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Lovable Reunion - Joe Maddon on Rizzo's hangover, Cubs CRAZY pizza party & NEW 2016 World Series stories w/ David Ross · Ross and Rizzo Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Here we are at the Lovable Reunion Podcast interviewing our coach.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Madams, coach, Anthony's coach, Anthony's plural two.
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  Speaker 1: Time World Series champion one as a manager in the
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  Speaker 1: three World Series, second most winning percentage of Cub's history
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  Speaker 1: behind Frank Chance who ROSSI played for. And I say, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: when you surprised everyone in twenty fifteen with signing with us,
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  Speaker 1: it was the first block of building a championship team
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  Speaker 1: and you literally under your leadership turned the Lovable Loser
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  Speaker 1: franchise into expected World Series contenders. So thank you before
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  Speaker 1: we get started.
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  Speaker 2: But let's give it up for Joe mad Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there were no players there, are you kidding me? Thank
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  Speaker 2: you Anthony's and that was I remember that so well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just getting there in the first place. I
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  Speaker 2: really didn't have any CUB tradition built into me. I
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  Speaker 2: was an American leaguer, you know. I came from the Rays,
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  Speaker 2: and Jed and THEO showed up down in your neck
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  Speaker 2: of the woods down here Tallahassee and Navar Beach, and
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  Speaker 2: I was in my RV at Navar Beach and they
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  Speaker 2: come down there and they sit down, we sit down
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  Speaker 2: in the back of my behind my RV on this
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  Speaker 2: little little beach back there, and just start talking philosophically. Right,
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  Speaker 2: and when you.
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  Speaker 3: Had some history with them, I did with interviewing in Boston, Right,
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  Speaker 3: That was many years before.
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  Speaker 2: That was two thousand and four when Tito got the job,
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  Speaker 2: and I really wasn't ready for that job at that time.
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  Speaker 2: I even told them afterwards, you guys made the right choice.
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  Speaker 2: It was a much better choice for me than me
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  Speaker 2: at that particular juncture. But I was the best choice
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  Speaker 2: at that particular juncture. I thought my time with the
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  Speaker 2: Rays really helped me with the planning component of that.
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  Speaker 2: I knew what I wanted. You know, you arrive at
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  Speaker 2: a point in your life where you know what you know.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds dumb, but some people really don't know what
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  Speaker 2: they know. They they're regurgitators. They're always repeating things that
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  Speaker 2: they've heard from somebody else. But by the time I
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  Speaker 2: get to the Cubbies, and even after, I mean even
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  Speaker 2: with the Rays, I knew, I really felt I knew
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  Speaker 2: what it would take to put us into that position.
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  Speaker 2: And of course you have to have great players. Don't
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  Speaker 2: be deceived. I mean, managers are good because the players
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  Speaker 2: are good, and if you have a really good pitching staff,
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  Speaker 2: for even better. And if you have a real closer,
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  Speaker 2: you could be the best manager there is. All that
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  Speaker 2: stuff is part of the gig. But you guys are fabulous.
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  Speaker 2: It was so interesting because the Rays are great. I
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  Speaker 2: love Tampa Bay and we're here right now. But the
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  Speaker 2: tradition of the Cubs walking into Wrigley Field every day.
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  Speaker 2: I would walk in and look up and say thank you,
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  Speaker 2: because I never I never experienced that. Anaheim was great
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  Speaker 2: for a while, you know, I was, but I was
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  Speaker 2: not a manager. And the Rays played at the Troup,
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  Speaker 2: which is cool. But Wrigley Field, I think for me
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  Speaker 2: is the best professional venue in all of sports. I
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  Speaker 2: will go to Europe, all these soccer stadiums, whatever, and
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  Speaker 2: I put Wriggly up against all of them, because on
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  Speaker 2: a daily basis, those people of that ballpark you could play.
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  Speaker 2: I'll shut up in a second, but remember we played
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  Speaker 2: the Indians on a Monday and a makeup game. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was twenty sixteen, makeup Monday at one o'clock
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  Speaker 2: in the afternoon. I think it was Lester versus Clover. Clover.
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  Speaker 2: Forty thousand people insane. It doesn't happen so anyway. Long answer,
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  Speaker 2: but there's so much adrenaline and excitement in that ballpark
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  Speaker 2: every frigging day. And then we have a combination. Now,
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  Speaker 2: these guys are great players, but think of the charisma
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  Speaker 2: of our group. And it started in fifteen, but it
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  Speaker 2: really built into sixteen. But charismatically, you guys are so
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  Speaker 2: cool to be with on a daily basis. And I
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  Speaker 2: was with a bunch of men. I wasn't with a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of kids, you know, And that's really was exciting
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  Speaker 2: to me too. So there's a lot of contributing factors
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  Speaker 2: to that. I was just I was fortunate and happy
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  Speaker 2: to be there because I felt really good about that group. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we mimicked the cool manager.
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  Speaker 3: You are so outside the box and yeah, shaving the
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  Speaker 3: head and spring training, but the shot to the press conference,
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  Speaker 3: and I.
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  Speaker 1: Remember that press conference like you do really well. Rossie
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  Speaker 1: and I had uh we were doing an ESPN car
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  Speaker 1: wash for the playoffs and fourteen going into fifteen. I
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  Speaker 1: remember I remember talking to about our agents. We had
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  Speaker 1: the same agents, and I was like, rossi's what we
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  Speaker 1: need as a young team. And then you came over
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  Speaker 1: and it was like, oh my god, and then we
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  Speaker 1: signed Lester and Rossa. At your press conference, it was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think you said, you said something along
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  Speaker 1: the lines unless you can't be here unless we aligned
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  Speaker 1: perfectly with the front office, right, And for a number
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  Speaker 1: of years we did. You aligned perfectly at the front office.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously later on the years, you know, things changed.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit, risk up hitting and offense.
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  Speaker 1: That was that was taxes and me hitting, and those
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  Speaker 1: years were very consistent.
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  Speaker 3: I got to get jab at you every once in a.
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  Speaker 1: While, but there's just I respected you so much from
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  Speaker 1: Afar as a young player. I was twenty one when
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  Speaker 1: I got called up. I was in the big leagues
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  Speaker 1: for four years before you signed, and I remember with
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  Speaker 1: the rays you did, I think it was like a
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  Speaker 1: with stock trip out with that. We did all the
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  Speaker 1: things you did, and I'm like, this is what we
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  Speaker 1: need because I'm like, as a rookie, like you're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to get to the field at twelve o'clock for seven
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  Speaker 1: o'clock game, Like why don't we.
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  Speaker 2: Get yourself early? It's nuts?
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  Speaker 1: And everything you did from Afar I aligned with. So
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  Speaker 1: when we signed you, I was literally like a kid.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still like a kid every time around.
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  Speaker 2: You, so I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: What did you try to implement coming in to Chicago?
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  Speaker 3: Like what was you get a new job and trying
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  Speaker 3: to learn everything, and what did you feel like when
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  Speaker 3: you first got there. I really want to change this,
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  Speaker 3: or you're really good about being yourself, But what what
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  Speaker 3: kind of a new environment that's that's not easy?
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  Speaker 2: I learned something in nineteen eighty five for something like
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  Speaker 2: that with Jean Mark that goes back a bit. I
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  Speaker 2: was running the instructional League in Arizona. I was the
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  Speaker 2: field coordinator and a manager. I wasn't manager, but I
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  Speaker 2: was leading that destruction league group. Gene comes in a time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm out in the cage. I'm just throwing my BP,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm I'm running the whole thing. And Gene walks
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  Speaker 2: up to me and he says, in between he gave
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  Speaker 2: me one of these, come over and speak with him.
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  Speaker 2: You've created a great environment around here. And he had
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  Speaker 2: his like polyester's on his here is perfect, smoking his cigarette.
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  Speaker 2: He's loved to play golf, bridge, smoke a little bourbon.
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  Speaker 2: Then he just takes off like a puff, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he just disappears. And I thought to myself, what the
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  Speaker 2: hell is he talking about? I had no idea what
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  Speaker 2: he's talking about. And I think when you do things organically,
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  Speaker 2: you don't know what you're doing sometimes, which is a
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  Speaker 2: good thing. It's like the zone of being a coach
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  Speaker 2: or a manager. But but I went home that night
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  Speaker 2: and I thought, what hell was he talking about? So
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  Speaker 2: I sat around and actually took no I wrote notes
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  Speaker 2: by my At that time, I was a big note taker.
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  Speaker 2: We built relationships, and when conversations and not just talking
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  Speaker 2: to somebody, really listening to somebody, there's a different We
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  Speaker 2: were talking about that before we started doing this, to
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  Speaker 2: really listen to somebody. People will have a conversation kind
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  Speaker 2: of but we really listened to one another, and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of times the answer is no. But that's that
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  Speaker 2: was my first takeaway. And then what happen because of that?
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  Speaker 2: We trusted each other. I mean, and I know everybody
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  Speaker 2: wants more ground balls, choreographed early work, all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: dead information, booklets on the bench. Everybody wants. That's the
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  Speaker 2: You don't start there. You start by relationship building, listening
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  Speaker 2: to people. Then you build trust, and then you can
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  Speaker 2: exchange ideas. In other words, like David and I have
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  Speaker 2: different perspective or thoughts on something. So you give me yours,
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  Speaker 2: I give you mine. And because we built trust and
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  Speaker 2: we have a relationship, it's not going to be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna listen to Joe. I'm just gonna he's
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  Speaker 2: not listening to me right now. It's my way. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to support them whatsoever. So you get this pushback.
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  Speaker 2: So but if you establish those first two things, then
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  Speaker 2: we can exchange ideas and I can disagree with you
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  Speaker 2: and we could listen because that leads to constructive criticism.
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  Speaker 2: Think about it. Think about it. I mean my best coaches,
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  Speaker 2: the guys are really loved, the guys that told me
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  Speaker 2: when I was wrong. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you said honestly without conpassion, people's cruelty's I
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  Speaker 1: took that with me as soon as I heard you
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  Speaker 1: say that.
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  Speaker 2: You said it early, when you first saw with us.
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  Speaker 1: It was game changing for me as a leader, especially
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  Speaker 1: as a young leader at the time. Was I can't
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  Speaker 1: tell anyone what to do. They don't trust me as
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  Speaker 1: a as a person. First, they need to know I
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  Speaker 1: had their best interest, Because you go and tell someone
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  Speaker 1: if any coach you have coaches all the time you come, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you should do this, and I'm like, hold on, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know you. My name is Anthony. Nice to
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  Speaker 1: meet you.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect, Let's have a beer. Perfect, Perfect, And.
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  Speaker 1: You instill that and you come over and you create
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  Speaker 1: the greatest culture of a generation. Really, you were such
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  Speaker 1: a pioneer and we were the first team to have
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  Speaker 1: music at spring training. Every team, all thirty teams now
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  Speaker 1: have music. Is everywhere, all the skits, right. You were
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  Speaker 1: pioneer with analytics that was taboo back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: and then you transitioned and became more of the see
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  Speaker 1: and feel and analytical guy.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like it's a combination of everything.
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  Speaker 1: But the journey of Joe in your what fifty years,
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: sixty years, fifty I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't even know. I started in as a coach in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, as a player in seventy six. But
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that because that's that's exactly how I feel
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  Speaker 2: about it. It's a morphing of things. It's not just
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  Speaker 2: data and analytics, it's also feel and experience and intuition.
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  Speaker 2: I think you know you guys know you know Todd Green,
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  Speaker 2: don't you? Yeah? Green? Do you know Todd Green? At all.
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  Speaker 2: Green is one of my players with the Angels.
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  Speaker 3: Scott Now we were to both catchers and trip away
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  Speaker 3: our daughters of beautiful Man.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful man.
