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Gorgeous 3-Months-Pregnant Postal Worker Vanishes. NEW LEADS? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous, young, pregnant postal
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Speaker 1: worker disappears. What happened to Kiera Coles? I Meanancy Grace
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Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in serious X one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at wg Inn. Kiera
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Speaker 1: Coles works as a mail carrier out of this postal
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Speaker 1: office in the South Shore neighborhood, where her co workers
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Speaker 1: say they cannot comment about the disappearance, but she hasn't
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Speaker 1: been seen since calling off work last Wednesday morning. The
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Speaker 1: twenty six year old was reported missing by her family
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Speaker 1: soon after, saying it is unlike her to be out
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Speaker 1: of touch. A private surveillance system near her home at
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Speaker 1: First and Vernon captured images of Coals leaving that morning,
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Speaker 1: dressed in her postal uniform, but heading across the street
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Speaker 1: from where her car was parked. According to relatives, Coals
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Speaker 1: is pregnant and loves her postal job. Her person cell
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Speaker 1: phone were said to be inside her car and it
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Speaker 1: was locked, but there's been no sign of her person
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Speaker 1: cell phone in car, as if she was about to
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Speaker 1: go somewhere, but no sign of this pregnant postal worker
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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel, a special guest to
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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But first
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Kiera's mother. This is Karen
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Speaker 1: Phillips joining us, Miss Phillips. Thank you for being with us,
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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Miss Phillips. When did you
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Speaker 1: first learn that Kiera had seemingly vanished? I told it
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Speaker 1: that morning because I always call my kids in a
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Speaker 1: morning sammit. I found it strange that she wasn't answer.
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Speaker 1: I found all money, so I went to go check
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Speaker 1: on her my lunch break, but I didn't see her car,
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Speaker 1: so I just assumed she was at work until I
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Speaker 1: got off that evening and she still hadn't returned my
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Speaker 1: phone call. And then what happened. And then you know,
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Speaker 1: I called around and see if anybody had seen with
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Speaker 1: my other kids. And then I went to her apartment
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Speaker 1: to see if I can see if she was there again,
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Speaker 1: and she wasn't. And then my oldest daughter had called
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend to see if he had talked to her,
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Speaker 1: and he had said he had been texting her, which
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Speaker 1: he found out that was a lie. He wasn't texting her,
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Speaker 1: and to check down the street for her car where
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Speaker 1: we found her cart. So we went on checked down
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Speaker 1: the street and her car was dead and still was
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Speaker 1: gonna answer our adult. Then is when I called the
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Speaker 1: police to come and do a Wales being checked. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So at this point we're going into day two. You
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Speaker 1: have not heard from her, yes, okay, if we did
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Speaker 1: the police show up, the first time was that night.
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Speaker 1: But when we woke up that morning, it's like an
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Speaker 1: automatically jet we I mean just started. We went over
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Speaker 1: there to start doing searches and the post office made fly.
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Speaker 1: Just everything just started. The very next day on the
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Speaker 1: turn take a listen to WGNTV Nancy lou One neighbor
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Speaker 1: spotted Coals on his security footage after hearing she went missing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it look kind of suspicious because when she was like
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Speaker 1: she was undecided what she wanted to do and stuff
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Speaker 1: like that, and a mom and him said that she
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Speaker 1: called off that morning saying she ain't coming in, you know,
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Speaker 1: but she was dressing in a uniform, a posted uniform,
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Speaker 1: like she's ready going to work, you know, and that
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Speaker 1: I guess that's the last close she had on Coles
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Speaker 1: is five to four and one hundred and twenty five pounds.
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Speaker 1: She has a heart tattoo on her right hand and
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Speaker 1: another on her back that reads Lucky Libra. According to relatives,
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Speaker 1: Coals is three months pregnant and has had the same
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Speaker 1: boyfriend for several years. To Dorian Gighery joining us, a
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Speaker 1: national crime reporter and editor with Oxygen dot com, Dorian,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What does a surveillance
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Speaker 1: video show? So we see surveillance footage? I think there
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Speaker 1: was a lot of confusion in the initial aftermath of
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Speaker 1: care being reported missing, and there was surveillance futage that
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Speaker 1: popped up showing who appeared to be a postal worker,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of people, including authorities, first thoughts this
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Speaker 1: might have been Kiera that you know, since was ruled
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Speaker 1: out by Kiera's family and also authorities. And you know,
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Speaker 1: there is other surveillance footage of her as well, showing
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Speaker 1: leaving her, her leaving going to work the morning she disappeared.
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Speaker 1: There's also a footage of her at an ATM shortly
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Speaker 1: before she vanished, pulling out money. And you know, apart
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Speaker 1: from these short little glimpses into her movements, Chicago police
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Speaker 1: have really struggled to put together a solid timeline of
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Speaker 1: you know, Kiara's movements leading up to her never being
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Speaker 1: seen again. So let me understand, the person that looked
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Speaker 1: like Kia in the neighbor surveillance video is not Kiera. Correct.
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Speaker 1: So a number of other postal workers, according to investigators,
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Speaker 1: did live in that neighborhood and nearby, and so I
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Speaker 1: believe they surmised that this was actually a different letter
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Speaker 1: carrier and it was not Kiera. But for a time,
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Speaker 1: you know, surveillance splurga was grainy. I believe it was
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Speaker 1: black and white. It was difficult in the early stages
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Speaker 1: to ascertain who exactly that was, but it was not Kiera.
