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Credlin | 2 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to Credlin steep Price sitting in for
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Speaker 2: Peter this week. He is What's coming up on the
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Speaker 2: show tonight, Victoria as we know it is heading down
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Speaker 2: the track to a state based voice to Parliament and
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Speaker 2: an indigenous treaty. More details to come and it's disturbing
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Speaker 2: to say the least. Also tonight I'll catch up with
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Speaker 2: the Australian's Environment editor Graham Lloyd as yet another part
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Speaker 2: of the green dream goes up in smoke and may
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Speaker 2: a major wind farm operator actually pulls out of Australia.
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Speaker 2: And also on the program tonight, Credlin regular Greg Sheridan
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Speaker 2: on the Penny Wong and Marco Rubio Washington meeting and
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's fresh bid for a ceasefire in Gaza ahead
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Speaker 2: of Benjamin NETTNYA Who's visit to the White House on
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Speaker 2: Monday next week. Plus everyone's favorite word, Smith Kill Richards
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Speaker 2: on what hardened my French actually means and where it
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Speaker 2: came from off the back of Donald Trump's f bomb.
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Speaker 2: First up though, and I mentioned this treaty process being
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Speaker 2: foisted on Victorians by hard left Labor State government earlier
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Speaker 2: in the week. Well, we now have a lot more
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Speaker 2: detail and it's a whole lot worse than any of
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Speaker 2: us realized be included. Not surprisingly, Premier de Ciner Allen
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Speaker 2: is desperately trying to hose the whole notion of treaty
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Speaker 2: down and frantically trying to separate the failed Federal Voice
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Speaker 2: referendum and the No victory from what's being considered in
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Speaker 2: her state.
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Speaker 3: Here.
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Speaker 2: She was earlier this week babbling on about constitutions.
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Speaker 4: The key difference to the referendum that was put nationwide
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Speaker 4: a couple of years ago is that was changing the constitution.
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Speaker 4: This is not changing the Victorian constitution. It's simply taking
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Speaker 4: a common sense approach sitting the First People's Assembly, an
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Speaker 4: ongoing representative body into our existing parliamentary structures. But the
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Speaker 4: significant change is it'll be a body where we will
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Speaker 4: be listening, taking on their advice.
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Speaker 2: Taking it into our significant parliamentary structures. In the other words,
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Speaker 2: you got to worry about there. Note she said she
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Speaker 2: was not about changing the Australian constitution in that grab, Well,
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Speaker 2: no one is suggesting she was. Indeed, what she's doing
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Speaker 2: along with her Cabinet and a group of Indigenous activists
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Speaker 2: is a whole lot worse than that. Put Simply, a
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Speaker 2: standing royal commission, paid for by Victorian taxpayers to the
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Speaker 2: tune of sixty five million dollars so far, has sat
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Speaker 2: for four years. This thing's called the URUK Justice Commission,
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Speaker 2: and it's handed its down to Parliament. It's fine a report,
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Speaker 2: it's got one hundred recommendations and they expect to be
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Speaker 2: ticked off by the Parliament. This truth telling exercise wants
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Speaker 2: Indigenous Victorians offered special tax relief. It wants cash compensation.
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Speaker 2: It wants land given to Indigenous Victorians to compensate for colonization.
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Speaker 2: It wants Indigenous amlies given the right to keep their
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Speaker 2: children out of school and those same children be made
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Speaker 2: exempt from expulsion and suspension from the school. Now, clearly
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Speaker 2: we're dealing here with a wide ambit claim. But as
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Speaker 2: every Victorian would know, the most hard left government in Australia,
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Speaker 2: the Andrews Allen government, probably agrees with most of this stuff.
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Speaker 2: It was Dan Andrews who set up this whole process
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Speaker 2: in a motion back in twenty eighteen. Now, but as
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Speaker 2: it should be, it's the notion of a community divisive
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Speaker 2: treaty involving land, water and lots of cash as compensation
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Speaker 2: that should have not just Victorians. Worry about every Australian
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Speaker 2: because once it starts here, it will be open slatter everywhere.
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Speaker 2: Among other things, this commission wants our churches to return
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Speaker 2: what they claim this Truth Commission, what they claim a
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Speaker 2: stylen lands. They want markers erected on what they say
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Speaker 2: are fifty massacre sites across the state.
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Speaker 3: It goes on and on.
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Speaker 2: Here's Premier Allen again today talking about how welcome the
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Speaker 2: report was and if you can believe it, promising to
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Speaker 2: carefully consider all of the recommendations.
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Speaker 4: We're going to take our time to consider and respond
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Speaker 4: to the report. When you listen to people, when you
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Speaker 4: involve people directly impacted on decisions, you get better outcomes.
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Speaker 2: Now bear in mind there's no state election in Victoria
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Speaker 2: until November next year. Labour has a comfortable majority in
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Speaker 2: the Parliament and enjoys the support of the Greens and
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Speaker 2: various left leaning so called independence so they've got the
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Speaker 2: numbers to ram this stuff through. Alan would claim she
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Speaker 2: has a mandate to actually create a permanent Indigenous voice
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Speaker 2: attached to State Parliament, which would buy law need to
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Speaker 2: be negotiated with on all legislation, whether it applies to
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Speaker 2: Indigenous people or not. That's the facts of it. In
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Speaker 2: recent times, Victorian labor change the rules around public drunkenness,
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Speaker 2: turning it from a crime to preventing police from actually
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Speaker 2: arresting people drunk in public instead establishing great cost sobering
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Speaker 2: up facilities known as drunk tanks, one in Melbourne, several
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Speaker 2: in regional centers. Why do I mention this? And reportedly
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Speaker 2: these things are so little used, it's not funny. So
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Speaker 2: why do they exist well? In part because some Indigenous
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Speaker 2: leaders were worried about indigenous drunks being locked up, fearing
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Speaker 2: deaths in custody. Now that, my friends, is a practical
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Speaker 2: example of where all of this is going to go.
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Speaker 2: It's a race dividing road we should not be going down.
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Speaker 2: But sadly we are already well down that road. Get
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Speaker 2: our panels view on that in the moment, But first
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Speaker 2: I tend to camera now for tonight's political update with
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Rubensbargo.
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Speaker 5: The Foreign Minister has met her us CA to part
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Speaker 5: and walked away with renewed confidence that America understands the
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Speaker 5: importance of ORCUS, but Australia seems no closer to a
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Speaker 5: deal on tariffs. Discussions reduced a seemingly distant relationship between
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Speaker 5: the allied countries, Pennywong claims. Marco Rubio expressed regret that
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Speaker 5: Donald Trump couldn't attend a scheduled meeting with Anthony Albernezi
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Speaker 5: last month.
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Speaker 4: Perfectly understood why the President had to leave given the circumstances, and.
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Speaker 5: We agree that we will reschedule this meeting.
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Speaker 2: Pennywong had a very clear job this week, which was
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Speaker 2: to get over to the United States and to strengthen
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Speaker 2: that alliance.
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Speaker 3: Pennywong will come home empty handed.
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Speaker 5: Australia and the United States, along with Japan and India,
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Speaker 5: also discussed working together to mine, refine, and share critical minerals.
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Speaker 3: The Treasurer is.
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Speaker 5: Facing mounting pressure to dunp Lavor's three million dollars super
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Speaker 5: attax ahead of his roundtable next month. Despite no sign
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Speaker 5: of compromise. Opponents are lodging submissions arguing it will be
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Speaker 5: productivity killer.
