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Ep. 799: Mindsets of the Whitetail Masters: Andrae D'Acquisto · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on
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  Speaker 1: the show, we are continuing our new series exploring the habits, mindsets,
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  Speaker 1: methods and routines of the best deer hunters in the world,
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  Speaker 1: and today our guest is the one and only Andre
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  Speaker 1: de Quisto.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to
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  Speaker 2: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host Mark Kenyon.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought
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  Speaker 1: to you by First Light, and today we are continuing
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  Speaker 1: our new series. As I just mentioned, this is our
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  Speaker 1: Mindsets of the Whitetail Masters series, in which we are
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  Speaker 1: trying to get a behind the scenes look at what's
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  Speaker 1: going on in the minds of these absolute top tier
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  Speaker 1: elite deer hunters. What are the mindsets, what are their philosophies,
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  Speaker 1: What are the habits and routines and little things that
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  Speaker 1: they do and little things that they believe in that
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  Speaker 1: continue to help them have consistent deer hunting success. That's
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  Speaker 1: what we're trying to figure out. So far, we've spoken
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  Speaker 1: with John Eberhart, Ben Rising, and now today Andre de Quisto.
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  Speaker 1: Andre is pretty legendary within the whitetail hunting world. He's
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  Speaker 1: the founder of Lone Wolf now Lone Wolf Custom Gear
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  Speaker 1: as well. He was a part of the white Tail
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  Speaker 1: addictionous TV show, still is, and he is just truly
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  Speaker 1: a master and an innovator within the white tail world.
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  Speaker 1: So many of the tactics and strategies that folks use
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  Speaker 1: now in large part stem from Andrea's kind of kicking
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  Speaker 1: this aggressive mobile hunting movement off decades ago. He's still
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  Speaker 1: doing that today with incredible success. And so my hope
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  Speaker 1: was to try to get a better understanding of why
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  Speaker 1: that is the case, of what's going on behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 1: or what is it about Andre's personality or about his
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  Speaker 1: drive or about his motivations that has led to all
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  Speaker 1: of this. I think those are some of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I'm starting to pick up on as we have
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  Speaker 1: these conversations. In some cases with these guys, they don't
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  Speaker 1: even necessarily have a specific habit or routine or mindset
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  Speaker 1: that they explicitly overtly realize that they're following or realize
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  Speaker 1: that they're implementing. But there are things going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes that maybe even are happening without them realizing
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  Speaker 1: that all seem to be in common. These people have
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  Speaker 1: tremendous drive. They are very, very goal oriented. They are
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  Speaker 1: unwilling to accept failure in the way that they define it.
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  Speaker 1: They are able to push through whatever challenges face them.
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  Speaker 1: They are dog headed, they are determined, and they learn.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a key thing, is that they have
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  Speaker 1: learned from their own experiences. They've let their eyes, their
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  Speaker 1: experiences inform what they do. They are not beholden to
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  Speaker 1: some magazine article or to some preconceived notion of the past.
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  Speaker 1: That those are a few things that have stood up
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  Speaker 1: to me so far, and I think you're going to
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  Speaker 1: see some of that pop up here in my conversation
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  Speaker 1: with Andre, and a lot more so I will just
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  Speaker 1: let Andre speak for himself. Now, this is another great one.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're all going to learn something here today.
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  Speaker 1: We have a new educational series from Meet Eat for
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  Speaker 1: most common questions we'd get. Our first episode that just
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  Speaker 1: came out recently was all about what deer eat and
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  Speaker 1: what times of year they eat different things, and how
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  Speaker 1: importance of scouting and understanding the right here and now
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I've been hearing some good things about the
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  Speaker 1: first couple episodes. I hope you are feeling the same way,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to do my very best to make
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  Speaker 3: Are even better.
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  Speaker 1: So with that said, and without any further ado, let's
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  Speaker 1: get to my chat with Andre Dquisto. All right, with
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  Speaker 1: me back on the show, we've got, mister Andre Dquisto.
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  Speaker 3: Andre, thank you so much for joining me. Hein no problem.
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  Speaker 1: I greatly appreciate every time that you make time to speak.
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  Speaker 1: It means the world to me, and I know our
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  Speaker 1: audience is always is always really happy about it. So
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  Speaker 1: as I as I told you off air, We've got
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  Speaker 1: this new series going on right now in which we're
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  Speaker 1: trying to get a different look at how people achieve
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  Speaker 1: white tail success. You know, rather than asking people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: where do you put your tree stands? What's your favorite
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  Speaker 1: time of year to hunt? You know, rather than those
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  Speaker 1: kind of like surface level questions, I'm trying to kind
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  Speaker 1: of look under the hood, like see like what are
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  Speaker 1: the things going on in the best of the best
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  Speaker 1: white tail hunter's minds that help them have so much success.
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  Speaker 1: So those those are the kinds of questions I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to run you through today. It's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: little different, so hopefully you're up for a change of pace.
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  Speaker 1: That's I'm good, always up for a change of pace,
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  Speaker 1: all right. So so what I want to kind of
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  Speaker 1: start with is a little bit of an understanding about
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  Speaker 1: how you.
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  Speaker 3: Define success.
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  Speaker 1: So really to take us off simply that under how
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  Speaker 1: do you define deer hunting success for yourself?
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  Speaker 3: For me, it would be.
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  Speaker 4: Harvesting the animal that I set my goal out for.
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  Speaker 4: I'll know in advance, know the animals that I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to be hunting, and actually getting on those deer and
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  Speaker 4: getting them on video. You know, we have the show
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  Speaker 4: White til Addictions now, So a successful hump would be
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  Speaker 4: target book on video and getting good, good footage self filming.
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  Speaker 4: So that's where I'm at in my days.
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  Speaker 1: Now, is there any scenario in which you don't kill
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  Speaker 1: a buck but you would still view it as a success?
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how it would be a success. So
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  Speaker 4: I have multiple tags, multiple states. No, I guess for
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  Speaker 4: me it's it wouldn't be success. And last, sexually, there
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  Speaker 4: was an you know that deer on video at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the at the end of the season, fair enough,
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  Speaker 4: so I know that I can discuss failure.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's my next question is, how do you define
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting failure?
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  Speaker 4: A full season, over one hundred days of chasing around
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  Speaker 4: a deer, getting your opportunity and blowing a big time,
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  Speaker 4: which was one of the worst scenarios I've had in
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  Speaker 4: a lot of years. Happened to me last year, and
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  Speaker 4: I still normally can it off, get it over with.
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  Speaker 4: But the scenario, the situation I was in in any
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  Speaker 4: other year, any other year's past, there's no way this's
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  Speaker 4: deer would have made it out of there. And I
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  Speaker 4: hit the steering high over the spine and that living.
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  Speaker 4: So that's a big failure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's brutal. So how do you what do you
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  Speaker 1: do with that? Like, after that happens, how do you
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  Speaker 1: process it? How do you try to come back from that?
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  Speaker 4: The weird thing is that I always go back and
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  Speaker 4: replay what happened in my mind time and time again,
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  Speaker 4: and as long as I come up with the same scenario,
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have done anything different. It just whatever happened happened.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I got locked down with another huge buck.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I h pretty low, so I'm twelve feet
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  Speaker 4: off the ground and there's another deer that's basically got
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  Speaker 4: an idea. Something's up, and it's within ten yards of
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  Speaker 4: the stand, staring straight straight through me, and I'm facing him,
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  Speaker 4: and the other buck is like an eight yards to
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  Speaker 4: the right of me, and I got to go from
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  Speaker 4: there now and get to that deer before it gets
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  Speaker 4: on behind some pines and out of the scenario. And
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  Speaker 4: it was like I was just locked down, froze up.
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  Speaker 4: Like normally I just would not even pay attention to
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  Speaker 4: another deer. I would just make the move and go
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  Speaker 4: to shoot that deer. But this thing goes literally I
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  Speaker 4: were a head net down and I get away with
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  Speaker 4: murder on it.
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  Speaker 3: The deer look my.
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  Speaker 4: Way, but they don't basically see me or can't figure
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  Speaker 4: out what I am. But being so close and solo,
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  Speaker 4: I figured I just play it out and at some
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  Speaker 4: point in time you'd just take a turn the other
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  Speaker 4: way with his head or give me that little opportunity
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  Speaker 4: to ship my butt on a stand and get quartered
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  Speaker 4: on that. So this deer was on my you know, octually,
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  Speaker 4: on my week's side and starting to get buy me,
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  Speaker 4: and it's I literally had to at the last minute
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  Speaker 4: just jump up, swing around and stand, lean out and
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  Speaker 4: get a shot.
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  Speaker 3: Off before it got between two pines.
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  Speaker 4: So and whenever I do that and I lean right,
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  Speaker 4: I always end up shooting shooting high.
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  Speaker 3: But that's what happened.
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  Speaker 4: I can't even go back to the same spot on
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  Speaker 4: the ground and look at the stand site and everything,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like, how the hell did this? Did this
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  Speaker 4: even happen to me? So yeah, I belong and short,
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  Speaker 4: but that was a big failure. That was my main
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  Speaker 4: target buck. I did chase around some other deer, but
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  Speaker 4: I mean I was just on him like a hound
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  Speaker 4: all year, all over the property, and all boils down
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  Speaker 4: to one one minute, you know the song, and I
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  Speaker 4: blew it on this one.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, Do you have any.
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  Speaker 1: Favorite failure in the past, Like, is there another failure
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  Speaker 1: you can think of in your history of deer hunting
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  Speaker 1: that ended up really helping you, that you ended up
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  Speaker 1: really learning from.
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  Speaker 3: Could you tell me about that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know a failure, but I a deer I
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  Speaker 4: shot in Wisconsin many years ago. I ended up being
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  Speaker 4: like the number two in the state. I almost closed
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  Speaker 4: the deal in that deer the year before. He was
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  Speaker 4: probably one seventy ish, actually was one seventy fourth some
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  Speaker 4: with on his sheds anyhow, But I mean it was
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  Speaker 4: literally within a second or movement that the deer just
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  Speaker 4: decided to turn back around head in a swamp. But
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  Speaker 4: if I had to kill that deer, I never killed
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  Speaker 4: the deer at you know, one hundred and eighty nine inches,
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  Speaker 4: So that that's a failure. And I talk about that
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  Speaker 4: a lot sometimes a lot of those, you know, those
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  Speaker 4: deer that you.
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  Speaker 3: Don't get or tie into.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, it's nice that you're fourth now to
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  Speaker 4: let that deer get a year bigger, and sometimes they
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  Speaker 4: do get bigger than a round for you to hunt.
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  Speaker 3: So that one worked out for me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any deer like that that got away for
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  Speaker 1: one reason or another, whether you know, bad luck or
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  Speaker 1: a mistake on your part or something. Has there been
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  Speaker 1: any one of those that got away that then you
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  Speaker 1: learn from a dramatic.
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  Speaker 4: Way, Oh, learned a lesson on getting away?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or something about that hunt that even though it
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  Speaker 1: didn't end up well that year, because of that hard lesson,
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  Speaker 1: you learned you killed that deer in the next year,
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  Speaker 1: or you killed a lot of deer in the subsequent decades.
