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Bonus Episode: The Grateful Dead Psyop Theory and the Laurel Canyon Pop Star Military Industrial Complex · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we
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  Speaker 1: like to call the after party. This is the show
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  Speaker 1: after the show, the party after the party, the bridge
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  Speaker 1: to get from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other.
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  Speaker 1: The backyard, to dig into the dirt, our mission to
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  Speaker 1: uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story.
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  Speaker 1: On this bonus episode, we're disrupting the Grateful Dead CIA
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  Speaker 1: psyop theory, previewing next week's new episode, Part two of
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  Speaker 1: Our Inexcess Tale. And in the exclusive section, we dive
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  Speaker 1: into Laurel Canyon pop stars in their Military Industrial Complex parents.
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  Speaker 1: Plus we get into your emails, comments, dms, and as always,
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of rosie. This is the podcast for
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  Speaker 1: the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know
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  Speaker 1: that the best history is the history that gets buried.
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  Speaker 1: Disgracelands where I tell the stories they didn't want told,
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  Speaker 1: the kind you'll end up telling someone else, all Right,
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  Speaker 1: Discos let's get into it. So apparently you can't spell
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Garcia without Cia Garcia. Now, there are some that
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  Speaker 1: will have you believe that Jerry Garcia was a knowing
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  Speaker 1: participant in the federal government's covert manipulation of American youth,
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  Speaker 1: and that The Grateful Dead's iconic de facto leader was
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  Speaker 1: a working spy along with the band's sound man Augustus
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  Speaker 1: Stanley bear Owsley, and the rest of the Dad's band members,
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  Speaker 1: including Bob Weir, they were compromised supposedly as well, and
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  Speaker 1: that you know this all proves that Weir's and Mickey
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  Speaker 1: Hart's membership at Bohemian Grove was nothing but a malevolent
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  Speaker 1: extension of the band's CIA affiliation. Wackado. No shade to
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  Speaker 1: anyone who believes this, but I'm gonna tell you why
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  Speaker 1: you're wrong. I don't believe this, obviously, and if you
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  Speaker 1: listen to my recent episode on Bob Weir, you'll learn
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  Speaker 1: exactly what I think about Bob Weir's affiliation with Bohemian Growth. However,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of that episode, I put the question
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  Speaker 1: to you, guys, what do you think of my assessment
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  Speaker 1: of Bobby's affiliation with Bohemian grove, and some of you
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  Speaker 1: do indeed believe that the Grateful Dead was far more
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  Speaker 1: involved with the CIA's efforts than I do, and that
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  Speaker 1: the Dead were in fact knowing participants in mk Ultra.
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  Speaker 1: The CIA is psyop to counter and discredit the impact
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  Speaker 1: of the hippie movement. As a quick refresher, mk Ultra
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  Speaker 1: was a top secret illegal human experimentation program conducted by
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  Speaker 1: the Central Intelligence Agency from nineteen fifty three through the
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  Speaker 1: early nineteen seventies. It is a documented fact, guys, that
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  Speaker 1: the CIA, through its mk ULTRA program used willing and
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  Speaker 1: I repeat the word willing participants Americans to experiment on
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  Speaker 1: with LSD and other drugs to test the drugs effectiveness
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  Speaker 1: when it came to mind control basically, and many now
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  Speaker 1: notable Americans signed up to be guinea pigs for this project. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Whitey Bulger when he was at Alcatraz, the unibomber ted Kazinski,
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  Speaker 1: author Ken Kesey, and Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter. Those
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  Speaker 1: are facts. But what's less proven but believable is that
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  Speaker 1: the CIA used Americans on the fringe of society, sex workers,
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  Speaker 1: homeless and transient men for their drug tests as well,
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  Speaker 1: supposedly discarding these individuals once their brains were properly scrambled
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  Speaker 1: by the drugs and their usefulness had run its course. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's the nearly proven but not totally locked
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  Speaker 1: down theory that the CIA had roped in x Con
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  Speaker 1: Charles Manson, roped him into their MK Ultra program, and
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  Speaker 1: that they weren't only experimenting on him, but we're using
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  Speaker 1: him and as wack could do hippie dippy bullshit to
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  Speaker 1: discredit the hippie movement. I happened to believe this Manson theory,
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  Speaker 1: or at least part of it. But what I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe is that The Grateful Dead's band members were willing,
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  Speaker 1: in active participants with the CIA and the CIA's the
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  Speaker 1: agency's efforts in the sixties, whatever those efforts may have been,
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  Speaker 1: and that the band was or is, as some have claimed,
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  Speaker 1: a quote unquote ssyop. Now you can go and read it.
