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Episode 31: Ghosts and Haunts · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode thirty one of Ravellio for
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  Speaker 1: October thirtieth, twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Amy and I'm Nicole. Just realize this is like
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  Speaker 2: a kind of like our Halloween episode, and it's the
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  Speaker 2: thirty first episode obviously coming out the day before Halloween,
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  Speaker 2: but still got that.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty one spooky vibes.
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  Speaker 2: Spooky vibes, which you know are my favorite kind of vibes.
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  Speaker 1: Nicol is in her element in her Slytherin sweatshirt.
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  Speaker 2: My Slytherin top right. Yeah, I know for those of
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  Speaker 2: you that can't see or don't look at our or
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  Speaker 2: like when we post our reels online of you know,
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  Speaker 2: us recording. I wear Pair I Wear, which is the
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  Speaker 2: glasses company where you can get like the magnetic top
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  Speaker 2: frames to change. And I've actually had them for gosh,
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  Speaker 2: like I think like three years or something now, and
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  Speaker 2: actually their Harry Potter top frames are one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons I kind of got into it, And so I'm
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  Speaker 2: wearing my Slytherin top frames today that are one of
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  Speaker 2: Potter line of toppers, Like we could totally have a
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  Speaker 2: mutual relationship here. So but yeah, so I am all
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  Speaker 2: Slytherin decked out today because you know those Slytherins and
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  Speaker 2: spooky vibes go hand in hand. And speaking of spooky vibes,
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  Speaker 2: because this is obviously our episode coming out right before Halloween,
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  Speaker 2: we of course needed to do a spooky kind of topic,
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  Speaker 2: and so we're going to be discussing ghosts and hauntings
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  Speaker 2: in the Wizarding World. But first listening to w W
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  Speaker 2: in the Wizarding Wireless Network.
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  Speaker 1: Now for the latest headlines.
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  Speaker 2: So since our last recording, there has been some things
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  Speaker 2: that have happened. We have got some more casting announcements
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  Speaker 2: for the Harry Potter the full cast audio editions. So
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  Speaker 2: Bill Nyie is returning to the Wizarding World, but this
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  Speaker 2: time he will be voicing Professor Sloghorn. So if you're
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  Speaker 2: unfamiliar Bill Nyie, played scrimgr in the films, and he
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  Speaker 2: actually had something to say about his return to the
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  Speaker 2: Wizarding World. So Bill said, I was pleased to be
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  Speaker 2: asked to play the Professor after having already played a
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  Speaker 2: minister for magic. Is it possible that I'm the only
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  Speaker 2: actor who can claim that achievement. It means that my
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  Speaker 2: career continues to have meaning for the next couple of generations.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always grateful when asked to play academics, having not
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  Speaker 2: been further educated myself. I'm hoping to be a significant
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  Speaker 2: part of something that will keep children entertained in the
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  Speaker 2: car on those long journeys overseas or just on the
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  Speaker 2: way to school. Cool, very nice. It will definitely be
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  Speaker 2: interesting to like hear like when we have these, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people that return to the Wizarding World, but in a
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  Speaker 2: different role, like having to kind of separate, like hearing
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  Speaker 2: that voice for like somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: I always think of his like opening monologue in Deathly Hallows.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it can always very very iconic. And so we
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  Speaker 2: actually have someone else returning to the whizzing world. So
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  Speaker 2: David Holmes, who was a lead stunt double in the
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  Speaker 2: Harry Potter films, will be voicing Stan shun Pike, and
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  Speaker 2: David also had something to say about his return to
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  Speaker 2: the Wizing world. He said, I'm beyond thrilled and honored
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  Speaker 2: to be voicing Stan shun Pike and the forthcoming Potter
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  Speaker 2: More and audible Harry Potter full cast audiobook. Being a
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  Speaker 2: part of this is very much full circle for me,
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  Speaker 2: considering I was the Harry stunt double inside the night
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  Speaker 2: bus as it was whizzing through the streets of London
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  Speaker 2: on the Harry Potter Prisoner of Azkaban movie. I hope
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  Speaker 2: everybody enjoys my performance and both old or new audiences
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  Speaker 2: will connect with these magical stories. Tickets please.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool, yes, especially because like he's a stunt double,
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  Speaker 1: so like I'm not so familiar with Like did he
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  Speaker 1: do any like kind of acting work after.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. He was Also the there's a really
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  Speaker 2: good documentary that Dan did with him, and he unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: did have an accident on the set of I believe
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  Speaker 2: it was Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows and unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: it did lead to him becoming paralyzed, and so there's, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's a really good documentary out there with him and
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  Speaker 2: Dan so yeah, I don't know if like before that,
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  Speaker 2: if he ever did you know, if he only did ston't.
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  Speaker 1: Work, or if now he's branching out because obviously you
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  Speaker 1: can't do stunts now but can still do things in
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  Speaker 1: in the Yeah. Yeah, well that's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, I thought it was really cool to
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  Speaker 2: see this. So then we got a bunch of other
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  Speaker 2: casting announcements, and I am probably going to butcher names,
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  Speaker 2: so I apologize in advance. But yeah, there's a lot. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of Yeah, there's there's a lot. So
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  Speaker 2: we have Syrsha Monica Jackson who will be voicing Professor Chilawny,
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  Speaker 2: Chope de Ressou who will be voicing Sirius Black Anna,
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  Speaker 2: Maxwell Martin will be voicing Rita Skeeter. Mackenzie Crook will
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  Speaker 2: be voicing Creature. Steven Mangan will be voicing Nearly Headless.
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  Speaker 2: Nick Tracy and Oberman will be voicing Madam Hooch. Millie
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  Speaker 2: Guvey will be voicing Luna love Good, Jude Farrant or
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  Speaker 2: Farrant will be voicing Draco Malfoy and Audiobooks one through three,
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  Speaker 2: and then Maximus Evans will be continuing the role of
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  Speaker 2: Draco and audiobooks four through seven. So like our you know,
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  Speaker 2: the trio, we're gonna have different actors playing them younger
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  Speaker 2: and then older. Similarly, we have Jake Sigsworth who be
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  Speaker 2: voicing Nevell long Bottom in one through three audiobooks, and
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  Speaker 2: then Archie Mountain continuing that role of Neville in audiobooks
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  Speaker 2: four through seven. So a lot more casting announcements we
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  Speaker 2: still have. I mean, I think a lot of like
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  Speaker 2: cast to kind of you know, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: they'll continue to announce like every single you know, character
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  Speaker 2: that comes in, but yeah, exciting. I mean, we're really
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  Speaker 2: close to the debut of the debut of the first book,
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  Speaker 2: so you just a reminder, Yeah that, uh, Harry Potter
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  Speaker 2: and the Sorcerer slash Philosopher's Stone comes out on November fourth,
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  Speaker 2: and there's actually going to be an exclusive preview listening
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  Speaker 2: of that happening on Monday, November three at three pm
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  Speaker 2: Pacific or six pm Eastern. For this. I got an
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  Speaker 2: email from Audible about it and I RSVP because why not.
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  Speaker 2: I just gotta want to see what it is. But
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  Speaker 2: you can RSVP for this at HP Exclusive Listening Preview
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  Speaker 2: dot hm hm So on November third. I guess we'll see,
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  Speaker 2: we'll see what it is. But yeah, we're super close
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  Speaker 2: to this being released, you all know. I'm super excited.
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  Speaker 2: I already have one through three pre ordered with my
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  Speaker 2: you know my every month my audible credits are going
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  Speaker 2: towards pre ordering these, So we are very close to
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  Speaker 2: it coming out. So I mean, and amy with you
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  Speaker 2: if you want, we can totally listen to it on
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  Speaker 2: our drive down to New York City in November to
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  Speaker 2: see Time Child. Yes, yes, yeah, I mean, I know
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  Speaker 2: we usually listen to Tailor, but maybe we'll take a
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  Speaker 2: break from Tailor listen to the audiobook.
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  Speaker 1: We'll put both on at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: Right at that sounds like yeah, but yeah, So definitely
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  Speaker 2: pre order if you haven't and you're interested in you know,
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  Speaker 2: in listening, but really excited to see you know, more
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  Speaker 2: people join what has already become, you know, as we know,
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  Speaker 2: a very like star studded cast. So and.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so some.