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Speaker 3: Geological, it's flawed. Some people are saying it's criminal, it's theft.
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Speaker 5: There's no guarantee the super tax will even be debated
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Speaker 5: as part of the Treasurer's Economic roundtable.
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Speaker 3: Have a mandate.
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Speaker 6: That's our position. I think we've won that argument with
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Speaker 6: the Australian people.
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Speaker 3: I'm very very confident of that.
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Speaker 5: Labour only needs the support of the Greens to secure
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Speaker 5: the passage through the Senate. The government is working on
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Speaker 5: a national plan to boost protection for kids in childcare.
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Speaker 5: Victorian childcare center worker Joshua Brown's arrest prompted urgent calls
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Speaker 5: for action. He's been charged with more than seventy child
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Speaker 5: sex offenses.
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Speaker 7: This is serious and it requires serious action.
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Speaker 5: The potential reforms could include better cross jurisdiction information sharing
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Speaker 5: and near real time updates to working with children, checks
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Speaker 5: where criminal records change.
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Speaker 4: Well also to look at the national framework for childcare
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Speaker 4: to see if we can go even further and act
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Speaker 4: farther faster.
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Speaker 5: The government is drafting to better control funding to childcare
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Speaker 5: centers depending on standards.
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Speaker 2: Good on your rubin, Thank you very much for that.
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Speaker 2: Let's get straight into our panel tonight, joining me Senior
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Speaker 2: reporter Caroline marcusan national affairs editor at the Daily Telegraph,
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Speaker 2: and of course Sky News host and these excellent programs
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Speaker 2: across the network. Welcome to you both. And I want
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Speaker 2: to stick if I can, with what I discussed in
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Speaker 2: that editorial at the beginning of the program. I mentioned
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Speaker 2: this earlier in the week and I've actually written a
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Speaker 2: column about this for The Herald Sun that will go
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Speaker 2: up at the weekend. But this final report from the
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Speaker 2: so called YURUK Commission here in Victoria, James, it's not
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Speaker 2: even been two years since the National Voice vote. Actually,
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Speaker 2: I mean the novaue got up in Victoria. It was
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Speaker 2: I think fifty four point nine percent or something. This
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Speaker 2: was rejected out of hand by Australians, and yet the
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premier acts like she knows best and she's going
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Speaker 2: to establish one anyway.
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Speaker 1: Well, and the fascinating thing about it, Steve, is if
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Speaker 1: you look at the Premier's comments that she made when
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Speaker 1: receiving the report. When announcing the report today, she said,
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Speaker 1: the contents of this report are confronting, and they're confronting
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Speaker 1: because they are true. So that tells me, Steve, that
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Speaker 1: what the Premier and the Victorian government there, the Victorian
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Speaker 1: Labor government, the hardness left government, I think in the
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Speaker 1: entire country, as you accurately describe them. Have decided to
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Speaker 1: accept Holeess Bollis everything in the report. There's one hundred
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Speaker 1: recommendations in here, you know, and they basically include everything
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Speaker 1: from separate educational systems, educational rules, basically, reparations forever, separate
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Speaker 1: representation forever. It's incredibly divisive and it stems out of
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Speaker 1: this whole settler colonist mentality, which is this whole you know,
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Speaker 1: hard left doctrine that Australia is essentially an illegitimate nation.
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Speaker 1: It is making demands of the government that are not
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Speaker 1: They are not the demands of you know, citizens trying
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Speaker 1: to come together on an issue. They are almost like,
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Speaker 1: you know, they've inverted history. They're trying to invert history
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Speaker 1: here and create a whole set of demands on the
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Speaker 1: Australian state, which I think is absolutely untenable. This whole
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Speaker 1: thing should be the entire thing should simply be rejected.
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Speaker 1: The whole process should never have even been undertaken. I
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Speaker 1: think in the first place, it's divisive, it's expensive, it's
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Speaker 1: going to hurt if it is actually implemented, an awful
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Speaker 1: lot of Indigenous Australians because they won't get the same
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Speaker 1: benefits of education and so on that everybody else because
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Speaker 1: the rules will be different for them and they won't
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Speaker 1: have to do things where everybody else does. It's terrible business,
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Speaker 1: it's divisive and it's really depressing. I think that in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, this is where Australia is going, Carol, And.
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Speaker 2: One of the things I mentioned there is, I mean
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Speaker 2: the rest of Australia should take notice of this. I
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Speaker 2: think South Australia has a form of voice already attached
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Speaker 2: to its state parliament, but it doesn't seem to be
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Speaker 2: very effective. We've got labor governments obviously in New South
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Speaker 2: wild so our biggest states, and in wy Goose through
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Speaker 2: in Victoria. Indigenous activists in every other state are going
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Speaker 2: to say, hang on a minute, we want this as well.
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Speaker 3: Surely it will certainly embolden them.
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Speaker 8: But what makes me scratch my head about this is
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Speaker 8: that three out of five people on the commission behind
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Speaker 8: this report did not support the key findings in it
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Speaker 8: being included in that final report. So it just makes
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Speaker 8: me wonder why has this report even gone to the
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Speaker 8: government in the first place. Over there, And as you say,
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Speaker 8: if it goes through, if they pick up all of
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Speaker 8: these recommendations, it's going to just lead to other states
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Speaker 8: and territories eventually falling into line as well. And you know,
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Speaker 8: James made a really good argument about how divisive it is,
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Speaker 8: but I would just pick up further on his point
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Speaker 8: and how dangerous this is too, because some of the recommendations,
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Speaker 8: including that Indigenous children be excluded from attendance requirements at school.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we already know that attendance levels for Indigenous
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Speaker 8: children for well below the rest of the population as
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Speaker 8: it is that it's already on average one day a
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Speaker 8: week almost that Indigenous children don't attend school on average.
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Speaker 8: How is this going to help in closing the gap?
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Speaker 8: Actually making the situation worse for Indigenous people, and then
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Speaker 8: exempting them from school discipline strategies like suspensions and expulsions,
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Speaker 8: I mean, how does that teach any sort of discipline?
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Speaker 8: How does that set out them up for an adult
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Speaker 8: life in which they're expected to be responsible for their actions.
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Speaker 8: So the whole thing stinks and it just sets up
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Speaker 8: further this culture of grievance among the Indigenous, Among Indigenous Australians,
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Speaker 8: we have had enough.
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Speaker 3: Of that, yeah, we have.
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Speaker 2: And James, I meane we took about divisiveness. If you
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Speaker 2: want a divisive argument in this country, start telling the churches,
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Speaker 2: Catholic Church or the Anglican Church that they will be
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Speaker 2: expected under one of the recommendations of this commission to
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Speaker 2: give back Land that the Truth Telling Commission says was
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Speaker 2: taken off the First Nation's people. So they're going to
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Speaker 2: get the state government through legislation, presumably because it'll be
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Speaker 2: attached to the Parliament. Say to the Catholic Church or
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Speaker 2: hang on a minute, that cathedral you've got out there
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Speaker 2: in Hawthorne that used to be First Nations people Land,
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Speaker 2: they want it back or you. And they make the
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Speaker 2: point in here that churches don't pay tax. You have
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Speaker 2: to pay reparation because you stuck your church there. I mean,
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Speaker 2: what sort of divisive country we're going to have if
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Speaker 2: that starts.
