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Bonus Episode: Top 5 Most Surprising Musician True Crimes · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we
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Speaker 1: like to call the after Party. This is the show
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Speaker 1: after the show, the party after the party. The bridge
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Speaker 1: to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to
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Speaker 1: the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt, our
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Speaker 1: mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to
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Speaker 1: reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, the five most
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Speaker 1: surprising true crimes committed by musicians. Your stories for music
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Speaker 1: history that just upset you to no end, The awesomeness
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Speaker 1: of eighty sitcom music and what you can do about it.
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Speaker 1: Plus your voice else, texts, emails, comments, dms, and as always,
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of rosie. This is the podcast for
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Speaker 1: the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers, who knows
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Speaker 1: that the best history is the history that gets buried.
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Speaker 1: Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told,
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Speaker 1: the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right,
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Speaker 1: disc goes, Let's get into it. The New York Times
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Speaker 1: has a new list, okay, new list of the thirty
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Speaker 1: greatest living American songwriters that the paper released last week,
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Speaker 1: a couple days ago, not quite a week ago. Ian
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Speaker 1: Watkins from Lost Profits this week's subject of disgrace Land.
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Speaker 1: He's not on that list, and not just because he's
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Speaker 1: no longer alive, nor was he American, but also because well,
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Speaker 1: he wasn't a great songwriter. But Ian Watkins does, without
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Speaker 1: a doubt, belong on some sort of list, perhaps a
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Speaker 1: list of the most disgraceful musicians to ever live. It's
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Speaker 1: a long list. We're not gonna get into that list.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna use something a little bit different, okay, And
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna use this Times thing to jump off of here. Okay,
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Speaker 1: The Times the list of great songwriters, like I said,
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Speaker 1: is limited to thirty American living songwriters. Now, Zeth and
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Speaker 1: I will be discussing their choices, which I have to
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Speaker 1: say is is kind of bullshit but kind of spot
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Speaker 1: on at the same time. Anyways, we're gonna get into
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Speaker 1: it more fully in the exclusive section of this after Party.
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Speaker 1: The list of American songwriters who are alive and who
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Speaker 1: should be on this list is almost as long as
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Speaker 1: the list itself, the list of songwriters who are on it.
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Speaker 1: I keep saying list, and it's bothering me. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm overusing the word. But then I say it,
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Speaker 1: and it does feel like I'm overusing it. You know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. Anyways, Stephen Merritt from Magnetic Fields,
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Speaker 1: he's on the list, but Tom Waits isn't. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: make that makes sense. Anyways, Deeth and I are gonna try.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna try in a little bit. Just go to
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Speaker 1: disgracelandpod dot com to sign up if you're not already
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Speaker 1: signed up as an all access member of disgrace sand
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Speaker 1: and you'll be able to unlock this exclusive content, along
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Speaker 1: with some ad free content as well. Now, I suppose
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Speaker 1: the New York Times, I suppose they had to limit
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Speaker 1: this to thirty to make the list exclusive and thus interesting.
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Speaker 1: You gotta make it kind of hard. Can't have everybody
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Speaker 1: on the list, you know what I mean. Lord knows
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Speaker 1: there are far more than thirty great songwriters still alive
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Speaker 1: in America. But as for the greatest, well, if people
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Speaker 1: are going to care about the list, then I guess
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Speaker 1: there's got to be a limit. Same goes for the
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Speaker 1: list that I'm now compiling in my head. Ian Watkins,
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Speaker 1: it's our two hundred and seventy second episode, and obviously
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of musicians doing a lot of bad
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Speaker 1: things in those in those episodes, a lot of criminal activity,
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Speaker 1: a lot of crime. Now, not all of our episodes
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Speaker 1: detail musicians who are horrible people. Some tell the stories
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Speaker 1: of horrible things that happen to good people. Some tell
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Speaker 1: the stories about musicians and songwriters who yeah, did some
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Speaker 1: pretty any things in their lives, but redeemed themselves. And
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Speaker 1: in a lot of these stories, there's the main story,
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Speaker 1: and then there are these sort of ancillary, revelatory, surprising
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Speaker 1: stories that are just kind of, for lack of a
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Speaker 1: better word, shocking, And I don't necessarily mean shocking, like
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Speaker 1: the Ian Walkins story is shocking, like oh my god,
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Speaker 1: I can't believe another human being did that to somebody.
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Speaker 1: I mean shocking, like wait, what Billie Holiday did? What
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Speaker 1: that kind of thing? You know what I mean. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot of that, and I realize that a lot
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Speaker 1: of it gets said in these episodes, and we all
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Speaker 1: get caught up in the bigger, larger story and we
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Speaker 1: don't really talk about, like I said, these like these
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Speaker 1: little ancillary tidbity stories, surprising, super revelatory things, crimes oftentimes
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Speaker 1: lesser crimes, or you know, just weirder shit that musicians
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Speaker 1: get up to that I find to be fascinating. This
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Speaker 1: stuff kind of falls through the cracks of history, and
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Speaker 1: I look at our job in part as being we
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Speaker 1: got to kind of we gotta kind of pull it
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Speaker 1: back up through the cracks and let it take root
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Speaker 1: and flower it into some storytelling. So we're going to
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Speaker 1: use this New York Times list to create our own list,
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Speaker 1: our top five most surprising musician true crimes. Okay, keyword
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Speaker 1: is surprising. Now. The Times qualifies their lists by only
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Speaker 1: listing American and living musicians. We're not going to qualify
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Speaker 1: our list with that criteria. We're gonna All we're doing
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Speaker 1: is making sure that these crimes are truly surprising, truly revelatory.