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  Speaker 3: That's how I went to the hockey mass.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, he kept getting his built as a bell rung
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  Speaker 2: with that, I said, stop doing that anyway. So Greene
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  Speaker 2: brought to my attention it's not old school, it's not
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: new school. It's being in school. You know. I think
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  Speaker 2: we you know. It is great line because I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to argue with you about what I learned from
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  Speaker 2: Bob Clear in nineteen seventy nine as a coach, or
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  Speaker 2: what I learned from Andrew Freeman in two thousand and
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  Speaker 2: six or seven as a young manager with the Tampa
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  Speaker 2: Bay Race or the Devil Rays at that time. That's
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  Speaker 2: not the point, because I all of that is important
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: to me. When you fit. Extremism in any shape or
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  Speaker 2: forming in our politics in today's world is awful. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not into extremes. I think there's a balance to be
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  Speaker 2: sawed and control and felt with everything. So I was
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  Speaker 2: at the forefront of the data analytics in the early
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  Speaker 2: two thousands. It was all my own stuff. Nobody told
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  Speaker 2: me how to do this. But I got Bob Clear,
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  Speaker 2: I got Gene Mack, I got Whitey Herzog, I got
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: Cookie Rojas, I got Marcel Ash I could go on
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  Speaker 2: down seeah, I got don Zim, I got all these dudes,
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  Speaker 2: come on. I got their stuff, and then I got
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  Speaker 2: the newer stuff that started about two thousand and five
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  Speaker 2: six seven with the Devil rays. And why would I
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: not want to use both sides of this thing? Why
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  Speaker 2: would you want to rely heavily on one or the other.
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  Speaker 2: Why can't you understand it's so how important it is
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  Speaker 2: to morph these things together to really come to being
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: in school, Greeny was brilliant when he told that to me.
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  Speaker 2: So that's where that's where we lie today. It's too
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  Speaker 2: heavy handed eye leave one side being the more analytical,
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  Speaker 2: data driven, controlling side, as opposed to the empowerment side,
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  Speaker 2: which is the intuition, the feel, the experience side. For me,
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  Speaker 2: if you really want to win championships on a regular basis,
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  Speaker 2: learn how to bring them both together. Because I want
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  Speaker 2: if I ever got to do this again, I want
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  Speaker 2: the best analytical staff money can buy, totally but information absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: But then I want the best tobacco spitting honest telling
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  Speaker 2: experienced guys that hissed you off, and they tell you
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  Speaker 2: the truth. Guys.
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  Speaker 3: You told me that when I called you and I
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  Speaker 3: got the managerial job, and we talked for like an hour,
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  Speaker 3: and you told me, don't take for granted and forget
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  Speaker 3: your experience, because that's going to guide you. And that's
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: really gonna like truy. You know, everybody says, you know,
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: we don't want to listen to our gut, but your
• 11:46
  Speaker 3: gut is your experience talking to you and the things
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: that you've been through and the dog out as a player, Like,
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: don't forget those as a manager because they they carry
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  Speaker 3: a ton of weight and a ton of value.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to make a recommendation right now. I've read
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  Speaker 2: a book recently. I'm reading it right now. It's called
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: You Already Know the Ladies professor from Northeastern University, Laura Loong.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: I found somebody sent me like a little excerpt of
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  Speaker 2: her work, so I got in touch with her. I
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: called her on the phone. Brilliant. This lady is a
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  Speaker 2: young lady. She teaches at Northeastern and the whole book
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  Speaker 2: is about experience, intuition, gout, feeling. Wow. Yeah, but she
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: really it's academic academia, but she explains it in such
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful way. It's that it's very identifiable. And that's
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  Speaker 2: the part part of the world today that I think
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  Speaker 2: we're getting away from, Like AI is going to take
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  Speaker 2: even further away from that, You're going to realize more.
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  Speaker 2: Why do we want machines to tell us how to
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  Speaker 2: live in, what to be, and how to do things.
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  Speaker 2: Why even in a sport, why do you want to
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  Speaker 2: rely on a machine, data, information, math, whatever you want
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  Speaker 2: to call it. Why why is it so important to
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  Speaker 2: do that? And why do you think I would say,
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  Speaker 2: give me my give you the best coaching staff that
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  Speaker 2: I could put together, and I'll battle your AI all
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  Speaker 2: day long. And I mean there's no staff exactly, there's
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  Speaker 2: no there's no definitives. And why you think just because
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  Speaker 2: this data and information, this AI stuff. I'm here to
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  Speaker 2: tell you if I get like the right group of
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  Speaker 2: coaches together and I still want to utilize that, I
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  Speaker 2: still want my information and you can utilize go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and buy some good coaches yourself, But just give me
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  Speaker 2: that opportunity. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna bust your balls, right,
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  Speaker 2: down to the very end under those circumstances, and that's
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  Speaker 2: what's missing, and it's the human element. God, Dan is
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  Speaker 2: the human You're just talking about the culture and everything
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  Speaker 2: else we had. You're not going to get that from
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  Speaker 2: a from a computer. Now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what we I wanted to get
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  Speaker 3: into because we feel like our coaches on that twenty
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  Speaker 3: sixteen team were game changers, like can you walk through?
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  Speaker 3: Just like the guys Bussy, Borsy Hider Jones and oz Bo,
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  Speaker 3: Davey Martinez, I mean like and.
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  Speaker 2: Ski and Ski.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, guys that were in the trenches every day. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like you were so good, Joe at distracting the media,
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  Speaker 1: distracting the players from the media that I think guys
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: don't need to understand to where the manager has to
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: do so many obligations and then Davy would just come
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  Speaker 1: in and that I had a phrase, prisoners run the asylum, right,
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  Speaker 1: they let you guys, let us run the asylum. Of
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: course with structure everything, so often the wardens had to
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: step in and get us in line. But if there
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: was fires that be put out, either come and talk
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  Speaker 1: to you or the easiest manager I've ever was able
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  Speaker 1: to talk about or David would come and be, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is why we're doing this, or now we're not
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  Speaker 1: doing that, and.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Like that was it? You love the Uncle? Sam posted right,
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's one of the paintings we did. And
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: you know the main theme of that is the more
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  Speaker 2: freedom given, the greater respect and discipline return totally. If
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  Speaker 2: you're as a professional. I'm not going to do that
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  Speaker 2: with fifth graders. Okay, I'm not gonna let a bunch
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: of fifth graders run the asylum. But if you're a professional,
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  Speaker 2: you know, twenty plus year old, old enough to drink,
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  Speaker 2: old enough to vote, old enough to die in a war, right,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you everything how to act
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  Speaker 2: on a daily basis. No, the more freedom I give you,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: the greater respect and to get coming back towards me,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: and more freedom I give you, the more you can
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  Speaker 2: actually listen to me totally, at least at least way,
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  Speaker 2: at least way what I have to say, sure, right,
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  Speaker 2: because I never I never. I could almost use the
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  Speaker 2: word never created like an edict. You got to do this,
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  Speaker 2: We got to do that. The closest I came to that.
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  Speaker 2: You don't remember this in twenty fifteen and we did
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  Speaker 2: cut off some relays. I hated it and I stopped everything.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: I remember Starlin Castro, I remember all the dudes. I
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: remember a hobby just going through the motions. We started
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: doing relay catches. That's right. You realize we didn't screw
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: up a freak.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Cat because we can't take it too serious.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: No know how to do the fun of that exactly.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: You had three rules in twenty fifteen, do simple better
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: dress right, respect ninety and our dress code.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: If you think you that's right you.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Said you said in that speech is spring trains, like
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: whoever made some putting a collar on a shirt?
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: That's the right, one is right?
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: And that that alone, to a young group that's still
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: learned how to win in fifteen, was like, this is amazing.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Don't you got pissed off? But we didn't play hard right,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: you got seldomly did guys know you got pissed off?
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: But as we got to know you a little, we
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: could tell ye and if there was mental errors, hate
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: mental air, and that's what we knew. So it's like,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: don't don't fuck up, don't be that person, and we
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: can literally.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Do whatever you wanted to.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: And it was and the spring training.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: You Sandon brothers.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: It was a bandon brothers, and you gave us that freedom.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: And I think that's how a team. A team needs
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: to be led.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: By the players. Right.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, But you would say in your speech and spring training,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: you would say, you guys all know wrong from right.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: She was right, it's correct, she was right, it's not
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: it's not hard.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I've been using that since like nineteen whatever, when I
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: managed the Idaho Falls Angels and the Salem Angels in
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one eighty twenty three. That would be part
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: of what I talked to these guys about. You know
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: what's right and wrong. I don't have to stand up
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: here and tell you with right and why. You grew
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: up in the family. But father, the mother, you had teachers,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: you had coaches. You know what's right and wrong. But
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: like write it down on a piece of paper. Choose right.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Just choose right every time we're not that's right. We're
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: not gonna have any issues because I'm not going to
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: stand here and just lord over you and be your father.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not your dad. I'm your manager, and I'm here
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: to make sure this runs properly. And for me, it's
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: about on the field. I want it. I wanted a uniformity.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I want a consistency. That's that's where I wanted to. Uh,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: this could I don't want to use a word conformity,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: but again, unity is probably the right way to put it.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Off the field, I wanted to do dress off if
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: you want it, or your hair out you want it.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I don't care how many earrings you were. I didn't
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: care about any of that. This isn't doesn't matter. But
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: when you got on the field, at that point, if
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I gave you enough freedom to be yourself, you're going
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: to give me that respect back to play the game properly.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: That's what I was thought.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: I remember you getting flak. We picked a guy off
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: first in the Washington d C game, so outside of
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: the game, so now it was the first anyways, we
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: pick him off, and you were like, did you The
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: media was like did you call that play? You let
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: them do that? You're like, of course, we let them
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: do it. Like they see an opportunity, take advantage of it.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: And I think that freedom, like you said, you handled
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: all of me and stuff. I never felt like there
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: was this curse, this thing hanging over because we were
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: our only new unit inside the clubhouse, and you let
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: us kind of have that freedom within that structure, and
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: I thought that's what brought out the best and and
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: all of us made myself included was that the last
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: the game, last out of the game, Yeah, pick him off.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Then we had that back paper. They're like, what if
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: he does the right field, was like, well what if
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: he doesn't?
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: You know what if you could fly?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: The point was if it's the right baseball plate to do,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: then do it totally. And if it doesn't work out,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: well I'm okay with that, but it was the right
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: thing to do in the moment. And when you have
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: to worry about making a mistake, then you'll never do
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: the right thing because you're going to be Hobby right.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, you literally I don't think Hobby knows this. I'm
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: sure he does. But how you handled Hobby and just
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: let Hobby be Hobby. He turned into the magician, He
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: turned into the wild man on the basis, and he
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: played into that. And that's why I believe he blossomed
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: because you see guys all the time in that type
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: of talent, well maybe not his talent, but come up
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and just don't have the right mentors.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: A baseball genius he is. I mean, he just sees
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: things that other people don't see, and then he's able
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: to react upon what he's seeing. Also, see if you
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: if you see something and there's any I mean any
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: kind of hesitation, then that moment's gone. So that's that's
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: purely reacted to a moment. And he's able to do that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: But he has to be able to he has to
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: know that if he does it and it doesn't turn out, well,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: he's not going to the princes. I mean, if he knows,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: he's going to know the principal's office every time he
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: could have tried this stuff about the place between third
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: and home, the running place where he's safe. Yeah right,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I mean stuff.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Like what what just happened?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Did you talk to him? Did you do you remember
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: conversations talking to him or now?
