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NOLAN WELLS BOMBSHELL: FRIENDS' LAWYERS FIGHT BACK · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace tonight the investigation into the
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  Speaker 1: Nolan Wells death bombshell joining us tonight, Nolan's friends' lawyers
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  Speaker 1: fight back. Who's telling the truth? They think they know,
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  Speaker 1: but do they? I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. There's
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  Speaker 1: a big honkin mark subcutaneous deep reddening tissue on his occipital.
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  Speaker 1: If I had somebody in the back of the head,
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  Speaker 1: it'd be right there.
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  Speaker 2: There was no indication that there was any kind of
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  Speaker 2: contusions on the hand, the arm, no kind of defensive event.
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  Speaker 1: Back to Officer Tatum, star of the Officer Tatum on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: Have the friends taken polygraphs?
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  Speaker 3: Well, from my understanding all but I believe one took
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  Speaker 3: a polygraph, and from what was told to me that
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  Speaker 3: they all passed, and all of the ones that took
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  Speaker 3: a polygraph took one without a lawyer and so, and
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  Speaker 3: they cooperated with law enforcement. So from my understanding, everybody
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  Speaker 3: took a pograph.
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  Speaker 1: Understand did they tell you they took a poly and pasThe.
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  Speaker 3: They told yes, ma'am. They told me that they did it.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't there, So that's why I'm saying, from my understanding,
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  Speaker 3: they told me that all the boys except one, which
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  Speaker 3: is Warren, I believe took a polygraph test. All of
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  Speaker 3: them did not have lawyers and did it and cooperated
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  Speaker 3: with police. Warren also cooperated police. I just believe he
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  Speaker 3: didn't take a lot of tech the tests. But Warren
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  Speaker 3: is the young man that I interviewed. So according to
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  Speaker 3: what they told me, they all took a lot of
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  Speaker 3: tech tests and passed. And it's an equivalent of a
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  Speaker 3: lot of tech to tests. It's not a traditional a
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  Speaker 3: lot of tech tests, but it's the same theology of
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  Speaker 3: trying to get to if a person is lying. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know the name of it. It's an equivalent of
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  Speaker 3: a lot of technico it's a different methodology. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: don't believe it was a polygraph test. I believe they
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  Speaker 3: took other stressors in order to analyze.
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  Speaker 1: The to did they take a polygraph would be no.
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  Speaker 1: That is Officer Tatum from the Officer Tatum on YouTube
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  Speaker 1: joining us tonight are two very special guests. They are
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  Speaker 1: convinced of the friends. And when I say quotees, I
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  Speaker 1: don't mean they are or they're not friends, because I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the young men on the Triton, the Triton
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  Speaker 1: boat that took Noan Wells to Horn Island. Many argue
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  Speaker 1: he was on the boat on the return when foul
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  Speaker 1: play occurred. Many argue he was not. In fact, the
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  Speaker 1: timeline has blown up because there are reports that Nolan
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  Speaker 1: Wells was seen on the island after the friend's boat left,
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  Speaker 1: which would exonerate them. Is that true? I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm trying to find out for me. Nobody's guilty
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  Speaker 1: and everybody's a suspect because we don't know the truth yet,
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  Speaker 1: but we will. Joining us tonight Tyler Cox, the lawyer
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  Speaker 1: for several of the young men with the law firm
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  Speaker 1: Tailor and Cox him being the Cox. Also with us
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  Speaker 1: another veteran trial lawyer, Edward Pulsik, attorney for the boys
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  Speaker 1: as well. Actually they're not boys, they're adults in the
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  Speaker 1: eyes of the law due to their age. Gentlemen, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us today night. My first question
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  Speaker 1: to clear up this matter, have your clients taken polygraphs?
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  Speaker 1: First of you, Tyler Cox.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy, My clients have not taken a polygraph test, and
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you why, because any lawyer worth their
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  Speaker 2: salt is going to tell their clients not to take
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  Speaker 2: a polygraph test under any circumstances. Two of my clients
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  Speaker 2: went in and made statements with me, we're not going
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  Speaker 2: to make a or not going to do a polygraph
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  Speaker 2: test because one, as you know, they're not admissible in court,
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  Speaker 2: and so it wasn't going to be admissible anyway. You
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  Speaker 2: should never, ever, if you're a lawyer, allow your clients
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  Speaker 2: to take a polygraph test. Now, we allowed investigators from
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  Speaker 2: the jump to have access to their phones, their life,
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  Speaker 2: three sixty everything. We have cooperated implicitly every step of
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  Speaker 2: the way. But no, they didn't take polygraph's tests. But
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  Speaker 2: what I tell you is one of the other boys,
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  Speaker 2: who I won't mention their name, but I'm sure that
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  Speaker 2: you've heard, took one. The girl that no one was
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  Speaker 2: with took a stress analysis voice tests, and so did
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  Speaker 2: the other boys. So that's the test they took both
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  Speaker 2: of them past. And so again, no lawyer worth the
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  Speaker 2: salt is going to tell his clients to take a
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  Speaker 2: polygraph test or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to corroborate part of what Tyler Cox
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  Speaker 1: just said. Any defense attorney, whether they're convinced truly convinced
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  Speaker 1: their client is innocent or guilty, they're not going to
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  Speaker 1: allow upon I've never seen that. I've had a couple
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  Speaker 1: of lawyers, maybe three in all the years I practiced.