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  Speaker 2: Other things that have come out regarding Epic Universe. So
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  Speaker 2: park Hopper and multi multi day tickets are coming to
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  Speaker 2: Epic Universe in twenty twenty six. So this is citing
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  Speaker 2: right now, Like you can only buy tickets just to
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  Speaker 2: go into Epic for the day you can't like park hop,
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  Speaker 2: so that'll be exciting. Unfortunately, still doesn't look like Epic
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  Speaker 2: Universe will be adding will be added to annual passes
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  Speaker 2: next year. I mean it could happen, but as of
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  Speaker 2: right now, they still have the specially priced single day
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  Speaker 2: tickets for Epic Universe for annual pass holders all the
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  Speaker 2: way through the end of twenty twenty six, which, of
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  Speaker 2: course we all analyze everything and so everybody is like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is basically telling us that we will not see
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  Speaker 2: this added to our annual passes last year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm going in January, and I was
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  Speaker 1: so hoping because I was supposed to renew in December.
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  Speaker 1: I was just really hoping it would get at.
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  Speaker 2: It, I know. And I remember like when I saw
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  Speaker 2: that like park hoppers and all of that was coming,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, maybe because I really thought that it
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  Speaker 2: would be this one big announcement right of like, especially
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  Speaker 2: once park hopping came out, I'm like, you know, as
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  Speaker 2: an annual passholder, that's like a perk of being an
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  Speaker 2: annual pass holder is being able to park hop. And
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  Speaker 2: then I just yeah, my hopes and dreams were shattered
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  Speaker 2: when I saw that. You know, it was still if
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  Speaker 2: you're an annual passolder, you still have to buy tickets
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  Speaker 2: for epics. So we'll see, I mean, I could. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: maybe maybe something will happen next year and they'll you know,
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  Speaker 2: there'll be a surprise announcement, or maybe it'll be like
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  Speaker 2: the they'll realize the way tickets are being purchased that
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  Speaker 2: they can add annual pass holders. But we'll see it.
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  Speaker 2: I think now though, that we'll probably not see that
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  Speaker 2: until at least twenty twenty seven. Unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: I will say though, for people who are in a
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  Speaker 1: boat similar to mine, my plan is to obviously just
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  Speaker 1: purchase the ticket I need for the day I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be there in January. If they add it, I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine that they would like refuse to refund people
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  Speaker 1: who are then going to have the pass, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. There's going to be some sort of
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  Speaker 1: deal where you can upgrade your pass or they like
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  Speaker 1: comp that amount of money. I don't know, there should
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  Speaker 1: be something there, and they've been pretty good about that.
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  Speaker 1: Like I know, when Nicole and I initially went in June,
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  Speaker 1: we were trying to purchase tickets for a date that
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  Speaker 1: they didn't have the pass hoolder discount tickets for anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So we bought the regular price ones, and when they
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  Speaker 1: did release more at the discount price, they were really
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  Speaker 1: good about canceling our order and putting the other price
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  Speaker 1: on them. So I'm hoping that something will will be
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  Speaker 1: in place.
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  Speaker 2: I almost wonder if they'll like put yeah to like
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  Speaker 2: put the cost of that ticket towards the upgrade, like
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  Speaker 2: I think about like with Disney, like you can upgrade
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  Speaker 2: your park tickets to an annual pass, and they just
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  Speaker 2: put like what you purchase like towards that annual pass.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same, Yeah, you can upgrade your ticket, So
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  Speaker 2: I could see, like, Okay, you've already you know, paid
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  Speaker 2: this amount, let's just transfer that to whatever your you know,
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  Speaker 2: whatever that difference will be. But we'll see. I'm really
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  Speaker 2: hoping that maybe that happens. I think I'd be really
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  Speaker 2: curious to look at like the numbers of how well
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  Speaker 2: the park is doing or if it's doing it as
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  Speaker 2: busy as they expected it to be, because I think
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  Speaker 2: that's really what controls annual passes, right, because it's like
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  Speaker 2: you want to be able to know how many people
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  Speaker 2: are coming into your park every day, and you can't
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  Speaker 2: really do that with annual passes because they're not buying
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  Speaker 2: tickets in advance. But here's my thing, like, you also
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  Speaker 2: can't do that with park hoppers either, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't, like if it's a three Parks,
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming you would have to buy like a three
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  Speaker 2: park park copper, and you still can't control like who's
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  Speaker 2: hopping on what days and everything like that. So maybe
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  Speaker 2: this is also like a test for them to see
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  Speaker 2: if they're at a place where they can add annual
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  Speaker 2: pass holder. I don't know, but I think either way,
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  Speaker 2: things are moving in the direction of eventually, you know,
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  Speaker 2: annual passes being added, and I think it'll be fun
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  Speaker 2: to be able to park hop too, like for people
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  Speaker 2: to buy those tickets, because especially if you go like
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people do go to Universal,
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  Speaker 2: like just for Harry Potter, And if you wanted to
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  Speaker 2: buy a ticket to go to Epic, and your plan
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  Speaker 2: is really I mean, I don't recommend going to Epic
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  Speaker 2: and only going to Wizarding World. The park is too
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  Speaker 2: cool to not visit the other areas, But if you
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  Speaker 2: really wanted to go and you're like, I'm only here
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  Speaker 2: for Wizarding World, Like you can fill a big chunk
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  Speaker 2: of the day, but like, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: really could fill like the entire day for like the
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  Speaker 2: cost of that ticket, like and so it's nice if
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  Speaker 2: you wanted to go one day and hit like all
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  Speaker 2: three Wizarding areas, like that would be really fun. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we'll see. But things are changing with the tickets, which
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  Speaker 2: is always a good thing. So and hopefully more people
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  Speaker 2: can go when it's when these other options are added.
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  Speaker 2: And then lastly, we you know, of course, continue to
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  Speaker 2: get a lot of sneak peeks at the filming and
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  Speaker 2: different sets for the HBO Harry Potter TV series, So
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  Speaker 2: lots of photos because they're still doing a lot of
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  Speaker 2: filming and outdoor locations. Of course, once we start transitioning
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  Speaker 2: into like probably when they get to Hogwarts and all
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, that's when we'll stop seeing these
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  Speaker 2: leaks because they'll the inside. So definitely soaking up what
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  Speaker 2: we can get, you know, for now, but I've seen
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  Speaker 2: some photos floating around of what looks like a diagon
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  Speaker 2: alley set that they're building. Also they've picked the location
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  Speaker 2: for like Godrick's Hollow and are making some changes around
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  Speaker 2: that that town in the UK to you know, make
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: it Godrick's Hollow. We also got our first look at
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  Speaker 2: John Lithgow as Elvis Dumbledore, and I was going to
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  Speaker 2: add a photo to the doc and I completely forgot.
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  Speaker 2: But he looks really cool. I think he looks very
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  Speaker 2: book accurate with the very long beer, the half moon glasses.
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  Speaker 1: People are saying it looks very similar to like Richard
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  Speaker 1: Harris's Dumbledore.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, which I love because I think Richard Harris like
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  Speaker 2: looked more like a book accurate Dumbledore. But yeah, he's
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  Speaker 2: that his really long beard. I think his beard looks
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  Speaker 2: really good. It looks really like natural. He's got lots
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  Speaker 2: of rings on his fingers and I'm very curious what
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  Speaker 2: all these rings are. He's wearing a really long, like
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  Speaker 2: dark blue cloak that's got some like, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to say, a florally design. I can't really tell what
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  Speaker 2: the design is, but it looks like it's like a
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  Speaker 2: dark blue. And then underneath he's wearing there's like lots
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  Speaker 2: of maroon and blue. It's very dark in this what
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  Speaker 2: he's wearing in this, it almost his cloak actually looks
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  Speaker 2: very like tapestry, like on the outside and then the
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  Speaker 2: inside almost has like a kind of plattish pattern, Like
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how to explain it. If you're looking
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  Speaker 2: at the picture along with me, you could see what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. But yeah, no, I think he looks really good.
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  Speaker 2: And we've got these pictures of him filming on the
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  Speaker 2: beach and coming through the water. And you know, when
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  Speaker 2: we first got this, I think we were all wondering
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  Speaker 2: what the heck is Doubledore doing on the beach.
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  Speaker 1: He's on a little seaside vacation.
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  Speaker 2: Seaside vacation, Yeah, but then we quickly learned why he's there.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm gonna put a spoiler warning here because if
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  Speaker 2: you want to go into the show completely blind, which
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: it was funny because I think I said to you,
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  Speaker 2: like after we got we got these photos, I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: how cool would it be to like go into the
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  Speaker 2: show and like not know that this is coming. But
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: at the same time, now with the Internet and everything,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: it's so hard to avoid spoilers here unless you're just
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  Speaker 2: not on social media. And also, like, we are so
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: excited and we like want to talk about it too.