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well most of the time when I did
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: talk Hi, when he was getting out of control at
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: the plate, That's when I would talk to him. I said, Hobby, right,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: center counts. You know, that side of the field matters
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: accounts also, So I think primarily i'd be that my
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: conversations would be more when I thought he was getting
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: a little out of control offensively but on defense. Yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: what am I gonna tell me? There's nothing I could
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: help him with. I mean, that's another thing to know
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: as a coach, as a manager, even as a hitting coach.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: And young Jim Edmonds, I'm up in Vancouver with him.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I'm the rowing minor league hitting instructor, and James is
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: just like tearing it up like he could right, And
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I'm just going and I just I stand on the side.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I just watch him, and I'm watching he just tearing
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: it up. So I'm there for a couple of days
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, why come you're not talking
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: to me? Says I can't help you. I can only
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: serve the confusure right now, so please remit me to
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: just watch. I'm taking my notes. When I come back
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: in a town of things are right, I'll say something
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: to you, But for right now, I cannot help. It
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: can only hurt you. I feel them exactly.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: That I want to sidetrack because this is like so
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: important to us. A little bit that has to do
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: with culture. But knowing your players and having all the
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: background you did the five levels of a big league Yeah, oh,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: like that's the.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Compassion, the compassion you had for your players knowing kind
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: of where they were at and their journey was unmatched.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: And I think that's different when you're actually a player
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: in the middle of it. And then as a veteran
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I looked back, I was like, that's exactly right, Like.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Can you relist those real quick? Yea, let me tell
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you exactly how it happened. Ninety five, six six, I
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: was the first base, first base coach. Yeah, with the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Angels and Marcel lash wonderful. Wonderful might have been ninety five,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: but anyway, ninety first latch if things didn't work out well,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: always took the hit. He always thought it was his fault,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: and of course it wasn't. Marshall is one of the best,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: if not the best, pitchy coach I've ever been around.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Lose a tough game in Nanaham Stadium, and I always
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I would sit with him until he left because he
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: would just beat himself up. So We're sitting there and
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just observing. I don't know, I don't know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not I've never played in the big leagues. I
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: don't know. So I'm sitting there that night and I'm
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: taking it all in. I go back to my uncle Ricksaus.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I'm living with Uncle Rick up in Long Beach and
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I get there and all of a sudden had this
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: epiphany and I again piece of paper by my bed,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: wrote it down, what am I seeing here? What am
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I seeing? So I don't know why I went five
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: levels level one happy to be here, because I was
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: writing and I was right there. I was only called
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: up a year year before. It must have been ninety
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: five happy to be here as level one, right, and
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: we all, like you said, I lost a brand new
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: leather bomber jacket at the Hurtz counter on my trip
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: from Vancouver to an On for my first trip to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the big leagues, because I was so excited, just happy
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: to be there. And then once you get there.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I got to the Big Leagues with the Dodgers and
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: didn't play, and like about the seventh day and I'm like,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: something been triple A. I was so to be Alex
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Corer actually told me, I said, he goes, how are
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: you doing? Russ's like, just happy to be here. He's
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: never say that I want to go back and play exactly.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: So then you once you've arrived at we realize all that.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Then you get to the next point, Man, I really
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: like this. I want to stay here. This is really
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: good survival, and survival is very dangerous because when you're
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: when you're like happy to be here, you can help
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: the team. You're out there playing, you're pre wheeling it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: You have your blinders on, you don't even see the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: third deck yet, the lights, whatever, you don't read the papers,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you don't care, so you're able to be productive and helpful.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: But the moment the blinders come off, you start to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: see everything, and man, I really dig on this stuff.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I want to stare. Then you become very cautious and
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: you don't want to make mistakes. You don't want anybody
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: yelling at you or whatever. I'm not playing you because
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: of that. So it works from happy to be here
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: to like, damn, stage two survival. I like this, I
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: want to stay here, dangerous, dangerous spot and guys in
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: that level really of course they can help you win,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: but their their motivation isn't right. Their motivation is to.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Not to not yeah, almost selfish exactly.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And then here comes level three and this is what
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: you want to get to. And I remember, you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: for me specifically, even as a coach, I be longer
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I can do this. You know. That's a that's a
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: really strong epiphany, that moment when you look around at
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: your peers and you feel like you're as good as
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: everybody else here, everybody else out here, and you can
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: do this on a daily basis. I can contribute. I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: know what to say in a meeting. I know how
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: to break this down because it's the same game, but
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: it's completely different minor leagues to bigleies. If we all
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: know that. So that's it. Level three, I be longer,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I can do this. Wow, that's when you actually exhale,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I think for the first time. Level four, I want
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: to make as much money as I thought you can,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: right exactly. But it's true because it's it's a limit.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: You don't do it for forty years. It's not like
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: you're a doctor or lawyer whatever, you could do this
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: for many you're you have a definite, finite time limit
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: regarding doing that.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: So and that's a whole other pressure, right. I want
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: to have a good year because four.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Years there's a lot going on there. Man. So you
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: get to level four, I want to make as much
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: though as I can. And here comes level five. After
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: you've made some money, all you want to do is win.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: And it's true. I mean, you go to the ballpark
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and there's there's no weather agenda. You don't even think
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: about anything else but winning. That's it. I mean you you,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the blinders are on. You see this. Your your focus
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: is outstanding. You're not worried about all kinds of bullshit
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: or crap. You don't worry about it. You're just worried
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: about doing my job and then maybe helping somebody else
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: around me. And tonight's objective is to win, and how
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: do we do that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: We had a lot of those guys better and guys absolutely,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I think money.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I think what was great too, is because the mix
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of veterans and young players help that it was so
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: easy to be level one through three, Yeah, but also
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: be level five because there was no one there that
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: wasn't expecting to win every night. And that was the
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: way your solid managing. You played pretty much win win
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: every night. Very rarely we laid it down, no, right,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: that's right. Very rarely we punted, and when we did punt,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: it was okay.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was okay.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: When we went through a skid, like I remember Hinsky
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: saying all the time, I'll tell you one guy who
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: does not panic, and he would point at you all
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the time. Your manager does not. I mean, I'm sure
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you had your own emotions, but there's teams you're on,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and like you see all the structure starting to crumble
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit, that the coaching staff's starting to be
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: pointing fingers a little bit, And was that never.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I was so grateful it took me so long to
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: become a major league manager, you know, because I observed that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I regret that I don't experience that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's the honesty, got truth. I mean,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I I saw from so many different angles. Being a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: minor league roving instructor was very helpful too. Just going
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: from town to town every five six days, you go
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: to a different city, see a different manager. You'rs see
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: a different manager theirs on the other side, And I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: was always observing what was going on with these managers
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and how they handle situations. So that's part of it. Also,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: So by the time I get to the major leagues,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I knew, like I said, I know what I know.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I knew, I knew I could get you. I would
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: give you examples if you pointed out different situations. I'd
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: give you example, I would call recall situations where that's
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: where I learned this from, and that's why I was
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: able to process it the way I did. That's the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: experienced component of it that I that I were just
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: talking about it, the control versus experience, the empowerment versus control.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, I learned all that stuff. So when we
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: got the different situations, I swear to you, I don't
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: even know. I this is not like a bragging kind
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: of a comment. I don't know what it was with
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you guys. If anything popped that I really had not
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: been through before.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: When you put when you put Travis Wooden.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Like, well you remember that that was the night that
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the lefty pitch matisya madis?
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's the We've already discussed that game. Remember
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: remember CEO came in and pissed off the whole coaching staff.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Lesser told that story.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: It was hairy. I remember we spoke about it, but
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I remember the yeah, it was very came in, he
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: was waiting on everybody, My bad and then the squeeze bomb.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Squeeze, But I was sick, fearless. Well, the thing was
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I give Deal a lot of credit because Deal went
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: on the walk during the game. He was so upset
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: with himself because the way the first was they scored
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: six runs in the first first two and three. We
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: need to to to you know, that's the kind of
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: stuff that bonds, that brings things down, there no doubt
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: about it. So you take chances when you're gonna lose,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: or if you're losing, the sky is the limit, you
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: just throw everything out there. You could be way more
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: liberal under those moments, you're way more conservative. When it's tighter,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: you just are. It's just it's the way the game's played.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: So when you're losing or in the process of losing,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: you do anything you can to possibly win. And that's
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: that was the wooty thing. And then we did it
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: with strophe and left field in Cincinnati one time or two.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: That's what we The Joe West and the umpire are
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: really getting upset with me because I was like testing
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the rules a little bit stuff playing that was talked
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: about and I talked about, but we he and I
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: talked about that. That was like really good. That was
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: your idea originally that was his idea.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Well, it permitted us to do the back picks with
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Hobby and all kind of stuff.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: So when you when you when you prep against the Cubs,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: like there's so much to talk about, no doubt, so
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: much to talk about.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I want to I want to, like we talk culture
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: all day. One more thing I want to hit on.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: How did you you said you've learned this. How did
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: you get the celebration after wins? That was a big
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: part of Pioneer. That was a big part of us.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Try to shots after we sweep, sometimes shots before the game.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Whatever it took. Man, I'm trying to think of, like
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the first time the celebration, I was at the Rays,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: and I can't remember the genesis of it, but I
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: do remember the genesis of the disco ball. I told
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Wesley he was the clubhousk. I said, Westy, we need
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: some disco balls in here. So like the game would
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: be over, we'd walk away win and all of a sudden,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: you like at nightclub, it was like the warm up
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: lounge and hazels, and that's what I wanted to look like.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: So we walked in there and all this stuff's going on.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: We had Chris Rock one night at the head of
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the line. We won. We won he's yelling as we
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: walk in the locker room with the disco balls going.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: So that was the first thing, and then it just
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: worked from there. It morphed into us Saint Paul girls signed,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: It morphed into instruments Lonely brought in like a saxophone
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: that he was horrible at playing, but it was great,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: and it just kept evolving Angel James. Yeah, and then
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: we turned ours into yeah. Then we took it to
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: another Well, we had an actual celebration. Yeah, we had
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: walked up. But it never got it never got No,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: it doesn't get old. Celebrating achievement never gets old. That's right.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: When that's and the best part about that is lose
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: for thirty minutes, right because there's so many games, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: it was like after thirty minutes, even if it was
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: a tough off, all right, that's it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: On to the next one. That was that was the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: problem when I had with the Angels, when I in
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the late in the middle to late nineties. Remember we
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: lost a huge lead to the Mariners in ninety six.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: We were up by thirteen or fourteen games. I was
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: like I was on August, like August six or what August,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: You're born on August eighth or ninth. Okay, how about
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I knew that's all right, that's crazy. So we have
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: like a thirteen or fourteen game lead in the beginning
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: of August and we lose it. We have a one
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: game playoff with the Mariners at the end of the season.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: We lost Ranny Johnson versus Langston in the Kingdom. I
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: was the first base coach anyway that team and teams
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: after that, I felt would take a loss and turning
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: into tomorrow's loss. Also, just by the way they reacted,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I'm watching guys come in the next day. They're sullen.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: They can't even talk to each other. You know. Dave Hollins,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I love Dave Hollins, and David would be like you
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: never did. He did not like to lose, brother, but
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I would like, I would like, always funny man, God
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: did he make me laugh. But you you come in
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: the next day and that we're still we just lost.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: It felt like we just lost, and I hated that.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I knew that was why we're going to lose today
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and possibly again tomorrow. Two we finally shake it get
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: back to being normal. So that that made me think
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: That that's simply the celebration one helped you in that day, right, right,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: and then saying with about thirty minutes, like fine soft
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: for thirty minutes whatever on man, moving on, Yeah, people
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: can come in whatever.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: It's just so easy to go through the motions win
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: or lose, like all right, well, not the treatment, I
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: have to do this now, right Exactly, It's like, hold on,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: let's let's celebrate the guys of the player of the game,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: that's right, or bring guys in and make everyone feel
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: a part of it. If if a reliever got big outs, right,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: those guys are on islands for their pictures.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: So it was it was incredible, but losing hard for
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: thirties also more because somebody may have had like some
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: guys have a good game too, you know, and then
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: but we've lost, so they expected to control all of that. Also,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: there's there's respect built into both sides of that, whether
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: to celebrate because some guys when you win, had a
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: horrible day, but they stileft the rebel in the win.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's all me.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Veteran team.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I would be bad or not play well,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I had to be so and it helped me get
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: over and not playing well because he's like winning cures everything.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I stunk and we won. It was like, all right,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: and that's that's awesome. Not everybody's like that.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, but you gotta learn that skill
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: set from around good veterans leadership. It's like, no, no, no,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: we won. I know you had a bad day, made
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: three errors and went over, but like back to tomorrow
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: because that's the one. I think that the short term
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: memory is so important in baseball in particular because it
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: is everything.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: There's no coincidence.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I was coming back down three to one.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: No, no, that was all literally two years of life
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: lessons that we're all learning from veterans to young guys.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: It was just yeah. And when we were talking about trust,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I thought of I came into your office one day
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and I was like, this is the type of manager
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: that you were to me. They were like a second
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: dad as my manager. And it was I was like, man,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: last night, I think we went to the Aviary and
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Chicago and they make these like crazy drinks and we
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: drink a bunch of wine. Emily and I, I oh
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: got after your last night.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Oh nice?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: You asked me what I was drinking? How I was feeling.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I just hit the middle
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: one today and it was like I walk out of there.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I feel so good.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I just told my manager I got absolutely annihilated last night,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and he supported me, and I probably went out.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: And had a great game. Sometimes it's necessary, brothers, that
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: it's necessary. That's that's we play every day. We play
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: every day, and for those that have never played every
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: day have no idea what that feels like. And I'm
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: not just talking about physically. The mental part of this
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: game is the devastating part of this game. When you
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: can control your your thoughts and your actions mentally, that's
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: the difference between a superstarist and all that being a
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: big leaguer being a four A guy, guy that really
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: can never get over the hump from triple A to
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: that four eight. We call it four A because it's
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the tweener guy between being a minor leaguer and a
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: major leaguer. But you can't get over that. It's not
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: because your skills aren't good. Your brain just can't deal
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: with it, man. And when you can deal with it,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: when you learn how to like throw it away. I said,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: tell guys, sometimes you see that big lake out there,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: like I called you know, I called it a notionan
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: on the right home tonight. Take all those thoughts, put
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: wrap it on a big old rock and throw it
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: in that lake, and then come back tomorrow, because you
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: don't need those thoughts. Yeah.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I always said when I played, if I was able
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to mentally shut off for one hour, it was equivalent
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to two weeks reset. So like I'd go out on
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Lake Michigan, or hang out with some friends, or go
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: out in Chicago or on the road.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Tso meet you and Happer at test. Yeah, I was
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: so hungover in the flight home when I was a
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: special assistant and I get I checked the box score
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: when we land him and half had the only RBI.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's one.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, how on that Hecker they even seeing?