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  Speaker 1: All the people I put behind bars consent before trial
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  Speaker 1: to a poly three and they were all criminal cases
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  Speaker 1: that carried severe penalties. So what he's saying is true.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you think your client is innocent, very rarely
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  Speaker 1: will you see a defense lawyer say, sure, take a polly. However,
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  Speaker 1: I disagree with you regarding their admittance into court. Polygraphs
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  Speaker 1: are allowed in civil trials O. J. Simpson, he flunked horribly,
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  Speaker 1: and if both sides stipulate to the polygraph's admittance before
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  Speaker 1: the polygraph is taken, it can come into a criminal trial.
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  Speaker 1: The reality is that never happens. That never happened.
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  Speaker 2: Right at the time that we first cooperated with police,
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  Speaker 2: the first very week, the days after, just one to
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  Speaker 2: two days after the disappearance of no One Wells, we're
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  Speaker 2: not thinking about a civil suit. We're not thinking about that.
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  Speaker 2: We're thinking about how can we provide as much information
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  Speaker 2: to authorities so that they can find Nolan Wells. And
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  Speaker 2: it was not until after we spoke to officers and
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  Speaker 2: investigators that Nolan, unfortunately, his body was found on Horn Island,
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  Speaker 2: washed up, and it's unfortunate, and I hate that for
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  Speaker 2: Nolan because by all accounts, he was an incredible person.
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  Speaker 2: He was just truly remarkable in almost every sense of
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  Speaker 2: the word. But I mean, we're not thinking about a
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  Speaker 2: civil suit at that point in time. We're trying to
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  Speaker 2: trying to help authorities find our friend who we can't
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  Speaker 2: find either.
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  Speaker 1: Edward Poltz joining us in addition to Tyler Cox, both
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  Speaker 1: of them veteran trial lawyers. He is with Taylor Dakima. Edward,
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  Speaker 1: how did you get involved in this case?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'd rather not talk about that. I can just
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  Speaker 4: tell you this. I can tell you that it was
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  Speaker 4: through a friend of a friend.
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  Speaker 1: You're kidding, right, You're kidding me because when you tell me,
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather not answer. Well, to find out how you
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  Speaker 1: got involved in the case.
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  Speaker 4: Well, hold on, I can tell you a little bit more.
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  Speaker 4: I can tell you this. I can tell you a
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  Speaker 4: close friend, a close friend who knows the Ocean Springs,
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  Speaker 4: Mississippi community very very well, is from the area, connected
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  Speaker 4: me to a friend of his, and then I found
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  Speaker 4: myself speaking to Tyler here, and Tyler and I instantly
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  Speaker 4: became very close friends. We both have blue pickup trucks,
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  Speaker 4: so now we're the Blues brothers. We just became very close.
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  Speaker 4: We hit it off. Then I had the opp oportunity
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  Speaker 4: to speak to Warren, speak to Morgan, speak to Jack's
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  Speaker 4: and we hit it off also. And I immediately realized
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  Speaker 4: these are incredibly fine young men. I realized right away,
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  Speaker 4: I want I want to help.
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  Speaker 1: Ye out to you, an Tyler, I'm not saying they
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  Speaker 1: have lied, and I'm not saying they haven't lied. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I have no reason to disbelieve your clients
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  Speaker 1: or to believe them, but you do know that people
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  Speaker 1: can look you right in the face and lie through
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  Speaker 1: your teeth and you believe them. I've done it. I've
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  Speaker 1: had witnesses that I found out relying to me and
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  Speaker 1: it was a huge blow. I've had police officers. I
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  Speaker 1: worked a case, a child trafficking case, my first trial
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  Speaker 1: trafficking case. Worked at worked at worked it. I finally
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  Speaker 1: found the little girl. I went into a room full
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  Speaker 1: of sex workers and when she's in there, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: there's no child in there. They went she's the one
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  Speaker 1: in the white boots. She lo as she is thirty
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  Speaker 1: eight years old. She's fourteen. That said, we won the case.
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  Speaker 1: But fast forward about ten months later, I was walking
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  Speaker 1: through the grand jury room and I saw these horrible
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  Speaker 1: federal court sketches. I'm like, oh, my stars, is that
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  Speaker 1: who I think it is? It was my vice cops.
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  Speaker 1: They had been stealing from dopers and they got and
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  Speaker 1: died by the fans, and I had been out on
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  Speaker 1: the street with them every day from mus trying to
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  Speaker 1: prove the child trafficking case. So just because somebody tells
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  Speaker 1: you this guy is blue does not mean this guy
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  Speaker 1: is blue.
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  Speaker 4: You do know that, right, Well, I can tell you this.
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  Speaker 4: They were off that they were off Horn Island at
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  Speaker 4: four thirty pm on July fourth, at Nolan Wells Final.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're getting somewhere. How can you prove that to
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  Speaker 1: me other than them telling you. I assume you've got
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  Speaker 1: GPS tracking and the call to see too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we have witness is among other things. But
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  Speaker 4: I can also tell you this. They were off the
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  Speaker 4: island at four thirty pm, and Nolan Wells was seen
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  Speaker 4: alive by multiple people at six pm, still on the island,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm sure Tyler would be happy to elaborate on that,
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  Speaker 4: but this is a no doubt, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Please tell me Tyler, because I don't believe any of
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  Speaker 1: these people, and I don't disbelieve any of these people.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear about witnesses that spotted him alive
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  Speaker 1: after four thirty, because I believe I can confirm the
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  Speaker 1: boat left around four thirty, and I'm referring to the Triton.