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Speaker 1: I was always curious because if it had been Kiera,
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Speaker 1: she walked right past her own car, and that surveillance video.
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Speaker 1: Are you convinced, miss Phillips, that that surveillance video is
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Speaker 1: not your daughter? I know it's not. How do you know?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know? Do you know your kids? Do
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Speaker 1: you know they walked? You know? If I'm in the
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Speaker 1: crowd and one of my kids say, Mom, I know that, Sam,
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Speaker 1: I know that that's one of my kids called me.
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Speaker 1: You're right, I knew that wasn't her walk. The walk
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Speaker 1: the lady would suit tall. She was not that tall,
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Speaker 1: but I just knew that wasn't her walk. Guys, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut four. Our friend Marcella Raymond
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Speaker 1: Kimberly last saw her sister when she picked her up
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Speaker 1: from work lass Monday. Her mother called Thursday and asked
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Speaker 1: if she had talked to her or immediately? Was a
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Speaker 1: snapchat because that's what she threw, you know, she snapped
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Speaker 1: everywhere whatever she threw or whatever she eating house a
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Speaker 1: day and everything. So I really went to Snapchat's out
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Speaker 1: there was no story, so they kind of puzzled me.
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Speaker 1: She contented. Her boyfriend, also the father of her unborn child, Kiara,
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Speaker 1: was three months pregnant. They all went to Kara's apartment
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Speaker 1: at eighty first and Vernon to check on her. I
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Speaker 1: just don't want to say this, so who will do
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Speaker 1: something like this? I don't know, I could put it over.
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Speaker 1: So trying to figure out the last time that anyone,
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Speaker 1: since we now know that surveillance video is not her,
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Speaker 1: the last time anyone within the family, any reliable witness
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Speaker 1: actually saw Kiera Cole's alive, three months pregnant Karen Phillips,
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Speaker 1: when is the last time anyone in the family saw
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Speaker 1: her now, I know Kimberly saw her the previous Monday.
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Speaker 1: What about after that? It was the last time that
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Speaker 1: you spoke to her on the phone? I spoke to
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Speaker 1: her today she went missing? What time? Probably about six
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Speaker 1: or seven because she was at the Whisk store. Is
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Speaker 1: that in the morning or the evening? That was the
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Speaker 1: evening of the second she called me when she was
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Speaker 1: in the Whisk store. So she didn't go miss until
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Speaker 1: that night six to seven pm. That evening she was
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Speaker 1: at the store and you spoke to her on the phone.
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Speaker 1: H Do you know anyone that spoke to her or
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Speaker 1: got to text message from her after that? No? I
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Speaker 1: got it. Did she snap after that? No? So seven
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Speaker 1: pm on October two? Is that correct? Yeah? So Dorian
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Speaker 1: Guiger joining me Oxygen dot com. Where is this store
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Speaker 1: that Miss Phillips is telling us about. Believe it was
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Speaker 1: a pharmacy and it's not too far from you know,
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Speaker 1: eighty one hundred Health of Burning As where Karen lives.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I know the exact name of the store,
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Speaker 1: but it is a pharmacy, like a Walgreens or something
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Speaker 1: like that. So is that right? Karen? It was like
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Speaker 1: a pharmacy for instance of Walgreens. Um, I'm thinking it
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Speaker 1: was wild Greens ATM. It was a wild Greens. Well,
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about that, Dorian. Was it an
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Speaker 1: ATM at Walgreens? Yeah? Correct, I mean it definitely was
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Speaker 1: an ATM. It's it's a pharmacy. I will refer to
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Speaker 1: to miss phillips um, But yeah, I believe it was
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Speaker 1: a Walgreens. Take a listen to our cut twenty three.
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Speaker 1: This is Shannon Hall again with wut In. We're learning
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Speaker 1: new information about Kia Coles the last day she was seen.
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Speaker 1: This also comes the same day as community organizers march
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Speaker 1: to bring awareness to missing women and girls in Chicago.
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Speaker 1: These are the last known images of Kiera Coles on
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Speaker 1: October two, twenty eighteen. It's part of newly released video
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Speaker 1: from the Chicago Police Department. Had approximately ten forty three pm,
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Speaker 1: Kierra Coles was seen on surveillan's video making two ATM
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Speaker 1: withdrawals at a business in the eighty six hundred block
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Speaker 1: of South Cottage Grove. At the time, the postal worker
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Speaker 1: was twenty six years old and three months pregnant. In
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Speaker 1: the video from CPD, Kiera's mother, Karen Phillips asks anyone
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Speaker 1: with information about her daughter to come forward, but it
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Speaker 1: was the first time her mother had seen the surveillance
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Speaker 1: video of her daughter. Oh here, you know, she's fans.
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Speaker 1: She walked in, she go shopping, she coming back, she
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Speaker 1: wents off army. So you know, I was very, very
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Speaker 1: emotional for me to see that, Miss Phillips. What went
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Speaker 1: through your mind when you saw this atm footage? I
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Speaker 1: pretty much lost it all over again because although I
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Speaker 1: knew about the video from the beginning, I just never
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Speaker 1: saw it. So to actually see it and you know,
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Speaker 1: see my daughter walk it, and it just it was
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Speaker 1: very damage And tell me that that day Time Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace joining me, we're now a psychiatrists joining
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Speaker 1: us from the Atlanta guristiction doctor Angela Arnold and you
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Speaker 1: can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Angie.