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, well, Steve, I mean this is where it
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Speaker 1: gets really cynical and really sinister, because you know that
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Speaker 1: Australia is a fairly atheist country, right. I mean, we
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Speaker 1: know there's a lot of hostility out there, particularly on
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Speaker 1: the left, to organize religion, particularly the Catholic Church, and
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Speaker 1: particularly in Victoria. This is such a divisive and sinister
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Speaker 1: wedge that they're going to run, because there's gonna be
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Speaker 1: a lot of Victorias are going to say yeah, rah
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Speaker 1: rah steaking to the Catholic church, blah blah blah, and
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Speaker 1: it's going to be so divisive. I think if they
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Speaker 1: even start to go down this road, it does have
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Speaker 1: a bit of an allegory in my head to what
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Speaker 1: happened in Canada to their churches, where they were accused
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Speaker 1: of all sorts of crimes against Canadian Indigenous people that
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Speaker 1: didn't exist, but there was a whole series of churches
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Speaker 1: and cathedrals that were burned and all sorts of horrendous
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Speaker 1: things that happened as a result. I fear that we're
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Speaker 1: going down this same path, certainly in Victoria here, and
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Speaker 1: there's going to be an awful lot of voices on
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Speaker 1: the left, a lot of ears on the left. They're
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Speaker 1: going to be receptive to hearing this and firing up
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Speaker 1: because of it.
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Speaker 2: Sadly, we've got to talk about another piece of divisive action.
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Speaker 2: The Australian Cricket Board of decided Caroline for the second
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Speaker 2: time in thirty one years, Cricket Australia will not play
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Speaker 2: a game of cricket on Australia Day. Now Australia Day
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Speaker 2: happens to be a Monday. Next year they're going to
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Speaker 2: play i think on the Sunday and it's big Bash cricket.
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Speaker 2: It's not a Test match, a One day International. They
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Speaker 2: had the excuse last year that it clashed with the
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Speaker 2: men's tennis finals. This year, that is not the case, Caroline.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what is it. We are only just two
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Speaker 2: days into July and we're already having this divisit that
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Speaker 2: played again about Australia Day for god?
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Speaker 8: I mean, you can set your clock to it, can't you. Usually,
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Speaker 8: as we're approaching the summer months, we expect, as people
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Speaker 8: who are in this news business to be talking about
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Speaker 8: this issue. But hey, it's July.
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Speaker 5: It's just turn July.
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Speaker 8: We're talking about it already. I mean last year Cricket
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Speaker 8: Australia could argue and it probably was just a pragmatic
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Speaker 8: decision they didn't want it to clash with the tennis fine,
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Speaker 8: but this year is clearly just a virtue signaling move
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Speaker 8: that they have been working up to for the past
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Speaker 8: four years. Because for the past four years they've cut
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Speaker 8: out the words Australia day out of all their marketing,
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Speaker 8: and they've been moving towards this point for quite some
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Speaker 8: time now. I'm not a big cricket fan. I'm sorry
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Speaker 8: to say pricey, but it does make me wonder how
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Speaker 8: a bunch of blokes and women as well hitting a
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Speaker 8: ball with a bat on one day of a year
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Speaker 8: or not hitting a ball with about it one day
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Speaker 8: of a year, is going to do anything to help
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Speaker 8: the number of Indigenous women who are being abused in
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Speaker 8: domestic relationships. We know they're eight times more likely to
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Speaker 8: be a victim of homicide than than their non Indigenous peers.
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Speaker 8: How it's going to help a single Indigenous child who
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Speaker 8: is suffering from sexual abuse and not going to school.
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Speaker 8: It's not going to close the gap. It's not going
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Speaker 8: to improve the lives of Indigenous people. It is just
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Speaker 8: pure virtue signaling and Australians are sick of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said James in today's Times. It's the fourth
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Speaker 2: of July in your country of birth. Can you imagine
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Speaker 2: America is saying, well, we're not going to play baseball
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Speaker 2: on the fourth of July because the day is somehow illegitimate.
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Speaker 1: We're not going to say the fourth of July because
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Speaker 1: July might be offensive to people named June. I mean,
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Speaker 1: where do you even start with this sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: It is just really shocking to be I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Carolyn makes all the great points about you know, none
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Speaker 1: of this helps in a practical sort of sense. And
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Speaker 1: I get that Australia are practical people. We like to
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Speaker 1: have practical help and see practical assistance and things. But
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Speaker 1: there's a higher sort of level that we also need
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Speaker 1: to talk about this on here, which is that has
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Speaker 1: Australia has the idea of modern Australia, which you know
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Speaker 1: has for much of the last century, and certainly when
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Speaker 1: I got here twenty almost twenty five years ago, was
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Speaker 1: held up as this great beacon of this prosperous democratic
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Speaker 1: experiment on the other side of the world that's worked
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Speaker 1: out pretty well, all things considered, the envy of many
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Speaker 1: many nations around the world, you know, successfully integrating people
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Speaker 1: from around the globe. And now the name Australia, the
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Speaker 1: very word Australia, and the very idea of celebrating that.
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Speaker 1: You've got people out there who think it's such a
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Speaker 1: shameful thing that they think we shouldn't even say it
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Speaker 1: say the word. You know, it's like if we utter
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Speaker 1: the word, oh no, something's gonna happen if you're gonna
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Speaker 1: be offended. And then what about the people pricy at
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Speaker 1: Cricket Australia. You know, what about like Mike Baird and
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Speaker 1: all of these people who run the joint who go
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Speaker 1: out and you know, cowtow to this sort of idiocy
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Speaker 1: because they come from this sort of corporate, urban human
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Speaker 1: resources driven you know, even if they're on the right,
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Speaker 1: they're on the left kind of area of thinking. I
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Speaker 1: guess you could call it, you know, elitism for lack
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Speaker 1: of a better turmb although I don't think there's anything
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Speaker 1: particularly elite about any of these guys that says, oh no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: we have to do everything we can to avoid offending anybody,
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Speaker 1: rather than saying we're a great nation. May I'm so
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Speaker 1: proud of, you know, and let's just have the day.
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Speaker 2: Well, Caroline, you can almost go back to where we
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Speaker 2: started here with you know, the no vote getting up
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Speaker 2: at the Voice referendum. These people who run these organizations
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Speaker 2: just ignore the will of the Australian people. I mean,
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Speaker 2: every time we run a poll on Australia Day or
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Speaker 2: whether we want to keep the flag. Overwhelmingly people say yes,
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Speaker 2: I want Australiada to be on the twenty sixth of
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Speaker 2: January and I want to keep the flag. And then
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Speaker 2: all these people go, well, we don't care what you think.
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Speaker 5: I know it is a.
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Speaker 8: Big slap in the face to Australians. And we've seen
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Speaker 8: other companies like Woolworths when they stopped stocking Australia Day merchandise.
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Speaker 8: What a huge backlash that produced and then the company
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Speaker 8: had to sort of backtrack on that. So I have
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Speaker 8: no doubt it will be a similar situation for cricket Australia.
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Speaker 8: I mean the Telegraph poll. It's not a referendum, but
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Speaker 8: ninety seven percent of people, ninety eight percent of people
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Speaker 8: when I last checked it had voted that they wanted
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Speaker 8: cricket to be played on Australia Day. I think that's
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Speaker 8: pretty telling where mainstream Australia is on this issue, and
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Speaker 8: it is certainly not with a corporate hot shots who
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Speaker 8: are on huge salaries, who think they can fix, you know,
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Speaker 8: indigenous grievance in this country by not playing sport on
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Speaker 8: a certain day.
