was in June of
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nineteen sixty three. So based on the Miami connection, arrived from Miami,
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I believe it's Eugenio Martinez. Another document in states it's Eugenio Cescenarios. So
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could have been an alias. Yes, as you know, are our presentation
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and some of our research is based on aliases. So it's a very interesting
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story with Johnny Martin, he was from Uruguay. He came out of nowhere.
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He offered them arms for their jury movement. Before the three unidentified men
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came to the doorstep of Sylvia Odio and actually they were looking for Serta,
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but when Sylvio said she was the oldest, they said, oh, we'll
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talk to you then. Uh. So it makes me think that both those
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visits were not known by the other party. What do you think about that?
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That's speculation, Yeah, I think the main thing, the main takeaway
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here is it's another John Martin, Johnny, Juan Martin, whatever you want
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to call them, ah coming into the picture. Before Oswald and trying to
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do the same thing to these Odio sisters help out their jury movement. And
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I don't I don't think you mentioned all the Warren Warren cast was Colonel Caster,
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Yes, ties to him as well. So lots of interesting stuff there,
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folks with Johnny Juan Martin. And also a little tidbit that you might
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not know, but I know you'll respect. Rob Mister Leebler invited Sera Odio
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to dinner with an unnamed lawyer the night. So she testified in the morning
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and then testified again at six thirty pm. Okay, And she tells a
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story of how she was pressured by them, how they were side talking around
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her, and and it's just it's it's crazy. And listen to this,
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Oh my god. Speaking of Martin's the guy his name was mister Martin Phillips
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who came and was of NBC who tried to put her on Dan rather CBS
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assassination special talk show. She refused to go on the show, but she
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talked to Phillips. She says she told part of the story to Phillips.
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Part of this her story to Phillips, as she had not mentioned to anyone
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else. So mister Phillips definitely accomplished his mission. And he then invited her
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up to her room. And this is from HCA notes taken by someone.
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This is not her testimony, This is notes, so keep that in mind.
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But he threatened her with a lie detector and made advance known as his
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penis. He made it and made advance in in the in the hotel room
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after dinner or maybe after her six point thirty second interview. But uh yeah,
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were they trying to honey tropp her? And based on her appearance,
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I can't really blame mister Martin Phillips like like like Tim says in the comments,
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Leebler was a player. He was, he was. I did not
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know that, and uh, Ashley, I had to google with where in
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the hell tener Reef is and I did and uh totally jealous now, so
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thanks for that. Crystal Blue Waters and in the Canary Islands off the coach
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of Spain must be nice. Let's see here, Mandy is in late but
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fashionably late, so welcome in, Mandy kid is in Martini could have been
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he like you did, like to go by the name you call me miss
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Martin. Though, yes, mister Martin, you call me mister Martin,
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and we have a couple other mister Martins too. There is a couple other
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mister Martin's we will get to, but he was one of them. I
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think we have three or four. Actually, yes, you call me mister,
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all right, So let's get into one of the more bigger, luckier
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Martin's that are associated with this case. And although not an official true last
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name Martin, he did use the alias Martin. You all know him,
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and I'm sure if you're familiar with the case at all, Jack Ruby's mafia
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buddy Lewis McWillie Lewis Joseph McWillie also known as Lewis Joseph Martin, Lewis Joseph
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Chapman Lewis Onney FBI number four four zero four zero sixty four is from Dallas,
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a gambler and murderer. Now this comes from a document, an FBI
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document, actually a DPD document dated April TEWOD nineteen fifty nine, where the
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Dallas Police Department received a letter from the Oklahoma City Police Department that Sydney seed
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Band FBI number seven seven three eight three three, a Dallas gambler, had
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been arrested in Oklahoma City and in his possessions where a large number of telephone
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numbers of Dallas and Fort Worth contacts. The Oklahoma City Police Department requested the
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Dallas Police Department to identify the following Dallas contacts. They were identify as as
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follows. Al Meadows is on this list. Oscar Cole kit Swain known as
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cotton Is adoor is He Miller Lewis, Joseph McWillie, Who's I just read
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you? Jesse Ray McPherson a gambler, Billy Ray Grimes gambler, Johnny Marshall
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of Shreveport, Louisiana, Joe where he owned a gambling house. Jack Killer
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of Killer's Drive In on Samuel's Boulevard, known associate of numerous gamblers. Freddie
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Merrill of Rockball, Texas, operates a gambling house with Chick Flornoy. Margie
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Moore resides at the YWCA. Known associate of Dallas gamblers. Are also known
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as a whore. Jack Ruby is on this list. Folks phone number LA
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eight four to two, four to three, operator of the Vegas Club on
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Oaklawn. And when I first saw this next name, I got excited because
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I was like son of a bitch, how how crazy is this? And
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would this be the next name on this list is Christian Day Christian with a
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K mind you Christian Day Christofferson FBI number three two nine two A two A
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of Winton Street in Dallas, known gambler. Okay, So I first saw
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this and I was like, Man, wouldn't that be crazy if this was
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really Chris Christofferson. I mean, how many people spell their name with a
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K and and have the last name Christofferson. Well, it turns out after
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a little bit of research, his name is actually Christopher with a K day.