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Speaker 1: Everybody knows about Shanditti Combs's crimes. Everybody knows by now
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Speaker 1: about the stupidity the Rolling Stones hiring criminals and the
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Speaker 1: Hell's Angels as security at Altamont. Everybody knows about the
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Speaker 1: Beach Boys Dennis Wilson befriending cult leader Charles Manson. What
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Speaker 1: I want to do is create a little list here
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Speaker 1: of rock stars, singing songwriters, hip hop star as musicians
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Speaker 1: who we've covered, who's again acts are truly surprising? All Right,
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Speaker 1: It's a top five list and number five iced Tea
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Speaker 1: now iced Tea. The gangster rap innovator is known the
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Speaker 1: world over nowadays as Officer Finn Tatola on Law and
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Speaker 1: Order SVU. But I few know that back in the day,
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Speaker 1: back before his rap career, after ice T had served
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Speaker 1: his stint as a soldier in the US Army, Do
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Speaker 1: you know that? Did you know that? I didn't know
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Speaker 1: that until I get the research. Okay, so after he's
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Speaker 1: in the army, but before he's a hip hop guy,
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Speaker 1: iced T used the leadership skills that he learned in
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Speaker 1: the service to put together and to lead a high
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Speaker 1: end jewelry heist crew. Okay, think Val Kilmer in heat
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Speaker 1: sort of that kind of thing. Diamonds, big gold, knots, rollxes,
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Speaker 1: you name it. If a jewelry store in southwestern California
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Speaker 1: carried it. Back in the early eighties, chances where the
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Speaker 1: iced T and his crew were trying to steal it.
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Speaker 1: Not only from jewelry stores, iced Ty and his crew
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Speaker 1: also hijacked trucks. Okay, truck hijacking. Ice team was never caught,
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Speaker 1: two members of his crew were and all this happened
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Speaker 1: before iced Ta decided that perhaps rhyming was a better
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Speaker 1: line of work than stealing Number four. Rick James. Now
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Speaker 1: we all know the Rick James mean, right, Cocaine is
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Speaker 1: a hell of a drug, the Dave Chappelle of it all.
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Speaker 1: We all know that Rick James kidnapped and tortured two
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Speaker 1: different women while in the throes of a heavy cocaine addiction.
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Speaker 1: But long before these events in the early nineteen nineties,
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Speaker 1: back in the late nineteen sixties early nineteen seventies, right
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Speaker 1: as Rick James was launching his career in music, Rick
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Speaker 1: needed money to hang out with and keep up with
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Speaker 1: the lifestyles of the rich and the famous that he
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Speaker 1: was trying to live amongst and keep up with and
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Speaker 1: become a part of. And he didn't have hit songs
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Speaker 1: at the time. Okay, So Rick James turned to drug smuggling.
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Speaker 1: And I don't mean just like loading up the well
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Speaker 1: of his car with you know, a couple, couple ounces
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Speaker 1: of dope. I mean real drug smuggling for the Colombian cartel. Yes,
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Speaker 1: Rick James smuggled drugs for the Colombian cartel. Don't believe me.
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Speaker 1: Read his autobiography. It's all in there. Number three Frank
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Speaker 1: Sinatra and No, not the story about how Frank worked
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Speaker 1: as a pimp for Jack Kennedy and how he was
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Speaker 1: the go between between JFK and Frank and his buddies
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Speaker 1: in the mafia. I'm talking about the story that was
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Speaker 1: revealed in the last few years from a new investigation
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Speaker 1: uncovering federal documents that prove, okay, that Frank Sinatra was
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Speaker 1: much more than just a friend of the mafia. Okay,
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Speaker 1: But as the book this is the book's called Frank
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Speaker 1: Sinatra and the Mafia Murders by Mike roth Miller and
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Speaker 1: Douglas Thompson. As that book alleges Frank Sinatra actively worked
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Speaker 1: for the mafia, earning money for them, using his connection
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Speaker 1: to protect them, all the while while working as one
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Speaker 1: of the world's biggest entertainers. In this fact, this is
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Speaker 1: why after Sinatra's son, Frank Sinatra Junior, was kidnapped in
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, the three men believed to be connected
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Speaker 1: to that kidnapping were mysteriously tortured and killed. I know
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Speaker 1: it sounds crazy and no one talks about it, but
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Speaker 1: don't look at me. Look at the government documents detailed
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Speaker 1: in the book that I just mentioned in the fact
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Speaker 1: as well that the book was released on the heels
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Speaker 1: of a global pandemic back in the early twenty twenties,
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Speaker 1: when everybody was a wee bit distracted. Number two Paul McCartney, guys,
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Speaker 1: Paul McCartney did time in one of the world's most dangerous,
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Speaker 1: most notorious prisons. We talk about the Monster Mansion, the
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Speaker 1: prison that Ian Watkins did time in recently officially known
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Speaker 1: as HMP Wakefield, but called the Monster Mansion because of
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Speaker 1: the horrible home for real life monsters that HMP Wakefield is.
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Speaker 1: But Cosay's prison and in Tokyo, where Paul McCartney did time.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that far behind the Monster Mansion, especially back in
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty when Cosage was ranked as one of the
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Speaker 1: world's worst and most dangerous penal facilities. And that was
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Speaker 1: when Paul McCartney again, back in nineteen eighty, the so
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Speaker 1: called safe Beetle. That was a time when the so
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Speaker 1: called safe Beetle completed his nine day prison stint for
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Speaker 1: drug possession after trying to sneak in about a half
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Speaker 1: pound of grass into Japan. Now nobody talks about this.
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Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, one of the world's most successful, most talented,
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Speaker 1: most famous musicians, doing time in one of the world's
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Speaker 1: most notorious prisons, and not all that long ago. Nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty Okay, nineteen eighty was a long time ago, but still,
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the sixties here or the fifties.
