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The O-Zone Podcast | James Gladstone on "The Trade" & Building the Jags' 2025 Draft Class · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome into this week's ozone podcast. And I'm
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Speaker 1: excited about this guest, and I think all Jaguars fans
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Speaker 1: will be excited about this guest. We've gotten to know
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Speaker 1: him a little bit over the gosh two months that
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Speaker 1: he's been here. But a huge weekend, as coach Liam
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Speaker 1: Cohen called it, his super Bowl last weekend. Jaguars general
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Speaker 1: manager James Gladstone, thanks for.
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Speaker 2: Doing this, James, I appreciate you guys having me on.
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Speaker 2: This will be a blast.
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Speaker 1: I have a litany of questions, but the first one
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Speaker 1: I think is what everybody's asking. Where did you get
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Speaker 1: the guts to make that pick?
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Speaker 3: Oh? You know what, Travis Hunter? Right, he's a rare player, right,
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Speaker 3: rare person.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: I think that combination, in some way, shape or form
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Speaker 3: makes it fairly easy.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, obviously I understand the gravity
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Speaker 3: of a decision to that magnitude, right, It's not without
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Speaker 3: careful thought, careful consideration, and you know, a collective buy
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Speaker 3: in and the work from our scouting staff, our coaching staff,
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Speaker 3: and even our support staff and the lead up to
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Speaker 3: that decision to ensure that we had a very clear
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Speaker 3: vision for Travis was something we had to work through,
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Speaker 3: and obviously that took a coordinated effort, and you know,
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Speaker 3: to date, really happy with the way things have played
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Speaker 3: out specific to the draft, and look forward to getting
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Speaker 3: all those draft picks and the young draft of college
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Speaker 3: free agents in the building and began acclimating with the
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Speaker 3: current team and seeing all that come to life for.
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Speaker 1: People who are listening. I'm not going to get knee
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Speaker 1: deep into the mechanics of the trade because a lot
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Speaker 1: of that will be in the hunt, which your administration, Bisselli,
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Speaker 1: Cohen and yourself have really opened the franchise up to
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Speaker 1: allowing fans to see the process. I'm curious how important
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Speaker 1: that is to you. Just as much as possible to
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Speaker 1: let the fans know what's going on, because this is
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Speaker 1: pretty groundbreaking what you're allowing.
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Speaker 3: You know what I actually first and foremost, I think
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Speaker 3: for our fan base, we want to give you clarity
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Speaker 3: and familiarity with how we move and once you all
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Speaker 3: to understand the why behind it and see it come
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Speaker 3: to life on the grass and make it so it's
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Speaker 3: something that you guys are all proud to support, proud
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Speaker 3: to back. And I think beyond that, it's not all
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Speaker 3: that undifferent to what I'm used to. When I was
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Speaker 3: with the Los Angeles RAMS, I was the primary point
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Speaker 3: of contact between our scouting staff and the content team
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Speaker 3: and what was being put out, etc. And you know,
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Speaker 3: being in Hollywood, so to speak, entertainment capital, right, we
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Speaker 3: understood that this is an entertainment business, and for our
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Speaker 3: fan base here in Jacksonville, want to make sure that
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Speaker 3: that access is in fact granted in a way that doesn't,
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Speaker 3: you know, give us any sort of, you know, concern
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Speaker 3: about maintaining competitive advantage, but also provides you all with
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Speaker 3: understanding for.
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Speaker 1: Those who don't know it. In the twenties, Jacksonville was
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Speaker 1: the silent film capital of the world. Maybe that's the
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Speaker 1: there it is. Maybe that's the connection. I almost hesitate
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Speaker 1: to ask this because after being around you for a
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Speaker 1: couple of months I don't think of you as as
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Speaker 1: a quote thirty four year old general manager, but people
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Speaker 1: listening to this I think still sort of see that number.
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Speaker 1: How at a relatively young age, your command and your
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Speaker 1: presence of running an organization and a system as complex
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Speaker 1: as the draft, how do you be ready for that
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Speaker 1: at a relatively young age and a new situation if
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Speaker 1: you follow me, does that make sense or sure?