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Speaker 2: James just quickly it's a gift that keeps on giving
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Speaker 2: for you. President Trump now says he might deport Elon Musk,
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Speaker 2: and this is when he's down visiting the Alligator alcatraz.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you can't.
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Speaker 2: You could not make this stuff up if you're trying
20:36
Speaker 2: to write a movie about it.
20:37
Speaker 3: People that say you're.
20:38
Speaker 1: Insane, well it's it's you know, it's It makes a
20:43
Speaker 1: lot of great headline, it's a lot of fun to
20:45
Speaker 1: talking about it. But there's some serious stuff going on
20:46
Speaker 1: here behind the scenes. You know, Elon Musk here has
20:49
Speaker 1: decided to play politics in a funny way because he's
20:53
Speaker 1: a business guy, not a politician. Trump made the leap,
20:55
Speaker 1: I think Musk hasn't, and that's where he's kind of
20:58
Speaker 1: fallen over here. You know, Trump has a great sense
21:00
Speaker 1: of humor. Musk really doesn't, and that's where he's fallen
21:02
Speaker 1: over In all of this, Musk is now threatening to
21:05
Speaker 1: start his own political party because he doesn't like the
21:07
Speaker 1: big spending bill that just got pasted. And granted, there's
21:10
Speaker 1: a lot not to like in it. So now, of course, Trump,
21:13
Speaker 1: in is inimitable way, says, well, you know, we might
21:15
Speaker 1: look at Elon Musk. You know, shouldn't be illegally. Maybe
21:18
Speaker 1: we'll send it back to South Africa, maybe on one
21:20
Speaker 1: of his rocket. It's a big, beautiful rocket. Who knows, Stevie.
21:22
Speaker 1: But that's you know, that's the greatest show on Earth.
21:26
Speaker 1: But we've also got you know, let's remember here, we've
21:29
Speaker 1: got a president who is pressing every buttet and pulling
21:32
Speaker 1: every lever and even if people don't like it, he
21:34
Speaker 1: is running this office. And it's great to see a
21:38
Speaker 1: president unlike who we had Joe Biden in the chair
21:40
Speaker 1: and we don't know who was running the show.
21:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's actually running the world. James Carolina, was a
21:46
Speaker 2: pleasure to catch up with you too, geniuses. Thank you
21:48
Speaker 2: very much. I'll talk to you shortly now. Moving on
21:51
Speaker 2: to the growing delight he's facing Australia's I mean, we've
21:54
Speaker 2: got so many topics tonight that are ridiculous. Australia's energy
21:57
Speaker 2: energy roll at a key four billion dollar transmission project,
22:01
Speaker 2: and I've written about this before. It's going to connect
22:03
Speaker 2: Victoria in New South Wales. It's called the VNI West Interconnector.
22:07
Speaker 2: It's needed because of all this green energy we're going
22:10
Speaker 2: to produce can't be pumped into the current transmission systems,
22:14
Speaker 2: so they have to build a new one. It's now
22:16
Speaker 2: been pushed back two years, not due until late twenty thirty.
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Speaker 3: Well, what do you think that's.
22:21
Speaker 2: Going to do to the Albanezy government's pledged to double
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Speaker 2: renewables in the grid by the end of the decade.
22:26
Speaker 2: I mean, farmers don't want it. I've interviewed them over
22:28
Speaker 2: and over again. They're locking their gates that I want
22:30
Speaker 2: these transmission towers on their property. You've got a lack
22:33
Speaker 2: of community buy in. The whole thing's running off the track.
22:37
Speaker 2: Of course, it follows news now that Australia's largest hydrogen
22:40
Speaker 2: project at Gladston and Queensland has just been canned. Joining
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Speaker 2: me to discuss this is the associated of the Australian
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Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd Graham. Welcome on to V and I West. First,
22:51
Speaker 2: this is a crucial piece of infrastructure to have any
22:56
Speaker 2: of what Chris Bowen and Anthony Albeniz you want to
22:58
Speaker 2: do work connecting the two biggest states in the country.
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Speaker 6: That's write Steve good evening. Well, it's a project that
23:07
Speaker 6: is vital to connect Victoria to New South Wales so
23:11
Speaker 6: that when Victoria closes down it's coal fired power. It
23:15
Speaker 6: can bring supplies in from New South Wales when the
23:18
Speaker 6: wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine without it,
23:21
Speaker 6: they're in a real fix. But it should be no
23:25
Speaker 6: surprise to anybody. We've seen the delays in all large
23:29
Speaker 6: infrastructure projects that are undertaken as part of this energy transition.
23:33
Speaker 6: Think of Snowy Hydro two point zero, and all the
23:37
Speaker 6: interconnectors are facing the same challenge. Neighborhoods don't want them.
23:42
Speaker 6: There's no clear negotiating path to find out the routes
23:46
Speaker 6: that they will travel, and that's before you come to
23:49
Speaker 6: the cost of putting them in places. The cost of
23:52
Speaker 6: all the materials goes through the roof. So it's another
23:55
Speaker 6: reminder that it's a lot easier to put these things
23:58
Speaker 6: down on paper than it is actually produce them in reality.
24:04
Speaker 2: Well v and Ize, you know, it's revealed a couple
24:07
Speaker 2: of maps, and I think they've settled on a one route,
24:10
Speaker 2: but it's been plowed through things like state forests and
24:13
Speaker 2: national parks. So the greenies are all up in arms
24:16
Speaker 2: and saying we don't want it, the farmers don't want it.
24:19
Speaker 2: There's going to be a standoff, and all the time,
24:22
Speaker 2: these deadlines for net zero keep coming and coming and coming.
24:27
Speaker 2: And you even saw, of course Chris Bowen this week
24:29
Speaker 2: have to admit and put his hand up that he
24:31
Speaker 2: needs to now have an inquiry of all things into
24:34
Speaker 2: gas supplies because he's now admitted that, yeah, we're going
24:38
Speaker 2: to run out of gas, and so he wants a
24:39
Speaker 2: reservation policy which was a policy of the coalition government
24:42
Speaker 2: during the election that he laughed at.
24:46
Speaker 6: That chin of what we're saying is the only sure
24:49
Speaker 6: thing that works is closing stuff down. So the coal
24:53
Speaker 6: generation is on track to exit the system because it's
24:56
Speaker 6: been run down over many years. But the stuff that
25:00
Speaker 6: supposed to replace it just isn't coming on board. And
25:03
Speaker 6: you'd have to say that the two year delay for
25:06
Speaker 6: this transmission project is probably optimistic. And then we have
25:11
Speaker 6: to get to the cost at the end of the
25:13
Speaker 6: day and how that is going to be recovered by
25:15
Speaker 6: people who are forced to use it. So there's a
25:18
Speaker 6: big mess across the whole planning sphere when it comes
25:22
Speaker 6: to linking up these renewable energy zones and actually enabling
25:27
Speaker 6: them to put electricity into the market.
25:31
Speaker 2: Every day we wake up, Graham, another project's been canceled
25:34
Speaker 2: or delayed. You've now got this outfit, Blue Float Energy.
