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The Kenny Report | 1 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week on the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: It's also the start of a new financial year and
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  Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis looms lards for the Alban
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  Speaker 2: Easy Labor government.
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  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister's.
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  Speaker 2: Weakness on Israel and Gaza has delivered him a rogue
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  Speaker 2: senator and a political mess. In the US, the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: are in crisis, finally realizing what we've been talking about
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  Speaker 2: for three years that Joe Biden is not up to
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  Speaker 2: a second term. On the energy crisis, an expert explains
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  Speaker 2: why our supply shortfall is probably worse than we're being told.
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  Speaker 2: So much to crame in tonight with Paul Murray, Gematon Uni,
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  Speaker 2: Caroline Drusso and Sophiel's Worth on media where finally there's
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  Speaker 2: been some pandemic response backlash.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: The latest News poll has the primary vote for both
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  Speaker 2: major parties fooling a pox on both their houses, and
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  Speaker 2: the alb And Easy Labor government is showing all the
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  Speaker 2: signs of a first term government with serious pre election wobbles.
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  Speaker 2: This was supposed to be a big day for labor,
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  Speaker 2: the day the tax cuts came into force. Remember these
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  Speaker 2: are the Stage three tax cuts that the Coalition passed
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  Speaker 2: into law a Labor promised not to touch, but they
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  Speaker 2: did meddle with them, supposedly to take more from the
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  Speaker 2: rich and give more to the poor, but I think
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  Speaker 2: mainly so they could try to claim credit for them.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever the rationale, the tax cuts aren't doing much to
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  Speaker 2: help the cost of living crisis for a number of reasons.
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  Speaker 2: They don't amount to a take away, takeaway meal for
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  Speaker 2: most families for starters, and the electricity price hikes caused
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  Speaker 2: by Labour's renewable zelotry will eat up the tax cuts
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  Speaker 2: and much much more, with predictions that power prices will
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  Speaker 2: continue to go up, and revelations now that in one
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  Speaker 2: state alone, at least one hundred and twenty seven thousand
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  Speaker 2: people have gone into electricity bill debt seeking urgent help
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  Speaker 2: because they can't pay their electricity bills.
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  Speaker 1: What are shambles and it gets worse on a day.
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  Speaker 2: Labor was trying to convince voters that it is focused
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  Speaker 2: on the cost of living issues for voters. Well, it
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  Speaker 2: was swearing in our new governor, General Sam Mostyn. Now
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  Speaker 2: she's another Republican governor General, so she's cast aside her
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  Speaker 2: opposition to the monarchy in order to represent the monarchy.
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  Speaker 2: She's also woken into social justice. But she's just received
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  Speaker 2: a pay increase over the man she replaced of two
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. Yes, the Alberaneazy government has bumped up
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  Speaker 2: the Governor General's salary from half a million dollars to
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred grand. And it comes, of course with the
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  Speaker 2: expansive Canberra resident at Harveside Mansion in Sydney and all
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  Speaker 2: the butlers and staff and other perks. It just makes
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  Speaker 2: you wonder why why would labor do this when they
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  Speaker 2: know so many people are struggling? I mean, do they
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  Speaker 2: think moston wouldn't have done the job for half a
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  Speaker 2: million dollars? Do? I think it would be unfair for
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  Speaker 2: the Governor General to earn only five hundred thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: a year from taxpayers?
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  Speaker 1: Are that far out of touch?
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  Speaker 2: Then on top of all this, Alberanezi is having a
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  Speaker 2: hell of a time with party discipline.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about how the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 2: Failed to suspend or expel Muslim alp Senator Fatima payment
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  Speaker 2: last week even though she voted against her own government
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  Speaker 2: to support a pro Palestinian motion from the Greens, well
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  Speaker 2: after Payment said she'd keep doing that, and more to
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  Speaker 2: the point, after many other labor MPs privately were furious
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  Speaker 2: that she'd gotten away with it. Albernesi suspended the renegade
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  Speaker 2: senator yesterday, but strangely, he says, it's not about her
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  Speaker 2: defiance of labor policy on the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's be very clear, it's not because of her
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  Speaker 3: support for a policy position that she's advocated. It's because
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  Speaker 3: of the question that you've just asked me. Today is
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  Speaker 3: July one, It's a day where we want to talk
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  Speaker 3: about tax cuts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just suspended because she's a direct distraction from
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  Speaker 2: the cost of living. Apparently, is that really why he
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  Speaker 2: suspended Senator Payment or is the Prime Minister still so
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  Speaker 2: spineless on the Middle East that he can't draw clear
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  Speaker 2: lines on labor policy. Now Payment is saying that she'll
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  Speaker 2: abstain on all votes, and there's speculation that she'll leave labor,
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  Speaker 2: further complicating the Senate for the government. Still, at least
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  Speaker 2: the cost of living won't be a bother for the
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  Speaker 2: Governor General. By the time Albanezy goes to see her
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  Speaker 2: to call the election. You'll have to hope that families
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  Speaker 2: are doing a lot better than they are right now.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: That presidential debate on Friday was compelling viewing, Wasn't it
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  Speaker 2: pretty depressing too, when you consider one block is the
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  Speaker 2: leader of the free world and the other bloke wants
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  Speaker 2: another crack at it. As we speak, the Biden family
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  Speaker 2: is hold up in Camp David with some close advisors
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  Speaker 2: working out just what to do next, whether to pull
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  Speaker 2: out of the race or try to dig in.