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  Speaker 1: The Triton, that's the boat they were on. There are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of boats. Let's see the video of all
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  Speaker 1: the boats out there. So when I say Triton, I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about the boat Nolan was on on the way
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  Speaker 1: to the island. There's a lot of boats out there
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  Speaker 1: are and a lot of witnesses too. This is from
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  Speaker 1: the officer Tatum. Okay, their witness is placing him there
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  Speaker 1: at six. And I want to be very clear, gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: that I'm not convinced he drowned just because somebody said so.
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  Speaker 1: Even if he did drown, that does not mean that
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't foul play. Why is that lock on the
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  Speaker 1: back of his head. Was he hit on the head
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  Speaker 1: and fell in the water. Was he held under the water.
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  Speaker 1: Was it an accident? I don't know, but I am
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  Speaker 1: very interested in witnesses that place him alive at six pm?
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  Speaker 1: Please tell me, Tyler Cox.
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  Speaker 2: So, Nancy, look, we have had multiple witnesses reach out
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  Speaker 2: to us, two confirmed witnesses that saw Nolan Wells on
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  Speaker 2: the island around six pm on July fourth, well after
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  Speaker 2: the triton, as you said, left around four thirty. And
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  Speaker 2: so those witnesses have went to investigators, they've talked to
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  Speaker 2: the police, and they've done what they're supposed to do, cooperated.
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  Speaker 1: Where did they see him, Tyler Cox? Where did the
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  Speaker 1: witnesses see them? Do they know him well enough to
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  Speaker 1: make a positive ID? Hey, speaking of a positive ID
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  Speaker 1: Control room, Please pull up a photo that we showed
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  Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. There are two or three women,
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  Speaker 1: white females walking along the beach, as I recall, each
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  Speaker 1: clad in a bikini. There is one I believe, a
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  Speaker 1: white male and one black male walking with them. That
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  Speaker 1: Kenya zoom in a little bit. That's not really helping
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  Speaker 1: me that much. For instance, did your witnesses know Nolan?
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  Speaker 1: Can they identify him? Because I'm looking right at this
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  Speaker 1: and I cannot identify if the male behind the female
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  Speaker 1: on the white the female wearing a white hat. I
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  Speaker 1: can't tell if that's Nolan or not. It's a very
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  Speaker 1: blurry photo. I can't make it out. So do your
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  Speaker 1: witnesses know him? I mean, let me see my guest please,
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  Speaker 1: mister Pulsig, mister Cox, I know the two of you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see both of them there they are. The
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  Speaker 1: two of you have tried a lot of cases, as
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  Speaker 1: have I, to get in or attack an eye witness you,
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  Speaker 1: And it's in the code, the Official Code of miss
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi annotated. There are prescribed methods under which you cross
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  Speaker 1: examine an eye witness. For instance, does the witness know
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  Speaker 1: the target? Was the lighting sufficient? How far away was
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  Speaker 1: the witness? What were the conditions of the eyewitness identification?
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  Speaker 1: Was the eyewitness inebriated or high or otherwise incapacitated? How
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  Speaker 1: far away were they? Do they wear glasses? It goes
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  Speaker 1: on and on and on. It's laid out in the code.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about these witnesses. How do they know it
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  Speaker 1: was knowing? Hey, Control room, show me that picture of
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  Speaker 1: Nolan on the boat. He's been over All I can
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  Speaker 1: see are his legs and is behind the only reason
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  Speaker 1: I think that's no one because it matches his swimsuit.
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  Speaker 1: Did they see that? How can they identify Nolan?
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  Speaker 2: First of you, Tyler, Well, I'm not sure if the
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  Speaker 2: witnesses saw that picture that you just put on screen,
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  Speaker 2: but I can confirm to you that these witnesses know
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  Speaker 2: no one. They've known him for a long time. They
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  Speaker 2: were able to make a positive ID and they've told
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  Speaker 2: that to investigators. They've told them that from the very start.
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  Speaker 1: Had they been drinking that I do not know. How
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  Speaker 1: are they sure it was six o'clock. Look, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying you're wrong. I'm asking the questions I would ask
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  Speaker 1: in court. How do they know at six o'clock? Did
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  Speaker 1: they go, oh, there's no one wills at six pm?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure, Nancy, they were where the time that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if they were drinking or not, But
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  Speaker 2: they're the ones that came forward to police and investigators,
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  Speaker 2: and that's their story to tell. What I'm telling you
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  Speaker 2: is they've made a positive idea on Nolan Wells around
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  Speaker 2: six o'clock, and they told that to investigators all while
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  Speaker 2: our clients were off the island around four to thirty
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  Speaker 2: so we have positive identification on Nolan on the island
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  Speaker 2: an hour and a half after our clients left. So,
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  Speaker 2: as you know from your experience as a prosecutor, they
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  Speaker 2: can't do two things at once. They can't be on
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  Speaker 2: the island at six o'clock and be on the boat
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  Speaker 2: gone off the island at four thirty. So that's where
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  Speaker 2: we are. Our clients have nothing to do with the
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  Speaker 2: death of Nolan Wells. We don't know how we died.