25:37
Speaker 2: I think they're a Spanish company. They were had their
25:40
Speaker 2: hand up to build offshore wind off the Gippsland coast
25:45
Speaker 2: and they've just said, well, we consider its future in
25:48
Speaker 2: Australia is not very good, so we're out of here.
25:52
Speaker 2: So there's another one of the wind farm projects and
25:55
Speaker 2: this is a mob who had got into trouble for
25:57
Speaker 2: people on the South Coast and New South Wales didn't
25:59
Speaker 2: want to have anything to do with this thing.
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Speaker 3: That's going to fall.
26:02
Speaker 2: Over as well unless someone else is prepared to take
26:04
Speaker 2: the risk.
26:07
Speaker 3: Tried.
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Speaker 6: The biggest story here, Steve is offshore wind was never
26:10
Speaker 6: economically viable. We're seeing it all around the world where
26:14
Speaker 6: they've been built. They haven't performed to expectations and the
26:18
Speaker 6: costs have been more than expected. They've turned to governments
26:21
Speaker 6: to be bailed out. They're having a look now at
26:25
Speaker 6: the Australian system and they're finding that the political leverage
26:30
Speaker 6: is maybe not there, the business case certainly isn't there,
26:35
Speaker 6: and all the ancillary needs they have in terms of
26:38
Speaker 6: ports and heavy engineering and workforce doesn't exist either. So
26:43
Speaker 6: they're going to cut their losses and they're probably in
26:46
Speaker 6: trouble way more than simply Australia.
26:52
Speaker 3: What's going to happen?
26:53
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been writing about this for years, warning
26:55
Speaker 2: us that it was not going to be as easy
26:56
Speaker 2: as everyone said.
26:58
Speaker 3: Where do we go now?
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Speaker 6: Well, it's a desperate situation, and Stephen, I must say
27:04
Speaker 6: I have been looking at it for a long period
27:05
Speaker 6: of time and I've made myself certainly unpopular in some
27:08
Speaker 6: places for saying this really has got a lot of problems,
27:15
Speaker 6: and I think where we go from here there has
27:17
Speaker 6: to be something to backstop the system. Now you can say,
27:22
Speaker 6: build new coal plants with high efficiency and compromise on emissions,
27:29
Speaker 6: or you can say, let's bring in a lot more
27:31
Speaker 6: gas to backstop the system when the other things are
27:35
Speaker 6: not working. But we're only a short way down the
27:38
Speaker 6: pipeline in terms of building out renewables, and the headaches
27:42
Speaker 6: are a lot bigger than people anticipated.
27:46
Speaker 2: Absolutely growing great to catch up, Thank you very much.
27:48
Speaker 2: New coming up after the break. It much actually come
27:51
Speaker 2: out of Pennywong's talks in Washington. She was there with
27:54
Speaker 2: Marco Rubio today. Plus Israel has reportedly agreed to a
27:58
Speaker 2: sixty day ceasepire in Gara the Israeli Prime Minister. Net
28:01
Speaker 2: and Yahoo will be in Washington next week.
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Speaker 3: That's up next.
28:09
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Steve Price in for Peter Credlin. This
28:11
Speaker 2: week there's a new report out a revealed just how
28:14
Speaker 2: difficult it is, and anyone watching Usho's try to run
28:16
Speaker 2: a small business will know exactly what I'm talking about.
28:19
Speaker 2: How hard it is in Australia. Red tape, green tape, taxes, levies,
28:23
Speaker 2: it's just almost impossible. But first Foreign Minister Penny Wong,
28:28
Speaker 2: we've seen pictures of her today. She was all smiles
28:31
Speaker 2: with former Ambassador Kevin Rudd yesterday and then she was
28:34
Speaker 2: with Marco Rubio at a meeting of the Foreign Minister's
28:37
Speaker 2: Quad meeting in Washington today. Much of the media's attention
28:41
Speaker 2: was on her, though over the state of whether we
28:45
Speaker 2: can get a meeting with Donald Trump. Foreign Editor The
28:48
Speaker 2: Australian Greg Sheridan joins us, Greg welcome. How important is
28:52
Speaker 2: the Quad?
28:53
Speaker 3: First? Just explain that to.
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Speaker 9: Us, Steve, great to be with you. Look, the Quad
28:59
Speaker 9: is important. It's a grouping of the US, Japan, India
29:03
Speaker 9: and Australia, but it has not lived up to anything
29:06
Speaker 9: like its potential. Marco Rubio today was or yesterday, whenever
29:09
Speaker 9: it was, was very impatiently saying I want the Quad
29:13
Speaker 9: to move on from talk and to actually do something,
29:16
Speaker 9: and most of our initiatives with America they don't actually
29:21
Speaker 9: nothing actually happens, and nothing really has happened under the Quad.
29:25
Speaker 9: There were one or two joint military exercises and that's
29:29
Speaker 9: been useful, but very very little has happened under the Quad. Nonetheless,
29:33
Speaker 9: it's very good for Australia to be I mean, Albanezi
29:37
Speaker 9: can't get a meeting with Trump. I don't think one
29:39
Speaker 9: would be able to get a meeting with Rubio if
29:41
Speaker 9: she wasn't going to something like the Quad.
29:43
Speaker 2: How badly is the relationship now between Australia and the US.
29:47
Speaker 3: I mean, you've been very strong on it. It's getting worse,
29:51
Speaker 3: not better.
29:52
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a very shabby state of the relationship now.
29:55
Speaker 9: The alliance is in the US interest as well as ours,
29:58
Speaker 9: so I don't think they're going to cut us a
29:59
Speaker 9: drift altogether. But I think Joe Hockey got it absolutely
30:03
Speaker 9: right the other day when he said we've moved from
30:05
Speaker 9: being a first tier alliance partner to a third tier
30:08
Speaker 9: alliance partner. So Trump has been elected for eight months
30:11
Speaker 9: and Albanesi hasn't seen him. Albanese was stupid not to
30:14
Speaker 9: go there before the inauguration. And because everything with Trump
30:19
Speaker 9: is a personal relationship, you can be sure that the
30:22
Speaker 9: Americans know just what they're doing in the way they're
30:24
Speaker 9: snubbing Albanesi, and Albanesi has nothing of interest to say
30:29
Speaker 9: to them. We've got an anemic, hopeless, really pitiful defense budget.
30:33
Speaker 9: We've got an economy that's going backwards, negative productivity, negative
30:38
Speaker 9: per capita living standards growth. We've got the smallest manufacturing
30:43
Speaker 9: sector in the OECD, the least complex economy, and Alberzi
30:48
Speaker 9: is a man from the left who channels every bit
30:53
Speaker 9: of politics that Trump hates. So there's no positive agenda there.
30:57
Speaker 2: I had a discussion on The Ball Show last week
30:59
Speaker 2: with General Jack keen, Form, head of the US Defense Forces,
31:03
Speaker 2: very strong views. He I asked him about Australia and
31:06
Speaker 2: the budget and what we're spending. He said, you've got
31:08
Speaker 2: to as a country have a serious debate and discussion
31:11
Speaker 2: about spending more, getting more staff and doing it quickly.
31:15
Speaker 9: Well, of course, of course, it's just a joke. Every
31:18
Speaker 9: European NATO partner has agreed to spend three and a
31:21
Speaker 9: half percent of their GDP on defense. We spend just
31:24
Speaker 9: over two percent. It was two percent when Alberzi first
31:26
Speaker 9: came into office. It's still two percent. They tell us
31:29
Speaker 9: we're facing the most dangerous strategic circumstances since World War Two.