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Speaker 1: This one blows my mind. I'll never get over it.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I tell everybody this at parties we're
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Speaker 1: having drinks whatever. This is one of those ones I
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Speaker 1: don't shut up about. It's just no one. It's because
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Speaker 1: no one cares. Really, if anybody else cared besides me,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't even find it that interesting. But just the
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Speaker 1: fact that no one talks about this is kind of
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Speaker 1: mind blowing. And I don't mean that people should be
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Speaker 1: talking about it, like judging Paul for it. I just
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Speaker 1: think it's it's kind of badass, actually, you know. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the guy did time with Yakuza like real time nuts,
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Speaker 1: but this is the best one This is my all
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Speaker 1: time fave. This is number one with a bullet. Billy Holiday. Now,
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Speaker 1: this crime kind of innocuous compared to some of the
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Speaker 1: ones we've been discussing here. But Billy Holiday, who spent
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Speaker 1: most of her career as one of the greatest voices
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Speaker 1: in pop music while also being heavily addicted to heroin,
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Speaker 1: Billy Holiday actually taught her dog how to deliver her heroin. Now,
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Speaker 1: rather than me trying to explain the number one artist's
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Speaker 1: crime on our list here, I'm just going to play
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Speaker 1: a clip from our Billie Holiday episode back in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty two about Billy and her incredible drug dealing to
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Speaker 1: mister Matt played the clip, please, but that meant she
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Speaker 1: needed drugs regularly, and for a woman of her profile,
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Speaker 1: that was no easy task. She knew she was being
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Speaker 1: watched cops, locals, Feds whoever. She knew she was a
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Speaker 1: potential prize scout, a bold face name, capable of putting
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Speaker 1: a shine on the name of the arresting officer in
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Speaker 1: the papers. She couldn't be holding ever, it was too risky.
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Speaker 1: She could be searched at any moment without cause. She
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Speaker 1: was a black woman in a very white man's world
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Speaker 1: at the time, so a plan was hatched. Mister Mister
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Speaker 1: was Billy's dog, a boxer. Mister was smart, smarter than
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Speaker 1: some of the men in Billy's life, and definitely smarter
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Speaker 1: than some of the drummers she'd known. Mister was capable,
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Speaker 1: Mister was trained. Mister loved Billy. Mister was obedient. Mister
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Speaker 1: was crooked as fucked. Mister got recruited by Joe Guy.
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Speaker 1: Joe Guy was recruited by Billy, first to blow a
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Speaker 1: trumpet in her band, then to blow her away in
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Speaker 1: the sack, then to run mister for her. Joe Guy
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Speaker 1: every day, every day, bought an ounce of heroin up
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Speaker 1: on Eighth Avenue. Then he'd find mister, give mister a treat.
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Speaker 1: Mister would sit. Joe Guy would attach that ounce of
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Speaker 1: heroin to Mister's collar inconspicuously. Next time for mister's daily
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Speaker 1: walk down morning side drive over to the Braddock Hotel.
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Speaker 1: With the Braddock sign in his sights, Mister would know
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Speaker 1: what time it was time to see the man in
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Speaker 1: the funny hat who operated the elevator. For another treat.
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Speaker 1: Mister would run around the back of the brattoic Joe
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Speaker 1: guy his work gone would bounce, Mister would scratch the door.
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Speaker 1: The man and the funny hat would appear. Mister would
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Speaker 1: follow him into the hotel and into the elevator. He'd
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Speaker 1: go and have his new treat tossed to him before
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Speaker 1: the doors would close up. Then the doors would open,
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Speaker 1: and that meant another treat, this tree from Billy, who'd
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Speaker 1: be waiting for mister on the other side of the
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Speaker 1: opening elevator doors, on the top of the floor. Out
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Speaker 1: of the elevator and into Billy's arms. Mister would go first,
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Speaker 1: He'd get his treat. Then he'd gets smothered with love
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Speaker 1: from his mistress. Then she'd detached the special package mister
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Speaker 1: had brought her. She'd sit, she'd shoot, She'd say them
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Speaker 1: away wild. She was a star, a very high star.
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Speaker 1: She descended from the rough and tumble streets of Baltimore,
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Speaker 1: then Harlem, through reform school, whorehouses, welfare island, to the
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Speaker 1: top of the music game with a bad habit, but
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Speaker 1: able to satiate that habit from a penthouse suite via
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Speaker 1: a trained canine who ran drugs for her on orders
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Speaker 1: from a man who worked for her. Billie holiday Stone
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Speaker 1: Cold Surreal all right, there you have it. That was
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Speaker 1: Billy Holliday and her dog Mister number one on the
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Speaker 1: list of top five most surprising musicians in their true crimes.
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Speaker 1: Most surprising true crimes by musicians. Excuse me, I got
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Speaker 1: to get the copyright for the New York Times. They're
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Speaker 1: about to call Anyways, all these stories, like the Billie
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Speaker 1: Holiday story, they're all available in our archive. You can
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Speaker 1: check them out Matt's and the episode info for you
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Speaker 1: on all five of these gems in the show notes
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Speaker 1: here to help you easily navigate your way through our
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Speaker 1: archive of over two hundred and seventy episodes. All Right,
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Speaker 1: this week, as I mentioned our new episode on Ian
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Speaker 1: Watkins from Lost Profits, you might know the story about
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Speaker 1: the horrific abuse Walkins committed and is truly horrible crimes,
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Speaker 1: but you might not know the rest of the story
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Speaker 1: about how is crimes the sickening abuse of children, How
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Speaker 1: these crimes could have been prevented were it not for
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Speaker 1: authorities dismissing the warnings and accusations of a woman they
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Speaker 1: wrote off for reasons that are fucking mind bendingly stupid. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we explained it all on our episode, but the point
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Speaker 1: is This is ultimately the story of a hero who
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Speaker 1: would not be denied, and she's a very unlikely hero
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna want to hear it. So check out
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Speaker 1: the Ian Watkins from Lost Profits episode the latest episode
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Speaker 1: of Disgraceland in your feeds right now. So that's the
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Speaker 1: Ian Walkins story. Now, speaking of dirtags, we have two
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Speaker 1: Sean Diddycombs episodes. It's coming up this weekend. After this
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Speaker 1: here bonus episode, we have part one, which details the
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Speaker 1: story of Diddy in the nightclub shooting from back in
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Speaker 1: the nineties with j Lo. Now, this is in a way,
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Speaker 1: Diddy's dirt bag origin story. Okay, did He's dad was
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Speaker 1: a gangster? At least he was gangster affiliated. There's the
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Speaker 1: whole thing with the charity basketball game and Heavy D
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Speaker 1: and the boys and the nine people who died. Now,
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Speaker 1: when you know how did he came up and what
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Speaker 1: his past was like, and how his father lived and
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Speaker 1: died and what he did he was up to before
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Speaker 1: he was famous. His crimes that we were all exposed
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Speaker 1: to in the last couple of years did become a
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Speaker 1: bit easier to understand. And we're going to get into that.