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  Speaker 2: We want to know. Please tell us somebody. We want
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  Speaker 2: to know, just as much as anyone else. Our clients
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  Speaker 2: loved Nolan Wells. They were brothers to Nolan Wells. I've
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  Speaker 2: still yet to hear one bad thing about Nolan Wells.
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  Speaker 2: He was a good Ocean Springs kid, just as Chuck
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  Speaker 2: Boardy says all the time in the courtroom, these are
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  Speaker 2: good Ocean Springs people. So Nolan was a good Ocean
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  Speaker 2: Springs person too. They love no We want to know
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  Speaker 2: well someone.
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  Speaker 1: Just stop right there, Tyler, Tyler, I've got one hour,
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  Speaker 1: and nobody's running from miss congeniality. Let's just let it
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  Speaker 1: be noted. Judicial notice. They were all good. Everybody's good, okay, Tyler. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the witnesses that came forward. Here's something that would tend
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  Speaker 1: to corroborate them is if multiple witnesses said the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Witnesses separated in time and space, Witnesses that are not
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  Speaker 1: all friends, Witnesses that are not good friends with your clients,
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  Speaker 1: that may have a reason to be fuzzy on the time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they are or that they're not. Here's
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  Speaker 1: my question to you. Are these witnesses friends of your clients?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're friends. And then they're not even
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  Speaker 2: the same age.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, next question, how many witnesses place him there on
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  Speaker 1: the island at six ish?
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  Speaker 2: At least two that I know.
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  Speaker 1: Two. Do the witnesses know each other?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Were they together that day?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Have they had a chance to discuss their recollections with
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  Speaker 1: each other before they came to police?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm truly did, Nancy. Look, they did what they
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  Speaker 2: were supposed to do, and they spoke to police officers.
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  Speaker 2: And you know as well as I do that if
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  Speaker 2: investigators or a DA's office had any sort of problem
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  Speaker 2: cause to make an arrest in a case like this,
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  Speaker 2: they would they would have or they.
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  Speaker 1: May be gathering evidence to make sure they've got all
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  Speaker 1: the evidence that there is. I mean, I would wait
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  Speaker 1: until I had all the evidence, including a completed autims
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  Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. Regarding Nolan's body, I've heard
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of inflammatory things, but the one thing that well,
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  Speaker 1: many things are very interesting and probative. For instance, why
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  Speaker 1: was Nolan's neck of so much interest to the original
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  Speaker 1: medical examiner that it was removed? His foot wasn't removed,
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  Speaker 1: his toe wasn't removed, his ear wasn't removed. Why his neck,
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  Speaker 1: the lungs, and the neck were removed, which obviously Edward
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  Speaker 1: Poultsik touches on cod cause of death. I understand why
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  Speaker 1: the medical examiner took his lungs. He had to run
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  Speaker 1: tests on them to determine did he drown? Of course,
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  Speaker 1: all three of us know you can drown and there
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  Speaker 1: still be foul play. Somebody whacked you on the head,
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  Speaker 1: if somebody held you underwater. It could be any number
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  Speaker 1: of things, or it could be an innocent drowning. But
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  Speaker 1: why the throat? What was curious about the throat ed
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  Speaker 1: were their marks on the throat? Was there a ligature mark?
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  Speaker 1: Was there manual strangulation? Was there a compression, Were there bruises?
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  Speaker 1: Were there scratches? I don't know, was the hyoid missing?
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  Speaker 1: I could go on, but I won't do. Either of
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  Speaker 1: you know what was of interest to the medical examiner
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  Speaker 1: in the removal of Nolan's throat.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you this, Listen. We're not corners, we're not
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  Speaker 4: medical examiners. We want to know what happened to him
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  Speaker 4: just as much as everyone else. Quite frankly more because
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  Speaker 4: Nolan was their best friend, Warren Morgan Jack's Nolan was
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  Speaker 4: their best friend. We want to know what happened. We
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  Speaker 4: haven't examined Nolan's body. We're not scientists.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought maybe you had been somehow told why
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  Speaker 1: they took his throat. Okay, that's a note. We don't
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  Speaker 1: know why they took his throat.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't want to spec Let me start with.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: An open ended question to you, gentlemen. I started with
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: why haven't they taken a polygraph? I want to hear
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: what your clients are saying happened that day because my
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: interest is piqued because you stated a young lady, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I assume this is Katie, the mysterious Katie. He turns
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: out not to be that mysterious at all, which was
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: made of that? Now, one thing about Katie. Originally someone
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: or some of your clients said he was with some
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: girl we don't know her. Then it turned out they
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: had been texting with her, so they did know her.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: There may be an innocent explanation for that or not.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: So explain to me who are they talking about When
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: they said he was with the girl we don't know her,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: He had never met her before, but yet they were
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: texting with Katie, the girl he had been with. I'll
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: throw that to you, Tyler. Do you know the answer
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: to that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Sure, So they didn't know Katie, and they believe that
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Nolan didn't know Katie before that day. But you have
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to remember, once they started getting suspicious that Nolan wasn't
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: with them anymore, they started asking them, says, okay, well
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: where's Nolan. They start texting everyone that they knew, Hey
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: have you seen Nolan? Do you know where no one is?