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  Speaker 2: And we feel like an obligation as podcasters to like
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: see these things and talk about these things. So I
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  Speaker 2: think unfortunately, but spoiler warning for like prop the next
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  Speaker 2: couple of minutes here. But yes, so we learned that
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  Speaker 2: he's on the beach because he is meeting the Flamel's.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, and not just Nicholas, but is there too, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm guessing this is probably you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to see Dumbledore operate to this beach and they
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  Speaker 1: meet on the cliffs.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the biggest thing, like as excited as
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  Speaker 2: I was to see, like, oh my god, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to see Nicholas Willmel. And obviously we're you know, we
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: can speculate, right, we're going to get the scene where
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  Speaker 2: Nicholas will Mel gives Dumbledore the stone and you know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: passes it over to him. But I think what's even
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  Speaker 2: more exciting about this is just you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: we speculated that with the TV show, right, You've got
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  Speaker 2: all this extra time, and yes, we're going to see
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  Speaker 2: things in the book that we didn't get to see,
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  Speaker 2: or see things from the book that we didn't get
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  Speaker 2: to see in the films, but you also have even
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  Speaker 2: more time than that, and having a TV show also
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  Speaker 2: allows us to see scenes that we know happened but
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  Speaker 2: maybe weren't directly in the book, because obviously the books
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  Speaker 2: are through Harry's perspective, right, But now we'll get to
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  Speaker 2: see things even more so outside of Harry's perspective, even
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  Speaker 2: more than we got to see in the films. And
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  Speaker 2: so this to me is just confirmation that, like, we're
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: going to get those scenes of things that we know happened,
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  Speaker 2: but we didn't get to see a little bit of
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: time travel if you will too, uh, with maybe some
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  Speaker 2: potential flashbacks and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, and this is such an interesting storyline to
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  Speaker 1: explore too, like just how the Flamel's navigate this whole thing,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean we learn at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: Sorcerer's Stone obviously they're going to die, right and after
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: living this very long life. You know, I'm curious if
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: they'll include that scene in that conversation of Okay, well,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: we'll get our affairs in order and that's that. Like,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I just think that's super interesting. There's so many cool
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: things that there's a potential to see now, and I'm
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: even more excited.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we also got sneak peeks at
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: another thing that would be something we didn't really see
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: in the book. There's some photos that look like they
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: are Godich's Hollow on Halloween night obviously though that's back
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty one like that, Like you know, there's
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: so there's photos of children and costumes. There's a photo
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: that potentially could be James and Lily like walking in
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: this like like walking home. Maybe they could just be
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: a Muggle couple.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Two.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: We really don't know because we haven't seen like who's
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: been cast. But there's like just speculation that maybe in
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: one of the photos we're seeing them walking in the streets.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: But again, yeah, this is like I'm you know, are
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: we going to get a flashback scene to you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: not just I mean we have a little bit of
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: a flashback, right, like we get that in the film,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: we see it, right, but like, are we going to
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: get like more like even more of a flashback of
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: it than we got in the films? I mean possible?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we are right because we didn't see
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: what was going on in Godric's Hollow while unfortunately this
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: traumatic thing was happening in the house. So yeah, that's
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see like what they do with that,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and if they expand on that scene a little bit more.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I would like to see the aftermath. I would like
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to see Hagrid showing up and rescuing Harry from the rubble.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: That's something that we've never really gotten to see, like
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: what is the aftermath because obviously the Muggle neighbors would
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: have to know that something happened, right they would see
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a house like burned to the ground basically, So what's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the cover up? How do they clean this up?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, so yeah, I'm really excited to see.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I think if anything, the photos definitely show us that
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the scene we're going to get of that is going
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: to be at least it's not going to be like,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: you know, copy paste of obviously what we saw in
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the films, because we're going to get a little bit
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: of a look at the town. Yeah. And then there's
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: there's also just some other random photos and videos of
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: like wizards like pointing ones in the air. There's this
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: one photo of this wizard like he looks like he's
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: sitting on top of or rooftop like pointing a wand
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: in the air. There's this other video that looks like
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: there's I think possibly like a witch like in the
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: street pointing a wand in the air. And so I
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: mean I still think that these might all still be
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: related to like possibly like the celebration of Baltimore being
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: defeated and just seeing how that shooting off fireworks and stuff. Yeah,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: but yeah, lots of just lots of witches and wizards
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: just out there pointing their wands around, you know.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: As they do, no regard for the rules.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: No regard for the rules, no, because they're just so excited, right.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so either way, I mean, I just yeah,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just continue to be excited for the show.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: And I think that it's I hope that we continue
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: to get these additional scenes and everything, because that just
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I think that just helps solidify like a like, not
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that we needed to make this, because I don't think
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: we needed to make this, but just in differentiating it
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: and making it really stand on its own from the films.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: And I think I was starting to think about too,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: like another way that you can also look at it
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: of you know, how how do how do both of
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: these things exist in this is that the films can
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: really be like you're nostalgic quick Harry Potter fix. Right, Like,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: if you want to quick Harry Potter fix, you pop
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: on the movie. It's over in two hours, right, versus
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: like with the show. The show is like a bigger
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: time commitment, right, unless you decide to just pop on
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: an episode or something like that. Like I kind of
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: was thinking about that the other day that it's like,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I think that's how they can kind of both exist
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: for me, Right, I think that I'm still going to
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: keep rewatching the films in the same way that I do,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: or I'm doing housework right and I pop on Chamber
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: of Secrets or something like that. I think that that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: won't end for me just because we have the TV show.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: But yeah, exciting things. So definitely, you know on Well's
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: on Instagram, if you you know polgro On on Instagram, you
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: can kind of find all these photos. But yeah, that's
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: kind of the main things that have happened since we
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: last recorded.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: This episode's main discussion contains some sensitive topics surrounding death.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: If you prefer to skip over today's main discussion, fast
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: forward to the one hour and twenty one minute mark.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: So for our main discussion, we're getting extra spooky, and
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: we're talking about ghosts and hauntings, so little recap of
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: ghosts in the Harry Potter universe. We have this excellent
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: quote of how they are an imprint of a departed soul.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Of course, we have that moment where you know, Harry's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: joking about it and he's like, you know you're not
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: gonna ask someone, excuse me, are you an imprint of
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a departed soul? So everyone can remember that line. So
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: this is typically either someone who was afraid of death
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: or had a particularly strong connection to the location that
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: they are haunting, so they choose to stick around. They're
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: grayish silver apparitions that resemble their living selves, and ghosts
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: in the Wizarding World take on the form of themselves
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: at the moment of their death. So if wounded, those
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: wounds are visible as ghosts. If old, they appear that
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: age as a ghost, so on and so on. They
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: can pass through solid objects, but they can cause disturbances
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to air, water, and fire. They cannot eat. We learn
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: this at the Death Day party. They can try and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: float through the food with their mouths open, but they
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: can't taste it. Their presence causes the temperature to drop
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: in their immediate vicinity, So the gathering of many ghosts
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: can cause this effect to be intensified, and flames in
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: their vicinity may even turn blue, which is interesting because
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: usually a blue flame means it's hotter. But you know magic,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: muggles cannot become ghosts, nor can they see ghosts clearly,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: So muggles who claim to see the dead clearly are
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: either lying or are really witches or wizards who are
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: breaking the statute of secrecy.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so mediums are potentially actually which is their wizards,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I mean that makes sense or fakes yeah or fake yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Animals may have also been able to become ghosts, since
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a book called Animal Ghosts of Britain could be found
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: in the Gryffindor common room on the original Potter More.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of interesting, which we'll get
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: into more, because we don't really know much about the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: magic that lets you become a ghost, so like.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think earlier too, well, yeah, and I
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: was thinking earlier, like when you mentioned that kind of
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: like what causes someone to become a ghost in the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: wizard world, as you know, being afraid of death or
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: having a strong connection to the location they're haunting. I
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: feel like for an animal like maybe that ladder part,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know if like animals like can fear
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: death in the way that humans can because of just
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the way that we like have extension exit with the
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: ex Oh my god, I can't say the word thoughts.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't say it. Okay, you know
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: what I'm trying. There we go, There we go today
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: if words are hard on the Saturday, yes, those thoughts.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: But I could see like a pet having like a
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: strong connection to like where they are, or if they've
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: like I think in the Wizarding World, think of like
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I mean kind of thinking of our last episode, right,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: You've got some of these great Wizarding families that have
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: these dwellings that pass on in their family. Or you
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: think about like the Black family house, right, the Malfoy
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: manor like, and if you have pets that are there,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and if they've lived their whole life there and it's
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: like it's just become, you know, the only place they've
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: ever known and developing a strong attachment, I could see
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: that maybe that may be happening just pictured all these
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: like ghost dogs running around like Malfoy manner or cats. No,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I think the mouthwas cat people probably.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So obviously the ghosts that we see the most
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: of in Harry Potter are the Hogwarts ghosts, and Hogwarts
