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  Speaker 1: Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more than enough for the ills that plague our culture and our country, hosted by author and physician, dr Robert Jackson, and his wife Carlotta and daughter Hannah Miller.
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  Speaker 2: So listen up, because the doctor is in.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to More Than Medicine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Dr Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm privileged to have online today Rebecca Terrell, who's been one of my guests previously.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Rebecca, welcome to More Than Medicine, and I hope you'll tell my listening audience a little bit about who you are and what you do.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, dr Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: It's so nice to be back with you on your show and I appreciate the opportunity to do so.
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  Speaker 2: I am a senior editor with the New American Magazine, with the John Birch Society.
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  Speaker 2: I have worked in the past for Congressman Ron Paul when he was in Congress and I wrote the bill to get us out of the United Nations, which was introduced in every Congress up until recent years.
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  Speaker 2: When they've come up with something, I guess they figure it's new and improved to defund the United Nations.
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  Speaker 2: So we're constantly working for that.
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  Speaker 2: It's encouraging to see that there is more and more sentiment in this country building toward that inevitable withdrawal, one day to restore our sovereignty and get us out of the United Nations.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, I read an article recently in the New American that you wrote about the case of Grace Shara, who is a young Downs female patient, and her father's legal proceedings, I guess is the word on her behalf.
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  Speaker 1: And how about just tell my listening audience a little bit about who Grace is and what transpired in her life when she had covid right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, grace was uh had just turned 19 years old in september of 2021.
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  Speaker 2: Um, she was a wonderful girl.
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  Speaker 2: Her parents had doted on her and uh really, really focused on making her life a full life.
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  Speaker 2: She was so advanced, advanced she could play a violin, she could ride horses, she could read, and she was just a very, very accomplished young lady, despite her handicap of Down syndrome.
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  Speaker 2: Now, a lot of people who are not familiar with Downs would consider that maybe something, a curse of some kind, and in fact, we know that Down syndrome is one of the primary most Down syndrome children.
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  Speaker 2: When it is discovered they have Downs in utero, most Down syndrome children are aborted, which means they're murdered In the United States 76% of Down's children in the United States, if they're diagnosed before birth, end up in abortion.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and that is such a tragedy because those of us who have the grace of being around Down syndrome people know that it is just joy.
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  Speaker 2: This is a person who can never possibly mortally offend our Lord.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: It's a person who always looks on the sunny side of things.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that they don't have their little temper tantrums and things like that too, but if they do anything like that, they're immediately you know they want to make up and they're saying I'm sorry, it's just, it's a joy.
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  Speaker 2: It's a joy to have a down syndrome individual in your life.
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  Speaker 2: Well then, of course, our government looks at it as a curse because, oh, they're a drain on society.
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  Speaker 2: They aren't, because we're in in terms of our government today.
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  Speaker 2: We're looked at as mere economic units right, yeah, what can you?
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  Speaker 2: contribute to society.
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  Speaker 2: Once you're no longer a contributing member of society, off with their heads right.
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  Speaker 2: And so that's See.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very sensitive about this whole issue because my ninth child is a Down syndrome boy named Thomas, and my listening audience has heard me talk about Thomas many times.
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  Speaker 1: And Thomas is the joy and delight of our entire family and you know, thomas is always happy, he's always full of life, he's always full of hugs and he never meets a stranger.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, and we can't even imagine life without Thomas, because he's such a blessing to our family, and I can imagine that Grace was the same way to the Sharer family.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, she was, she was wonderful, in fact, she loved Elvis.
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  Speaker 2: They came to Memphis.
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  Speaker 2: I live in Memphis so this is kind of funny, but they came to Memphis when she was 13 years old to visit Graceland, where Elvis is home here in Memphis, and they ran into Priscilla Presley.
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  Speaker 2: Priscilla fell in love with Grace and they became pen pals.
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  Speaker 2: When Grace spoke, in fact, I interviewed, I had the opportunity through the Shera family, to interview Priscilla Presley about her relationship with Grace and it was just again yes, joy yes, right away, that's right and, of course, made the made Grace's demise all even more horrific, because you're talking about picking on a person who cannot, is completely incapable of defending herself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they would never assume anyone would try to cause her harm anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah Right, yeah so but, so the Sharra family says that when Grace came down with COVID symptoms and they were being very, very careful they went to the store and got one of those pulse oximeter, that fingertip pulse oximeter machines.
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  Speaker 2: They were monitoring her oxygen and they were also following the frontline covid critical care alliance doctor's protocol about what to do uh, using, you know, ivermectin and uh.
