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Melissa Rivers: A Peek Inside Life In The Public Eye · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rachel, you could tell. So I have
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  Speaker 1: been trying to get this woman on for a long
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  Speaker 1: time and finally was able to. It was such an honor.
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  Speaker 1: But you guys, this is like such an embarrassment because
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  Speaker 1: when I was almost done with the interview, I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 1: we've gotten an... almost an hour into the interview. I
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  Speaker 1: was doing it alone in my house. I had my
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  Speaker 1: producer and my editors in the living room holding my
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  Speaker 1: dogs because they kept barking and making noises. So it
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  Speaker 1: was the one time I've done an interview all alone
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  Speaker 1: in my room. I had done three that day and
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to believe it, but my computer died
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  Speaker 1: while I was in the middle of talking to her.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just warning you, you're going to hear a
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  Speaker 1: little abrupt ending at the end, but we are basically
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  Speaker 1: done with our interview. I could have asked a couple
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  Speaker 1: more questions. I could have kept talking, but I do
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  Speaker 1: know that her phone was blowing up, as was mine,
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  Speaker 1: and it was fine to end it there because we
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  Speaker 1: got such a good conversation out of her. But obviously,
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  Speaker 1: as you all know, Melissa Rivers is a very interesting woman.
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  Speaker 1: She's a businesswoman, a single mother, and the daughter of
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  Speaker 1: the iconic Joan Rivers. And Melissa opens up about standing
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  Speaker 1: out on her own, her family, dealing with grief in
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  Speaker 1: the public eye. She also gives a glimpse into her
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  Speaker 1: time on Celebrity Apprentice, which she did with her mother,
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  Speaker 1: and what it was like to interact and be friends
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  Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. She also talks about classic fashion police
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  Speaker 1: days with her mom when Joan held nothing back. She
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  Speaker 1: also gets into what her mother would have thought about
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  Speaker 1: life as we know it now. Things like COVID and
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump becoming president. So I think you guys will
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  Speaker 1: these episodes. So guys, get ready for Melissa Rivers. Melissa,
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  Speaker 1: I just interviewed Mariah Harmony Torres. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: From Pitbulls and Parolees. She did an interview with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My owner's a celebrity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you ever watch that show?
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  Speaker 3: I watch very strange things.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, what do you watch?
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  Speaker 3: I am a big true crime person, which isn't so
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  Speaker 3: strange anymore. Yeah. A lot of documentaries and I am
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  Speaker 3: addicted to Below Deck. Really? All of them.
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 1: That's so interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Have you- Because it's so good.
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  Speaker 1: Have you done the show?
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  Speaker 3: I don't watch Housewives. I don't watch Vanderpump. I don't
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  Speaker 3: watch any of the other ones, but Below Deck- Your intel. Beyond. Beyond. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I've gotten my boyfriend who is a litigator so
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  Speaker 3: into it. It's so funny. He's like, what is this?
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  Speaker 3: And now he's like, is it on? Like he's gone
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  Speaker 3: back and watched all the seasons.
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  Speaker 1: So it's funny regarding true crime. I watched the ID
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  Speaker 1: network religiously. For years. I was obsessed. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: would sometimes not go on a date because like my
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  Speaker 1: favorite show was on or something.
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  Speaker 3: I understand. I, by the way, I understand that completely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And even now I think to myself, oh, it's Friday
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  Speaker 1: or Saturday, like date night, date line is on or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And it's one I really want to see.
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  Speaker 3: Or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I have to really, I'm not dating anyone right now.
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  Speaker 1: So it's funny. It's like, I have to decide if
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  Speaker 1: I want to go on a date or if I'd
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  Speaker 1: rather watch the true crime thing that's on that night.
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  Speaker 3: Usually the true crime.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it becomes a complete waste.
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  Speaker 3: Of my life. Wait, I just sent my boyfriend something
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  Speaker 3: really funny this morning. I just have to look it
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  Speaker 3: up really fast. Oh, I sent him a thing that said,
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  Speaker 3: keep your marriage fresh by writing each other love notes.
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  Speaker 3: Like I considered smothering you with a pillow last night,
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  Speaker 3: but I didn't. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I considered putting antifreeze in your coffee, but I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: And he wrote back, love you too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. That's so funny. All right, so we're recording.
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  Speaker 3: But that's one of the things we bonded over was
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  Speaker 3: our love of true crime.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's amazing. How'd you guys meet?
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  Speaker 3: At an event.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, nice. Okay, but not at any crime scene or anything.
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  Speaker 3: No, but I would have really like, that would have
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  Speaker 3: been a super cool story.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's funny. So we have a mutual friend, David Yontiff.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we do.
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  Speaker 1: Who, by the way, when I first did his show,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing he said to me when we started
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  Speaker 1: the interview is, you know, you look exactly like Melissa Rivers.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God. I'm so sorry he said that. You
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  Speaker 3: are so much prettier. Stop it. No, you are. You are.
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  Speaker 1: That's very true.
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  Speaker 3: I am not delusional. So I apologize.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, cut it out. No, it was such an honor
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  Speaker 1: to be in the same sentence as you. So I
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  Speaker 1: thought that was very funny. And thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I so don't see myself that way.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you are very beautiful. So it's a compliment to me.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: But it's interesting because I know you have a monthly
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  Speaker 1: podcast episode or whatever with him on reality TV.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, our reality roundup where he brings me up to
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  Speaker 3: speed on a lot of things and we have lots
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  Speaker 3: of discussion. And he's like the housewives and Vanderpump expert.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like the below deck expert.
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  Speaker 1: Right, got it. So we've started to do that, not
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  Speaker 1: as often. I mean, my podcast hasn't been around as long,
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  Speaker 1: so we've only done it twice. But I was curious
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  Speaker 1: because whenever I talk to him about reality TV, or
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  Speaker 1: recently I just had on Vanessa Reiser, who's the ex-fiance
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  Speaker 1: of Louis Roules, whatever his name is, from Housewives of
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey. And by the way, I don't really watch
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  Speaker 1: these shows. So it's not, I don't have these conversations regularly.
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  Speaker 1: or put people on my show because I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about reality TV. Really, I want to hear their story.
