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#400 Meet Justin’s Parental Guidance Co-Host · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast. It's the podcast for the
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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers now.
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Speaker 2: So when we walk into the house, we're especially at
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Speaker 2: least two gorgeoust kids coming running up. What's more important
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Speaker 2: that working email that can wait another half hour or
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Speaker 2: just giving them that attention that they want in that moment.
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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom
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Speaker 1: and dad.
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Speaker 3: I've got stage fright today. Alison Langdon joins us for
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Speaker 3: the Happy Families Podcast. Ali was my what was the
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Speaker 3: host of parental Guidance? I was going to say with
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Speaker 3: my co host, I just I just promoted myself. This
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Speaker 3: stoped Justin Colson here with Kylie, my wife, and Mundo,
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Speaker 3: our six kids and Allison Langdon. Good morning to you.
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Speaker 2: Good morning co host. How are you a co host?
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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you know how to put him in
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Speaker 4: his place, Allie.
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Speaker 3: He needs it every now and again. I'm literally shrinking
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Speaker 3: under the table right now. Oh gosh, wow, So we've
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Speaker 3: watched three weeks of amazing TV. I don't think that
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Speaker 3: family life and parenting has ever been under the spotlight
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Speaker 3: on Australian television, maybe even international television in the way
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Speaker 3: that this show has done it, and Alie, we wanted
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Speaker 3: to get you on the show to have a conversation
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Speaker 3: with you about what it was like to literally be
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Speaker 3: in the driver's seat to host this brand new show
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Speaker 3: that has done really well by any measure. The way
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Speaker 3: we're going to do this, though, is because I was
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Speaker 3: on the show with you. Rather than me asking you questions,
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Speaker 3: I already know the answers to. Kylie is going to
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Speaker 3: run the interview, and this is Kylie's first ever interview.
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Speaker 3: Like normally, I do the whole thing and Kylie sort
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Speaker 3: of chimes in with some really great conversation, but today
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Speaker 3: it's all Kylie.
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Speaker 2: This is very exciting because I was a bit worried
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Speaker 2: it was going to be you justin But now I'm
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Speaker 2: working with a professional that it's Kylie. Well, I'm on board.
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Speaker 2: Cop it does he also copy it at home, Kylie.
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Speaker 3: A little bit, a little bit. This is what Ali
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Speaker 3: did to me for the entire feeling of the show
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Speaker 3: the whole time, just kept putting me back in my box.
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Speaker 4: There are so many things we can tell talk about
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Speaker 4: with the show, Allie, but before we even get to
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Speaker 4: the show, I just need to know what it was
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Speaker 4: like working with Justin. I mean, I have to live
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Speaker 4: with him, and that can be tricky at times. But
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Speaker 4: I'm just wondering how intense was it really?
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Speaker 2: Look I mean, I've got to admit that by the
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Speaker 2: time we did some long days and we get to
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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock at night, it's like, oh, thank goodness, he's
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Speaker 2: going home to Kylie and she can deal with him now,
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Speaker 2: and then I've got a good break. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how you've done it for as long as you've done it. No.
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Speaker 2: I loved working with your husband. He's a wonderful manager,
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Speaker 2: a great sense of humor, great advice, and just to
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Speaker 2: be sitting next to him. And as Justin said, we're
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Speaker 2: going through this it's a brand new experiments. We're not
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Speaker 2: looking at something that someone's done overseas and copying it.
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Speaker 2: We're kind of we were winging it, which is kind
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Speaker 2: of how our parent by the way, and we also
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Speaker 2: making it up as we went. And it was just
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Speaker 2: so fun and it was lovely being in that room
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Speaker 2: with these ten different parenting styles, all very different, but
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Speaker 2: all very like of celebrating the different styles that that
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Speaker 2: you know that work for different people.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that word. Celebrate. I'm wondering, Ellie, how
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Speaker 3: do you parent?
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Speaker 4: Now that you've seen the show and you've seen all
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Speaker 4: these different parenting styles, what would you say your parenting
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Speaker 4: style is.
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Speaker 2: Well, if we did a season two, I'd be the
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Speaker 2: perfect parent. I had all these conversations with Justin and
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Speaker 2: I break. I'd be going, Okay, so I'm asking for
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Speaker 2: a friend if you do this, No, Allie, you can't
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Speaker 2: do that, okay, and I've got this other friend so no. Basically,
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Speaker 2: Justin and the other parents in the room helped me
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Speaker 2: adjust what we do and what I actually found in
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Speaker 2: all seriousness going through this experiment is that my parenting
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Speaker 2: style and my husband's parenting style is a little bit inconsistent.