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Speaker 1: And like I said, the nightclub shooting with j Loo
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Speaker 1: and all those nineties headlines in Part one of our
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Speaker 1: Sean Combe's story, Part two is much different. Okay, that's
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Speaker 1: being re released as a rewind this week as well.
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Speaker 1: Part two of our Didty story was and before his
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Speaker 1: recent conviction and sentencing, but after the cassivn Tura accusations,
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Speaker 1: after the indictment. Actually so, In fact, this episode is
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Speaker 1: based almost entirely on the indictments that were released, the
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Speaker 1: federal indictment, the Cassi even Tur indictment, the Little Rod
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Speaker 1: Jones indictment, and the episode is a reenactment of sorts,
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Speaker 1: a dramatization of the horrific events detailed by Cassie and
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Speaker 1: others in the indictments, and we teamed that information up
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Speaker 1: with more research on Ditty's past and his motivations for
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Speaker 1: living the life that he lived. Okay, these episodes, both
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Speaker 1: of them, they will surprise you no matter what you
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Speaker 1: think you know about Sean Ditty Combs. And it's important,
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Speaker 1: I think, to listen to these episodes to truly understand
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Speaker 1: who this guy is because in two years he's going
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Speaker 1: to be out of prison, and I guarantee you this
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Speaker 1: will be different than Oj getting out of jail. This
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Speaker 1: will be different than Bill Cosby getting out of jail.
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Speaker 1: I guess I garantee you. Diddy will worm his way
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Speaker 1: back into polite society, and he'll be right there on
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Speaker 1: our screens, in our feeds, making music, making content, making news,
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Speaker 1: making money, and these these episodes will hopefully help you
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Speaker 1: never forget who he truly is at his core, where
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Speaker 1: he comes from, and why he did what he did.
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Speaker 1: D I d did Diddy there, see I did that.
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Speaker 1: I didn't plan on that, I kind of did. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: check those two Diddy rewind episodes out. They're coming this weekend.
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Speaker 1: Next week our new episode on Stevie Rayvon. Guys, simple question,
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Speaker 1: when you're listening to that Stevie Rayvon's story, be thinking
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Speaker 1: about Okay, Steve Ravon died young, Gone Too Soon? All right?
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Speaker 1: You can have four dead rock stars on your mount
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Speaker 1: Rushmore of Gone Too Soon rock Stars? Who's it going
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Speaker 1: to be? Is Stevie Rayvon on your list? You only
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Speaker 1: get four four choices six one, seven, nine oh six
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Speaker 1: sixty six three, eight voicemails and texts to let me
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Speaker 1: know who's on your Mount Rushmore of Gone to Soon
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Speaker 1: Rock stars again. Limit your answers to four please, okay,
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Speaker 1: don't cheat. If you like The New York Times, limit
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Speaker 1: your list. Okay, all right, right after this your voicemails, calls,
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Speaker 1: text emails, and the greatest argument over sitcom music that
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Speaker 1: you've ever heard, all guys. Last week, during the editing
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Speaker 1: of the exclusive portion of The After Party, we were
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Speaker 1: done recording it, Zeth and I, and you know, you
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Speaker 1: get recording, you get done recording, and then the files
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Speaker 1: go over to Matt. Matt puts it together. While Zeth
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Speaker 1: and I were done and we were off doing whatever
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Speaker 1: else we were doing that day, we got a text
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Speaker 1: from Matt, who was putting the episode together, like I said,
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Speaker 1: and the text just said, oh mom and Dad are fighting.
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Speaker 1: And what Matt was referring to was this argument Zeth
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Speaker 1: and I got into over of all things sitcom music.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't so much of an argument, was it was
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Speaker 1: a disagreement. I don't like argument with people because I'm
20:12
Speaker 1: on this tip lately, my new thing. You can't convince
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Speaker 1: anybody of anything. Nobody's ever been convinced of anything in
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Speaker 1: the history of the world. Seriously, ask yourself if you've
20:21
Speaker 1: ever truly been convinced of something, and then think, did
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Speaker 1: that person convince me to think the exact opposite way
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Speaker 1: that I was thinking before, or did I convince myself
20:32
Speaker 1: through a series of information on covering Maybe that person
20:36
Speaker 1: propelled me on a journey to discovery. But that person
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Speaker 1: didn't actually have an argument with me. And I just
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Speaker 1: sat there and said, yeah, you know what, You're right.
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Speaker 1: I no longer think the way I thought ten. No
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Speaker 1: one can be convinced of anything by anyone else. That's
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Speaker 1: my new shit. So I was in no place to
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Speaker 1: argue with Zeth. I was just kind of disagreeing with him,
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Speaker 1: And I mean he deserved to be disagreed with because
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Speaker 1: he was completely fucking wrong. As you're gonna hear, because Matt,
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Speaker 1: Matt is going to share some of his madness that
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Speaker 1: has been compelled by this disagreement. And I'm not talking
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Speaker 1: about you know, Matt's going a little crazy here, okay,
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Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, And this has driven him to
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Speaker 1: a place that I've never really seen Matt go to before.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about you know, regular overworked production
21:26
Speaker 1: guy crazy. Matt's gone full Colonel Kurtz straight Jack Torrents
21:29
Speaker 1: from the Overlook Hotel, downright psychotic Patrick Bateman style, all
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Speaker 1: over this disagreement we had before I explained the depths
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Speaker 1: of Matt's newfound insanity and what depths of his insanity
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Speaker 1: mean for you guys, Matt, why don't you just detach
21:46
Speaker 1: the electrodes from your temples there for a moment and
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Speaker 1: play a clip of this so called argument. Guy Sesame
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Speaker 1: Street was so good. Oh man, it was the best. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: The music, man, the music alone like that. Think it
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Speaker 3: was the Pointer sisters that did the one, two, three,
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Speaker 3: four five s except yeah, eleven twelve, Yeah, I think so.