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Speaker 3: I think there's probably a lot of layers there, and
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Speaker 3: I probably won't do a justice here in the setting
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Speaker 3: to work through it. But you know, I genuinely believe
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Speaker 3: that I wasn't given this opportunity for anything that I
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Speaker 3: did solely on my own. And I think as I
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Speaker 3: think back to, you know, my my peers and my
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Speaker 3: mentors specifically there with the Rams, you know, I think
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Speaker 3: they played a large hand in where I am and
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Speaker 3: how I move.
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Speaker 2: I think earlier than that, right, so.
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Speaker 3: Many of the folks that I leaned on growing up,
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Speaker 3: whether it was my you know, my siblings, or my friends,
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Speaker 3: my parents, my close family, you know, they play a
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Speaker 3: big role in that as well. And you know, I
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Speaker 3: think that goes for so many people, right that they
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Speaker 3: don't get to where they're at alone. And you know,
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Speaker 3: as I apply that now to here in Jacksonville, we
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Speaker 3: have a dynamic, connected leadership group between Tony, Liam, myself,
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Speaker 3: and we have a support system now amongst our staff
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Speaker 3: who is interested in moving in the direction that we've
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Speaker 3: sort of set ahead and so looking forward to seeing
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Speaker 3: that all take shape here. And to go back to
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Speaker 3: your original question, I probably can't do it Justice just
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Speaker 3: a quick podcast, but.
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Speaker 1: It's probably a five or six podcast.
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Speaker 2: Questions about that.
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Speaker 1: One thing that has struck me that I don't know
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Speaker 1: if I expected, because I don't know how you would
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Speaker 1: expect it without sort of seeing you operate. I've been
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Speaker 1: around a lot of gms and a lot of coaches.
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Speaker 1: You embrace it and have fun with it more than
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Speaker 1: most guys I've been around, Meaning you sort of knew
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Speaker 1: that this was a big pick and you don't mind
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Speaker 1: coming into an interview and saying, hey, this might transform
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Speaker 1: the lead and you know the game on and you're
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Speaker 1: having fun with it. Not that you don't take it
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Speaker 1: seriously because I was a serious guy. But am I
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Speaker 1: reading that element right that this is there's a fun
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Speaker 1: side of this too for you?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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Speaker 3: I think you know honestly, it's probably part of the
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Speaker 3: reason why I was drawn to Travis. The way that
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Speaker 3: Travis operates, He does so with a level of enthusiasm
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Speaker 3: and joy, knowing that he's doing something that brings him
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Speaker 3: fulfillment playing the sport of football no different is that
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Speaker 3: for me in the world of scouting, player evaluation and
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Speaker 3: engineering team dynamics, that those are fulfilling elements for me,
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Speaker 3: and I want that reflected in the way that I operate,
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Speaker 3: and I think that's by showing a level of excitement
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Speaker 3: and joy along the way in the process. This is football,
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Speaker 3: it's not built to be a boardroom. And obviously, in
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Speaker 3: the same breath, right when I've spoken about Travis in
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Speaker 3: the past, there's this level of deep rooted thoughtfulness and
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Speaker 3: maturity that lies beneath the surface, and for me, that's
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Speaker 3: something I've always I've always been someone who thinks deeply
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Speaker 3: and carefully and deliberately, and I think that those things
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Speaker 3: somehow work in combination. But at the same time, as
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Speaker 3: I begin getting integrated with our staff that exists here
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Speaker 3: on site, they have shown a level of grace, humility,
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Speaker 3: and excitement enthusiasm in the way that they're operating, and
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Speaker 3: I think that that just stimulates that for a group
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Speaker 3: and for a building, and so the fact that it's happening,
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Speaker 3: you know, outside of just.
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Speaker 2: The way that I'm moving.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, we hope that Travis brings that energy to the
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Speaker 3: rookie class and that people Travis is able to absorb
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Speaker 3: that from others. But nonetheless, it's it's been cool to
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Speaker 3: see that take shape because obviously with change, uh, the
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Speaker 3: uncertainty that comes with change, that can that can lead
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Speaker 3: to people tightening up. And over the course of the
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Speaker 3: last two months amongst our staff, it's been really I've
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Speaker 3: been really grateful at how quickly they've opened up.