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Speaker 1: I'm listening to Kiera's mother, Miss Phillips, and it's reminding
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Speaker 1: me of something. My mom played our church organ at
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Speaker 1: our little Methodist church in Making for over fifty years
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Speaker 1: for free, I might add. And you know they started
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Speaker 1: broadcasting it on some network. Different churches you know, have
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Speaker 1: their services live and you can of course concede on
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Speaker 1: the internet, tiny little church, and if I wanted to,
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Speaker 1: I think I could go back and look at those videos.
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Speaker 1: But I don't because on the third row from the front,
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Speaker 1: on the right, you can see my mom playing the organ,
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Speaker 1: and you can see my dad sitting there, and you know,
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Speaker 1: my dad passed away, and you could see him getting up.
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Speaker 1: There's a moment where everyone greets each other and says
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Speaker 1: good morning, Happy Sunday, Peace be with you. And I
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Speaker 1: know that I would see him shaking people's hands and
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Speaker 1: hugging neighbors, and I just don't want to see it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why. What is that? In the same
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Speaker 1: way this hit and miss Phillips since she saw that
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Speaker 1: atm withdraw Withdraw and then you see her, you see
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Speaker 1: Kiara walking around the store shopping, But the mom didn't
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Speaker 1: want to see that. What is that? Nancy? I think
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Speaker 1: that the mom. It's so hard for the mom to
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Speaker 1: see because so many years later, there's so many unanswered questions,
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Speaker 1: and it's almost as if time stops when you see
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Speaker 1: that video and you're stopped at that point in time.
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Speaker 1: And then the question is where what happened to her
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Speaker 1: after this? Where did she go? After this, and it's
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Speaker 1: that is the last time that anybody knows where she
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Speaker 1: was alive. I believe that that is why it's so
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Speaker 1: hard to look at that, because there's so many unanswered
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Speaker 1: questions after that time. It's a little bit different than
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Speaker 1: you viewing the video of your father, because I think
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Speaker 1: that that comes with some other memories and difficulties. But
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Speaker 1: thus with the unanswered question of where this girl is
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Speaker 1: and this is the last time anybody sees her at
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Speaker 1: everybody's looking for a kernel of information that can lead
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Speaker 1: them to her, and this is the last kernel that
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Speaker 1: they have. That's what's so hard to watch, Nancy. Guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listener to our cut twenty four Our friends
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Speaker 1: at wt In Police also showed video of officers first
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Speaker 1: entering Kiera's apartment after she was reported missing. New video
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Speaker 1: also shows a person of interest with Kiera at her
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Speaker 1: apartment the night of October second, and again at her
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Speaker 1: home the next day. What officers question the person of
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Speaker 1: interest after Kiera was reported missing, he gave varying accounts
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Speaker 1: of the last time he saw her. The new details
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Speaker 1: come around the same time as the fifth annual Walk
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Speaker 1: for Her. The march was organized to bring awareness to
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Speaker 1: missing black women and girls in Chicago business footage that
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Speaker 1: was released today after she has been missing for three
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Speaker 1: plus going on years. This information that should have been
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Speaker 1: released three years ago. Kiera's mother said it's an important cause.
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Speaker 1: She's hopeful for answers for other families and for her
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Speaker 1: own upright every day, but to be safe, not being harmed.
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Speaker 1: I hope I shall is with her. I okay, both
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Speaker 1: are doing okay, and I just hope soon this would
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Speaker 1: be over joyan geiger with me Austen dot com. Who
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Speaker 1: is the person of interest? To say? Chicago police won't
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Speaker 1: put that on record? I think, uh, you know, the
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Speaker 1: unofficial uh you know, person that the family has focused
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Speaker 1: on in a number of online sluice following this case,
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Speaker 1: it's been Josh Simmons, Kiera's ex boyfriend. Of course, police
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Speaker 1: won't verify if that is the person of interest in
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Speaker 1: the video, and you know, until they are able to confirm,
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Speaker 1: it's difficult to absolutely speculate there. However, I think it
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Speaker 1: probably is likely that is who they are referring to.
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Speaker 1: Going back, you know years in this case, Chicago police
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Speaker 1: have released such little little information, you know, even as
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Speaker 1: a national crime reporter, every time I revisit this case
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Speaker 1: or look at it, I barely get a response from CPD,
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Speaker 1: And so you know, I don't think we're going to
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Speaker 1: find out anytime assuing who that is until possibly maybe
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Speaker 1: an arrest is made. But again, this person gave quote
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Speaker 1: unquote varying accounts of the last time he saw her.
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Speaker 1: So we all know when police are investigating missing persons,
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Speaker 1: the first person they're obviously looking at as the individuals
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Speaker 1: who had the closest contact with these people in this case,
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Speaker 1: obviously a long time friend. Josh Simmons too. Karen Phillips,
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Speaker 1: this is Kiara's mom. Have you seen the video that
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Speaker 1: they're talking about where she is back at her place? Huh? Yes?