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: That's funny.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember training morning, just spring training one year.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: We go to Vegas every year.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: You caught me in the office and I lined it
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: up perfect. I was going to play the first game.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: You were giving me off the second. I was like,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: let's set the whole night up right. Joe Cousman's office
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: may be a day or two before he goes Hey,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: you know Vegas, you know, puts on a big show.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: They need you to play the second game. It's like, oh,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: and I told him I had this whole night. I'm like, oh,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: He's like, don't worry about it. He's like, you're gonna
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: come in to have a great night. There's gonna be
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: three balls, try to hit the center one. And I
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: brought the idea up. I think of the Bloody Mary
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: station and the Mimosa bar. Okay, okay, And the next
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: morning we are in Vegas. We had a Bloody Mary
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: barfore the game, themsation and it was like we were
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: there to work and also have fun, and you if
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you don't do both, it's.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: You're gonna implode at some point. That's the point. It's
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: all about balance. The whole world's about balance. Your life's
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: about balance. You got a new baby right now. You
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: know exactly what that feels like. Once you have a
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: child of your own, you understand what the word sacrifice
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: really means. And until you have that baby, you'll never
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: really know what the word sacrifice truly means. Everything's exposed
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: to you as you go through life and in baseball
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: right now, and I'm just gonna pound on it for
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: a second, because right now the things we're talking about
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: are not really embraced anymore. They're not really considered important anymore.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: And to me, they're the most important part of it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: All the other stuff that you want to teach me,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: that's great, and I want I want, like I said,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the best coaches want, the best staff, whatever. But I
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: also want a pressure release valve. There's enough pressure being
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: applied to athletes. I was watching the the NBA game
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: last night. What does the Spurs and the Knicks all
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: of a sudden you're playing a championship game in the
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: first month of the season. Pretty much, My god, that's
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: kind of like the WBC Classic I guess right, you know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: a couple years ago when Tawny pitched that. But anyway,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I believe in the pressure release valve, and I don't
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know that enough people understand that. Everybody that
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: everybody that's really never done what you guys have done.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: So much respect for which you guys have done. And
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: that's where my my perspective comes from. I never did it.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I was I was good maybe once two three times
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: a week at the most as a baseball player, and
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: so the guy that could play every day, I think,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the hell, how can he how can he maintain is
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: his focus, his sanity, and not only that, your physical
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: repetition of your skill. No, that's that's that's big because
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: you know to be able to do everybody takes it
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: for granted. But whether it's a good batting stroke, whether
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: it's a good throwing stroke, your good fielding stroke, whatever
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: it might be, to do that every day, it is
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: just than one percent of the population whatever. It's so
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: special you, and that's so different.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: He was a switch I was a switch guy. When
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: he was playing, his switch was always on. Okay, so
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: he'd come in, he's playing whatever, fifth day, playing day,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: of course, I tell.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: You, And I was up Lesser's ass because I'm like,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: if you sucking, don't get to hit, I only get
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: three at bats.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Four and then then then who hears about him? Right?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: He had. I had a great argument one night of
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: one day of my lock in my office about something
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I said, I pitched it for you or something like
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: that in Pittsburgh. Yeah, you came. He got really pissed off.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: We had a great conversation. I can't remember exactly how
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: it went.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: But you were always open. Well, I think it was like, uh,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: it was in fifteen, and I think I get pinch
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: it for and from like little.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: He was angry elf when he yeah, I was just like.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just one of those things you always
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: hated getting pinch it for. But I didn't think the
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: guy pinch hit for me was better than me.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: You know. It was one of those.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: So it was al Contra or something like.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: It could have been yeah, the little yeah switch do
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: it to pop? Yeah, he's never had the big league pop.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: We tried to Pat. That's when it said, it me.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Off if you would get mad at me because I
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: would be off and I would keep my switch off
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Rossie.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: You know, I could flip the switch at anytime, and
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: he's like, my switch always needs.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: To be on.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: What I managed. I came in and ripped the team
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: one day, just had an explosion, which there wasn't many
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: of those. But he afterwards he came to my off
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: and he goes I was almost I had to hold
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: myself back from laughing almost video. I was like, uh,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: you know, but I want to get into fifteen and
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: talk a little bit about we have our our ideas,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: but when did you think we were good in fifteen
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: when you're like, oh, these guys figured it out. Was
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: there a moment or what? What was we feel like
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: it was San Francisco, Remember I sleep in San Francisco
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: a game sweep?
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, is that August? That was like August? Yeah, yeah,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: And that was also Addison at short stop and started
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: second base. KB had just oh was first question?
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I got to hit this a good one. Did
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: you how hard did you fight for KB KB to
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: break camp with us in fifteen or did you at all?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I didn't Did you have to say there was no
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: there was nothing I could do because it was it's
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: all about the rules. I mean, they could do that
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: as much as they want, but it's all about the rules.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Then you could do about that. Not a thing it
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: was going. It happened with Longloria here when it was
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: with the rings. Longo went down for a couple of weeks,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: then came up and tore it up. Yeah. KB was down,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: came up and tow it up.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: It's not just nobody.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nobody's fault. It's just the rules of the game.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: That's all that was.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: So there's nothing like division by what two games?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: It's like yeah, but there's there's nothing to as a manager.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: There's nothing I could have done as as okay as
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: a Gene mock manager. That would have never happened. As
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: a ear weaver, that would have never happened. I don't
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: even know if the rules. Oh my god, everybody, I
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: mean everybody was afraid to come into your clubhouse. The GM,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the assistant GM, anybody else that worked upstairs was afraid
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: to come in a big league club house. It was
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: that daunting. I love that, I'm not That is not
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: an exaggeration, That's exactly the true.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: If the players take over the right way.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I think the good gms are the ones that are
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: in there every day, but in a positive way, right
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: like given, given, given better, better feedback. Yeah, and when
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: did you feel like we were good?
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: The famous Miggy Montero, we are, we are good.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: When did I feel we were good? I was like,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: honestly the San Francisco Series, because I remember driving to
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: the ballpark. We were good before that, I can't remember.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I can't give you specifically. Could we were building?
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: But we we never We couldn't win a bunch of
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: a row, but we didn't lose a bunch of row.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: We just kind of. I thought that San Francis School
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Series was the seminal moment because it was the Giants,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: and I remember driving my pickup truck down Clark on
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: the way to the ballpark, and I'm getting myself jacked
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: up because I thought this is big. I mean, I
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: never apply more weight to anything, but I thought, this
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: one's kind of big to handle the Giants right now
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: could really send us on the trajectory we're looking for.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: And it did. So we're going there and we win
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: the first street and then the last game they had
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: the bases loaded and nobody out. We're up three to
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: two and run. Don't get s out of it, but
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: don't gets out of it somehow? Is that right? Right?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: But I thought that was a seminal moment in the
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: year where we after that we knew we were good.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: We did. It's not about when I did. It's like
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: when the guys know you're good. Everybody's contributing. Everybody, but
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: our defense got tight. Our defense, I mean with Addison
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: and Starling over there, everything changed defensively, which really was
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: big at that point. Yeah, I think for me, if
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I had a because I I'm answering the question based
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: on the fact I remember driving on clark Y Yeah,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's pretty.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Well, Grandmam. I remember I was sweeping them and they
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: had two championships on that. But that was the other
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: part of the chance, right like, and they said, all
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: those guys Buster and yeah, all the boys Letscam and Bumgardner.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: I mean they were loading.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, solute. Yeah.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, you had to move a superstar shortstop
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: from shortstop to second base, and he did it with
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: he was a great Starlin Casho was so he was
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: such a good leader, especially a Latin leader, which it
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: was like amazing for me. He was one of my
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: biggest mentors when I was young. But for it to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: be able to do that and move him off shortstop
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to second and him you feel good about it, was
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: like I have so much history in itself.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I remember we're talking right now. I'm sitting in that
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: little manager's office and Starling sitting right over there right
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: and I'm explaining things to him. You know, I'm sure,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he hated it, right, but he never he
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: never was disrespectful. He listened all the way through. And
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: this is really the best part about that for me,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: as a manager, because I think that's the way it
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: should be. It was just me. It wasn't like a
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: front office dude with me or anything like that. It
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: wasn't like I would I wasn't being supported or the
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: conversation didn't include other voices. Was just me and him,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: as it should be. The only time you bring somebody
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: else in, you think there's going to be a fight
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: and the guy, and the guy's pretty big. But anyway,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: he sat there and he took it, and I told
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: he wasn't going to play for a couple of days.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I told him that because we wanted to get him
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: used to second base and never cried or complained. You
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: remember how well he played after that?
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, even Alfonso because Soriano was such a good
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: leader and he sorry would have like I think sorry.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: One year played with the assistant is the entire YEA.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: He wanted to play every day. Stalin taught me every
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: day thirteen I hit like two thirty. Hey, keep your
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: head up, we play every day. You play every said
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: that too, I don't care if we play every day well,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: And I learned as a young player that's how it's valuable,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that's how you earned horse upmost amount of respectful.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: When you're talking about that some of some advice I've
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: passed along that I use. It's like when I was managing,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I tell the guys the truth
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: because if I lie to them, you know, like give
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: them that line, you know.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not only in baseball, but anything else.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: If I if I tell you the truth, you might
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: not like me for a week or ten days, but
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: if I lie to you, you can hate me forever.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: And that's such a truth. And going back on players experience,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: and especially when I was coming up, it was a
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: little bit more. They would sugarcoat some things or not
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: to eat right, and all you wanted to do as
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: a man is like just tell me where I stand
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: right then it's on me. And you did a good
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: job of that. But that phrase I've used so much
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: just because it's like I again, you try to have
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: compassion with it, but I'm going to hit you with
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: the truth knowing I'm on your side. I'm on your side,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: but I'm gonna just be completely honest and transparent because
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: I think that's the best way for you to be
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: able to deal with it and us.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: To move forward. Everybody moves forward after this, right, exactly right.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Otherwise there's always this consternation, interpretation, what does you really mean?