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Speaker 1: So, as you said, that doesn't happen, it doesn't have
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Speaker 1: to happen, and it doesn't always happen to talking to
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Speaker 1: Sally Monday or Tuesday and your name came up and
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Speaker 1: he said, you know what people may not understand is
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Speaker 1: he's a competitive bleep. Do you think of yourself as
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Speaker 1: as competitive? And does that sort of is that one
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Speaker 1: of the threads that defines you you think?
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Speaker 2: You know? I like the question.
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Speaker 3: I've always I've always tried to have an outward shell
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Speaker 3: that's poised and calm that that's come with, you know,
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Speaker 3: having moments where I didn't quite put that on. Well,
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Speaker 3: I don't know if that was or showing the emotions,
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Speaker 3: so whether good, bad and high low in between, you know.
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Speaker 3: So I've certainly experienced the range of outward facing emotions
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Speaker 3: and things like that, so I shouldn't even I don't
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Speaker 3: want it to ever come off like I have this
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Speaker 3: ultimate poise or something along those because that's not it.
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Speaker 3: I go through the range of all emotions and when
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Speaker 3: it comes to competing, right, Internally, I have an extreme
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Speaker 3: fire and an extreme passion for the sport of football
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Speaker 3: and engineering team dynamics. But externally I do project an
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Speaker 3: attempt to project it as a conscious effort, grace and
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Speaker 3: end poise, which that's practice that's been practiced over time, right,
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Speaker 3: And I've had to if that's my standard, failed not
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Speaker 3: met that standard multiple times.
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Speaker 2: In order, and I know that I'll fail in the future. Right.
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Speaker 3: There's likely to be a moment that I don't come
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Speaker 3: through in a way that I would want to come through,
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Speaker 3: and there will be moments where I'm proud of it.
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Speaker 3: But that's certainly something I'm conscious.
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Speaker 1: Of when I say, after two months, when I say, Biselli,
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Speaker 1: what does that mean to you?
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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, it means a whole lot. So I think
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Speaker 3: I said it when fresh off the hiring. It's like
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Speaker 3: I got to imagine that every candidate that walked through
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Speaker 3: the door and sat down with the committee walked out saying, man,
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Speaker 3: he's somebody I want to be in the bunker with.
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Speaker 3: And that has truly shown itself over the last two
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Speaker 3: months and you know, working in tandem with him and Liam,
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Speaker 3: it has been in absolute joy. And those two guys
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Speaker 3: are infectious the way that they talk about the sport itself,
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Speaker 3: talk about the dynamics that exist, and work through it
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Speaker 3: in such a collaborative manner. I couldn't be more thankful today,
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Speaker 3: and look forward for those relationships continuing to grow because
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Speaker 3: you know both of them are they're attacking those relationships.
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Speaker 2: It's it's two ways.
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Speaker 3: And you know, earning trust it takes, it takes time,
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Speaker 3: but you know, at each of these sort of moments
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Speaker 3: on the timeline so far, it offers that opportunity and
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Speaker 3: and I look forward to the ones that lie on
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Speaker 3: the horizon and I'm you know, ecstatic about the few
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Speaker 3: that have happened so far, but looking forward to what
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Speaker 3: comes next.
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Speaker 1: You touched on Liam a little bit, but at head
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Speaker 1: coach GM relationship is so important. Yeah, I guess, just
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Speaker 1: what's been your biggest impression or anything you've learned after
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Speaker 1: two months? Maybe you didn't know coming in any anything
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Speaker 1: stand out.
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if it's it fits the
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Speaker 3: bill for something I didn't know coming in, but something
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Speaker 3: you know, I've been really happy to see is the
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Speaker 3: standards that Liam has for players, coaches and staff and
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Speaker 3: ensuring that those are in fact followed up on right.
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Speaker 3: It can be easy, I think, especially this day and
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Speaker 3: age too. You know, coddle and cater to and and
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Speaker 3: he has a standard. Yeah, some people might say that,
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Speaker 3: but this is professional sports. This is going to be
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Speaker 3: a franchise that we intend to make a premiere, uh
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Speaker 3: sort of spotlight, and it requires attention to detail and
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Speaker 3: setting a standard and ensuring that is in fact being met.