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I don't know about his middle name. It never did run into that,
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but Christopher Christofferson. But this person may have been either a h a
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brother or cousin of the Christophferson. Because Chris Christofferson, you know, the
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famous songwriter, singer and movie star, is that is actually from Texas and
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close to Dallas to boot So, like I said, I got excited,
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but it was close but no cigar, but possibly a relative of his for
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sure. And then it says there was a phone number m A four three,
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zero zero or zero of fort Worth which was ascertained to be a gambling
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house at twenty two twenty two twenty two Jacksborough Highway, Fort Worth operated by
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Fay Kirkwood and Lewis Joseph mcwilly. Now to get back into mcwilly for a
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little bit in his association with Ruby. And he's tied in with all kinds
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of names you've heard of folks, So people like h al Capone, Sam
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Gencana, Johnny Roselli. So when Roselli returned to the West Coast, he
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called a hood named Lewis mcwilly, whom he had first met back in nineteen
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thirty eight when Roselli did a short stint as the Chicago representative to the San
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Succi casino in Havana, Cuba. Mcwilly had worked in Cuba for years,
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mostly for New York racketeer Meyer Lanski. Mcwilly was never clear to anyone on
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exactly what he did for Lanski, telling the Warrant commissioned only that he was
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a key man at Lanski's Tropicana casino in Cuba. When Castro booted Lansky out
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of Cuba, he brought mcwilly with him and placed him inside of his Las
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Vegas casino, the Tropicana in Las Vegas. Otherwise there was very little known
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about mcwilly, who also used the obvious alias of Lewis N. Martin L.
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Joseph Martin Okay, so he has two different Martin aliases. It is
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known that he had deep contacts within the New York and Chicago mobs. Although
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never a quote made member of any one specific outfit, the FBI kept him
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under surveillance and considered him to be a top mob hit man and enforcer for
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hire. Roselli told mcwilly that Chicago wanted him out at Sinatra's Cow Nueva Lodge
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to keep an eye on their investment in the place and to watch over Sinatra
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and report his activities back to Roselli. Mcgwilly did as he was told and
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created a job for himself at Sinatra's casino, working under the title of pit
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boss. But mcwilly, a training card shark, was no mere pit boss
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as he made himself out to be. Instead, he was a very rich,
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seasoned major gambler who traveled in the highest circles of organized crime, always
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driven around then a sleek new limo, and seldom went anywhere without a bodyguard.
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Whenever he worked in a mobbed up casino, it was always as a
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high level executive, several times removed from a lowly black jack dealer on the
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floor that he purported to be at. About that same time, McWillie was
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in frequent contact with Jack Ruby, the man who silenced Lee Harvey Oswald forever.
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In fact, one of the last persons Ruby spoke to before he leaped
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onto history stage was, in fact Lewis mcwilly. Little that is known about
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their odd relationship is that, according to what mcwilly told the Warren Commission,
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he and Ruby had known each other from their childhood days in Chicago, and
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mcwilly was Ruby's host for an eight day vacation in Cuba in August of nineteen
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fifty nine. That same year, the Dallas Police Department's Office of Intelligence listed
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Jack Ruby and Chicago Las Vegas hood Lewis mcwilly as being among those connected with
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mob run gambling in Dallas. Folks, gray haired and stylish mcwilly impressed the
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easily impressible Ruby, who admired mcwilly and called him a very high class type
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of poison who reminded Ruby of like a banker or a man who understood and
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enjoyed the finer things in this life which we are given. Yet after Ruby
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gunned down Oswald, the FBI asked him to draw a list entitled people who
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made dislike me, and at the top of the list was Lewis mcwilly.