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Speaker 1: Wow, no, wonder it was so good.
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Speaker 3: I know, man, this is back when they put some
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Speaker 3: effort into that ship.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then remember it was like, oh yeah, you think
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Speaker 1: this is cool? Way to you hear the fucking Electric
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Speaker 1: Company exactly?
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Speaker 3: The elect the muppets blow your mind, and then the
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Speaker 3: electric company.
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Speaker 1: Yea, what the fuck?
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Speaker 5: Man?
22:22
Speaker 1: Who's this tall, fucking, skinny, freckled guy. Later we find
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Speaker 1: out it's Morgan Freeman. You know, we had a good
22:28
Speaker 1: back in the seventies.
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Speaker 3: Man, we did have a good man.
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Speaker 1: What do they got now? Fucking bluey and uh, what
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Speaker 1: do they got? What's the Big Ship. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: My kids have phased out of all that stuff, but
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Speaker 3: we just don't have even like eighties sitcoms. Every they
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Speaker 3: all had theme songs that were like intentionally written, you
22:45
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like.
22:46
Speaker 1: Well they still do and they really don't really though.
22:48
Speaker 1: You get like a little ding dunk dong.
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Speaker 3: It's just like I actually cut that.
22:52
Speaker 1: That sounds a little too Uh. They're just like, uh,
22:55
Speaker 1: no one thought you were doing what you think. It
22:58
Speaker 1: sounded like okay until you pour it out and you
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Speaker 1: weren't doing it, So it doesn't matter. No, I hard disagree,
23:05
Speaker 1: hard disagree. There's some great modern day kids. There's great Yeah,
23:10
Speaker 1: there's a great Uh, there's a great Netflix like new
23:14
Speaker 1: Netflix animated show that has a really kind of old
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Speaker 1: school I don't know what it is. I'll find out.
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Speaker 1: I'll ask well and when he gets home from school.
23:23
Speaker 1: And then there's there's even like like I like the
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Speaker 1: blue Ey theme. I think I think letters to Cleo,
23:29
Speaker 1: like Matt don't know this. I think like I think
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Speaker 1: all the Ship was done at fucking Q Division, by
23:33
Speaker 1: the way, Like there's some like I think Kay Hanley's
23:36
Speaker 1: done a lot of this stuff.
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Speaker 3: I don't doubt you. I'm just saying they last like
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Speaker 3: five seconds these days before they were like I'm all right, fine,
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Speaker 3: maybe all right?
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Speaker 1: Yepler than you are, dude, I have to say, you
23:46
Speaker 1: have you have a lot of patience for me disagreeing
23:49
Speaker 1: with you, all right, So so there you have it. Now,
23:53
Speaker 1: because of this disagreement, Matt has gone and tried to
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Speaker 1: come up with a way to settle this, you know,
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Speaker 1: sort of. You know, I think Matt's contention is that,
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Speaker 1: you know, sitcom music, as Deth and I both we
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Speaker 1: were getting at We weren't really disagreeing over this, you know,
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Speaker 1: we both were at the point where we think sitcom
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Speaker 1: music and just TV music in general was better in
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Speaker 1: the day, back in the day, the day being the eighties,
24:17
Speaker 1: the nineties. Now Matt has cook something up for us
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Speaker 1: all to sort of delve into this a little further.
24:25
Speaker 1: But I can't explain it as well as he can.
24:26
Speaker 1: So Matt, wy, don't you go ahead and chime in
24:29
Speaker 1: here and let the people know what you're cooking.
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Speaker 6: First of all, Jake, I just want to paraphrase Joni
24:36
Speaker 6: Mitchell here and say I told you when you hired
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Speaker 6: me that I was crazy but anyway, it's got me
24:41
Speaker 6: thinking a lot about all of our gen X listeners,
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Speaker 6: our baby boomer listeners, you know, folks who were around
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Speaker 6: in the golden age of the seventies and eighties with
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Speaker 6: these sitcom themes. And I was also thinking maybe about
24:55
Speaker 6: some of our younger listeners who didn't get to experience
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Speaker 6: that for hand. And so what I've cooked up is
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Speaker 6: a March Madness style, sixty four entrant tournament of the
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Speaker 6: greatest sitcom themes of all time.
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Speaker 1: Now, there were a.
25:14
Speaker 6: Certain criteria that had to be met. Luckily, we have
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Speaker 6: the Sitcomtron two thousand, which is an advanced technology that
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Speaker 6: we've invested in that can help rank these things for us. Anyway,
25:29
Speaker 6: we've got sixty four entrants and we're looking for our
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Speaker 6: listeners to come in and vote, and we will be
25:37
Speaker 6: running the tournament throughout the month of May, calling it
25:40
Speaker 6: May Madness and to vote. To get involved, all you
25:44
Speaker 6: got to do is go to Patreon dot com slash disgraceland.
25:48
Speaker 6: You do not have to be a Patreon member to
25:50
Speaker 6: get involved in this, but come on over to patreon
25:53
Speaker 6: dot com slash disgraceland. See what we're doing over there.
25:57
Speaker 6: See what the other discos are up to, and even
25:59
Speaker 6: if you're not a member, you can come in and vote.