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Speaker 2: So we've never really sat down and said, Okay, this
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Speaker 2: is how we want to do it. We're on the
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Speaker 2: same page in regards to this. My husband's probably a
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Speaker 2: little bit more strict than I am, but he is consistent.
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Speaker 2: I'm inconsistent. I think part of that is some days
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Speaker 2: time and what have you, and I just can't be
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Speaker 2: bothered having that fight. So the rules, you know, Monday
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Speaker 2: might be different Tuesday. And so I've really tried to
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Speaker 2: get my head around that more and so the kids
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Speaker 2: know where those boundaries are and those boundaries don't change.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's made a really big difference in
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Speaker 2: our household.
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Speaker 3: So let's just clarify as well. How old are your kids.
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Speaker 3: You've got a boy and a girl.
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Speaker 2: Were a little boy, Mac and he is four, and
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Speaker 2: a little girl, Scout, who is two. And to be clear,
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Speaker 2: the way our parent both of them is very different
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Speaker 2: because what works for him does not work for her.
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Speaker 3: Which one's your favorite today?
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Speaker 2: Neither of them today. They're both in my back. I
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Speaker 2: absolutely have favorites. So I tried to get you to
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Speaker 2: tell me which one was your favorite, and you never
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Speaker 2: fell for that, But I would happily tell you each day,
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Speaker 2: but always change. I figure as long as you don't
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Speaker 2: consistently have cities goes back to being inconsistent, right, as
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Speaker 2: long as you don't consistently have the same favorite child,
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Speaker 2: it's okay.
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Speaker 3: So we're recording this via zoom, and Ali is literally
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Speaker 3: hiding in the corner of a room so the kids
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Speaker 3: can't find.
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Speaker 2: I'm in my four year olds room in Max room,
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Speaker 2: sitting on his bed with construction Quilton and his Elmo,
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Speaker 2: and I've got his little shark toy and yeah, this
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Speaker 2: is the only place I could find where it's quiet
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Speaker 2: in my house.
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Speaker 3: Right now, Hey, I've got another quick question for you
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Speaker 3: before Collie jumps in. And I know it's Kylie's interview,
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Speaker 3: but I taled to Allie.
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Speaker 4: There's just no I know I've learned.
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Speaker 3: Well, I just thought of a question. I just thought
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Speaker 3: of something that we didn't talk about when we were
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Speaker 3: recording the show. And I'm I don't know if you're
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Speaker 3: going to give me a straight answer here. I'm guessing
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Speaker 3: because you're so so careful, you probably won't. But do
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Speaker 3: you have a favorite parenting style? I'm not going to
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Speaker 3: ask which couple you liked the most, although I'm tempted,
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Speaker 3: but do you have a style when you were sitting
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Speaker 3: in the room and watching the parents talk, and I
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Speaker 3: know that was good and bad to take from each
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Speaker 3: of them, but was there one that really just resonated
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Speaker 3: with you that you were like, I just want to
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Speaker 3: be a bit more like them.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say there was one particular style.
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Speaker 5: I took a little bit out of a few sort
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Speaker 5: of certain styles, but I think they sort of lean
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Speaker 5: in one particular direction. And so I mean I look
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Speaker 5: at what we do at home, and it's a little
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Speaker 5: bit between.
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Speaker 2: We're very much routine, We're a little bit helicopter. I'm
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Speaker 2: sometimes free range, you see when my kids are confused. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but as I keep saying to my husband, look, they
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Speaker 2: need something to talk to their therapist about when they
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Speaker 2: grow up, and I feel I provide that material. But
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't actually say there was one style that worked
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Speaker 2: for me. I think, you know, there were some things
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Speaker 2: about say, for instance, free range parenting. There's a whole
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Speaker 2: lot I took away from that, but there was a
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Speaker 2: whole lot that didn't work for me that I couldn't do.
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Speaker 2: So I wouldn't have I haven't walked away and going okay, right,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be a free range parent or I'm
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Speaker 2: going to be a French parent. Now I think I'm
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Speaker 2: still parent pretty much the same way. We've just adjusted
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Speaker 2: around the edges.
