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“They’re a Lot Closer to The Longest Yard than The Lingerie League”. The CFL Outsiders S03 E14 · The CFL Outsiders

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Hey kids! Welcome back to another episode of the CFL Outsiders.
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I remain as always your 100%
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impartial, completely unbiased,
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and frankly thrilled to death host,
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Old Man Shouting at Clouds. Now this week,
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unfortunately as we mentioned last week,
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GT is going to have to step back from the show for
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a while at least. Which means it'll go down to MJ and I.
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Except MJ was selfish and went off on vacation.
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So we looked like we had probably just my boring old monotone
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and that wasn't gonna be good.
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Luckily we have a savior coming in.
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Someone a lot of people out there will probably know.
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If you, like I, was a fan of the Rouge,
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White and Blue podcast, say welcome back to Oz Davis.
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Hey Oz, thanks for stepping in and helping us out.
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no problem. I love to. But before we get started,
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I got one question for you. I I know that you'd like to introduce yourself
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as old man yelling at clouds. So what am I calling you?
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Am I calling you Mr. Clouds? are you oldie?
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what? How am I addressing you?
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Anything you feel like. Generally I go by old man,
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Okay.
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but you can d you can use anything you want.
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I
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tell you it's an honor because not often am I the youngest person in the chat room.
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Ha ha ha.
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So I appreciate that. ~ okay,
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so yeah, ~ as the oldster just told everybody,
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I used to be with a show called the Rouge,
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White, and Blue. Actually, we did that for ten years with my buddy
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up there in Wisconsin, Joe Pritchard.
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nowadays I'm doing another show ~ called Shots from the Hip.
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It is a CFL highlighted,
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but sort of a catch-all, all sport program.
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we we lead with the CFL when the CFL is on.
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But the premise of the show is basically I get pretty obsessed season
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to season with certain events.
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couple of months ago I was completely enraptured by the World Cup.
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~ I tend to do that. I tend to follow the short term.
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event. It's enough to keep me interested for a month.
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I know just enough to be dangerous and lose some money gambling.
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And then it's on to the next thing.
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Because it's basically impossible to follow,
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you know, twenty-four sports at the same time now that these North American sports
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leagues are becoming you know,
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twelve month a year events. And so
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Yeah. Everywhere. Yes.
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and so
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~ I understand you wanted me to do a little bit of my history as a CFL fan,
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so I'll I'll just keep it short because it's it's quite boring.
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as fellow old people know, there once was a time before we had the internet
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and as a a let's say teenager or preteen,
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I was a total sports nut anyway.
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And back in those days it was pretty interesting because you would get the you know,
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you would get those books. You'd get those books that would preview
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the upcoming season or the big magazines,
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Mm-hmm. I remember those,
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you know, where they break down every team.
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Yeah,
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yes.
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and it was nice because in the American version,
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you know, you get in this 200 page magazine.
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Yeah, so awesome. But then they would devote like the last,
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you know, ten percent or the last quarter of the text to the CFL.
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And sometimes when you collected the football cards,
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right, you'd get the stats on the back and they would include the CFL
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or even the World Football League or you know,
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for a couple of years the USFL and whatnot.
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And so as an American, you know,
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it was it was it was interesting to hey,
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wow, there's even more football out there.
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Who are these, you know, crazy teams,
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Argonauts, you know, and
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Two teams called the Rough Riders and like this.
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Yeah. Those were the days.
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And at that time I was living in New England.
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I was living in ~ central New Hampshire.
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And ~ you could catch the Alouettes games on I forget what channel it was.
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I it might have been 56. But you know,
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back in those days when you had
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Yeah.
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the UHF channels on your on your device,
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and you know, so
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every once in a while you could watch like the you know,
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the black and white or the cloudy,
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Canadian football
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Yeah.
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league game. Montreal was my marginally home team,
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and so I basically viewed the league through the Alouettes.
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now through the years, you know,
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the coverage in the US has been sporadic.
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I first moved out here. I'm a real CFL outsider because not only am I an American,
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now I've been living in Hungary for the past three years.
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~
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sort of been in Europe on and off since nineteen ninety five.
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And for a while there, the only way you could Yeah,
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Yeah, that's not on a lot of bingo cards.
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for a while
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for a while there you could only follow the CFL through newspapers,
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those crazy, again, old things.
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~
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legacy media outlets. but then,
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you know, streaming came along.
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And so I was able to pick it up back again.
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when I moved back into the States in 2014,
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I hooked up with Joe Pritchard and started the Rouge Right and Blue podcast.
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And at that point it was pretty sweet because the CFL had a deal with ESPN
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and so you could watch on demand on ESPN three.
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Just purely an on-demand channel.
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You watch all the games, you know,
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without the commercials, you know,
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it's a really nice setup. And of course,
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nowadays, it's ironic because if you live outside of
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the US or Canada, you actually have a better deal on streaming.
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All the games are completely free.
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again, no advertising at all. We get the pre-game show,
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you get the halftime show.
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the only disadvantage is ~ these games disappear for a week.
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after a week. After
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Okay. Yeah.
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a week of being for free. But as a result,
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~ now I'm able to watch every game every week,
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despite the fact that they're starting at about 1 a.m.
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or 3 a.m. local time. you know,
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just on my own on my own terms and stuff.
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So it's so it's actually a a a really great time to be a CFL fan.
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~
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in this season before they change all the rules and then make it look like
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the NFL football. So so
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Yes. And yeah. Well we're
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not we're not even talking about that.
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We're gonna get through this season and then see what's what.
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Mm. Good. Yeah. Good.
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But the the
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other thing that anyone who knows you from Rouge,
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White and Blue knows is that you stayed true as an LOX fan through right from
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Yeah. I'm representing.
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the start. So this must be a rough year
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for you watching the CFL man.
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yeah.
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Boy, I'm hating life. My God.
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~ yeah.
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My God. My God. What a great, great,
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great season for Alouettes fans.
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just wow. What an offense. What a quarterback.
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yeah. I mean, we're talking about now some of the best Alouettes teams of all time.
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that's a little bit premature in my opinion,
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but on my show I've been getting trolled.
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You know, is this the greatest CFL team ever?
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Ha ha ha.
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Come.
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Let's slow the roll a little bit.
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You know, we just
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Yeah.
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recently had the twenty twenty one Winnipeg Blue Bombers
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who look pretty unstoppable. We just had an Argo's team go what sixteen and two and
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Yep.
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then get bounced in the playoffs to my beloved Alouettes.
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so well let's not go that far but man,
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yeah. Especially after this week.
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of games in the CFL, I feel like the Aloettes really established themselves as,
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you know, the team in the CFL this year.
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You all talked about this a bit in last week's show.
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Yeah. Yes.
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~ but yeah,
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they're really on this you get in the CFL,
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the teams kind of separate into tiers about halfway through the season.
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but right now it's like the Als are on that number one tier.
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As it is kind of nerve wracking as an Alouettes fan because every time Davis
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Alexander has to run, you're just holding your breath,
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There there is that. Yeah Yeah.
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man. You're done like please don't go down.
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Please don't go down. Please. You know.
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Is that yes,
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is that really a fully healthy leg or is there a lot of duct tape underneath those
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Yeah.
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pants? Yeah.
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in the in the in the game against Ottawa he he led for a touchdown with his head.
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And I was just like, ooh, no. ~ that's right.
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No, it's not the head, it's the legs.
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So okay, no problem
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Yeah. Yes. Yes. Well the other
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the other thing I find really interesting this year is I agree with you.
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The Alouettes I don't think you can argue are the the best team right now.
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The second best team and the only one that's looking really close to them
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is the Elks. And frankly, i usually the teams that are at the top have
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a lot of people hating on them.
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It seems like all the fans are just happy for them both.
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They both
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yeah,
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of course.
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People
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love these teams and seem to feel like,
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you know, they've earned what they're they're they're it's legitimate
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and for whatever reason, I like that.
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there's not a lot of people complaining about them the way there would
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be with I think probably any other team in the C F L right now.
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yeah. Well, I mean, okay, so part of the Elks thing is just because of this drought.
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I mean, they have
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Yeah.
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not been a viable contender since Mike Riley was playing.
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Yeah.
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You know. And there's one part of it.
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there is the stuff about the name change,
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Yeah.
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you know,
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stuff about the ownership change.
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But look at it this way, too. What's the alternative?
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Yeah.
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I mean, the riders. Say no more.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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the stamps.
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Everybody's sick of the stamps after after
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Yeah. Yeah.
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they were the New England Patriots for most of the 21st century.
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Yep. Winnipeg's had their run,
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Okay. Winnipeg. Winnipeg.
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yes.
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They had their run, right? They had their their semi-dynastic period.
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Okay, we don't need any more of them.
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~ and the BC Lions. I mean,
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I don't know how the temperature is there in Canada,
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but a lot of people in the other markets really resent.
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This, how the CFL tried to make Nathan Rourke,
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you know, the face of the CFL.
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And ever since he came back from the NFL,
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he's been a shell of what we were promised.
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so in that respect, I mean, who else are you gonna pull for in the West?
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~ Good for the Elks.
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Yeah, I I'll give you that. Yes.
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Good for the Elks. Good for
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Yeah. The other
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thing with the Elks is I think it's just that's got everybody happy with them
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is I think it's just Cody. There's something about him.
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yeah.
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He every time you ever watch him play,
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to me it feels like he can't he shouldn't be out there.
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And yet he's just this guy that goes out and somehow wills things into happening
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and makes magic. It's it's incredible.
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Well that's that's the thing. He's
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he's the definition of the plucky underdog.
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I mean,
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Yeah.
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he dragged that writers team with no offensive line,
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you know, to within a couple of plays of the gray cup.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Then they don't have faith in him anymore.
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So he goes to Montreal. Montreal,
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he wins the Grey Cup, and the response is to replace him.
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With the untested
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Yeah.
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Davis Alexander. Now it turns out that that was the that was the play to make.
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Goes to Edmonton again, Grey Cup winning quarterback,
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mind you, and he's sitting on the bench behind Trey Ford,
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you know, also untested. And it
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Yeah.
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turns out that that was the wrong play.
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And so now you've got a guy who's what now?
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With Edmonton alone, he's something like what,
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fifteen and five as
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Yeah.
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a starting quarterback, and and
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still people are doubting this guy.
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And
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Yeah.
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and you know, right now with the disappearance of Vernon Adams,
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I mean Fajardo is arguably the the second best week one quarterback right
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now in the CFL. In fact I say
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That's Yeah. Yeah the
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arguably, I don't think it is arguably.
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You know? Davis Alexander is is is magic out there.
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but Cody has been, you know
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Cody has been Mr. Consistency.
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And it's and it's not a question of just winning games.
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I mean, he's been good. You know,
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for a while
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Yeah.
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it looked like Rankin was gonna be the MOP on this Elks team this season,
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but he kind of dropped off after that first game against BC.
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You know, he hasn't been the machine
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Yeah.
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since about week what five or six.
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Yeah.
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And but, you know, Cody is still like having monster games.
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Now
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I mean, we'll talk about this in in the in the preview.
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They had a couple of ~ bad games.
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They had a couple of games
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Yeah.
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when they couldn't do anything in the red zone against the riders and then they
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got smoked by the Alz ~ the
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Yeah.
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week after that. But now, I mean,
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Yeah.
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other than that, I mean, he's been he's been the
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Yeah.
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field general and he's been getting impressive stats.
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I mean, you know, Davis has has had the monster season,
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but still Fajardo has been awesome.
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Yes.
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He's not turning the ball over.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he's leading this team. ~ you know,
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probably the his worst play of the season has probably been complaining about
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not going for it on third and two going
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Ha ha ha.
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into the second half against Montreal.
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And it turns out he was right,
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probably. You know, we'll never know.
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Yes. Even Killam says that.
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But yeah,
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we'll never know. But you know,
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I mean, if if the biggest move is disagreeing with your coach when you are right.
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You know, he's having a monster season.
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So Yeah.
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yeah. And that team has just rallied around and they're all
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playing better. They believe in themselves.
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It's great to see. But you know.
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Yeah, it's another another
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one in the legacy of great Edmonton quarterbacks,
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which you talked about last
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yeah.
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week on the show.
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Most
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definitely. But let's let's also talk there's not a whole lot of news for
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us to talk about this week as far as the CFL goes.
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And in fact the first thing I got down on here is not really the CFL,
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but it's Canadian
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Mm-hmm.
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football. Because anybody that hasn't been paying attention,
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the IFAF World Championships for this weekend,
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with Canadian men's and women's teams playing and Olympic berths on the line.
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And the women looked absolutely fantastic,
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went undefeated,
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Yeah.
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beat beat America in the gold medal game,
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and they booked their ticket. The men's it was a little bit tougher,
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it and a bit of a a roller coaster ride.