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  Speaker 1: I've made a few screw ups in the past, that man,
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  Speaker 1: it cost me that deer, But I never made that
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  Speaker 1: same mistake again, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that way.
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  Speaker 4: Wise, I'd have to go way way back on in
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  Speaker 4: my hunting career, probably to to find otes, because there
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  Speaker 4: was tons of mistakes that came up to becoming a
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  Speaker 4: pretty efficient hunter. Yeah, the things I learned on scent,
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  Speaker 4: the things I learned about cam ow and deer's habits,
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  Speaker 4: probably helped down the road I've keyed in over the
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  Speaker 4: years and over the decades. That complete and utter surprise
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  Speaker 4: attack I call it a virgin sit. You're in your
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  Speaker 4: best scenario, first time in never been in that stand before,
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  Speaker 4: you scoured it out. You got the sign and there's
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  Speaker 4: your there's your point right there, and now you ambush.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it is absolutely criminal. And this is what
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  Speaker 4: happened to me last year, that a deer can get
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  Speaker 4: within bow range your stand and get out without getting
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  Speaker 4: getting killed. That that should not happen. Everything should be
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  Speaker 4: prepared right, you go through your scenario, when you set
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  Speaker 4: up your stand, and when you mobile hunt, and you
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  Speaker 4: hunt like I hunt. Every stand in every tree is
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  Speaker 4: a complete new setup. So there's a little trimming that
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  Speaker 4: has to be done on there. Some loomb's going to
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  Speaker 4: be pulled out away. You got to play scenarios in
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  Speaker 4: your head, so you know it's game time, and a
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  Speaker 4: lot of these spots are so I read the sign
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  Speaker 4: and I know I'm getting my opportunity tonight. It just
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  Speaker 4: happened three years ago to it. There's another one. I
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  Speaker 4: actually blue and missed the deer. I've missed the deer
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  Speaker 4: in ages and I missed this thing big.
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  Speaker 3: But I knew I could even tell them.
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  Speaker 4: I told my wife, I told my friend that there
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  Speaker 4: is getting killed tonight, you know from camera, until I
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  Speaker 4: got what happened to the Snareriro, He's he's going to
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  Speaker 4: come out through that draw. He's been coming out all
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  Speaker 4: year checking that scrape, and I'll be there waiting. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you do all that, and if a deer comes in
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  Speaker 4: within these these ranges that you can shoot, it's just
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  Speaker 4: to me, it's like it's just criminal that you didn't
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  Speaker 4: be able to get a chance. Offer excuses, you know, limonoe,
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  Speaker 4: which happens, but you learn those hard lessons. But there's
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  Speaker 4: always something that can get get thrown at you. But
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  Speaker 4: a lot of my setups and my shots are really
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  Speaker 4: close range twenty yards and under, so there's really no
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  Speaker 4: excuse for me to be missing any animals.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: The one I did miss was a longer poll for me.
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  Speaker 4: I don't shoot thirty five yards this year here was
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  Speaker 4: so close to you know, you probably stab them with
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  Speaker 4: a with a spirit at and that just should not happen.
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  Speaker 4: And that that's kind of stuff that kind of hurts,
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  Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, And I'm not going to start saying
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  Speaker 4: I was playing, but that year I had some really
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  Speaker 4: some some major health issues, was burnt out. I have
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  Speaker 4: a sleep app in me. I've been slept in probably
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  Speaker 4: two years, so I was like I was going to
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  Speaker 4: war and having a sleep deprivation, and you know, it
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  Speaker 4: was just it was a brutal probably the most brutal
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  Speaker 4: season I've I've had over the years last year.
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  Speaker 3: And and I should.
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  Speaker 4: End up getting a couple deer on video, but not
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  Speaker 4: the one that I really wanted. So yeah, that's things,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I haven't been in that EXAC scenario, but similar,
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  Speaker 1: And I know how that feels. You mentioned that when
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  Speaker 1: you're setting up a location like that like virgin sits
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  Speaker 1: your brand new setup. Every time one of those points
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  Speaker 1: that I always struggle, I don't have to struggle with
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  Speaker 1: but in the moment, it kind of feels like torture
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  Speaker 1: is when you are trying to pick the right tree
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  Speaker 1: in that scenario and you're thinking through all the possible
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  Speaker 1: things that could happen.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there could be a deer that.
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  Speaker 1: Could come down this trail, but there's also a chance
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  Speaker 1: that might cross there, and then they might do this.
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  Speaker 3: You know, how do you approach that decision.
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  Speaker 4: You're probably overthinking that scenario, and that's probably what I
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  Speaker 4: get down to the more brass task. I'm not really
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  Speaker 4: an overthinker. The year I killed that real good one
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  Speaker 4: in Wisconsin, we finally checked the cameras, me and a
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  Speaker 4: buddy who were at the walmart. We put the film
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  Speaker 4: in there and also boom, the deer's back and my
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  Speaker 4: buddy gets paralyzed.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's stuttering, what are you gonna do?
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  Speaker 4: I said, I'm getting my ship together. I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: that swap and killing him, That's what I said. And
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  Speaker 4: he was just lost on He didn't know what to do,
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  Speaker 4: you know, so.
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  Speaker 3: I just go to it.
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  Speaker 4: I need an animal that's there and then just go
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  Speaker 4: after hunt them down, redesigned, just keep on them, and
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  Speaker 4: then you know it changes up as the seasons and
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  Speaker 4: and different things happened. But if he's there and he's
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  Speaker 4: living on the ground, you got uh, there's probably no
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  Speaker 4: reason why you shouldn't get at least an opportunity after that,
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  Speaker 4: especially the amount of time I hunt and stay on.
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  Speaker 4: Now in between that, there's tons of other animals, good
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  Speaker 4: animal that are passed up that you run into. The
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  Speaker 4: big problem I had last year with that scenarios I
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  Speaker 4: was running into and that's something I I guess there's
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  Speaker 4: something that I could get a little better on. I'll
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  Speaker 4: be scouting around for that animal and I run into
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  Speaker 4: something as nice or bigger and I already got like
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  Speaker 4: a certain animal kind of close to figure it out
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  Speaker 4: where you're getting close, and it's like.
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  Speaker 3: You know, screw that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm I'm jumping on this one because it's it's here
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  Speaker 4: now in the times right. You know it might be
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  Speaker 4: coming from you know, a neighbor's property or whatever. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm like a kid in a candy store. And last
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: year was on those years, it was a lot of
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: really nice bucks around and being able to have multiple tags.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking, you know, cocky sucker, I'm gonna dive in
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: here for two days kill this one, and then I'll
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: get back on that one.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: You know. I type of thinking that by the time.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: You get back to the other one, things are changing
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: up and moving and you got to start reworking it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: So I put on a ton of pressure on these animals.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: But the spot that I picked to set up is
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: I read all that sign going in right to about
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: where I think it's going to happen, and then from
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: there on, from where that deer is going to be
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: coming through to there, he ain't got a clue until
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: he gets has to get by me, and then he,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: you know, get the scent of all the shit that
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: had to happen or me walking around. And I never
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: let other deer, like you were just talking about what
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: if something comes this way or this scenario. I focus
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: in on that dear, and I don't give a shit
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: about anything else. I don't care about screwing up other
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: deer on the way in. I don't you know, if
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: I got that one pinned down, I know where he's coming.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: To and going from.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: I just focus, stay focused like a laser on that
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: that scenario, you know, So I don't let a lot
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: of other stuff cloued my mind.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: And do you look do you when you're setting it,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: when you're picking a spot or setting up your stand,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: do you have like one place Like me, my highest
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: probability of where I think that buck's going to come
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: through is like this one spot, and then you set
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: up one hundred percent for that and say like, that's
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: what he's going to do, and I will be perfectly
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: prepared for that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: The rest of the possibilities be dan, is that your pros.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: On that on that particular day and that set up
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: that I read the sign and I pick it, I don't.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I tried that years ago. Try to hog yeah, big areas, yep,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: to be able to shoot out further.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Put an extra pin on my will cover, you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: sixty yards instead of forty or thirty five yards.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: You know both way.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: When I say thirty five yards, I mean the whole swatch,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: not thirty five this way, thirty five that way. And
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: it's always come back to bite me. And the one
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: thing I've learned over the years is I picked the
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: fricking spots. These deer ended up coming right in right
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: to my almost like a deer magnet to come right
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: to where I when coming. So it's you know, fifteen
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: yard shot on animal that size, you know, you put
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: a pin on his chest, there's a lot of area around.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: It's very very easy to get it done, you know.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't do that trying to cover you know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: major spots, so that I kind of focus in on
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: one good kill, get the wind right there, everything's perfect.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I'll offer a little further away if I think
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: the I get right on the edge of a bad
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: wind or when that could be crucial. So you just
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: want to I want to set up the best opportunity
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: for me to get a shot at that deer. And
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: that's all you u is that one opportunity I call it,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: you know, capture in one moment in time, that's all
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: it takes.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So so I got to believe that thirty forty
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: years ago, it probably was harder for you to know
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: that perfect spot, perfect time, perfect setup. I'm sure there's
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: been a lot of evolution for you there. And I'm
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: curious if you were to look back over all the years,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: over all the decades you've been doing this, is there
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: any single change you made or choice you made that
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: has made like a huge impact on your success that
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: took you from an okay deer hunter to a great
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: deer hunter. Was there any shift that you made at
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: some point that was like that fork in the road.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I think it was a slow burn all the way
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I was a trapper. I really look at things different.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I'm look suck sick. I really tear apart and dissect everything,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: whether it's mechanical or in the field or sign that
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: I read, and I'm really attuned to it. So even
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: years ago, I was a big field edge hunter. I
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: could go walk a field edge could be an eighty
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: yard or eighty acre open fields. I could walk the
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: whole edge and just about be on the right trail
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: with the biggest buck coming out and get my get
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: my cracker, get an opportunity. I didn't capitalize all of
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: it because I wasn't all that greater shot. I still
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: need that greater shot, to tell you the truth, which
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: I'm going to work on this year. I got a
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: new white and I'm going to start start practicing a
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: little bit more. I know I was never one for
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: I'm not a guy that likes to shoot bowls for archery.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: But I would say the biggest thing that I've learned
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: over the years is this is not a team sport.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Hunting white tail at a bowl is a it's a
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: lone wolf sport. And the more guys going in, the
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: more guys munning up the water, just like with me
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: and my son.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Now we hud a lot of same properties.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: He's got all the tools I got, but I don't
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: know what he's doing or where he went. I know
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: exactly where I went. I went covered the whole forty acres,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: ran all over. I know everywhere I stepped, everywhere I
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: went everywhere. I kind of burged it up. So I
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: want to get my virgin sit. I might be sitting
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: on a virgin sit that I think is a virgin sit,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: and he might have been running around just inside that
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: all over. I might have been the opposite, right, and
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: we're kind of messing each other up, so we'd like
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: to You know, you're gonna hunt the north.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Side today, you go.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Don't come burning up and reading all the signs on
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: my side and then go hunt the north side.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Just here. I gotta take my area now.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: As the day goes by, or if it's a couple
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: of days, then it's it's everything. Every day is a
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: new day, so you go read it. And I used
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: to laugh to on the lease. I had an ILLINOI
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I was so much all over that, chasing these deer
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: around and just staying on their asses. These big bucks
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: would come out and they literally had a look in
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: her face like where the hell is this guy today?