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: is considered the most haunted dwelling in Great Britain, which
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: is interesting. So I mean, we know we have the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: four house ghosts, but there's also more in the castle.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: So yeah, how did their like have that many people
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: like died at Hogwarts or like is it that they
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: die and like, I like really had such an affinity
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: for my time in school at Hogwarts, so that's where
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, which maybe.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or it just being like this place where there
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: is so much magic and magical people gathering there.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: And a large community of ghosts like uh m hm,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And I think it's I think too if if in
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: you know, the world of the Wizarding World, if the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: only people that can see and interact with ghosts are
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: witches and wizards. As a ghost, like, I think I
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: would also want to be someplace where people like recognize
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: me and can interact with me. Yeah.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so each Hogwarts house does have a ghost and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: is kind of unclear when there was a decision to
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: like assign ghosts to a house, or if there were
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: ever ghosts in the roles before the four that we
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: know of, because the ones that we know of died
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: well after Hogwarts was founded, so there could have been
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: more before them. Where did those ghosts go? Right?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Because like their ghosts, so it's not like they died
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: and left their position. They retired, I don't know, retired
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and went to a different ghost community.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I can't listen to these kids anymore. I got to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: get out here.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: After like two hundred years. It's enough.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So we have the Gryffindor ghost, which we
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: know is nearly headless. Nick His name and life was
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Sir Nicholas Demmsi Porpington, and he was a member of
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: King Henry the seventh Court. So, according to writings by JK. Rowling,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: he was a bit of a snob and not really
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: as accomplished at magic as he would have liked to
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: have believed, and it was that incompetency that kind of
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: fled to his beheading. He tried to magically beautify a
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: lady in waiting, with quite disastrous results. She ended up
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: sprouting tusks, and Sir Nicholas was executed on October thirty first,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: fourteen ninety two by beheading. Of course, we know that
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't really successful. He was hit in the neck forty
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: five times with a blunt axe, which never completely severed
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: his head from his body, something that he's very hung
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: up on as a ghost, which is also something that
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the Potomoor writings about ghosts kind of goes into is
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: as a ghost, right, you don't have a ton of
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: stuff you have to worry about, the things that probably
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be dwelt on quite so much become your infatuation
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: because he got nothing else to do other than just
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: dwell at him. So for Nick, that is his inability
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to be really actually headless.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that he should think about it
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: more about like, dang, why am I so special that
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: forty five times hitting my neck did not completely sop
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: my head? He should be looking at it in a
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: positive way.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: He should, we should tell him so. The Hufflepuff ghost
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: is the fat Friar, and he was executed when senior
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: churchmen grew suspicious of his ability to cure the pox
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: by prodding people with a stick, which obviously was his
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Wand he also had what JK. Rowling describes as quote
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: an ill advised habit of pulling rabbits out of the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: communion cup bound to raise suspicions, Yeah, for sure, And
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: he is known to be very genial and happy, but
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: he does still hold some resentment that he'll never get
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: to move up the ranks to become cardinal. So that's
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: his regret that he's dealing with.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe he shouldn't have kept pulling the rabbits out
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: of the cup and drawing attention to himself.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: And then, of course raven Claw has the gray Lady
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: in life. She was Helena Ravenclaw, the daughter of the
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Hogwarts founder Rorina Ravenclaw. While she was still Hogwarts age,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: she stole her mother's diadem and ran away to Albania.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: While she was away, her mother became very and on
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: her deathbed sent a man who had long had feelings
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: for Helena to find her and bring her home. The man,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: who we find out is the Bloody Baron, murders Helena
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: when she refuses to return home with him. So he's
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: got some issues.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I mean. And then the fact that she still can't
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: escape him even in death. Mm hmm.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: But uh yeah, yeah, which I mean, could they have
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: chosen to go somewhere other than Hogwarts, Like I always
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: wonder like why did they both go to Hogwarts?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Like well, because it's like, well because right, because I
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: think that was like what I was thinking earlier about, Yeah,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: why is there so many like why do they all
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: go there? Because obviously and like other media forms, right
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: that involve ghosts and stuff like that, Like typically, like
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the reason why you have ghosts haunting a place is
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: not because they chose to go there or chose to
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: stay there. It's more like they died in that house
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: or were murdered in that house or something and they're
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: unable to leave or I think about there's a lot
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: of stories, like in horror films and stuff where there
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: is like a uh, this isn't the right phrase, but
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I can't think of a better way to describe it.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: There is a head ghost that is kind of keeping
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: everybody in that house and they can't escape where it
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: seems like in the Wizarding World, ghosts have a lot
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: of autonomy over whether they become a ghost and where
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: they go as a ghost, which is very different than
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: we typically see. So like, yeah, why does everybody just
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: gravitate towards Hogwarts? And like why wouldn't necessarily like the
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Gray Lady like also want to go to Hogwarts with
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: the person who murdered her. Like, it's very interesting.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: The vibes I kind of get from the Gray Lady though,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: like in the book, is she kind of enjoys like
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: being in the same place as the Bloody Baron and
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that like he has to see her and what he
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: did to her every single day, you know, get like
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: it's really.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Anything, because yeah, I would do the same. Mm hmmm.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I would be like, well you especially if that if
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: like the Bloody Baron like feels any kind of like
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: remorse for it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Well, like just said like he has to wear chains now,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: right right, and we're.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Gonna talk a little bit more about him and his
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: remorse and how that directly ties to why he's dead.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: But I think, yeah, so I think i'd be petty
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: just like her. M h I think of I think
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: of Silver Springs, the song you Know You'll Never get
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: away from the Woman that let Us Go. It's the
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: lyrics God Stevie. I hear her in my head and
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I can't think of the exactly like You'll never get
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: away from the sound of the woman who loves you
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: you know, like that is that is this song personify? Yeah,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: it is Stevie Nix and lindsay, what's his name, Buckingham,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that's his last name in in wizarding form. That could
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: be a good video idea. I wish we had. I
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: wish we had more content of the two of them,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: and then you could like overlay that song of like
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: her saying you know, I like her, I like her
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: and I like her pettiness and.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So so the Bloody Baron a little bit
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: more about him. He had long been enraptured with Helena.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: They were both at Hogwarts together. That's kind of when
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: he fell for But this really turned into an obsession,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: which is what led him to murder her when she
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: refused him for the last time, and then, in his
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: remorse when he realized what he did, he committed suicide
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: with the same knife that he used to take her life,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: and they both returned to Hogwarts as ghosts. The Baron
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: wears chains as a sign of his penance. As the
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Gray Lady tells Harry, I think that's kind of interesting
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: because we know that ghosts in the Wizarding World usually
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: appear how they were at the time of their death,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: so like this added accessory after death is kind of
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that works, but.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Like how did the chains become ghost?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Like mm hmmm, how do you summon ghost chains? Because
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: he couldn't wear real chains because they.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Would go right there touch them, they would just yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: they would just fall through. Huh.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Little little plot hole there.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking though about how like actually kind
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: of traumatizing that is that they appear as they did
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: at the time of their death. Because I mean, obviously
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: when we see like when we see the bloody baron
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and we see the gray lady like in the films,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: like she's like beautiful and in a dress and like,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: you like, it's not like I mean, I guess I
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: don't know where her stabs were, but like it's not
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: like you see that, you know, per se. But I
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: was just thinking about, like, man like people that die
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: in not great ways, like kind of like nearly headless
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: nick with you know, being like beheaded and the fact
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that he can show you it and everything like that,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: and this obviously had you know, murder and stuff like that,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: and manhow traumatizing some of these ghosts could look if
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: they if they died in a more traumatic way.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Which is so interesting because like the way ghosts are
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: presented to us in the Harry Potter books, they're not scary.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Not at all, and even headless neck right, even when
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: he like is like, let me show you my party
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: trick where I can take my head, it's still it's funny.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: It's not scary. But when you but when you look
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: at their story like the Gray Lady and the Bloody Bar,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: and it's actually pretty.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Like it's really messed up and dark and pretty gruesome. Right,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: it's so interesting that, like, I mean, it just shows
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: how the books progressed right from children's books of like, oh,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: isn't this cute and funny? Like each house has a
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Hogwards ghosts and they.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Float there enter the table, was laughing at all the
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: hupp kids.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And then you get to book seven and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, obsessed man killed woman who didn't want
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: him and then killed himself and ready to hear they are.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah mm hmmm, yeah, Well they're my two favorite ghosts.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, like I uh yeah mm hmm. Yeah.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Well but on a more like you know, wholesome note,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: we have Professor Binns.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: So obviously there's the four ghost, but there are additional
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: ones at Hogwarts, and one of those ones that we
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: know of is Cuthbert Bins, who teaches history of magic.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And I mean he'll presumably like just never retire because
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: death isn't keeping him from his.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Job, So what else is he going to do? Like,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: what else is he gonna do?