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  Speaker 1: The backlash and bullying and anger that has come out
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  Speaker 1: about certain people, just having someone on my show offended
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  Speaker 1: so many other people who are you know, who are
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  Speaker 1: big fans of Teresa, right? Or, you know, if David
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  Speaker 1: and I talk about a certain topic and they, you know,
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  Speaker 1: are on the other side of what we're saying, I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen such bullying. And, you know, I started to
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  Speaker 1: notice with reality TV and Bravo kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with this whole Vanderpump thing, how much the cyber bullying
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  Speaker 1: that goes on and bullying within, you know, the fans.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's kind of incredible. Have you noticed
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  Speaker 1: that at all? Or do you see that?
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  Speaker 3: I haven't seen that, but I do know it's a
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  Speaker 3: very interesting phenomenon. And I think back to what used
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  Speaker 3: to happen to soap stars, where people were so invested
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  Speaker 3: in the stories that the line became very blurred for
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  Speaker 3: people on the character versus the person. And you used
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  Speaker 3: to hear stories, I remember as a little girl hearing
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  Speaker 3: about soap stars, getting people coming up and like screaming
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  Speaker 3: at them in public. And I think it's a lot of,
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  Speaker 3: it's sort of the next generation of that because people
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  Speaker 3: are so invested in the stories and these lives that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, people just, they have to hear, they've got
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  Speaker 3: to get their opinion out. And it's, you know, it's,
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  Speaker 3: it's a little scary. I'm not in favor of bullying anymore.
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  Speaker 3: which is a whole other topic, especially cyberbullying. Yeah. But
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  Speaker 3: it is incredible how much it's become part of the
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  Speaker 3: cultural zeitgeist. Yeah. You know, in that people have so
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  Speaker 3: much emotion invested in these. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And it's interesting to me because you watch these people
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  Speaker 1: who get so offended. And in my opinion, it's that
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  Speaker 1: they're triggered about something in their own life that's happened
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  Speaker 1: on screen as well. You know, for example, with this
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  Speaker 1: Vanderpump thing, so many people took a side, right? Of
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  Speaker 1: course they didn't like Raquel or whatever her name is
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  Speaker 1: and Tom, and they all were pro the other girl.
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  Speaker 1: And I just felt like it was very interesting. It's
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  Speaker 1: one thing to be invested and take sides or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: because you don't believe in cheating, which is of course fine.
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  Speaker 1: But it's another thing to call the girl the names
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  Speaker 1: that they were calling her. And even on the reunion,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it became really gross. how they treated the
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  Speaker 1: both of them and almost how the adults in the
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  Speaker 1: room let that happen. Because I have an 11 year
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  Speaker 1: old daughter and I don't like bullying. I mean, I've
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  Speaker 1: seen bullying happen in her school. I grew up in Manhattan.
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  Speaker 1: I went to an all girls private school. Our generation
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  Speaker 1: knows what bullying is. I mean, it's a different level.
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  Speaker 1: And that's one of the first times I've really seen
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  Speaker 1: that like live on TV like that and been like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: no one's protecting these people because I've been through a
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  Speaker 1: lot in my life. You definitely have to- And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've definitely gotten a lot of cyberbullying myself and I've
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  Speaker 1: been able to get through it. But it affects your
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  Speaker 1: mental health. You're the only person that goes to sleep
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  Speaker 1: at night in the darkness. You put your head on
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  Speaker 1: the pillow and you hear those things repeat in your head,
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  Speaker 1: even though people want to act like it doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: mean something to them. And reading those comments or hearing
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  Speaker 1: people say things to you like, all these things, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even want to repeat them, but it takes a toll.
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  Speaker 1: And it is scary to me as a mother of
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  Speaker 1: an 11-year-old, and I know you have a son. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: how do you deal with cyberbullying as a parent?
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  Speaker 3: You know, my son's 22. So a lot of this
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  Speaker 3: sort of wave of this was happening as he was
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  Speaker 3: growing up. It is not at this level that it
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  Speaker 3: is now. But, you know, one of the things we
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  Speaker 3: always talked about is, Never put anything up that you
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't want your grandmother to see. And that goes for
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  Speaker 3: comments too. And I'm not talking about between you and
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  Speaker 3: your friends. I think the toll it takes on teenagers
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  Speaker 3: and preteens, mental health is abhorrent when you start hearing, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you should go kill yourself. Like you don't say that.
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  Speaker 3: In particular with the reality shows, in drilling down and
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  Speaker 3: actually to what we're talking about, people see what reflections
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  Speaker 3: of their life. So it's like they've always wanted to
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  Speaker 3: tell the woman that their boyfriend cheated on them with
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  Speaker 3: exactly how they felt. And these are also people holding
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  Speaker 3: themselves out and either their good behavior or their bad
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  Speaker 3: behavior for public consumption. And it's a little bit with
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  Speaker 3: that in particular, you know, one of the downfalls. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen, I get so much positive and I get
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  Speaker 3: so much negative and the negative shit I get is unbelievable. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But the positive outweighs it. But when you're doing something
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  Speaker 3: on a reality show and you have screwed up like that,
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  Speaker 3: because you're on the reality show, you've got to remember
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  Speaker 3: the whole world is involved in your relationship, not just
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  Speaker 3: your circle.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that the cyber bullying is okay. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that it, it doesn't take a toll,
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  Speaker 3: but You got to, you know, the chickens came home
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  Speaker 3: to roost and it wasn't a private situation. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, very often I look at shows when people
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  Speaker 3: have when stuff like that happens, like, have you not
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  Speaker 3: watched the show before you went on it? Do you
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  Speaker 3: not know what you're signing up for? Yeah. You know,
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  Speaker 3: and in, you know, situations like yours, you didn't sign
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  Speaker 3: up for that.
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  Speaker 1: I did not sign up for that, but I got
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  Speaker 1: involved with somebody who was one of the most famous
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  Speaker 1: men in the world. So, you know- But you also
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  Speaker 1: thought your private life was going to stay private. Correct.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: And I had no- You were not.
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  Speaker 3: As well-versed and as educated in the pitfalls of it
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  Speaker 3: then as we are now.
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  Speaker 1: No, of course not. And it was, you know, I-
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  Speaker 1: You know, when you're younger and a lot of your
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  Speaker 1: self-worth comes from who you're with, I guess is how
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  Speaker 1: I would put it. You know, that's how I felt
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  Speaker 1: at that time. Oh, 100%.