31:33
Speaker 9: Now the Americans won't cut us adrift simply because our
31:38
Speaker 9: geography is very useful to them. But we are contributing
31:41
Speaker 9: nothing to the Alliance. They contribute everything to the Alliance.
31:46
Speaker 9: We contribute nothing.
31:47
Speaker 3: To the Alliance.
31:48
Speaker 2: When you have someone in the White House a Republicans saying,
31:50
Speaker 2: if this aucust thing means that we build a sub
31:53
Speaker 2: that goes there and we don't have it, then I
31:56
Speaker 2: don't like it.
31:57
Speaker 3: Well, that's right.
31:57
Speaker 9: So we're trying to pay them a bit of bride money,
32:00
Speaker 9: to pay them three.
32:01
Speaker 3: Billion, undred million already we.
32:04
Speaker 9: Can a made hundred million. We're going to give them
32:05
Speaker 9: five billion Australian three billion US over several years. And
32:09
Speaker 9: this is designed to get them keeping talking nice to us.
32:13
Speaker 9: That's allegedly to enhance their industrial capacity so they'll build
32:17
Speaker 9: subs more quickly. But the agreement says not until twenty
32:21
Speaker 9: thirty one does a president have to decide whether he
32:23
Speaker 9: actually sells.
32:24
Speaker 3: One to us.
32:25
Speaker 9: Now he may or may not. Whoever is a president,
32:27
Speaker 9: then he or she may or may not decide to
32:30
Speaker 9: sell one to us. But they are infinitely less likely
32:33
Speaker 9: to sell one to us if we are making zero
32:36
Speaker 9: effort on the rest of our defense force.
32:39
Speaker 3: And so these two things go hand in hand.
32:41
Speaker 9: Absolutely, if we are absolutely lacking credibility on defense. And
32:45
Speaker 9: now Albanese won't say boo about China ever, and you
32:48
Speaker 9: will never disagree with China publicly. He has gone into
32:51
Speaker 9: a sort of a monastic silence on anything bad that
32:55
Speaker 9: China does. So if we won't make an effort on defense,
32:59
Speaker 9: have a feeble ACoM me and won't even say anything
33:03
Speaker 9: about our greatest strategic competitor, why would they take a
33:06
Speaker 9: submarine out of their order of battle? So they won't
33:10
Speaker 9: say no. Then they'll say, well, we can't do it now,
33:12
Speaker 9: we might be able to do it in six or
33:14
Speaker 9: seven years, or why don't you just go ahead and
33:16
Speaker 9: build the orcest subs with the Brits or something. But
33:18
Speaker 9: in reality we'll end up with nothing, just like we
33:22
Speaker 9: were in World War two. You know, World War One,
33:23
Speaker 9: we had subs in World War two, we didn't.
33:25
Speaker 2: I just want to ask you about this peace agreement
33:28
Speaker 2: between Israel and Gaza. Donald Trump will meet Nityahu. I
33:33
Speaker 2: think on Monday our time. Sixty day ceasefire. What's the
33:38
Speaker 2: importance of the sixty day limit?
33:41
Speaker 9: Look, it's a bit hard to follow here, Steve and
33:43
Speaker 9: no one sorry, So again.
33:46
Speaker 3: Will the Israelis abide by that?
33:48
Speaker 9: Well, I'll abide by anything they sign up to. But look,
33:53
Speaker 9: I'm just full of simbathe and support for Israel striking
33:57
Speaker 9: back after the Hamas terror atrocities. But you're getting the
34:01
Speaker 9: point now. There's probably nineteen or twenty Israeli civilian hostages
34:06
Speaker 9: still alive, and it's quite right, absolutely right, that Israel
34:10
Speaker 9: prioritize them. But you're getting the point now where Israel
34:14
Speaker 9: has to tell us what it plans for Gaza and
34:19
Speaker 9: what it's doing going forward. If there's a cease fire,
34:23
Speaker 9: what happens after the sixty days? Does Israel resume bombing
34:28
Speaker 9: and so forth until they get their hostages back? It's
34:31
Speaker 9: a you know, the villain here is humm Us, no doubt,
34:34
Speaker 9: absolutely the villain. This could all finish tomorrow if Hummas
34:38
Speaker 9: released the hostages and laid down its arms. It wouldn't
34:41
Speaker 9: even have to surrender or anything. You just have to
34:43
Speaker 9: say we're not going to try and kill you anymore.
34:45
Speaker 9: And then the conflicts of it. But then we have
34:47
Speaker 9: this huge question who governs Gaza after that? And you know,
34:53
Speaker 9: the Israelis have not told us what their intention is.
34:56
Speaker 9: They might say it's going to be a negotiation. They
35:00
Speaker 9: do have a moral responsibility in the end for the
35:03
Speaker 9: welfare of the people of Gaza. If they are, if
35:07
Speaker 9: they are the responsible power, well we'll.
35:09
Speaker 3: Wait and see you. Thank you Greg for coming. Appreciate
35:10
Speaker 3: it very much.
35:11
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break the brutal toll in the
35:14
Speaker 2: last year on Australia's small businesses. I mentioned it just before.
35:17
Speaker 2: It's been revealed and the whole thing is not pretty.
35:20
Speaker 2: Plus reports there is time to build a new home
35:24
Speaker 2: in Australia has blown out by fifty percent over the
35:27
Speaker 2: last decade.
35:28
Speaker 3: That'll surprise no one. That's coming up.
35:30
Speaker 2: Next, Welcome back to Steve pros In for Peter and
35:38
Speaker 2: that great segment with kel Richard's Words of the Week
35:40
Speaker 2: coming up shortly, but I want to talk about small business.
35:43
Speaker 2: The devastating blow for small businesses figures out today reveal
35:46
Speaker 2: that in the last twelve months it has been the
35:49
Speaker 2: worst on record for companies unable to pay their debts,
35:52
Speaker 2: with a record ten four hundred businesses collapsing.
35:55
Speaker 3: You read about one every day.
35:57
Speaker 2: Joining us now to look at this and other commentator
36:01
Speaker 2: and athlete Jamie Rodgers and One Nation chief of staff
36:04
Speaker 2: James Ashby. Guy's welcome. I appreciate you both being with us. James,
36:09
Speaker 2: day doesn't go past where you don't see a business
36:12
Speaker 2: fall over. I mean, you know, hospitality has been particularly
36:15
Speaker 2: hard hit, construction probably the hardest because of the rise
36:18
Speaker 2: in cost of materials. But we keep hearing from Jim Chalmers,
36:23
Speaker 2: the Treasurer, that everything's great, inflation's going down, we're going
36:27
Speaker 2: to get another interest rate cut, and the economy couldn't
36:31
Speaker 2: be better, although I know tens and tens and tens
36:34
Speaker 2: of people who were sitting out on the street without
36:36
Speaker 2: a job.
36:39
Speaker 7: Yeah.
36:39
Speaker 10: A lot of this has to do with the fact
36:40
Speaker 10: that when the Albanezy government came to power three years ago,
36:44
Speaker 10: they gave explicit instructions to the ATO to go hard
36:48
Speaker 10: after those businesses that.
36:49
Speaker 7: Had any outstanding debt.