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Speaker 4: I think that that is actually the magic of the show.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't actually about highlighting that there was this one
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Speaker 4: golden standard. What it has done has opened up our
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Speaker 4: eyes to the fact that there are so many wonderful
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Speaker 4: ways to parent our children, and we can take so
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Speaker 4: much from each style and bring that into our own
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Speaker 4: personal makeup of what parenting looks like for our family.
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Speaker 2: Well, how has it changed to your family, Kylie? And
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Speaker 2: how are you parents?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? What did you notice when I came back from
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Speaker 3: filming the show? What did you see in me? Was
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Speaker 3: I different? It was supposed to be in the hot seat?
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Speaker 3: This is not mine? Seriously? Was I different at all?
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Speaker 3: Did you notice a difference when we got back together
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Speaker 3: after being away for a couple of weeks filming the show.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that you were more intentional. It can
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Speaker 4: be it can get really it can get really crazy
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Speaker 4: in our house with the different stooge daughters. I'm in Hello,
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Speaker 4: and sometimes it can be very easy to just get
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Speaker 4: swallowed up in the day to day running of things
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Speaker 4: and kind of forget that there's a whole lot of
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Speaker 4: little people following behind. And I think what I noticed
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Speaker 4: when you came home was just this absolute intention to
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Speaker 4: be in the space and be in the moment with
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Speaker 4: our kids.
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Speaker 3: That's a great answer. I feel like I've passed, but
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Speaker 3: I think.
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Speaker 2: That's a that's a really important thing you raise And
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Speaker 2: that was one of the things that came out for
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Speaker 2: me when we talked about screen time and that challenge
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Speaker 2: is that my husband when he'd walk in the door
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Speaker 2: after you finished work in the afternoon, the kids are
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Speaker 2: like daddy, daddy, daddy, and he's just you know, jumped
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Speaker 2: off the motorbike and he's coming in and in his
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Speaker 2: backs of checking emails and all. Or when I'd come
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Speaker 2: home from work and he's still doing work, phone calls
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Speaker 2: and all, that's all stopped. So when we walk into
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Speaker 2: the house, and especially at these two gorgeous little kids
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Speaker 2: coming and running up, what's more important that work email
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Speaker 2: that can wait another half hour or just giving them
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Speaker 2: that tension that they want in that moment. And we've
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Speaker 2: found that their behavior is better, you know, dinner time
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Speaker 2: an you know that that whole witching hour is far
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Speaker 2: less witchy because they have our full and complete attention.
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Speaker 2: So that roller coaster of emotions at that time of
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Speaker 2: the day I haven't gone away. I'm not saying you're
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Speaker 2: no tantrums in our house anymore, but it just it
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Speaker 2: just feels calmer, it feels happier. Everyone's connected.
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Speaker 3: I say this all the time. If you can get
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Speaker 3: the connection right, if kids feel like you're emotionally available
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Speaker 3: to them, you probably resolve eighty to ninety percent of
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Speaker 3: your behavioral challenges without ever having to do any quote
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Speaker 3: unquote discipline because kids have just been designed to connect. Hey,
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Speaker 3: right after the break, we're going to find out about
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Speaker 3: how an objective, unemotional journalists came just a little bit
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Speaker 3: undone during the filming of Parental Guidance. That's next on
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Speaker 3: the Happy Families Podcast.
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Speaker 4: It's the Happy Families Podcast, the podcast for the time
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Speaker 4: poor parent who just wants answers now and today we
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Speaker 4: have the beautiful Allison Langdon with us and we are
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Speaker 4: discussing all things parental guidance.
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Speaker 3: Allison Langdon, mother of two youngsters four and two, and
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Speaker 3: the host host of I was going to say host
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Speaker 3: of the Today Show, but really that's nothing. Host of
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Speaker 3: Parental Guidance, That's what we're really. You know, you've hit
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Speaker 3: the big time, Ali when you're hosting the parenting reality
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Speaker 3: TV show on Channel nine.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, until you realize you've been brought on as
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Speaker 2: an example of what a bad parent like A few
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Speaker 2: moments like that was like, far, okay, I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to share my story here.