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Nigeria they got a forfeit over because Nigeria couldn't get their visas
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in time which is unfortunate. They beat Austria,
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Yeah. Really sad.
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who's ranked
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number two in the world. Then they lost to Japan,
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but they still had a two and one record.
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That took them into the playoff round where they lost to Italy.
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But even that didn't knock them out.
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they managed to beat Mexico in overtime for the bronze.
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Top two teams in the tournament go to the Olympics.
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But US already has a berth being the home team,
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so woohoo! Canada's in. Both our our tickets are booked for both our teams.
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Now we can just look on getting better.
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well, I did I didn't follow too much of the flag football.
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I did see that the USA had their ~ Olympic basketball like
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14 year streak broken by American Samoa,
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who anybody who follows rugby knows that Samoa produces a lot of rugby players.
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Nowadays they seem to be producing a lot of
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football players as well.
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Yes.
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I guess spearheaded by my guy for the Rams,
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Puka Nakua, but ~ just, you know,
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really cranking out the great.
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I mean, these guys love the contact.
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So they beat the USA in in the early rounds,
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but ~ the USA did in fact come back and win the gold,
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as you mentioned. just a couple of notes.
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I wanted to ask you, ~ I caught one highlight clip.
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Of my main guy on Team Canada,
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Marc Antoine DeCroix. Have we got any other
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~ stats from Yeah.
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I don't have a lot and I and I have
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a feeling that may be the one clip that's out there.
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Was it the one of him rushing the passer?
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'Cause that's what
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Yeah.
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I saw.
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Yeah, now what do you call that?
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What do you call that? Because it's not a sack,
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right? So
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Yeah.
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I don't know, downing the quarterback.
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I'm over my out of my depth here.
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yeah, the other thing I wanted to note is and I caught this on the
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on the commentary last week, how Austria is the number two in
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the world in flag football. And that's pretty interesting because for me,
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because about maybe about
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Fifteen years ago, this part of Europe really began playing proper gridiron
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football. of course, you know,
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these teams don't really compete,
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you know, ~ with an American, a Canadian team.
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But, they're actually starting to learn the game.
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They're bringing in American coaches.
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And really the dominant team in the region was Vienna Knights.
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these guys were known throughout
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Germany, Hungary, Ukraine, places like this who otherwise have pretty good teams,
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but Vienna Knights for five,
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six, seven years just dominated the gridiron,
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the Central Europe gridiron football.
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and I mean even against teams like Ukraine,
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which brought out a bunch of huge dudes.
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~
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Mm-hmm.
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you know, Vienna Knights was really the class of the league.
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So
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I thought it was pretty interesting that Austria's ranked number two in the world.
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I honestly think if the knights are anything to go by,
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these this is nothing to sneeze at.
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I mean, ~ these guys for some reason the Austrians just love this game.
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They love this football game. And you know,
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I haven't been following the flag football too much,
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but part of me really feels like this could be the future of football.
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it's honestly the only viable way for women to play this.
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full contact sport. and I just feel like with the head injuries,
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with the downturn, the pretty massive downturn in participation at
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the high school level in America,
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that, you know, flag football might be the way to go.
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I don't think I'll be around to see it,
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but I wouldn't be surprised in fifty years if flag was a very,
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very, very popular international sport.
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Right.
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because football is an exciting game.
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But the truth
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Yeah.
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is full contact football, you know,
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takes a special breed of individual.
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It's dangerous. Yes it is. Yes.
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And ~
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so I think fl in a in a lot of ways flag football is the future.
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~ so I'm looking forward to seeing it at the Olympics.
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I was pretty cynical at first,
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but I I think it could be could be interesting.
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Could be interesting.
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Yeah, well I ~
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I hope I don't see the demise of regular football 'cause it I know you're right,
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it's a dangerous sport and there's a price to be paid,
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but ~ it was playing that got me in love with the game.
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Because there's just something about a sport where in the end it quite often comes
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down to just how bad do you want it factor.
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So there's that.
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Well, it's
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it's in a lot of ways it's it's
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an excellent game for all kinds of athletes,
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right? Because okay, if you think about it,
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it's the only game that combines ball sport and combat sport.
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I mean, you've got five
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Yeah.
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guys on the so called offense who never touch the ball.
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Mm. Yeah.
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You know, it's illegal for them to touch the ball in most cases.
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And in fact, that's one of the reasons why it became it became so popular
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in this particular part of the world is it's a great sport for guys
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who can't throw and catch. Right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You can still play a ball game without
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having to throw a ball, which,
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as we know in Europe, most games,
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you don't throw a ball.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Right. ~
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you know, the game out here is soccer.
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You know, they also play a lot of handball,
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which is not so much about throwing as it is about passing or even
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Yeah. Yeah.
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basketball. You know, these are not classic,
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you know, this is not baseball.
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You know, this is not a game where you're actually throwing the ball.
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Yeah.
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And so it's a great game for guys who just work out at the gym and want to flex.
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You know, it's you've got that sumu wrestling thing happening
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Yeah.
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on the offensive line.
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and so in that respect, for me,
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it's a lot of it is it's the ultimate combination of mental
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and physical ~ strategy.
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~
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Yep.
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and so it is ~ and flag is a great solution for that.
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You know, flag
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It is.
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is a great solution to the injuries,
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to the you don't have to be a massive guy,
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you know, you don't have to have,
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speed off the line and stuff like that.
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like you do in full contact. So,
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it's a nice ~ I don't want to say alternative,
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but it's a nice variant, let's say,
21:32
Yeah. It's a d yeah, it's a different take on football.
21:33
of the classic criterion cream.
21:35
And it's it's certainly can be entertaining.
21:35
Yeah. Yeah.
21:37
The
21:38
the the other thing I like about the original game,
21:40
just from my time coaching down at like the minor levels here,
21:44
is like you said, you can find a spot for anybody on a football team.
21:48
Yeah. Yeah.
21:48
You don't necessarily
21:50
have to be a size or shape or anything,
21:52
you can do it. And the one thing I will push back on you a little bit
21:55
is when you said about the you know,
21:57
flag the only viable way for women.
22:00
In Western Canada here we do have a women's tackle football league.
22:03
It's the the
22:04
sure. Yeah.
22:06
some of the g teams are not very good,
22:08
but the top two or three, it's on a level about what I would compare with junior
22:13
football here. So that's the just between high school and college.
22:16
And they they do play some entertaining football.
22:19
So it is possible.
22:20
Yeah, I
22:21
mean, yeah, but it's I don't know,
22:23
it's just not a game that you think of,
22:26
you know.
22:26
No, no, you definitely don't.
22:28
and and yeah, there is a league in the US as well.
22:33
Actually, this started as the lingerie football league.
22:36
I remember that, yeah.
22:36
Yeah. So
22:38
so yeah, you can kind of ~ get the mentality there.
22:41
Yeah.
22:43
but ~ it's just not
22:47
the kind of thing you think of.
22:48
Look, it's not softball. It's not basketball.
22:50
Yeah. No. No,
22:51
You know, it's not soccer. You know,
22:54
it isn't.
22:54
it's not
22:54
it's it's not as easily adaptable.
22:56
Yeah. Yes.
22:57
I mean,
22:58
it's it's interesting because if they had,
23:01
if from the start there had been women's football back in the old days,
23:07
Yeah.
23:07
~
23:07
I think I think it would have developed now.
23:10
But it was just when it first started was first started to play
23:14
in the nineteenth century.
23:16
There just wasn't this outlet for women's sports at all,
23:21
Mind you, ho hockey is starting to close that gap with women,
23:24
so you never know. And I
23:25
Mm-hmm.
23:25
and I will say this, I remember the lingerie league.
23:28
The the women's teams we have here are a lot closer to the longest yard than
23:32
the lingerie league. So
23:33
Yeah. That much is
23:35
for sure.
23:36
we'll move on. The other two little bits of news,
23:38
I don't know if they're connected or not.
23:40
actually I'll flip them around the way I put them on the the rundown here.
23:43
Two bits of news. The Red Blacks now have the longest losing streak
23:47
in modern CFL history. They going back to last season they lost they've lost fifteen
23:52
games in a row.
23:54
There are teams back from the I think fifties and thirties that have longer losing
23:59
streaks, but in the modern game it was only the Shreveport Pirates when they were
24:03
in for a couple of years that had
24:03
Wow.
24:04
a fourteen game losing speak. Yeah,
24:06
so so they're
24:07
Wow.
24:08
hopefully they get something straightened out,
24:10
but every game they lose now will be adding to that record.
24:13
And part two of the news, the Red Blacks have announced that they changing
24:19
the president of the Red Blacks.
24:20
The
24:22
Ottawa Sports and Entertainment or whatever it is.
24:24
Adrian, I'm terrible at pronouncing names here.
24:26
Scaria, I believe, has been moved out of the president role.
24:31
He's not leaving the organization.
24:32
Apparently he's gonna work with the Ottawa Sixty Sevens but they say they'll have
24:36
a new president by the end of the year.
24:39
Something's gotta change there.
24:40
The six sevens? Six seven.
24:42
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sex Sevens except it's but far enough
24:43
~
24:45
back it was sixty sevens.
24:47
I think it had something to do with Canada's Centennial,
24:49
to tell you the truth, but I don't know.
24:50
Right.
24:51
Right. well yeah, I mean, I definitely think that's the answer,
24:55
right? I mean, you know, fire the defensive coordinator,
24:59
you know, demote the president.
25:01
Yeah, that'll solve it. You know,
25:02
you said that this is the longest ~ losing streak in modern history.
25:07
I'm gonna push back on you,
25:09
Okay.
25:10
old man. ~ there is another ~ longer streak,
25:15
and that is Ryan Dinwiddie.
25:18
Do you realize that this guy is on an 0-14 run?
25:22
Do you realize that the last time he has won a game,
25:23
I did not realize that, but that's so he's right there with it.
25:25
Yeah.
25:26
the last time
25:27
he has won a game as head coach is September 13th of last year,
25:32
and that was on a last second field goal against the last place Elks
25:38
in week 15?
25:40
Yeah.
25:40
He's looking at a year now without a win as a head coach.
25:45
So yeah, I definitely think the
25:45
And questionable decisions.
25:46
the secret is to fire the DC, is to fire the president.
25:50
I mean, come on now. Come on now.
25:54
I mean,
25:54
Yeah.
25:55
look, in the last two seasons as a head coach,
25:58
Dinwiddie is five and twenty-two.
26:00
You know, this was pointed out by ~ somebody else I would like to name drop,
26:06
but I'm not sure who it was, on the Shotgun Sports Network,
26:09
of which my show Shots From the Hip is a member,
26:12
just in the group chat.
26:13
Pointing this out. I mean, what is happening here?
26:17
What is the silence in CFL media on the coaching staff in Ottawa?
26:23
I mean, yeah, it's clear for a few years they haven't really had the talent to,
26:30
really seriously compete. But this 0-9 is out of hand.
26:35
This is out of hand this season.
26:36
Yeah, it's Yes. And
26:38
the thing is, Dinwiddie got a lot of credit as the quarterback whisperer.
26:42
Look what he did with MBT,
26:44
Sure.
26:44
look what he did with Kelly. Watching Mike Miller work with Kelly this year,
26:49
I'm wondering how much of that was Dinwiddie and how much of it was Miller
26:52
as the quarterback coach all along.
26:53
Yeah. Yeah.
26:55
I mean I mean, if anything, these these these quarterbacks have taken a step back,
27:01
you know. ~ now over there in Toronto,
27:05
Chad Kelly sat out the whole year last year
27:08
Mm.
27:08
and he's had his issues this season,
27:11
but it's not like the quarterback situation was awesome at Toronto when they were
27:16
dropping their last five games,
27:18
you know, coming out of the bye,
27:20
Definitely true. Yeah. Yeah.
27:20
So so I don't know. I something is amiss with the actual
27:24
coaching staff here, the actual head coach in Ottawa.
27:29
I I
27:29
Yes.
27:30
O and nine is pretty unimaginable.
27:34
~
27:34
Yes.
27:36
I mean we knew that they weren't gonna be great this year,
27:38
but wow. Wow.
27:40
with the salary cap he's here there for at least two years.
27:42
So I don't know. Maybe they it maybe they do manage to rebuild in the second half
27:47
of this year after shedding a lot of that high price down.
27:49
The rumor seems to be that his magic solution is to bid high on Kelly 'cause
27:55
his contract is ~ up at the end of the year and bring him over.
27:59
I have my doubts.
27:59
wow. wow.
28:00
I don't I don't know if I would do that if I were Chad Kelly.
28:04
I I I might stay in Toronto at that point.
28:07
I mean Toronto probably gonna make the playoffs this year.
28:10
Well I shouldn't say probably,
28:11
Yep. Yeah. Yeah, that we'll talk about that later with the games 'cause that
28:12
but they could. They could. Yeah.
28:15
got weird.