36:51
Speaker 10: And who were they, Well, they were the businesses that
36:53
Speaker 10: were hit hardest, and that was the hospitality industry and
36:57
Speaker 10: secondly construction because costs went up, as you rightfully pointed out,
37:01
Speaker 10: but the hospitality industry was closed for such a long time,
37:04
Speaker 10: which gave them an inability to actually pay down any
37:07
Speaker 10: of those ato debts. And I might just say this,
37:10
Speaker 10: Tore Steve. The reality of it is, you know, yes,
37:14
Speaker 10: while businesses and Australians might ow one hundred and five
37:18
Speaker 10: billion dollars to the tax office, student loans exceed eighty
37:22
Speaker 10: billion dollars and they're.
37:24
Speaker 7: Not going hard after students to try and recoup that.
37:26
Speaker 10: They're going hard after businesses because labor don't understand small business.
37:31
Speaker 10: And as a result of some of those builders, in
37:33
Speaker 10: particular from going bust, what happens is here in Queensland,
37:38
Speaker 10: and I assume it's the same across the rest of
37:40
Speaker 10: the country. They lose their builder's license and what are
37:43
Speaker 10: we in desperate need of right now?
37:45
Speaker 7: Builders and construction.
37:46
Speaker 10: So it's this domino effect that this labor government have caused,
37:50
Speaker 10: hence the trouble we're in today. And I feel particularly
37:54
Speaker 10: very sad and for a lot of these businesses that
37:56
Speaker 10: are out there, I wouldn't go back into business. I
37:58
Speaker 10: came from small business. I understand and the pains and
38:00
Speaker 10: the pressures of it. And ultimately this is a labor
38:04
Speaker 10: government responsibility for the collapse of so many Australian small,
38:08
Speaker 10: mum and dad businesses.
38:11
Speaker 2: Jamie, that we keep seeing these figures about inflation coming down,
38:14
Speaker 2: and you know, I feel very sorry for cafe operators,
38:17
Speaker 2: people who are trying to run a small business. You know,
38:20
Speaker 2: they might have five or six people working there, a
38:22
Speaker 2: couple of people behind the coffee machine. We're now paying
38:24
Speaker 2: ten dollars for two coffees, and a lot of that
38:27
Speaker 2: is driven by the fact that wages and over time
38:31
Speaker 2: have gone through the roof and so to keep their
38:33
Speaker 2: business alive, they've got to charge us the consumer more money.
38:37
Speaker 2: But somehow people are telling us things are getting cheaper.
38:40
Speaker 2: These two things don't add up, do they.
38:42
Speaker 11: No, Steve, It's so sad to see going into the
38:45
Speaker 11: last federal election, we were just hearing time and time
38:48
Speaker 11: again about businesses, small businesses really struggling and feeling terrible
38:52
Speaker 11: about having to pass on these costs to the consumer.
38:56
Speaker 11: We saw fourteen thousand businesses go insolvent in this past
38:59
Speaker 11: five financial year, which is up twenty six point eight
39:02
Speaker 11: percent from FY twenty four and it's just devastating when
39:05
Speaker 11: you see the sheer volume. New South Wales had the
39:08
Speaker 11: largest amount. And as James just mentioned, it's the cafes
39:11
Speaker 11: that are going under in the hospitality sector, but also
39:14
Speaker 11: in construction. And when you look at it, it's the
39:17
Speaker 11: high rents, insurance, interest wages, electricity, gas, weaker consumer demand
39:24
Speaker 11: is just all of these costs are continuously going up
39:27
Speaker 11: and up and up, and businesses just can't do it anymore.
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Speaker 11: And as James also mentioned about the ATO coming after
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Speaker 11: that one hundred and five billion dollars in the company
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Speaker 11: tax debt, and that's now adding more so to the
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Speaker 11: pressure for these businesses not able to keep their doors open.
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Speaker 3: Jamie.
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Speaker 2: We learned today the University of Pennsylvania is going to
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Speaker 2: revoke the records set by a transgender swimmer, Leah Thomas,
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Speaker 2: and formally apologize to those women who lee a competed against.
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Speaker 2: It follows a ruling, of course from US swimming authorities
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Speaker 2: that only biological women and can now set female records.
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Speaker 2: You've been a very very fine competitive swimmer. What's your
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Speaker 2: thoughts on all of this?
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Speaker 11: Well, Steve I think it's fantastic, and whether you love
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Speaker 11: him or hate him, we have Donald Trump to thank
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Speaker 11: for this outcome. He signs that executive order earlier in
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Speaker 11: this year that stated only biological women, so those born
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Speaker 11: a female can compete in female sport. Now, I think
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Speaker 11: that Leah Thomas was the one that really threw the
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Speaker 11: spotlight on the issue of transgender athletes competing with women.
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Speaker 11: Leah was in the men's team and was a really
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Speaker 11: average male swimmer at that and then after transitioning, came
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Speaker 11: in in twenty nineteen and just dominated, broke all of
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Speaker 11: the records, and it just shows and highlights how a
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Speaker 11: biological female just cannot compete against a biological male. And
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Speaker 11: we did see three of those swimmers from the U
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Speaker 11: Penn University have gone on to sue the university for
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Speaker 11: not being able to provide a fair and equal competitive invite.
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Speaker 11: I must say, as part of all of this, I
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Speaker 11: do like that the university have said that they'll start
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Speaker 11: using biological terms like male and female. It's just simple
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Speaker 11: words that today in society seem to be so demonized.
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Speaker 11: So I like to see that some common sense is
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Speaker 11: coming back. But this is a really big Windsday for
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Speaker 11: women's sport and just ensuring that integrity is maintained and
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Speaker 11: that the fairness and a level playing field is upheld.
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Speaker 11: And I hope to see that we have this here
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Speaker 11: in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that, James, I mean you wouldn't you
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Speaker 2: wouldn't bet your house on the fact that any Australian
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Speaker 2: university might go down that same track. I mean they
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Speaker 2: seem to be going the other direction.
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Speaker 7: No, not here in Australia, not yet.
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Speaker 10: Anyway, I hold hope that Bill Shorten, if he's watching,
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Speaker 10: could be the first chancellor to actually say right, we're
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Speaker 10: going to rule it out of Camber University. I'll hold
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Speaker 10: my I won't hold my breath though. Look, men in
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Speaker 10: women's sport just shouldn't be there. That's the truth to
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Speaker 10: the matter. And you know in the ki Leah Thomas,
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Speaker 10: well she still had a rudder. None of the other
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Speaker 10: competitors had their rudders because they are true women and
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Speaker 10: we don't want men, whether it be swimming or boxing.
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Speaker 7: We're seeing this.
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Speaker 10: Get much outrage across the globe in one nation for sure.
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Speaker 10: Want to see those feminists stand up and say we
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Speaker 10: only want women in women's sport, join us, we'd happily
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Speaker 10: welcome you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Jamie put that extremely Well there, James,
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Speaker 2: what I got you. The CFMU, we know they're under
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Speaker 2: a federal corruption investigation, but they've given out of these
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Speaker 2: golden handshakes with hundreds of thousands of dollars to people
42:36
Speaker 2: like John Setka. Well, a woman who was a member
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Speaker 2: of the CFMEU elaked telephone conversation has come out and
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Speaker 2: she is so cranky. She said when these laws were
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Speaker 2: brought in for the CFMU and Sally McManus, she went
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Speaker 2: on TV and said, these laws can only be used
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Speaker 2: to get rid of bikes and remove criminals people have
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Speaker 2: done highly illegal activity. Well that's not quite what's happened here.