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Speaker 4: It's interesting when you very the very first question you
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Speaker 4: asked Justin at the beginning of the show first night,
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Speaker 4: you said, are you a perfect parent? And lots of
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Speaker 4: people ask those questions all the time of Justin and
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Speaker 4: I since he has started this journey with happy families,
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Speaker 4: and the reality is we're not. And the reason that
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Speaker 4: we get to be better and better is because we
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Speaker 4: immerse ourselves in it every day. This podcast helps us
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Speaker 4: to be reminded of the things that are so important
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Speaker 4: to us and help us to kind of be more
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Speaker 4: intentional with the way we parent. And I think that
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Speaker 4: that's what the show has done as well. It's just
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Speaker 4: allowed people to kind of open up dialogue and have
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Speaker 4: these beautiful conversations about how to be intentional in their parenting.
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Speaker 2: That's just beautiful. I think that's exactly what we hoped
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Speaker 2: the show would achieve, that everyone would just it just
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Speaker 2: make people think and perhaps think outside the square a
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Speaker 2: little bit about how they approach things and is there
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Speaker 2: a better way or is there a way of just
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Speaker 2: adjusting around the edges. That can mean that the whole
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Speaker 2: family benefits. So I think that how you've just summed
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Speaker 2: it up there, Kylie is perfect. It's exactly what we're
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Speaker 2: hoping to achieve, Allie.
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Speaker 4: Journalists are typically objective and unemotional about things, but it
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Speaker 4: seemed like you got a little bit caught up in
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Speaker 4: the moment and you were quite affected a few times.
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Speaker 4: Maybe put your mum hat on for a minute instead
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Speaker 4: of the journal hat. What hit you so hard as
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Speaker 4: you went through the show?
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Speaker 2: Ah? Well, I mean Justin will tell you I was
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Speaker 2: in tears quite a bit.
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Speaker 1: Roll.
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Speaker 2: I think because you have these moments from these parents
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Speaker 2: when and let's go right back to the very first
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Speaker 2: episode as an example, when we were talking about snacking,
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Speaker 2: and then with that first group there was that talk,
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Speaker 2: and there was also the talk with the kids without
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Speaker 2: climbing the rock wall, and this is moments where really
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Speaker 2: heartfelt from the parents, where it's we're just we're trying
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Speaker 2: to do our best, and it's sort of this idea
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Speaker 2: of maybe what we're doing isn't good enough, or maybe
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Speaker 2: we need to look at this, And I just you
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Speaker 2: felt the parent's emotion and you felt the love for
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Speaker 2: their kids in that time, and even if it was
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Speaker 2: a parenting style that I didn't necessarily agree with, some
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Speaker 2: of the things that they did and that I'm talking
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Speaker 2: here is our snacking family and also a disciplined family
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Speaker 2: in regards to soap on a toothbrush. Just hearing those
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Speaker 2: and hearing how they speak about the kids and how
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Speaker 2: much they'd love their kids and why they do it,
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Speaker 2: and the thought process behind and that I found was
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Speaker 2: really really emotional. And I just love the reason that
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Speaker 2: everyone came on that show. Everyone just wants to be
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Speaker 2: better and just wants to create beautiful, kind human beings
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Speaker 2: who grow up to be kind, caring adults. And so
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Speaker 2: everyone's got the same objective, we're just doing it all differently.
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Speaker 2: So when someone was feeling you know, when certain groups
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Speaker 2: are feeling the heat or sort of really felt that
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Speaker 2: their style was being picked apart, in some ways, I
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Speaker 2: felt for them in that moment, because you know it's
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Speaker 2: coming from a place of love.
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Speaker 3: When you're on social media or even when you're watching
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Speaker 3: a TV show, normally you just see this two dimensional character.
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Speaker 3: But I feel like in parental guidance, we got to
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Speaker 3: we got to know the parents, we got to understand
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Speaker 3: and we've got to see their humanity and their tenderness
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Speaker 3: and their vulnerability and their willingness to be open. And
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Speaker 3: for me, that's what moved me most. And I get
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Speaker 3: the sense that that was the same for you Ali.
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Speaker 3: And watching Timothy climb up that wall and fall down
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Speaker 3: and keep on pushing or I was boiling like a
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Speaker 3: baby with that one. Well I was, so.
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Speaker 2: Was I.
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Speaker 7: And also like the stranger danger because I think we've
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Speaker 7: all thought about that, how we have the conversation with
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Speaker 7: our kids. And Mac, my four year old, was up
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Speaker 7: with me and that when that when the show started
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Speaker 7: on that that first week and when it played in
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Speaker 7: like the teaser at the start of the show.