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Did he make it back home? All before they called
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Christine Wells that night. They start asking everybody and so
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: eventually they end up getting through mutual friends whoever Katie's number?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: And so I believe it was maybe either snapchat or
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: text message, they got in communication with Katie, and Katie says,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We thought he was leaving with y'all. Well,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that's the case, obviously, because he did
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: not leave with our boys. We don't know what happened
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: to him. But that's Katie's statement. That's how they got
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: ahold of Katie's numbers, because they're frantically trying to find
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: out what happened to Nolan.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: What's your take on an ad because I think he's
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: saying they did know Katie. I couldn't tell if he
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: said did or didn't. Did he say they all did
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: know Katie?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: No, they did not.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: They didn't know Katie all right, and they they determined
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: who she was. Okay, hey, hold on, Tyler, you stayed.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: They your clients began to get suspicious. Where is Nolan?
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: When did they get suspicious?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: It was later that night. I believe it was around
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: nine or ten o'clock, maybe even eleven, that they start saying, oh, well,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: has anyone seen Nolan? Where's Nolan? Didn't make it back home?
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Did anybody know? They start calling around, texting, asking everybody,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: and once they once they determined that no one had
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: the answer about where Nolan was. That's when they called
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Christine Wells and then they stayed on the phone. My
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: client stayed on the phone with Christine Wells for about
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: five or six minutes, and then he tells her, look,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to call the Coastguard just to make sure,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: and he did. He stays on the phone with the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Coast Card for twenty one minutes.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Okay. Ed Poulsick, also veteran trial lawyer, ed, do you
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: concur with that explanation of why they first said I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: don't know her, we don't know where he didn't know her,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and then we find out that they had actually been
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: texting with Katie? What's your understanding of that? Again? I
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: had my favorite trial judge, Luther Alberson, would tell every
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: jury it is your duty to make all witnesses speak
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the truth. What does that mean? To reconcile the different
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: seemingly conflicting stories, to make everyone be telling the truth
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and in pan perjury on no one. So maybe there's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: an explanation for this. Why do they say we don't
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: know her and then they're texting her so they did
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: know her?
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: That characterization they didn't say that, there's no contradiction. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: can just tell you this. They didn't know her. Nolan
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: was with her much of the day, and he was
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: still on he was still on the island when they left.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: He did. He apparently spent much of the day with
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: this young lady. That seems to be what happened. But no,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: there was this this young lady was not part of
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: their friend group. That's right.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, So when they say they didn't know her, but
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: yet they were texting her they did know her name, Well,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I agree with that characterization. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: the premise is flawed. She's not part of their friend group.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: They don't know her. I can tell you that it
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: does appear once again, it appears that Nolan was with
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: this young lady for much of the day. That does
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: seem to be confirmed by many witnesses. And I can
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: tell you this. I I Nancy one thing about this island.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: I did have the opportunity to go to Horn Island,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: and when you go to the island, everything starts to
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: make sense that that's a the first picture was maybe
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: not so accurate. If you go to the part of
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Warren Island where you know these events all occurred. You
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: see that there are really no trees on that part
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: of the island. It's flat, it's open, there are no
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: visual obstructions, so there's no trees, there's no shelter, there's
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: no nothing. And it was broad daylight with thousands of
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: people there, meaning there was no opportunity for foul play
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: during daylight hours. And that's where this whole thing starts
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: to unravel ed.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: You have to go to the ISA, have to there's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: an opportunity for foul play. He could have been this
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: not over I'm telling you this to be on the beach,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: it could be anywhere.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: You got to understand, it's a ten mile long barrier island,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: but it's only a few hundred yards wide. In most places,
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: there's nowhere to hide.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Let me say the video would show it to Ed
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and Tyler. The video of all those boats. Anything could
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: have happened between those boats. Anything, well, even an accident
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: could happen between those boats and everything. So many people
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: are drunk. I don't think they're paying attention.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Right, we could
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: always say anything as possible. An asteroid could strike right now,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: But I am telling you that there are a lot
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: of people who have talked about this case and have
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: said things that are not true, and they haven't been
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: to the island. They've got to go to the island.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: If you don't go to the island, you can't speak
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: with authority about the case. And I won't name names,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: but a lot of people who have hurt these fine
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: young men and have defamed them, they've never visited the island.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: And I'm willing to bet that they've never visited the islands.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Look at it, right there, that shot you have right there,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: broad daylight, with thousands of people there. The picture speaks
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: for itself.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I agree with what you're saying. I agree that it
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: would be nearly impossible for foul play to take place
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: on on that beach. Again, I direct your attention to
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the gathering of boats, with the boats closely together, everybody's drinking,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: nobody's paying attention, Like I can't tell what's going going
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: on between the boats in a distance. I don't know.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening in the water. I don't know.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: That can say.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I agree. I don't think they happen out in the
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: plane view on the beach. But there are other alternatives.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I want to add, though, we have a difference of opinion.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: When I see that video of the boats in the
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: water there, that also is not a good place to
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: get away with murder. Now, we have been very careful.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: We have refrained from speculation, we have refrained from guessing,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: and we're going to continue to do that. However, plane
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: view of that scene, the beach, the boats, the water,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: that is not a secret of environment. It just isn't.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I agree the beach not secretive, and I also agree
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the whole island is not secretive because there's really nowhere
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: to hide there. Anyway, Guys, let me move to the boat,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the Triton. Has the boat been searched by authorities?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I do not believe that it has been searched by authorities,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: but it's been available to authorities this entire time. If
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: authorities wanted to come see it, they're more than able
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: to and have been.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, I find that very interesting, Tyler, And I'll tell
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you why. In so many cases that I've prosecuted and
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: covered and investigated, you see defendants targets trying to get
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: rid of evidence. You see them cleaning the boat, you
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: see them washing it down. You see them trying all
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: sorts of methods to get rid of evidence. It's interesting
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to me and somewhat that your clients have offered the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: boat up to law enforcement to come and search it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I'm curious, has a boat not just been searched with
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: the naked eye? Has lumin all been used on the boat?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Has alternative light sources been used on the boat? Has
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: a cadaver dog come to the boat? Has a scent
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: dog come to the boat? To your knowledge, either one
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: of you?