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Speaker 6: First round voting ends this Friday, May eighth, at eleven
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Speaker 6: fifty nine pm Eastern Standard time.
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Speaker 1: Matt, any light that you can shed on how the
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Speaker 1: voting is shaping up thus far.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know, it's still early in the tournament.
26:22
Speaker 6: We're here in the first round, but already we have
26:25
Speaker 6: a lot of exciting action. And here's our halftime report
26:29
Speaker 6: on the first round. We've already got a lot of
26:33
Speaker 6: excitement brewing. In Group one, we've got a potential huge
26:37
Speaker 6: upset with the Jetsons who are currently leading Good Times,
26:43
Speaker 6: so that's that would be a shocking upset. Also in
26:46
Speaker 6: group one, we have a knockdown, drag out fight between
26:51
Speaker 6: It's Gary Schandling Show and Chico and the Man. It's
26:55
Speaker 6: it's too close to call at this point. It's going
26:57
Speaker 6: to come down to the wire. Same thing with Alice
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Speaker 6: and growing Pains. Over in group two, we've got a
27:04
Speaker 6: couple matchups that are kind of interesting. Lower in the bracket,
27:07
Speaker 6: we've got Malcolm in the middle leading, Charles in Charge
27:11
Speaker 6: and married with children taking the lead over the higher
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Speaker 6: seeded Bosom Buddies, and now in Group three, we've got
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Speaker 6: a huge upset brewing at halftime here with the Flintstones
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Speaker 6: leading mods, so you can see these animated shows have
27:26
Speaker 6: really shown up to play this year, and Group four
27:29
Speaker 6: so far is really you know, playing out as you
27:31
Speaker 6: might expect with the higher seeded shows leading. But you
27:35
Speaker 6: know it's only halftime. If you want the full details
27:38
Speaker 6: on the halftime score, check out the post on Patreon
27:42
Speaker 6: right below this one. It'll be called May Madness Halftime Report,
27:46
Speaker 6: and you can get all the current scores so you
27:49
Speaker 6: can see what we're looking at heading into the last
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Speaker 6: couple days of voting in round one.
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Speaker 1: All right, truly riveting stuff here at double Evis. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why this is important to us, but it is.
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Speaker 1: If you're of a certain age as we are, perhaps
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Speaker 1: it's important to you as well. We know it is
28:06
Speaker 1: for the folks over at Patreon. They're loving it. I
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28:26
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28:29
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Speaker 1: here at Double evis. Now, let's let's crawl out of
28:34
Speaker 1: the sitcom madness and hear from you guys on Ian Walkins,
28:37
Speaker 1: from the Lost Profits and a little bit I guess
28:40
Speaker 1: on Foo Fighters from last week with the Ian Watkins episode.
28:44
Speaker 1: The question of the week was which story from music
28:48
Speaker 1: history upset you guys the most? On that topic, Let's
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Speaker 1: hear from the two to one three Before we get
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Speaker 1: into the call here, it's gonna remind you all that
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Speaker 1: the views and opinions expressed by call dollars, texters, emailers,
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Speaker 1: et cetera are the views of the callers and the
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Speaker 1: texters and the emailers and not necessarily of my own.
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Speaker 1: With that disclaimer, let's now dip into the two to
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Speaker 1: one three.
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Speaker 5: Here the music history story that I absolutely cannot shake
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Speaker 5: ever since I heard it, and it makes me so pissed.
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Speaker 4: Off because it was it's I just.
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Speaker 5: Feel like not enough people are talking about it. Are
29:26
Speaker 5: the connection between River Phoenix's death and John Frisciante.
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Speaker 7: And I don't know if it's just like the fame.
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Speaker 5: Of John and his like whole comeback story, but the fact.
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Speaker 7: That like it's pretty much easy, very easy to connect
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Speaker 7: his drugs to River Phoenix's death.
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Speaker 5: Then John leaves, the band goes basically on like the
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Speaker 5: Bender to End All Benders, and then nobody he ever
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Speaker 5: talks about it ever.
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Speaker 4: That pisses me off.
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Speaker 7: That pisses me off because.
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Speaker 5: It makes River Phoenix look just like another junkie that
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Speaker 5: died on the street when by many accounts most you know,
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Speaker 5: there was an accident and he didn't know what he
30:18
Speaker 5: was taking, and effectively he was dosed. He was dosed
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Speaker 5: by John Fruchiante. And it makes me really angry because
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Speaker 5: River didn't have to die.
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Speaker 1: Ah. Yeah, listen, this story upsets me to no end,
30:37
Speaker 1: and thank you for the voicemail because it's compelled me
30:42
Speaker 1: to I've long wanted to do a Red Hot Chili
30:45
Speaker 1: Peppers episode, but I've never read Anthony Keatis's book, and
30:51
Speaker 1: I just don't want to get into more of the
30:55
Speaker 1: same rock star debauchery bullshit that's not particularly interesting. Or
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Speaker 1: maybe it is. I don't know. I just don't have
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Speaker 1: high hopes for it this story. Though I love John Freschianty.
31:05
Speaker 1: I just he's one of my favorite guitar players. He's incredible.
31:08
Speaker 1: And I've known about this theory and the evidence behind
31:14
Speaker 1: it that connects him to the death of River Phoenix allegedly.
31:19
Speaker 1: I've actually heard from people who were there that night
31:22
Speaker 1: and first hand accounts, and it's super compelling. And I'll
31:27
Speaker 1: tell you what. The thing that's always sort of stopped
31:31
Speaker 1: me from heading into the story full bore has been
31:36
Speaker 1: there's this one really tough fact here, and it's the
31:41
Speaker 1: fact that Flee was super tight with River Phoenix and
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Speaker 1: he was very affected by River's death, and he's obviously
31:52
Speaker 1: tight with John Freschianti as well. And I don't know
31:54
Speaker 1: what any of that means, but I know it's complicated,
31:57
Speaker 1: and I know I want to tell this story. I
31:59
Speaker 1: know I want to look into it. And maybe there's
32:01
Speaker 1: not absolute proof there, but even in the absence of proof,
32:05
Speaker 1: we can we can present facts as we find them,
32:08
Speaker 1: and we can draw our own conclusions. So thank you
32:11
Speaker 1: for this, appreciate the message. All right, let's check out
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Speaker 1: this voicemail from the two to one seven.