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  Speaker 3: And that's still a trap for women. I'm watching one
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  Speaker 3: friend of mine, actually, who's in the middle of a divorce,
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  Speaker 3: who is just realizing now that her entire sense of
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  Speaker 3: self was because of who she was married to. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's a hard thing and you learn it
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  Speaker 1: later from lessons that you go through. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I went through that for quite a while. I had
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  Speaker 1: a difficult upbringing, a difficult relationship with men in general.
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  Speaker 1: My father died of a cocaine overdose when he was 44.
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  Speaker 1: I was 15. I was sent to a- Oh, good times. Yeah. Horrible.
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  Speaker 1: And I was sent to a therapeutic boarding school, the
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  Speaker 1: same one that Paris went to, but I was there.
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  Speaker 1: I graduated from there. So I was there for three years,
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  Speaker 1: went through the whole program and never lived at home
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  Speaker 1: since I was 12. And my relationship with men was
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  Speaker 1: always just, you know, I didn't grow up knowing what
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  Speaker 1: unconditional love was. I didn't know what a family was.
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  Speaker 1: I was aching for love. I found it in the
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  Speaker 1: wrong places. And I can't say that I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: any better because as you go through life, you do
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  Speaker 1: know better, but I made mistakes based on where I
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  Speaker 1: was in my life. I would never do that again,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm also okay with the fact that you have
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  Speaker 1: to learn from your mistakes. And it's been hard for
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  Speaker 1: me on that topic just because so many people like
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  Speaker 1: to pigeonhole me in that and they stigmatize the woman
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  Speaker 1: in that. And I have had a very hard time
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  Speaker 1: moving forward. I mean, that situation happened 14 years ago
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  Speaker 1: but it's like people talk about it like it was
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  Speaker 1: yesterday and still shame me for it like it was yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: But what you just said is so, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 3: honest and compelling and a lesson that you can teach
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  Speaker 3: other women, starting with don't value, don't get your self-worth
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  Speaker 3: from who you are with. And that is something that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, father committed suicide. It was obviously tragic and
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  Speaker 3: horrible and all these things. And, but I now am
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  Speaker 3: the co-chair of the board of a major mental health
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  Speaker 3: and suicide prevention national organization. So I always say I
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  Speaker 3: took something horrible and made it something so incredibly positive. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you have that opportunity to do that. And I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and again, I don't know if I think
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  Speaker 3: that's a real lane for you and a real value
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  Speaker 3: that you can bring to other people. Like, look, I
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  Speaker 3: fucked up. I didn't know, but I can tell you
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  Speaker 3: from where I'm standing now, this is what I learned.
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  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: And here's, and there's a really positive message in it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's important.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. And so many people wanna, especially with social
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  Speaker 1: media now, which we didn't have back then, but it
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  Speaker 1: was like, people wanna promote their life as the best
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  Speaker 1: of whatever you're looking at. The filtered pictures, the happy
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  Speaker 1: faces and everything that's going on, but everyone is dealing
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  Speaker 1: with something. And I think it is okay to fail.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's okay to make mistakes as long as
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  Speaker 1: you learn from them. And I believe that life is
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  Speaker 1: like a pendulum. I happen to have a tattoo down
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  Speaker 1: my back that says, without pain, happiness has no meaning.
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  Speaker 1: And I do believe, I mean, I've been through a
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  Speaker 1: lot and so many people have, and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: okay to marinate in those moments because you know that
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  Speaker 1: at some point, as long as you know what that
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  Speaker 1: dark moment is or those bad choices you've made or
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  Speaker 1: the grief and the sorrow, whatever it is, you can
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  Speaker 1: get to the other side of the pendulum, which then
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  Speaker 1: is happiness or making the right choices or finding that
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  Speaker 1: right path. And sometimes you have to take a wrong
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  Speaker 1: term to make a right term. So I've definitely, I
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  Speaker 1: would say one.
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  Speaker 3: Of the best examples of that is Monica Lewinsky. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, and who honestly, I was like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 3: I was 20, you know, and now I see it
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  Speaker 3: brilliant writer. Yeah. And people now see her as such
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  Speaker 3: a positive. Yeah. And that was, you know, we've all
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  Speaker 3: made bad choices, but wow, that was a really bad choice. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But also a lesson in how, you know, people get
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  Speaker 1: enamored by powerful men and powerful men can say things
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  Speaker 1: to make you think it's okay. No matter what your
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  Speaker 1: age sort of, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, I'm watching a friend go through it now.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And people fall into that trap and, no one is
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: better than, you know, anyone else in making these decisions,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: you know? So I think it's an interesting topic. And honestly,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: from the time that Monica was in it and I
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: was in it, you know, cheating has become sort of
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: a very normal thing these days. Like you see it
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: in either reality shows, but you also see it in
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  Speaker 1: everyday life. I see it all the time with someone's
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  Speaker 1: cheated on someone. And then, you know, it's like, they
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  Speaker 1: almost get praised for it. It's like not that big
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: of a deal anymore, you know? And people are getting
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  Speaker 1: back together with them. And it's like, So at the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: time I was shamed for it. She was shamed for it. And,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting how it's.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Well, now I think with cheating, especially, you know, with
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: actors and actresses. and athletes and these tech billionaires, I
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: even find myself falling into the trap saying, well, what
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: did they think was going to happen? Right. Yeah. And
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: that's not okay either. No. What did they expect? Well,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: they expected someone not to be an asshole. Yeah. But boy,
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• 20:10
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• 20:13
  Speaker 3: What'd they think was going to happen? Well, they thought
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• 20:18
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: And I think that's, that's, that's a trap also that
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• 20:24
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• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: And nobody goes into something thinking that's what's going to happen.
• 20:30
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  Speaker 3: I have a very diverse group of friends and everyone
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  Speaker 3: has their own separate group texts on my phone. And
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  Speaker 3: I found it fascinating that we all talk about different things.
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  Speaker 1: And is that the kind of guests that you have
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  Speaker 3: But it's very much talking about these things with celebrities
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  Speaker 3: and it's not like we're talking about things in the
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  Speaker 3: news but we're I try and always make sure it's
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  Speaker 3: a conversation and I do dig really deep in the
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  Speaker 3: research and sometimes you know try and come up with
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: something that you know I've been interviewed so many times
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: that I know what a bad interview is and when
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: people clearly haven't done their research or when they're just
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: boring and reading off a piece of paper. And I
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: make it my point not to do that. Yeah. And,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: you know, very often the conversations will go all different directions.