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Type of look like I know he's in here, and
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: they just they're.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: They're moving through this property because they live there and
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: they gotta and I would be putting that type of
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: pressure on them, so really aggressive now, more of a
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: control aggression. I think I know a little bit more
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: than I knew. In the past. My curiosity was always
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: the peak of while I learned a lot of poking around,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: getting a little too close. I don't know how many
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: times in my career I've literally walked within five ten
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: feet of a huge bucks stealing their beds. And then
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: I was just ready to seen what I want to
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: see im. I was just ready to like turn around
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: and leave, and I turned the opposite way. I'd fricking
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: run face to face right up with these damp things.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: They'd make eye contacts and they just bust out of
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: their gone. So that's that was the thing I had
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: to You know, you never know how far you could
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: take it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: You take it too far. Well, that's taken a little fire.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: But some of these deer they get up, they get
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: up early enough, but they don't move out of a
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: little safety area. And if you're out of that little zone,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: you might as well be a couple hundred yards away
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: because you're not killing him until they get out and.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Move out of there.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: So seasons changed, at weather, it's changed at there's a
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: lot of things. So you just work those those scenarios in.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: At least.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I'm to the point now that I really ever second
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: doubt any anything I see, you read, or my setups. Again,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: same scenario that I did there. You know, I should
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: have did this, I could have did that. I probably
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: would have just had to handle it the same and
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: maybe fake could have took over and did something different.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: But I don't feel I made the wrong move. I
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: just feel I failed in my completion of that task.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of inches off, you know, make all
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: the difference. Yeah, exactly.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So what about you know, it sounds like that
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: was a slow burn over many years, You've gotten to
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: this point now where you just so much confidence in
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: your instincts. Has there been any recent change, like, has
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: there been any recent new belief or idea or habit
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you've picked up on in the last like five years
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: or so, that's made a big difference for you.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: No, because actually, well so I kind of backed I
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: backed off. I've hunted all my life, every year, harvested
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: deer every year in the last ten years, I think
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: I kind of I mean, when I went out of Howard,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: I was hunting out of state, doing a lot of hunts,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: really aggressively, going after deer. I normally wouldn't even hunt
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: a property that didn't have a caliber deer that I wanted.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: I've done that. I've waited around, you know, deer't Sometimes
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: something different will show up here. But there's nothing worse
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: than hunting. You know, I got all this land, all
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: this these acres to hunter. There's not a deer on
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: there you'd want to hunt. It's that's horrible. It's like
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: being in prison. So I've done that a couple and
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: you shouldn't do that every If you want to shoot
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: whatever you want to shoot, you should be on a
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: trail in the woods, on a trail where an all
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: at Kellerber's moving through. Imagine that the success you'd have
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: of hunting forty fifty days out of a season. If
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: every setup you're basically pretty close to being in the game,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: it brings your numbers way through the roof. I went
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: down to Illinois last year for the first time a
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: lease and hunted, had some cameras out, had some of
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: the other guys, until there was a huge buck there.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Went down just what I was knowing.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: I drove a little too deep in, but I set
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: up and I almost played it safe on this one.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: I picked the tree because of the wind one off.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: If I'd have picked the original tree, the one that
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I should have, I killed the two hundred and twenty
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: in frickin' buck. So I had to sit in the
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: video and watch him. And the problem with that is
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: i'd never done is either I was going to go there,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: harvest a decent one on video, get back to the buck,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: and I know what that I wanted to chase this
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: one that I missed. So now that scenarios I'll for
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: a whole day. Now I got a deer there that
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: if I'm hunting there, it's like him or nothing. So
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: as you know, now it's a struggle between do I
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: run to Illinoy to shoot that one, or do I
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: go back to Iowa to chase this one, and I
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: hate that scenario because I just excited. I wanted to
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: go there, take a decent bucket on video, and get
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: the hell out and get back to work here and
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: stay on it. So I did come back and I
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: kept hunting here, and I think I ended up there
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: a late season, earned the rut for a little bit,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: hoping to get that that deer disappeared. I ended up
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I think on a neighbor's property. I know, doing a
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: certain scenario. But it's like, now you're you know that
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: you're going there. Chances are not real good that you're
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: going to get an opportunity coming in for a weekend
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: here there to get a shot at that deer again,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: especially with like five or six other guys hunting and
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: then neighbors and that. So you did it because you
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: you might get a crack at it. But I wanted
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: to stay on that one deer that was the one
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: I really wanted a goal, So I spent most of
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: my time on that buck there. It's it's a love
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: hate type of thing, you know. It's it's almost like
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: it gets it's more of a it's not a fun
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: type und I know a lot of guys enjoy hunting,
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: and it's a lot of fun for him. It's last
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: year was the most AGNI magnifying. How can I even
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: describe it? I mean, I literally, I shouldn't even say this,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: but I literally passed out a couple of times in
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: the woods, literally physically was just spent completely out of gas.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: And I just, uh, I just pushed on. I just
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: pushed right on through it and kept on it. Uh.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: And I was getting soregressed.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: I was getting down in prime time hunting at eight
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning and just scouting like a maniac.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: And I was coming up with all kinds of other
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: nice deer, different deer and scenarios.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: So I was really I.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Guess I was trying to rush it really a lot
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: last year. I wanted to get a couple of good
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: ones down, you know, our fortieth was coming in there
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: on a kind of big year for the show and stuff,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: and I really was I.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Probably took it a little too a little too fast.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: My normal mode is an aggressive kind of methodical deal,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: and I think I was really almost in a hurry
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: to get something shot, move on to the next and
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: and move on, which I shouldn't have done. I should
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: have stayed focused on on that one deer.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Do you do you have any specific ways you're going
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to try to dress things differently this year?
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Well this year myself.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Issues have been all back in line now, uh, working
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: out a getting back and getting back in shape the
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: age deal. I can't I come to the assumption last year.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Last year I grew old. I mentally basically submitted to
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not the guy that I used to be. I'm
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: not Cody anymore running around top physical shape.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I mean I got a lot of jury.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I think I run a lot of guys thirty forty
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: years old on the ground he was still to this day.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: But I'm not the the machine that I was in
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: the past, and I just I had a that was
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: a big hurdle to mentally accept that this is the
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: next step down now, so you're gonna have to hunt
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: a little smarter. I guess I'm still I should I
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: put in. I started in freaking Kentucky in a hundred
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: degree weather. I think I had one hundred and over
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: one hundred days of morning and evening sets plus scouting
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: every day. I mean I was running myself completely freaking
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: into the ground and then not sleeping on top of
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: it or even good you know. So that's gonna stop
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: next year. So I've decided I can't do that anymore.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: So hopefully I could pick out a good deer to chase.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Hopefully there's not a bunch of different ones that can
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: be pulled different directions, and I can stay focused and
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: stay stay on.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: That one task, you know, and then move on from there. Yeah.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So if now that you are kind of in this
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: new phase where maybe you can't hunt quite as hard
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: as he used to, but you mentioned you want to
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: hunt smarter, maybe what does that look like?
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Like? What what's an example of how you might actually
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: put that into action? This year, I'll have.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: To make decision that if there's two good deer, I
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: can't be running all over, running down in Illinois for
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: a couple of days, running back up here, running Wisconsin,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: you know, run around like a chicken my head chopped off,
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: or a kid in the candy store. I'm gonna have
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: to try and stay focused on now that dear is
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: back here this year, that'll trump probably something even bigger
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: anywhere else because now there's a there's a debt to
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: be paid and I think that dear ows me an
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: another crack. So I want to stay on that deer.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: Hopefully it doesn't get killed by somebody else or whatever.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: But I'm praying at the deer's back on the property
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: that can stay focused on him, and again that he's
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: as big as he was.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Or or maybe bigger.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: But again, I think that one from Illinois is back too,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: So it's going to be a who knows what the
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: hell that thing to turn into? Uh this year, but
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: this one's going to be number one on my my
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: list here, So stay focused day on this one, get
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: the job done on this and then from there you
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: can go take it easy and hunt another state, or
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: or go hunt another a different buck, you know. So okay,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: but there will be less days in the woods. Probably
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: there will be less days and there, you know, but
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: probably still from opener right on through to late that
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I basically will be be in that field every every
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: day that I can.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So how do you how do you maintain that? Like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: how do you maintain stamina? How do you maintain that
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: level of pushing it without losing focus, without losing energy
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: and passing out?