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: To my knowledge, Nancy, I do not believe that has happened.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: But again, my three clients, either one of them, none
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: of them own that boat. So if it has, you
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: would have to ask the owners.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Tyler, do I look like I just fell off the
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: turnip truck? Maybe I do, because we did sell turnips
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: at the farmer's market when I was growing up. That said,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you telling me my clients don't on the boat, so
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you'd have to ask the owner. Come on, you and
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Paul Sick. No, if the boat has been searched, you know,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: if cadaverage dogs or scent dogs, luminol or alternative light
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: has been used on the bat can you just tell
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: me yes, No, it's not your client's fault. It's law
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: enforcement's fault if they haven't done it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: If authorities thought that there was something to find on
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: that boat, don't you think this far out they've already
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: done it.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I would think in the ordinary course of an investigation
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: into potential foul play, I would have gone out there
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and done it, just to say I searched it and
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: it was clean. I didn't find an as well as a.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Valid hold on. You're asking a valid question. You're just
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: asking the wrong people. That's a question for law enforcement.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: To your knowledge, has it been searched? Have you been
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: told by anyone that it was searched.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I don't have any involvement in the law enforcement. I
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: don't have any involvement in the investigation. You can take
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: it how you want. We're conducting our own investigation.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Joining us tonight. Tyler Cox, the lawyer for several of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the young men, also with us. Edward Pulsik, attorney for
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the boys as well. Tell me what you can about
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the ce twe call. I've had renowned experts say this
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't doctored. I've had renowned experts say this was totally doctored.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Have you heard the original seto call from Mississippi Department
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Marine Resources. Have either of you listened to that call?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Because I've heard it so many times, I'm now jaded
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: based on what people think they're hearing, based on enhancements.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I even had my own producer, who does not have
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: a dog in this light, no skin in the game,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: hants it. But I want to hear what you guys
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: know about the sea toe call. My mind is open.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Look, anybody can adjust the game, anybody can can enhance
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: it or sweeten it, but it doesn't change the fact
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: that just because you put words over some audio means
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: that those words are now attrib attributable to what is
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: on the call. Look, another boy called Cete. We have
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: a video that was released of Brandon Tatum. He posted
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: it and it shows who all was on the boat.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: At no point in time does this see toe call ever,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Not once where you find any sort of mention of
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Nolan being on the boat, of something happening to Nolan.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I cannot state clearly enough Nolan was not on the
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: boat when it departed around four thirty. Look the video
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: that you're showing now, does anyone look like and Look,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: there's the boy that's on the Seatoe Call right there?
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Does anyone look like there's a body on the boat
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: or something had just happened. Look, Nancy, you were a
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: prosecuted for a long time. None of these boys have
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: a story that is untrue. Don't you think that after
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: all this time somebody would have snitched, that somebody wouldn't
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: be able to keep their stories straight? No, look, the.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Typically You're absolutely right. That's why I usually don't believe
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: in conspiracies, because nobody can keep their yap shut. Somebody
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: blabs and Nancy, now I'll say something about the Seatoe Call.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: I have heard a lot of versions of the Seatoe Call,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: and most of them are either completely fake or ai
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: or doctored, And unfortunately for folks that are doing that,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: that may become the subject of one or more lawsuits.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: It appears that there are hundreds of versions of the
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Seto Call all over the internet, everywhere online, so now
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: nobody can keep track of it. But I can tell
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: you that I can tell you look at those photos.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Nolan Wells is not on that.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: The photos to me are very convincing. Let's see the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: photo they're talking about again.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm glad we agree about that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Do I know what time that was or what day
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: that was? Is there a time stamp. Look, I'm not
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: saying either of you are lying. I'm saying this is
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: how I would test evidence in court. I mean, I
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: take everything with a box of salt. When was that taken,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: where was it taken, what time was it taken? I'm
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: curious is it timestamp?
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: And Nancy, in this case for over thirty days, the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: facts are the facts are the facts. These boys had
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with the death of Noman Wells.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Video.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Nancy, I'm going to answer it this way. Yes, we
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: don't think. We don't think that you're We don't think
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: that you're accusing us of lying. We don't. We don't
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: feel that way. We're just simply saying this, and it's okay,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: you're asking legitimate investigative questions and we don't fault you
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: for that. But here's what we're saying. It's been over
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: thirty days. There has never been one shred, one iota,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: one piece nothing. There is no evidence that ties Warren,
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Morgan or Jacks to any crime because they did not
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: commit a crime. They had nothing more than right and I.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: On that video.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: But that's not no, that's not our burden. See that's
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: the problem. You're putting this burden on us. All right,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: there's never been one piece.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: You did that to yourself when you said he here's
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the boat that day and he's not on it. That
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: may very well be true, that may be absolutely true.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And I'm saying when was the video taken?