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Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, this is Craig from this one to seven area.
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Speaker 4: I think one of the most shitty stories.
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Speaker 7: I've heard about a.
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Speaker 4: Rock musician in the recent history of well. I guess
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Speaker 4: this twenty seventeen would have been Tom Petty and how
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Speaker 4: his uh he died a mixture of pain medications and
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Speaker 4: other medications that were all prescribed to him by his doctor.
32:38
Speaker 4: I think that you know, his with his past and
32:42
Speaker 4: being a musician and having the past that a lot
32:45
Speaker 4: of musicians have, I think his doctor prescribing him with
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Speaker 4: all these medications without being extra careful and then him
32:53
Speaker 4: passing away at the young age of sixty six was
32:56
Speaker 4: was pretty upsetting, pretty shitty to hear when I when
32:59
Speaker 4: I got in to work that day. So that was
33:02
Speaker 4: one of the things that really came to mind. Also,
33:04
Speaker 4: anything that has to do with with Weenen. When ween
33:08
Speaker 4: breaks up, it's shitty, man, they know, because most of
33:10
Speaker 4: the time when they break up, where they take a break,
33:12
Speaker 4: a hiatus or whatever, they're in the middle of a tour,
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Speaker 4: they're doing shows.
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Speaker 1: They've got to.
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Speaker 4: Cancel all these shows. And I understand recently, you know,
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Speaker 4: with Dean ween he you know, he had to take
33:23
Speaker 4: a break to take care of himself mentally and take
33:26
Speaker 4: a mental break from things. Totally get it. It's just
33:29
Speaker 4: kind of an upsetting thing to hear, but you know,
33:32
Speaker 4: you got to take care of yourself. But anyways, Jake,
33:35
Speaker 4: do a story on Wean Man Cold on mean if
33:39
Speaker 4: you ever listen to them, they're They're one of the
33:41
Speaker 4: most amazing, unique bands of our time. They've been around
33:46
Speaker 4: since I think like the mid eighties. Dean and Jean
33:49
Speaker 4: Ween hope to hear something from Ween.
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Speaker 1: Thanks. Yeah, I tell you that Tom Petty death story
33:55
Speaker 1: is incredibly frustrating. Incredibly frustrating in a similar way, so
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Speaker 1: is the Glenn Fry death story as well. Hard pivot
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Speaker 1: to Ween Man, I didn't see that coming. I love Ween,
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Speaker 1: I really truly do. I love them. They're they're divisive
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Speaker 1: band here in the Brennan household. I've managed to get
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Speaker 1: the whole family on board though, and I was actually
34:18
Speaker 1: I saw the funniest meme yesterday It said that the
34:21
Speaker 1: best Elliott Smith song is Baby Bitch by Ween. You'll
34:25
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Two one seven. I'd love to do a
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Speaker 1: Wien episode. I don't know much about him. I have
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Speaker 1: a friend who's who's friends with one of the Weien brothers.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure which one. Are the crimes there though?
34:36
Speaker 1: You know, is there anything true crime me there? If
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Speaker 1: there is? Two one seven, hit me back and let
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Speaker 1: me know, let me find help me find a way in.
34:43
Speaker 1: Maybe I can do it through some a Ween story,
34:46
Speaker 1: through some Philly mob Philly mob stuff. I don't know.
34:50
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm just reaching six one seven nine oh
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Speaker 1: six six six three eight. You want to get in touch,
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Speaker 1: we can talk about Ween. We can talk about whatever
34:57
Speaker 1: you want. Six four six text and hey, Jake Balls,
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Speaker 1: well with you and your family. I have a good
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Speaker 1: one for you, Phil, Him and Phil? Why am I
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Speaker 1: reading your text? What?
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Speaker 5: What?
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Speaker 1: What? Why are you teasing me? Phil? Get back all right?
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Speaker 1: I meant to read this one from the five o nine?
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Speaker 1: What up? Jake Brandon here in the five o nine.
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Speaker 1: Just got around to listening to that Food Fighters episode,
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Speaker 1: and Wow, as a lifelong food fan, I've been dying
35:19
Speaker 1: to find out what really did Taylor in because, quite honestly,
35:23
Speaker 1: I'm getting sick of people summing it up as just
35:26
Speaker 1: junkie rock star shit and that angle with the insurance
35:29
Speaker 1: companies is incredibly eye opening, and I have to admit
35:31
Speaker 1: I never would have even thought that they'd have to
35:33
Speaker 1: ensure their shows, but it totally makes sense. I wouldn't
35:36
Speaker 1: have in a million years connected those dots, But the
35:38
Speaker 1: more I think about it, the more I think that
35:39
Speaker 1: that's the case, and he just simply died from rocking
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Speaker 1: too fucking hard for far too long. I'm just glad
35:45
Speaker 1: I have something somewhat credible to defend my man with now.
35:48
Speaker 1: Then I'm aware of the bigger pictures. So thanks for that.
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Speaker 1: Keep on rocking, you got it five on nine. Appreciate you.