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Speaker 3: And Liam doesn't play and and that's been something that
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Speaker 3: I've been really excited to see in action.
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Speaker 1: Got you anybody who talks to you is always struck
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Speaker 1: by your clarity communication. We've talked about a little bit.
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Speaker 1: My thought since you've gotten here is maybe an appreciation
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Speaker 1: of how important that is as a general manager to
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Speaker 1: be able to communicate to the entire building, the entire structure.
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Speaker 1: And the phrase I've always used is you want the
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Speaker 1: West Coast scout to know exactly what the wide receivers
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Speaker 1: coach is looking for in a player and vice versa.
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Speaker 1: Is that intentional on your part? Is that a priority
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Speaker 1: on your part? How important is that to you?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 3: Communication is critical, and I hold it at a premium.
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Speaker 3: I want our staff to hold it at a premium.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I got to point back to in
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Speaker 3: the early days of my life, right, my father was
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Speaker 3: a football coach and I got to play for him,
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Speaker 3: later got to work alongside him, and I remember I
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Speaker 3: just knew him for what he was right, right, and
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Speaker 3: so I didn't think too deeply about what I was seeing.
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Speaker 2: It just was.
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Speaker 3: And it wasn't until I was working alongside him and
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Speaker 3: I was an offensive coordinator. We had a defensive coordinator
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Speaker 3: who was somebody that was a year or two older
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Speaker 3: than I was, and he also came from a football
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Speaker 3: family and was looking to grow in the business.
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Speaker 2: And he had said.
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Speaker 3: To me, after maybe you know, three or four months
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Speaker 3: on the job, he was like, I have not seen
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Speaker 3: someone like your dad in a small group setting be
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Speaker 3: so good at communicating a vision, a message and adding
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Speaker 3: clarity to the space.
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Speaker 2: And it hit me at that moment.
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Speaker 3: As like, holy cow, my dad is a very very
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Speaker 3: good communicator.
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Speaker 1: As you were just grown up with it, so you
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Speaker 1: have nothing to assume it's what it is, right.
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Speaker 3: So I think naturally I was emulating his communication style
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Speaker 3: throughout young adulthood into adulthood. I've since been able to
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Speaker 3: lean on other styles as well, and I think take
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Speaker 3: it into different directions. But nonetheless, I think that probably
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Speaker 3: is the genesis of the way in which I communicate.
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Speaker 3: But it was at that point, obviously that I recognized
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Speaker 3: that this might be why I do what I do.
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Speaker 3: In terms of applying that then to how we move
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Speaker 3: internally here with the Jaguars across staff. You know, I
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Speaker 3: think that takes time to understand exactly what it is
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Speaker 3: that our coaching staff is looking for if you're an
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Speaker 3: area of scout or an over the top scout, etc.
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Speaker 3: And we'll provide those touch points between the two departments
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Speaker 3: to ensure that there is in fact clarity well at
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Speaker 3: the same time remaining agile knowing that, I think Liams
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Speaker 3: expressed this in the past. When he got to Tampa Bay,
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Speaker 3: his intent with the run game was far different than
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Speaker 3: what it had ended up being. We're in the first
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Speaker 3: spring with a new coaching staff. We have an intent, sure,
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Speaker 3: but we've got to acknowledge the fact that that might
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Speaker 3: shift by the time we get to the midpoint next season,
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Speaker 3: and so I think you got to work with that
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Speaker 3: in mind as well, and you know, just for again,
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Speaker 3: if we're going to dive into transparency and clarity across
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Speaker 3: our entire fan base. You know, something that we do
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Speaker 3: for our scouting staff and we'll do for our scouting
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Speaker 3: staff is an annual event. It'll be our Scouting Summit.
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Speaker 3: It's essentially a program specifically suited for professional development.
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Speaker 2: In the space of scouting as well as we walk through.
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Speaker 3: Enhancements and evolution items that will incorporate into our process
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Speaker 3: moving forward in each year how we adapt and evolve.