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On Sunday, November seventeenth, five days before Kennedy was shot, Ruby showed
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up at the mob O one Star Dust Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada,
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where he invoked mcwilly's name to cash a check, and was later seen at
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the equally mobbed up thunder Bud Casino with Lewis mcwilly. Two days after meeting
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mcwilly in Las Vegas, Ruby was back in Dallas flush with enough cash to
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pay off his back taxes, which is important, folks. On November seventeenth,
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nineteen sixty three, mcwilly was seen with Jack Ruby, like I said,
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at the Thunderbird Casino in Las Vegas, and according to John William Tooey,
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two days after meeting McWilliam Vegas, Ruby was back in Dallas flush with
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enough cash to pay off his back taxes. I think he was caught with
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what five or eight thousand dollars in cash, Joe when when he was arrested
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after shooting Oswald. Yeah, eight thousands. Yeah, I don't know the
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exact was a good bit. Yeah, next up when it comes to I
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was looking at this this document here, and I don't know how well the
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camera is going to pick it up. Probably not too well. Mh,
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probably not too good. But we'll put it. It'll be up in the
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file section. Uh, We're gonna put a link down here in the description.
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I think it's already there. You can join our Locals community and get
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access to all of the stuff that we talk about here, all the files,
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all the documents, all that jazz. This one stands out because I
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believe it was an FBI document regarding David William Ferry, and they were talking
37:14
about the trip to Texas where Melvin Coffee, Alvin Boboff, and David Ferry
37:22
made the trip on November twenty fourth. They listed their address as six to
37:27
eight six point eight North Pierce, New Orleans, which is a fake address,
37:32
but they used their real names. And interesting here is that breck Wall,
37:44
who David Ferry made a phone call to while he was in Texas,
37:50
was a known associate of Jack Ruby. Breck Wall was like a theater guy.
37:57
He did some kind of an act. I believe he performed at the
38:00
Carousel Club before, but after the assassination went down, Breckwall would move from
38:07
Dallas to Las Vegas, where he would go on a run at the Thunderbird
38:17
Casino in Lounge run by Lewis McWillie. You know how sometimes these people they
38:23
take their acts to Vegas and they have a you know, an extended stay
38:27
of I think, yeah, residency. Thank you, Joe. So,
38:32
that was nice of Lewis McWillie to do for breck Wall. And for those
38:37
of you who've never have seen Breckwall, please do me a favor and head
38:45
to the sixth Floor Museum website and look up their all histories and give old
38:50
breck Walls a gander, because he's a very colorful fellow. I'll just say
38:57
that, and you'll definitely enjoy his oral history. Let's see here if I
39:07
got anything else on mcwilly. So at the end of the fifties fifty eight
39:17
fifty nine, when he was serving as manager of the Meyer Lansky and Norman
39:25
Rothman controlled Trafficana nightclub, he then became pit boss a Salon Rojo casino of
39:32
the Capri Hotel controlled by Santo's traffic Conte, whom he visited a number of
39:38
trips. A number of mcwilly trips from keep It to the US are documented
39:43
in immigration records, providing Dallas home addresses on Raleigh Street, midple Terrace,
39:49
and Homer Street. He entered the US from Cuba and fifty eight October,
39:52
April, July, August fifty nineth, January, February, March, August,
39:57
September, twice, October and November nineteen sixty and then again in January
40:01
sixty one. So he was definitely going and staying in Cuba very very often
40:09
in the late fifties early sixties. Now Ruby went to visit mcwilly and Havana
40:15
in the summer of nineteen fifty nine. Mcwilly has sent him an airline ticket
40:20
and arranged hotel accommodations, reportedly hoping that Ruby would bring Dallas newspaper reporter Tony
40:24
Zappi with him. Zappi, however, did not make the trip. Recorres
40:30
indicate that Ruby was in Cuba for more than a month. Mcwilly, however,
40:34
insisted a visit was no longer than six days. Jack Ruby was that
40:37
kind of fellow that six days would be long enough to be around him.