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Like you like you talked about well after you, I couldn't.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Like you said, I had some major major issues with
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: the sleep appen and things of that nature. So in
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: a normal type of uh A year, I I just
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: maintain I've diden't like that all my life. We'd want
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: we'd run wind sprints in the football team, and I'd
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: be the last guy freaking running. Everybody else to be
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: puken and done, and I just keep keep going. I
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: just had that kind of energy. And I love to
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: be in the woods. I can't stand sitting still in
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: a tree stand and sit in one spot. I need
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: to see what's over the next hill, what's around the
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: next bend, what's up the river. I'm a constant information junkie.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: I need all kinds of pieces of puzzles in my mind.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: I have to be able to visualize it and see
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: it in a stand. If I can't, That's why I
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: can't run into a span a preset stand. I even
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: want to look around a little bit on a preset
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: to make sure that the signs there. And I've been
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: in trees already that I jumped in and was going,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: and it's like I'm taking my binocier if to look
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: and see Jesus christis is it's hot enough here, Am
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: I wasting a freaking night or a sit? And you think,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: what all the time I have in the woods, that
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be an issue to waste it. Uh, But one
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: day gone is a day that can't be taken back,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: and that that's an excess the numbers of times you sit,
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: the numbers of times you sit in the right spot.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: So I'm always you know, if I'm scouting and setting
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: up and in a tree, that tree is the right
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: tree for that day and that win in the game.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: I've had numerous friends years ago down in Illinois. They all
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: just jump up in a tree that I just left
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: or dead and left, and they go in there and
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: shoot one hundred and fifty sixty inch buck out of
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: the amp thing and they're happy as in a lark.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: And I'm I'm seeing him, and I'm moving on. I'm
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: moving on tour. You know, the one that I'm looking for,
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: he's not there. So I'm kind of squeezing her down
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: and checking other areas. And I've been well the start
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: of all this, I've had so many guys. You know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: back in the day, it was uh, you know, hun
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: high and stay the hell outter and give him safe zones.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I don't give anything a safe zone.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: If that deer is living on that ground, he's gonna
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: have to contend with me coming after him.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: I'll do a slow, slow set up a couple of
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: times on an evening post, trying try and work it
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: where you know, I always said, if you find where
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: he sleeps, you could kill him, right, So if you
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: got that piece of that information at betting where he's at,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, the further out you get from that, it's
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: a big it's a it's a tougher to get them
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: sort of closer, and the more intimate you can get
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: on that, your chances are better. So you've heard of
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: these two three day cycles on Bucks where you guys
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: will see him every two three days. Well, guess what, dude,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: there's a there's an everyday cycle somewhere, and if you
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: can find that spot and be on that edge, your
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: percentages come up. He might be on another property you
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: can't get to, but he may be somewhere you can.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: And then you want to be You want to be
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: in the game and get your crack. You know, there's
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: nothing worse than knowing where dere's at having him there
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: and got your backpedal, and don't even you never get
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: up the back. You never get to take a swing,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: you know. So yeah, that's tougher guys. That's like diving
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: on a cold water. Guys really find it difficult to
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: do some of the things I do. It's like they
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: just can't get theirself to get They think they're going
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: to just mess it up for.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Good, you know.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: And and I thought that way years ago. There's a
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: big hat that one off. I mean, the more I
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: did it, the more my success went up. The more
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: aggressive I got, the more deer I jumped, the more
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: I bumped, the more I got into the game. I
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: was covered up with deer constantly all year, when other
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: guys were just flatten kno October lull or just not
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: seeing the deer because they're just they're just not they're
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: not going to chase, they're not hunting them there, they're waiting.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: They're waiting for the deer to basically come to them
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: instead of you going to the deer. So well, you
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: might you might have just answered my next question.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: But but feel free to go a different direction if
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you want to.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: But my next question is going to be what is an.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Unusual habit or belief that you have that most other
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: deer hunters think is absurd or crazy, but you know
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: helps you as a deer hunter.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Would it be what you just described or is there
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: something else? They always come back.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Guys think they bought these big deer and they go
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: leave somewhere, they go nocturnal, they start playing the gamest,
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: running circles around you. But if you are hunting in
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: their home range, you're not burning them out of there.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: And I'm not.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Here's where they might be a little different different. I'm
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: hunting the top dog, the dominant bucks.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Now some of them that are.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: When I say they're the dominant, they're the kingpin in
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: an area. There might be a deer there that's more
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: aggressive and as dominant, but they are a dominant bucking area.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: They get their areas where they feed, they get the breed,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: they get the best of it. That's their home. They're
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: not leaving because of you know, another buck. You see
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: these studies about that, they're talking about these deer that
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: the ranges that they got put these collars on.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Those are two and a half year old buck.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: A two and a half year old buck can't find
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: a place to bet anywhere. Every knob it goes on,
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: it gets it's ass kicked by three and a half
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: four and a half year old buck. So they got
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: to go wander around and go find where they want
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: top dog. These big deers I hunt, they are in
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: them same betting areas for different wins, and they they
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: work for them, and that's where they are, and that's
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: that's there. Nobody else gets to that best spot.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: They get it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: So I find those best spots that I get it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: It could be just a property like this is a
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: square mile. You could have all your books on one
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: section of it. You can be hunting on the other section.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: There's still could be decent signing that, but you're not
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: seeing shit, and it's they're not there.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: You got to go to where the deer are.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: And when you're going into where the deer are, you
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: end up seeing a lot of deer in the morning,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: bumping them all, bumping deer.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to go hunt. It's too noisy. I
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: pray to God that I'm bumping all kinds of shit when.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: I'm because I know him the game. I'm in a
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: bunch of deer. Then I don't want to go to
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: somewhere it's like a ghost town. There's you know, no
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: signs and tracks and waiting for it to happen. That's
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: a different type of hunter. When it gets into the rout,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: you can do some crazy stuff like that, but and
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: then an rotch, you got to go with some old
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: school I read sign, I stay on sign, and I believe, well,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: my eyes are telling me I don't. I don't all
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: the stuff you read years past, and you know, they
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: say you can't do this, you can't do that.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I've never was a big guy to follow that.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: I just cut it on my own and I learned
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: it on my own, and it's a lot of that
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: stuff just I don't know what you'd call it, but
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: I know what works, and I'll stick with what's working
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: for me.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, what what would you say is your
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: very most important habit, whether it's in your daily life
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: or during hunting season. What's that thing that you always
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: have to do over and over and over again for
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: you to be effective for hunting deer. I mean, maybe
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: it's something in your regular life that maybe isn't obviously
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: helps you.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: It's it's it's whatever I'm doing, whatever I'm thinking about,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: whatever I'm I'm designing a lot of products. I do
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: things that there's a whole half of that brain that
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: while I'm doing all that, is always thinking white tail
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: and where the next thing is and what you know,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: where that deer travel last year, what he did, what
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: time he was coming out at this time of the year,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: and certain things. Was he was he one to just
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: bust loose? He's really a big deer. Uh weather over anything.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: You know, get a good cold front coming and ship.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: It changes the scenario on that when that, you know,
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: I pray for a season that the NBA temperature is
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: colder than it normally, is not one of these hot,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: horrible seasons that it's uh so, I'm thinking this all
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: out my mind all the time. That's all I think
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: about is you know, his deer. I don't go out
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: and do a lot of messing around now. I don't
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: need to because even when I'll have intel on cameras
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: and then I'm still I'm still a scouur constantly all
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: year early season, reading the sign what's going on, and
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: uh yeah, your head's always in the game. It's always
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: thinking of and you're thinking bigger. Okay, where am I
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: going to have an opportunity at the biggest deer. This here,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: nothing on this ground. So I got to leave this
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: for debt until some cameras something pops up and I go.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: I go to the biggest and sometimes there aren't bigger
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: than your you're looking for, and it's then you settle
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: for the next best one, or settle to get a
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: good video, or however it is. But I've always been
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: one to just stay focused to quick story. So years
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: ago Adam Hayes came to me and some other people
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: to start a hunting show, and I told them, I says,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: this aint. This is how a white Tail addictions actually
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: came about. I am going to run into a deer
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: I want, and I ain't killing any deer that year.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna stand that you're not gonna get any kills
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: out of me. I can't run a six different states
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: and shoot media or box just to get them on film.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: I'll go there and I'll shoot some decent deer that
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: are worthy of shooting. But if I got something i'm
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: looking for, my season's done. Like this one here, I
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: would have been locked up the whole season.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Burn.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: You ain't gonna get no show out of me. So
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: we made a decision to make a show about our customers,
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: which are all great hunters, and they submit footage and
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: we get kills out of them. You know, you get
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: one kill out of me, maybe maybe two. And then
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: now you got to show a full of a bunch
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: of kills because there's a bunch of guys hunting. Some
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: of these other guys that you know, this whole shows
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: on them. They're running around just shooting just for entertainment,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: you know, mediocre bucks and then try to look excited
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: about it when.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: They're doing it.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: It's it wasn't going to happen. So I'm still like
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: that to this day. I just want to I want
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: what I want. And when I first shot my popen,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: first Pope and young, it became a numbers game.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: And I don't know why. In my mind, I was
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: always an athlete, and.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: When there's a bar and a goal the set, you know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: you work different. You're you're not scattered all over the place.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: And uh, I started hunting bigger deer and if there
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: wasn't a bigger deer on that property, then I just
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: didn't hunt. And I went until I found a property
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: or a spot that had the bigger deer, then I'd
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: hunt it, kill it. Then it would be bigger, and
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: then I'd have to go. I might go back to
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: the other property had a bigger one. And I've said
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: a numer times, but I think I didn't set it
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: on podcasts, But people a lot of people don't know
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: from from one twenty five and like an eighth my
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: first deer, all the way up to that first boon
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: and crocket, the score the deer I harvested every year
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: never went backwards. It went up every deer that was
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: killed every year with a little bigger, a little bigger score,
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: a little bigger score.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: One year I passed up a buck hunting and or
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: was like one fifty five class deer three different times
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: just to shoot a one sixty. I already had it
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: one fifty five, So it's like, what do you out
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: of your mind shoot that?
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: I only get one take. So if I'm want I'm
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: a gold cetter, this is what I want. Then it
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: got to the point where I shot that first one
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: hundred and seventy and shannimal and then it was like
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: then another light bulb went off, Wow, this is kind
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: of nice. You know, this is another level and now,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: and you start just looking for one seventy plus, you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: and then you get to the point where you're running.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: You're running the openers, not a lot bigger, or the
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: chances of being bigger on the ground you have.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: It's not real great. I'm lucky enough that we have some.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Good properties that produce some real slammers just about every year,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: so there's something there to excited about. I traded it
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: all back for the first I wish I had that
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: rack here I haven't. In a garage I can show you.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: I just went and did a big around. I got
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: my first first white tail buck with a bowl. It
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: was I don't even know if you can put a
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: score on it if it was sixty inches. It was
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: an eight pointer that you could put a grapefruit in
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: its rack. And I didn't give a shit about big
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: deer back then. I loved I wanted to shoot any
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: deer and I loved that. And that whole time on
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: public land going up to them deer instead of getting
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: into that one forty class. It was just awesome. I
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: just was hooked on it. Didn't get about it until
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: it got about score. Then I started getting about more
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: of a work type of thing. There was a scenario.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: I was up north Honting public land and there was
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: a non typical.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: It was a first virgin snow of the year.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Went in and in the woodlot there was a two
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: bucks chasing the door rum. One was a tiny little
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: buck off the quarter of the big the big non
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: typical ganting around. It was just about toppling over the
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: immensity of that deer. Probably would have been it would have
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: been a state record at that time. And at that
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: time I seen two deer chasing around a dog.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: That's all that was. And literally I shot the smaller
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: one when they came by.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: The smaller one claimed coles and I shot it. If
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: that scenario ever happened like today or later on in
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: my career, I would have went and moved up north
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: and never came back seeing my wife and kiss until
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: that deer. I'd hunt that deer to the ends of
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: the earth. And things have changed. So that's how it
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: is now. It's it's yeah, it's not about just the
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: enjoyment of harvest and the deer which you're bowing at.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: It turned into harvesting good animals. And I like I
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: like a challenge. I do like a challenge. I don't
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: want to do that.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Just topples over.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: So it's nice on there's one kind of out witting
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: you and out smart and you or out lucking you.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know what the word is, but something.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, you gotta remember there's forty years that
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: I saw. There's a lot of different scenarios that went
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: through the whole deal with since the whole thing, with
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: all this rattling and all this other stuff, and it
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: all just boiled back that I learned what I learned,
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: you know, and I stuck with what was learning.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: I know, guys who rattled your ear, I can rattle,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: and I tested rattling. I can rattle in tons of
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: books for the ones I want. It just seems like
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: your best opportunity for me is when they ain't got
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: a clue and they step into a setup.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: They just do not have a clue that somebody's.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: There on top of them, and then they get to
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: make that mistake of just coming through that day.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: You know. But yeah, I guess.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: I learned a lot over the years.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: So well, you know, Andrea, there's so many people I've
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: talked to over the years who point to you as
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: being someone that they look up to or that they've
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: learned a lot from that they view as, you know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: an elite deer hunter.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: And I'm curious, is is there.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Anybody that you look to or that you have learned from,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: or someone that you look as like, Man, that guy
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: is really good and I've learned some stuff from.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Is there anyone you can I plant to like that
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: say I've learned anything from anybody. But back in the
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: day years ago, I just thought Miles Keller. He had
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: the state record for state of Wisconsin. He's a little older,
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: he was at the shoals. I always kind of admired him.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: He was killing some really good deer consistently.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Uh never prescribed to his methods.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: And then there was the guy that turned out to
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: be a and end up Hulks or whatever in Michigan
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the Umpala. When he was on the scene, I just
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: remember shooting the tiny deer and starting to get into
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: a couple of pop and young's that I thought, to myself,
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: holy shit, this guy is I thought that was amazing
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: that somebody would be out there and that's all they
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: were looking for. One seventy bucks, I though don't even
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: more are state record was one hundred and seventy seven inches,
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: So I said, they're not even out there, you know.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: So that was the guy that I kind of looked
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: up to that but never you know, thought about or
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: looked about it was his hunting style or what it
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: was like that way, it's just that way wise. But
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: I don't think because I didn't read a lot of magazines,
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: I didn't listen to a lot of people. I basically
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: took the sport up on my own, started out running
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: after deer with a recurve on the ground, flinging arrows,
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: to climbing into trees and finding success more from elevated positions,
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: and just it evolved.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: From where I started.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: So I think a lot of my hunting style and
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: technique now is probably been adopted by all the guys
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: and a lot of guys that I learned that, you know,
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: these all of these guys were younger than me, and
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: I sold in the first stands in that and the
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: guys you're talking about, I actually become friends with and
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: I hunting out just some of these younger crew.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: And it's amazing to me that.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: Like one would kill but like Keith killed a huge
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: book on one of our leases and he told me
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: where I killed it. And it's amazing to me. And
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: I says, I says, how did you access that spot?