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  Speaker 3: And very often at the beginning, I'll say, okay, let's
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  Speaker 3: also been on the side where you're like, are you
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So you obviously, as you said, have been
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  Speaker 1: interviewed so many times. You have this podcast. What would
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  Speaker 1: you say makes a great interview guest? Like how would
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  Speaker 1: you pick someone that you think is fantastic?
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Come to play. Come to play.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And what about a good topic?
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: What makes a good topic?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Anything that you have in common ground with someone. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Like you already talked about, but like you brought up,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: we're both moms.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: We can end up talking about kids and the pitfalls
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  Speaker 3: of society or stupid things they've done. Or I can
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  Speaker 3: talk about that. I'm no longer have a teenager and
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: oh boy, I know what you're in for. And it's,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: it's a, you know, it's a universal thing. And if
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: you can connect with somebody. Yeah. Then it all just flows. Yeah.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I think that that is so important to have chemistry
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  Speaker 1: with the person you're talking to, because there are so
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  Speaker 1: many times that I've been interviewed a ton as well.
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  Speaker 1: when you don't have chemistry with someone and it makes
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  Speaker 1: it almost hard and uncomfortable. And then there are topics,
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  Speaker 1: you know, my show is mostly about people or things
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  Speaker 1: that are misunderstood or people that are just so interesting
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  Speaker 1: that you want to understand more about them. And for
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: me personally, I have to prepare to know who the
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  Speaker 1: the average person has all those questions as well. And
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  Speaker 1: asked you so many questions about your mother, but there's
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  Speaker 1: so much interesting about you as well that so many
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  Speaker 1: people don't know, you know, like whatever your favorite drink
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  Speaker 1: is or your favorite show that you talked about at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning that you're watching. I mean, I find that
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  Speaker 1: kind of, fascinating. And for me having a podcast, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm interviewing a certain person. I'm interviewing the type of
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  Speaker 1: person that usually is on a mission to change their
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: narrative or that has something that everyone wants to hear.
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  Speaker 1: You know, on Friday, I'm interviewing the CEO of a
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  Speaker 1: company that is doing ketamine induced therapy for mental health.
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  Speaker 1: I find that fascinating. I don't know anything about it.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, I interviewed the first LGBTQ
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  Speaker 1: athlete that went to Harvard. He was recruited to go
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  Speaker 1: to Harvard as a woman on the swimming team as
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  Speaker 1: a woman, and then started his year swimming on the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: men's team because he transitioned in that year. And those
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: are all things that I know nothing about. I'm almost
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: scared to get into those conversations because you never know, like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: what might be offensive or how to ask the right question,
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  Speaker 1: but it's things that I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: might be interested in or don't ask questions because they're
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  Speaker 1: in fear of the answers. Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you can also start by saying, look, I am fascinated,
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  Speaker 3: but I am walking on eggshells because I don't even
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: know I might fall into a trap. So I'm going
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: to let you guide me. Yeah. Right. Exactly.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: So if people are going on your podcast, is there
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: one in particular that you think was outstanding or a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: guest you really loved?
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I always loved the comedians.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I always loved the comedians because there's, I can relate.
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  Speaker 3: I can relate to that, relate to them on actually
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  Speaker 3: what it's like to be one as I was raised
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  Speaker 3: by one. Right. So I have a complete, I have
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  Speaker 3: an insight that is not necessarily peer to peer, but
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: a step outside. So I can ask questions like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'll always start with, you guys know that
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  Speaker 3: you're not like normal, mentally healthy human beings, right? And
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I can see that.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, I've heard that though, that most comedians have some
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing that they're running from, which is what
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  Speaker 1: makes them so funny. Is that?
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Absolutely. So I come from that point of view
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  Speaker 3: where I can legitimately ask, you know, you all are
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  Speaker 3: really fucked up. Like you own that, right? Okay. What
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: was your childhood like?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
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  Speaker 3: And I would say after all these years, I kind
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: of know how to set them up to be funny. Right.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say in doing interviews, do
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you find that sometimes they're not funny? And when they're
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: on stage and have that platform, they're great. But like
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: in one-on-one, do they change their personality?
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, lots of them do. Yeah. Lots of them do. And,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: you know, you know how to pivot during those interviews. Yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: And again, I bring it back to myself in the
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: sense of I can say, you know, my mother had
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  Speaker 3: an incredibly complicated relationship with her parents and, you know, and, and,
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  Speaker 3: and be able to cite things like that. And that
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  Speaker 3: I think puts other people at ease. Right. To say
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  Speaker 3: where I can say, were you the funny one? And
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: very often they'll say, no one else thought I was,
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  Speaker 3: they just thought I was the weirdo, you know? So
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  Speaker 3: always when you can put a part of yourself in,
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  Speaker 3: that's honest into it, it can change the, the, the, the,
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  Speaker 3: the dynamic of a relationship. I have an interview. I
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  Speaker 3: just was interviewing Evan Handler, who is so smart and
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  Speaker 3: so lovely and so funny, but I had actually read
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  Speaker 3: his first book when it came out probably almost 20
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  Speaker 3: years ago. And he was like, you did him like, yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: And I had to buy it retail and he started off,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: but that also changed the dynamic of and it was
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: already a good interview but it took it to another
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: level yeah because he was like you're not just interested
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: in me from for this interview I'm like no I
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: think it's really interesting and I got him to talk
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  Speaker 3: about Stuff that he normally I don't think talks about.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. So you've met almost everybody, I assume at
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: this point in your life.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: A lot of people.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Is there anyone that's on your bucket list to interview
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: on your show?
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: There are, there are for different reasons. Brad Pitt, because
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: he's funny.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Is he funny?
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Very. George Clooney, because he's funny. Okay. I would love
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  Speaker 3: to interview Harrison Ford. Again, very dry humor. in non,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I love talking to athletes and I don't get a
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: lot of them on the show. Um, especially because I'm
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: a sports junkie. You are. Oh my God. And people
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: don't know that.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: And they're, what are your favorite teams?