40:40
Mcwilly once dated I'm sure he wasn't there a month or he probably would have
40:45
killed him, he says. In the nineteen seventies, mcwilly was interviewed by
40:57
the House Select Community Committee on Assassinations. The HSC learned that mcwilly had indeed
41:01
made his own trips to the Triscornia camp while traffic Conte was confined there.
41:07
That's the Cuban prison. At the time of his testimony, mcwilly said he
41:12
was not certain whether Ruby had accompanied him on those trips or not. He
41:15
says, I don't recall it, but he could have. Mcwilly said,
41:17
I don't know for sure, and this is when Santo's traffic Conti was there,
41:22
Lauren Hall was there. Possibly I can't remember the other guy's name through
41:34
a re order from London or something or possibly yeah. Mcwilly said he went
41:39
to Triscornia primarily to visit with his friend Giuseppe di Giorgio, but he also
41:44
saw Dino Cellini, Jake Lansky, and traffic Conte. He says, I
41:49
didn't talk to traffic Conte because I didn't know him that well to speak to
41:52
him. Sure, you didn't mcwilly died in Las Vegas on January sixteenth,
41:58
nineteen eighty six, at the ripe old age of seventy seven. Uh.
42:02
And then yeah, a little known facts. Uh. He when he worked
42:14
at something called the Dauville Casino in Cuba, and one of his fellow workers
42:19
there was another John John Martin, Jay Martin, John Martino, so he
42:23
knew John Martina. H. He visited Sanchos Trafficante and uh Mayer Lanski's brother
42:31
in prison where Lauren Hall also was. And Jack Ruby visited at McWillie in
42:37
Cuba. So you have all these names and people that are all kinds of
42:43
interconnected. It even goes into uh, you know, David Ferry so a
42:51
very into Westing. It was a very into Westing Martin. Uh for sure
42:59
added to it the win with wibbitty wobbity with liberty Lobby liberally add the w's
43:07
now to the ls. Yeah, you might have to add the w's as
43:09
well. I can't speak. It's been a long day, Joe. Well,
43:15
ironically our next margin might be have some type of W connection. Mm
43:22
hmm maybe w mm hmm. I'm catching up on the chat now. Let
43:37
me see. There was one question I wanted to address. Yeah, our
43:42
background of money. Uh, symbols does not represent the FED. It represents
43:51
that our research is money. So someone asked that before, and we do
43:58
Malcolm Malcolm blood Man. I love that. Yeah, I'd love to smoke
44:02
a big spat blunt with Malcolm Blunt. Oh, be awesome. That would
44:07
be fun. I don't think he smokes though. H I'm sure he's up
44:12
to trying anything once. Maybe hope it'll be fun. But uh, yeah,
44:22
so what do you want to do? Uh? Do you want to
44:25
move on? We're at forty five minutes ish forty four? Do you want
44:31
to move on to mister James Wolford unless you have another Martin to go to?
44:40
Yeah, let's do him. I have others, but this is the
44:44
one I prepared today. Oh well, then, by all means, please
44:50
proceed with that one. Oh I will, sir. Let me get my
44:55
extensive power point skills ready. And uh. This is actually a very recent
45:06
development as of today, because, as we've told you many times, our
45:09
research is ongoing and we keep finding here we go, we keep finding new
45:15
things. And one of the things we found, oh my god, a
45:22
PowerPoint is terrible with YouTube. Okay, here we go. Here we go
45:30
again. Flash point Take number two sixty three. Great movie, by the
45:37
way, what movie does this pre point? Chris Christopherson film about loosely based
45:46
about the assassination. Okay, I've never seen it. I gotta do that,
45:52
always that flash dance. So this is James W. Martin and he
45:59
was the direct Actor of Trade Development for the Court of New Orleans for the
46:05
International trademark and as you could see by his picture, he seems like an
46:14
intellectual and possibly a lawyer. Your pictures not on a screen there, Joseph.
46:21
Oh sorry, let me go back and share apologies. Take two Okay,
46:35
so this is James W. Martin. Do you see it now,
46:38
Rob, Yeah, yeah, he looks like a child toucher, but yes,
46:46
go ahead, yes. So we found this picture from an article from
46:55
the Times pickyun in New Orleans. Joey, you know what, Candy mm
47:02
hm. As long as it doesn't come from Judith Mary Baker, I'm cool
47:06
with it. And h in the bottom left you're going to see with Simon
47:14
R. James W. Martin left the left leftish gentleman that you see here,
47:22
director of Trade Development at the Port of New Orleans and what do you
47:25
think, Rob, if you were running ports, do you think you had
47:30
any connection with a certain mafia? I would say their interests need to be
47:43
represented, if you know what I'm saying. Yes, Yeah, there's also
47:47
been a lot of Italian names. I was impressed by your pronounce the name,
47:53
pronounce the nation. Here we go again, of all these Italian names,
48:01
as I can't even pronounce the word. But that is me. I'm
48:05
a researcher. I'm not an entertainer, although I do try to entertain.