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: And he he acts and normal guys, a lot of
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: guys that would have would have not even thought. He said,
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: it was obvious he had to he had to do
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: this and go there. He went the same route that
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I took to ambush the deer on that same spot.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: That's the spot that you have to access. And he learned.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: He learns that people learned that by just hunting. And
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: then some of the guys that when they first started out,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: some of the tiny deer they shot, you know, he
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: got he's just going he got uh, justin Hollinsworth. So
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: I visited some of their homes now years later, and
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: I am impressed with the wall. Guys used to come
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: into my house and you know, just about pistol he
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: pants and they stand there in awe uh, and it
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: happened to me.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: So this is how many years have gone by.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: So a lot of these guys have become you know,
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: now they're twenty years in serious hunters. They learned the
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: game and there there's successful every year and they got
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: with work for him and they're doing it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Same with them.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: With Cody, I don't know how how it's been probably
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: decades since we've hunted together.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: We have a hundred.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: He fucking ran off, excuse my language, ran off and
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: own and was doing his own deal. And I remember
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: I follow in law came out to the houses and
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: he was over by Cody. He's looking in his living
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: room and he's and these are some pretty nice deers.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: And then he came over my house. He was in
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: the living room and I'm standing there watching this guy
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: in the middle of the living room looking up in there,
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: and he's like, I said, what the hell's problem? You know,
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: like he was like just dumb phoning his boys. Was
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: some decent deer over, but holy shit, these are really
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: big deer because of the caliber. I had the same
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: moment a couple of years back, as Cody had been
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: stacking up on his own and doing his own hunting
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: and not having the money for taxing him, and he's
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: had racks sitting around. All of a sudden, he's getting
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: them done. And I walked in his living room and
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: I was impressed of the caliber and the amount of
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: deer in the wall, and I was impressed with friends
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: of mine, my own son. So there's guys that really
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: stepped up to the plate and they are doing it,
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: and a lot of them I think kind of adopted
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: some of the technique that I had years ago, which
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: is good to me. It's it's great, but stay off
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: to have you know, we're on the same least now
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: it's not so great. So yeah, they're kind of doing
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: the same kind of thing. That's getting a little crowded,
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: you know. So yeah, but no, I appreciate that, uh
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: that dad is there, But yeah, I didn't come from
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: hunting background. I came from a family that didn't hunt,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: so I really didn't have a father to teach me
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: all the wrong lessons.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: I basically went and learned them all on my own.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, with all these people, we're kind of referencing
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: all these best deer hunters that you've now surrounded yourself with.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: What's what's maybe one of the most common traits or
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: mindsets that all of these best deer hunters all have, Like,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: can you point to something that is consisting across all
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: of those best of the best people.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Well, their whole life's revolve a wrong white tail hunting.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: I met some of their wives. You're a different this
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: is a different breed of guy. I mean, there's a
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: lot of guys that are hunters out there. There's decent hunters.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: They hunt every year to hunt a lot. But there
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: are people that choose their career, choose their life, choose
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: their partners around whitetail hunting. That's one thing when you
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: get bit by that bug and then you get some
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: success and they're smart enough to know, you go where the.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Big deer are.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: You know, there's the big public hunting versus private deal.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: You know, I hunt public lan, I hunt private there
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: are some world class deer on public land. I go
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: to where the big deer are, don't. I would never
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: go to an area that's got a shitload of guys
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: in hunting that mess. It's it's just a waste of time.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: So two years ago there was a guy that we
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: know here in Iowa. He had pictures of three bucks
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: on public land that he was hunting within probably an
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: hour and a half of our arm and the three
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: deer were bigger, three bigger deer than any of the
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: biggest deer we had on our farm.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: So they're there if you're firing him.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: But now he's going to have to contend with a
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: bunch of guys to travel and all that. So you
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: got to have a spot that's got him. And then
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: you got to know how I'm going on. All of
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: these guys are portable hunters here and they're gone tomorrow.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: They read sign and they set up accordingly, and they're
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: not afraid to move in uh and make the make
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: the move to to finish it off. So some a
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: little more aggressive than others, but they've they've honed their
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: trade over the years. I mean, they've been doing this
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: for for decades too. And and you start out little,
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: like I said, you should see the you're gonna see
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: some of the pitchers in this forty year of the
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: tiny little three point little bucks that I killed and
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: I loved every minute of that.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: That was the start of it all. Christ guy's seeing
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: you sitting into the north woods with a recurve for
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: for for deer and they're like they thought you were.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Are you out in your mind or your nuts? You
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: know what?
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: Are you chasing deer? A owing them what ball? I mean,
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: that's I just love to do it, you know. So
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: now that it's a whole well, you know though, this
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: is huge. It's like everybody in their brothers hunting now
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: and it's it's getting a little crowded, you know, so.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: But yeah, you're more successful hunters. You know.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: Adam Hayes, he started a whole thing with two hundred.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: I remember him meeting him on the show.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Young kid.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: He look like he just barely out of high school
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: and he's out trophy. I've seen the stand he flipped
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: over and bought one and and then got to you know,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: every year he'd come back and seen some of the
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: nice year that he was shooting. He goes after big
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: deer and the guys sit back watch. He's an observer.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: That's another thing that some of these guys are. I'm
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: the same way. He got to be like a big buck.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: They sit back and they observe what's going on, and
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: you got to sit back and kind of read what's
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: going on, and like a binoc Here's most important piece
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: of equipment for me. I mean, I have to not
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: wage the day on post where you might get a
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: glimpse of something and not see what it was. That
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: just just I just get living on that. When that happens,
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: I couldn't get the box up quick that could have
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: been when I was after slipping out the back and
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: I missed it, you know, or if you're sitting there
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: and you can't see it, same thing. You know, you're
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: you're there hunting, trying to get some intail to move
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: in on these animals.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: So and a lot of these.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: Guys are I'm gonna have to say that they might
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: have started out as killers, but a lot of them
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: are hunters now. They literally are hunting specific animals, uh.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: And they're going after that that dear, and if it's
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: not there, they goes to another specific big animal they
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: go at. You know, at some point time you got
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: to fill the wall at a bunch of deer just to
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: just to make it impressive.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: But I never was about the numbers.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: You know, if everybody ever realized a mount in the
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: caliber deer that I've passed over the years is just
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: I got video you'll see in this fourth one of
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: a Boon and crocket and that boone and crocket that
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: I passed up twice on video back in the day,
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: And what are you crazy?
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Why'd you do that?
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: Because I had one tag and there was one hundred
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: and eighty and twelve point running around That's why I
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: did it. So those are things that you got to
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: make personal decisions on. Whether you're chasing around two hundred
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: inch bucks one seventies so world classroof, you just want
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: to fill the freezer with meat, have at it, man,
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: enjoy the enjoy the day.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: You know. I see a lot of these guys going
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: back to recurves too.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm not ready to get caught with a
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: recurve in my hand and a world record typical stepping out.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not that guy, So we'll wait on that.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Speaking of world record typicals, I know, at one point,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: you know, you've been pursuing that absolute top, top, top tier.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I know you had state records and things like that,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: and from what I understand you, you've backed away from
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: that a little bit to where now you're killing the
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: best thing around.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: But what would happen Andre.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: If you did get wind of the buck that you
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: really truly did believe was, Man, this could be the
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: new world record typical or something like that, I'd be
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: all over it.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, so you'd be all over it. What so
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I believe the start out with I've been in the game.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Two different times of two different bucks that I believe
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: would have beat the typical bowl world record two different bucks,
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: and I got beat at them both. But when that
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: comes on and that's it, it's I moved out of
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: my state to another state to pursue that.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: So that's what I did.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: I left my family behind and everybody, and I went
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: and moved to another state to chase a world record typical.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: That was my ultimate dream was to get a crack
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: at or a shot at And you know what the
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: chances are in the miracle of a guy even in
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: the game for bloone and crockets, but let alone a
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: world record tipic. But that's like, that's like win a
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: lot of I guess I won a lotto twice because
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: I had one on this property and I own when
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: I first moved here that I believe would have been
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: right there, and I want of Illinois definitely would have been.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: So in a career or forty years, I was on
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: a two different bucks. I believe they've been at caliber now.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: I was on a lot of bucks. I screwed up
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: one after I shot that one in Wisconsin the year
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: after I almost killed the non typical state record Wisconsin.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: I fucking missed the damn thing.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: At fifteen yards, the thing dropped its belly on me
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: and went over the top, and that deer was just
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: I started thinking to myself, how the hell am I
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: even doing this? How am I even in the game
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: with all these things? And man, if I kill that
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: dear and against, somebody's gonna think I'm up to no
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: good or some shit. I'm just I'm staying on it,
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: going to where the big deer are. When I find
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: big deer, I go knock on doors, I get permission,
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: whatever I gotta do, I gotta go. I want to
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: be in the woods with caliber deer that I want
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: to shoot. Then I'm happier than happy to sit a
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: whole hundred days in a row and just chase them
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: around and maybe not even get them. At least I'm
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: in the game, you know, I can't stand not being
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: in the game. So you had two chances of deer
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: like that in the past and they won. Let's say
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: you get chance number three. So there's a third deer
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: that that you get wind of and you have an opportunity. Yet,
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: what's the biggest thing that you would do different than
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: you did the first two times around? Oh, I don't
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: know if I could say there be anything different I
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: gotta get so now is this on a piece that
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: I have, or now I got wind of it where
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: it's on somebody else's ground, I got to get access
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: to r That's gonna be a goofy scenario. I have
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: to say, I hate them, say that my friends that
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: hate me, But if they ended up being one on
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: a property that I have, that'side least none of you
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: guys are getting on for the year, go find another spodcast.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: And so there would be that I might even have
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: to tell my son, if it's it's my ground, then
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: it's access. This is this is what I've been here
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: this whole life to do. It's gonna be one on
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: one with me, and I don't I don't want anybody
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: else around to do it. So that'd be one thing
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: that would be kind of. People might think you're a
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: low life for doing or whatever it is. But I'd
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: give up everything, every minute a time i'd spend just
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: going after that, I'd be I'd be in heaven again.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: Seventh uh seventh heaven. Trying to get get a crack
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: at that deer. But now you got me all excited
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: at that there might be a chance for me left
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: that I was. I let that water go under the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: bridge years ago and gave up on that. You know,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of big deer and I still got
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: access to hunt. But the typical world record and there
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: are you got to be in the right states for
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: and then to be again. You know, there there are
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: caliber now being shot just about an every state that
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: are out there.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: But it's still, dude, there's how many million bow hunters
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: are you in the middle of.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: You talk about the numerical chance of the guy shooting
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: the one seventies is huge, but it doesn't get bigger
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: for a guy who's done it already. It's actually not
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: a big number for him because he's been in that
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: game and now it's just like another might be just
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: another decent deer for it for someone. But but to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: have a so for me to have another typical world
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: record deer on this property, I would think is would
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: be almost impossible for all those stars to line up
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: and to be here. I mean, never say number. But
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: and the idiot I am last year it wasn't pretty garbage.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: There was a buck that if it busted off a
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: couple of times, might have been that that caliber. So
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: there are deer out there now that are just amazing