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I'm a die hard Eagles fan. Wow.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: And I won my fantasy league this year.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: That props to me. Um, And I would love to,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I love talking to people who have witnessed history.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I was a history major in college. So that is,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: you know, fascinating to me. I would have loved to
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: have interviewed a Madeline Albright. Right.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I also am a news junkie like that. Like I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: find those kind of people fascinating. So you've interviewed or sorry,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you met so many people, some of the people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've looked back on or I remember you spending time
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: with are people that maybe now have fallen into some
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: scandal or a little bit of, you know, their names
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: are in the paper a lot. Like, for example, you
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: were on Celebrity Apprentice with Donald Trump and your mother.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to ask you about your relationship with
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: There isn't one.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Well, what was it like being on a show?
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Well, again, this was someone that I knew socially. beforehand.
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  Speaker 3: And my mother knew socially when my mother's best friends
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: is his ex sister-in-law who was married to his brother, Robert.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Like when Robert died, I did send a condolence note. Um,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: what was it like? It was, it's the hardest show
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I've ever done. And I've done some really hard shows.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: How much of it was reality and how much of
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it was staged?
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: You work your fucking ass off.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: You do.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: You ask anyone it's six days a week. From you,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: women were usually getting into hair and makeup probably around
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: 6 a.m. And the day ended when the day ended. Right.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: And then you were usually doing work after.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: What was the charity you were doing it for?
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: For a children's charity.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: But it, you know, we always used to laugh that
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  Speaker 3: we were so jealous of the men because they at
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: least got one day off a week. You know, the
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  Speaker 3: women had to, like, you had one day you could
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  Speaker 3: do your hair color, your nails, your this, your that.
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  Speaker 3: you know, all of our basic maintenance all had to
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  Speaker 3: be jammed into one day, but you worked your ass off. And,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: you know, again, you knew he was going in. It
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: wasn't some, there was no great revelation to me and
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: love him or hate him. He is a brilliant salesman.
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  Speaker 1: He really is. And that show was brilliant.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: The show was brilliant. Um, He was a brilliant marketer.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: How many weeks was production?
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember. I think it was about a month. Wow.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: So you shot an episode every two days.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: It was a grind.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: How long did you make it?
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I made it pretty far. I made it to the one, two, three, four.
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  Speaker 3: I think I was... the last one to go before
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  Speaker 3: the final four or five? One of the two.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So after my whole, um, incident in 2009.
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  Speaker 3: Let's make it fancy. The scandal. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: The scandal in 2009. I actually became a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a recluse because it was really, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: The charity that had ever affected me, which was the
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  Speaker 1: they completely changed my life. I mean, I was a kid.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was 26, but I leaned on my fiancé.
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  Speaker 1: His name was Andy. He was older than me. He
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  Speaker 1: was 32 at the time. But I idolized him, and
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  Speaker 1: I did everything to... impress him you know I felt
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  Speaker 1: like a kid at the time so um I the
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  Speaker 1: Red Cross helped me I had to move out of
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  Speaker 1: my apartment I couldn't afford it anymore we lived together
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: he was paying the rent um and the Red Cross
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  Speaker 1: gave me a hundred thousand dollars to get a new
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: place to live and really got me off my feet
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: so I came from a place of being really genuine
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like this you know charity means a lot to
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  Speaker 1: me he's like I love it for some reason that
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Red Cross had never been used as a charity and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: um I was really excited to be asked to do
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: that because everyone in the news hated me. My family,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: my friends had all deserted me. They thought I was
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: a bad look or whatever. And for me, I was like, listen,
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  Speaker 1: if people don't like me after I show who I am,
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  Speaker 1: that's fair game. But it's not okay to not like
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  Speaker 1: me based on what the media reports and the public's
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: consumption for that kind of gossip, because that was what
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  Speaker 1: was so debilitating to me. So I really wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do that show. But I was also nervous because I thought, well,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: he could dislike me because I knew he was friends
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  Speaker 1: with Tiger. And I thought this could also go badly.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: But I had lunch with Michael Cohen. He told me
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: everything would be fine. And, you know, it was- My,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the rogues gallery.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, right.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: So it was a very interesting dynamic that went down.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: And then something happened, it veered off. And I ended
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: up meeting with Dr. Drew, who, do you know Dr. Drew?
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I know Drew very well.
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  Speaker 1: And he is, tell me if you have this experience
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  Speaker 1: with him. When you are in the room with him
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  Speaker 1: and there's a hundred other people, you and you're having
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: a conversation, you were the most important person to him.
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  Speaker 1: And I just love that about him. And I was
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: really in an awful place and he sat down with me.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: They were begging me to do celebrity rehab. I said,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I don't have an addiction. I didn't have an addiction.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: They wanted me on the show for their reasons. But
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  Speaker 1: for me, I chose to do that show instead of,
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  Speaker 1: celebrity apprentice because of Drew. And he's like, you need
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  Speaker 1: help right now. You've become a recluse. You are struggling.
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  Speaker 1: And I really was struggling. And I just knew this
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: guy got me and I needed a friend. And that's
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: why I chose to do the show. So that's what happened.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: And then of course, Donald Trump, I saw on TMZ
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: a week or so later, like, oh, I don't even
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: know who that woman is. Why would I offer her
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: a spot on my show? And I was just like,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I made the right decision because I picked the one
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: guy who I thought really was going to help me.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: And to this day, we're very close. And, you know,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I was glad that I didn't do that. But I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: always wondered how I would do on the show because
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I thought it was such a fascinating show.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: You know, it's about being smart.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: It's about not letting your guard down. It's about just,
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: it's about hard work. It's about, unfortunately, you learn not
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: to trust anybody. Yeah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: You know, what was it like?
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: It's a game of survivor. Yeah.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: And what was it like doing it with your mom?
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: You know, my mom and I worked together. So for us,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: it was a very easy transition. You know, do we
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: drive each other crazy? Yes. We always drive each other crazy.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: You know, that wasn't anything new. So, you know, it
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: was very nice in the beginning to at least have
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: someone that I had had my back and she knew
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I had hers.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: You had an ally built in.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: And we knew what the show wanted to see. And
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: we actively worked against us against that. They wanted to
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: see us fighting and against each other and blow ups.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: And that's not who we were. And we didn't allow
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: ourselves to be portrayed that way. Yeah. And, you know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I think that was, you know, I think somewhere deep inside,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: they wanted the finale to be between the two of us.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: But it's just, that was not our nature. That is
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: not who we were. And we weren't going to be,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: you know, pushed into that situation. Did we talk about that?