48:08
But getting into it, this is James W. Martin on the left right.
48:16
So we've established that this is the bottom of the article, and it,
48:25
you know, just kind of confirms that James W. Martin poor director,
48:31
and you know, just more corroborating evidence because that's what we look for.
48:37
We don't look for one document and try to misinterpret it. Although we're
48:40
not perfect. But James W. Martin, who is this guy? Well,
48:51
we're very interested to figure this out. And this is another article from
48:58
the same year from the same newspaper of a group of European journalists visiting New
49:06
Orleans. Interesting to note here that you have a Helsinki Finland journalists there which
49:19
is obviously how Oswalt got into Russia and them, which stands for International Trademark
49:29
trademarked. So I'm going to take you back a couple slides. Hang on,
49:32
Joe, go back to that one. Read the very last sentence for
49:42
me, if you could please. The journalists on a White House sponsored tour
49:45
of the United States were honored at a press reception at the pill PILM.
49:52
Saul Club Friday, plim Saw Club. Yes, yes, and folks out
49:59
there who are paying attention and keeping score at home. The Plimsaal Club is
50:05
where another Jay Martin was employed as the head chef, that being allegedly Jean
50:15
Martin of the Cross aunt alias of Pierre Lafitte from the book Q in Dallas.
50:23
I can't help myself. I'm sorry. And also there was another,
50:28
uh, Jay Martin who was employed as the head of security at the International
50:35
Trademark who we did not did not mention as well. Yes, John C.
50:38
Martin would probably have been a much a good fit to include here,
50:45
so yes, yeah, probably should have, but yeah he was. We
50:49
are now, by god, Yes he is John C. Martin, and
50:52
uh he kind of ran security and we have a photo of him and if
51:00
I'll find that while you talk, okay, it's a you could tell you
51:04
were in security. So he ran, he ran too, a box of
51:07
donuts, he ran, He ran to probably a lot of things and people.
51:12
But here we go on this article I believe I found out on Mary
51:20
Farrell and it goes I T M six so that means international trademark six M.
51:29
I have no idea what that means. This sixty nine is the data
51:32
V article. So when you correspond that with the international trademark and this other
51:51
international meeting, it's very interesting. And we will get to the next document,
51:59
which is a document on from December tenth, nineteen sixty three from the
52:05
Federal Bureau of Investigation also known as the FBI, the great agency that protects
52:19
the truth. All Right, before you get into this, Martin, because
52:22
folks, I'm not convinced that these are the same people. But Joe,
52:27
Joe has a good feeling about it. So just stop sharing for a second
52:31
and I'll show everybody what the head of security looks like. Sure, yeah,
52:45
and that's the whole thing. Like Rob and I don't agree, you
52:46
know, don't agree on everything. We have different thoughts. We think completely
52:52
differently, and that's why we make I think we make a good team.
52:55
And we're gonna show you some more evan on mister James Wolford Martin that might
53:07
be of extreme interest and significance if we can tie them together, which I
53:15
think I might have today. It's funny when you reread things and you have
53:23
more context, you pick up on things you didn't when you read it the
53:29
first time at the second time. So when you're ready, mister Rob,
53:35
you can share your screen of the of the butchy fellow Marian's folks, head
53:45
of security at the International Trademark, John C. Martin, And no,
53:52
it is not a joke. This is really him. We were lucky to
53:55
find his picture. And yeah, a very handsome fellow. Yeah, probably
54:02
ate a lot of donuts in his downtime, drink a lot of coffee.
54:07
He might have lived maybe two years after this picture was taken. Possibly,
54:13
we don't know for sure, but yeah, that's another Martin working at the
54:20
trade. Martin associated with you know, he counts, He counts definitely.
54:27
And okay, so I'm gonna bring back up this other slide here, this
54:31
other document here, and the reason we're showing these documents is because we want
54:40
to debate and logically if these two Martins are in fact the same people.