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  Speaker 1: You can read extensively about this, You can read about
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  Speaker 1: it elsewhere. Okay, there are lots of elements of this theory,
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  Speaker 1: but the least batshit crazy belief fievable version of this
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  Speaker 1: theory is that Robert Hunter again, the Dead's lyricists that
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  Speaker 1: his participation in the acid tests, which you can hear
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  Speaker 1: about in Our Grateful Dead Part one episode, proves that
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  Speaker 1: the band were CIA affiliated. I can kind of see that, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And again, this is the least batshit version of this
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  Speaker 1: Grateful Dead as a psyop theory, which I don't believe,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I'm just giving it to you, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The theory also states that as the band matured and
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  Speaker 1: their troubles with the law progress arrests on the road
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  Speaker 1: fans who went missing deaths at their shows in the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventies in the eighties, that Grateful Dead band members
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  Speaker 1: became compromised and, in an attempt to keep themselves out
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  Speaker 1: of jail, began working for the federal government the CIA,
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  Speaker 1: using their music to affect mind control on the masses,
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  Speaker 1: some sort of mass hypnosis to dumb down liberal American youth.
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  Speaker 1: I find this theory to be funny as shit. Okay, wait,
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  Speaker 1: I forget the best part that Bob We're Mickey Hart's
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  Speaker 1: affiliation with Bohemian Gross supposedly ends up proving this conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: in the end. Okay, forget about that. That's important, and
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  Speaker 1: also so does the lyric from the Dead song of
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  Speaker 1: us Blues, it goes Uncle Sam, That's who I am
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  Speaker 1: been hanging out in a rock and roll band. These
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  Speaker 1: are some of the uh this is saw, some of
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  Speaker 1: the so called truth that the theorists, conspiracy theorists believe.
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  Speaker 1: The more I learn about this conspiracy theory, the more
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  Speaker 1: I love it, okay, and also the more I hate it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it because it's so absurd that it's actually comical.
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  Speaker 1: Because once you get to know the character of the
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  Speaker 1: individual band members from researching them, or you know, from
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  Speaker 1: diving deep into the music being a fan, whatever, it
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  Speaker 1: becomes obvious that the Grateful Dead were physically, mentally, intellectually
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  Speaker 1: and spiritually unable to work on any level with authority
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  Speaker 1: figures of any kind. Jerry Garcia would have marched himself
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  Speaker 1: off to the gallows smiling before he'd work with the
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  Speaker 1: federal government on any effort to harm anyone, never mind
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  Speaker 1: dead heads. On the other hand, I hate this theory
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  Speaker 1: because it totally discredits the actual Grateful Dead Cia conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theory that I believe is true, and that's that the
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  Speaker 1: Dead unknowingly, that the Grateful Dead unknowingly was used and
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  Speaker 1: manipulated by the CIA into influencing American use through LSD proliferation,
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  Speaker 1: and in a lot of ways. The result of this
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  Speaker 1: was that a benevolent counterculture was created that otherwise wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have existed without the CIA's malevolent efforts. Okay, how's that
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  Speaker 1: for irony? Again? More on that in episode one. And
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  Speaker 1: this is the problem with conspiracy theorists. They go so
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  Speaker 1: far that they discredit themselves. The less juicy version of
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  Speaker 1: this theory is actually supported by the facts. The theory
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  Speaker 1: that I just stated, and that I believe will one
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  Speaker 1: day be proven. But to make this case, you got
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  Speaker 1: to work your way through a of eye rolls that
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  Speaker 1: stem from the ludicrous claims of the juicier version of
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  Speaker 1: the theory. Okay, isn't it enough to believe that the
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  Speaker 1: grateful dead soundman bear Owsley was a likely CIA asset
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  Speaker 1: or a pawn of the CIA, and that his efforts
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  Speaker 1: directly influenced the band on behalf of the agency. Do
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  Speaker 1: we have to go all the way to Jerry and Bob.