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: It would be a great PR thing. Yeah. You got
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: two old war horses from the business, two old hands
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  Speaker 3: at it going, what would be the best way to
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  Speaker 3: play this? But then we're like, it's just, let's just
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  Speaker 3: be who we are. Right.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm curious about your childhood. What was that like
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: growing up with two parents like you had and when
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: did you first realize that you came from a family
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: different than others?
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: You know, it's not one of those things that like
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: one moment, a light bulb goes off because that's your normal. Yeah.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: You know, would you go to other people's houses and
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: you start to understand that, you know, your family was
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: not like the others and what your parents did for
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: a living was not like the others. But my parents
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: very actively created a very normal and traditional home life.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: The easiest way to The easiest way to explain it is,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: and I always share this with people, to the day
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: my mom died, the phone at her home was answered
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Rosenberg residence. And to the day she died, my friends
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: called her Mrs. R or Mrs. Rosenberg. Wow. And that
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: tells you about the level of traditional values that were
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: part of our lives. And I think that is one
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: of the reasons I've stayed so grounded. And it's one
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: of the, one of the things I've done with my
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: son and, you know, he'll say, when did you realize
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: it's like, it was just kind of a slow role
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: and knowing that we were different, but as different as
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: my parents were in our, their professional lives, there wasn't
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: some jarring difference when I went to my friend's houses.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: So I have, that was it by the way, but
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: that was an active decision.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: By my Okay. So what I was going to say
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: is I have a daughter who's 11 and relationships between
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: mothers and daughters.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Complicated.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And I was raised by a single mother who, you know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I did not grow up being very close with. And
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: thank God she has a really nice relationship with my
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: daughter because I wouldn't have a relationship with her at
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: this point. I'm curious because you seem like you're best
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: friends with your mom. What was your childhood relationship like
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: with her?
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Again, and people don't want to hear this, very normal.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: You know, when you're a teenager, you hate your parents.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: And having been a parent of a teenager, there are
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: days that you really don't like them. Yeah. And my
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: parents used to say to me, and I did that with,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: or do it still with Cooper, I will always love you.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: This is my piece of parenting advice for you. I
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: will always love you, but I do not like you
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: right now. That's a good point.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Good line.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: And that's a, that's a really solid way to communicate
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: with your team. I'm not taking away love. I'm going
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: to tell you, I would not be your friend in
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: this moment. Yeah. I do not like you right now.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: So it's like, I was like, oh, you guys are,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: we had such a normal mother daughter relationship in all
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: that that means. And that's why people related to us
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: so much on TV. People still come up to me
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: and be like, oh my God, we, I was you,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: your mom. Like people related to the fact that just
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: because we were super close didn't mean we didn't fight. Yeah.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: You know, the great story I always tell about my
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: mom is we had had a knock down, drag out fight.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, knock down, drag out over the phone. It
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: was right before she was flying to LA and she stayed,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: she was always, she always stayed with me. And at
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: one point I did say to her, you know, you know,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: you do not respect or even care about my boundaries.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: If you treated your friends the way you treat me,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: you would have no friends, blah, blah, blah. So she
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: comes in and the next morning she's standing in my kitchen,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: eating out of the refrigerator. And she looked at me
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: and she said, you know what? I've been thinking. And
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Did I actually get through to her? And
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: she goes, I acknowledge that you have boundaries. I just
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: choose not to respect them. I mean, what do you
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: do with that? Okay. You know, but that was such
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: a mom answer.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I acknowledge them. I don't respect them, but I acknowledge them. Right.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: So obviously a lot of people know you as almost
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: being a partner with your mom on a lot of
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: different things. But before that, I know you've had some jobs.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: that were unrelated to entertainment. What was like your first
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: real normal thing that you did?
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, I had all sorts of internships and I
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: worked a summer, you know, in a store and I
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: worked at our beach club. And I mean, I had
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: all the normal jobs, but I was definitely on my
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: own trajectory before E came around. I had been at MTV.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: I was on air at MTV. I was on air
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: at CBS News. I had was one of the final
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: three standing for what eventually became the Ricky Lake show.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I had shot a pilot for my own talk show
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: at that point. And then, you know, I had done
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: tons of stuff and then E came around and my
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: mother did one red carpet for them. And then they
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: came to her and said, do you think, or I
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: was already my own person. Melissa would be interested in
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: doing this with you. And we must've been arguing because
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: she said, I have no idea. You'll have to ask
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: her yourselves because if I ask her, the answer will
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: automatically be no. Said like a true mother about their daughter.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: What were you doing at the time, incidentally?
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: I had just finished my own pilot for a TV show.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I just found out it hadn't gotten picked up. I
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: was starting to develop, I'm trying to remember, another show.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I had a couple other offers. for what were the
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: beginning of panel shows that were still in development. And
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: it was kind of one of those moments where I
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: wasn't quite sure what was going to be next. And,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: you know, we all have those moments in our careers
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: and I'm thought, well, I'll try it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: So how was that? Like what, what went on? How
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: was the beginning of filming, getting the show off the ground?
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: What was that like for you guys?
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: It was so exciting. It was, we were doing something
• 45:51
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  Speaker 3: It was creating this new genre and believing that it
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: could happen and not giving up and then watching it grow.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: It was so exciting and terrifying.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Were there certain episodes that stand out to you or
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: things that you would do that stood out to you
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: of things that came after that?
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, with the red carpet, you never, part
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: of it was being live. Yeah. And never knowing what
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: was going to happen. And you have to like, enjoy
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: flying without a net. Right. And, you know, there were
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: definitely some moments where you're like, oops. But you learn
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: as you go. And it always is those oops moments
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: that sort of end up being your favorite. Right.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Um, what do you think about, um, the difference between
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: then and how you could talk about people and what
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: they looked like, I guess, and ask them certain questions
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: and be outspoken about things and how things are now.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously with cancel culture and all this stuff,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: but what do you think, you know, what do you
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: think about that?