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: All the stuff questioning you're ready gets it gets dragged out.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: This is the sharp knife compared to the doll knife.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Always use the sharp knife. Always when it comes to
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: a tough decision, use the sharp knife, because then it
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: has a chance to heal more quickly. The dull knife,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: you get a bad edge, it just gets uh, it
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: doesn't scar properly whatever, and eventually turns into like a
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: scar tissue that really never goes away. Use the sharp knife.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: When you use the sharp knife, like you just said,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: everything moves forward rather quickly after that.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Another pioneer thing was you would send the lineup out
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: the night before. Oh yeah, and that was I never
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: heard of that.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I did that. I don't know if you did.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Now it's hated now it's almost a customers standard practice
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: because if for me, thankfully I played every single day,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: but I never worried about that in everything, but being
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: a leader on the team and say Halp wasn't playing
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: or short wasn't playing. You got to talk to them
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: off the ledge. And if you get to the field
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and there they see that day that they're in the
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: line they're not, and then they're pissed off all day
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: over one sixty two. It just takes a little chink
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: of the armor. Yeah, you know, and you need all
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: guys pulling the same road.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Now. I'll tell you how I learned that. Darren urstat
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: do you guys know, Yeah, don't mess with I never
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: play with him. I love that man.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: He reminds me a lot like he's like utly, like
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: he's gonna, yeah, he's gonna, he's gonna do whatever it
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: takes to win.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Correct. So with social as a manager, and we didn't
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: do that. We didn't put the lineup out the night before.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: So uh, going the next day and I'm in charge,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I'm the bench coach doing all the paperwork and stuff.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I gotta go tell Arsty's not in the lineup. Oh
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: my god, he says, what do you tell me last night?
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Because if you don't tell somebody the night before they're
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: not in the lineup and every day guy, then you
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: really don't have a day off. There's no night off,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: right because because you go through your whole routine and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: you get up at the same time, you eat whatever,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: you want to eat, you come to the ballpark the
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: same time, so you don't. You really don't get a
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: day up unless somebody knows they have a day off.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: A regular player the night before. The utility guy not
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: necessarily as much, but a regular guy really needs to
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: know the night before for him to truly have a
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: day off. So Erstye taught me that. So I used
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: to do that even before that, though I did that
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: in instructional leagues. When I did instructional leagues, I used
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: to put a week's worth of lineups up in advance,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: so everybody knew when they were playing. And instructionally, you
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: play a different day service. You're not just an everyday guy.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: But I wanted guys to requisition their work in a
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: way that you could maximize their work and they knew
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: what they had to do on a daily basis.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I believe.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: But when I got to as an inter manager, I
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: was that. A couple of times with Agels, I would
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I would have the lineups as they were walking out
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: the after the night game whatever on the on the
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: door as they walked out and be the next day's lineup,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: And that's when I started doing it. So that was
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: in ninety six I was an interim manager and ninety
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: nine I was an intern manager. That's when. That's when
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: we did that there.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: So I remember this. It was so good and I'm
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: gonna plug Corona here. Stroke by strophe was grinded for us,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: or like in August or September and you told him
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: the night before you are not hitching tomorrow, and then
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: next day there was like a little blow up locker
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: with Corona or a little umbrella like a beach chair.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And I was dying because you you recognize that and
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: you're like, no, you you grind it for us, You're
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: you're down, You're do and enjoy it. And always for
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: me it was like when I was down, I knew
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I wasn't playing for the most part, or I was
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I turned off until like the biggest.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Wish, right it had to be like something dire that
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: we had to use it. But yeah, well, and.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Front office is now the one thing that I I
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: definitely saw as a player and try to use as
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: a manager, Like you give your everyday player off. It's
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: not an off day if you're expecting the pinch hit, because.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: The guys now if you can't if you turn on
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: when you're an everyday player, if your mind turns on,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: it's not an off day. Yeah, if so, when I
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: would like I would tell young guys. I told Anthony
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Volpi he he heard his shoulder and he had a
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: couple of days off. I'm like, dude, just watch the
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: game with no expectation. That's what be a fan of
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the game. Sit on the top step and like, enjoy
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: where you are and if you have to turn on
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: to get a pinch it, just do it. It's one
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: a bat like stay off because that's stress, that mental stress.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: The value of off.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Days or the value of the everyday player. I backed
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: up Brian mccannon Atlanta. I was like, my one goal
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: is not to get this guy up off the seat,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: you know, like that's how I get your person wanted
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: to win. I want to win today because I know
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: if we're winning, he doesn't pinch, hit for me or
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: of course for somebody and go in. But fast forward
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: to the end of fifteen a little bit. I think
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Wildcard Game is the most important game it comes.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I think that the most wild game of all.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Right, how about it?
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: You let you let Arieta go see g Right, the
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: nastiest picture on the planet by far, but that that
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: would be so taboo in today's.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Game, are you kidding me?
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Well, well, well, Mota just did it right with the dollars.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Yeh yeah, yeah, okay, but let me let me give
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: you the history on that one. You remember, we were
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: playing Minnesota in Minnesota and uh Jake pitches a nine inning,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: complete game shutout. I think it was a four hitter.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: It might have been a two four hit or whatever.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: But we won eight nothing. So I got a lot
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: of crap because they did not pull him out when
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: we started leading eight nothing in that game. We were
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: it was a closer game, I think seventh or eighth inning,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: we scored several runs and it eventually made it eight
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: nothing going into the ninth inning. I think he had
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: like that, right aroun one hundred and ten pitches easy
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: to pull him at that point. The thing that I
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: learned as a minor league coach, I thought, instructor, when
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: the dude walks off the mount with a complete game shutout,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: changes them, changes them. And I thought, and I thought,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: within within limits, let him go back out there. I
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: think he ended up with nine innings, twenty four shutout
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: and very limited number of hits.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Well, a both lot of confidence.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: That's it. I mean, you mine once another one and
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: mine once stretched. How's a difficult time going back to
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: its original form? So the once you stretch your mind
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: to nine innings and I like this, it's a drug.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I want to do this all the time. I got
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of craft from the front office, quite frankly
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: about that. I love that. Why did you Why did
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: you pull him after I gave him the exact reason
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now. I can remember calling Charlie
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: pitching a complete game and palm springs and whatever the
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: year that was. I'm the roving instructor, David holridch same thing.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Guys you've never heard about. But it definitely enhanced their
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: their minor league careers at that point. But so when
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: he gets to the playoff game in Pittsburgh, Jack's done
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: that before. Why do I want to go?
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: No doubt in his mind.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: He's tweeting, He's tweeting, I don't know if you saw
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: those like there because Pittsburgh was loud. I mean that
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: place when when Pad he made the air and there's
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: basis I couldn't even I couldn't hear myself breathe there.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I mean it was lit and they were they were nasty.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Pennsylvania all black.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: The whole stadium was black.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: And he's tweet before. It doesn't matter, it doesn't he
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: just goes out there. They try to hit him.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Tony Watson, Yeah, I remember that, yees little clear, right,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: that's right.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: That that too was another. That celebration after that was
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: like two hours.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I remember the war.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we beat the Cardinals, who were the gold standard.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: That was a big one.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: R We had to take it from that's that. You
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: have to take it. Take it from them, and we
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: did because we didn't beat our ass. That's right. At
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, the games we lost in
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Saint Louis, we didn't know how to win yet, that's right.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: That's because we were were winning. And then they came
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: back and it was like these motherfuckers exactly. And then
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I take the ball back, I said, I remember the coaches.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: He's always come over to the weight room. Uh, hey, Ras,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: what's up man?
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: How are you? The other Cardinal coaches, we started beating them.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: They never saw that, never that beautiful thing, that's right.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly right. That's but I remember the game in Pittsburgh.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: My god, but it was one of the more we
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: play some almost perfect games, like in sixteen against the Dodgers,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: when the clincher against the Dodgers Kyle Hendrick, that's like
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: almost a perfect game. That was like a perfect baseball game.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: But that game in Pittsburgh, that really did put us
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: in a different stratosphere. Ye absolutely, I.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Remember how loud it got. We made one air in
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: that basis load of membory that and so.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I was saying double and you were like, whoa, I
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: was seeing stars stars. I never that was my first
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: time in the playoffs, the first game, I'm like, what dozing?
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: So in twenty fifteen, we beat the Cardinals, we roll
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: into the Mets, I'm fully convinced that we're winning the
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: World Series. That's that's first time winning our chemistry. And
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: we run into the bus saw of that gauntlet of
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: a pitching staf We get swept, heartbreak, did everything we could.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: The magician, I think jack Hammer Magic was great, jack Hamer,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: but like we left that feeling like I was heartbroken.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: We come into sixteen and it was like we were
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: already the World Series.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Champions.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I felt that. I don't know if anyone else, I
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: feel like everyone that was the way. It was the
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: best camp I've ever had. All the skits that my
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: wife thank you, but.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: In the back of it, that's a whole other show
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: in the back of the band.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: But it was just everything was like so in flow.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Guys were doing their job. We knew what it took,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: we were determined, we were hungry, and we go into
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: that season. We get off to this insane start. Right
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: what the third game, fourth game, Shoreber goes down, yea
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: huge blow, like devastating because he was a dog and
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: he was one of our guys. And as early as
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Lackie's first start, the Diamondbacks put up what five or
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: six runs off of them in the first and we
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: just boat raced them exactly and it was like, we
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: can't be beat. It was insane that that start to
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: that season.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: But that's where that's where it embraced.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: The target came.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: I thought, like, you know you, you had to kind
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: of marinate over that all off season, and there's so
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: many things that came from that that I still that
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: are kind of in my soul as a as a
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: baseball guy. It's like, you know, having the target on
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: your back is a good thing, and you know, just
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: know we're not perfect, right, Like it's and process and
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: the things that built us as a championship team with
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: the hunger of getting so close and losing the year before,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: the process is fearless, constantly reduced, like the things that
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: you had on the Embrace the Target shirt in spring training.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Like all that's a culmination of the culture we talked
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: about earlier, going into a team that had a lot
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: of young guys but in a lot of expectations.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's kind of interesting, man, because that all happened.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: That started in the winter meetings after the twenty fifteen season.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Might have been in San Diego. I'm not sure the
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: winter meetings were at the time. However, you remember the
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: manager gaggle. Everybody gets in front of the manager and
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: they start firing questions. Now, we have not won anything
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: since nineteen oh eight, and all of a sudden, now
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: you're being picked to win the World Series? Right, how
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: does that happen? So I remember we're there and I'm
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: getting all this stuff fired at me, and I did
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: not ruminate. I didn't think about this at all. But
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I just said, we just need
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: to embrace the target. That's how it came out. I
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: was being pressed against the wall. Hey, we just got
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: to embrace the target. And then from that all this
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: other stuff flowed out of that. That's exactly what happened.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: But I do I've always had the mindset. I like
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: the word pressure a lot. I like the word expectations
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: a lot, not a little bit a lot, because whatever
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: you're doing, if you do not have pressure and expectations
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: apply to it, why do it? I mean, what am
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I doing here? Even if you play golf, you want
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: at least a quarter?