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  Speaker 1: We're using LSD to implant false memories into dead heads.
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  Speaker 1: Man Cornell's seventy seven never happened, Man Scarlet pigonis.
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  Speaker 3: Never get played.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, you let the CIA stash trick you and everyone
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  Speaker 1: else into thinking that there were a show that never
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  Speaker 1: took place. That's a good one. Look that one up.
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  Speaker 1: There's literally a theory that claims that the Dead Live
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  Speaker 1: album in the show the actual show Cornell from nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy seven. Cornell seventy seven is a theory that the
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  Speaker 1: show never took place, and that the Grateful Dead, along
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  Speaker 1: with the CIA, wanted to what's the term memory hole
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  Speaker 1: their fans into believing that they actually attended an event
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  Speaker 1: that didn't happen as a means to test out the
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  Speaker 1: mind control capabilities of LSD's It's a good one. It's
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  Speaker 1: a good one worth looking up again. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: but this offends me on a personal level because Cornell
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  Speaker 1: seventy seven is my favorite favorite recording of any recording
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  Speaker 1: of The Grateful Dead. Now, what doesn't offend me are
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  Speaker 1: the rays of truth shining through all this conspiracy muck
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  Speaker 1: my cynicism around the Grateful Dead MK ultra theory does
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  Speaker 1: not extend to Charles Manson. Manson's relationship with the federal
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  Speaker 1: government and the absolute bogus pile of lies that we
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  Speaker 1: were fed about. Helter Skelter is for many reasons, much
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  Speaker 1: more plausible to me, and it's occurring to me now
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  Speaker 1: as I write this set. For as much as I've
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  Speaker 1: written about Charles Manson here in Disgrace and I never
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  Speaker 1: fully explored the MK ultra angle, and that maybe that's
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  Speaker 1: that's something we should dive into somehow in an episode
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  Speaker 1: or something. Another story connected to MK ultra in music
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  Speaker 1: history and the Grateful Dead that I'm super interested in
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  Speaker 1: is about the musicians from Laurel Canyon in the nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixties who were supposedly linked to military intelligence and used
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  Speaker 1: by the CIA to discredit and control, supposedly control the
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  Speaker 1: hippie movement. And these musicians, these pop stars, were the
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  Speaker 1: sons and daughters of military men, the again big time
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  Speaker 1: rockstars Frank Zappa, Stephen still Is, Jackson Brown more. This
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  Speaker 1: theories one that has always always fascinated me. I have
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  Speaker 1: never looked into it. I should, I am, I will Zeth,
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  Speaker 1: and I are going to dig into the story of
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  Speaker 1: the CIA and the Dead. We're obviously talking about this
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  Speaker 1: because of the Bob Weir episode in the Feed this week.
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  Speaker 1: Check that out if you have not already, along with
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  Speaker 1: our two other episodes on the Grateful Dead and for
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  Speaker 1: more on the subject of the CIA munking up the
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  Speaker 1: lives of our rock stars. We've got our Bob Marley
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  Speaker 1: episode coming at you in our rewind slot right after
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  Speaker 1: this after party next week on Tuesday, Part two of
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  Speaker 1: our Inexcess story hits and look in Excess. They're not
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  Speaker 1: the band that we thought they were, or at least
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  Speaker 1: their origins. They're origins, you know, for a band that
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  Speaker 1: sort of personified this, this sort of like pretty popstar
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  Speaker 1: eighties thing they come from just you know, ultra violence.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible. The world, the scene, the Australian music scene
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  Speaker 1: that these guys came from and what they became. You
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  Speaker 1: kind of get it with ac DC, You're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I get how these guys were part of a tough
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  Speaker 1: scene back home. It's it's more counterintuitive. Within Excess, obviously
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  Speaker 1: some incredible bands from down Under. In Excess ACDC, just
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  Speaker 1: name a few, And it occurred to me that we
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  Speaker 1: often limit our view of consequential rock bands to just
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  Speaker 1: the United States and England. But obviously they're a great
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  Speaker 1: bands from all over. So when you're listening to the
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  Speaker 1: in Excess episode, be thinking about great groups from elsewhere
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  Speaker 1: and get at me and let me know which international
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  Speaker 1: artists bands not from the United States or from England.