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: I think we're finally just starting to get back to
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: being allowed to have fun again. Hmm. And I always say,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: you know, the red carpet turned into this thing and
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: making statements and serious. And there were certain times, like
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I thought the Golden Globes, where all the women wore black,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: was one of the best fashion Golden Globes we'd ever had.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: It was like the ultimate project runway. Yeah. Here's the assignment.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Now let's see how you all deal with it. It
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: was brilliant. And I came out and said, can we
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: have a color for every award show? Like this was
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: awesome because we got to see so much more personality
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: coming through the clothing and designers truly working with these
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: women to do something. It was like a challenge. It
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: was great. Oh God, you know, let's just remember what we're,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: congratulating ourselves for nobody's just won the Nobel prize in physics.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: You know, let's all take a deep breath and not
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: take ourselves so seriously. Yes. It's absolutely a platform to
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: talk and get out things about important topics, but you're
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: walking into a building to a party. Yeah. Right. Let's not,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: And people want the relief. People want to see their
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: stars be stars, want to see the fantasy because that's
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: really what the red carpets are. Yeah. Yeah. And don't
• 49:08
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I think I always, my mother always had it.
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  Speaker 3: It was always part of our, our lives.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, did she always dress fabulous and colorful? And so
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  Speaker 3: I always, you know, like I said, I was a
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  Speaker 3: history major. So, so much of fashion and cultural history
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  Speaker 3: is reflected in each other. Mm-hmm. And there's all sorts
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  Speaker 3: so fascinating and loving the art of it. Yeah. You know,
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  Speaker 3: and so that was always something I was very interested in.
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  Speaker 3: And then to be asked to do this as part
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  Speaker 3: you take the opportunity to learn more. I could never
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  Speaker 3: explain to you how something was cut. I do not understand.
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  Speaker 3: I understand some of the technical, but I don't understand
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  Speaker 3: all of the technical, but I know what I like.
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  Speaker 3: I see what's happening. I understand sometimes what people are
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  Speaker 3: trying to do. And very often I would turn on
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  Speaker 3: this to me. I don't get it. Please explain to
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  Speaker 3: me why this is fantastic because I'm not seeing it. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, and fashion is fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. So like now these days, do you
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: care so much about what you're wearing? Do you look
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: at what other people are wearing? Like what's your relationship
• 53:15
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  Speaker 3: Always, I love seeing what people are wearing. I'm always like,
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  Speaker 3: oh God, I wish I could wear that a lot
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: of times because I am small and I can, and
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  Speaker 3: where my mother could wear big things on the top
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: and own them and work them, even though she was
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: smaller than me, she had that presence. I know like
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: for me, I can't wear anything with lots going on
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: up here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, me either.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes I'm very jealous. Like I wish I could
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: wear that, but I know that I get lost in
• 53:46
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  Speaker 3: So of course I look at stuff and go, oh God,
• 53:51
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  Speaker 3: that's so fantastic. And oh, I wish I was still,
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: you know, 25 and could get away with that, you know?
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  Speaker 3: But I definitely always feel Like I, as my mother
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  Speaker 3: always used to say, don't make anyone disappointed that they've
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  Speaker 1: Good point. Very good.
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  Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean I don't go out in sweats
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  Speaker 3: and cutoffs and all that because I do. My mother
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  Speaker 3: used to get very annoyed that I was so casual.
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  Speaker 3: looked like shit.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: So it's a different level of awareness. And much more
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: as I get older, I'm much more aware of it. But,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: you know, I think what's happening to me is I'm
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: becoming much more minimalistic. I'm really paring down. And I
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: think a lot of people are.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Where I know what looks good on me. I know
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: what works on me. And I try and stick to that.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: and take a risk with a color or an accessory
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: or figure out where I am comfortable taking a risk. Right.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Without looking stupid.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: What are your favorite designers or brands right now?
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, God. You know, I always go back to Stella McCartney.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Her suits are the best for me. a lot of Stella,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: a lot of, um, there's a lot of Calvin Klein
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: for a long time. A lot of Michael Kors, not
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: so much right now. Um, I just was watching, uh,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: the Valentino runway. I thought that was beautiful. Yeah. Um,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: I tend to go with your more, um, designers that
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: it's about the cut. Yeah. Got it. And when you're
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: sitting around- I love, for example, I love Victoria Beckham.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, brilliant. You know, I love- That silhouette is so gorgeous.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: It's gorgeous. I always loved Carolina Herrera just because it's,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: you know, the elegance, the elegance of Oscar de la Renta.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Do I, am I obsessed with Bottega right now? Yeah, completely.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: You know, but I like, but I really, I mean,
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: if I had to live in one, it would be Stella.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Um, it's funny. You mentioned Oscar de la Renta. My grandmother,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: God rest her soul, um, was a very stylish, gorgeous woman.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: And she, I would go visit her. She lived in
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas and I would get off the plane and
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: she would say, oh my God, what are you wearing?
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: God forbid you met a man on the plane. Get
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: out of here. She would like cover me up and
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: put something over me and then try and have me
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: fit in her Oscar de la Renta clothes. Cause he
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: would only make her clothes. And she had everything still
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: sitting in the closet with the tags in it or
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: with what, you know, still wrapped up kind of. And
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: she never had anywhere to wear it at a certain
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: point in her life. And she would always, you know,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: try and say, well, you should wear this. But for
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: me as a younger woman or a girl at the time,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: it didn't feel appropriate because it was big. And, you know,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: but now I think it's like, he's such an amazing designer.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: It's pieces of art.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Textiles.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: And I think, you know, also as you go into
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: different sections of your life, different parts in your life,
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: your style changes, you know?
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: But like, for example, I'm wearing a striped sweater. I
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: have always been a striped addict because I feel like
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: it's always clean. Yeah.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: It's very nautical.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: It's very, it's also to me, it's like, I can
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: wear the sweater with jeans. I can wear it with pants.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: I can wear the skirt. I feel like But again,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: it's taken me a long time to get to the
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: point where I know what I like. Yeah. And very
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: often I will love something and put it on and
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: be like, I need to take this off. And sometimes
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: my stylist will say, just try this on. And I'll
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: be like, no, no, no. And I put it on
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my God, yes. We just had
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: that happen with a Balmain dress. Yeah. Or I'm like, obviously,
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: but I was like, no, no, no, no, no. It's
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: not the right, it's not this. It's not, you just
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: put it on. And I was like, okay, love it.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: And I love, I mean, Brunello, Cuccinelli, Laura Piano. I mean,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: I love all that. I don't buy it, but I
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: lust after it from afar. I'll just go into Laura
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Piano and just touch things. Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I found for me that I'm always more comfortable in
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: jeans and a t-shirt or a wife beater to me.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: And I look better in that. When I try and
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: get dressed up, I feel like an idiot.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Me too.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Me too. And people are surprised at that. My, I
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: have a uniform jeans and a sleeveless white t-shirt. Yeah.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: That's it's. And it also looks sexy, but you know, sophisticated,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: you know? And so to me, that's like always the best,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: but when you're sitting around at home, all day and
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: you don't have to see anyone, will you sit around
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: in sweatpants?