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Speaker 1: Who is with her? She's by rus there. She's going
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Speaker 1: in with the groceries that she get from the week
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Speaker 1: store and so that's immediately following shopping. Yeah, Dorian Geiger
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Speaker 1: with me Oxygen dot com. Dorian, are you telling me
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Speaker 1: that there is video of her with someone else the
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Speaker 1: night that she goes missing? So there is a video
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Speaker 1: of the quote unquote person of interest getting in to
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Speaker 1: Kiera's car the day before she ordered missing. When she
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Speaker 1: vanished on October second, so we see this person. We
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Speaker 1: don't see a great shot of the individual, like their
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Speaker 1: face or that sort of thing, but we see the
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Speaker 1: individual get into Kiera's vehicle, we see them leave her
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Speaker 1: property together. We later see him get out of the
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Speaker 1: passenger side of this vehicle, and Chicago police say that
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Speaker 1: vehicle is later returned to Kiera's home by this person
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Speaker 1: of interest. Okay, we're just hearing Dorian Lieutenant William sphilar
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Speaker 1: with Homicide State and I quote new video shows a
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Speaker 1: person of interest with Kiera at her apartment the night
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Speaker 1: of October two and again at her home the next day.
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Speaker 1: Those are his words, not mine. So apparently he is
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Speaker 1: on video. Would you agree with that? Correct? Yes, yes
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Speaker 1: we do. We do see this person. I'm just saying,
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Speaker 1: you know, he's very undistinguishable as far as who this
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Speaker 1: person is. Yeah, but my question was was he with
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Speaker 1: her at the apartment? Correct? So he was Mona Kay
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Speaker 1: joining me, high profile private investigator with Mona Kay Investigations
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Speaker 1: in Omaha, Mona way in If there's surveillance video, the
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Speaker 1: police obviously know or should by this time be able
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Speaker 1: to identify who this person is. Well, we just heard
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Speaker 1: them say that he gave varied accounts of what happened.
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Speaker 1: That's very disturbing to me. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, an
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags. Wendy, when someone gives varied accounts
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Speaker 1: of an incident, that is a problem. It is a
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Speaker 1: huge problem, especially when you have a case of a
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Speaker 1: missing person. You know, video is one thing you know. Sadly,
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Speaker 1: there are a variety of different quality controls with videos.
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Speaker 1: Some are grainy, like it sounds this one is, but
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Speaker 1: it was enough to be able to lead them do
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Speaker 1: A suspect will say that, I know they're using the
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Speaker 1: term person of interest, so I'll use that's just for
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Speaker 1: sake of argument. But then the inconsistency of the account,
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Speaker 1: now that is something that is significant. A lot of
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Speaker 1: people won't speak to begin with, but to actually talk
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Speaker 1: enough to where you have two versions of the story,
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Speaker 1: especially if it's somebody that's gone missing. You're right, that's
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Speaker 1: significant and that, no doubt is leading them to further investigation.
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Speaker 1: To Karen Phillips, this is Karen's Karen, do you believe
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Speaker 1: Kara is still alive? Yes? I do. Why because I
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Speaker 1: haven't identified a body yet, And that's that's what I'm
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Speaker 1: going off for regardless of what the outcome. Maybe that's
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Speaker 1: how I can survive every day. I can't, you know,
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Speaker 1: think otherwise. I have to think that my child is
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Speaker 1: still alive and should be resigned to me. I've got
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Speaker 1: a question for you. Did the boyfriend cooperate in the
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Speaker 1: search for her? Karen Phillips, No, ma'am, not at all.
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Speaker 1: Not one time. Never see the father of the baby.
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Speaker 1: Yet when you say he did not help in the search,
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Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? I mean he did
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Speaker 1: not pass out one flight, He didn't call the family
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Speaker 1: to check and see if we had any information. He
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Speaker 1: didn't do anything. And this is your child for the
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Speaker 1: most point, even if you had the attitude where you
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Speaker 1: didn't want to deal with my daughter, this is still
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Speaker 1: your child. So you wouldn't help find your own child
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Speaker 1: because you don't know how I feel because here is
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Speaker 1: my child. So this is your child. Gus take a
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Speaker 1: loss our cut nineteen Nate Rogers, Fox, thirty two. It's
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Speaker 1: been almost three agonizing years for the family of Kierra Coles,
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Speaker 1: both parents, mom and dad telling me they received varied
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Speaker 1: little no information from police in terms of information and
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Speaker 1: updates on their daughter's investigation. They tell me they hope
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Speaker 1: this latest talking today will bring answers forward. We haven't forgotten,
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Speaker 1: you know, we still want answers. We want we want
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Speaker 1: a resolution, A birthday cake and other refreshments to celebrate
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Speaker 1: Kiera Coles, who turns twenty nine years old Friday. Her
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Speaker 1: father telling me, the hardest part is working through the unknown.