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  Speaker 2: But they got scared scott got scared when her oxygen, grace's oxygen, one day went into the 80s, high 80s.
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  Speaker 2: According to the protocol it was.
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  Speaker 2: You were supposed to go to the urgent care.
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  Speaker 2: So he went to urgent care and of course, immediately they turned them around and they took him.
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  Speaker 2: They said, no, you have to go to the emergency room.
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  Speaker 2: She has come.
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  Speaker 2: So now Grace walked into the emergency room.
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  Speaker 2: We're not talking about somebody who was whisked away in an ambulance and was comatose.
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  Speaker 2: She walks into the emergency room and from there things just went downhill because the hospital of course went by government protocols, which was the way they got big payouts.
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  Speaker 2: You know you get a payout if you admit someone with COVID.
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  Speaker 2: You get a payout from our.
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  Speaker 2: Congress that passed that bill during COVID to say, oh, we're going to give hospitals all these payouts for putting people on remdesivir and putting people on a ventilator and if you have a death in the hospital with COVID you get a payout.
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  Speaker 2: Well, scott knew enough, he didn't know as much.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't know what he knows now.
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  Speaker 2: If he knew then what he knows now, he would never have taken her to the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, probably we look back and I have a nursing background too.
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  Speaker 2: I don't practice anymore but I do have a nursing license that's inactive now and I told him, based on what he told me of the case, I said sounds to me like at most she would have needed maybe oxygen by nasal cannula and they could have sent her home with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been the most.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that so, but Scott and Cindy, his wife, continued to refuse the ventilator and refuse remdesivir.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, for some reason, grace wasn't a candidate for remdesivir and it's escaping me now why she was not.
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  Speaker 2: But she was a candidate for another COVID medicine called Toxelizumab and Scott did his homework on that.
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  Speaker 2: He refused consent for that because he looked it up and he found in the New England Journal of Medicine this isn't something far out there, a conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 2: This is in the New England Journal of Medicine.
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  Speaker 2: Toxelizumab is a drug that was found to have very little positive effect and demonstrable, measurable negative effects.
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  Speaker 2: So he said, no, I don't think we're gonna do that.
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  Speaker 2: They put grace on a BiPAP machine.
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  Speaker 2: They admitted her, put her on a BiPAP, refused to allow the family to feed her because that would interfere with the BiPAP machine, but also did not connect her to any kind of parenteral TPN nutrition, which is what you would give to a person who's unable to eat by mouth.
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  Speaker 2: She was very hungry.
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  Speaker 2: She actually was doing pretty well as far as COVID symptoms go, but the sedatives that they put her on in the.
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  Speaker 2: She had a normal hospital room, but it was labeled as an ICU room.
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  Speaker 2: Scott did not know this until after Grace died.
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  Speaker 2: She was put on Presidex, which is a sedative that's normally used pre-surgery and the label says you're not supposed to use it for more than 24 hours.
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  Speaker 2: It's dosed according to your body weight.
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  Speaker 2: Grace was on the highest dose.
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  Speaker 2: They kept putting her back on it.
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  Speaker 2: She'd have a negative reaction to it, so they'd take her off of it and then they'd put her back on it and she'd have another negative reaction to it.
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  Speaker 2: So they'd take her off of it and then they'd put her back on it and she'd have another negative reaction to it.
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  Speaker 2: She had three or four negative reactions to it.
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  Speaker 2: The final reaction was when she passed away.
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  Speaker 2: But according to the testimony given in court, of course by the defense, grace died of covet.
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  Speaker 2: It was coveted, coveted COVID, covid.
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  Speaker 2: They focused on COVID.
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  Speaker 2: They really never addressed the concerns about the sedatives that Grace was put on.
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  Speaker 2: They addressed it in a roundabout kind of a way, kind of avoiding the question.
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  Speaker 2: But it was COVID, covid, covid, covid, covid Constantly.
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  Speaker 2: They just hammered that idea into the jury and the jury came back.
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  Speaker 2: This was a civil case in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: The jury came back 11 to 12 for the defense.
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  Speaker 2: When I say 11 to 12,.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a criminal case.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't have to have a unanimous decision by the jury.
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  Speaker 2: In civil cases in Wisconsin you have to have agreement of 10 out of 12 jurors.
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  Speaker 2: They had 11.
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  Speaker 2: Scott figures well.
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  Speaker 2: You know that one juror out of 12 accounted for 8% roughly of the jury, which probably is indicative of the percentage of people in this country who are now awake, who've been red-pilled.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the way he figures it.