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Right, He's got all the time in the world now,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: So we know Professor Binns died in his sleep in
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: a chair in the staff room and then just like
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: got up and went to go teach his lesson, left
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: his body behind in the chair. It's never really said
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: whether or not he even realizes he's a ghost. He
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: just kind of carries on with how he was in life.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: But he does enter the class through the blackboards, so
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I would say he's probably aware that something's not quite right.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Right, Like I can walk through this object and it
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't smack me in the Yeah, yeah, he's I'm so
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: excited to get you know, Professor Binns in the TV show.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I think that like that's such a really sad that
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: we didn't get, you know, obviously, I mean it makes
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: sense why we didn't get some of these ghosts in
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the films because I'm sure, especially from a uh CGI
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: and budgeting perspective, like there's a lot that goes into that.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: And so I'm excited that we'll get to see this
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: in the TV show because Yeah, I think it's I
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: think it's hilarious and I think that it's funny. Because JK.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Rowling had shared in the original Potomore writings a little
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: bit about her inspiration for Professor Bins, which was an
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: old professor that she had at university who would give
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: every lecture with his eyes closed and kind of just
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: rock back and forth slightly on his toes, and she
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: also shared in that Potomore writing that you know, this
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: professor he gave a lot of valuable information during his lectures,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: but he just was largely disconnected from his students, which
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: is exactly how we see with Professor Binn's right. It's
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: like Professor Binn just goes in he lectures almost completely
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: unaware that he's actually teaching a class and their students there,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: and then just seems very surprised when they start asking
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: him questions. And I think we I also wonder, you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: we question whether he knows if he's a ghost. I
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: think he also like doesn't realize that like he's teaching
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: the living students either, And it's like wait what Like
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: it's just it's such a very interesting dynamic with him.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I think yes, and only at Hogwarts, right, would you
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: have one of your professors be like a literal ghost?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Like how does that work salary wise? Like, I mean
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: do they still pay him? He can't really do anything
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: with the money, right, Like he doesn't need the money.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: He's it helps them save their budget. Yeah, he's not volunteering.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: It's like the opposite of the Defense against the Dark
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Arts post. They will never have to fill the history
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: of magic job.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Even if they want to get rid of him again,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: it's like it's like what we were talking about earlier
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: when the house ghosts, right, Like what was the application
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: process for that? Like what what what if something happens
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: and you want to fire them and get rid of them?
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Like what like what like yeah, what if what if
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: they needed to like put him on like disciplinary action
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: or something and like fire him like he's dead, he's
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: a ghost, Like what are you going to do?
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine they actually do hire a living teacher
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and this poor teacher is trying to give his lesson
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: and then just Professor Binns flows through the blackboard and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: just keeps talking. That was like battle and Professor Binns
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: is totally unaware.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a better off just like I mean, I
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: think to this day, Professor Binson is just there teaching
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: his his classes. And but like do we think like
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: does he do like does he ever change his lectures
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: or is he just teaching the same thing? Like does
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: he update his lectures? Because obviously now History of Magic
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: also has like the Battle of Hogwarts and everything, Like
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: does he even know that happen even though he was there? Like,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: like does he did he add that to his lessons plans?
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Does he do research to keep up in his field?
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Or is he just I got a lot.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Of questions, right, History is always like evolving chapters.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if I picture him sitting in
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: his office like doing additional learning.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Nope, he's still just talking about the Goblin Wars.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: You guys don't need to know about anything else. Just
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: read the book. Just read History of Magic. You've got it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Oh that's funny. So another ghost Hogwarts that we know
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: of is of course moaning Myrtle. So, Myrtle Warren was
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: a student at Hogwarts during Tom Riddle's years at the school,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: and when he let the basilisk out the first time,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Myrtle was the one fatality. She died in the girl's bathroom,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: which was the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets, and
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Myrtle was in the bathroom crying because a classmate, Olive Hornby,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: had made fun of her classes. Myrtle decided to stick
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: around to haunt Olive Hornby as revenge, but the Ministry
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: stepped in to keep her from harassing her old classmate,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: so she came back to Hogwarts.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I want to know like what the ministry did to like,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: because like, how do you like Again, it's like the
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: same thing like with Professor Binns, right, if you need
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: to give some kind of disciplinary action to somebody, like,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: how do you do it when they're dead?
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Like, how do you enforce that?
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you enforce it? Like? Well, I think
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: it's I think what's interesting too about Myrtle is that
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: she's kind of more like what we typically see with
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: a ghost, right, like being murdered somewhere and then kind
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: of you know, obviously, again, she still made the choice
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: to stick around to you know, obviously kind of get
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: her revenge on Olive. But also it's it's more of
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: that traditional story of like this person was murdered in
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: this place and now they are kind of stuck and
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: staying where they were murdered.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Right, Like, she doesn't have to live in a toilet.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: She could literally go anywhere in the castle. But she's
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, right right.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: I mean obviously, like, well, you know, we see her
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: like venture out a little bit, like when she decides
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: to you know, take a little bath with Harry and
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: the prefect's bath. But yeah, she's she's a fun character
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: and yeah. JK. Rowling actually shared some inspiration for owning
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Myrtle as well in the original Potomer writings, where she
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: shared that, you know, she was thinking about when she
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: used to go to parties and discos in her youth
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: and she'd go into the girl's bed. Yeah, and she
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: used to go into the girl's bathroom and there was
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: always a crying girl in the bathroom, And uh that
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: is true. I mean I feel like I remember like
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: young when I was younger, and we used to have like, yeah,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: you would go to like the roller rank or even
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: when we used to go to I remember there's a
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: like a club that was around here that used to
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: do like eighteen and under nights or whatever.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: There was always a girl crying in the bathroom.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Always in college, Like in the bar you went to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: the bathroom, there was inevitably some girl crying always.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: And so I completely knew what she was talking about here.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: It's a formative experience in life, and yeah, and so
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: that was her inspiration for Myrtle and having Myrtle moaning
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: and crying in the bathroom because it, yeah, reminded her
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: of all the other girls she saw moaning and crying
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: in the bathroom throughout her younger years. I thought that
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: was funny, poor Myrtle.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Oh boy. Something I didn't put in the notes. But
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: also in those same potomore writings, JK. Rowling did mention
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: a couple ghosts that she originally had written in the
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: books and then cut out. I thought they were kind
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: of funny. There's like one Victorian ghost who like was poisoned,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I believe, but he like stands in the Great Hall
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: entrance and sometimes like stop students from going in because
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: he's jealou us that they could eat.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: That would be like I could see me doing that,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Like I could see me just like floating around in
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: the Great Hall, just like watching everybody eat this food,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: and just like I'm gonna make your life hell because
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: you can eat that and I can't.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: And then there was some toad that like haunts the
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: classroom and like jumps around and leaves some sort of
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: like extoplasma.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, that is terrifying. That would scare me more than
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: any like human.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Ghost ghost toads.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that. I'm glad that she asked
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: that one. Yeah, I do think the concept of, like,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: you know, including these ghosts and including Hogwarts ghosts and
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: everything is really fun. And I do like the idea
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: of like every house having a ghost, Like I think that,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: you know, regardless of us not knowing how that tradition started,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I think it's fun. Mm hm.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: So that kind of brings us to like how to
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: become a ghost, obviously we talked about earlier. It's kind
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: of unclear how one actually decides to come back as
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: a ghost, but we do know from nearly Headless next
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: conversation with Harry in the Order of the Phoenix that
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: it is a choice, like it's not like you die
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: and then boom, you're a ghost. Like there's a choice
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: that goes into it, which makes Professor Binns even more interesting,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: right because that had to be like a subconscious choice
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: to come back.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: And like I have so many questions about that, right
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: because like, right, exactly that one. How do you make
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: the choice? Does it have to be this thing where
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: you verbally say, like at the time of death, like
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I wish to become a ghost and then it works
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: or like obviously, like right, I think about like so
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: you know me, I like to always compare things to
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: other media, as other franchises, and I think about Star
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Wars in this scenario, right, because for Jedi to come
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: back as a force ghost, like there's a lot of
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: you know there we learn about like Qui gon Jin
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: like is the one he you know, figured out how
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: to do this and how to come back as a ghost,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: and like you have to also like teach others how
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: to come back as a force ghost. And it's like
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: you don't just die and come back as a force ghost.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Like there's a process and there's a reason why not
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: everybody comes back as a force ghost. So like, yeah,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: what is the process here was there planning that you
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: had to do? Like is there? I don't know? And
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: then it's just like yeah, like how do you make
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: that choice? And also when do you have to make
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: that choice? Do you have like a critical window like
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: you just died and you've got like a minute or
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: less to make that choice, right, otherwise you lose the
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: ability to make the choice. I bet you there's some
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: kind of time requirement there, Like you can't just be
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: dead for five years and then decide, oh, I want
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: to become a ghost now, or maybe you can who else?