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: You know, you said that in spring training, you said, guys,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: the expectations are a good thing. Like, think about that.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: You've said that and are a little out there on.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Those stretch feet. YEA, yeah it is. It's a good thing.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: And I think too many times people run away from
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: those words and they see them as being a negative
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: or ominous, And I honestly believe it's completely the opportit
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: to think about it. And you just talked about the
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: most disappointing time you ever had was after the twenty
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: fifteen season, and that totally raised your level of expectation
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the next year, and you ran right toward that and
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: whole thing, that whole shirt that we that I built
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: up on that that took me some time. That was
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: done on my iPad, and I wanted, I don't know why,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: but I do things like that once in a while.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: How could I make the point started with like nine
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: equals eight here with the Rays in two thousand and eight,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: I did that, even like in nineteen eighty six or seven,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I had a shirt for the boys in minor league
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: and the minor league camp. Every day counts, So that's
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: where it begins.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: This one had together and then after that was nine
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: is one.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right. And that
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: was from that was from That line was from Kendrivisa.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Because I always showed all my stuff to Kenny. So
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Kenny I was living in Long Beach too, and Kenny
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: was right down the street. I would run all my
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: stuff by the dirt bags before I said Kenny was
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: set up a meeting. I'd go into the clubhouse of
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: locker room with the Long Beach State and I would
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: run my spring training stuff these guys just to practice
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: rep Yeah, a little prep. That's it. And then Kenny
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: would always Kenny didn't like the processes frills, he didn't
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: get it at first, argued about that, and I was
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: just trying to tell them the process, wax emotion. It's
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: great if you if you stick to the process, you
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: could you do anything because you just you just stay
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: with this, this, this and this, and I don't feel anxiety, emotion, eagerness.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: I don't feel any of that. I just I stick
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: with the process. So that was that was that part
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: of it. And then you know the parts of the
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: little ancillary things on the outside of it, you know,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: just keeping yourself together. There's something there about uh coach Walsh,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Walsh with these forty nine ers. Was in there a
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: guy by named Welch with ge uh change before you
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: have to. I think all these different things are involved
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: in that, all the things I thought, Yeah, you know,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I just tried to encompass it in this big circle
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: with a narrow through. That was that was the target.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: That was like that weird little aari But anyway, that
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: was me on an iPad trying to make sense because
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: how do I sell this to the team. That was
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: always my thing. All these different things I did in
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: spring training. With those meetings, I wanted to make it
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: interesting for you guys, and I wanted to get the
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: point cross it. Wanted something to hold your attention, and
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: even right down to the paintings that occurred later. And
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: also those paintings were for me, hopefully to attract young fans,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: like kids that really weren't at the base. Well that's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: kind of a cool painting. I mean, so all these
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: things had a purpose, and yeah, that was that was everything.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Everything had a purpose that I was doing. And there
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: was a lot of pressure on me in a good
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: way because I didn't want to disappoint I had I
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: had to try to outdo myself every year. That's why
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: I looked at that was my that was my edict
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: to myself do better than you did last year. That
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: was it, and that's what I tried to do.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: We certainly didn't disappoint, Thank you the greatest second to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Frank Chance.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: But Frank's got me two of them, two of them.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well we got two rings. We got to think
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: for average.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: That's why we do have to.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: We boat raced all year. We had a little blunt
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: before they all start, which was virtually nothing in the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: grand scheme of how I remember you saying, though, this
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: is what happens when you get off to such a
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: good start, you have room for error. And then we
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: kind of went on cruise control and then September, I
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: feel like the team ramped it back up and our
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: first our playoff journey was not easy. We have the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: even year of the Giants, which is a real was
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: a real thing, and thank god we came back in
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: game four because we did not want to see Cuato again.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: That's in game five, right, and a lot happened in
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: that series. Then we go and I'll see us where
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: we were talking about the move that you went and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: with you pinch it al Mora and then they brought
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: him Blant and then you pinch it Maggie knowing that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Niggy just got a courtizone shot, right?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Did you know that? I did not know that, thank god,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: would have mattered.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: I remember seeing that that. That to me was like
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: one of the like the chess played there. You know,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: there's things as a player every once in a while,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: I was like, wow, our manager's man.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Well, did you know who would we pinch it for?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Originally with do you yeah? Of course you do a
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: roll this chat. We brought Champion earlier in that game,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: and he was holding everything down and I moved them.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: I double switched to the point I double switched to
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: the point where I thought he had never come up.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: And then he came up, and the freaking bases are loaded.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna let Chappie hit right there. So
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: it took a shot. And then yes, you have to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: know in advance that if I send the right We
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: did the same thing against the Giants when when we
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: beat him in that fourth game. But anyway, you got
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: to know that if they do this, we're going to
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: do that now blind if you remember, it was also
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: kind of a reverse split guy. He had this that
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: cutter slider that came out on the left el and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: he gets to an O two count, and that might
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: be one of the loudest home runs that I mean,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: off the bat that I think I've ever heard.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: I remember, I looking back, I remember Maggie on so
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: much off speed late in the year. Whether he would like,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: you know, I just remember that vividly when he hit
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: that home run, I'm like, this slider is going to
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: go right into his But you know it did. Thoughts,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: it did freaking he crushed that ball.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: It was so loud. But yeah, that was so. I mean, listen,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: I'm debating because, like I said, you double switch him.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I think we moved them eight hitters away from where
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: the leader piter was going to be. So that's that's sake.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: We should be able to score some runs by then
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: then I could actually leave them in if we get
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: to that point. But sometimes the math doesn't work out.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened. And that's because I did
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: not want to take a roll this out of the game,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: but we had to do it at that point, and
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: then you have to rely on the other dudes. But
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: that was a big moment and as well as saying
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Game four against the Giants, to me, that was the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: World Series.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: How hard is it looking back now when you're in
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: that moment, you know, the double switches in the National
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: League where it's a mastermind of the dude, it was
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: so good? Or was it just because you love I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: remember when you came over here. I love the National League?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: The better it is much better, that's right. So but
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: you're in that moment where NLCS where one hundred and
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: eight years where we win that series for one of
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: the World Series. I've been there in what's sixty plus years.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Making those decisions in the heat of the moment is
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: not be easy.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Well it's not easy, but you think about them in advance.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the whole thing. I mean, I, like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: I said, I knew he moved the mate spots, and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: then okay, I wasn't worried about it until I had
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: to start worrying about it, and then you have to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: start playing it all the way out and then there's
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: like who's going to be the pinch it or if
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: in fact we're going to do that. So that was
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: the beauty of the Nationalague game. And everybody poop poos
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: that I'm here to tell you, man, anybody that says
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: it's just like a double switcher. But I mean there's
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: so many things that go on. I mean there's times
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Davy really helped me out because sometimes I would do
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: some things that required a lot of movement and I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: get lost. Sometimes Davy and Davey would like help me
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: out with putting it back together, because when you start
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: doing all the things we did, like moving guys pictures
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: to the outfield in the back and things like that,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: it can get kind of. But here's the thing though,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: I loved it because I felt we could have an
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: advantage because if I know what I'm doing with that,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: then that works as an advantage for us versus the
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: group that's not as bold, you know, doing something. You
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: got to be bold to do those things. And again,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: if you're losing Sky's limit, do whatever you want. If
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: you're tired or winning, it becomes more difficult. And that's
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: what you We were up by a run.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's difficult to take your clothes.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: That's right. Just trained it for that's right.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: That's we got Chapman at that deadline. It was like
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: just another shot of confidence.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: That's group.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I've been on teams for thirteen fourteen years and there
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: was one time at the deadline that I felt like
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: as a player. We won the deadline and I was
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: two and sixteen. Yeah, we traded for Chappy. We went
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: out and got the best reliever on the market to
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: solidify already a really deep backend, bultit and it was like, holy.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: Shit, and I felt the same way. The only other
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: time I felt that way was twenty thirteen the Red Sox.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: We won and they went out and got Jake pe
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: who at the time was the best starter at that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: all part. You know, when your front office implants like
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: we know what you need and we're gonna go get
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: it for you. That's another part of like I think,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: winning organizations that just goes unnoticed a lot of the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: times because people play the long game. In the safe game,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: you only have so often, right you don't I have
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: so often to.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Go for it. It's all about the long game anywhere. Man,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: I don't even know that. Everybody's got a four or
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: five year plan and nobody ever wins. I mean, I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: don't get it. I don't understand all that stuff. I
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: mean I understand what they're doing, but I don't understand
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: why they do it. Yeah, THEO made it. Then they
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: made a great move on that. YEA, well we don't.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: We don't do that without all that, without how much
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: And I mean, listen, I you know, if you remember
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: at that time, I think Stropie got hurt right at
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: the end of that sea is that when he know
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: that's that when he hurt his knee. But he didtase
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: coming face. He did something right, so and Strophie was
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: out of the mix a little bit. Hector was like
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: not as good because he'd been a little bit impacted
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: by Chapman being there.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I thought, I thought, that's the one thing that
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: you look back on, and you know, we got Chappy
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: and then kind of some of our horses that had
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: driven us got kind of sideline. And from a manager's perspective,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: like I think I leaned a lot into veterans.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Like safety for the veterans for me.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: But you really did a nice job of like Montgomery
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: and c. J.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Edwards and like Gris.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: Guys, remember remember that, remember that getting out of that
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: basis loaded jam? What what is that when you see
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: that as that that your gut, that your your eyes,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: you're right eyes eyes.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: I think I'm for me, I think it's my eyeballs.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: And listen, I I'm so grateful, like I said, or
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: I think I said it earlier, that it took me
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: so long to become a major league manager. I scout
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: it for a long time, and I still consider I
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: still consider the most important thing I've ever done in
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: order to become a big league manager successfully would be
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: to have been a scout, because I think I could
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: see talent before talent becomes talent sometimes, so Carl Edwards.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, my god, I mean I love that boy. Yeah,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: it was devastating. And then I mean, how about Montgomery.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, and I didn't realize it at the time,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: but of course bors he did. The last side of
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: the World Series, Martinez was sitting like one ten against
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Lieutenant curveballs. So he's just feeding Mickey curveball.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Curving that you know right exactly, it's theirs. It had
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: not seen one at batanding.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: And we know that that's what he did. That's what
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: our that's what I'm sorry. Guys were prepared. You're talking
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: about process and preparation, like everybody was on board doing
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: their job at that moment, and.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: So you have you have that.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: I thought it was a genius too, because Rajie was
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: going to steal that bad.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe you didn't go.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe. I was like, he's going right.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: I for for a first pitch, I thought he was
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: going I think the left.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: He scared him a little bit. You're right, just a
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: little bit. You're a little bit harder. So like probably
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: something that you don't equate for actually helps out because
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking, well, you bring him in before that was
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: like well, Raji's fixing steel. He's a second now Base
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: ties it out.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: CJ wasn't good at holding runners on either.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: What was your process? Like, what are you telling your
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: staff going into the World Series where all this pressure
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: on journey of your career. It's real, right, we did
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: a great job at quieting it, but you're the lead
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: bull with your with your coach. Is it business as usual?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Is it? Don't change your thing, don't change your thing,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: No more meetings, don't get try to get smarter. Uh,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: just just do what we've been doing all year. I
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: think that's the trap. Teams that try to get smarter,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: add more information, We're scott to reports, more people in
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: the clubhouse, more more data, and uh at analysts coming
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: downstairs to try to help you out. I ran into
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: it with the late nineteen ninety Angels, which we didn't
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: never really got anywhere. But we get closer to the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: playoffs at the end of the year, and all of
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: a sudden, everybody beat it. The skint of reports that
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: get bigger, giving guys more information.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: More people around.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, It's like, are you kidding me? It's
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: the exact opposite. Sure, it's less info, it's less people around,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: it's it's status quo as much as you possibly can.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: If you remember, I didn't take VP one time in
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: because I didn't want to go out to the soap opera.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: That's that's finny bkab and I think that's two. We
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: just stayed in. You guys did all right well, but
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: that's because of back you gave us. We had that
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: level of confidence that we can do that. There's a
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: lot of guys that I feel like they have.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: To go and do it. See, that's just that's just
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: that's the classic cover my ass situation. That is has
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with anything you know or believe. That's
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: covering my butt. That's all that is. All. This choreography
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: before the games is also a cover of my butt situation.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: I want listen, if somebody needs ex work, I'm I'm there.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I'll be the first guy out there. I want them,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: I want them out there. But if you don't necessarily
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: need early work or don't need it every day, an
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: athlete that is both mentally and physically not tired is
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: much better than all these different work that you want
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: to put out there that you're going to get a
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: mentally or physically exhausted. They don't realize people that really
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: haven't done it. You can't hold that many thoughts. You
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: can't hold that many thoughts. Too simple better, I'd write,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: I don't want you holding that many thoughts. I can't
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: hold that many thoughts. Although I will say this, and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: I've always said this, you could inundate the staff with
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: as much intel as you possibly want, but then it's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: up to the staff to give you the nuggets that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: we think are necessary. Like bors he's Bor's. He's better
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: than any analytical staff there is to prepare a game
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: plan on.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Any I used to have Borsey after every year Mike
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: started catching break me down fully what I wasn't because
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: it's so hard as everyday player realized where you're missing
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: when you're When year Freddie Freeman told me, he was like, hey,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: we don't play you the rest of this year, and
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to see each other in
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. And he goes, you're not swinging at first
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: pitch breaking balls, and I'm like, what, I didn't know
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: that I get traded. It's twenty twenty one. I get
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: traded in the playoffs that year first pitch breaking ball