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: where the hell l they go and where they height to.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: But I guess again, I'm going back to having them
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: on your ground to be able to hunt is going
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: to be. That's going to be like a win and
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: a lotto type of deal, you know. The one that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: was here was actually passed through my ground very easily,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: but was on my lease on one side, and it
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: was on a neighbor's ground that I had permission to
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: hunt on another. And that year, for some reason, I
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: burned up my my state tag early, so I was
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: stuck on my ground with my landowner take and I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: was doing There was a kid, local kid here, trapper
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: that was seeing this year and another piece I could get
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: on like six different times where it was betting them,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: and I was just dying, I'm gonna get over, you know.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: And the one time he passed through.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: Mike ground, I didn't have a lot of cameras back then,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: but I seen him and I was I was actually
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: getting down to make a move from their stand and
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: I seen him coming on the ground with a don
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: I went and jumped back in the stand hoping he
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: would just chase that door around and get by me.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: And he never did, and he ended up on a
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: different piece again. So I had my hands just strapped,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: you know. So there's a screw up that there's one
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: screw up that we thought about that would never do again.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: I always look at my tags close. Now which one
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: I'm filling out first, you know, burning up at the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: state wide tag?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: And also yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: So you mentioned earlier some of the mistakes you may
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: have made in the past, or some struggles you made.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: You mentioned, you know, maybe shooting maybe being one thing
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: you want to work on coming up. So I'm curious
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: real quick. Let me just throw this out there to
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: have the rest of this. What I want to understand
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: is how you get better at something like when you
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: identify something as like a weakness or an area that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: you can improve on a little bit, what's your process
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: for getting better?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the problem that I probably had, and
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: it's cost me, actually cost me a couple of deer
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: last year or two.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Equipment. So I don't like to shoot a ball.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: I shoot low pons now, so I don't have to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: shooting seventy years ago or shooting a rear curve. You
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: had to have your muscles intact, and you have to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: consistently shoot.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: To be accurate with a bowl, you have to have
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: I would shoot for a week.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: First five days, you're all over the place, your muscles
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: get toned and had seventy pounds on your group in.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: I don't have to do that anymore or my bolls on.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: I shoot kind of instinctive through a pin. I can
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: pick up the boat anytime of year and just shoot
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: and group enough to shoot these deer at twenty yards.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: I found myself in a hunt in Illinois, or I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: literally and I shot, and I only shoot an arrow.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: Usually when I'm onto something good, I'll start shooting an arrow,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: even out of a tree when I leave, or at
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: least one arrow to make sure everything's on. And I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: checked even the evening before I think I shot, and
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: I pulled my ball up, and the morning I busted
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: my pin off somehow on a step on the way
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: up or whatever, and then I went to shoot and
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: I couldn't find a pin on there and I end
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: up pitting this animal in the neck and shit. And
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: I was just fricking irate that I would let because
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: I did everything. I was supposed to do right, and
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: fate screwed me out of what are the chances.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: In one sit you broke that sit on there? Well,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: this year, because of my issues with fatigue and all that,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: my fiber optics were rip out of my sight, and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: because I don't shoot every day anymore, I didn't even
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: know the fire broctor was out of here.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: I went to try and find that too, and I
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: couldn't blurry vision. Getting older, I need a lens probably
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: on them damn things. And it was horrible. I could
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: tell you a couple of stories about old age I had.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: I went through a season literally probably legally blind one year,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: and I still filmed and got good footage and killed.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: I had the worst cataracts. I was telling my wife.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: She says, here fullish, you know, she says, blow me off.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: And I went into a doctor and said, he said,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: you got the worst cataract I've ever fixt seen.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: So I went. I literally shot out a deer.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: And I hate to tell about all these inconsistency of
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: hitting one low set up on this deer, went up
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: on a hundreds of yards away and set up on
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: the same deer, And a rainstorm came in and I
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: was up there vision shitty, haven't binociers out, and I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: see a huge buck come up and he's off all
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: his rain and stuff, and man, I'm gonna get some
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: good voters of this thing.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: I was trying to look into bnocker as you know
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: what he was, what kind of times, and I just
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: never dawned on me it was that the deer that
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: I was after.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: Literally, I got on video.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: I let that deer come through, walk five yards under
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: my stand and head out, and I could not tell
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: it was even the same deer that I was after.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: It just because we have a lot of there's a
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: lot of decent big deer here. I went and showed
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: Cody that freaking video and we put it on a
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: laptop now because I was looking on my little phone,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: and he said, you're you're freaking with me right now,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: aren't you?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: Just? What do you mean freaking with you? He said
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: that that was the buck that you were after. Im freaking.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: So he blows the damn thing up, and I'm like,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: son of a freaking bitch. I mean, I can't win
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: the ba Loson. So I went pad surgery the next year.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: Here's another good story. These guys talk about it. I'd
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: mentioned this before too, and I'm getting old, so I
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: mentioned stories multiple times, but they're complaining about not having
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: their new tree stand for opening day. This guy did
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: surgery on one of my eyes and then I had waited,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: so opening day I was literally I only had one
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: eye to use and going out of hunting. So finally
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: got them both fixed and and all that. But that
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: same year, I videoed the deer that I was after
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: got out on him because he was not a big
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: amensa brack.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: There was another deer that were around. I wassiming that
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: we're decent.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: Literally I could have had him at fifteen yards and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: I probably could have shot him, and I thought he
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: was just a smaller small buck.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was literally out there freaking blind.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: And with the amount of years that I went with
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: the camera, I know I can literally video with my
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: eyes closed knock because I can point the camera had
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: a spot and just blow it back out and I
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: got I'm getting great video footage, but it'd be nice
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: to know what the hell you're seeing. So these are
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: all things you're gonna deal with and later on in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: your life, and it's it's frustrating because if you hunt
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: at the level I do, it's man, you don't want
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: to run out of gas. You don't want to have
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: issues like that. God forbid I ever have to start
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: wearing glasses out in the woods. Again, biggest handicap many
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: hundred whatever have is they have glasses in the woods.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: These deer spots you from a mile away with that
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: lens on. So right, hang on to hang on to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: that for a bit. But no, it's a it's a
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: whole whole new game. I don't know how you know.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: I'll long run it, but I'm gonna run it to
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: the end. They're probably gonna find me that in the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: ones that'll have bowled my hand still, So.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: Have you got to go? That's not a bad way
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: to go. Oh no, that'd be the wuld be ultimate
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: way to go.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Actually, a lot of these different challenges you've mentioned, it
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: seems like your approach to dealing with it, your approach
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: to getting better or handling it, is to push through,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: to just keep working harder, to keep doing things right.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: So we started with the equipment, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: if you want to go, go your trade of thought
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: and I'll go back to that. So what I'm doing
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: different for for that sure.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: So so my next question was going to be and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and maybe this will tie into what you're mentioning there,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: But hard work is a thing that I've heard you
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: kind of bring up, maybe not those exact words, but
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: you've talked about it in different ways, and many many,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: many other deer hunters will always point back to that way.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: You gotta work hard, you gotta work hard.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious about what that actually means to you,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: like how you would define hard work, what that what
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: that actually looks like for you, because people hear it
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: and don't necessarily know what it means.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: So when I say it's hard work, it ain't easy.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: I've already found had guys friends that want to shoot
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: their first pop young and I had deer lined up
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: that I could have went and killed. I know where
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: they were at, and I told them where the goal set,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: and you'll shoot the deer's coming out there every evening
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: on a bean field. There goal sit there, You'll you'll
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: kill it, damn deer. And he's like, well, is there
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: anything any closer or anything? You know, it was a
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: long walk back in from a weird way that it
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: took some work to get in there and la the guy.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't want to do that that type
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: of work.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: But these younger guys nowadays, I'm not going to mention
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: any names that I've seen them and to follow him.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: They think that it usually go out there and just
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: run all over hellm and put these miles on.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: That that's going to.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: End up killing you a big deer. If you're just
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: running around there and not absorbing anything or learning anything
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: from it. You're just running around like an idiot and
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: putting miles on. And everybody's made those mistakes. I did
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: that years ago, open the Big Woods. I'd go so
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: far deep in thinking I'm getting away way back in
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: the middle of note, This'll be this, gonna be paradise back.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: And then I went so far back in two miles
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: back that I came out some guys backyard and shit
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: on highways that you know, this is area with no highways.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: I'm like, man, all the big deer are up right
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: where I went in, you know, so read the sign
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: and believe what you see and go at it.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: And there's amount of hard work and do the control
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: deal that I do. Do that roundwork. When I get
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: boots on the ground. I'd do a new property of
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: a perimeter check. It's a muff for me to do
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: a complete perimeter check of a property. I need to
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: get that in my head, a schematic of what's coming
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: and going out with the trails here and there, and
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: then I can go in and everything that I see
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: inside that makes sense in the middle of it. If
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: I go in the middle of it first, nothing that
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: was out there, it doesn't make any sense to me.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: It's all just random here, random there. You know, try
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: and read your compass or whatever the hell it deals.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: So these guys that you know that pick the spots
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: with the maps and all that. Now and this, you
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: can't see what I see on a map. And you
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: could pick good spots here from a map on here,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: a good funnels, and you'd be there and half the
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: season they're ice cold and not a deer movement through it,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: but they're excellent spots on a certain time.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: You've got to be in real time.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: The most important thing to me is to be in
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: the game when the game's happening, not a day late
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: and a dollar short, as my mom used to say.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: And there's guys that can do that and there's guys
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: that not They can't read the signer, they don't even
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: realize what they're looking for.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: So that's gonna have to be something you learn to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: be able to pick. You know.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: I used to always argue about that well buck, big
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: buck spot, big bucks betting areas where that big buck
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: is betting, it could be anywhere. There's no defined area
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: to where it's at. I found him in the craziest
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: fricking places you'd never even think to look, and that's
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: where they're betting. So that's that big buck bettings. Now,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: maybe next year he dies and it's not maybe another
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: deer moves in. It is so, but some of these
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: haunts that I find on leases and all that, on
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: the lay of the lands, the same, if the winds
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: right and the same, those deer are.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Going to be there every year.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: Is the biggest spot that you have to go look at.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: But it might not be the caliber you want. So
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: it's still a good spot. Still could be hunting every year.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: But now you talk about scrapes and rubs. You know
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: how many scrapes are on this property. If I burned
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: the day just to sit one to see what the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: buck was coming in That's why I put cameras on always.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: I need to know that that scrape has a deer
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: I'm after on it. Now it's a whole other game
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: now that scrape is important to me. So there's a lot.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: And I enjoy scouting and reading, so that's the big
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: thing about it. I love poking around and was that
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: is my even when I trapped, you know, I'd run
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: a trap line up the middle of the river and stuff,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: and I just enjoyed being out claustrophobic so in the outdoors.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: And the more time spent out there, the better I feel.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: You mentioned hunting something like one hundred days a year.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Was that including days that you're just scouting to or
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: is there additional scouting.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: Day every day that I hunt?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: I mean I scout, so I don't do so when
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: I used to years ago, hunting a lot of that public,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: I would hunt so hard and so often I'd almost
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: be like a marathon runner.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: I need a cool down period. So what I would
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: do after the season, and like you know, back then