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Speaker 3: But that takes place during training camp. So really this
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Speaker 3: time of year, as we transition away from the focus
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Speaker 3: on pro free agency and the NFL Draft, we start
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Speaker 3: to shift gears into our after a review process and
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Speaker 3: prepping for that Scouting summit, which we'll sit down with
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Speaker 3: our full staff come training camp.
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Speaker 1: One thing that fascinates Man, it may be too deep
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Speaker 1: for this, but I'm not asking anyway. The concept that
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Speaker 1: you've talked about about putting time into the process to
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Speaker 1: sleep on decisions. I'm not saying that very well, but
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Speaker 1: it's fascinating because you also mentioned the effort that you
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Speaker 1: put into during scouting meetings of having the conversations be
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Speaker 1: more water cooler than boardroom. It struck me from those
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Speaker 1: two things that you put a lot of time into
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Speaker 1: making sure that there's a process of meetings that take
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Speaker 1: place during scouting, but you want to make sure that
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Speaker 1: the processes are in place, that the decisions are right,
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Speaker 1: and there's time to think about it. I didn't do
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Speaker 1: a very good job of getting to the question, but
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Speaker 1: you it seems to me that's a priority for you
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Speaker 1: is making sure that you give people time to make
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Speaker 1: well thought out decisions and if that's part of the process.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that becomes really hard later in the draft
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Speaker 3: when you're sort of deal with a lot of moving
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Speaker 3: parts that you you know, you got to adapt in
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Speaker 3: real time, just like I mean, I remember thinking back,
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Speaker 3: this is great back with the Rams. I don't know
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Speaker 3: which draft it was, but we're getting towards the latter
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Speaker 3: portion of day three and there were some shifting dynamics.
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Speaker 3: Guys that we were interested in targeting at a certain
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Speaker 3: pick had just come off the board, so we were
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Speaker 3: pivoting and and we're kind of talking through things and
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Speaker 3: you can feel the tension the stress, and Sean looks
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Speaker 3: over it less and it's like, oh my gosh, if
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Speaker 3: you're feeling this. Can you imagine having, you know, a
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Speaker 3: buzzer to get a call in before it runs out? Right,
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Speaker 3: So it's like this is this is easy and embarrass
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Speaker 3: into that.
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Speaker 2: And making the decision.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, one of the things that you know, over
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Speaker 3: my time with the RAMS, I was the one that
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Speaker 3: typed in the the pick right, so less would obviously
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Speaker 3: make the decision. I would send it to the league
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Speaker 3: and and that would be that. But when I would
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Speaker 3: press the enter button, that's really that was like a
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Speaker 3: trigger for me, and I knew in that moment what
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Speaker 3: my real sentiment on that player was. And so it
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Speaker 3: became helpful year over year to say, how can I
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Speaker 3: how can I get that rep before I ever have
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Speaker 3: to press enter? How can I actually put myself in
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Speaker 3: that position so I have actually understood in advance whether
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Speaker 3: or not that was the decision I wanted to have made.
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Speaker 1: And that's where the time the sleeping on it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's and that's a process. You've installed that into the
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Speaker 1: process rather than assuming it's going to happen naturally correct,
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Speaker 1: which is intentional without giving away secrets. When you think
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Speaker 1: of a good draft process, are there any traits that
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Speaker 1: you feel like are important. I'm not going to ask you, hey,
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Speaker 1: what do you do on May or on April first,
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Speaker 1: but are there any trait, any traits that you think
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Speaker 1: are important in a good draft process. When you see it,
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Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that fits you know.
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Speaker 2: So here's the thing.