54:50
So this is an FBI document from December tenth, nineteen sixty three. Mister
54:54
Wolford James Martin, commonly known as Jim Martin, attorney Davis Building, blah
55:02
blah, blah, blah blah. Essentially, the short version is he was
55:07
at the meeting on November twenty fourth at Jack Ruby and George Sender's apartment with
55:16
the other unfortunate souls who did not live much longer than that, But mister
55:22
Wilfrid James Martin did, and you got to wonder what he did to live
55:30
and maybe was was gifted and a nice position at the ITM. That's also
55:39
speculation, But this is, you know, and I also want to focus
55:45
on the time of the document, December tenth. This is I put more
55:52
credence in documents that are much closer to the assassination than ones that are years
56:00
after, so before they were able to you know, perfect the cover up.
56:06
So to say. This is the last part of that same document,
56:12
and Martin volunteered that he had known George Senator for a year or two and
56:21
that he had extensively interviewed Senator, and it's convinced that Ruby did not confine
56:27
anything to Senator prior to the shooting of Oswald. He volunteered that he had
56:31
interviewed employees of Ruby at the Carroncil Club and was told that Ruby before closing
56:37
the club the day of the assassination, because he was so sad, of
56:42
course, sat and brooded in the club and was repeatedly crying. Now,
56:49
Rob, I'm gonna go on a little tangent here. Was he crying because
56:54
of his sympathy for Jackie Kennedy or was he crying because he maybe realized he
57:05
had to do a certain thing in the next twenty four hours? That is
57:09
borderline. Well, I would definitely go with the latter. I think the
57:15
whole thing about MSUs Kennedy would have to come back to Dallas was a bunch
57:20
of horseshit. Oh completely, you know. I mean, we even have
57:23
this guy. People have such short memories, but we even have this guy
57:28
on video saying it was part of a much bigger conspiracy that involved the right
57:36
wing and he wanted the hell out of Dallas. He wanted them to take
57:40
him to Washington, where you can finally tell him the truth. He knew
57:45
he was a dead man in Dallas if he stayed in Dallas, and that
57:49
turned out to be true. I think when Oswald was taken alive, I
57:55
think that he possibly knew that he would be called a to rectify the situation.
58:02
And Dustly you have Ruby stalking Oswald all weekend from the police station,
58:10
posing as a reporter, uh to weasel them his way into the parking garage
58:16
at the very last second when he would have had a chance to take him
58:20
out. He definitely waited the last second. Yeah, he could have easily
58:25
shot him in the in the hallway of the Dallas Police Department. I think
58:30
he knew he wasn't going to get away with it, but I mean,
58:35
obviously there's that many cops around, you're not going to get away with it,
58:37
especially if they know who you are. But it was I'm trying not
58:43
to say that word. It was a a d life self deleting type of
58:51
activity in terms of if not being self deleted and by proxy incarcerated for the
59:00
extremely long time. Yeah, I mean, he may have had a thought
59:04
that somebody will give him a medal for this and he'd never be prosecuted for
59:07
it. But I don't think that's the case either. I think he knew.
59:10
I think he knew what he would do. He would eventually be throwing
59:14
his life away, and as he knew it, and things would have been
59:19
a lot different for him for evermore. And who knows that a second chrial,
59:24
you know, he might have gotten off. Who knows. We'll never
59:28
know. But Walker said, the only way that Ruby's leaving the prison is
59:34
in a box, which he did in a bag. And yes, that
59:42
is a very good point. And yeah, it is very fascinating the Ruby
59:51
story. And as we dig into it, we find connections to Ruby from
59:59
a of Martins and it just intrigues our mind even more so, without further
1:00:07
ado, let me continue on the James Wolford. So this is another document.
1:00:15
It kind of corresponds with some of the other documents I found on mister
1:00:22
James Wolford Jim Martin. Of course, they spelled his name backwards and they
1:00:28
actually replaced O with the E. And as we know, the ic was
1:00:37
not very accurate with their dates or names. In fact, it was meant
1:00:45
to confuse and muddy waters. So that is my type of theory. We
1:00:52
have another. Like I said, this is another document so hard to read.