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  Speaker 2: But you know the jury only debated less than about 15 minutes what I heard which is such a so insulting really.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about months and months of work and research put into this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean years actually, not just months.
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  Speaker 2: Years of research put into this.
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  Speaker 2: Scott, out of pocket, has paid more than a million dollars for all of his legal fees and court costs and all of this and to go in and just have no debate, no discussion at all.
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  Speaker 2: There were jurors, there were people in the gallery who were communicating.
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  Speaker 2: I was not there in person, but there were people in the gallery communicating with me during the trial.
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  Speaker 2: The New American live streamed it so I was able to watch the trial, but I wasn't there physically present.
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  Speaker 2: So those who were there said that jury members were falling asleep during the trial.
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  Speaker 2: One woman wore a mask, a face mask, throughout the trial.
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  Speaker 2: So right there you're, like there's some bias there, that's right strong bias.
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  Speaker 2: So it was just we were.
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  Speaker 2: I will say, though, that all of us were shocked that there was not one charge in the case that where they won.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, I'll give you an example.
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  Speaker 2: A DNR order was placed on Grace by her attending physician.
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  Speaker 2: The family was not aware that a DNR order was placed on Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Dnr means do not resuscitate.
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  Speaker 2: That means if you have a heart attack or stop breathing, that health care staff is not supposed to take resuscitative measures.
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  Speaker 2: It's not supposed to resuscitate you.
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  Speaker 2: That does not mean that you're supposed to be deprived of food and water.
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  Speaker 2: A DNR does not mean that.
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  Speaker 2: A DNR does not mean you're not supposed to be intubated.
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  Speaker 2: The defense was trying to convince the jury during the trial that Scott Schera, grace's father, refused a ventilator.
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  Speaker 2: He never refused a ventilator.
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  Speaker 2: No one ever came to him and said she has to go on her ventilator now or she's going to die.
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  Speaker 2: He says of course, if they said that to him he would have authorized it.
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  Speaker 2: What he refused to do was sign a pre-authorization for a ventilator.
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  Speaker 2: She was doing fine, breathing on her own.
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  Speaker 2: She had the BiPAP mask.
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  Speaker 2: Her oxygen was healthy in the 90s.
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  Speaker 2: At one point the hospital equipment said that she was dangerously low in the 80s, but his little store-bought pulse oximeter machine on her finger said that she was healthy, had a healthy oxygen level in the 90 percentile you know 90s and he had them.
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  Speaker 2: They discovered that the reason their hospital monitor was malfunctioning was because the leads connected to Grace were soiled.
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  Speaker 2: But that was what they were using to determine their treatment for his daughter and eventually, you know he would question things like this that were happening.
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  Speaker 2: So instead of listening to him attending to his needs, attending to his daughter's needs, they kicked him out of the hospital halfway through her stay and from there she went downhill.
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  Speaker 2: And you know we saw that so often during COVID that people were deprived of their caregivers.
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  Speaker 2: Even if you don't have Down syndrome, if you have COVID, you're sick.
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  Speaker 2: You need somebody to speak for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw that lots of times where patient caregivers and family members were excluded from the hospital, to the detriment of the patient's care.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I interviewed just the other day.
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  Speaker 2: I interviewed Michelle Spencer, who's an RN out in California.
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  Speaker 2: She is suing the hospital she works for because they have noted internally, in internal communication to their nurses, a skyrocketing incidents in stillbirths since 2021.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what do we know happened in 2021?
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  Speaker 2: When delta variant covid came along well, we know that something else came out that was administered to a lot of people by a needle right.
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  Speaker 2: So, um, ever since then and she had already noticed this, and her coworkers you know they'd have she told me in this interview that before 2021, they would have an average of about four stillbirths a year.
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  Speaker 2: They are having stillbirths daily in her hospital now.
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  Speaker 2: She works in labor and delivery.
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  Speaker 2: It's something like a 400% increase that the hospital noted in an internal memo.
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  Speaker 2: They sent this internal memo not to warn people, not to say, hey, we're going to launch an investigation and look into this or we're going to publish this to the public so the public can know this and be warned and something's going on.
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  Speaker 2: We need to find out what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: No, the reason for the internal memo was to reacquaint the staff with the hospital's policies for handling a deceased baby's body when they're born, stillbirth, when they're born dead.
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  Speaker 2: That was all.
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  Speaker 2: So Michelle took the memo to friends of hers who knew who connected her with Children's Health Defense, which is Robert F Kennedy Jr's organization, and they publicized it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, michelle got in trouble with her employer.
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  Speaker 2: They doctor-pay and they demoted her.
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  Speaker 2: So the court case which Children's Health Defense is actually funding is going to be going forward.