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: December or whatever, it was snowy cold in Wisconsin, I'd
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: have a cool out period and then what I would
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: do is I would literally get headphones on some John
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: Denver playing in my ears, and I would go to
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: these square mile uh public grounds or some some big areas,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: and I would go in.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: And just just you know, now you're not hunting.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: You can go anywhere you want, look anywhere you want,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: and you're not concerned about having a set up here
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: and there. You're just dissecting that area to learn that
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: lay that land better. And that's how it would cool down.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: And I would enjoy doing that, and I would trap
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: some coyotes and stuff, I mean, foxes back in the
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: day afterwards, just to be able to gear back down.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: Now in the winter, now you got to go indoors
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: every day and all that ship and to work. It
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: was it was horrible for guys kind of likes to
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: be out there. So even now, I just can't stand
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: the office work. I'd rather be out on a tractor
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: just getting dirty and and sweating up a storm and
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: enjoying the enjoying with life life has to offering.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right there with you, But yeah, it's what
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: about thinking back on it another part of the Yeah, okay,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: I just want to go.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: Back to equipment with I guess I'm so rough on
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: that stuff that I need to pay a little more
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: attention to that. I got a good friend who was
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: going to bull shop for years. He looked at my
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: my strings on my bowls and just just warn worn
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: and shit and nicked up and all that. And I
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: don't care about that. I can pick that ball up
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: and shoot and hit what I need to hit. And
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: like the pin last year I went, I drove out
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: and I heard some shit rattling and it was my
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: pin rattle or my sight rattle loose on my ball.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: I'm like shit, and I'm halfway out there. I got
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: a run back.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: I could see kind of where it was at, so
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: I had to tighten it back up and take a shot,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: make sure it was on, and then go back out.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: I'm hunting a little better equipment now, dovetails on there
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: where it could be tightened up. I step on my
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: bow when I'm getting on a tree a lot of times,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: and you know, just because I'm just such thick crap,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: and half the time the bowl might be halfway down,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: stuck in a limb to get down out of some
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: of these trees.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: So it's I'm really rough on my equipment.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: Uh, And I need to really start paying more attention
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: to making sure that that that's the final seal of
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: the deal, which to me was like the least important,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: which should probably be one of even more important. If
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: I was a shooter that guys were nowadays or some
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: of these other guys were to do it, you would
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: have no idea of the shit that I'd have on
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: the wall if I had that talent to be able
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: to shoot out to forty consistently and real good, I
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: mean world class shit after world class ship. But I'm
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: here a kid limited Back in the day, We're shoot
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty five feet per second with a
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: six inch arc at twenty yards, and you know, it
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: was like and they're not very good of a shot
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: and untuned bowl.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna I'm gonna start doing that.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna shoot a little bit more every
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: not that I'm gonna enjoy it, but I'm just gonna
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: have to force myself to be more consistent. But here's
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: what happens to and what happened in the past on
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: a bail or even when a recurve, I'm not that
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: accurate of a shot. But when it comes time to
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: shoot an animal, and there's the scariest part about it.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: After I shoot, I can't even remember putting a pin
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: on an animal, which is a scoop man that I did.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: I brick a name, but I get it on there.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: And it's because I take instinctive takes over. I look
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: at the spot and I just let her rip. I
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: can shoot animals moving, jogging very you know. Occasionally I'll stop,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: but I really don't need to. And after this year,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: I think maybe I might have to start revisiting some
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: of that. Some of that stuff get a little more
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: consistent with. I went to a peep a few times
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: and went away from it.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: What are people do for you?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: Then that goes to a mechanical and non instinctive and
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: it will it will check you. But a lot of
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: times I don't have that lousy extra second to check
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: that ring in. I need to get her up, get
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  Speaker 4: her ripping it's happening, is coming through, and get that
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  Speaker 4: arrow off.
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  Speaker 3: So I had to struggle that way.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm gonna make sure that that maybe the strings
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: are waxed and they're all not cut through, or you know,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: go back to what I used to do.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: Shoot at these an arrow.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: A lot of times I have on my quiver and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: when I get down in the morning, I just pick
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: a leaf and and shoot hit the leaf. You know,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: you're on you know, and before you go out and
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: you got a bail, just fling an arrow into it.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: Know everything's because that's the biggest thing. It's not gonna
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: be your shooting ability. It's going to be your your
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: equipment got knocked off a pan of sight or or
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: something like that. So yeah, so preparedness. I think you
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: want to trade some guys that are good hunters. All
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: of these guys are anal son of a bitches about
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: their equipment, being efficient using it and having your shit
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: together way more than even like I am with some
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: of the stuff with with the bowls and all that.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: So I think that's another big thing. That's uh, you know,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: a guy could uh could key on you. But a
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: lot of guys have that ability and not the other
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: soul lesser the two.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: You know. So here's another one that that you hear
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: it get brought up a lot, and that's mental toughness.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: How how would you say mental toughness factors into your success.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: If at all? And how would you define mental toughness?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: Like, what does that look like for you, you're looking
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: at the mentally toughest son of a bit you've ever
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: seen in your life right here.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: So last year, i'll make a public right now.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: I came to the point where I know somebody was
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: a really good hunter who went through a season that
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: went the hell that gave up on it. Literally it
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: was too much and gave up in a season. I
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: got to that point like six times last year, and
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: I pushed the accelerator pedal. I literally woke up at
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: two different times hanging in my safety harness. I passed
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: out cold and was hanging from my tree and my
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: harness and crawled back up on the freaking stand.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: I had two torn rotator cuffs.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: I literally could not even get my backpack on without
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: laying on the ground and getting into my stand from
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: a tree.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: I literally passed out on the way in one morning.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: And up at in the dark, sat down next to
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: the tree, lost my balance, sat down and woke up
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: that sun up. I thought I was freaking freaking dead,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: and got back up and went up that freaking hill
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: and got in that tree that I was supposed to
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: be in early that day because I went in early
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: because that buck was going through there. So as far
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: as mental tough then you're gonna you're gonna kill me
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: and drag me out of it. Was that's I'm not
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: gonna get beat there because I'm gonna just push on.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: And I was that way probably in the left the
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: next two you know, he get in a fight with me,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not losing, You're you're you're gonna kill me, or
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: you're losing. I just will not give up. I've never
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: been that that guy. I don't know where I got
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: that from. My uh, I might have been my mother.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: To tell you the truth book, I just and there's
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: some guys out in their mental toughness, but you can
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: do this is what I just went through with that
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: buck last year. That deer was one of the one
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: of the biggest typicals. I got on the wall that
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: that crushes people, crucifies them, and it did early on
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: for me. And I learned that lesson so many years
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: is because it's happened numerous times, so you.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: Learn to get through it. You almost have to.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: You build that that shield up. But I think that's
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: the ship that gets you coming back for more.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: Man that.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: If everything's the same humdrum ship and it's in these
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: deer would just roll over and you kill them. What
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: what excitement isn't that in that deer?
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's a big part of the game physical,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: you know, Elk hunting maybe so much if you're most
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: guys are a couple of weeks a year hunting. The
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: other guys that hunt really serious, like a lot of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: guys on these pages that really are, you know, they're
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: all year hunters like I was. That's gonna some physical
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: shit's going to come in there, But most these younger
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: guys are probably in the in the shape to handle it,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: you know. But I would think more more of that
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: mental toughness to to deal with the amount of failure
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: you're going to deal. Here's another thing I always said,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever failed in anything in my life.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: If anything I set my mind out to do, I achieve.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: I get beat up.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: I might get knocked down a million times, and I
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: end up getting up and winning the game. Whatever it
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: is I've been at. This is one area I cannot
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: win at. I get my ass kicked every freaking year.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: And I don't know if I like it or what,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: but it's it's the challenge and it stays challenging. The
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: sport it's it's the ultimate freaking sport I think is
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: to uh to hunt wait till with a bull it's
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: just and then to go after caliber and specific animals.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: It's like matching your wits with something that's you know
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: better than you are, so come up empty a lot,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: you know, but it's uh, that's that's what drives me,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: keeps me coming back for more.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: So when you have these moments where you pass out
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: and have to climb back up into your tree, or
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: you fall asleep next to the tree on the ground
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: and you wake up and you're like, holy crap, I
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: am war the heck out, or you miss that deer
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: or whatever, all these things that can happen that go wrong,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: and you you don't quit.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: You never quit.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: You pushed through what's your internal dialogue, like do you
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe you're not the same way appen.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: I'm a tough situation.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: That stuff has never happened to me before. That was
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: this year that that happened, and it probably never happened
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: to me again. But my train of thought was this
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: was going to be my last probably season in the
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: woods and I was going freaking out with a bang man.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: I was going to just hit it hard. I had opportunities.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: I could have came up with my biggest season this year,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: and I wanted to end up on that note.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: And I've failed at that.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Like I said, I got a couple of kills, but
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: not the ones that I wanted, had the opportunities that
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: the one I wanted and screwed up.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: And you know, I could blame it on that.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: Physical letdown for me this year because it was it
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, I can't even explain to you, there's nobody,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: nobody in the right mind. If my wife would have
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: known what have been going on, she'd probably would have
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: tackled me and not let me out to freaking door
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: what was going on. But I was set in my
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: head that I'm going out and and in the condition
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: I'm on, who runs down to Kentucky and hunts some
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: ship like that in that heating and all these different
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: states and just every day and not letting up a
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: bit because I just wanted to. I wanted to run
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: that ship right out of me and figure that and
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: and towards the end I think I did. I think
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: I started getting h a little better and getting a
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: little more. I still ain't getting to sleep I needed,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: But it was the mindset I had, what do you
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: want to go in a hospital bed and die or
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: would you rather go go out swing? And what your
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: what your passionate life was?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: And then on top of it, designing like seven new
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: freaking products myself.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's the neighbors will come by here
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: occasional too.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: When I first retired for a retired guy, I got
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: I camp every time we come by there. What you're
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: up on the ladder, You're moving, You're doing shit. It's like,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: you know what am I supposed to do? Go sit
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: in the house and freaking watch TV? I mean, this
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: is getting boring, man. I got to get back into
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: some some some living, you know. So I'm not gonna
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: let the old man in.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit it. Hired this year, hopefully that dear
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: is back.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: We've got more new products again this year, and then
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: this is forty I'll start back pedal a little bit
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: off this business probably in the next couple of years.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: They got Cody's you know, running the operation there and
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: my daughter and we've got some really good people now
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: for white tail addictions in place that part of it's
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm able to kind of start letting loose a
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: little bit, but it was tough to do for perfectionists.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: Nothing's ever good enough, right.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: So in that point and maybe we'll get get to
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: do a little bit more with the Way from the
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: grand Is. But I'm telling you right now season comes,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: I'm you can bet you can bet your your bottom dollar.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: I will be out there and I will be hitting
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: as hard as I can, I guess looking for that
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: next next big hit, you know.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I've got a couple final kind of
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: rapid fire questions. So so I'll give these to you
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: quick and you can give me kind of a quick
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: first thought answer on it, and we'll knock these out fast.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Here for you, what is a purchase you've made of
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: one hundred dollars or less that has most positively impacted
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: your hunting success?