1:00:55
I tried to enhance it. As to George said editor, Martin said
1:01:00
he was much closer to him and certainly believes he must have at one time
1:01:05
or of another seen senator in a top or overcoat. And he's talking about
1:01:08
some clothes. Martin, we're talking about the lawyer, the person who ran
1:01:15
the ports of New Orleans said he is very unobservant in connection with matters of
1:01:23
this kind. Does that sound like a lawyer a trait to you, Rob,
1:01:37
No, I mean it sounds like he was out for himself pretty much
1:01:39
and willing to do whatever. But all right, well that's why he survived.
1:01:45
Yeah, yeah, so next we have well here we go. I
1:01:51
would just interject here, Joe, the two of the other guys at this
1:01:54
beating, one will kill with a karate chop to the throat and the other
1:01:59
was shot in a police station by a cop. Yeah, and there was
1:02:05
one more. I saw it on the list and he was just a reporter
1:02:09
for a newspaper. So yeah, it's just an accident, pure accident.
1:02:15
Yeah, misfired and he is into his head. He is the lucky Martin.
1:02:22
So we are going to ask the audience, what do you think was
1:02:30
mister Jim Martin the lawyer of Ruby and then Senator. I believe Rob.
1:02:40
I think he represented them both. I could be wrong, don't quote me
1:02:44
on that, but I think him and George were just really good friends,
1:02:47
if you know what I mean. Oh, and here we go again.
1:02:57
But he definitely had a relationship with Senator for you know, he said one
1:03:01
or two years, so you could double or triple that. When the files,
1:03:05
folks, you'll find about one hundred pages about Martin and Senator's relationship that
1:03:12
really goes into a lot of detail that I still, for the life you
1:03:15
can't understand why. But okay, yeah, and we'll give the little tease.
1:03:22
I found one of my favorite Martins or no, actual I take that
1:03:28
back, George Senator. He was a cook, actually, and he happened
1:03:37
to cook for a certain family that took in the Oswalt family shortly after the
1:03:44
assassination. And we'll get into that in that episode. But I found out
1:03:52
today, I you tease, My jaw dropped, and I just want to
1:03:59
do more of garification before I talk about it. And listen, this is
1:04:03
our This is a working theory. Is Jim Martin, the lawyer that survived
1:04:12
the Ruby Meeting the same one as the one in the trademark? Rob thinks
1:04:19
no. I say no. But other than having the same name, I
1:04:26
haven't seen any concrete proof of that, and until I do, I will
1:04:30
not change my mind. But I'm always willing to have my mind change Joe.
1:04:33
Of course, we both are because we do not have an agenda,
1:04:39
and we encourage listeners to serve some documents. I think there's like sixty thousand
1:04:46
documents that I was trying to go through in a few hours. And this
1:04:54
is very much ongoing, so we're not saying this definitively. I want to
1:04:59
make that clear, but there are a lot of correlations that are very suspicious.
1:05:05
Sucks, as the young Men's would say, And yeah he was.
1:05:15
There's no doubt that he was the lucky Martin, that's for sure, and
1:05:18
as well as mc willie, who lived to a ripe old age, probably
1:05:25
because like Lauren Hall and Trafficonte didn't say blank. That's right. That's a
1:05:36
good place to wrap it up again, folks, thank you so much for
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Scabs, Brelly, Joey, Burrelly, you want to show up to you,
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Yes, whip it out, Joe. There's the remnants of the scooter
1:06:30
incident of twenty twenty three in Dallas that you can hear all about on hits
1:06:39
number. Yeah, that's the remnants. That's pretty nasty, dude. And
1:06:43
that's a week after two weeks after yeah, two weeks aft. Yeah,
1:06:48
God bless you. Oh you know, I do everything for the cause,
1:06:53
but uh yeah, And we're open to any other new nicknames you may have
1:06:57
for Joe. Yeah, we might create the chat of the best Hands.
1:07:02
Yes, and we will consider all all of them. And we want your
1:07:08
opinions on our working theory on Wilford Jim Martin, and we're going to create
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a thread on locals and we're happy for the people that are seriously want to
1:07:28
move this forward to share documents we might have missed, and we will give
1:07:33
an update to this and as we investigate more to either disprove or approve my
1:07:45
theory, not Rob's. And we want your help. And we've said this
1:07:49
before, we're about collaborative research. You might know some little tidbit that we
1:07:57
don't, and if you can prove it, let's move this forward. And
1:08:02
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