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  Speaker 2: It's already been filed in the state of california.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the timeline is on it yet.
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  Speaker 2: It's early yet so it hasn't gone to court, but um, it has.
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  Speaker 2: There are three charges.
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  Speaker 2: One is retaliation against a whistleblower, which is against california law, is fraud.
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  Speaker 2: You know the hospital knowing this data knowing that there's a 400% increase in stillbirths and yet not publicizing it for public consumption.
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  Speaker 2: The other charge has to do with the fact that Michelle, even prior to any of this, had been warning her mothers, her patients, giving them fully informed consent about the vaccination schedule for their babies.
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  Speaker 2: And mothers were starting to refuse certain vaccines, knowing that the risk was much higher.
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  Speaker 2: The risk of getting the vaccine was much higher than the risk of the actual disease to their infants.
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  Speaker 2: This was affecting the hospital's bottom line, of course, because the hospitals get paid for every vaccine that they administer.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, it was a very easy.
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  Speaker 1: I had a full podcast about this over a year and a half ago about the effects of the vaccine on conception and stillbirths and miscarriages.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly and it is well known if you know where to look.
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  Speaker 2: But it's certainly not promoted by the popular you know, mainstream narrative or by our own government.
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  Speaker 2: So, instead of you know, of course, this was easy for the hospital to trace back.
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  Speaker 2: Why are these moms all refusing the hepatitis B vaccine for their children?
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  Speaker 2: Well, each of those moms happened to be a patient of Michelle Spencer, so they called her in.
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  Speaker 1: She's a truth teller.
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  Speaker 1: She's a truth teller?
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  Speaker 1: She sure is.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what she was doing was she actually asked them.
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  Speaker 2: She said would you like me to withhold informed consent from my patients?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: No, but right.
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  Speaker 1: And not all of her patients were neglecting the vaccine.
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  Speaker 1: Some were just choosing informed consent.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Some were choosing against it because they realized, yeah, my baby is probably not going to be sexually active and probably not going to be sharing needles with heroin addicts, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: So I think I'll withhold that.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: Newborn babies.
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  Speaker 1: We'll go back to our original storyline here before we close.
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  Speaker 1: What was Scott Shara's emotional response to the jury's verdict?
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  Speaker 2: Scott Shara is a model for us all.
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  Speaker 2: He considers himself to be a tool that our Lord uses.
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  Speaker 2: He said we were called to file this case.
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  Speaker 2: We were called to pursue it to try to open people's eyes to the truth.
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  Speaker 2: He said we lost, but that does not dampen his spirits.
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  Speaker 2: He knows that he is in God's hands.
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  Speaker 3: He's doing what God wants him to do.
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  Speaker 2: He considers himself.
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  Speaker 2: I really think that he has a very much an attitude of the patriarch joseph in egypt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, god put me here.
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  Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'll patiently wait and see what he has in store.
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  Speaker 2: And that truly is.
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  Speaker 2: He's just.
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  Speaker 2: He's a, he's a marvel and it's a.
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  Speaker 2: It's a privilege to know that I'm among his circle of friends.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, his whole family.
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  Speaker 1: I'd love to meet him sometime.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I really would.
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  Speaker 1: I think it'd be an honor to just talk to him sometime.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I can introduce you.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I'd be glad to.
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  Speaker 2: He'd be a wonderful guest for your podcast.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Well, if you could line that up, I think my listening audience would love to hear from him sometime.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: If you can make that happen, it would really be a blessing to me personally, but I think a blessing to my listening audience as well.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I think that would be delightful.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Well, Rebecca, we're running out of time here.
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  Speaker 1: I thank you for bringing us up to date on Grace Shara and Scott Shara and their case.
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  Speaker 1: We're disappointed that it didn't go as well as Scott wanted it to, but at least he's getting the story out there and waking people up to what's happening in the medical establishment and in the legal establishment as well.
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  Speaker 1: Any final comments before we conclude.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely Well.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I would just say trust Scott and keep your gunpowder dry.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: That's right, I agree, I agree, I agree, 100%.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for your time, the Lord bless you and I hope to have you back again another day.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Dr Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: All right, you're listening to More Than Medicine.
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  Speaker 1: My guest today is Rebecca Terrell, with the New American, and I hope she'll come back and be with us again.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Until then, may the Lord bless you real good and remember your doctor loves you.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to this edition of More Than Medicine.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: For more information about the Jackson Family Ministry or to schedule a speaking engagement, go to their Facebook page, instagram or webpage at jacksonfamilyministrycom.
• 22:06
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