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: So what's been like you? I got to answer to quick.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: I gotta think about this purchase or less.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: So your best one hundred dollars or less purchase for
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: hunting gear some kind that either made it more effective
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: or made it more enjoyable or something for gear yeah,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: what's one budget gear that actually.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: In the archery industry? Now it's on our hundred bucks.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, getting hard to find that. God,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: I'm stumped that that is like an all awakening type.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not supposed to. I'm not supposed to answer
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: questions for you, but something just popped in my mind.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Would it be your face mask? Like, I know that's
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: a little thing that has seen make dem I make
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: that face mak I sow them up myself. I still
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: got and I got the recipe to do it, to
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: bring it commercially. But it's like, there's really not a
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: lot of money on face mask. And what I'll do
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: is everybody starts using them, They'll start killing all kinds
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: of ship too. So I figured I just stood on that.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: But so one of my most important things, that's the
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: key thing. Optics again, Uh, you know, binocias are very
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: very I don't know. I can't understand the guys how
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: guys can even hunt without a set of mon ocuras
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: on them. But guys do because they want to take
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: the extra weight and maybe they got great vision. But
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: even when I had great vision, it's it's still an
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: important thing. But yeah, you answered it for me, but.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: It didn't cast it doesn't They don't cost the time
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: because I just karing old blind up to shoot through
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: material and get some you know, I sold too, by
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: the way, and very talented in that area, you know.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: So yeah, well that that that you answered that for me,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: because I can't think of anything.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: That's like I said, how about how about this? Here's
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: a slightly different version of that. If you had to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: give up all of your high end gear, like all
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: of the tree stands you've made yourself, all of the
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: equipment that you've designed over the years, the bow you
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: bought or got, the all your top tier stuff. I
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: know you've got a lot of high quality hunting gear,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: but if you had to get rid of all the
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: top tier stuff and replace it with bare bones, budget
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: friendly stuff.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: So if you had to like go to Walmart and
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: just get Walmart Camo, a Walmart bow, a Walmart.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: Everything else, all your stuff was going to be entry
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: level except for one category of things, Like you could
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: have one high end thing. Would you want a high
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: end optic, a high end bow, high end tree stand,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: high end Camo, high end something else.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: What would be the one thing that you might have to.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to say this's gonna and I'm not
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: saying it because it's loaded and I have a tree
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: stand company. But I've said this before, even when I
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: had a wood tree stand back in the day, starting
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: that I would rather tick to the woods with just
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: my stand and equipment then my bowl. I think for me,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: it was the most important piece of equipment that was
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: with a two piece climber back in the day and
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: to this day will be the same. I could go
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: get a bowl the bowls I shoot, because the arrows
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: I shoot, they freaking come in Andy, laugh at what
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: the hell is that.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, that's all this is doing. It's
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: going to seal the deal.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: I just got to take this arrow out of this
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: this bowl that's freaking twenty five years old that I've
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: been shooting forever, fifty four pounds and I got to
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: hit that target at fifteen yards.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: I can do it.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: I can't go in the woods ever again with a
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: noisy tree stand or clinking and clanking around, or having
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: to worry about shifting my weight. When the deal is
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: sealed and it's in the moment of truth is there,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: I can't could never go back to that. Once I
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: got through that, dude, it was and did not have
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: to worry about because that's what it was back in
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: the day.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm talking decades ago.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: Is that I would get on these big animals and
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: stuff and so intimate, and it's like ten fifteen yard
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: shots a pressure deer and man your arrow rest or
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: some little noise, A scuffed a scuff on material. One
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: material is one hundred percent different than the scuff of
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: another material. Why does that one light up a deer
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: and one knot The squeak of aluminum in a tree
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: stand lights up generations of white tail. I don't know
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: what it was about them, it's it'll light them up
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: and get them heading.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: For the hill.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: So and it's so I would say that a bowl.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: I could go pick up a bowl anywhere. I could
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: pick up a recurve and shoot a recurve consistent. I
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: could go pick up a thirty pound fiberglass bowl like
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: we started out with back in the day, and I
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: know I can go out and kill a deer with it.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: So I think I would. I'd want my stand equipment
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: to be what I've been hunting out of.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: My could be the older line of stands that don't
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: have to be, you know, the newer line of stands.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: But I really liked, you know, the newer stuff that
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: we're doing now.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: So no, no, it does. And I can understand, I
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: can understand your perspective to a quality stand or way
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: to get up there, you know, quietly effectively. That's that's
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: so important, all right. Last question, if you had to.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Distill your approach to deer hunting or or pick your
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: single most important piece of deer hunting advice that you
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: want to share with the world, and if you had
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: to put it on a billboard on the side of
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: the road next to like a Cabellas or bass pro shops,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: that everyone's going to drive past this billboard on their way.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: What would that most important message be, that that phrase
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: or few words or that one thing you want to.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: Leave with people. That's easy, Hunt like a wolf. And
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: that's exactly what I do. Man.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: I put my nose into the wind, quartering it, and
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: I'd go after him and hunt like a wolf. Every
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: day is different, the game's different. Go get them, Just
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: get out there and mix it up.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, Yeah, that's a that's a great line.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: That really is I love it, So, Andrea, where can
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: folks where can folks go to see the show and
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: the content you guys make these days? What should folks
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  Speaker 1: be looking for from Lone Wolf Custom Gear? Is there
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  Speaker 1: anything you want to tell people about as far as
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  Speaker 1: product or content?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So this year we got We've got a whole
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  Speaker 4: new line of sticks coming out. We have a we
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  Speaker 4: had a new stand come out to Hybrid.
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  Speaker 3: You can see that.
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  Speaker 4: You can go on to our YouTube channel and see
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  Speaker 4: all the White Tail Addictions programs from and you'll want
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  Speaker 4: to see some of those old original number ones and that.
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  Speaker 4: But this year we'll have eighteen episodes. Something we've done
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  Speaker 4: this year different than others we've partnered. You can see
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  Speaker 4: who the sponsors are. We partnered with some different people.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of our guys are serious guys and a
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  Speaker 4: lot of them use a lot of the same They've
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  Speaker 4: all keyed in or adapted to a lot of these
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  Speaker 4: sponsors that we've had. It's it's stuff that we've been
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  Speaker 4: using already. So it's an easy an easy fit. So
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  Speaker 4: you'll be able to see eighteen episodes of White Toil
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  Speaker 4: Addictions on there. I have a new broadhead. We'll be
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  Speaker 4: sending some commercials out with now that's totally different way
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  Speaker 4: out from what's out there. And aluminum broadhead, believe it
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  Speaker 4: or not, that's you'll see my kill from this year,
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  Speaker 4: two hundred and sixty five pound buck and it's at
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  Speaker 4: fifty four pounds. It's the hardest hitting head you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: ever see. And when you see the kill, you'll see
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  Speaker 4: why through both shoulders just about came out the other
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  Speaker 4: side of the animal and the thing let's out a
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  Speaker 4: roar like it was hit with a freight train.
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  Speaker 3: So we also have.
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  Speaker 4: Those roadshows going. You'll be able to, you know, check
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  Speaker 4: the schedule on that. That's Cody's and Jake's gig there.
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  Speaker 4: We're still accept thing and will other applicants for white
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  Speaker 4: tail addictions. So if somebody wants to get the cell filming,
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  Speaker 4: we have a new camera, arms, even smaller, lighter, everything
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  Speaker 4: we got as small as lazy and getting out. I
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  Speaker 4: apologize we didn't get all these new products out early
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  Speaker 4: at the ATA show like we do, but from here
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  Speaker 4: on in we don't do that anymore because that everybody
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  Speaker 4: copies what we do at the ATA, and because we're
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  Speaker 4: hunters and we're not prepared there and it takes us
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  Speaker 4: a long time to get that out the market. Other
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  Speaker 4: companies are able to take our stuff and get it
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  Speaker 4: there quicker. So now what we're doing is you're going
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  Speaker 4: to see it now here in the next month. Some
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  Speaker 4: of the new stuff, you know, groundbreaking equipment, and it'll
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  Speaker 4: be we'll have a year on them. And also it's
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  Speaker 4: it's a kind of a weird, weird world out there.
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  Speaker 3: But what else was there? I think that's it. We've
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  Speaker 3: got Lone Wolf custom gear. We're bringing the brand back
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  Speaker 3: Lone Wolf for another line of stands coming.
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  Speaker 4: So there's a lot of good things coming. I think
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  Speaker 4: we do have a page mobile Hunters United. You can
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  Speaker 4: go on there and chat with a lot of similar
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  Speaker 4: minded guys, a lot of serious hunters. You can talk
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  Speaker 4: about equipment, talk about hunting. That's that's amazing. I sit
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  Speaker 4: back and just read a lot of that, and it's
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  Speaker 4: amazing some of the guys. A lot of guys are
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  Speaker 4: really attuned to so back in the day when I
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  Speaker 4: was all equipment to all about equipment and changing up
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  Speaker 4: gadget guys are like that. Now it's all hunting and
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  Speaker 4: equipment sold. They're orientated. But and then podcast like your guys.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we're listening to them all the time, enjoying them.
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  Speaker 4: It's a whole different world now. We don't sit in
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  Speaker 4: front of a TV anymore or watch those hunting shows.
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  Speaker 4: We sit and listen, listen to what's going on out
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  Speaker 4: there from the guys out there getting it done or
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  Speaker 4: in the field are attempting to But yeah, I appreciate
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  Speaker 4: all you guys are doing so and that you.
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  Speaker 3: Take the time to listen. Joined here now, this is
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  Speaker 3: this has been great.
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  Speaker 1: I we got everything we could have hoped out this conversation,
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  Speaker 1: and I think a lot of a lot of interesting
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  Speaker 1: insights and folks are gonna folks are gonna learn some
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  Speaker 1: interesting lessons from this one.
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  Speaker 3: So thank you, Andre. I appreciate you making the time
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  Speaker 3: for it. Can't wait to see how this season goes
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  Speaker 3: for it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, and that is a wrap. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: joining me today. Hopefully you learn something here as we
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  Speaker 1: try to dive into the mindset of the White tail
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  Speaker 1: Master known as mister Andre to Cuisto. I appreciate Andre's time.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, and until next time, stay wired
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  Speaker 1: to Hu