35:54
Speaker 1: Let's head on over to the eight one three wherever
35:57
Speaker 1: that is? Where'd you go? Eight one to three? Eight
35:59
Speaker 1: one three? Hey Jake? Finally listening to an after party
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Speaker 1: episode in real time. Listener James wrote in about Tory
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Speaker 1: Amos covering Slayer. Since you haven't heard that song, you
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Speaker 1: probably haven't listened to that album. It comes from her
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Speaker 1: two thousand and one concept album Strange Little Girls. The
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Speaker 1: album is all cover songs originally performed by men Eminem
36:20
Speaker 1: The Beatles, Depeche Mode, and Tom Waits are all represented
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Speaker 1: and covered. It's worth a listen. My personal favorite are
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Speaker 1: her covers of I Don't Like Mondays and Rattlesnake Her
36:29
Speaker 1: ninety seven, Bonnie and Clyde still is too creepy to
36:32
Speaker 1: listen to again, Bonnie and Clyde ninety seven Bonnie, What
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Speaker 1: is that not the surge Gainesburg? Bonnie and Clyde? Is it?
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Speaker 1: Eight one three? Thank you for reminding me of Tori
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Speaker 1: Amos in the Slayer cover and apparently now a bunch
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Speaker 1: of other covers that I had no idea she did.
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Speaker 1: But also reminded me that I have to call Ryan
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Speaker 1: to work on a sort of Elton John piano sounding
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Speaker 1: cue for us, and I got to write that out
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Speaker 1: of my books. I'm gonna do that right now. Call
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Speaker 1: Ryan now, eight one three. I know you don't know
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Speaker 1: who Ryan is. Ryan does a bunch of the music
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Speaker 1: for us here, not all of it, but a bunch
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Speaker 1: of it. And uh yeah, I got a piano based
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Speaker 1: que that I need, and you know Toriemo's piano piano
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Speaker 1: based que.
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Speaker 4: There we go.
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Speaker 1: That's how my brain's working. Appreciate you eight win three
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Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
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Speaker 1: You guys want to get in touch on anything? You
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Speaker 1: want to talk more? Ian walkins and lost prophets, more
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Speaker 1: stories from music history that upset you. More Foo Fighters.
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Speaker 1: you to watch right now, but that we have settled
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Speaker 1: the debate of what our next episode is going to be.
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Speaker 1: We put it to the people over on Patreon. We
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Speaker 1: a Wes Anderson film. We weren't sure if it was
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Speaker 3: Let's move on to Feel My Heat, which is the
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Speaker 3: category where we ask is the actor good at singing?
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Speaker 3: And I think we know the answer to this.
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Speaker 1: This, the answer to this could have been the answer
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Speaker 1: to every single category in here.
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Speaker 8: Don't know to this field.
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Speaker 9: And if you feel gonna scom it up, it's.
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Speaker 1: Scene I actually want to be at more than anything.
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Speaker 3: When Barry's band, which was originally called Sonic Death Monkey,
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Speaker 3: but they're going to change their name to Kathleen Turner Overdrive,
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Speaker 3: which is one of the greatest.
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Speaker 1: Song it's so great, it's almost as good as Willie
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Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela, but Kathleen Turner Overdrive will do.
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Speaker 3: So they're playing that. You know, Rob's putting out this
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Speaker 3: this record, this EP by these these skater punks that
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Speaker 3: steal from his store, and he's djang. What's that Vincent? Justin,
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Speaker 3: Vince and Justin and he's Djang And Barry's band's playing,
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Speaker 3: and he tries to pay Barry often not play because
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Speaker 3: he thinks that Barry's band is gonna suck. And of
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Speaker 3: course Barry's band blows everybody away with this cover of
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Speaker 3: Let's Get It On by Marvin Gay.
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Speaker 1: But not as but not as Kathleen Turner Overdrive correct
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Speaker 1: as Barry in the uptown five. Right, that's right, that's right.
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Speaker 10: This scene was arresting when it happened in the theater,
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Speaker 10: Like Jack Black is like Nolan Ryan in the Ninth
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Speaker 10: Inning and they're like, dude.
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Speaker 1: You just threw a no hitter. Go rest. He's like,
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Speaker 1: fuck that.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's extra innings and he comes out and he
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Speaker 11: strikes out the side. Yeah, like Jack Black. It's it's
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Speaker 11: like he's already given you so much. And then I
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Speaker 11: don't know if that's in the script. I have to
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Speaker 11: see if that's in the script. It's most certainly not
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Speaker 11: in the movie. I don't think the scene where the
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Speaker 11: guy it would be too perfect, right, it would be
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Speaker 11: too perfect for.
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Speaker 1: Them to cast him and for him to kill it
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Speaker 1: like this. I see this in my head as like
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Speaker 1: he was like, you know I can sing, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean? It just like proved himself on the set,
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Speaker 1: like right, give me this.
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Speaker 3: You know they were looking at already Lang for this
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Speaker 3: role before they got Jack Black.
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Speaker 1: They were for fucking stuttering John is Rob Like what
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Speaker 1: the fuck?
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Speaker 5: Really?
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, that's the high fidelity episode of this
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Speaker 1: we made a little real about what we were talking
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Speaker 1: about in the after party last week about how Jim
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Speaker 1: Morrison died, and there's this theory we went through it.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through the whole thing here again,
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Speaker 1: but the theory that you know, Jim didn't die from
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Speaker 1: very very clear about it not being my necessarily my opinion,
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Speaker 1: you just if it's something different with the medium mediums
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Speaker 1: understand where I'm coming from, what my point of view
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Speaker 1: other people. But it's just you put any any anything
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Speaker 1: Now I am hyper convinced we will be doing an
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Speaker 1: list top thirty greatest living American artist from the point
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Speaker 1: about the artists who were not on this list. It's
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Speaker 1: enough to send you straight up the poll man. Man,
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Speaker 1: this list, it's weird. This is one of those lists
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Speaker 1: where I met I said this earlier, and I meant it.
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Speaker 1: In a way I completely get the list. In a way,
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Speaker 1: a ton of artists on this episode, as we do
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Speaker 1: every week. We did it with a little more structure
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Speaker 1: this week than we do usually. We talked about Ice Tea,
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Speaker 1: Rick James, Frank Sinatra, Paul McCartney, and Billie Holiday. Those
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Speaker 1: in September twenty twelve, Mega disgrace, Ian Walkins from Lost
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