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Speaker 1: I live out of town, so when I do come
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Speaker 1: here and I stop at one hundred eleven police station,
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Speaker 1: they don't never get answers for me. The reward is
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Speaker 1: climbing in the search for Kiera. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Nate Rogers and today's gathering local music artists perform feminine
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Speaker 1: friends sharing special memories. Now, according to a statement from
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Speaker 1: Chicago Police today quote, the case remains a high risk
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Speaker 1: missing person's investigation with potential foul play suspected. Now, we
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Speaker 1: do know that the United States Postal Inspection Service, as
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Speaker 1: well as the FBI and Chicago Police are jointly investigating
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Speaker 1: Kiera Racole's case. Right now, there is a forty seven
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Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward for information for any information that leads
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Speaker 1: authorities into finding Kiera Racoles. Guys, we're talking about a
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Speaker 1: gorgeous young pregnant postal worker who seemingly vanishes forty seven
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Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward tipline three one two seven four seven
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Speaker 1: eighty three eighty repeat three one two seven four seven
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Speaker 1: eighty three eighty Karen and Phillips, when's the last time
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Speaker 1: you heard from the boyfriend? Good night? I made the
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Speaker 1: buggies before try Dorrian Geiger? Are actually dot com? Any
21:58
Speaker 1: idea of where he is now? Now? Is it true
22:00
Speaker 1: he left the jurisdiction? According to the family, he is
22:04
Speaker 1: currently in Louisiana, But beyond that, we don't know much,
22:07
Speaker 1: Miss Phillips. Did Kiera ever leave for over one day
22:13
Speaker 1: without telling you? Never? And if she did, I've talked
22:18
Speaker 1: to my kids every single day. Rather they made at
22:22
Speaker 1: me for whatever or you know, whatever issue it may be.
22:25
Speaker 1: We still talked every day every day. But me to
22:30
Speaker 1: go that along without you know, speaking with Kiera, it
22:35
Speaker 1: was just, you know, I just was hoping the whole
22:38
Speaker 1: time everything is okay. You know, maybe her phone broke
22:41
Speaker 1: or maybe she left a charge. You know, I kept
22:43
Speaker 1: trying to make up excuses. I didn't want to think
22:46
Speaker 1: the words right then, even though my heart felt a
22:49
Speaker 1: little funny, because you know, I know I'm speak to
22:52
Speaker 1: her by that time to Mona Kay Private an investigator
22:54
Speaker 1: joining us from Omaha Monica Investigations. What do you believe
22:58
Speaker 1: should be done now out to try to find Kia? Well,
23:01
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, as they probably did at
23:04
Speaker 1: the time, the friends and family should be talked to.
23:07
Speaker 1: Phone records should be gone over, Google searches her, you know,
23:11
Speaker 1: any computers, financial records, thanks, you know, records. We know
23:18
Speaker 1: she used atm at Walgreens, but um, you know, has
23:22
Speaker 1: there been any interactions after that? And also did Miss
23:27
Speaker 1: Phillips say that the boyfriend alerted her and told her
23:31
Speaker 1: where her where her car could be found the next day?
23:33
Speaker 1: He did, Yes, he did, so he knew where her
23:36
Speaker 1: car was parked. Yeah, he knew, and I didn't. And
23:40
Speaker 1: when I went over there earlier that day on my
23:42
Speaker 1: lunch break, I missed it because I wouldn't have been
23:45
Speaker 1: looked at as far down as her car would. So
23:47
Speaker 1: when I didn't see it in front of her house
23:49
Speaker 1: where normally be, I just assumed she was out. And
23:52
Speaker 1: so he told us that night when I called the police, Oh,
23:55
Speaker 1: look down the street. Sometimes she parked down the street. No,
23:58
Speaker 1: she don't, that's too far for her walk back to building. Okay, well,
24:03
Speaker 1: and the police they should also be going over the
24:04
Speaker 1: inconsistencies and the different statements that he gave, you know,
24:08
Speaker 1: and verifying the you know, the different stories the statements
24:14
Speaker 1: that he gave the police. M yeah, this is Wendy,
24:17
Speaker 1: you know, Mana's right. You know. One of the things
24:19
Speaker 1: we do first is look at not only who is
24:22
Speaker 1: the last person to see somebody that's disappeared, but who
24:26
Speaker 1: is closest to the person who's disappeared. This man on
24:29
Speaker 1: the surveillance footage, it sounds like he spent the night
24:32
Speaker 1: if he's seen with her the night before and then
24:34
Speaker 1: with her at the apartment, so you might circumstantially as him. Okay,
24:38
Speaker 1: it's the boyfriend. But then you talk about things like,
24:40
Speaker 1: you know, bringing cadaver dogs to the boyfriend's apartment, doing
24:44
Speaker 1: all kinds of techniques to try to find evidence of
24:47
Speaker 1: DNA that belongs to to Kiera. I mean, all these
24:51
Speaker 1: kinds of things that you would expect to have been
24:53
Speaker 1: done three years ago. I mean maybe some of them were,
24:56
Speaker 1: but we sure wish we had more details today. I'll
24:59
Speaker 1: find interesting that he could tell where her car was
25:04
Speaker 1: parked and how far away from her apartment Karen Phillips
25:07
Speaker 1: was her car almost to the next corner. Like her
25:11
Speaker 1: building is on one corner of eighty first. Her car
25:14
Speaker 1: was almost at the end of the corner on eighty
25:16
Speaker 1: first the opposite way. It was too far for her
25:19
Speaker 1: to park and walked back by herself. This is Mona
25:23
Speaker 1: has she has she ever parked in that area before
25:26
Speaker 1: before the night. No, she wasn't park down that five
25:30
Speaker 1: because there was paniel park right there. Whenever I went
25:34
Speaker 1: to her house, it was she was always parked across
25:37
Speaker 1: the street because you know, it was housing. So maybe
25:40
Speaker 1: they used their garage which left place across the street,
25:43
Speaker 1: so she was partly right across the street from her building.