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  Speaker 1: Let me know which international group or musical artists you
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  Speaker 1: think has had the most impact on popular culture. Is
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  Speaker 1: it in Excess? Is it ACDC? Is it Bad Bunny?
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  Speaker 1: Is it? I don't know? Is it I was gonna
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  Speaker 1: say the undertones, but it's not the undertones? Who is it?
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  Speaker 1: Neil Young from Canada? Who let me know which international
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  Speaker 1: artist has influenced this the most? Let me know your thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: PTA worked with this music supervisor on this movie, yes,
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  Speaker 3: in order to get this the way that it is.
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  Speaker 3: Her name is Karen Rackman, and she kind of has
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  Speaker 3: a fascinating backstory. I just wanted to get into this
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  Speaker 3: for a second.
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  Speaker 4: Here.
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  Speaker 3: Her credits before this included she did Reservoir Dogs, pulp fiction,
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  Speaker 3: Reality Bites, some other movies before she gets in here,
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  Speaker 3: and her sort of origin is that Tarantino was making
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  Speaker 3: Reservoir Dogs and he wrote that scene with Steelers Wheel
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  Speaker 3: song and it stuck in the middle with you. He
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  Speaker 3: wrote that with that song in mind, and he was
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  Speaker 3: having a really hard time getting Jerry Rafferty and the
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  Speaker 3: other guy to let him use the song because one
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  Speaker 3: of them was hardcore Christian didn't want to end this
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  Speaker 3: scene with all this violence and stuff. He meets this woman,
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  Speaker 3: Karen Rackman, and she's like, hang on, I'll deal with it.
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  Speaker 3: And she goes and she sweet talks to those guys,
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  Speaker 3: gets them to green light the song, and Quentin Tarantino
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  Speaker 3: was like, you're gonna supervise my whole movie, and then
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  Speaker 3: brings her on board for pulp fiction and then she
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  Speaker 3: goes onto this Where did.
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  Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino meet Karen Rackman? Do we have any idea?
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  Speaker 3: I don't have any I don't have that level of information.
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  Speaker 1: Because I just did a little snooping on the and
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  Speaker 1: the interwebs here and you know who Karen Rackman's brother is?
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  Speaker 1: Who Ricky Rackman head Banger's Ball. Yes, yes, Ricky Rackman
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  Speaker 1: back on the head Bangers Ball.
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  Speaker 3: It's my birthday show of Head Banger's Ball tonight.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: I always thought Ricky Rackman's last name was actually fake.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like a stage name.
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  Speaker 1: I always thought Ricky Rackman was Casey Casey's kid, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still not convinced otherwise, because they're kind
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  Speaker 1: of the same, a younger version of it. I thought
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  Speaker 1: that way. Anyways.
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  Speaker 3: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, Ricky Rackman's sister so pretty legendary. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: come on, like what lists those movies again? That she's
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  Speaker 1: a music supervisor And for those who don't know what
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  Speaker 1: a music supervisor is, they're essentially the buck stops with
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  Speaker 1: them on music in the film, aside from the director,
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  Speaker 1: because the buck stops with the director on everything in
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  Speaker 1: a film, but the music supervisor is in charge of
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  Speaker 1: not only getting the soundtrack figured out and the license,
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  Speaker 1: the song's license for the movie, for the needle drops,
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  Speaker 1: but also handling the composer basic everything. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: didn't really start as that, but that's what it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of become, right, And and it sounds like she just
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  Speaker 1: kind of got pulled into this by by Tarantino and
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  Speaker 1: this career just she made this happen for herself with
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  Speaker 1: Reservoir Dogs, and then what was the next one? She did?