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite brand? I'm just curious. I'm in the market.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: I'm into Viore right now.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't even know who that is. Okay.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's so, so of course I love like Aviator
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Nation and I have all those, but right now Viore
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: is my go-to.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Yes. And what I love is they can do the
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: little matching sets. So like I have one that like,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: I have the hoodie, the shorts and the sweats. So
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I've got multiple options here. Wow.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: But I'm super into Viore. I was just wearing a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Viore sweatshirt yesterday.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Okay. My daughter is really- Oh, nice.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: My daughter's really into Aviator Nation.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: I love Aviator Nation.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: So we have, and we basically are the same size,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: which is great because then I just have all these
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: extra- sets that I can wear around. I mean, I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: sort of feel idiotic wearing it as you know, I'm 48.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: So you know that I'm wearing this thing that she
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: would be wearing, but it is very cozy. It looks cute.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I can go to the grocery store in it and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: not feel too messy.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: You know, I wear a ton of Aviator Nation sweats
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: and sweatshirts. I love their sweatshirts. Yeah. You know, but again,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: you know, and I still go back to like Monroe.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Remember the old Monroe sweats?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: They're still amazing. Yeah, Monroe with Splendid or whatever it was, yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Exactly, I mean, that's the thing. But right now, like
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Viore's on the verge of becoming a problem.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, okay. And are you on the Lululemon kick
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: that so many kids are?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we've been doing Lululemon for years.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like an obsession for people these days.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm now, my new favorite leggings are, I think
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: they're called on stage. And it's because they don't have
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: the seam in the front.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know exactly what you mean. Spanx also doesn't
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: have the seam in the front usually.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I don't really wear Spanx. I think you and I
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: are too small for Spanx, but.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Well, in a white dress, no one is too small
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: for Spanx.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: That is true. That is true.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: You know, when you're wearing white, you always wear Spanx,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: especially if you're going to be in direct sunlight. Oh, okay.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good advice.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: Anyone over the age of 25 should never be in
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: a white dress in direct sunlight.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: Even the tiniest flaw will show.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Got it. Okay. What is your last question on the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: topic of fashion? What is your thoughts about fashion going forward?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: What would you like to see? What are you into? Like,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: is there something that you love?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: I love, and I always have, this is nothing new
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: for me, the quiet luxury. Yeah. You know, the, if
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: you know, you know. Yeah, right.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, so many people are into brands or labels
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: or they have to have the certain types of purse
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: just to show it off. To me, I think it's
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: too much. I think it's, first of all, you can
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: knock those off so quickly. So it's just gross, but
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I don't like someone that's in too many labels. I
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: think that's ridiculous. So I think that quiet luxury is
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: very classy and sexy too.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: But that's in right now. There was also a time
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: where everything I had had a label on it because
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: that was the look. Yeah. But as I've kind of
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: pared down, My wardrobe, I think a lot of people
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: did this after COVID, you know, as I've done that,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: I'm finding that the pieces I hang on to are
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: the very upscale traditional ones. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: great blazer. Yeah. The perfect dress, you know.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Those staple items are so important to hold on to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: and it's, It's really important to clean out your closet,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: but like those one, those staple items are really important
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: and timeless and you never have to.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: I just went through a ton of my stuff and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: with my stylist and we recut a bunch of things.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: You know, I just got back from the tailor a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: dress that we bought for my book tour eight years ago.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: And we changed the neckline a little. We, you know,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: did this, did that. And it looks brand new. Oh,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: the other one I could live in is Tom Ford. Right.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Oh yes. That is a good one. Of course.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: I was just thinking we just remade another Tom Ford dress.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, nice. That must be beautiful. You brought up COVID
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: a second ago. I just want to ask you what
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: you think your your mom would have thought about a
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: lot of the things that she just has not been
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: around for COVID, Donald Trump becoming president. What are your
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: thoughts on that?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think she would have lost her mind. Having
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: to trap her inside. I don't think she would have
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: ever recovered from that. She was such a goer.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Right. Do you think she would have believed that that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: would have been something that could ever happen in the world?
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: No, I think, and I think she would be absolutely
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: heartbroken to see what's become not just of our country,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: but of the world.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And what do you think she would have thought
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: about the political climate? Would she have just made a
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: lot of jokes about it? It would have given her
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to use.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Well, she was never a political comedian. So I don't
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: think it would have given her material. Again, I think
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: she would be really You know, she was the daughter
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: of immigrants and really believed and was raised to believe
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: in the doctrine of democracy. And I think all this partisanship,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: you know, she was always like, you know, just everyone compromise.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: And I think that would have been extremely disheartening for her. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Something I just want to get into briefly is that
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: you and I both know a lot about grief. We
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: know a lot about the effects of grief and also
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: how important it is to share your story because obviously
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: grief is a universal theme. Everybody feels it. Everyone's been
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: through it in their own way. And what was that
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: like for you? You mentioned a little bit ago how
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: you were able to take your father's death and make
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: that into something that was good. you know, that you
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: could learn from, teach others about. But how did you
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: deal with the fact that both of your parents are
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: no longer with you and both died in such tragic ways?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: You know, I always say to people, grief is grief
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: is grief. My grief is no different than someone else's grief.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Are the circumstances surrounding it different in how they passed? Absolutely.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: One was a suicide. One was whatever you want to
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: call it. a malpractice situation. It's more about for the suicide.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: It was more about talking about the anger and making
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: peace with that. And in a strange way with my mother,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: it was very much the same thing, but not directed
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: at her. And I feel like it's my duty to
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: talk about it.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: Cause I think grief is one of the great levelers. Yeah.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: My grief is no different than my neighbor's grief. Just
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: because I'm a public figure does not mean it hurts
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: more or hurts less. It's just that everybody knows about it.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: That's the only difference.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Guys, what a great interview with Melissa River. Sorry, again,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: that it cut off kind of abruptly there at the end,
• 1:07:23
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