28:16
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
28:18
Yeah. Yeah, it's
28:18
sure did. Sure did.
28:20
I don't know. Plus the other thing is to get Kelly they would have to spend
28:24
so much money they just wouldn't be able to afford any other talent,
28:27
so
28:27
Yeah.
28:28
I don't know. But we'll let that figure that out.
28:31
I'm also gonna we do a couple of things that we talk about every week just
28:35
to keep people sort of up to date real quick.
28:37
We talk about the attendance and it's been sticking pretty consistent between about
28:42
averaging
28:43
Twenty one to twenty four thousand this year,
28:45
mostly. Same thing this week. Calgary was the lowest with just over seventeen
28:50
thousand. Surprise Winnipeg was the highest.
28:52
they had their thirty one change they always get.
28:54
Edmonton didn't get the thirty thousand the riders brought in,
28:57
but they had twenty two. And the average was just under twenty three thousand.
29:00
So still looking good.
29:03
The other thing we talk about is generally anybody who's been signed
29:06
or released another quiet week.
29:08
The only name that's anybody will recognize possibly is the red black sign Benny
29:14
Sapp the third, who was a D B with Saskatchewan last year and then played
29:18
a couple of games with Calgary earlier this year.
29:20
So again, looking for whatever they can.
29:22
They're hurting in the back defensive backfield.
29:25
Mm-hmm. Not sure
29:26
And that pretty much.
29:27
that's gonna move the needle either,
29:28
but
29:29
No. Well
29:30
it tells tells you something that it was a slow week when Benny Sap the Third is
29:33
Yeah.
29:34
the the big name to mention. Yeah.
29:36
Right, right, yeah. The practice squad guy.
29:37
Especially after we've been Yeah.
29:39
Yeah. Yeah.
29:40
Especially after we've been spoilt being able to talk about Gina Lewis being
29:44
released and all the rest of it,
29:45
Yeah. Yeah.
29:47
you know.
29:47
Will what do you think? Will Gino play again this year?
29:51
Will anybody pick him up? I mean,
29:53
he seemed to be an excellent candidate for the Riders now that they have what?
29:58
Three, four receivers on the sixth game at various points?
30:00
Yeah. Th the problem with the Riders
30:02
I mean, you would
30:03
is they're they're pretty much stuck with what they've got with having
30:07
to go with Canadian receivers in three spots and it's
30:10
Mm.
30:11
the Canadians that are hurt. So
30:13
Yeah.
30:13
g getting Gino in there not necessarily
30:16
Yeah, good point.
30:16
the best. I would say my guess is he'll play sometime down the stretch when when
30:22
a good American receiver gets hurt.
30:24
You know, it's and I'm like this is not
30:27
jinxing anybody, but I'm just saying,
30:29
you know, to to to put some of the names that are out there like ~ like
30:33
a Keon Hatcher or DeMonte Coxie or well,
30:37
it won't be Austin Mack 'cause he's not going b back to Edmonton after
30:41
the whole saga w with him and Ed.
30:41
Yeah, yeah, no, no. No, no,
30:43
So yeah yes. But
30:45
not likely.
30:47
nah. But so we'll see. I think he will get back somewhere,
30:50
but probably not right away. And that kind of takes us to,
30:54
like I said, all the news, so the games.
30:57
And
30:57
I don't know how you felt. I didn't feel like it was a great week of CFL games.
31:01
I mean part of it is I d I didn't necessarily declare to you,
31:05
but you can tell from behind me.
31:07
I do bleed green a little bit.
31:09
And so I I'm not th that game was disappointing,
31:14
but I understand why it happened completely.
31:16
So that's not a problem. But the the rest of the games it just it didn't feel like
31:21
a hugely exciting weekend to me.
31:23
It felt
31:24
kinda sloppy. I mean we started with B C going into Calgary and they
31:30
won thirty twenty six. But it but Calgary started out with a march and
31:34
got a field goal. And then they there was a McInnis catch that wasn't
31:39
a catch that they challenged and got them off the field and there was
31:42
a punt and they got another field goal.
31:43
And then Jackson fumbled and they got another field goal.
31:46
And then they got a finally got a touchdown and missed the convert and they were
31:50
up fifteen nothing and it looked like it should be
31:53
Pretty much them. And then the Lions woke up somehow.
31:56
I don't know. They outscored Calgary 13-8 in the second half.
32:00
VA took a run up the middle. Got hit,
32:04
probably another head injury. And even though they Calgary had a late game drive,
32:08
it just didn't work out.
32:11
Yeah, this Calgary team. I just end up shaking my head repeatedly.
32:16
I mean, last week, you know, I literally went back and watched
32:21
the game again because I I just couldn't understand what had happened.
32:27
You know, Chad is giving up the ball,
32:30
what, six times last week, and still Calgary loses In this game,
32:35
BC had
32:37
24 yards in the first quarter.
32:40
Okay. And 21 of that was on that third drive where they still had to punt,
32:46
after getting one first down. And this was under two minutes in the quarter.
32:51
And like you said, Calgary goes up 15 to nothing.
32:55
then all of a sudden, you know,
32:58
~ we get some positive reinforcement,
33:00
right? And
33:02
Rourke goes to Jermaine Jackson for that 85 yarder,
33:06
Yes, but
33:06
one
33:06
play, making up basically, you know,
33:09
what, half forty percent of his yards for the game.
33:12
And it's one of these classic Nathan Rourke's this season where he's throwing
33:17
it off his feet. You know, yeah,
33:20
he's running away, but there was really no reason for him to jump and throw
33:24
Yeah.
33:24
it. You know? And then that was enough to kill Calgary?
33:29
You know, Calgary had no answers after after,
33:31
Yeah.
33:32
you know, going up fifteen to seven.
33:35
You know, they had what?
33:37
Yeah.
33:37
What is up with this Calgary team?
33:39
The only thing that comes to mind is that ~ I remember last year where Calgary
33:46
closed the season on a three and four run.
33:49
And in four of those games, literally Vernon Adams produced no passing touchdowns.
33:56
I just feel like we're going back to that.
33:58
Vernon, you know, after years and years,
34:01
a few with the with the Aluettes,
34:03
of just, you know, chucking the ball willy-nilly,
34:07
Brett Favre style, you know, creating yards with his feet,
34:11
throwing for four touchdowns, but also three interceptions in a game.
34:16
Now all of a sudden he's become pocket passer.
34:19
He's become,
34:20
conservative on the downfield throws,
34:23
and yet there's no numbers. You know,
34:26
there's no production here. it's from one extreme to another in in Vernon's career.
34:32
you feel like this past couple of seasons when he's really gained that,
34:36
self-control psychologically, that here's a guy that's destined to
34:40
win the Great Cup. I'm not so sure anymore.
34:43
suddenly, Calgary's in last place in that division.
34:47
And and okay, BC has,
34:50
you know, secret weapons, Xander Horvat,
34:53
the secret Hungarian out there in this game,
34:55
134 total yards. but that shouldn't be enough.
35:00
That shouldn't be enough. Nathan Rourke has not been on the same page
35:04
as his receivers all year long.
35:06
And I mean, like I say, this whole game was about one or two long plays
35:12
for the BC offense. I just
35:13
Yeah.
35:15
Calgary has just been an enigma.
35:17
all I know is now ~ what, in the past couple of seasons,
35:21
they're on a twenty one and twenty five run after this long playoff run,
35:26
you know.
35:26
Yeah.
35:27
and I don't know, maybe maybe some some
35:31
Maybe they should blow up this team.
35:33
I mean, you figured after parting ways with Bo Levi Mitchell,
35:36
that maybe, you know, it's a new era in Calgary.
35:40
They're gonna blow up the team,
35:42
they're gonna rework things. but they didn't.
35:44
They didn't. they just tried to make the transition,
35:47
but maybe they should. You know.
35:49
It's it could
35:50
be time. I mean the Nathan thing Nathan is can is capable of making some spectacular
35:56
plays, but
35:57
Yeah.
35:58
but he doesn't scare me the way I thought he would when
36:01
after his first year up here and then he went south if he came back.
36:04
He's he just he isn't consistent with it.
36:07
VA is a completely different thing,
36:09
which I do not understand. This
36:11
Yeah.
36:11
is a quarterback who earlier this year went out and hung six touchdowns
36:16
and what was it, fifty-four points on the Toronto Argonauts,
36:18
yeah.
36:19
and looked like he was just a surgeon out there.
36:22
And three, four weeks later, with the same basic team,
36:26
no real changes,
36:28
Two games in a row, he looks like he has no idea where to throw the ball.
36:32
He he just looks
36:33
Yep. Yep.
36:34
lost and holding it and unfortunately,
36:37
~ this is if anybody who's been a fan of this since I started three years
36:42
ago knows one of my big, big complaints is they never show us an
36:47
all twenty four look, or very rarely on the TV.
36:50
So you can't really tell what the defenses are doing to stifle him,
36:53
but something has changed.
36:55
And I don't know if it's gotten his head.
36:55
Yeah.
36:57
He gets into these slumps it seems like and
36:59
Yeah, yeah, I mean I mean ever since he was with the Als and blowing big leads
37:05
or or just, you know, fourth just terrible fourth quarters,
37:09
y you're convinced that his problems are psychological,
37:13
purely. I mean, because clearly the guy has physical skills.
37:17
Yeah.
37:17
I mean he doesn't run like he used to,
37:19
but he's got the skills, in the day he could read the defense.
37:24
He could tell when the play was broken and just take off.
37:26
You know, now I don't know, again,
37:28
like the psychological issues are back.
37:30
You know, we thought that this was he was past this after
37:33
Yeah.
37:33
the last couple of seasons, but maybe not.
37:35
Maybe not, and again, you've got the Calgary defense just giving
37:39
up points in bunches. I mean, again,
37:42
somehow they generate
37:43
Yeah.
37:44
five turnovers last week and still give up what thirty two,
37:48
thirty three points?
37:48
thirty three, I think it was, yeah.
37:50
Yeah. And it's just like
37:53
You know, I you can't you can't have a defense like that if your offense isn't gonna
37:58
put up points in bunches, which by the way,
38:00
Calgary was doing
38:02
Yeah.
38:02
through the first what, like eight games.
38:05
You
38:06
Yeah.
38:06
know, they were just averaging,
38:08
they were averaging thirty-three,
38:09
thirty-four points a game, you know,
38:11
i it was huge.
38:11
and
38:12
And but you never know which VA you're gonna get.
38:15
this is what
38:15
Right.
38:16
I feel like after last year. I said in after the Toronto game l a week
38:20
and a half ago, okay, maybe he was off.
38:23
It was a short week. Maybe Toronto found something to confuse him.
38:27
I'll wait and see. But he does have kind of a history of once he starts
38:31
to slump he slumps. And that's what we're seeing now.
38:33
Yep.
38:33
And then for the rest of the season
38:36
What we saw last year, he may come back and have a fantastic game.
38:38
Or he may just stink out the place and you don't know.
38:42
Yeah, well this season he has to have more than a fantastic game.
38:45
That defense is giving up thirty-three points a game,
38:47
you know. So you know,
38:47
Yeah. Well, again it's yeah. well.
38:51
what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?
38:51
Good luck to the Calgary folks,
38:53
Yeah.
38:53
but yeah, it's not looking
38:55
exceptionally good th only bright spot in their season right now is Winnipeg.
39:00
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was week one.
39:03
no, no, that was the revenge for week one.
39:04
Yes. Well, they lost to that, but I mean by bright spot
39:06
I'm sorry. Yeah.
39:07
I mean the way Winnipeg's running right now too,
39:10
I will mention one
39:11
Yeah.
39:11
other st one other stat from this B C game,
39:13
which was ~ even more surprising that they ~ ended up with the win.
39:17
Calgary didn't take a lot of penalties.
39:19
B C took nine of them for ninety four yards.
39:21
Yep. Yep.
39:21
And yet
39:23
Anyway.
39:23
I mean, this is look, last week Toronto wanted to give Calgary the game,
39:28
they didn't take it. This week
39:30
Yeah.
39:30
BC wanted to give Calgary the game,
39:32
they didn't take it. You know?
39:33
Yeah.
39:34
I mean they're the Calgary is gonna look back on this season and say,
39:37
Well, we could have won this game,
39:38
we could've won this game,
39:39
Yeah.
39:39
we could have won this game, this this
39:41
But they didn't.
39:41
these poor guys could be in third place right now in the West.
39:45
Yeah. yeah, easily. Yeah. They they people
39:45
Easy. They could have a winning record.
39:47
They could have a winning record,
39:48
but
39:49
could be talking about them in the same breath as the as basically,
39:53
the the Aloettes, the Elks and the Riders.
39:55
If they'd won three
39:55
Sure, sure.
39:57
of those games that they should have won,
39:58
but they don't, and that's why they're at this they're in that second tier.