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: from Evaldi. I'm aware of this now, Gomer and the wild.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Card with the Yankees.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: Information is powerful, it's crazy.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: But sometimes you just don't know. And then of course
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: when you have people that you trust that tell you
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: these things. But if you don't trust them and they
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: tell you these things, you're.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Like, that's right, get out of it. It's it's not
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: it's useless.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: At that point, Game seven start started talking.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I do want to start talking the World Series?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: How special was that?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: My god? Just yeah, you'd been throughing for with the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: race I did with the Rays, then the Angels. So
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: we went with the Angels in two thousand and two,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: but I was the bench coach, raise as a manager,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: and that was think about it. That team, I think
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: when seventy games year before, you know, seventy I think
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: maybe sixteen, I don't even know. But then you go
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: and you we didn't win the division. We were the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: wildcard team, but you end up playing the Phillies in
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: the World Series. We beat the Red Sox, so you
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: remember the ground ball. I mean we were up three
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: to one in that and you guys came back games.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: That was eight.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: We talked about the first time we met and we
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: had the same agent going through my lefting tickets young Buck, Yeah,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: left in tickets.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: I was with the Red Sox though, so I was
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: happy they won Game six. But we're there, yeah, and
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: we are down three to one. Yeah, And I was like, no,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: this ain't happening because last year we were down three
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: when it was like our win was out of the sales.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: But this year we last year we went in and
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: like we were talking and all this stuff and what
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: we leave in the clubhouse, we do if we just
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: won game five, right, because that was a gauntlet of
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: a game.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: What was your take on? I had a pizza party
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: that night. My kids were in town. I had pizza
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: at the I was living right off Lake Shore. We
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: had a big room downstairs. I went at the I
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: don't know if I rented. We just got it it all.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: My kids were there, A bunch of my mom was there.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Pizza party. I really felt good. I felt our pitchings
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: was lined up properly for the for the games in Cleveland.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: I did. I never lost faith, absolutely not. We That
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: was Halloween. I wore a Halloween outfit on the bus.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: It was like a suit with a bunch of daggers,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: and I wanted to try to keep it as normal
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: as you possibly can. That's that's always been my method.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: When you when you when you, when you stop being,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: get a normal outside your normal pass that's what people
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: as I tend to go up. So my my main
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: objective is always to keep it as real as you
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: possibly can. But I never I never lost faith. I
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: never did. I Arieta and Kyle, I felt good.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: I felt lesser.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Game five too, Chapman came in. I think in like
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: the seventh, there was no what else do you do? Yeah,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: there's no Game six, there's no fun.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: So that was the one thing. I think the only
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: thing I ever questioned was leaving him in to go
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: out in the ninth in game six, right, I just
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: hit the homer, that's right, And I remember the dugout.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Like can we get Travis Wooden? Like yeah?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: And he went back out.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: I think he looked a gun four straight pictures out
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: of him and I took him out.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: That I think that was the only time because right
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: as a player, I would always I would always ask
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: you questions because I wanted to know like and I
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: felt like I knew you perfectly.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: No you're right, I mean I was. I was torn
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: on that. When I had I already had talked to
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: I think Boss about getting somebody else up in case
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: something happening scored a bunch of runs. It was in
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: my head. The problem with me was that I've been
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: burning Cleveland in the past. In that particular bar I
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: had been. I mean just with the Angels. I think
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: we were leading like nine to one or nine to two,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: either the eighth or ninth any with personal in the
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: game and lost the game. So it's just stupid stuff
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: like that. And but it worked out. But there's no game.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: There's no game seven if you don't win game six,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. Also, so it's I can't defend
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: my choice right there. It worked out fine, But I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: knew watching Chappie thwar to the first hitter, get him out,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: get him out, he was like he was pissed. He
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: was pissed too, I thought he was, or yeah.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: Six or yeah, it was like you run Homer separated, right,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: that was.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: A separator, right, but but no, But the point was
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: I bought him in because Lindor was hitting, and we
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: got out of a big situation with Lindor in that game.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: And again, if you don't win that, you don't you
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: don't play game seven.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: So well, and we I talked about going back to
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: the little bit that I got to manage is like
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: you get burned from a game, you know, like those
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: games that somebody comes back.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: My memory is too good.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: It sticks, It sticks, no doubt time out of times,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: like yeah, this manager was burned because of this or that,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: like they start telling stories about because you get like
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: you think it. You can't take any for granted, and
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: then the World Series is going to be No I
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: want the guy out there throwing a hundred Okay, how
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: much were up?
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: I know that was That's the one thing I agree,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: and I've actually said that publicly that that's the one
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: thing that I knew was wrong. I did it and
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: then but we rectified it because he needed to pitch
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: the next day obviously.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Yea game in game seven? Did we do a shot
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: before Game seven? Did the whole staff?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: I think we did. Yeah?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we all pregame do our shot toasts last
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: game of the season. Right, Well, you guys you told me, yeah,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: you guys had a good conversation.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, great conversation.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what about what happened.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: Your plan was. It's like you never really I hadn't
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: been in your office much all year, and you know,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: you're always kind of down. You you keep things so
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: close to the vest as far as like, really, what
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: you're going to do in a game. And you told me, hey,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: you're coming in with Johnny, I don't know when the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: next the next day, and then uh remember going down
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: in a bullpen and how crazy that was. And then
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: I came in early, not knowing what's going on. We
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: had a me you and BOS had that conversation about
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: how's he look and I remember saying, uh, like, he
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: looks great, but I don't know how many bullets he's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: got it right? He was firing I've never seen.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: You said, is as good as you've seen him throw
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: the baseball? Something that yeah, he was, he was.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: He was just wanted to go in the game.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: That was right. And I didn't even consider that right right,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: but I should have. But no, that's what you told me.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: You told me how good he was. Yeah, and I
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: trusted and you.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Trust your players, beauty.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: But that we talked earlier, like you're just you. You
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: didn't go in your office with an idea and you
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: not go I love it. You know what I mean,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: Let's do it. I mean Lester taking me out of
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: the game. He told the story about you guys taking
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: me out.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: He just came in your office like, I love it,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: let's do it.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: I was not thinking about that. Yeah, you know that
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: was all John Johnny.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: He told me that that's like super cool. But I
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: remember when you took Kyle out. I'd never Kyle's stoic
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: right zen Master, he had his glove in his mouth.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I was fucking pitching around him because he pitched around
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: walks Intanna faced kidness because he kind of owned he
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: thought he owned kidness, and we.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: Love the kidness matchup. I remember talking about.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was the first time I ever heard
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: emotion from Hendricks. And now looking back with experience ten
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: years later, it's like, if if Hendricks knew that you
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: may have pulled him, he would have pitched to Santana differently,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: because it was like, all if I, if I don't
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: get him out, then he starts maybe pitching a little scared, right,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: So it's maybe in the moment you're like, no, he
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: should have pitched the kidness right, But it's like all
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: these things that pictures. When pitchers get that hundred pitch mark,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: now they're pitched differently because if I don't get this guy,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: if they're going batter to batter. So you look back
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: on it with more wisdom and it's like, thank God,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: he didn't know the whole thing that he was on
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: a pitch.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: The building was precipitated not by Kipness, but it was
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: by Lindor because we talked about Johnny and not bringing
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Johnny to a dirty inning. I did not consider Santana
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: on first base only with two ounces of dirty inning.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: I just did. Yeah, I didn't, That was not my
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: interpretation of that. But if Kidness gets on and Santana's on,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: that's two guys on with two outs, and that is
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: dirty and that I did not want to bring Johnny
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: into that. So it was almost like I mentally my
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: hand was forced to do what I did when I
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: did it because I did not want to have Johnny
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: on that out there with multiple runners, and I liked
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: a lot the Kidness Johnny relationship. Johnny had warmed up.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: That was the second time warming up already, so you'd
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: have sat down if he did not use him there
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: to warmed up the third time to bring him out
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: in the game, and at that point it worked out.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: If he would have made a good throw, he almost killed.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: There was a swinging bot and the defensive guy may
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: have shown his leg. No, no, I mean I'm talking
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: about I like, I'm not in there for my bat.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: And then there were Johnny that you.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Hit the big home limit I did. It's not about
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: you though, It's.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: Not about me. But no, I mean it was a
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: swinging bump from getting this. We had him two and
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: I threw it away and then Johnny knows. I remember
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: the Scalle report talking about Boresy no strike breaking balls
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: to Lindor. So he shakes the breaking ball throws. I
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: got thirty foot, its off my mask. I trip over
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: my leg. You know, two runs going right?
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what happens the game?
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: We just two back in?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: I was it was.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: It was nuts.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: But so that's the people don't understand that the move
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: was made on uh the not dirty inning. If if
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Kyle doesn't get out Kipness, then now it is bad.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: But I do want to lefty on Lindor. Yeah, I
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: want him hitting right handed. So there's a lot going
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: on right there.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: And Johnny up a third ten. That's the other thing
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: we talked about. Yeah, he's firing bullets and been up twice.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: I probably can't get him back up.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: And that's another thing. It's all it's very that's that's
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: a really difficult jigs up. And believe me, I'm thinking
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: all this stuff in that nano second. It's not like, oh,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: it after us. It was. It was all going on now.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: We had already wounded up Montgomery earlier in the game
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit, I think early on, because if you remember,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: Kyle was being hit around a little bit earlier before
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: that some art contact. But then again, if you bring
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: Kyle in that particular situation, I mean Montgomery Mikey, then
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: Mikey doesn't get the last out of the game. I mean,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: it's just like the world, the world would happen. Yeah,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: it's just how the world played out. So I'm not
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: a revisionist historian. How it happened is how it happened.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: That was real. So we could you could do all
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: the what ifs and how about whatever. It's exactly a
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: dock down buy stuff.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: I say this with all due respects. I can say
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: whatever I want, right, that's right, that the fact that
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: that's right three days after we win the World Series
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: and the media is like, why would we they do that?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: We just fucking wrote one hundred years how to pray
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: to a billion people, five million plus people, and there's
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: articles being written saying Joe should have did this, right,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here my language.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: No, not that. I mean that's what's done all the
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: time now, right. I mean that would have been like
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: normal pristandard procedure to get Kyle out in the fifth inning,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: see and Kip this for the third time, that would
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: have been like because no one's even questioned exactly exactly
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: right going into that.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: Season, Kyle was like third time through got hit a
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: little bit harder. Remember that.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was, But it was only based on
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: what I'm telling you. It's just then the fact that
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: if Kipness gets on and I want Johnny on the door,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: that would have been the dirty thing. I was not
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: looking for. That was so I was trying to get
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: ahead of that moment. Kip this with Johnny was a
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: really good matchup, and we got what we're looking for.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: It's just a tough play that that ball rolled out
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: farther than you thought, that's what I saw? Yeah, for sure,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: it kept going, kept going away from you. Yeah, so
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: fucking he's a he's a brick.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: I rushed the throat my hand. He grabbed me a
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: little bit when stretched a little more.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: What about when ra hits the homer?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: What what are you thinking?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: I said to Davy, I said, who's up for his
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: next inning? That's the first thing that I went, man,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: that for his next inning? Right, who's up for his
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: next inning? That's it? I mean I thought that. And
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: then the the more difficult part was who to send
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: out in the ninth inning? We sent out said, right,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: the fact that Chappie got through the ninth amazing is
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: like its owns.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: How many times have you seen a closer blow it
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: in the eighth?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think Miggie gets enough credit. I agree with
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: the break like like I look back on, I was
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: calling all heaters because I didn't catch Chappie that much.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: We would we would he would come in with Miggi.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Or Contraras, and so I was like, we're catching scared.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: Maybe, well, I knew the sky was said no sliders,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: and then I didn't know the splitting wasn't really a
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: factor that year. So I just kept like, oh, it's
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: one hundred, he'll pop it up, and I did.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: He just went further than I wait, just to it
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: done into his bathroom.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: Ye yeah, and I looked. I remember looking, he's she
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: was choking on the back like Corona. Yeah, well plug there.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: So Raj hits the home run. I'm at first saying this,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: this fucking curse is real, like playing dirty numb, my
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: full body numb, and you're going.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: That is like, that's why I said, I asked David
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: that immediately.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: I never I moved. I turned the page a lot
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: as a catcher that I just remember. I kept going
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: back to God, dang it like Eli, like you know,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: like it took me a minute just to turn.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: A page, like you hit the home run rain delay. Right,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: we're in there, Chappy just got traded. He's like he's
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: instantly one of our brothers. He's in there with tears
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: in his eyes. Right, feels so bad, and it's like,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: how can you feel bad?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: Do you?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: You've thrown forty innings postseason right a horse and then
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: comes out later with your story with your dad's hate
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: And was that a moment that just came out of
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: nowhere for you.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: That's twice I've done that. My dad was in the
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: dugout for the two thousand and two when World Series
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: for the Angels. Also wow wow. My dad passed in
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: two thousand and two, so he died in April fifteen,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: two thousand and two. So we're the Angels in the
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: World Series in two thousand and two. I had his
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: hat in my backpack, which it took to every ballpark.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: So I ran upstairs in that game against the Giants
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: and I brought it down. I used to have that
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: little table set up in Anheim Stadium in the corner there,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: and I put the hat underneath my book looking out
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: at the field. So he was been to two World
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: Series victories. So that time in Cleveland, I went up
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: there and I said, screwed. I put in the back
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: my my pants like your belt is. I stuffed it
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: down and there so I thought nobody would see it.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: And I think I had the jacket on it at
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: that time, so I figured it was not going to
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: be seen, so I put it. I was during the rainelay, right, yeah,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: went upstairs and rangewl and did that. That's right.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: Was amazing? Was uh?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: When during that rain delay. Well, I mean there was
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: tears in the weight room.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't go there. I I just I
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: went upstairs. I wanted to see the weather map. How
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: long this is going to last?