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Speaker 3: The twenty twenty five draft class. We won't know for
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Speaker 3: two to three years and maybe even beyond that, whether
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Speaker 3: or not it was successful. I think in the short
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Speaker 3: term what you look at in terms of whether or
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Speaker 3: not it was successful is intent and execution. We went
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Speaker 3: in with the intention of having a top three walking
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Speaker 3: away with a top three the Jaguar DNA draft class,
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Speaker 3: and as I sit here today, we ended up with Again,
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Speaker 3: this is an internal metric, so it's not to say
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Speaker 3: whether or not it does in fact lead to this
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Speaker 3: successful draft. We expect it to, but we ended up
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Speaker 3: with the best Jaguar DNA. This is a combination of
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Speaker 3: intangibles that we covet right right the on field evaluation
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Speaker 3: from our scouts, the competitiveness of each player, the toughness
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Speaker 3: of each player, the instincts of each player, then off
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Speaker 3: the field, their football character, personal character, mental capacity, all
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Speaker 3: coming into combination to form this Jaguar DNA. There are
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Speaker 3: additional layers to that. Those aren't the only characteristics that
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Speaker 3: come to life. But in the short term, the fact
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Speaker 3: that we had an intent and we executed, that's.
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Speaker 2: Where you can find some level of do that filment, you're.
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Speaker 1: Gonna have successful drafts a percentage of the time.
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Speaker 3: That would be our that would be our expectation. Yes,
22:05
Speaker 3: obviously time will tell, but.
22:07
Speaker 1: I could go into every pick. You've sort of already
22:09
Speaker 1: done that on the podium. So one question, it struck
22:14
Speaker 1: me what the owner's means we were talking. Did you
22:17
Speaker 1: really never use the phrase intangibly rich till you got here? No,
22:20
Speaker 1: I don't felt like a buzzword that you brought in.
22:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that was we spoke about with the rams
22:27
Speaker 3: physical qualities and intangible qualities. That was how we would
22:33
Speaker 3: divide profiles of prospects, and through that. I think the
22:41
Speaker 3: first time I would have ever leaned into intangibly rich
22:44
Speaker 3: would have been as a part of.
22:48
Speaker 2: Either a the interview process.
22:51
Speaker 3: Which I do not actually recall if I shared it
22:53
Speaker 3: in that setting, or be the press conference.
22:57
Speaker 2: It just coming to mind.
22:59
Speaker 1: Did you plan on or is that top of your head.
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Speaker 3: That's actually a phrase I do use often because I
23:07
Speaker 3: think it sets the sure, sets the tone, so to speak.
23:10
Speaker 3: So yeah, my close friends would tell you that they have.
23:15
Speaker 1: Heard that before. Yeah, I got you the final question
23:20
Speaker 1: on these lines, and we have a quick fun thing
23:22
Speaker 1: at the end. Can you believe it's been two months?
23:27
Speaker 1: It's a crazy two months.
23:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, that went fast. That went fast. So I do
23:34
Speaker 2: hope that.
23:36
Speaker 3: Maybe now, reflecting on the warp speed of two months,
23:41
Speaker 3: life doesn't continue to go that faster that I get
23:43
Speaker 3: to I get to pause a.
23:45
Speaker 2: Little bit more. I think.
23:48
Speaker 3: So much this day is about pressing the fast forward
23:52
Speaker 3: butt and I'll look to try as often as I
23:56
Speaker 3: can to press the pause button and just root myself.
24:00
Speaker 3: I think I'll be mindful of that for sure. Over
24:03
Speaker 3: the last two months, there were probably instances, but not
24:07
Speaker 3: enough where I was able to do that. And I
24:11
Speaker 3: don't mean that like physically. I mean being able to
24:16
Speaker 3: like press pause and sort of soak up this conversation.
24:19
Speaker 2: With you, right, Like I'd love to seer.
24:21
Speaker 3: This into my mind for the future, to remember it
24:24
Speaker 3: and not just move on to the next subject, right
24:26
Speaker 3: or like it's transactional. Yeah, I do want to. I
24:31
Speaker 3: want my life, I want the Jaguars. I want this
24:33
Speaker 3: process to be transformational, and I think that requires a
24:37
Speaker 3: little bit of mindfulness and probably along the way and
24:41
Speaker 3: not just speeding along.
24:43
Speaker 1: Gotcha. Final thing we do here is called the Ozone five.
24:46
Speaker 1: It's five quick questions that are supposed to be fun.
24:50
Speaker 1: James Gladstone, what was your last binge? Watch?
24:53
Speaker 3: My gosh, oh my, I do watched The Office before bed,
25:03
Speaker 3: but I don't. Actually I just listened to it and
25:05
Speaker 3: close my eyes. Shoot, I didn't.