40:03
But I'm yeah. I
40:04
So wild.
40:06
mentioned Winnipeg and that's the next game to talk about.
40:08
Winnipeg thirty three at Ottawa twenty one.
40:11
Sounds like a nice victory for Winnipeg.
40:14
But
40:14
Mm-hmm.
40:14
it was Ottawa. And it wasn't just Ottawa.
40:16
Yeah.
40:17
Ottawa is Ottawa is snake bitten now.
40:20
Not only are they finding new ways to lose,
40:23
the football gods are finding new ways to take the victories away from them.
40:28
I mean two plays to to me that just absolutely wrapped up the
40:33
Red Black season completely is they get a nice look into tight end Jevoni Robinson
40:38
He's open rumbling down the field.
40:40
He's not gonna score, but he's gonna get it down to probably the ten,
40:43
Yeah!
40:43
five yard line,
40:44
and his leg blows up on him. They haven't said what it is,
40:47
Yeah.
40:48
but just
40:48
mid stride he goes down, And then the second one yeah.
40:50
Yeah, that was really suspicious.
40:52
Yeah. If you're a gambler, you're looking at that going,
40:55
Wait a minute Especially since,
40:57
you know, he just came right up.
40:58
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
40:59
I mean, yeah, you have to sit out three plays when you when the when
41:02
Well, he didn't get back in the game.
41:03
the medics come out there.
41:04
He
41:04
he was out and he was a DNP at practice this week,
41:07
so it's it is something, but I'm hoping it's not Achilles.
41:10
I'm hoping it's something in a knee or something like that that just twigged on him,
41:14
but we'll see. 'Cause I like him.
41:15
I think he's a good player. But they had that,
41:17
but then the other play that they had,
41:18
they have a touchdown wide open in the end zone,
41:21
and Maier puts it off the upright.
41:24
Which you know, you can't plan on doing that.
41:27
And those two things, along with Ottawa's other ways of losing games,
41:33
got combined with the fact that hey,
41:36
Tommy Condell has started using Radio Oliveira.
41:40
It took him seven
41:41
Yeah.
41:42
games, but he's discovered he's on the roster and he's used he used him effectively.
41:46
And between the two of those things,
41:48
Winnipeg got the win.
41:50
Yeah, that's what I noted the most.
41:52
I mean, I guess it's I guess it's no longer surprising for me that
41:56
~ Ottawa's gonna lose these games.
41:58
But it kind of felt like, you know,
42:01
after that first quarter, I mean,
42:03
~ bam bam, Ottawa gave two sacks.
42:05
but then after that it was twenty twenty one all over again.
42:09
You know, Brady Oliveira ended the game with a hundred and fifty four total yards,
42:14
~ passing and receiving, you know,
42:16
making an
42:16
Yeah.
42:17
Making an effort. Yes, the defense did give up a couple of more sacks,
42:21
but on the other hand, the Winnipeg offense had no turnovers in the game.
42:26
they went on the twenty-six to six run,
42:28
beginning in the second quarter,
42:29
going two two minutes left in the game.
42:32
So basically they kept the opposition out of the end zone for what?
42:36
That would be forty-three minutes.
42:38
So,
42:38
Yeah.
42:39
you know, pretty impressive there.
42:41
Winnipeg looked good, but you know,
42:44
I mean, I don't want to bag too much,
42:46
but it's the Red Blacks in 2026.
42:48
Yeah.
42:49
Winnipeg to me, it's outstanding that Winnipeg is actually holding
42:55
on to third place. They're holding on to a winning record.
42:58
I mean, I picked these guys for last place at the beginning of the season.
43:03
You figure they've got to turn into the pillar of salt eventually here.
43:08
the the stagecoach is gonna become a pumpkin at some point.
43:11
But I guess not yet. Zach Colaros came back,
43:15
was not superstar, but was not bad.
43:19
You know, had a nice solid game,
43:21
didn't make any dumb mistakes.
43:23
I mean, he held on to the ball a little bit too much in that first quarter.
43:26
I think ~ in that first quarter it wasn't so much the offensive line,
43:31
it was just, you know, Zach holding on to the ball for too long.
43:35
Yes.
43:35
I
43:35
mean, the truth is Ottawa hasn't had a real pass rush in years now.
43:40
So it's not about it's not about the offensive line getting beat.
43:44
So, but besides
43:45
Yeah. No but
43:46
from that, I mean, you know, Winnipeg ~ apparently they're still capable
43:51
of playing solid ball. And since BC and Calgary have been like a heart attack this
43:56
season in terms of consistency,
43:58
you know, Winnipeg is ~ looks like a solid playoff team.
44:02
Yeah, they they I expect that they will they'll be in whether it's in in third
44:08
or in the crossover, depending on what happens
44:10
In the crossover.
44:11
with B C but but yeah. But the thing is it's in some way yeah,
44:15
Zach was okay.
44:16
my own feeling for whatever it's worth,
44:19
people can disagree with me. I think Zach's been overrated for the last
44:22
two or three years. I think his best days are behind him.
44:24
And frankly, it's amazing he came back in 'cause he was out of the game
44:28
for a while after Cormier hit him on that blind side
44:31
Yeah.
44:32
blitz square in the back, clean hit.
44:34
He did not see that coming. He went down hard.
44:36
I thought he was done, especially with his neck problems.
44:39
But he came back in and finished off the game.
44:43
And they got the win. So
44:45
I'm not sure. I don't know if I would call him overrated.
44:48
Past past the prime. Yeah, of course.
44:51
Sure, sure, sure. ~
44:53
Yeah.
44:54
he's not he's not the ageless wonder that Trevor Harris seems to be,
44:59
for example.
44:59
Yeah.
45:00
But I mean, clearly, clearly, he's still a a team leader.
45:05
He's still a smart guy. I mean,
45:06
again, they did not turn the ball over in this game.
45:09
Yeah. He does still Yeah. He still reads
45:10
At all. Zero. So
45:13
defenses really well. There's things he does well.
45:15
When I say overrated, I say that because I see way too many people talking about
45:21
him as if he was Zack in the prime of his career.
45:24
Right. Right.
45:24
Especially when
45:25
he was out and then they struggled with Brown in there and they struggled with
45:29
Elgersma Zack is back, he's the savior.
45:31
Well, Zack's good, but he's not Zac what Zack used to be.
45:34
That's I guess that's
45:35
Mm-hmm.
45:35
my point.
45:36
Yeah.
45:37
~ the other thing that I thought
45:38
Right.
45:39
for whatever it's worth is that they're they're the where the Elks were
45:44
f three or four years ago. Games if it's anywhere near close,
45:47
they're tightening up and they're making bad decisions and making stupid mistakes,
45:51
including on the coaching side.
45:53
Dinwiddie twice went for two point converts when he was down by two points.
45:59
Kick the convert, it's a long game,
46:02
keep it going.
46:03
You know, you get to down towards the end of that game,
46:06
it ended up as well, where was it?
46:09
It was a ~ a twelve point game.
46:11
Two converts in there, it would be a ten point game and that's a different thing
46:15
if with four or five minutes left in it.
46:18
Mm-hmm.
46:20
Anything else worth talking about in this this one?
46:22
I'm surprised we got that much out of it.
46:24
so then the then the very close game that started Saturday where Edmonton barely
46:30
eked one over Toronto forty two to twelve.
46:32
I mean
46:32
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, you take a
46:35
you take away that twenty-eight point run,
46:37
you know. Now it's a now it's a fourteen twelve game,
46:38
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:41
you know.
46:42
Unfortunately there was a twenty-eight point run.
46:44
I felt like two things were happening in this game.
46:47
As I mentioned before, you know,
46:49
Edmonton in week nine had that futile game against Saskatchewan where they just
46:54
couldn't score from the red zone,
46:56
they really got their
46:58
They really got torn up by the Montreal in week 10.
47:01
and I felt like on one hand, they really,
47:04
really, really took it out on the Argos.
47:06
But in a year when,
47:10
to this point, defenses have not been turning the ball over in the CFL,
47:15
you have the Argos. Last week,
47:17
six turnovers could have been more.
47:20
This week, six turnovers.
47:22
And it's not just like you put everything on Chad who threw five picks last week.
47:28
I mean, because this was an equal opportunity mistake
47:28
Yes. Yes.
47:31
machine in Toronto. Six turnovers,
47:34
two of them were two and outs,
47:35
two of them were interceptions,
47:38
two of them were fumbles, including one on special teams.
47:41
I mean, this team is like it's not just Chad Kelly,
47:45
although you can put a lot on Chad Kelly,
47:47
Yeah.
47:48
because the truth is there could have been two more turnovers in this game.
47:52
One on a Chad Kelly fumble that was recovered by his own player,
47:56
and one on a Chad Kelly interception that was overturned on a penalty.
47:58
Yeah. Yeah.
48:00
So he easily could have had eight turnovers in this game.
48:03
Yes.
48:04
this is what's gonna kill Toronto.
48:07
The amazing thing is Hamilton is so I mean,
48:11
the roster is so depleted on on Hamilton that Toronto might end
48:17
up in second place in this eastern division.
48:21
~ if there's ever an incentive for a crossover in the West,
48:25
it's Toronto because Toronto is vulnerable.
48:29
Now, yeah, I mean I guess you can put some of this on the lack of home games,
48:34
but there's a limit. There's a limit.
48:35
~ No it yeah, they
48:37
I don't know
48:38
what's going on in the CFL. I don't know if it's the game clock,
48:42
but like I said, you know, defenses are not turning it over this season in general,
48:47
except against Toronto.
48:49
Toronto is just giving this ball away repeatedly.
48:51
Yeah. Well and except Edmonton.
48:52
If they can solve that, this might be a decent team.
48:54
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
48:56
But it's it
48:58
Well
48:58
seems weird to say after a thirty point loss,
49:00
but Jesus, they turned it over last time six times and they won.
49:04
they they play shootout football.
49:06
We'll find a
49:07
yeah.
49:07
way to outscore the other team and if we do,
49:09
great if we don't. mind you, Edmonton's the outlier on the defense.
49:12
They've been they didn't get any turnovers for I think the first two or three weeks,
49:16
but they've been consistent since that.
49:17
They're way up on everybody else.
49:19
But my ~ the line that I was using was I was saying Toronto was running
49:24
a very balanced offense. They were turning over the ball in
49:27
every phase of the game, you know,
49:27
Yep. Yep. Right.
49:29
every phase of the offense. Passing,
49:31
running, not getting first down.
49:31
Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely.
49:33
And
49:35
frankly, Edmonton opened up their first drive with a fumble.
49:38
That I think cost them a a field goal against Toronto.
49:42
But that was
49:42
really almost the only mistake they made,
49:45
or obvious one. From there they just they they did a fantastic
49:50
job of pressuring Kelly and they didn't let him out of the pocket,
49:52
which is where he's been beating people.
49:54
He gets outside and then gets some of those deep passes when
49:57
the scrambling's going on.
49:59
Edmonton had basically played six quarters of losing football in a row.
50:03
And then when they like and when they turned it over on the first drive,
50:07
you're like, ~ God,
50:07
Yeah. Yeah.
50:09
they're just gonna fall off the table here.
50:11
But nope, nope, nope. It looks like that might be over.
50:14
~ unfortunately for the rest of the West.
50:17
I think Edmonton's ~ dry period may be over.
50:21
I mean,
50:21
Yeah.
50:21
this is one thing I've been pointing this out on the show this season.
50:24
there's this tendency
50:27
I guess it's recency bias. But there's this tendency in the CFL,
50:31
there was a couple of seasons,
50:33
you know well enough, where the riders came out of the gate six and ~ six and
50:37
Yeah.
50:37
one, whatever, and you're like,
50:39
my god, this is the greatest team ever.
50:41
But this is the CFL. You have these runs of four or five weeks where you know,
50:47
you're one and three or you're three and one and everybody's buying
50:50
or selling on you, and then you know,
50:52
you come back. I mean, this is just the way that the CFL works.
50:56
Mm-hmm.
50:56
You just
50:57
have these runs. I feel like, however,
50:59
the Edmonton bad streak may be over.
51:02
I think that was it. I think, you know,
51:04
and two and a bad first quarter in this game.
51:07
now for the rest of the way they should be at least what,
51:10
seven fifty I would guess.
51:12
Yeah, I would think so.
51:13
probably lose other games, but not badly.
51:17
even with the teams below that top three,
51:19
there are teams in this league that if they have a good day
51:22
day will challenge Edmonton. But it's not gonna happen consistently.
51:26
They're not costing themselves games.
51:27
No.
51:28
they're not losing games. Occasionally someone may win one over them,
51:32
but they're not losing them the way they used to.
51:34
I yeah.
51:35
Until this week, correct me if
51:37
I'm wrong, but until this week the top three teams in the league,
51:40
Edmonton, Saskatchewan and Montreal,
51:42
had only lost against themselves.