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  Speaker 1: It seems a pretty pointless exercise.
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  Speaker 2: As Kristen Tate and me and others have been saying
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  Speaker 2: for ages, Biden was always going to be a disaster
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  Speaker 2: in these debates. It's even a wonder he agreed to
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  Speaker 2: do them. Here's a bit of what we said when
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  Speaker 2: they announced the debates a month ago. I just think
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  Speaker 2: that Donald Trump will wipe the floor with Joe Biden
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  Speaker 2: because he's so vague.
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  Speaker 4: The reason that Biden is really wanting this to happen
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  Speaker 4: is to dispel the theories that the Democrats are going
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  Speaker 4: to replace him in Chicago.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody's talking about that because nobody.
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  Speaker 4: Thinks he's actually going to be able to get through
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  Speaker 4: this campaign season. Let alone actually survive another presidency.
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  Speaker 2: Look, no matter how predictable it was, and I've been
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  Speaker 2: showing you Biden's mental, verbal, and physical stumbles for four
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  Speaker 2: years now, yet still as much as we all expected it,
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  Speaker 2: it was incredible and painful to watch when it happened.
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  Speaker 6: Making sure that we continue to supper strength in our
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  Speaker 6: healthcare system, making sure that we're able to make every
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  Speaker 6: single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to
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  Speaker 6: do with the with the COVID, I could be with
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  Speaker 6: dealing with everything we have to do with Look, if
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  Speaker 6: we finally beat medicare, thank.
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  Speaker 1: Your President, by Biden.
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  Speaker 2: That was the moment, surely when most of the US
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  Speaker 2: realized this bloke was done. I mean, Biden should not
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  Speaker 2: be in the job now, but the idea of putting
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  Speaker 2: him back into it for another four years is absurd.
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  Speaker 2: I think one of the most telling aspects of the
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  Speaker 2: debate coverage was the tight shots on Biden, even when
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't speaking. Millions of viewers around the US were
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  Speaker 2: watching a man who looked lost, confused, and vacant. We've
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  Speaker 2: said it for years, Chauncey Gardner, or even weekend at
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  Speaker 2: Bidy Weekend at Bernie's it was disturbing and Trump, well,
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  Speaker 2: for Donald Trump, he was restrained and disciplined, and when
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  Speaker 2: he did go in for the kill, it was deft
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  Speaker 2: and on target.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm going to continue to move until we get
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  Speaker 6: the total ban on the total initiative relative to what
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  Speaker 6: we're going to do with more border patrol and more
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  Speaker 6: a cybum officers.
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  Speaker 1: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at
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  Speaker 1: the end of their sentence.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think he knows what he said either.
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  Speaker 1: Very true.
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  Speaker 2: So suddenly the Democrats are in panic. It's like they've
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  Speaker 2: finally remembered that their spin is just spin, and their president, well,
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  Speaker 2: he's real and he's bewildered.
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  Speaker 1: It's a disgrace that it's come to this.
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  Speaker 2: On this program, we questioned Biden's capabilities before he was elected,
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  Speaker 2: and certainly we've focused on the absurdity of a second
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  Speaker 2: term since Biden was only months into his first. But obviously,
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  Speaker 2: if Biden runs again, I mean I'll win the Brown.
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  Speaker 1: Low That's how likely it is. As you know, the
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  Speaker 1: leader of the free world is not of clear or
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  Speaker 1: sharp mind. He's not up to the task.