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Nearly headless. Nick makes it sound like it is like
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: an immediate choice because he's like, well, no, like serious,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: isn't going to come back? I don't know. He also
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: says that it's not like a choice the wisest Wizards
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: make kind of acknowledging that it's not a great choice
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: and that some who do make that decision to come
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: back regret it later.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I mean, there's not a way
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: to like reverse it once you make it choice.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I could see that though, because I think it's like
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: very similar to like other like how we see ghosts
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: being portrayed in other media. I mean, rarely is it
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: ever seen as like a positive thing. And obviously, like
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: the plot of a lot of stories right about haunted
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: houses and stuff like that, is trying to like free
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: the spirits in the house and free the ghosts and
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: like like.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: They're hanging on to something well, and.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like, right, if you think about it,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: like do you want to for literally the rest of
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: eternity be stuck in the same place, like not able
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: to really do anything? That to me kind of sounds
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: like a little bit of like personal health.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: So I really don't have a purpose anymore.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: No, And you're like, right, We've got these ghosts right
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: that are looking at all these kids eating this delicious
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: food and you remember when you used to be able
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: to eat food and you can't eat food anymore, and
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: you're just like right, it's kind of like what are you, Like, yes,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: you're still around, but like what are you doing? What
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: is your purpose? Right? Like you said, you don't really
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: have one? And to know that like literally that's just
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: your existence for ever.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting too, because because they chose to come
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: back as a ghost, they really don't know what actually
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: happens after death, So there could have been a better
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: door number two, yes, but they were too scared of
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: what that could be that they chose an imitation of
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: what they already knew, that of taking the unknown.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: But I think I also, like obviously as a human
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: who like sometimes has like really scary thoughts about the
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: fact that we all have more tech, like we are
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: all mortal beings, And I think about that, I can
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: see where that thought comes to from them, right, because
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: I think in real life humans do become not necessarily
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, some become more obsessed than others, but like,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think at some point all humans do
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: have thoughts about it, right, because it's something that we
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: know that unfortunately is coming for all of us, and
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: we don't know what happens after. And you know, once
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: you know, you can't it's not like everybody comes back
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: from after and tells us like what it's like, and
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: so you know, you have those thoughts and sometimes like
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: you do, it's like when people ask, like, if you
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: had the choice to be like become a mortal, like,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: would you because and there's some people I think that
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: would say like I'm so afraid of the unknown, or
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: I'm so afraid of dying or what comes after death,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: that I would choose to be a mortal because I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: know what life is and I know, like, like I
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: know what this is, right, and I think it's like
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: that same kind of thought for them, especially like when
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: you said that people can choose to become ghosts in
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: the Wizarding World because they're afraid of death. It is
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: that choice of what you already know, but like you said,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: you know it could be door number two is actually
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: the better option in that moment, which again leads me
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: to believe though that there is probably this like you
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: have to instantly make the choice, because otherwise you could
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: make the choice to like finish the process and see
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: where you go and then be like, Okay, now that
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I'm there, I actually want to go back and live
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: out the rest of my life at Hogwarts, and I
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: feel like that's probably not what happens, right.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: And there's like in the books, there's a lot of
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: weight given to like not fearing death, right, and kind
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: of like if you can get to that point of
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: not fearing death, you're considered like wise and like better
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: off than say Tom Riddle, who couldn't get over that fear.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: And basically destroyed himself with that fear. So yeah, you know, I.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Have to think about it too. Actually, it's like that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: is such a theme here, right because even going back
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: to what we were talking about earlier with you know,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: getting getting to see Nicholas Flamel and the TV show,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: it's the same thing, right, like having this developing this
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: elixir so that you never die like at the end
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: of that, Like it all stems from this like fear
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: of death and this fear of like leaving behind what
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: you already know. And that is such a theme in
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: these books, right from the very beginning to you know,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: all the way at the very end, you know, when
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: you know Harry is at the at you know, death's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: door and asking about it, you know. And yeah, I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: think my other like question too though, is are are
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: witches and wizards are they like prepped for this, Like
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: are they taught like, hey, at the moment you die,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: you have ten seconds to decide if you want to
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: come back as a ghost or is it something where
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: you have to like learn that yourself, like you just
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: dabble in research and you know, it's kind of like
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: how not everybody becomes an animagus even though they could
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: they could go through the process obviously. Yeah, I just
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: wonder if they know they have that choice. How do
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: they learn they have that choice? Is it people like
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: nearly headless Nick telling people like he tells Harry it's
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: a choice. Would Harry never have learned that if a
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: ghost didn't tell him that, Like, how do they I
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: just have questions, like, how do they know that that's
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: an option for them?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Like at a certain point, is it just like naturally
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: people start kind of asking questions.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Or yeah, or like hey, how did you become a ghost?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Like you know, and it's just like this passed down
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: knowledge that not everybody knows or is it something where yeah,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: they're taught. You know. One aspect of us being witches
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: and wizards is at the time of your death, you
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: can make a very quick choice if you want to stay, like.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, all right. So we talked about ghosts,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: and I kind of wanted to keep Peeves separate because
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: he's not really a ghost, but I do want to
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: talk about him a little bit because obviously Poulter guys
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: are still hauntings. So Poulter guys exist in the wizarding
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: world as well as you know, all these tales that
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: we have of them in our world. We know of Peeves,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: of course, I'm sure there's more. In German, Poltergeist means
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: noisy ghost, and these spirits are usually considered different from ghosts,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: more of like a collection of energy than an apparition,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: and many versions of Poltergei's folklore have these particular spirits
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: more attached to or drawn to children due to their
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: high emotions, which feeds the spirit. And so it kind
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: of makes sense that like a wizard boarding school would
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: attract a palter guyst like think of hundreds of students,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: there plenty of fuel for the fire. Peeves, as we
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: see in the books, is much more like innocently mischievous
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: than some pop culture depictions of Paltergeist, like the film Paltergeist.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: So in the Wizarding World, palter Guys are described as
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: quote indestructible spirits of chaos, and unlike the ghosts of
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: the Wizarding World, palter Guys seem to have a more
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: solid physical form. They're not silvery gray like ghosts are,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: but are in full color. They can be touched by
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: physical objects, as we see when the gum flies up
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Peeves nostril and these always tampering with like door knobs
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: and stuff, right, so they can physically touch things, they
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: can also be affected by spells, whereas ghosts cannot. Yeah,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: so I really, really, really really hope we get Peeves
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: in the TV show because pee I.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Think we will. I think that I have seen the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: creators of the show mentioned Peeves specifically when talking about
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: how they have this opportunity to bring things from the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: books that were in the films, And yeah, I mean
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: a character like Peeves is just like I feel like
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: meat like cinema, like it works perfectly for that. So yeah,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: I'm really excited for that as well.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: And and he just adds to the quirky aspects of
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: the Wizarding World and I love that. So I really
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: really hope we get like these random scenes of Peeves
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: messing around in the hallways, because why.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: Not we know he's there, he's doing it.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: I also have like a lot of questions about like
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Poultergeist and the wizard World and stuff too, and like yeah,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: like how do they just come from? Like where does
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: this energy come from that then creates this Poulter Like
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: what what were they before? Like?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Right, because like on like a ghost he wasn't like
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: a living person before like that, but.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Asks like a person Like it's just very interesting and like, yeah,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: where did what was that energy before? Before it kind
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: of all came together to form Peeves? Right?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Is it like the end energy of like all the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: troublemakers in the school and then it just like clumps
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: together and makes Peeves And he's like the personification of
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: that all.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: The mischieft makers over the years. I mean maybe, I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: mean it's like it's it actually reminds me a lot
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: of like an obscuristling in a way of like just
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: this collection of energy that kind of forms. And I
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: think we have a lot of questions too about like
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: how does the obscurists itself actually like form and like