51:45
Right? That was it. Like they're not losing to
51:45
Yeah. no, that's yeah.
51:48
anybody else in this league, these three teams.
51:50
That's not true.
51:50
The the Riders found a way to lose to Toronto.
51:54
yeah, that's right. That's right.
51:55
That's right. That's right.
51:56
I've been I've I've bled green for so long and nothing surprises me with
52:00
the Riders anymore.
52:01
Yeah.
52:02
Yeah. Yeah. That's an unfortunate loss,
52:04
like this week's loss.
52:05
Yeah. Yeah, it was. And exactly.
52:07
And that one I didn't understand.
52:09
This week's one I kinda understand,
52:11
but they we'll get to that. I always like smart football plays.
52:15
And Edmonton,
52:16
Yeah.
52:17
when Kenneth Logan Jr. went down,
52:19
they they juggled their backfield and they brought Trevor Reed in from
52:22
the practice squad. And I think if I remember right,
52:24
they had him starting at the boundary halfback.
52:26
Well
52:28
Towards the end of the game, there's a tip ball and JJ Ross gets a pick
52:33
six out of it. Which was a beautiful interception and run.
52:36
But with the reason I mention Reed,
52:38
the only person who had a chance to stop Ross at all was Kelly himself,
52:43
coming down
52:44
Yeah.
52:44
to it. Reed was coming down on him.
52:48
Traditional football, you would have taken the shot at the quarterback,
52:51
laid him out big time, and taken a fifteen-yard penalty and cost yourself
52:55
a touchdown. He just
52:56
He did the smart thing. He just ran in front of him and slowed down.
53:00
l smart football.
53:02
Yeah. And it was funny too because Kelly had no intention of actually trying
53:06
for the tackle. It looked
53:06
No. No.
53:07
like and it looked like he was trying to draw the foul.
53:10
It looked like he was trying to draw that hit.
53:13
But
53:13
Yeah.
53:13
no, Reed wasn't falling for it.
53:15
So yeah, well well put. Well put.
53:17
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Smart play by Reed Yep.
53:18
Yes. Yeah. It was. And and the only other thing
53:20
Yep. Invisible play.
53:22
I that I have to mention, this is his honor in honor of MJ who's not here this week
53:27
'cause she loves pointing out what she calls the TSN shade.
53:30
The way when something goes
53:31
Yeah.
53:32
wrong for somebody they just they lock a camera on for the next ten minutes.
53:36
And they did that to Coxie the after the tip that went that was intercepted
53:40
for that touchdown. They just
53:41
Yeah.
53:42
would not leave him alone. And he
53:44
Yeah.
53:45
I mean I don't need to see how bad he feels,
53:47
I can tell. You know, and full credit to
53:48
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:50
Pickett over there, obviously doing best he could to pick him up but yeah,
53:55
do we really need to see that over and over?
53:58
Yeah, well yeah. He had he had ~ what,
54:01
he had turned it over previously to that or he had missed the touchdown catch or the
54:04
Yeah He no, he
54:06
was that was the one where he that was the the pick six.
54:09
The ball was to him
54:10
Yeah.
54:11
slightly behind and he bobbled it a bit and tipped it up straight to Ross.
54:14
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But prior to that it had another play too and yeah.
54:14
Yeah. Yeah,
54:18
th you're right. There was
54:19
Yeah.
54:19
another one that didn't go well.
54:21
I think a drop that was an obvious should have been a catch
54:24
MJ is completely justified in her reactions.
54:27
~ I remember how they were teeing off on McMainus the week prior to that,
54:31
where, you know, it's just like you know,
54:34
he's faking an injury. You know,
54:35
yeah. yeah, she had stuff to say about that.
54:37
it's just like Yeah, why won't they why won't they just quit it with that?
54:38
Yeah.
54:43
I mean, you know, so so yeah, ~ she was well justified in that for sure.
54:43
No. I I don't know. It's Yeah.
54:48
S they've got some tendencies that are there.
54:51
I mean not this game so much, but last week,
54:54
that B C debacle against Hamilton where they did win but the offense was terrible.
55:00
The Glen Souter I mentioned this last week,
55:02
but I'll say it again. He was just
55:04
He was raving about Rourke the entire time.
55:07
Rourke did nothing wrong. Receiver the ball those those were all drops.
55:11
Yeah, they were three feet away from the receiver,
55:13
but it was a drop, you know. It just it was like that.
55:16
And the the other thing I've noticed this week is he seems to have become
55:19
the agent for I can't remember the first name,
55:23
McKenna, the new linebacker for B C that's been in there for about three weeks,
55:26
four weeks. He he cannot stop talking about how fantastic he is.
55:30
And I've seen the guy make a couple of good plays,
55:32
but
55:33
I don't know how that comes if you're not on commission.
55:33
I mean sometimes sometimes I yeah,
55:37
exactly. I
55:37
gotta say, look, Suits has the knowledge and whatnot,
55:41
but there are some weeks when he makes me miss Rod Black.
55:44
I mean
55:45
Yeah. Yeah.
55:47
I mean honestly honestly
55:49
Yeah.
55:50
suitor yeah, yeah, yeah.
55:51
Yeah, he's ~
55:52
he can be very good. And then I get the feeling there
55:54
Yeah.
55:55
are some games where well, he might have been out the night before
55:59
or something and I'm just coasting.
56:00
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, that's my feeling
56:01
I'm coasting here.
56:03
on it. Yeah, he's got the Troy Aikman ~ thing going on there.
56:06
Yeah. Anyway, so that that was
56:07
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't take this game too seriously.
56:11
that was Edmonton in in Toronto.
56:13
And so then we had the game that was supposed to be the other sure lock
56:16
of the weekend with
56:18
Ha ha
56:18
Saskatchewan
56:19
going into Hamilton. Hamilton had Harrison Frost in at quarterback.
56:24
And it didn't work for Saskatchewan,
56:27
and we'll talk about why. But yeah,
56:29
it was Hamilton twenty-six, Saskatchewan nineteen.
56:32
Game got bookended by Harris interceptions.
56:35
His very first pass of the game got tipped and went to Katsantonis And then
56:40
his very last throw of the game when they were down seven and deep in their
56:43
own end with a like a minute to go,
56:45
he threw into triple coverage.
56:46
And I think it was Stubblefield that picked that one off.
56:49
But to me, we can talk about a bunch of other
56:52
Yeah, stubble.
56:53
things. This came down to the fact.
56:56
that that Saskatchewan offense with Harris is very much a timing offense
57:00
and a ball control. He's throwing to where the player's gonna be,
57:04
when it's gonna be. And with the missing Emless and KSB you could see
57:08
it just it wasn't it. They had four or five drives that got stopped
57:14
on second down when either the pass or the player wasn't in the right spot.
57:19
Mm-hmm. yeah.
57:19
And that was true
57:20
somewhat last week against Ottawa and they got away with it.
57:23
Hamilton has a regardless of what Hamilton's offense is doing,
57:27
Hamilton has a fantastic defense and you couldn't get away with that kind
57:32
of miscommunication. And I really think that that was the game.
57:36
I'm not surprised by it. Mind you,
57:39
the other thing that happened,
57:40
if Frost had stayed in there, I suspect the Riders would have still
57:42
won because Frost came out at the half,
57:46
maybe injured, maybe not. They were
57:48
Coy about that. And Ford went in and did what Ford's capable of doing.
57:53
Started running around, getting outside,
57:55
had a fantastic pass to Carrick Wheatpool deep in the end zone.
58:00
I think it was about a 50-55-yard pass that Wheatfield laid out for as good
58:04
as the pass was the catch was better.
58:04
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
58:06
You know, and now
58:08
I will say this: I do not complain about calls costing you the game.
58:13
And it's entirely possible that my green blood sort of had my vision
58:17
a little bit impaired. But after that touchdown,
58:20
not during any of the replays,
58:22
but when they came back from the commercial and they showed the final shot of that,
58:26
after it was all said and done,
58:28
it looked to me like the ball moved a little bit when he landed.
58:31
I'm not absolutely certain that was a catch.
58:34
I mean they got it, and full credit to them.
58:36
But
58:37
And I didn't I was I was in a mind frame,
58:39
I didn't even go I'm gonna rewind and see that again.
58:42
I just thought, Okay, it's matter it doesn't matter,
58:43
it was there. But it looked to me like maybe it moved.
58:46
Mind you, that could also be my vision 'cause,
58:47
Don't you don't you hate that about don't you hate that about modern football where
58:49
you know Yeah.
58:52
you where you have to say, I don't know if that was a catch?
58:55
I mean, come on, come on.
58:55
Yeah.
58:57
this makes me crazy about modern football.
59:00
yeah, in before
59:01
It's like
59:01
the replay that would have been a catch no no question about it.
59:04
Yeah, yeah.
59:05
And even at that, I mean
59:06
it was a great effort and if it moved it didn't move a whole lot,
59:09
so don't take anything away from it.
59:11
But But there it was.
59:11
Yeah. Yeah.
59:13
clearly Trevor Harris is not throwing to his receiving core.
59:17
he doesn't have the guys that he wants out there anymore.
59:20
In fact, they lost another one in this game.
59:22
~ yeah.
59:23
Yeah, maybe. I'm waiting to see the the reports on that.
59:25
Yeah, we still
59:26
He went back in after
59:27
he went down, but I'm afra I yeah.
59:29
No injury reports yet for them this week.
59:32
Yeah, yeah. I was wondering about that coming into the show today.
59:35
But I mean, for me, this was all about the fourth quarter.
59:40
What
59:40
Mm-hmm.
59:41
happened in the fourth quarter?
59:42
I mean, yeah, you talk about Hamilton defense.
59:46
McMainus was dominant in that fourth quarter.
59:49
he had a couple
59:49
Yeah.
59:50
of sacks, I think, in the fourth quarter.
59:52
He certainly had one to start the fourth quarter.
59:54
But I actually took notes on this,
59:56
just what happened in the fourth quarter.
59:59
And and and you talk about Trey Ford.
1:00:01
Well, this happens a lot in football,
1:00:03
where you either start the game with the unknown factor at quarterback,
1:00:09
or you bring in the second stringer in the second half,
1:00:14
like in this game, and the defense just didn't prep for this guy,
1:00:18
especially with a guy like Trey Ford,
1:00:21
who's completely different from any other quarterback
1:00:23
clearly that's the case with with ~ you know Harrison Ford.
1:00:27
Actually, yeah, if you combine the two quarterbacks,
1:00:28
Yes. They keep saying yeah.
1:00:30
if
1:00:30
you combine the two quarterbacks,
1:00:32
you get Harrison Ford. but ~ but yeah,
1:00:35
I mean he's clearly a different quarterback.
1:00:36
But look, in the fourth quarter,
1:00:37
he didn't run at all. He ran once.
1:00:40
He ran once for the first down.
1:00:42
He had like a 11, 12 yard gain.
1:00:44
But they didn't even need that the way they were moving against Saskatchewan.
1:00:49
He was just pocket passing the whole time.
1:00:50
Yeah.
1:00:51
Twice Wheatfall was left open enough in the end zone.
1:00:55
He could have hit him a second time and he
1:00:57
Yes, should have.
1:00:58
just overthrew him a little bit,
1:01:00
but Wheatfall was wide open. What was up with the rider defense?
1:01:05
And yeah, Trevor Harris is going two and out,
1:01:07
two and out. ~ there was one drive where he almost throws the interception twice,
1:01:13
and then it ends up being a two and out anyway.
1:01:16
But
1:01:17
I mean, just what happened to the Riders in that fourth quarter?
1:01:20
the Ticats were moving the ball at will,
1:01:22
which they haven't done this season since Bo Levi went out.
1:01:25
Well, I can tell you what I think happened.
1:01:27
even though it wasn't Ford running,
1:01:29
I think it was still the impact of him because a big part
1:01:32
of the Saskatchewan defense, which wasn't hasn't been as good this year,
1:01:36
but is still there, is their their ability to rush with four and
1:01:40
put pressure on quarterbacks. after Ford came in in the third quarter
1:01:43
and got a couple of those runs that he got outside if you look
1:01:47
The Saskatchewan rush was much more about containing him in the pocket than actually
1:01:52
pushing hard to get to the quarterback.
1:01:54
And that gave a little bit more time for plays to develop.
1:01:57
And if he was as bad as a lot of people want him to be and s and
1:02:01
if he really couldn't throw from the pocket,
1:02:02
it wouldn't have mattered. But he was pretty damn good out of the pocket.
1:02:05
I think that's what happened. I I think that's why the back end didn't hold
1:02:09
up is they were just he had too much time.
1:02:13
the other thing is Roundtree got a couple of reasonable runs.
1:02:16
Not fantastic, but you know, eight,
1:02:18
ten yards that he wasn't getting earlier you've got to honor the edge
1:02:22
in case Trey's gonna pull it. And that gets you an extra three or four yards a run.