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  Speaker 3: Pulp fiction, reality bites, Clueless, Get Shorty, Basketball Diaries, Romeo
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  Speaker 3: and Juliet Off of Space She essentially I think you
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  Speaker 3: could argue that she Yeah Boo nights. Of course, I
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  Speaker 3: think you could argue that she kind of changed movie
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  Speaker 3: soundtracks forever. I feel like there's a before and then
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  Speaker 3: after these nineties soundtracks, don't you think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh Man off of Space down. It feels
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  Speaker 1: good to do gangs so good.
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  Speaker 6: We gotta do that one, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Karen Rackman, gonna pour one out for Karen Rackman.
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  Speaker 1: I feel I feel I'm ashamed that I haven't ever
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  Speaker 1: come across this name before. All right, guys, you want
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  Speaker 1: from the seven to two seven, Hey, Jake.
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  Speaker 4: This is Alex from the seven two seven. I've become
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  Speaker 4: a fan of Mani Street Preachers in the past few years,
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  Speaker 4: and I was wondering if you've ever done an episode
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  Speaker 4: on the number of Manu Street Preachers that disappeared years ago.
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  Speaker 4: I think it would be a really fascinating episode. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: keep it up. You're my favorite podcast. Peace Alex.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for the call. Man have not Richie Edwards as
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  Speaker 1: who you're talking about from Mani Street Preachers. We got
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  Speaker 1: That was going to be the season we did of
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  Speaker 1: and then we're thinking about it for season two. And
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  Speaker 1: then I actually had talks with some studios about a
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  Speaker 1: a limited television series, but it never went anywhere. So
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of been on the burner here for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Something we're absolutely going to get into at some point.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fascinating and sad story. I should really dive
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  Speaker 1: to get into telling this story. Thanks for the call.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Alex. All right, let's check out this voicemail
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  Speaker 5: This is mister Taylor from Raleigh, North Carolina, and I
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  Speaker 5: just finished the Media as a Potat episode and it
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  Speaker 5: was great, But I was struck by the fact that
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  Speaker 5: on multiple occasions you referenced me as privilege upbringing, growing
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  Speaker 5: up in a penthouse overlooking Central Park, and it reminds
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  Speaker 5: me from growing up in the nineties when authenticity was
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  Speaker 5: often weaponized against musicians. Hip hop artists were criticized for
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  Speaker 5: not being real gangsters, right, which is absurd the idea
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  Speaker 5: that largely suburban white kids would regularly criticize black artists
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  Speaker 5: for not being gangster enough. I remember people slamming Nirvana's
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  Speaker 5: unplugged performance because Kurt used an electric guitar on the
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  Speaker 5: Man who Sold the World to get that haunting Nick
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  Speaker 5: Ronson sounds, And to this day I still hear people
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  Speaker 5: hate on the Strokes because doing Casablanca's father was a
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  Speaker 5: rich and powerful fashion executive, as though that had any
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  Speaker 5: impact on the incredible music they wrote. So what is
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  Speaker 5: it about music fans that we demand authenticity? Are we
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  Speaker 5: asking too much of our musicians that they continue destructive behavior.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure many of us have said some
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  Speaker 5: version of the old line they were better before they
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  Speaker 5: got clean, as if being a junkie makes you a
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  Speaker 5: better guitarist. So I mean this idea that trauma and
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  Speaker 5: destructive behavior are the key themes behind this podcast. We
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  Speaker 5: know that without it we wouldn't have this amazing show
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  Speaker 5: and these stories. But why are music fans so critical
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  Speaker 5: of musicians who aren't harnessing bill trauma? Is the music
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  Speaker 5: better if it comes from people who are self destructive?
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  Speaker 5: I'm just curious to hear your take on this. Appreciate
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  Speaker 5: all the hard work rock.
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  Speaker 1: And ROLLA hey, fantastic call, Thank you a lot to
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  Speaker 1: get into. On me as a pada, and on our
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  Speaker 1: mentioning of her privileged background, I hope that wasn't I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you were. I don't think you took that
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  Speaker 1: as we're being critical of her or claiming that she
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  Speaker 1: think we was mentioned as a point of fact because
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  Speaker 1: it obviously is a contrast between the life she lived
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  Speaker 1: as a musician and was living as a musician and
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  Speaker 1: the themes and some of the some of the themes
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  Speaker 1: in her music, et cetera. You would not expect that
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  Speaker 1: somebody from privilege would have that point of view. And
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  Speaker 1: I think you can say the same thing about a
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  Speaker 1: lot of artists, and I wasn't. We weren't discrediting her
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  Speaker 1: in any way because of that. Not that I necessarily
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  Speaker 1: think that was your point, but after playing the message,
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  Speaker 1: I could see some people hearing it and taking that
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  Speaker 1: as your point. So I just wanted to clarify that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't to answer your
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  Speaker 1: question about why there's such a a fervor or such,
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  Speaker 1: why fans are so demanding that their artists be authentic.