25:46
Speaker 1: Jodan Geiger, Oxygen dot Com jump in, Yeah, I think
25:49
Speaker 1: I think it's just particularly suspicious that you know, this
25:52
Speaker 1: guy Josh Simmons knew where the car was parked, and
25:55
Speaker 1: although Chicago police haven't formally identified the person of interest,
26:00
Speaker 1: seems clear to me that either they are the same
26:02
Speaker 1: person or knew each other. If you know, he the
26:06
Speaker 1: boyfriend knew where the car was. Part the person of
26:08
Speaker 1: interest was seen parking the car, so there does appear
26:12
Speaker 1: to be some kind of connection there, and I am
26:15
Speaker 1: very interested to know from miss Phillips whether she does
26:19
Speaker 1: think and if she's seen that, but whether that individual
26:22
Speaker 1: is Josh Simmons or nothing. It was And when I
26:26
Speaker 1: asked when when my daughter case went from miss and
26:29
Speaker 1: first it's a hommicack. And I talked to the homicide detective.
26:33
Speaker 1: I asked him, do you know who brought my car,
26:35
Speaker 1: my daughter's car back, And he told me mister Simmons.
26:38
Speaker 1: While her car back, he told me out of his mouth,
26:41
Speaker 1: mister Simmons brought her car back. So that's when I asked,
26:44
Speaker 1: so y'all can't bring him in off a vet and
26:46
Speaker 1: they said no. So, Miss Phillips, it wasn't her purse
26:50
Speaker 1: that was found in her car. It was her lunch
26:53
Speaker 1: box lunch bag, which you know if a similar to
26:57
Speaker 1: a purse. So that's why I kept saying, person, but
27:00
Speaker 1: it wasn't a part. That's interesting that you said that
27:02
Speaker 1: with her I D where would her ID and credit
27:05
Speaker 1: card space? We never found that her actual purse, I'm
27:09
Speaker 1: son was with her because we never found ads found.
27:13
Speaker 1: I mean, we've now found AGD keys, while the normal
27:18
Speaker 1: things that she had carried with her purse. We never
27:20
Speaker 1: found that it was her lunch bag packed for the day,
27:23
Speaker 1: or it could have been you know, the day or
27:25
Speaker 1: a couple of days, because she had prenative vitamins. Then
27:28
Speaker 1: they have fruit water, so that could have been you know,
27:31
Speaker 1: from the day before, or it could have been the
27:34
Speaker 1: day of, because I would think that she would replenish
27:36
Speaker 1: that every night if she was taking those prenatal vitamins too.
27:41
Speaker 1: Dorian Geiger, Dorian, what is the new video that has
27:45
Speaker 1: been released? Is it her at the ATM? This is
27:48
Speaker 1: the first time we've seen that video. We knew that
27:50
Speaker 1: video existed, That's the first time I've seen in you know.
27:53
Speaker 1: The video is also showing the person of interest, you know,
27:57
Speaker 1: with Kier getting in the car leaving, getting to another
28:00
Speaker 1: location after the ATM visit. We don't see here get
28:05
Speaker 1: out of the car. We see the person of interest
28:07
Speaker 1: get out of the passenger side, presumably he later drives
28:12
Speaker 1: the vehicle. We do see him emerge from the vehicle
28:14
Speaker 1: parking at Akker's house where it is later found coincidentally,
28:19
Speaker 1: where Josh Simmons also tipped off the family, where it
28:22
Speaker 1: could be sim Okay, hold on, are you telling me
28:25
Speaker 1: that it's not Josh Simmons driving in the car with her.
28:27
Speaker 1: I can't definitively say, but I think that the connection
28:31
Speaker 1: with the fact that we see the person of interest
28:33
Speaker 1: get out and we have Josh Simmons telling the family
28:37
Speaker 1: where this car is part, I think there's a really
28:41
Speaker 1: undeniable connection between you know, the these two parties. You
28:45
Speaker 1: got it, so you can't tell if it's sim or not,
28:47
Speaker 1: but he knows where the car's part, so it's most
28:48
Speaker 1: likely him. Dorian, I'm trying to figure out why the
28:53
Speaker 1: cops held onto that video for so long and didn't
28:56
Speaker 1: release it, do you know, I think we're all wondering that.
28:58
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it pays for police to be
29:00
Speaker 1: transparent and put out this information so that you can
29:03
Speaker 1: have the public assist in trying to locate somebody. Obviously,
29:08
Speaker 1: as I'm sure you know, police will play things close
29:10
Speaker 1: to their best as an investigative technique in terms of,
29:13
Speaker 1: you know, not alerting a person of interest that they
29:16
Speaker 1: are being investigated. But it sounds as if this guy
29:19
Speaker 1: knows from the beginning he was suspected, and so to me,
29:24
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense that Chicago police still won't
29:27
Speaker 1: formally identify this person got it? We don't know, Dorian,
29:30
Speaker 1: for trying to nail down something that you were talking about.