1:02:26
My opinion anyway,
1:02:27
the riders had had, I believe that they were second against the run going into this
1:02:33
game this year. And I don't know.
1:02:34
Yeah, they
1:02:35
They just fell apart in the fourth quarter.
1:02:37
You know, last year especially,
1:02:39
they were known for getting the turnover in the fourth quarter.
1:02:43
They were known for s shutting down offenses in the fourth quarter,
1:02:47
but wow. I mean wow they were just nowhere in this game in the fourth.
1:02:50
Wasn't there. But keep in mind though,
1:02:51
You know, I was I was shocked
1:02:54
Hamilton scored 26 points. Ninety-five percent of the games this year,
1:02:58
26 points is going to lose you a game.
1:03:00
So yeah, so full credit
1:03:01
Right. Right. Right.
1:03:03
to that Hamilton defense for what they did to allow the offense to score enough
1:03:10
to win. Like you said, they had turnovers,
1:03:11
Yeah. Yeah.
1:03:13
they had two and outs, and two and outs and two and outs.
1:03:14
Yep.
1:03:15
That
1:03:16
is a very good defense that the Tiger Cats have.
1:03:20
Yep. And it may just actually,
1:03:21
get them that second place spot in the east.
1:03:23
I it's possible
1:03:24
But
1:03:24
depending on what they do with their quarterbacks.
1:03:27
But the other other thing though is that the riders have been much better this year
1:03:32
in the penalty department. And this game they took eight of them for
1:03:35
a hundred and seven yards. most of their games they've been under
1:03:37
And that was another thing too.
1:03:38
fifty yards of penalties and
1:03:40
Yeah, that was another thing too.
1:03:42
Not so much last year, but actually I should say in the first half of last year
1:03:46
as well. But this has been one thing that's been characterizing the riders
1:03:51
in these past few years is just these dumb penalties.
1:03:55
And they had a couple in the fourth.
1:03:55
Yep. Mm hmm. Yep.
1:03:56
They had a couple in the fourth quarter this game.
1:03:59
You
1:04:00
know, I thought we were done with that.
1:04:01
I thought the riders were done with that,
1:04:03
but nope, nope, nope. The dumb emotional penalties.
1:04:07
You
1:04:07
Yeah.
1:04:08
know, really just hurt them.
1:04:10
Yeah.
1:04:10
You
1:04:10
know, in the in the fourth quarter.
1:04:12
In the second half in general,
1:04:13
but in the fourth quarter. Just took out of this
1:04:14
Yeah. I agree it's
1:04:16
game. they can bounce back though.
1:04:18
They can bounce back.
1:04:18
they will.
1:04:19
Aren't they on aren't they on bye this week?
1:04:21
No. No. No. Yeah.
1:04:21
No, they have B C which should which should prove
1:04:23
interesting. 'Cause another week between Harris and the receivers,
1:04:26
will that make a difference? The one thing Mace has done a good job of
1:04:30
is that you can see over his three years there is when they make mistakes they learn
1:04:35
from them, but they don't haunt them.
1:04:38
they're very good at okay, we fix this and then we flush it.
1:04:41
So spoiler alert for later in the show,
1:04:45
I'm gonna pick them against B C of course,
1:04:46
but
1:04:47
Ha ha ha.
1:04:47
But I don't
1:04:48
but I don't know for sure. I don't know for sure.
1:04:50
It it'll a lot will depend on if the offense is e able to to spark it all.
1:04:55
The other thing is frankly they were down
1:04:56
Yeah.
1:04:57
to the third string running back.
1:04:58
they
1:04:59
had a r a rookie who's straight out of college in there.
1:05:01
Even Connolly is not A. J. Olet,
1:05:03
but he's made some nice things I imagine you caught that spin hurdle that
1:05:07
he did a couple of weeks ago. Yeah,
1:05:09
so you know, you like having that in there,
1:05:11
but they didn't even have him,
1:05:12
so who knows?
1:05:15
Anything else to talk about there or
1:05:17
I think
1:05:18
Okay.
1:05:19
So a couple other things here to get to it.
1:05:20
Normally GT does our power rankings.
1:05:23
And
1:05:23
Yeah. I was wondering what you were gonna do about that.
1:05:26
Well, I'm trying to talk MG into it,
1:05:28
but only because only because
1:05:29
okay. Okay.
1:05:31
I do strange things. But we'll see what happens.
1:05:33
This week I'm gonna do them. And
1:05:35
Okay.
1:05:36
this week I'm gonna I'm expecting comments when I post them on some
1:05:40
of the social medias, because everybody's gonna think I'm an idiot.
1:05:43
But let's start them out.
1:05:45
Montreal, well Montreal has certainly looked like the best team through most
1:05:49
of the season and and even if Edmonton had played even better than they did,
1:05:53
you don't lose your spot on a bye.
1:05:55
I figure that's a rule. So Montreal holds number one.
1:05:58
Edmonton had a great game against Toronto.
1:06:02
They stay in at number two. The Riders,
1:06:04
the way that their offense is,
1:06:06
if they can't fix that, it's so troublesome.
1:06:08
And I was looking to maybe even drop them out of the number three spot,
1:06:12
But I can't, 'cause there's just nobody else I can see that that
1:06:14
Wow. Okay.
1:06:16
even as even as injured and vulnerable as the riders are,
1:06:20
I don't see anybody else above them right now,
1:06:22
not on a consistent basis.
1:06:25
Well, okay. I was thinking about this just in case you called on me to do this.
1:06:30
Okay.
1:06:30
~
1:06:31
this is a power poll. This is about trends,
1:06:34
and I would put Winnipeg number three.
1:06:37
Right now,
1:06:38
Okay.
1:06:39
after last week, I would put Winnipeg number three.
1:06:41
okay, Saskatchewan takes care of business against BC this week.
1:06:45
Put back up at three. But right now,
1:06:47
after that win this week, I know it was Ottawa,
1:06:50
but
1:06:52
Sis Winnipeg looked good. They looked like they're back in form.
1:06:56
So right now and they're only one game back of Saskatchewan now.
1:06:59
They're only one game back.
1:06:59
Yeah. They are.
1:07:01
And so, you know, I right now this week I would have Winnipeg at three.
1:07:05
Saskatchewan at four. Just by default.
1:07:05
Yes. I I
1:07:08
I can respect that. as you'll see w we have different thoughts
1:07:12
on that because Saskatchewan's weaker,
1:07:14
but I haven't seen anybody else pick up enough.
1:07:16
My number four is BC. And and I'm doing
1:07:19
Wow.
1:07:20
this like you say, it's a power it's right now,
1:07:21
what have I seen and what are their chances of winning the next game kind
1:07:25
of thing to me? So how much do I fear them going into the next week?
1:07:30
I'm gonna put Hamilton at five.
1:07:31
But that would change considerably if they go back to Harrison Frost.
1:07:36
I would drop them down to the bottom if they do.
1:07:38
If they stick with Trey and I've been saying this all along.
1:07:41
I think Trey needs a chance to have an offense tailored to him.
1:07:45
I think he's showing that he can do it and he needs to have some faith
1:07:48
put in him instead. Needs to be told,
1:07:50
you know, you're gonna get two or three games and no matter what.
1:07:54
I don't have any trust they're doing that,
1:07:55
but because they ended up with Trey,
1:07:57
they get the number five spot.
1:07:59
~ Calgary, again, hard to to decide what they're gonna be.
1:08:04
They don't look dangerous, but we'll still give them number six.
1:08:09
I've got at number seven, I've got the red blacks.
1:08:13
Only because a team with nothing to lose is dangerous.
1:08:15
Wow. Okay. Okay.
1:08:17
A team that can do
1:08:18
Yep.
1:08:19
whatever they want and it's not gonna matter to their season,
1:08:21
who if I'm playing them next week
1:08:24
How good do I feel? Well, it's Montreal,
1:08:26
so I don't think they're gonna worry,
1:08:27
but any other
1:08:28
Yeah.
1:08:28
team, you know, I'd be a bit worried about.
1:08:30
So Ottawa at seven. I've got Winnipeg at eight.
1:08:34
And frankly, in the next two or three weeks,
1:08:37
that will move up a lot if Condell continues to use Brady.
1:08:41
But what I've seen is in any games,
1:08:43
anytime they're tight, he goes back.
1:08:45
remember, he started the season saying this offense is gonna run through Tim White.
1:08:50
And we saw how that works.
1:08:51
If he goes back to that attitude,
1:08:53
they deserve to be at eight. If he keeps using Brady consistently,
1:08:56
they could easily move up, and I would agree with you,
1:08:59
but it's the faith in that that I don't have.
1:09:01
And I've got Toronto at number nine just because they are so
1:09:04
Wow.
1:09:05
Jekyll and hide almost. You know,
1:09:06
they can either put up forty, fifty points and outshoot you,
1:09:11
or they can put up twelve, fifteen points and give up forty.
1:09:16
So
1:09:16
That's gonna create lots of controversy.
1:09:19
Yeah, yeah,
1:09:20
yeah. Wow. That's pretty wild.
1:09:22
let's let's get MJ in here. Doing doing these things.
1:09:24
Yeah. Yeah.
1:09:26
I think she'd like your placement of Hamilton,
1:09:28
but ~ yeah,
1:09:29
said you're ready to go, so why don't you give us what yours were?
1:09:32
Yeah,
1:09:33
I might say that you're trolling a bit here,
1:09:35
George. ~
1:09:36
Maybe a little bit. There might be that much in it.
1:09:39
Okay, like I said, Montreal won Edmonton two.
1:09:42
I think that's beyond question.
1:09:43
right now I have Winnipeg three,
1:09:45
Saskatchewan four. just because again,
1:09:47
Winnipeg's coming off a win. Saskatchewan is not.
1:09:50
I can't put Winnipeg coming off a win below O and nine Ottawa for sure.
1:09:58
Sure. So I'm putting Winnipeg at three,
1:10:02
Saskatchewan at four. After that,
1:10:05
I'm tempted to say who cares? You
1:10:07
Yeah.
1:10:08
know, because wow. I mean, ~ you know,
1:10:11
people always say that they want parity in the CFL.
1:10:15
Well, you're getting it right now,
1:10:17
you know. Winnipeg five and four,
1:10:20
BC four and five.
1:10:23
Toronto four and five, Hamilton four and six,
1:10:26
Calgary four and six. Are any of these teams impressive?
1:10:29
Not really. Not really right now.
1:10:32
So I'm tempted to say who cares.
1:10:34
But in the spirit of things, I'll go Hamilton at five.
1:10:39
coming off a win, coming off an upset win.
1:10:42
Yeah.
1:10:43
I'll put them at five.
1:10:45
~ it's tempting to go Toronto at six,
1:10:48
but instead I think you have to give it to BC again,
1:10:51
coming off a win. So let's put BC at six.
1:10:55
now it gets tough. I'm de look,
1:10:57
I'm saying Ottawa nine, no matter what.
1:11:01
they still haven't won. I can't I can't I definitely can't put them at seven.
1:11:06
Over a winning team, over five and four Winnipeg.
1:11:09
I can't do it. they're coming off a loss.
1:11:12
So on a power pull, nope, no way.
1:11:15
I don't know. I am so uncomprehending of what is happening
1:11:20
in Calgary that I guess I'll put them at eight and Toronto at seven.
1:11:27
Because I feel like it's wild to say,
1:11:30
but I feel like Toronto is winning games.
1:11:34
Not last week, obviously, but when they win games,
1:11:37
it's despite it's despite Chad
1:11:39
Yeah.
1:11:39
Kelly and this offense giving up turnovers.
1:11:42
you know, I I ~ if Toronto just imagine where Toronto would be if they weren't such
1:11:49
a turnover machine
1:11:51
Yeah.
1:11:52
they'd have at least a couple of more wins that you can point to.
1:11:56
just right off the top of your head.
1:11:58
they would have won more games.
1:12:00
And they beat your riders this season.
1:12:02
Now that was earlier on, but so yeah,
1:12:05
I I guess I'll have to go Toronto at seven,
1:12:10
Calgary at eight, Ottawa at nine.
1:12:11
Seven. In Calgary Day on one. Yeah.
1:12:13
But yeah, I just
1:12:13
Well that's where the
1:12:14
I can't believe how you're shafting Winnipeg.
1:12:18
people will say may say that's because I'm a Saskatchewan fan,
1:12:21
but they'd be wrong.
1:12:21
Yeah, you're trolling. You're trolling.
1:12:23
anyone that knows my history knows Winnipeg's my second favorite team.
1:12:26
I'm from Manitoba originally. So they're my number two team.
1:12:30
I don't generally go after them.
1:12:31
I d I don't know about trolling,
1:12:33
but I this is why they don't let me do this the power rankings because I
1:12:37
do like to be controversial.