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Well, no, I'm telling you.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: And I'm telling another thing, Nancy. We have multiple witnesses,
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: and we're going to protect their names on the air here.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: We're not going to air out I think he should
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: the witnesses we are. We're going to protect them. So
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I want to I want to emphasize that as well.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: The witnesses that we're talking about, we're not going to
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: do that to them. We're not going to name them
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: here on the air. We're not doing that. I'm not
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: asking you to Yeah, well it sounds like you are.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I'm asking you again when the timestamp is on that video.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: But if you don't know, I'm not saying that that's
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: wrong or right. I'm saying I want to know to
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: corroborate that video.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: I understand that, But that's not a relevant question for
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: your present guests. Since we didn't make the video, but
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: I can tell you.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: This, Okay, Well, you share the video and that's why
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I'm asking. Okay, let me ask you something else that
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: your clients go ahead, no od witnesses or you know
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of witnesses that place no One at Horn Island alive
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: at six pm? Yes, yes, all of this aside all
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: of the has the boat been searched? Where is Nolan phone?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Where are your clients phone? All that is superseded by
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the fact that there may be witnesses placing him alive
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: on the island at six pm, And everything else disappears
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: for me if that is true, because I know your
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: clients were gone at four thirty ish. Yes, have theseess
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: witnesses been questioned by law enforcement? Do you know?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And I'll tell you another thing. And I'll
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: tell you another thing, one other thing. There's a carollary, Nancy,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: there's a carollary. So there are witnesses who can place
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Nolan Wells on the island at six pm. There are
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: also witnesses who can confirm that Warren, Morgan and Jackson
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: left the island round four thirty. So both sides are covered.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: We've got it covered well for me.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: For me, It's not that simple, because I still don't
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: know what happened to Nolan Wills. However, neither do I
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: believe that the GPS, which really cannot be controverted, shows
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: when the triton left witness or no witness. I've got that. Now,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: who's on the boat. I believe that video is going
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to tell me who's on the boat. But all that
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the overarching issue is was he alive at six pm?
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: This is where I'm.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Going He and Nancy. I don't.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Who was with him last. I don't care if it
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: exonerates or can make anybody. I just want to know
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the truth.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: And it's good to ask, and I want to say this,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: it's good to ask tough questions. These are all these
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: are all valid questions. But what we're trying to do
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: for you is simplify it. Four point thirty and six pm.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: End of story.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I want to believe you.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I want to believe you ed, but just because somebody
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: says so, don't make it so. And I'm trying to
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: prove it that your clients were gone and that no
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: one more importantly in my mind, was still alive. If
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: that's true, your clients are in the clear as far
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: as I'm too call and everything else falls away if
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I can place him a lot at six pm. And
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the people that want to hang your clients, I can't
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: help their unrequited anger. Yes, I don't care, because somebody,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: in my mind was the last person to see Nolan
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Will's life, whether it's your clients or somebody else. And
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I want to find that person that saw you say
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  Speaker 1: six o'clock. Who are they? Make yourselves known? Put us
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: all out of our misery. Help me find out what
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: happened to no one. Yes, you understand, I'm just trying
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: to find out. Yes, sir, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Why in the world would these witnesses come be make
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: themselves public? After you've seen more than thirty days of
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: death threats, in person threats, credible threats, people making threats
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: and getting arested all geared towards these boys and others.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Why would they become public?
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Why would they One answer is they're telling the truth
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and they want to put it out there. Another policy investigators,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: everybody already knew who they were, so they went out
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: on tatum to exonerate themselves. I mean that could go
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: either way, but I see what you're saying, I get.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: It, And Nancy, have you ever seen any other people
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: accused of the crimes that online internet trolls have accused
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: these boys up, go and do podcasts, do interviews, have
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: their attorneys go and advocate for them like this on
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: a on a national platform like this. If we weren't
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure and they weren't one hundred percent
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: sure that nothing they did was in connection to Nolan
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  Speaker 2: Will's death, they left the island at four, We're thirty.
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  Speaker 2: He was spotted on the island after that at six alive,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: and well that's it, end of story. Do you think
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: these are actions of three boys who one keep their
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: stories straight too, don't snitch on each other, and three
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: have made and had to have made to defend themselves
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: multiple media appearances and have their attorneys do the same.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Are those the actions of someone who is guilty?
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  Speaker 4: No?
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Typically, no, I agree with you, but there are cases
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: where killers go out in the front of it and
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: make all sorts of please please bring me my wife home,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: please bring my little babies home. That I know that's
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: not what you want to hear, but yes, I have seen.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: It, right, and Nancy, Nancy, let me give you a
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: really important point here. And by the way, I appreciate
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: some of the things you're saying, and let me just
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: say this, this might be the most important thing. Look,
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: we have a lot of humility. One going to Jacks
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: have a lot of humility. One of the things that
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: we knew we were going to come on with you
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: is we know you're going to ask us tough questions.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: We know you're going to ask us tough questions, and
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: we're happy to answer them as best we can. But
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: one thing we've been very consistent about there are so
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: many things we don't know. Right we won't be able
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: to answer all of your tough questions. And the reason
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: we can't is because we just don't know the answer
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: to a lot of them. But we do know what
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: we know. We know they were off that island at
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: four point thirty. We know Nolan was on the island
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: at six. We just want to emphasize our humility in
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: that regard because we just don't know, and we would
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: love to know. We want to know how this tragedy
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: happened as much as anyone.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: More than anyone, I want both of you, gentlemen to
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: understand something. If I thought I convicted the wrong person,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I couldn't live with myself. I personally personally investigated every
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: case I ever tried and put before a journey. I
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: do not want the wrong person, an innocent person to
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: suffer claims and allegations, much less go to jail. But
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I do want the right person. If there is the
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: right person, if there is which leads me to I
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: want to believe you, and I want to believe your clients.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: But for me, everything is what can I prove? What
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: can I prove? They say, so, so what prove it
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: to me? Let me ask you this. Do you know
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: where Nolan's phone is? Anybody? Can anybody tell me where
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Nolan's phone is?