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  Speaker 2: He'll be lucky to finish his first term. Without handing
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  Speaker 2: over to Kamala Harris that alone running again, surely, Yet
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  Speaker 2: the ridiculous state of affairs is that the president and
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  Speaker 2: his team continue to insist that he'll run for a
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  Speaker 2: second term.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly he won't. Clearly he can't.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just insane that this is even a
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  Speaker 2: talking point. Whether or not he runs again. He won't
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  Speaker 2: run again. He can't run again. Democrats have gone through
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  Speaker 2: this absolute charade for the last two years, pretending that
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden might run.
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  Speaker 1: For a second term. He's never going to run for
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  Speaker 1: a second term. They just can't admit it.
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  Speaker 2: I still, in my heart of hearts, don't think Joe
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  Speaker 2: Biden will run. I can't see how the Democrats could
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  Speaker 2: risk everything on allowing Joe Biden to run that.
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  Speaker 4: I have totally come around to your view, Chris. You've
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  Speaker 4: been saying this for over a year now, that he
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  Speaker 4: will not be the nominee.
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  Speaker 2: They could be stupid enough, and I could be a
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  Speaker 2: late startup for the brown Labe. The big question is
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  Speaker 2: why haven't the Democrats moved earlier. Part of the reason
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  Speaker 2: is that the sort of coverage you've just seen here,
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  Speaker 2: and there are many examples of course, of Biden's failings, well,
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  Speaker 2: they've effectively been censored by much of the US media.
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  Speaker 2: The media and the political operatives have run protection for Biden,
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  Speaker 2: failed to report his worst mistakes, made excuses for him,
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  Speaker 2: and pretended that he's capable and competent. The debate performance
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  Speaker 2: was nothing new. It was no worse than what we've
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  Speaker 2: seen countless times in recent years. The only difference is
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  Speaker 2: that it was live to air this time and the
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  Speaker 2: whole country saw it.
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  Speaker 1: And now it's the talk of the nation, a debate.
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  Speaker 7: And in case you, mister don't worry, so does one
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  Speaker 7: of the contestants. I mean, wow, I mean Trump told
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  Speaker 7: lie after lie after life. He never would have gotten
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  Speaker 7: away with that if Joe Biden was there.
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  Speaker 1: Great stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Now the sitting president has become a punchline. And if
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  Speaker 2: you want to know how voters should judge Joe Biden,
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  Speaker 2: well again we've shown you before. He's tried to give
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  Speaker 2: us the key performance indicators himself.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's a legitimate thing to be concerned about
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  Speaker 6: anyone's age, including mine. I think that's totally legitimate. But
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  Speaker 6: I think the best way to make the judgment is
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  Speaker 6: to to you know, watch me, you know, am I
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  Speaker 6: slowing up to my don't have the same pace as her,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and that old joke. You know, everybody talks
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  Speaker 6: about the you know of the new seventies, fifties and
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  Speaker 6: all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: That old joke, you know, whatever the hell it is.
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  Speaker 1: And watch me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, people have watched him and it's time for him
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  Speaker 2: to wander off.
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  Speaker 1: He slowed down even since that interview.
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  Speaker 2: He's now being hounded from office, sadly, when he should
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  Speaker 2: have organized a succession plan with Dignity earlier. I'll have
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  Speaker 2: more on this with Kristen Tate later, including on the
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  Speaker 2: role Jill Biden is playing. We saw the famous Glastonbury
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  Speaker 2: Music festival in Britain over the weekend, with top line
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  Speaker 2: acts including Coldplay. The three day festival attracted huge crowds
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  Speaker 2: and a bit of political posturing as usual, including a
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  Speaker 2: seven minute period of silence for peace, and there were
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  Speaker 2: lots of Palestinian flags on display at art as some
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  Speaker 2: of the artists were wearing Palestinian scarves and the like,
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  Speaker 2: which I find pretty distasteful and offensive when you think
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  Speaker 2: about the context. You see, if you want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about Middle East politics and music festivals, surely you'd be
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  Speaker 2: mindful of the Nova Music Festival in Israel just over
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  Speaker 2: eight months ago, mainly young people enjoying music and celebrating peace,
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  Speaker 2: and they were slaughtered.
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  Speaker 1: A warning.