29:33
Speaker 1: We know at ten forty three pm that night, Kier
29:36
Speaker 1: spot on surveillance video making atm withdrawals. These are the
29:40
Speaker 1: last images of her that we know about or from
29:42
Speaker 1: that evening. Did she drive the car when they left
29:46
Speaker 1: or did he drive the car? Presumably she drove the
29:49
Speaker 1: car when they left. Okay, so she drove the car
29:53
Speaker 1: when they left. What we think is the Walgreen. Did
29:56
Speaker 1: she appear on video later that evening. No, When you
30:00
Speaker 1: see the person of interest emerge from her vehicle, that
30:04
Speaker 1: person is getting out of the passenger side door. We
30:06
Speaker 1: don't see any movement or anyone get out of the
30:09
Speaker 1: driver's side. Chicago police didn't say what the person of
30:13
Speaker 1: interest did after getting out of the vehicle, but I
30:15
Speaker 1: think we can presume that person later drove the vehicle
30:19
Speaker 1: and you never see her get out. We do not know.
30:22
Speaker 1: And Nancy, this is Wendy's what's very troubling about that
30:25
Speaker 1: timeline is we're creatures of habit. We park in the
30:29
Speaker 1: same place, so somebody close to us knows where we park.
30:34
Speaker 1: So to think that if somebody else drove that vehicle
30:36
Speaker 1: and parked it in the wrong spot. Is a piece
30:40
Speaker 1: of evidence that you know, we call that a bad factor,
30:42
Speaker 1: a troubling or a challenging fact. To try to reconcile
30:45
Speaker 1: with the rest of this timeline, well, I don't understand this.
30:48
Speaker 1: Anybody jump in Karen Wendy, Doctor Angie, Monique Dory and Geiger.
30:53
Speaker 1: If you see her driving the car away, then you
30:58
Speaker 1: see him getting out. Did she never get out of
31:01
Speaker 1: the car? Who was driving? He never return with the car?
31:05
Speaker 1: Is the thing? You know? After they left in the car,
31:08
Speaker 1: he never returned. When that car retires, she was not
31:11
Speaker 1: in there, but he's getting out of the passenger side.
31:15
Speaker 1: Who was driving? If she never got out, he must
31:18
Speaker 1: have climbed over the feet exactly. Crime Stories with Nancy
31:36
Speaker 1: Grace Dorian Geiger. Where was this surveillan's video taken? We
31:44
Speaker 1: don't know. Chicago police should say another parking lot in
31:47
Speaker 1: a different area of the city. I think what the
31:49
Speaker 1: question is here is what transpired inside that vehicle in
31:55
Speaker 1: that parking lot that we do not see on surveillance
31:58
Speaker 1: footage Because nobody say to be is it just me?
32:01
Speaker 1: There's two and two sillyqual four because if she was
32:04
Speaker 1: driving the car that night and he was the passenger,
32:07
Speaker 1: and then when you see the car again that night,
32:10
Speaker 1: he gets out of the passenger side and nobody ever
32:13
Speaker 1: gets out of the driver's side. Do I have that
32:16
Speaker 1: much right, Karen Phillips, Yeah, and on the on the answer,
32:20
Speaker 1: you could get out of that as he climbed over
32:22
Speaker 1: the seat, because when he parked it was a gangway,
32:26
Speaker 1: so I'm picturing he parked about the gag way. He
32:30
Speaker 1: got out on the package back he went through the
32:32
Speaker 1: gagway and getting his rad or Webble was waiting for him,
32:35
Speaker 1: and nobody else ever got out of the car. Was
32:38
Speaker 1: the camera trained on the car? Could you see if
32:40
Speaker 1: anybody got out, right? You could see the car, you know,
32:43
Speaker 1: I mean you could see that no one ever got
32:45
Speaker 1: out of the package. I mean they'll drive it back,
32:47
Speaker 1: got it? And is that where the car was ultimately found? Yes, ma'am.
32:52
Speaker 1: So nobody ever got back out of the car. Wow,
32:57
Speaker 1: there you go, right there, it's taken up. It was
33:00
Speaker 1: forty five minutes to figure out that between the Walgreens
33:03
Speaker 1: and the car parking. Something happened to Kiara? Is it
33:07
Speaker 1: all happening on the same night, Dorian Geiger, correct, Yes,
33:11
Speaker 1: so they leave the Walgreens. She's driving, and then that
33:14
Speaker 1: same night he gets out of the passenger side and
33:17
Speaker 1: nobody ever gets out of the driver's side. Yes, no, yes,
33:20
Speaker 1: Karen Phillips, was she happy about the baby. Yes, she
33:25
Speaker 1: was my lad child to have a baby. You know,
33:29
Speaker 1: she had four other siblies, everyone had kids, but her.
33:32
Speaker 1: She was the last one. She was so happy. She'd
33:35
Speaker 1: been knew that she was, She had a feeling that
33:38
Speaker 1: she was pregnant, but she just wants to wait, you know,
33:41
Speaker 1: tougest like let everybody know which I'm like, yo, just no,
33:45
Speaker 1: You're gonna wait with everybody else. You know. She was
33:47
Speaker 1: so excited, more than like a kid on Christmas. She
33:52
Speaker 1: was so excited. Was this her first baby? There was
33:56
Speaker 1: the boyfriend happy, the bio dad. Was he happy about
34:00
Speaker 1: the baby as far as she told me, he was
34:02
Speaker 1: because they planned it before she got back. She's like,
34:05
Speaker 1: we've been a plan for a baby. I'm like, but real,
34:07
Speaker 1: She's like, yeahctually, like we hopped it over. So you know,
34:10
Speaker 1: she went through the little stuffs to you know, doing
34:12
Speaker 1: the m population and stuff to know when her eggs
34:16
Speaker 1: are read in their stuff and they planned it. Did
34:18
Speaker 1: he have children? Did he have any other children? Yes,
34:21
Speaker 1: ma'am he had two other children by two different women.