1:12:39
I mean, yeah, they're come
1:12:39
Anyway.
1:12:40
they're coming off a win against the team that you have ranked higher than them.
1:12:42
Yeah.
1:12:47
you're living up to the old man yelling at Cloud's moniker.
1:12:50
Come on now. ~
1:12:50
That's what I'm here for.
1:12:53
All right, all right. Very interesting.
1:12:54
Okay. All right.
1:12:55
Very interesting. I like that exercise.
1:12:58
Now we're gonna we're gonna pick our winners for this week.
1:13:01
I hope you'll jump in 'cause MJ's already given me hers and with your
1:13:05
~ okay.
1:13:05
with yours that'll give us there's three people so the the podcast picks
1:13:10
who w goes with whatever the majority is.
1:13:11
But before we get to that I also just to give people sort of as much information
1:13:16
as I can for their
1:13:18
fantasy and
1:13:19
pick'em I do a quick run through anybody notable on the injury ports So with Ottawa,
1:13:24
we had Fry who's one of their D Bs,
1:13:26
Lang from the D line who didn't play last week,
1:13:29
and Pearl from the O line who didn't play last week were all did not
1:13:32
or not even just did not participate.
1:13:34
They've been marked as out, and so is Giovanni Robinson who had the sniper take
1:13:38
him down last week. So something there.
1:13:40
and they also had in their defense Dante Ruffin and Niles Morgan as questionable.
1:13:46
So that if they're playing without those people,
1:13:49
it's I mean, they're already against Montreal,
1:13:51
so you might as well start saying that they all have to wear thirty pound shoes too,
1:13:55
because how much
1:13:57
Yeah.
1:13:58
can you stack against them? ~ Montreal
1:14:00
Yeah.
1:14:02
really nobody of note. Scott the Third is out but
1:14:06
Look at how Ter Tice I can never pronounce the name,
1:14:08
look what he's doing. Scott not being in won't hurt them,
1:14:11
and the one of the fullbacks, Dallaire,
1:14:13
is out. Winnipeg, we just have did not participate.
1:14:17
Oliveira, Dembski and Eli from the O line were all did not participate.
1:14:22
I expect they'll all play that sort of a standard O'Shea thing.
1:14:25
Yeah.
1:14:26
Give them a day early on
1:14:27
that. Edmonton only had Logan Junior.
1:14:30
on the did not participate and I think he's longer term,
1:14:33
so I don't expect he'll be back in.
1:14:34
Hamilton, Ternowski at the receiver,
1:14:36
did not participate. But the other thing that was interesting is they've
1:14:40
got Bo listed back on the injury report.
1:14:42
He was listed as did not participate,
1:14:45
but he's listed. So I'm assuming that's he's off the sixth
1:14:48
Wow.
1:14:49
game. Are they going to put him back on it again or what's going to happen
1:14:52
Wow.
1:14:52
there? I don't know. Could make a difference if he comes
1:14:56
If they can hold themselves if they can win against Toronto in one of these
1:15:00
two ~ games that are coming up and win one or two more and then they
1:15:04
get bow back for the last maybe three games of the season,
1:15:07
could make a huge difference. But anyway,
1:15:09
that's speculating. Toronto, Hunter from the O line,
1:15:13
Kongbow from the D line, and receiver Polk were all did not participate.
1:15:17
And then Amos Bolden and Mitel were all limited.
1:15:22
And of course Saskatchewan and BC because they played the Sunday this week there
1:15:25
were no no ~ no reports from them.
1:15:30
So that takes us to these games.
1:15:33
I think the first one we don't probably have to spend a lot of time on.
1:15:38
Yeah.
1:15:39
Ottawa at Montreal. I'll let you pick first.
1:15:42
Yeah.
1:15:43
Well, this is football, so I often like to talk about the point spread as well.
1:15:47
Point spread opened at twelve and a half.
1:15:49
Montreal twelve and a half point favorite.
1:15:50
Yeah.
1:15:52
Now, after hearing about the injury report,
1:15:54
after seeing what Ottawa did this week,
1:15:57
yeah, your only question is can Montreal win by three touchdowns?
1:16:01
Never mind, two touchdowns. so I have to take Montreal for the win.
1:16:04
You know, for the past couple of weeks.
1:16:07
I've been trying to take Ottawa in an upset,
1:16:11
but it's just I just can't see it this week.
1:16:15
I just can't. So Pick'em, Montreal,
1:16:19
minus the points, probably Montreal.
1:16:22
I'm not even gonna give Ottawa the benefit of the doubt.
1:16:24
So yeah, Montreal.
1:16:24
Yeah, I actually
1:16:26
picked Ottawa last week. I thought they might pull it off against Winnipeg,
1:16:29
but I was wrong. Yeah, and I'm and I'm
1:16:29
Yeah, so did my co host. Yeah,
1:16:31
but nope.
1:16:32
not about to ~ to do that again.
1:16:34
So Montreal definitely. And
1:16:35
Yeah. Yeah.
1:16:37
and MJ, like I said, centers in her comment Alexander at home is unstoppable,
1:16:42
Montreal.
1:16:43
Yeah, yeah.
1:16:44
Okay. So then we have the ~ the next one here,
1:16:48
which is whoops, I'm switching back and forth here.
1:16:50
yeah, Winnipeg going into Edmonton.
1:16:53
Yep. Okay.
1:16:54
And
1:16:55
I not surprisingly, I'm going with Edmonton.
1:16:57
How about you?
1:16:58
Yeah, I'm gonna take Edmonton.
1:17:00
Edmonton is minus five and a half.
1:17:03
just given the smarts of Winnipeg,
1:17:06
I wouldn't be surprised if they close this gap.
1:17:10
I wouldn't be surprised if they lost by less than a touchdown.
1:17:14
But again, like I said previously,
1:17:17
I think Edmonton has bottomed out as much as they're gonna bottom out this season.
1:17:22
Winnipeg is a five and four team.
1:17:25
~ a lot of times you just have to look at the standings and say to yourself,
1:17:29
hmm, is it believable that this Winnipeg team is five and five?
1:17:33
And the answer to that is absolutely.
1:17:36
Yes, I believe it. They kind of look like a five hundred team.
1:17:41
So yeah, all things being equal,
1:17:43
I'm gonna take Edmonton. ~ again,
1:17:46
Edmonton has really only lost two of the best teams in the league this year,
1:17:50
and Winnipeg is not.
1:17:52
one of the best teams in the league,
1:17:53
Not one of those, yes. Yes. Yeah.
1:17:53
despite my number three power rankings ~ point.
1:17:57
But
1:17:58
Edmonton's playing at home. Nah.
1:17:59
All things being equal, Edmonton wins this game.
1:18:00
Yeah. Yeah. yes,
1:18:02
does MJ have Edmonton in this game?
1:18:04
Yep.
1:18:04
her comment was Cody's
1:18:05
playing lean and mean. She's taken Edmonton.
1:18:08
And she has a unique perspective 'cause she's a Hamilton fan who lives in Edmonton.
1:18:12
So all her football
1:18:13
Yeah.
1:18:13
she watches live is Edmonton football,
1:18:15
but Okay. Tiger Cats and Argos.
1:18:19
I'll let you pick first on this one again.
1:18:22
Yeah, okay. All right. So you kinda sold me on Hamilton defense.
1:18:27
I don't know if McMainus has a revenge kick against Toronto.
1:18:31
I don't know if he's gonna want to get back at his old team.
1:18:34
But you kinda sold me on Hamilton defense.
1:18:37
Hamilton defense is playing very well.
1:18:39
they're starting to look like one of the premier units in the CFL.
1:18:44
And
1:18:45
Toronto just turns over the ball too much.
1:18:49
And if Polk, who at one point was the leader in receiving touchdowns,
1:18:54
is not playing in this game or is not playing at a hundred percent,
1:18:55
Yeah. He's n did not participate,
1:18:57
I mean, yeah.
1:18:58
so yeah, he's one way or
1:18:59
another he's not fully healthy.
1:19:01
Right.
1:19:02
So I mean, what is Toronto gonna do except turn over the ball against
1:19:06
a very hungry Hamilton defense?
1:19:08
Now, the question for me is who the hell do you start at quarterback
1:19:13
in Hamilton and how will they perform?
1:19:16
I mean, if Trey Ford is the starter,
1:19:18
I'm not gonna expect much out of him.
1:19:20
But I am gonna expect Toronto to turn it over a lot.
1:19:24
So if Hamilton can keep a cool head,
1:19:26
you know, on offense, they'll win this game.
1:19:30
So so yeah, I'll take Toronto's four and a half point favorites,
1:19:33
but I'll take Hamilton in the upset.
1:19:36
Okay, this is one I struggle with a lot I think it's
1:19:39
Yeah.
1:19:39
it comes down to the quarterback and again some people say that I'm
1:19:42
you know that I'm too hyped on Trey.
1:19:44
It's not that. I see all the the flaws in his game.
1:19:49
I see the potential that I think could be there if he ever got the full chance.
1:19:52
But to me, the difference is at this point you're not going to
1:19:58
win this game as as much as Toronto's gonna turn the ball over.
1:20:02
You're not gonna win this game playing standard football with the ability
1:20:08
at the ability level of any quarterback you have on that roster.
1:20:11
There's just nobody who can go in there right now and consistently make
1:20:15
the reads and make the passes.
1:20:17
So if you put Trey in, at least you've got the chance for the off schedule plays,
1:20:21
which do not exist with Frost and Dalagala.
1:20:24
They're just gonna stand in the pocket and do what they can.
1:20:28
So I think I've got to pick. I'm gonna pick the Argos.
1:20:32
And hope they start Trey. I think
1:20:33
Wow.
1:20:33
or no, sorry, I'm gonna pick I did that backwards,
1:20:35
sorry. My bad. I'm gonna pick the the Ty Cats and hope they start Ford.
1:20:38
Okay. Okay.
1:20:39
If they
1:20:40
don't, I think Argos may win this.
1:20:43
But on the other hand, like we I was hyping this Hamilton defense,
1:20:47
don't forget earlier this year without Bo in there they played and Toronto missed
1:20:52
a last minute fully makeable field goal that cost them the game.
1:20:55
But that field goal would have given them what,
1:20:57
fourteen or seventeen points, I think?
1:21:00
So it wasn't like they ran up a lot of points against Hamilton.
1:21:04
so so there's that. Yeah,
1:21:05
Nope. Nope. But they were turning the ball over in that game too,
1:21:08
if I recall correctly. So you know,
1:21:08
exactly, yeah. And
1:21:11
again, like Toronto just can't stop turning it over.
1:21:14
And Toronto secondary is not that good.
1:21:16
They've not been playing well lately.
1:21:16
No.
1:21:18
So
1:21:20
You see it in Toronto, you see it in BC.
1:21:24
High price quarterbacks and secondaries that they can't afford a real high level
1:21:30
of talent in. That's my opinion.
1:21:31
Yep. Yep. Even Calgary. Even Calgary,
1:21:31
Anyway, but yeah. Calgary to a
1:21:34
you could say.
1:21:35
degree, yes. Yeah, but those two are the ones like I think I'm not sure.
1:21:38
I mean Zach is Zach's a bit of an anomaly because he makes a good money too,
1:21:42
but Tr Winnipeg has kept people there with
1:21:45
However they do it on lower salaries.
1:21:47
So it's starting
1:21:48
Yeah.
1:21:48
it's starting to cost them now,
1:21:50
But anyway, that's I'm digressing.
1:21:51
MJ, surprise, surprise. Says Argo suck,
1:21:54
Tie Cats win.
1:21:56
Now that's analysis.
1:22:01
Nice. Nice.
1:22:02
and the last
1:22:03
one is the Lions and the Riders,
1:22:04
and I gave my spoiler alert. I don't know the Riders are gonna win this game,
1:22:09
but I don't know that they can't,
1:22:11
so I will pick them. How about you?
1:22:14
Okay. Okay. Weird things at the sports book here.
1:22:19
I know that you all don't emphasize the gambling too much,
1:22:22
and in fact, you're tired of the advertising for
1:22:25
Yeah, sure.
1:22:25
the gambling. But I think that this one is important to look at.
1:22:29
Look, BC opened at one and a half point underdogs,
1:22:34
and at most sportsbooks, they've flipped to a one and a half point favorite.
1:22:40
Now, I don't know what the sharps are seeing here.
1:22:43
I don't know why there's a three-point flip in BC's favor,
1:22:49
but I don't see it. do I believe that Saskatchewan is gonna lose
1:22:55
two games in a row to teams with losing records?
1:22:59
I mean, as you well know, the riders in recent seasons,
1:23:03
last year accepted, have fallen off a bit in the second half.
1:23:08
of the season, but I don't know.
1:23:12
you know, the sharps are telling us something,
1:23:14
but
1:23:16
I'm gonna go with Saskatchewan.