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Speaker 2: This poor woman has been thrown out of the CFM.
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Speaker 2: You and she's none of those things.
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Speaker 10: And I think that you know, they've got about three
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Speaker 10: hundred million dollars in their slush fund. A lot of
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Speaker 10: that's been used to get outcomes with political favor over time,
43:17
Speaker 10: but you know a lot of that money is going
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Speaker 10: to be used for golden handshakes with a lot of
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Speaker 10: the CFMU officials, some of which are still facing the
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Speaker 10: potential of criminal charges as investigations continue.
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Speaker 7: If I was a member, I'd be deeply concerned.
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Speaker 10: A lot of hard working, blue collar workers out there
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Speaker 10: have parted with a lot of money over the years
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Speaker 10: to get proper representation. I don't think that included backhand
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Speaker 10: deals to bikeys and other criminal activities behind the scenes,
43:43
Speaker 10: but you know, and not to mention, the CFMUU have
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Speaker 10: driven prices, particularly in Victoria, of construction up as much
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Speaker 10: as thirty percent. They've been behind some terrible things that
43:54
Speaker 10: have happened in this country, and I just hope for
43:57
Speaker 10: their members it's sorted out soon.
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Speaker 7: No more golden handshakes. That should be the last thing
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Speaker 7: they receive.
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Speaker 10: I just hope that workers get proper representation moving forward.
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Speaker 10: It won't likely be with the CFMAU, but you know,
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Speaker 10: a lot of that money that's left over after those
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Speaker 10: golden handshakes should be returned to the members.
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Speaker 2: Jamie, good to meet you, James, good to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Thank you both very much. I'll see you on the
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Speaker 2: program next week. Now coming up after the break, it's
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Speaker 2: the week in Words with our favorite man Kill Richards.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: What Peter might be a way, but I'm pleased to say.
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Speaker 2: And every time I fill in for Peter, I get
44:34
Speaker 2: to do this on a Wednesday night regular wordsmith and
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Speaker 2: male mate broadcaster to Kel Richards Kell. Great to see
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Speaker 2: you again, and boy, we've got some treats in line
44:43
Speaker 2: for people tonight. The first one's very serious. So we've
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Speaker 2: got this bomb cyclone, as it's called, off the coast
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Speaker 2: of New South Wales, major damage today. Where does that
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Speaker 2: term actually come from?
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Speaker 12: Well, the cyclone part was coined by an English sea
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Speaker 12: captain i'm like, named Henry Pittington back in eighteen forty two,
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Speaker 12: for those really intense tropical winds that swing around in
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Speaker 12: a circle. And he took the name from an ancient
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Speaker 12: Greek word meaning a coiled serpent, which pretty much describes him.
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Speaker 3: I guess.
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Speaker 12: Then in nineteen forty eight, American meteorologists decided that wasn't
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Speaker 12: a strong enough term, and they added an adjective, and
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Speaker 12: they came up with bomb cyclone because they liked I
45:24
Speaker 12: don't know whether they were being a bit hysterical or
45:26
Speaker 12: they just liked the melodrama. And in fact when they
45:29
Speaker 12: did that, they added it to a lot of other things.
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Speaker 12: They talk about rain bombs in America and snow bombs
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Speaker 12: and that kind of thing. It basically means something developing
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Speaker 12: very fast with explosive speed, where the barometric pressure in
45:42
Speaker 12: the center of the system drops really rapidly in twenty
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Speaker 12: four hours. That makes it a bomb cyclone.
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Speaker 2: We saw the US President Donald Trump drop the F
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Speaker 2: word last week, and we've had the Victorian Premier Jacinda
45:57
Speaker 2: Allen talking about bull dust of cleaned that up. Polly
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Speaker 2: would like to know why people say pardon my French
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Speaker 2: when they actually go out and swear yes.
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Speaker 12: Well, Steven goes back to the Napoleonic Wars and a
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Speaker 12: long period when there was a lot of hostility between
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Speaker 12: the English and the French. So what the English did
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Speaker 12: was they coined a lot of expressions that were very
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Speaker 12: rude about the French. They talked about things like they
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Speaker 12: called syphalis the French disease, they called condom's French letters,
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Speaker 12: they called going on leave with their permission French leave,
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Speaker 12: and they said bad language. Was obviously speaking French because
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Speaker 12: that's the sort of thing those dreadful French people do.
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Speaker 12: So it was the English being really rude about the French.
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Speaker 12: Early eighteen hundreds, after the Napoleonic wars.
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Speaker 3: A lot of.
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Speaker 2: French connection here tonight. As you know, I've been around
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Speaker 2: journalism a long time. The word cop is one in
46:54
Speaker 2: rite when I'm writing. I tend to avoid because I
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Speaker 2: think you're going to tell me. But it seems like
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Speaker 2: a slang word, and I think it's almost disrespectful to
47:04
Speaker 2: call a police officer a cop. And Alan wants to
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Speaker 2: know what's the origin of the term cop and is
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Speaker 2: it a derogatory term? As I just mentioned, he often
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Speaker 2: hears police officers referring to each other as cops.
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Speaker 12: Look, let me take a weight off your mind, Steve.
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Speaker 12: In fact, it is not a derogatory term. It was
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Speaker 12: coined very early in the eighteen hundreds, and it comes
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Speaker 12: from an old verb, the verb to cop and to
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Speaker 12: cop meant to catch or to capture. And in fact,
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Speaker 12: the experts of the Oxford they speculate that the word
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Speaker 12: cop is a variation on the first syllable of the
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Speaker 12: word capture, CP becoming cop. So it was the right
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Speaker 12: verb for what they do. They were thief takers, so
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Speaker 12: they copped court captured the thieves. It's a perfectly legitimate word, Steve.
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Speaker 12: You should feel fine about using it.
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Speaker 2: I'll slip it into a column the next time I
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Speaker 2: write one. Kel Gab is the word John wants to
47:57
Speaker 2: know where that comes from the word gab comes from?
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Speaker 12: What?
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Speaker 2: Citing examples of a gab, fist, gift of the gab,
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Speaker 2: where's that from?
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Speaker 12: From the seventeen hundreds, the word gab has been used
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Speaker 12: to mean talk, often foolish, extravagant sort of talk, that
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Speaker 12: kind of thing, thet and so a gab fest is
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Speaker 12: a meeting where there's lots of talk, and the gift
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Speaker 12: of the gab is the ability to speak fluently and persuasively.
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Speaker 12: The problem is the experts tell me they can't work
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Speaker 12: out where it came from. There's one theory that it
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Speaker 12: comes from an old French word, and there's a competing
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Speaker 12: group of scholars to say, no, no, no, no, it
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Speaker 12: comes from an even older Germanic word. So until the
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Speaker 12: scholars have settled that, we have to say it's meant
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Speaker 12: talk since the seventeen hundreds, but before that we just
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Speaker 12: don't know.
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Speaker 2: Good on your col Great to catch up with you,
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Speaker 2: my friend. I'll see you again soon coming after me.
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Speaker 2: James McPherson is filling in tonight for Andrew Bolt, who
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Speaker 2: is also on leave. I'll see it tomorrow night at
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Speaker 2: the same time