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: and all of that. It's it's like the same, It's
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: all the same, like how does it form? Where was
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: it before? What is it after? It's Peeves just always
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: going to be Peeves? And like I think especially like
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: knowing that they can be affected by spells, like can
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: you like a vata cadavra, a polkergeist? Like do they
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: need to be worried about that? You know what I mean?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Like McGonagall just gets so frustrated with me, and she's
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: just so done with him that like bye, you.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I think he's lucky that Filch is a squib.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Otherwise I think he'd be hit with a lot more spells.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, I don't know. Yeah, I just have a
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: lot of questions about that. Yeah, is it only certain
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: spells that can affect them? Is it all of them?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Like how does the spell like actually affect them, like right,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: and the fact that they're in like full color, Like
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: does it look like a person just floating around right?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's it's like a person, but they're flying
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: like a ghost. I'm really curious to see how they Yeah,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: how they portray Peeves in the show, because again, like
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: you mentioned that, he is very very different form. Like
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: I've watched so many films and seen so many different
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: TV shows and stuff that have poltergeist in them, and
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: he is very, like you said, very different than how
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: they're traditionally seen.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: So, in addition to Hogwarts, we know that there are
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: probably other hauntings. If Hogwarts is considered the most haunted,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: then I'm sure there's plenty more places that have ghosts,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: and there's also ghost stories because we do know of
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: the Shrieking Shack and the fact that the story of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: it being haunted is actually a cover for when Lupin's
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: there as a werewolf when he was at school. So,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: just like our world, the Wizarding World sometimes uses ghost
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: stories to cover what's actually going on and come up
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: with like a reason behind things. What's interesting to me
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: about that, though, is Hogsmead is an all wizarding village.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: So these are witches and wizards believing in this ghost
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: story enough to like not go near this abandoned building.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: But why if ghosts in the Wizarding World can't actually
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: do anything, why are they so scared of going near
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: the Shrieking Shack?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that I think that, like, there
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: probably are some bad ghosts in the Wizarding World though,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: I mean imagine like all the dark witches and wizards
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: that we have, and if they decide to come back
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: as a ghost, and I also feel like they probably
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: have more motivation to come back as a ghost, you know,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: like to continue their whatever. And I think that, you know,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: even though they might not be able to like fully
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: interact with objects in a way that ghosts can, and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: like other stories, and so maybe that makes them less scary.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: But like, I also think that again, I think we're
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: kind of the ghosts that we see and kind of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: interact with the most in the story are actually pretty
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: friendly and not scary and not threatening, But I don't
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: think that means that there aren't some that are, and
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: especially like if they're if witches and wizards are kind
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: of brought up with some ghost stories that are more scary,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: I could see them developing a fear over like those
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: ghosts that like actually are scary, which could maybe be
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: playing a role here is that there is still some
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: fear around those more ghosts, or like if there are
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: more like demonic type ghosts in the Wizarding World, which
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: again I imagine that there are, especially if the Wizarding World
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: just seems like a very like haunted place, like it
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: just seems like a like like you said, right, if
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Hogwarts is the most haunted dwelling in Great Britain, like,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: there's gotta be a lot more that are also haunted
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: in some in some degree.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Well, it makes you wonder too if the power of
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: a witch er wizard in life translates to how powerful
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: they can be as a ghost.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Should have stayed as a ghost, he would have had
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: a real powerful ghost I feel like.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Right, because then some of those like more dark which
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: is in wizards, who maybe have a little bit more
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: power in the dark arts, they could maybe mess with
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: people a little bit more as a ghost and say
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: nearly headless Nick, who obviously wasn't really the best as spells, right.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Right, I think, man, can you imagine the biggest plot
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: twist ever Harry thinks he like defeated Baltimore and then
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Baltimore comes back as a ghost. Yeah, just kidding. I
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: just had that thought when we were talking about that.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I could see that that you're you're or
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: also to like kind of like when I was mentioning
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: before about in Star Wars, like Jedi like studying and
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: learning like how to come back as a forest ghost.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Like I wonder if there's you know, people that kind
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: of study like being a ghost or like pre plan
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: you know, to be a ghost or you know, at
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, they're still magic, right, And
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: so I think, like, are there spells that can be developed?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Is there incantations? Like is there things that can be
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: developed in a magical way to basically make the ghost
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: like evolve or you know, you become a more evolved
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: ghost than somebody else, Like, is there this underground society
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: of which is a wizards that are studying this? Is
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: there a room in the Department of Mystery is like
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: going back to that episode that we did that's studying,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: you know, the afterlife and for a witcher wizard like,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's always that opportunity for them to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: evolve because they're magic based at the end of the day.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I wonder if that's why they have the
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: veil at the Department of Mysteries of like they're trying
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: to go through the veil to see what the other
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: option is and then come back and report back of
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: like what it is, so people know what they're choosing
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: between ghost and whatever is behind the veil. But obviously
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: they've been unsuccessful coming back through the veil, so still
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: nobody knows, right or.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: I think we talked too about even studying if there's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: a way that we can harness the ability to walk
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: between both worlds versus like, right, you have this split
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: second to make this decision and you have to stick
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: with that decision for the rest of your life. Could
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: they be studying is that true. Do we have to
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: make that decision and stick with it? Yeah, I think
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: for sure, because I mean it makes complete sense to
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: me that there would be people in the wizarding world
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: very intrigued by this topic and very intrigued in studying
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: it more and trying to figure it out. And yeah,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: I can see that either way. I guess that's a
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: little bit of a tangent of where we started with that.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: But I think it still comes down to the fact
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: that I think that just as there's good witches and
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: wizards and bad witch is in Wizards, I think there's
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: probably good which in wizard ghosts and bad which in
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: wizard ghosts, which would make sense that outside of Hogwarts,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think we would ever have any like real
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: bad ghosts in Hogwarts. I'm sure that there's some way
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: or some spell or some I can just picture Dumbledore
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: like having a way to like banish those.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: At night, like in his robe, and.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: You know, or is there like an entry an entry
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: exam or an entry something. You know, It's like, do
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: these ghosts to show up on the doorstep of Hogwarts
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: being like, Hey, I want to live out the rest
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: of my days here. Is there a vetting process, you
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, like, is there something there? And
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: so I can imagine that there's a lot of bad
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: ghosts that are not able to be in some place
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: like Hogwarts, and so where are they occupying? Where are
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: they haunting? And I think that those could very much
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: be the inspiration for the ghost stories and could be
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: the inspiration for this village of witches and wizards to
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: have this fear. Imagine like these little English villages, right,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: and there's like an actual ghost that's just been terrorizing
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: and haunting that village for centuries. I can see how
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: that could create this like you know story amongst people
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: that gets passed on like folklore stories and wives tales
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: and stuff, and it's just yeah, and they've got this
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: shack that's just got this, and it's like, we don't
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: want to go anywhere near that, because who the heck
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: knows what that is? Right when a at the end
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: of the day, it's just a werewolf. M you know,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, arguably more scary than a ghost.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, so that's really all we have ghosts,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: but super interesting topic.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's interesting because it's similar to like when
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: we talk about time travel in the Wizarding World. I
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: think these topics are always interesting because they're they are
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: I don't want to use the word topic again in
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: that sentence, but I don't know how else. I don't
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: know how else to describe it. But they are topics
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: that we see throughout different It's not specific to the
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Wizarding World. That's what I'm trying to say, right, Like,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: time travel is not specific to Harry Potter and the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Wizarding World. Ghosts and hauntings is definitely not just something
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: that's part of Harry Potter in the Wizarding World. But
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's always interesting to see. It's like every story, movie, book,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: TV series, whatever form of medium that uses time travel
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: or ghosts or werewolves or whatever, has this ability to
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: kind of play around with it, and at the end
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: of the day, the top it is still like the same.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: At the core level, We're still talking about ghosts, and
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: these ghosts still have some of the same properties of
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: ghosts that we see in other forms, right, But I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: think it's always interesting to see how different stories utilize