1:23:17
BC has got to prove and Nathan Rurick have got to prove that they can be consistent.
1:23:23
You know, that they can put together a full game.
1:23:26
Now, yeah, Saskatchewan is hurting on the offense.
1:23:29
they're hurting in the run game,
1:23:31
they're hurting at wide receiver,
1:23:33
not much depth there. but I don't know.
1:23:35
BC offense with the number of two and outs they had against Calgary,
1:23:40
which is not exactly a potent.
1:23:42
Defense. Last week, I think that this game.
1:23:48
What's the overunder? The over-under on this is 61 and a half.
1:23:52
Your best bet of the week is to take the under in this game.
1:23:56
There's no way this is going to be a 30 31-30 game.
1:24:00
Sorry. I'm not buying that at all.
1:24:02
I think it's going to be a low-scoring game.
1:24:04
And I think that Saskatchewan this week will shut them down in the fourth quarter.
1:24:09
So I'm going to take the Riders.
1:24:11
I'm gonna take the riders in what is now the upset.
1:24:14
Okay, yes. And MJ said winning is now the vibe,
1:24:18
she's going with the Lions. So she disagrees with us.
1:24:20
Okay.
1:24:20
Yeah, I
1:24:21
I don't really follow the the betting lines.
1:24:23
I don't do any of the betting in and that but but I have a feeling what probably
1:24:27
happened is there were probably an awful lot of people that
1:24:30
saw that Saskatchewan loss and
1:24:33
possibly overinterpreted it a bit and then suddenly saw that they were still
1:24:37
a points favorite against BC and thought,
1:24:39
I'm gonna rush in. So I think there was probably a lot of money that jumped
1:24:43
in on BC right away and ~ on the spread there and that's maybe what swung it around.
1:24:47
Yeah, this may yet this may yet flip again because
1:24:48
Yeah.
1:24:51
what tends to happen is the rider fans make a lot of ~ bets on their team.
1:24:55
Yeah.
1:24:57
~
1:24:58
you know, now now look, ~ I'll just say this because I say this
1:25:01
on every podcast when I'm on for the first time,
1:25:03
is look, I'm not saying gamble.
1:25:06
Okay, I am not sponsoring
1:25:07
Yeah.
1:25:08
gambling. I know that it it's difficult for some people,
1:25:12
some people have a problem, etc.
1:25:14
But here's the thing: I think it's important to talk about the lines because,
1:25:19
you know, ~ take your pick. Nathan Rourke goes out there,
1:25:23
he has a bad game, they lose, he's gonna get paid the same amount.
1:25:28
Yeah.
1:25:28
Okay. The sports books, if they lose,
1:25:31
they lose money. Okay,
1:25:33
Yes.
1:25:34
so.
1:25:35
These guys have a lot more in some respects,
1:25:37
they have a lot more on the line to get these predictions correct.
1:25:41
So I do think it's important to take the opinion of Vegas or the sports books,
1:25:48
however you want to refer to it.
1:25:49
So only in that respect do I mention these things.
1:25:53
Plus, when I was a kid, it was fashionable to actually report the lines
1:25:58
Yeah. Yeah.
1:25:58
on the networks when you were playing these games.
1:26:01
It does give a good measure as to what the experts think the game will look like.
1:26:07
~
1:26:07
Yes.
1:26:08
and again, the experts seem to think that this game is gonna have a
1:26:12
lot of points and I'm not buying that one.
1:26:14
I'm gonna second guess the pros on that one.
1:26:17
Because I even if this is a blowout either way,
1:26:20
I can't see sixty two points in this game.
1:26:23
Sorry. I know it's been
1:26:23
Yes.
1:26:24
a high scoring season this year,
1:26:25
but not this one.
1:26:27
it's
1:26:27
Not the way B C offense has been playing and not the way Saskatchewan offense looks
1:26:27
seem Yeah. Yeah.
1:26:31
right now. So
1:26:31
Exactly.
1:26:33
And and
1:26:34
And the Saskatchewan defense is still they've got some injuries,
1:26:37
but they've re they've filled in their depth has helped them a lot.
1:26:40
So yeah. I still I'm not impressed with the BC defense.
1:26:43
But I on
1:26:44
No.
1:26:44
the whole gambling thing, I'd not that I'm morally opposed to gambling.
1:26:47
People can do whatever they want.
1:26:47
Yep. Yep.
1:26:48
I don't because it's burning my money.
1:26:50
I know I'm
1:26:51
wrong as much as I'm right when it comes to as much as I like to think
1:26:54
I'm a football bit of a football guy,
1:26:56
I will get this wrong a whole lot.
1:26:57
But I do agree with you about the
1:26:59
The sports books do not want to lose money.
1:27:02
So
1:27:02
Yep.
1:27:03
if I'm gonna put any credence on what they say,
1:27:06
I put it on pretty much on where the line drops at the start of the week.
1:27:10
Unless there's a major injury report or something like that.
1:27:15
once the the betters start getting involved and it balances one way or the other,
1:27:19
who knows what it'll mean. but if they're coming out,
1:27:21
like I think you said, ~
1:27:23
Edmonton
1:27:24
was a big point spread over Winnipeg?
1:27:27
Yeah, a half. Five and a half.
1:27:28
~
1:27:28
Yeah. See so if it comes
1:27:30
out like that, that tells me that yeah,
1:27:32
the people who are for whom gambling is a business,
1:27:35
not entertainment, are saying Edmonton's pretty safe bet.
1:27:40
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
1:27:42
Exactly. And again, the the thing about the Montreal game is just like it's just
1:27:47
a I mean, I you you're gonna go to Pick'em this week and that oughta
1:27:52
be ninety eight to two at least,
1:27:55
you know, Montreal
1:27:55
Yeah.
1:27:57
picking it's just a question of how much,
1:27:59
right, at that point. Like
1:28:00
Yeah. Yeah.
1:28:02
and you know, maybe Ottawa could keep this close.
1:28:05
Maybe, you know
1:28:06
Montreal guys will party a bit too much.
1:28:08
They're playing at home. ~ and by the way,
1:28:11
just one other thing to point out.
1:28:12
keep in mind that Toronto is still undefeated at home.
1:28:17
Yes. Yes.
1:28:18
So this could be their first loss at home this season if they lose,
1:28:21
Yes. Yeah. Well I can't I d
1:28:22
which I do have them doing.
1:28:24
even technically I think 'cause I can't remember no,
1:28:27
they I think they lost their home game in Winnipeg.
1:28:29
But they won their home game in Regina.
1:28:31
So even if you're counting the all the home games,
1:28:32
Yep. Yep. yes.
1:28:34
I think they're still two and two or something.
1:28:35
Yeah.
1:28:37
The neutral field home games, right?
1:28:40
Yes. Yeah.
1:28:40
If you want to call it that. Nah,
1:28:42
~ Yes it is.
1:28:42
nah. They're one and in Toronto.
1:28:45
that's on the line this week. Same with Montreal.
1:28:47
Well, it should be fun and
1:28:48
The two undefeated home teams.
1:28:50
~ I'm just happy Davis Alexander's back for my fantasy team 'cause I didn't pick
1:28:54
Yeah? Good.
1:28:55
him two weeks
1:28:55
ago I should have. I my two last two quarterbacks have been VA and Trevor It's
1:29:00
not going well.
1:29:01
no. ~
1:29:04
Anyway, that's about it. I really want to thank you for coming on here,
1:29:08
Oz. You saved our bacon. You made the
1:29:08
Sure. ~ that's great.
1:29:10
this has been a fun show. I really enjoyed talking with you and and what
1:29:14
you brought to it. It's a again,
1:29:15
a different point of view that we wouldn't always have.
1:29:17
Any ~ well anything where folks find you on social media and you were saying you're
1:29:24
doing Shots From the Hip now? Is that YouTube,
1:29:27
Podcatchers? Where do people find you now?
1:29:29
Yeah. Social media has been a real turn off for me.
1:29:34
you know, my my president ruined.
1:29:38
Yes.
1:29:39
in life. And so I've been really turned off to social media.
1:29:44
I I've had enough of that. So yeah,
1:29:46
basically ~ if you'd like to hear some more stuff about the CFL,
1:29:52
might be some gambling information there too as well.
1:29:56
Shots From the Hip is the name of the podcast.
1:29:59
That's a production of the Shotgun Sports Network.
1:30:01
Lots of great CFL and NHL centric podcast there at that network.
1:30:07
Shots From the Hip is also on YouTube.
1:30:09
we've been doing movie reviews as well,
1:30:13
sports movie reviews as part of that show.
1:30:15
That is a separate feed. So if you are happy,
1:30:19
and I don't blame you, if you are happy with this show for your CFL content,
1:30:24
~ I still encourage you to check out the sports movie reviews.
1:30:27
That's a lot of fun. we've been having a lot of fun with those.
1:30:31
this week there won't be one because I was appearing on this show.
1:30:34
And my co-host Jason Bisick was also co-hosting on a another show this week.
1:30:40
So we don't have a proper CFL show this week,
1:30:43
but we will be doing the movie reviews and the CFL previews again next week.
1:30:49
so you can check me out there,
1:30:51
but otherwise, nah. I mean, talk about not betting.
1:30:55
How about not not?
1:30:56
Not
1:30:56
engaging. Engaging,
1:30:57
Social not social media ing.
1:31:00
yes.
1:31:01
That might be healthy for you too.
1:31:03
I also wanted to say that probably as an American I would say not so much that
1:31:07
I saved your bacon, but I saved your Canadian bacon.
1:31:12
Nice. Very nice.
1:31:14
Right.
1:31:15
I like it. So before I do my sign off,
1:31:17
these movies you review are are they new movies or the older ones too?
1:31:22
Nah,
1:31:23
we're I mean, we're mostly doing classic.
1:31:25
I mean, there's just not that many sports movies coming out these days,
1:31:29
right? But and I don't want to say classic.
1:31:30
Have you have you done yeah.
1:31:32
I mean,
1:31:32
we're across the board. Yeah, we did we did Horse Feathers,
1:31:36
the ~ Marx Brothers
1:31:37
Yeah.
1:31:38
movie about v ~ football, which is,
1:31:41
Yeah.
1:31:42
you know, almost a hundred years old at this
1:31:44
point. But, you know, for example,
1:31:46
the next one we'll be looking at is Raging Bull.
1:31:49
the nineteen eighty Martin Scorsese film starring Robert De Niro.
1:31:52
but you know, we're just across the board.
1:31:54
I think last week we did He Got Game,
1:31:56
the the Spikely basketball movie starring Denzel Washington and Ray Allen from
1:32:01
Uh-huh.
1:32:02
the nineteen nineties. We do classics,
1:32:04
we do obscure ones, you know. ~ we did ~ after the Oscars last year
1:32:10
we did Marty Supreme.
1:32:13
Which was the the ping pong movie
1:32:15
Yeah.
1:32:16
which was the starring Timothy Chalamet,
1:32:18
which was nominated for the Oscar.
1:32:19
So, you know, it's it's a grab bag,
1:32:22
but it's it's fun. ~ in a previous life I was a film critic for a newspaper.
1:32:27
So I
1:32:28
Okay.
1:32:28
I like to go back to the film reviews.
1:32:30
I'm such a movie junkie. so it's worth worth a look.
1:32:30
Sure. Yeah, pull out the old skills.
1:32:33
So I have to ask, have you
1:32:34
Yeah, if you're into movies.
1:32:36
done Remember the Titans yet?
1:32:38
we have not. We have not done that.
1:32:40
I'll have to watch for when that one comes up.
1:32:42
sure we'll we'll look at that one.
1:32:44
My my all
1:32:44
I'm sure it's
1:32:45
time favorite one probably. But
1:32:47
Hmm. Hmm.
1:32:50
anyway, thank thank I c like I say,
1:32:52
I can't thank you enough. when the injury bug had bit us,
1:32:55
getting some veteran talent that could come in for a week and and carry
1:32:59
us through to what I feel like was a win was extremely good.
1:33:02
Yeah.
1:33:02
So
1:33:03
please check out everything that that Oz is doing with Shots From the Hip And sorry,
1:33:07
what was the movie one called?
1:33:10
it's just part of the shots from the hip feed on YouTube.
1:33:11
it's all under shots from Hip.
1:33:13
Okay. So so check
1:33:13
On YouTube.
1:33:14
him all out there. Myself I curate most of the ~ social media
1:33:20
at the CFL Outsiders, so you can find me on just about anything there other than
1:33:25
Facebook and threads. And if you go to Instagram you get MJ.
1:33:29
Hopefully you've enjoyed this.
1:33:31
I've listened to Oz for years,
1:33:32
first time I've met him, so this has been a a lot of fun for me.
1:33:35
And we'll just finish off with our traditional.
1:33:38
For Oz Davis, this is old man saying,
1:33:41
until next week, get the hell off my lawn!