34:24
Speaker 1: Can they just asked the soul sisters, Mona. Was he
34:27
Speaker 1: in any other relationships at the time? Do we know
34:30
Speaker 1: of now? Not that my knowledge. And you know me
34:33
Speaker 1: and my girls, you know, because it's four of them
34:35
Speaker 1: all together through the Key era, we always talked about,
34:38
Speaker 1: you know, the relationships and you know, little things mother
34:42
Speaker 1: and daughter talk about like as friends. So not to
34:45
Speaker 1: my knowledge, Miss Phillips. Did any of your daughters think
34:49
Speaker 1: that he was cheating during the pregnancy. No, he Josh
34:53
Speaker 1: came off to us as being a very nice gentleman.
34:58
Speaker 1: You know, he had custody office other two kids. They
35:00
Speaker 1: were living with him, and you know, he went to show,
35:03
Speaker 1: she went to work. He was so respectful because Kio
35:06
Speaker 1: just then moved out of my house. You'd only been
35:08
Speaker 1: like three months. That was dated to teach year. He
35:11
Speaker 1: always was respectful when he came or he never raised
35:14
Speaker 1: boys that Kiera. You know, they just seem to you
35:17
Speaker 1: don't have a normal relationship. Did she move in with
35:20
Speaker 1: him when she moved out of your place? Did she
35:22
Speaker 1: move in with him. No, she did. She moved into
35:24
Speaker 1: her own apartment to doctor Angie, doctor Angel Arnold, joining
35:28
Speaker 1: us doctor Angel Arnold. The number one cause of death
35:32
Speaker 1: of women pregnant women is homicide. It's not heart attack,
35:36
Speaker 1: stop blood pressure to Trump, it's homicide. And I find
35:40
Speaker 1: this very very disturbing. It's very disturbing might and it
35:43
Speaker 1: typically it typically there's some intimate partner violence that proceeds
35:50
Speaker 1: homicide during her pregnancy. So my question is, I mean,
35:54
Speaker 1: I I want to know how well did the mother know?
35:59
Speaker 1: And they dated for six years, so that means that
36:02
Speaker 1: he had some He probably had some other children while
36:06
Speaker 1: he was dating her daughter. How old were his other children?
36:09
Speaker 1: This children? The kids were before my daughter when she
36:13
Speaker 1: met him. We had two kids. Hey guys, oh, I
36:16
Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut twenty two.
36:19
Speaker 1: Our friends at wug In, the parents of Kirakles stood
36:23
Speaker 1: in Daily Plazda today calling on anyone with information in
36:26
Speaker 1: the case to come forward, and viewers might remember the
36:28
Speaker 1: Kirakos was three months pregnant when with her first child
36:32
Speaker 1: when she went missing back in October second to twenty eighteen.
36:35
Speaker 1: She was last seen near her appartment at eighty second
36:38
Speaker 1: in Vernon in the Chatham neighborhood. Coles, who was a
36:40
Speaker 1: postal worker, was wearing her uniform at the time and
36:43
Speaker 1: had called off for shift that day. Her parents are
36:45
Speaker 1: desperate to hear from her, telling us they just want
36:47
Speaker 1: to know she is okay. I will never give up
36:49
Speaker 1: searching for her. We miss we miss a moo, we
36:54
Speaker 1: miss a person out to see. We just ready for
36:56
Speaker 1: her to come home. We heard every day to talk
37:00
Speaker 1: see the stream who played man. You don't know the
37:05
Speaker 1: things we're going in right first. I the hardest because
37:09
Speaker 1: I'm going through it through most Okay, just know we're
37:19
Speaker 1: still here for you right now there is still a
37:24
Speaker 1: reward of almost fifty thousand dollars in this case. You're
37:28
Speaker 1: hearing her father, Joseph Cole's begging for help finding her,
37:33
Speaker 1: and of course her mother Karen Phillips, who is with
37:35
Speaker 1: us today. Miss Phillips, if you could speak to your
37:39
Speaker 1: daughter right now, what would you say, Jeff Um that
37:42
Speaker 1: we're not gonna give up. We're gonna get answer to
37:44
Speaker 1: you to find it out where Kiera is or find
37:47
Speaker 1: it out what happens with here. And I just wanted
37:50
Speaker 1: to know we're not gonna stop. We met, Uh, you know,
37:53
Speaker 1: I got to path to investigate it now, death and
37:56
Speaker 1: a start from the bottom, even though we know it
37:59
Speaker 1: for a year later almost I hope Kimbray's lets answer
38:04
Speaker 1: what happened to much Chaw. The tip line is three
38:07
Speaker 1: one two seven, four seven eight three eight zero. There
38:11
Speaker 1: is a forty seven thousand dollar reward to help find
38:16
Speaker 1: Kiera calls again. No person of interest has been officially
38:21
Speaker 1: named by the Chicago Police, no arrests so far in
38:25
Speaker 1: this case. Nancy Grace kind of story signing off good
38:29
Speaker 1: bye thing