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: this common theme or topic or thing. But like just
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: play around with it a little bit and play around
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: with the logistics of it and the properties of it
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: to fit that story or that world. Like I don't
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: even know if I'm making sense, Like I think it's
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: just interesting to see, like the ghosts that we see
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: in the Wizarding World are still ghosts, but they have
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: some properties of them that we don't see in other
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: ghost stories. And so I think it's really interesting how
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: in Harry Potter they really are in a lot of
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: ways like tied to magic, right, like in saying that, okay,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: like muggles can't become a ghost, like you have to
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: be a witcher wizard. And I just think that's really interesting.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: And then again it brings up all those questions that
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: we asked that you know, we'll never get answers to about,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: you know, how does this actually happen? And you know, so, yeah,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. I think it's very interesting as well.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: And specialis Orvilio.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: So for this episode's rotating segment, I thought it'd be
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: cool to do a Specialis Rebellio and kind of dig
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit more into the etymology of some of
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: like the ghost and ghost adjacent characters that we just
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: talked about, and you know, obviously in the main section
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: as well, we had some etymology around some things as well.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: But in digging around, I was able to find a
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: couple interesting things about etymology of a couple of our
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: house ghosts and peeves. There wasn't one for all of them.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: And I don't know two of this is necessarily even
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: like true etymology. I just thought it was kind of
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: like fun. But I found for Helena Ravenclaw that the
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: name Helena is a Latin form of Helen, the name Helen,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: which the name Helen is derived from the Greek eleni.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: I don't exactly know how. I don't know Greek, so
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: I'm probably not pronouncing that right, but that word means
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: torch or like corpuisant. I think, like Saint Elmo's fire
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: kind of thing, like a source of light. And I
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: thought that was kind of like interesting thinking about that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, again, that could have not been JK. Rowlings
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  Speaker 2: like thought at all when thinking about naming her Helena,
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  Speaker 2: like I don't know if she you know, thought like
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: I want to, I like this the source of and
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: her being like a source of light. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if maybe we can say that Helena Raymond Claw
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  Speaker 2: is a source of light. I don't know I thought
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  Speaker 2: that was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it more refers to like not so much
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Helena the person, but Helena the ghost form of like
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: like the gray Lady, the like silvery light of a ghost.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it was like like this like foreshadowing of her.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that she she is this important
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: part of the story though right like obviously at the end,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: like she Without her, we don't find all of like
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: the horror cruxes. And so I think too that she
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: plays a role in that way that like none of
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: the other ghosts do or the house ghosts do, Like
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: she's very integral to like the ending of this story.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: And she I think we could say she's kind of
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: like a source of light in terms of like knowledge
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: if we wanted to really stretch there for Harry and
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: her story and all of that is important for Harry.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: So I thought that was interesting. And then I found
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: for Nearly Headless Nick. I really liked this because so
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: the name Nicholas is from the Greek name Nikolaus, which
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: means victory of the people. And I don't know if
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: that necessarily like goes to him so much, but I
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: found this what I this made me chuckle, and I
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: thought that this was really great for him, is that,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: you know, the nickname of Nick, which is obviously the
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: most common nickname for Nicholas, is a very ironic nickname,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: especially for you know, nearly headless nick because in addition
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: to the word nick being a name, it also means
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: to wound or cut slightly.
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  Speaker 1: But not all the way.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly, you know, think of you know, I just nicked
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: myself while shaving, right, We say that all the time. Oh,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: I just nicked the paint on my car, you know,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: you just a little bit, right. And you know, the
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: irony here is that Nick was uh nicked a little
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: bit in his neck and uh, I mean it was
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: more than a slight cut, but it also wasn't a
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: full cut. I saw that. I was like, that is
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: hilarious and that is perfect and I can't imagine him
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: being named anything else because he was, yeah, nicked a
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: little in his neck and then yeah, so then we
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: I know, you had mentioned kind of like the etymology
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: of like a Poulter guy, and so I thought it'd
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: be interesting to kind of look at the etymology of
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Peeves in his name, and it fits perfectly for him. It,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because Peeves I don't know if Peace
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: has a gender. I don't know if he's referred to it.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: We keep saying he at Peeves. So peeve means little
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: devil or something that's personally annoying or a personal dislike.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: So think of like a pet peeve. And I think
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: that that's a pretty great way to describe Peeves. And
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: the word peevish also means disagreeable or bad tempered, which
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: I also think describes Peeves pretty much to a tee.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: So yeah, So I thought that those little bits of
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: etymology I was able to find on them were pretty interesting.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Love it's nice, all right. So last episode we asked
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: you the question do you think the Malfoys have redeemable
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: qualities or are they just evil? And we got a
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: few answers on Instagram, So happily. Katie ninety one on
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Instagram says, Draco and Narcissa, yes, Lucius, maybe fair enough.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: That's pretty said too.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: Uh huh. Mary's commander on Instagram said they do have
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: redeeming qualities, but they're not good people.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, yeah, And then Jerry emailed us, and
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: Jerry says, in thinking about the Malfoy family and if
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: one or more.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: Is slash r red for Lucius. I vote no for Lucious.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: No boy, just get it. But I agree with all
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: of you. Yes, he is definitely the least redeemable.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Jerry goes on to say during the episode, it was
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: speculated that he hadn't been sure how the diary was
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: going to impact Ginny, an eleven year old girl to
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: whom he presented the diary. He might not have known
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: just what was going to happen, but he certainly knew
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: or believed that something dreadful was going to happen at
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Hogwarts due to that diary. He talked about what dreadful
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: things are going to happen to someone Draco, Narcissa or
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: question Mark, so that Dobby overheard and came to believe
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: that it was going to be so dangerous that Dobby
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: had to stop Harry Potter from going to school that year,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: and then to hurt Harry so that he would be
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: sent home where it was safer, since quote, better maimed
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: than dead. So Lucius presented little Jinny with something that
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: he believed was going to be deadly to some of
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: the students at Hogwarts. For that alone, I believe that
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Lucius Malfoy isn't redeemable fair enough? Yeah, And then Jerry says,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: as to his wife and son, perhaps their bits of
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: good or redeemable come from the Black family influence. After all,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: there had actually been quite a few good members of
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: the Black Family over the years. We have Serious and Andromeda,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: mother of Tonks, then Regulus, who saved creature and defied
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: the Dark Lord, and the various other members of the
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: family who Serious his mom had blasted off the tapestry,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: including the uncle who left Serious money to be independent.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: So the fact that Narcissa loves her son and Draco
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: is unable to kill Dumbledore, feels badly about endangering his
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: fellow students, and eventually marries for love and loves his
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: son may be the result of her Black family blood
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: diluting the bad faith of the Malfloyce. I like that.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: I like that theory too, and it really like it
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: also kind of it makes sense with I think how
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: like the author would also think of it as well,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: because think about like, at the end of the day,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: like Harry, the reason Harry is what he is is
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: because of like a mother's love and like a blood.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: And her blood in his veins.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So I think that for jk Rowling, like
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: like she does put this emphasis on blood magic. We
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: see it a lot and the blood yes, mother's and
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: familial blood chilure, Yes, protecting and having the ability to protect.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Think you're onto something, Jerry.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: I like it. Good stuff And.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: We totally make sense to why. I mean, we talked
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: about that right a lot in the episode about how
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: like is narciss so really as bad as like we
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: always think of her as just because she's a malfoy
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: like I I mean, obviously you all know, I like
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: defended her pretty heavily like in that episode, and I
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: think that, yeah, I think at the end of the day, right,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: she's a malfoy by marriage. So hm. So for this episode,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: we obviously asked a lot of questions about ghosts and
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: the logistics around them, and so we want to know
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: what questions do you have about ghosts in the Weszarding world.
• 1:31:48
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• 1:31:50
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• 1:32:16
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• 1:32:20
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• 1:32:25
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• 1:32:32
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• 1:32:35
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• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: And happy Halloween.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody, hope you don't run into an imprint of
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: a departed soul.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: Well, Halloween is like the one night where you like
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: unless you want to, right and hopefully if you do,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: there's somebody dressed as one, not like an actual one
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: unless you're into that kind of thing and you're a
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: ghost hunter.
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  Speaker 1: All right, until next time, I'm Amy and I'm Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: Is it a man? I asked