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Seven?
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  Speaker 2: Jed was there, Jed Hoyer was up there, were looking
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: at the map. I can't remember exactly what I talked
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: to him about, but it's a it's a real It's
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: one of those, you know, obviously horrible moments. But you
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: guys did you guys did great. I mean, after that
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: meeting with with Jason, I walked out in the field
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: and I said, damn, I mean, you guys.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: Look like ghosts and ghosts.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but y'all look like the game was just get
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: ready to begin. That's that's I mean, the energy was
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: outstanding before was leading off. He walks by me and
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: it's like he's like this guy throws me to cut around.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna you know, saw, and I'm like, I
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: was like rais in that sta. Remember we worked on
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: that during.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Series was lost this year on a bad secondary lead.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: We won arguably the Ones World series because of a.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: Read that he stuff we had worked on.
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  Speaker 1: Standards we did, We worked on that stuff. We were
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: protocol says, don't tag go halfway.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. I'm read it, and I think I think
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: Hyder was screaming from the attack of the bank.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, really good coaches, Yeah yeah, yeah, it's how did
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: you celebrate when the whole thing was done? What went
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: through your mind on that that last out?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: I was exhausted. I mean, I thought, when you caught
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: the ball, I thought one and eight. That was my
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: first thought, and I thought of my my my dad
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: of course, and then my family. But also I get
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: really happy for the coaches. Don't take that wrong, because
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: it's really important for the coaches, you know, the salary
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: they make compared to what everybody else to make. So
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: because I was a coach, so I'm really happy for
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: the coaching staff that this is going to be really
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: benefit their family. I really that's one of the first
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: things I think about. And then of course I just
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: watch you guys through the dog pile out there, and
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: it's you know, it's fabulous. So it's really weird because
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: it's such an exhausting moment. I mean, to get to
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: that point, to get to the seventh game of the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: World Series, after everything that the prepp for spring training,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: spring training, regular season, playoffs on top of playoffs, on
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: top of playoffs, down games, three games to one, come back,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: get in a position, win and then actually win it.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Like you're saying, there's nothing to be critical over that point,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: it's it's just like there's so many ebbs and flows
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: to that moment, and everything somehow is to break your
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: way at the right moment. It just has to. You know,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: the base there's good baseball luck and there's bad baseball luck.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: So maybe the good baseball luck and nobody talks about
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: is the fact that they they the Indians took out
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Coco Crisp for defensive purposes for Martinez. Had they not,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: then he's hitting in that particular spot and much more
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: formidable hitter than Martin. So so when you start, you
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: start what if what if? That's what if? It is life?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: It's life, I mean, what if what if such an
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: iconic world you win Tito Tito as a manager, historic
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame manager as well.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: The Indians were sixty plus years, we're one hundred and
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: eight years. The fans were just so into it, everyone
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: was so happy we win. The celebration is just absolutely epic, right, Yeah,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: and it changes our lives course whatever. Ten years later
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: we're talking about this reunion.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: It's going to get even more prominent as we moved
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: along the the the war, the way that the fables
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: waste being told. Twenty years from now, thirty years from that,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: I was going to grow.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully.
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  Speaker 3: Did you feel like it was harder looking back on
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: setting expectations and twenty fifteen of how you were changing
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: the culture and the winning ways or managing the expectations
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: in sixteen, I mean it was a year to Yeah, I.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Think you know, just the way you describe that, just
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: they go hand in hand, right, I mean you have
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: to set the expectations and then you have to manage them.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: I say, when it comes down to managing expectations, I'm
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: more about setting them, you know, and I don't really
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: necessarily worry about managing them. I think that if you
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: set it up right and you got the right group,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: and you know, you work your day properly kind of
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: takes care of itself, I think. I mean I never
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: I never really think about that phrase to manage my expectations,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: but I do think about setting them up if.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: It feels like there's a couple of times that we've
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: talked that of, like you just stay in the process.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: I do. I'm pretty good in a moment. I'm pretty
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: good present tense guy. There are certain times I'll get
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: I'll get outside of that process when you're tired a
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: little bit, you know, maybe something bad happening, You're just
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: your confidence might have taken a little bit of a hit.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: But for the most part, I'm able to get back there.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know how much of it's kenra
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: visit and all the training I did with Kenny, even
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: as a coach. I mean as a player though I
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: was playing quarterback when I was ten, right, my own
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: plays when you're ten years old, you know, So there's
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: something to be said for that. I mean, I actually
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: called my own plays when I was ten, and they
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: stay Trooper Eagles, State Trooper Eagles huddle. I'm calling the
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: plays and I ad audibles to call to. So what
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: does that mean when you're ten years old? How does
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: that play fifteen, twenty thirty years down the road. I
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: don't know, but I did. And I was a captain
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: on almost every team that I played on. If I wasn't,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: so you always have this responsibility kind of thing, and
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: do you be both are probably the same way. So
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: how does that actually translate into being able to stay
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: in a moment accepting responsibility. The probably way to lead
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: for me is not through intimidation, but through in communication.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: That's the appropriate way to lead. And I think my
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: best dudes, and I've talked and talked about Bob Clear
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: in my book. Bob Clear was my guy with the Angels.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: He was like the best baseball coach I've ever been around.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: And then coach Bob Root my backfield, my quarterback coach
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: at Loafiat College. This man, God, I just one of
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: the best communicators to me. And if I came off
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: the field and I did the right thing or to
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: call the right play and he validated it, my god,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: did I get puffy, you know, because I just respected
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: him so much. Communication.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: Think about think about in your time not only with
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: the Cubs. We'll talk about the Cubs in specific, how
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: many lives you've touched as far as fans, players, legacy.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: There's things that you said that I said today about
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: what I took with me as a player that I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: used my whole life. And it was like, and I
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: tell you this ten eleven years later and you remember
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: these things. Yeah, it's not the Ricky Bobby. I was
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: high when I said that, Like you you genuinely, you
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: genuinely remember because in that moment of my life, it
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: was the biggest like aha moment for me that I
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: learned and took with me. And there's hundreds of players
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: that you've probably touched or along your journey, right which
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: is just insane to think about. You know, when you
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: live a life, what do you want to leave behind
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: the legacy?
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: And it's like you're you're pushing me back to my
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: minor league days right now too, absolutely, because I mean
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: starting out as a minor league coach in nineteen eighty one,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: I was twenty seven, Like I had Dicky Scholfield and
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Devon White on my first team in Idaho Falls as
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: an example. And if I wrote down all the lists
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: of the guys, you do unbelievable that I that made
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: the really good major league players. And it is it's
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: it's it's ominous to think that the one thing because
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: but you never think about that. I never think about that.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: Ricky Lee Jones, songwriter, singer, she wrote, you never know
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: when you're making a memory.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just never know when you're making a memory
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: or whenever you're making an impact, because I've never I
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: never evaluate myself that way. I don't. I really appreciate
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: what you guys are saying.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: You've made an impact for us?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Can too?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: You don't bring cah Ken? Yeah right, yeah, bring this
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: story ken, Ken.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: I'll say as quick, can have me do a drill
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: in spring training, close my eyes, do my whole pregame
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: batting routine, like from the on deck circle to the box.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: It times me.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like the elites get it within a second.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: I got it within a second. He's like, you'll be
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: surprised how many guys go through their entire visualization process
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: and get it within like a second of when they
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: opened their eyes.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: And I carried that with me for every whenever I
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: was in a rut, I would go through my process.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: I remember jumping on Aaron Judges back one time. Right,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, you do that absolutely. I was all the
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: time about Ken and are you breathing?
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Are you breathing? That's right?
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: And he would jump on my back if I was struggling.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: Hey man, I gotta get on your back. You feel
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: the weight of the world get off your shoulder there,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: and it's like these little things that just make the
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: biggest impact in lives, and you've certainly done that for me.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: You've certainly done that for me. So this is like
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: I was, I'm so happy.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: Look, this has been amazing. You've You've obviously impacted a lot,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: and we're so thankful for how you impacted. This has
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: been really fun for us and we've got all year
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: to celebrate this. Any advice you would give Joe Madden
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: from you, you're talking a lot about minorly days to
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: now you're no longer managing and all the crazy impact
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: you've had in between, Like what advice would you give
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: to our baseball people that are listening or fans and
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: some of the stuff that's helped you out the most
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: that we can. Yeah, I mean we need one more
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: nugget from you.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually put it on a T shirt once,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: and I think the word comes out to authenticity. I mean, everybody,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: everybody wants to be like everybody else. They're so we
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: have influencers everywhere right now, and of course I had
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: influencers too, no question, and watch the weight. I wear
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: white shoes when I play football because name of it whatever,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: I wear bigger face mask. But at the end of
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: the day, don't run away from who you are and
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: what you believe in. And also know what you believe
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: in too. I mean, it's not that you can't be
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: you can't make adaptations or be flexible. You have to be,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, just really know
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: what you believe in and put it out there. I
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: think to t times people will attempt to say what
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: they think somebody wants to hear. We've already kind of
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: covered this, but put out there with what you what
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: you truly believe in, and I think the respect you
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: get in return for that is greater that because even
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: if the person you're speaking with doesn't agree with what
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: you're saying, they'll probably listen to that and take it
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: to heart, and maybe you're gonna make an impact in
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: that authentic way, because if you if you choose to
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: not really be who you are or authentic, it's really
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: difficult to copy or put that fake thing out there
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: on a daily basis, which a lot of people do exactly.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's very transparent, right. So I just think
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: the word authenticity had never run away from it, and
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: and and authenticity cannot be manufactured. It's got to be organic. Yeah,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: thank you. Love done, guys, You got.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Why such you guys look back.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: Und H