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Good question as we sit here today.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Has it ever been turned over to authorities?
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: No, it has not.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: You're sure?
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that. Ben Crump using local council sent
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: a letter out just last night, gave it to Don
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Lemon on his show, and Don Lemon on his show
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: confirmed that they have not given the phone to investigators.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Well, that's on investigators because they need to get the
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: phone and they need to look at it.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: How they gonna get it if they don't give it
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: to them.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Warrant, subpoena duca's jury, Sea Duke has.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Taken sure, but it hasn't been to.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Hasn't been to grand Are you telling me you don't
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: think a grand jury is convening on this?
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I think they are. I don't think they have.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Look, but you said, how do you get the phone?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: You obviously get the phone. Police go say hey, can
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: we look at the phone, and they go, sure, here
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: it is. That's one way. Or you get a potential crime,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: you get a warrant and you go, hey, give me
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: the phone. Here's the warrant. That's two ways. Or you
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: get a grand jewry or a judge's order. There's all
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: sorts of ways to get that phone.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, why can they hand it over? Yeah? Nancy, Yeah, Nancy?
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Why yeah? Why? Why is that phone hasn't been turned over? Why? Why?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: But I think it should be and I think it
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: should be asked for. Look, I am not stirring the
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Nolan Whells phone pot with you. I got bigger fish
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to fright with you, two gentlemen. I'm just curious. I mean,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: wouldn't that put a lot to bed if we could
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: look at the phone and look at the GPS tracker
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: on it. Look at the route, I mean, look right now,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: because it got live three sixty.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: Yay, Nancy, we will look at that. I mean, Nancy,
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: we want more evidence. Let's get it all. That's the thing,
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: that's that's the beauty of it. When you're telling the
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: truth and you're representing three innocent young men. The beauty
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: of it is you want more evidence.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: We gave our phones up. We let them do a
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: phone up of our.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Phones, which I find very very interesting because a phone
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: dump everybody shows where the phone's be in, what time
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: it was there. It's not hard to do it, pings
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: off phone cell towers and you can tell as it
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: progresses along. Not hard, easy, and I find that probative
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: because it will tell me when the boys went to
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Horn Island, the young men, and when they returned. It's
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: better than an eyewitness to me, Tyler, What else do
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: you have.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: To add, Nancy? We have told you. We've told everyone
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: we could. We've shouted it from the rooftops, the same
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: story over and over again. There's no other way to
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: say it. It's like banging our heads against the wall
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: because nobody, at least in the online nine sphere will
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: listen to it. We've said the same thing over and
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: over and over again. We can't say it any other
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: different way. That's the truth. The truth is what it is.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I truly believe that submitting to polygraphs, or having the
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: boat searched by law enforcement with sent dogs and cadaver
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: dogs in Luminol, we go a long way to stopping
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: the speculation. But again, all that aside, if I could
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: speak to or hear from those witnesses placing no one
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: alive at six after your clients had left the island,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I feel that the investigation would take a different turn.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: In any event, we do not want to pile on
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: any individuals suffering if they are in in That's not
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: what I want. I want the truth, as I.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Believe you do too well, of course I do. I'll
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: be happy to reach out to them and at least
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: ask them best I can do.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: That said, gentlemen, I appreciate you coming on with us,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and I invite you back to answer even more questions.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Cox and Paul Sick have been in court today throughout
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: the day on another matter and have joined us here
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: and answered a lot of questions and didn't answer a
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: lot of questions, they say they don't know the answer too,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: and they could very well be telling the truth. So
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: when will we know the truth? And my burning question
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: at this hour is, if those witnesses are telling the truth,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: then Nolan Wells was alive at six pm, how did
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: he die, who was the last person with him? And
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: why tonight one month later? Do we not know the
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: truth of what happened to Nolan Wells? If you know
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: or think you know anything regarding this case, and I
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: implore the FBI to enter the investigation dial two two
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: eight seven sixty nine three zero sixty three. Repeat two
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: two eight seven sixty nine three zero sixty three. There
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: is one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars reward for
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: information leading to the truth of what happened to Nolan Wells.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I also implore you please, we can take the trolling online,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: don't care, but the death threats no to anybody. Let
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the law unfold as it should. We remember an American hero,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Chief William Rosen Neptune Township, e MS, New Jersey, killed
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: in the line of duty, leaving behind a wife termed
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: widow Kristen, and an only son, Sebastian American hero Chief
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: William Rosen. Thank you to our guests for being with
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: us tonight and hopefully they will accept my invitation to
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: join me again, but especially to you for being with
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: me tonight and every night here on Crime Stories as
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: we seek to further the investigation into the death of
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Nolan Wells. Nancy Grace signing off for tonight, but God willing,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then in my
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: journey