25:09
Speaker 1: Just finish the series finale yesterday. That's amazing.
25:12
Speaker 2: What the Office?
25:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife first time watched. I had watched it
25:17
Speaker 1: four or five years ago, straight through, and she was
25:20
Speaker 1: finishing the binge in the season in the series finale
25:22
Speaker 1: is really good on that kind of thing.
25:24
Speaker 3: It would have been probably something on Netflix in the Fall.
25:28
Speaker 3: Any idea what would have come out in the Fall.
25:31
Speaker 1: I'm bad at it because I'm always two or three
25:33
Speaker 1: years behind, But okay, I like The Office. That's a
25:37
Speaker 1: good one, man.
25:38
Speaker 3: There definitely was one or two in the Fall that
25:43
Speaker 3: I did, and I am blanking.
25:45
Speaker 2: You can text me, yeah, I'll come back. You can
25:47
Speaker 2: share it with the on the next episode.
25:50
Speaker 1: Are you a music guy? And if so, last song
25:53
Speaker 1: you heard in the way in this morning.
25:54
Speaker 3: Oh so, unfortunately, people would not like the way that
25:59
Speaker 3: I listened to music. I listen to music and go
26:04
Speaker 3: I listen to a song until I understand every word,
26:08
Speaker 3: and usually that takes a week to two weeks. And
26:12
Speaker 3: I will listen to that on my car rides in
26:14
Speaker 3: between phone calls, and and then I will probably not
26:18
Speaker 3: listen to that song ever.
26:21
Speaker 1: Again, I have never heard of that, but that is
26:24
Speaker 1: very interesting.
26:25
Speaker 2: Oh and I guess this.
26:26
Speaker 3: Here's what's kind of fun. So I do listen to
26:29
Speaker 3: the songs again. But it's not that I'll ever do
26:32
Speaker 3: it in a substantial way, but it is kind of
26:35
Speaker 3: fun for me. When I hear that song, it actually
26:38
Speaker 3: takes me back to that two week window of my life.
26:42
Speaker 3: So it's cool when I hear some songs and I
26:46
Speaker 3: can think back to some of my time in LA
26:49
Speaker 3: with vivid imagery. Because that song is playing, it's almost
26:54
Speaker 3: like it. So that has become it's cool. What song
26:57
Speaker 3: was playing? Oh, look it up here? Okay, it was
27:01
Speaker 3: Blood Sweat Tears. If you guys want to listen to it, sure,
27:10
Speaker 3: can we hear that?
27:11
Speaker 1: Probably Blood Sweat Tears.
27:15
Speaker 2: By what's that?
27:17
Speaker 1: Bye?
27:18
Speaker 2: Oh, this would be future okay. Yeah, But so that's that's.
27:23
Speaker 1: Age difference when you don't know Sweat and Tears. That
27:26
Speaker 1: was a huge band in the sixties, So that's where
27:29
Speaker 1: we're differing here.
27:30
Speaker 3: But we can don't know if there's any licensing agreement.
27:34
Speaker 2: You have to get to play that now.
27:36
Speaker 1: But well, I think UK will be okay. If not,
27:38
Speaker 1: we can mute it out. So best football memory.
27:42
Speaker 3: Hmm, you know, there's so many. I don't know if
27:45
Speaker 3: I can say that. There was just a given. I've
27:48
Speaker 3: gotten the opportunity to play alongside my brother, play for
27:53
Speaker 3: my dad, coach alongside my brother and dad. Yeah, I
27:59
Speaker 3: mean last year year at the draft, it was pretty
28:01
Speaker 3: cool to see the fact that two teammates got to
28:04
Speaker 3: interact as a part of the draft day call to say, hey,
28:08
Speaker 3: we're gonna be playing together, and I get to be
28:10
Speaker 3: the one to tell you that your dreams become a reality.
28:13
Speaker 2: There's a lot along.
28:14
Speaker 3: The way that's really really cool and I don't think
28:17
Speaker 3: I can do what's that?
28:20
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, that was that was cool. That was a
28:22
Speaker 2: good part of it for sure.