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Speaker 2: Mackie turned to me and he said, oh, Mummy, we
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Speaker 2: don't go We don't talk to strangers in the park,
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Speaker 2: do we, just in case they're a bad person. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's right, mate, he goes, except if they've got a
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Speaker 2: puppy and then it's okay. It was just that I'm like, oh, like,
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Speaker 2: this is why this conversation is so hard. This is
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Speaker 2: why we all felt it when when the kids who
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Speaker 2: went went off did because it does and how do
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Speaker 2: you have that conversation? And I know for us, we've
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Speaker 2: talked about it. I don't want my kids scared of
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Speaker 2: adults and scared thinking that, you know, every every person
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Speaker 2: is going to try and take them and abduct them.
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Speaker 2: Don't want them thinking that. I want them to think
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Speaker 2: that if they were in trouble and they were somewhere
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Speaker 2: where we weren't, I mean, don't send them to the
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Speaker 2: park yet on their own, them with them, But I'd
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Speaker 2: hate them to think that they couldn't go up to
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Speaker 2: an adult and ask someone for help if they needed it.
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Speaker 2: So how do you get that language right around a
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Speaker 2: conversation with something that's so important? And it just ripped
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Speaker 2: my heart out when I saw those kids go off
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Speaker 2: and just you put yourself in.
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Speaker 3: That situation, and to watch the parents go through it
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Speaker 3: as well. It was just and I expected Ali that
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Speaker 3: we were going to get some blowback. I thought that
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Speaker 3: there'd be some criticism of that. I didn't read, see
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Speaker 3: or hear anybody say anything negative about it, And I
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Speaker 3: think it's because everybody recognized just how important it was,
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Speaker 3: and they also saw the responses of the parents like
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Speaker 3: this is a point well made, full stop. End of
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Speaker 3: story and now the conversation has opened up.
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Speaker 4: This has been such an awesome conversation, Alie. I have
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Speaker 4: just loved getting your take on the show. One life
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Speaker 4: ask question to close things up, what changed for you
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Speaker 4: because of the show?
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Speaker 2: Goodness me. I think we're just far more conscious about
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Speaker 2: the type of parents we want to be, and so
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Speaker 2: we've changed. We've actually so we've actually changed how we parent.
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Speaker 2: I find myself now going to the park. I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying be careful, watch out, that's dangerous, because that's putting
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Speaker 2: all those ideas in the kid's head. So now when
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Speaker 2: Matt climbs something really high, I just don't watch.
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Speaker 3: It's easier, great stuff, keep it up, give it up.
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Speaker 3: Range going on there.
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Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of free range there. And
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Speaker 2: I think we've we've got a real planning place with
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Speaker 2: screen time. You know, we we've got to we're talking
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Speaker 2: the talk, we've got to walk it. And so we've
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Speaker 2: been really good and really consistent at just getting rid
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Speaker 2: of the screens at certain times of the day. And
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Speaker 2: you know, that's morning when my husband's with the kids.
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Speaker 2: I'm obviously not there in the mornings, but that afternoon
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Speaker 2: post daycare or how he gets home. It's just it's
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Speaker 2: properly family focused time and we're seeing a huge, huge
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Speaker 2: change in the kids and response. We're just not having
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Speaker 2: those horrible meltdowns and witching hours that we have previously.
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Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, it's it's made It's made us
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Speaker 2: much better parents and more and far more aware.
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Speaker 3: Love that, and I think that conversation is happening all
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Speaker 3: around the country with so many families. Alison Langdon, host
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Speaker 3: of The Today Show and Parental Guidance, thanks so much
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Speaker 3: for joining us on the Happy Families podcast.
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Speaker 2: I can't believe you pick your nose bet.
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Speaker 3: Other than that, I'll see you for season two. And
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to sanitize.
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Speaker 2: How you doing with Carli. You put up with it.
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Speaker 3: The Happy Families podcast is produced by Justin Rulan from
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Speaker 3: Bridge Media. Craig Bruce is our executive producer. If you'd
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Speaker 3: like more and fol about making your family happier, you
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Speaker 2: I'd just like to say, Carly, then you should do
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Speaker 2: more of the talking.
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Speaker 3: What are you saying?
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Speaker 2: What is this Gosh