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  Speaker 1: I think in a lot of ways, rock and roll
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  Speaker 1: is born of feral authenticity, and all the great movements
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  Speaker 1: in popular music, whether it's blues, country, punk, grunge, hip hop,
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  Speaker 1: there's always this hardcore authenticity at the center of it
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  Speaker 1: in ways that isn't necessarily represented in other elements of society,
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  Speaker 1: in Hollywood, in politics and sports, and rock and roll.
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  Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, popular music, I should say,
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways kind of cornered the market
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  Speaker 1: culturally on authenticity, and I think that leads that has
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  Speaker 1: led to the demand. I have never been one of
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  Speaker 1: these people. I loved the Strokes when they came out,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, And I was smart enough to know that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the a lot of the DC hardcore
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  Speaker 1: band's not going to name any names that I that
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  Speaker 1: I was into growing up, or even some of the
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  Speaker 1: New York hardcore bands, or like the Beastie Boys or whoever,
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  Speaker 1: like that these guys came from families that were, you know,
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  Speaker 1: of a different class than the family that I came from,
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  Speaker 1: and that was part of the reason. I mean, certainly
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  Speaker 1: the Beastie Boys for example, you know, if if their
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  Speaker 1: parents weren't who they were, and I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 1: you know their parents were truly and Casablancis's parents, but
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  Speaker 1: you know I didn't. I you know, Mike D's mom
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  Speaker 1: was like a famous art dealer, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Like who their parents were directly impacted who the Beastie
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  Speaker 1: Boys became. I'm not going to besmirch them for that
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  Speaker 1: in any way, but I don't know. I hope I
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  Speaker 1: answered your question on the authenticity piece. I hope I did.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that historically we have look to rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll with a higher standard when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the concept of authenticity, then we do other elements of
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  Speaker 1: our culture, and that's why fans are so demanding of it.
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  Speaker 1: Hope that answered your question. Thanks to Carlin. Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Smith's Pod. Also, you mentioned bourbons quite often. I was
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  Speaker 1: merely curious if there were a few bourbons you enjoy
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  Speaker 1: more than others. As a chef, I can't help a
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  Speaker 1: pair of stuff together. And when I listen to Disgrace
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  Speaker 1: whichever pod I'm sinking my ears teeth into. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: all that you do, rock a rolla. Yeah, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of bourbons that I like. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if it depends on what shape my bank account's in.
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  Speaker 1: But I do enjoy some Blantons, and I try to
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  Speaker 1: keep at least one bottle of Blantons in my bar
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  Speaker 1: here at home for when I you know, when I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna have just one bourbon, just me alone with one
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  Speaker 1: drink that night, I'll go for a Blantons. I like
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  Speaker 1: the knob Creek rye. Not exactly bourbon, but I like
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  Speaker 1: their rye a lot. Can't go wrong with Woodford Reserve.
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  Speaker 1: I know some snobs will say otherwise. In Buffalo Trace.
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  Speaker 1: Buffalo Trace is a good affordable, mid mid level, affordable bourbon.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I've had some Van Winkles at my
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  Speaker 1: time too, and tasty, damn tasty. So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: I'd love to talk more bourbon. Anyone else want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about bourbon, hit me up. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: pretend that I know a lot about it. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I basically just gave you my whole, all of my
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  Speaker 1: knowledge as somebody's been done a bourbon tour before. Not
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it's stuck. And you can probably guess why.
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  Speaker 1: But if anyone on any of you are bourbon connoisseurs,
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  Speaker 1: get in touch. I'd love to learn more from talking
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  Speaker 1: relationship to Bob Weir's Bohemian Grove affiliation, this ticked me
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