28:26
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, still to calm that, uh yeah, we're not
28:33
Speaker 3: quite I don't know if we're fulfilled on that front yet.
28:37
Speaker 3: I can tell you I'll leave a little cliffhanger. There's
28:41
Speaker 3: definitely carrots I leave out in front of myself so that, well, yeah,
28:46
Speaker 3: I was a part of a team that won a
28:48
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. The job's not done and I'm not satisfied,
28:53
Speaker 3: and there's some things behind the scenes there that make
28:57
Speaker 3: it so that I'm still hunting that up. And so yeah,
29:02
Speaker 3: that's why I probably didn't include that on the list yet.
29:06
Speaker 1: Last two are pretty easy. Sport other than football that
29:08
Speaker 1: you were good at.
29:10
Speaker 3: You know what, I've always enjoyed sport itself. Even being
29:16
Speaker 3: bad at a sport, I would still say that having
29:20
Speaker 3: a ball in.
29:20
Speaker 2: Hand is.
29:23
Speaker 3: Probably what I enjoy most. I'll go this, I'll go
29:25
Speaker 3: the sport I enjoyed.
29:26
Speaker 2: The least, because, at least in.
29:30
Speaker 3: My experience, I was like, man, you know what I
29:32
Speaker 3: kind of like being with a group, kind of like
29:35
Speaker 3: being with a team was.
29:38
Speaker 2: Track and now I'm not fast, so that probably played
29:41
Speaker 2: a part.
29:42
Speaker 3: But standing out there in the blocks on your own,
29:47
Speaker 3: I was like, man, you know, I'd like to be
29:50
Speaker 3: able to celebrate with somebody right alongside somebody do this
29:53
Speaker 3: with somebody. So that was kind of maybe one where
29:56
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, that that might not be
29:58
Speaker 3: my game. But yeah, I played basketball in high school,
30:03
Speaker 3: considered playing basketball in college. I was at a Division
30:06
Speaker 3: III school where I played football, so it wasn't out
30:10
Speaker 3: of the realm of possibilities to play two sports. But
30:14
Speaker 3: by the time I got through the fall, yeah, I
30:17
Speaker 3: was like, you know what, I should probably just focus
30:19
Speaker 3: my attention on football, knowing I'm not nearly as good
30:22
Speaker 3: at basketball and it'll take some time before I see
30:25
Speaker 3: the court, and I'm probably just getting in the way
30:27
Speaker 3: of guys who are really committed to it, so let
30:30
Speaker 3: them take it.
30:32
Speaker 1: Final question, person or people most responsible for you being here,
30:37
Speaker 1: and it's.
30:37
Speaker 2: Probably a long list.
30:39
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the easy ones, pointing to the
30:41
Speaker 3: Sneed family Karen Less, obviously they were people that I
30:45
Speaker 3: had recognized in the press conference for you know, altering
30:50
Speaker 3: the trajectory of my life. I think my wife is
30:54
Speaker 3: an easy answer. Her and I have spent more than
30:57
Speaker 3: half of our lives together. So we met when we
31:01
Speaker 3: were fifteen years old and have been together ever since.
31:05
Speaker 3: And she definitely she is in fact my rock, but
31:11
Speaker 3: she's in my phone as such. And I think without her,
31:15
Speaker 3: I would be not anywhere near the human being that
31:18
Speaker 3: I am. The balance that she strikes me with is
31:25
Speaker 3: extremely helpful, the support, the love.
31:30
Speaker 2: It goes.
31:31
Speaker 3: It takes me to places that I never thought I
31:33
Speaker 3: could reach. And then obviously I think my parents, my siblings,
31:38
Speaker 3: they're all people who have made it so.
31:41
Speaker 2: I never had to ride alone.
31:42
Speaker 3: I've never had to ride so low, and I'm very
31:47
Speaker 3: thankful for that.
31:48
Speaker 1: I knew this would be great. I could talk to
31:50
Speaker 1: you three hours. I'm not going to ask you for
31:51
Speaker 1: that kind of time. James Gladstone, thank you so much
31:54
Speaker 1: for joining the ozone podcast. This is terrific.
31:56
Speaker 2: I appreciate it very much. Until the next one, thank you.