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  Speaker 2: This is always difficult stuff to discuss, but yes, that
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  Speaker 2: was the festival Humas turned into a killing field where
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  Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty four people were slaughtered, were killed,
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  Speaker 2: were murdered, where young women were shot at point blank range,
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  Speaker 2: where they were raped and murdered, their bodies mutilated, and
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  Speaker 2: where some of them were taken as hostages, many still
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  Speaker 2: unaccounted for. Yep, Glastonbury should have shown solidarity for the
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  Speaker 2: people of the Nova Music Festival, for the Israelis killed
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  Speaker 2: and taken, for the hostages still in the hands of terrorists,
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  Speaker 2: for the innocence that was desecrated, and for the way
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  Speaker 2: the peace piece of a music festival was violated by
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  Speaker 2: unspeakable evil. Instead, Glastonbury flew the Palestinian flag.
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  Speaker 1: They flew the flag of.
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  Speaker 2: A cause the Humas terrorists claimed as motivation for their atrocities.
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  Speaker 2: What a perversity for another music festival to take up
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  Speaker 2: that cause. What an insult to all the victims of
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  Speaker 2: October the seventh. Let's go to Camberra now and catch
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  Speaker 2: up with Keith Wallahan, the Liberal member for the Victorian
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  Speaker 2: seat of Menzies.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Keith. Lots to get through and
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  Speaker 1: not much time.
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  Speaker 2: I want to start off first on news poll. Both
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  Speaker 2: major parties went backwards, but a big drop for the
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  Speaker 2: Coalition three points off the primary vote. You must worry
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  Speaker 2: that this shows your nuclear plan is going to be
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  Speaker 2: a very hard Selm.
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  Speaker 8: We will never look at poles to decide how to
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  Speaker 8: prosecute a good case for the national interest. And if
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  Speaker 8: we had looked to polls and other issues for instance
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  Speaker 8: like the Voice and you and I had different positions
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  Speaker 8: on that, but I owed it to my electorate to
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  Speaker 8: give my personal view and to prosecute it fairly and
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  Speaker 8: also with respect for those who had a different view.
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  Speaker 1: Same with this.
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  Speaker 8: We will lean into this argument and present a vision
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  Speaker 8: for the energy future of Australian twenty fifty. I think
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  Speaker 8: that is a good thing for the nation. We've only
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  Speaker 8: just started the debate, but let's bring it on further.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's early days and I think all
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  Speaker 2: the logic, all the facts steck up on your side,
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  Speaker 2: so we'll keep going on those facts. I've got some
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  Speaker 2: more on energy with another guest in just a moment,
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  Speaker 2: just on cost of living. Here's a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: what the Prime Minister had to say.
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  Speaker 3: I know that families, many of them, are doing it
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  Speaker 3: really tough, but they would have done it tougher if
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  Speaker 3: the inflation rate was the same as.
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  Speaker 1: The one that we inherited, which was six percent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough, but it would have been worse. That's
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  Speaker 2: a hard argument to prosecute. Also, it comes on the
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  Speaker 2: day when we see the new governor general sworn in.
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  Speaker 2: She's gone from a five hundred thousand dollars salary her
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  Speaker 2: predecessor was on to seven hundred thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: To me, this sends all the wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Message to voters and taxpayers about what governments are doing
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  Speaker 2: with our tax dollars and about the indulgence of the
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  Speaker 2: political class. But the coalition didn't oppose this. Why not
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  Speaker 2: oppose that indulgence.
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  Speaker 1: For good reason?
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  Speaker 8: There would be easy politics to come on any show
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  Speaker 8: and say how out of touch and terrible that is.
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  Speaker 8: But if you go to our Constitution, which is the
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  Speaker 8: guidebook for our democracy, Section three outlines the salary for
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  Speaker 8: the Governor General and it says in the absence of
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  Speaker 8: the Parliament deciding it is a salary of ten thousand
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  Speaker 8: British pounds. Now, if you adjust that for inflation and
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  Speaker 8: the exchange rate, that would add up to a salary
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  Speaker 8: of two point nine million dollars. So the Parliament has
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  Speaker 8: exercised that power in Section three. And it is appropriate
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  Speaker 8: that the head of the executive branch of government, which
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  Speaker 8: the Governor General is, should have a salary that is
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  Speaker 8: equivalent to or more than the Chief Justice of the
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  Speaker 8: High Court, and certainly the Prime Minister. I don't think
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  Speaker 8: there's anything unusual in the salary there.
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  Speaker 1: How about those fathers of Federation?
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  Speaker 2: How you we're actually getting getting her on the chief Now,
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  Speaker 2: I've got to get to Fatima payment. Now a senator
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  Speaker 2: Fatimer payment, the Muslim senator from Western Australia now could
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  Speaker 2: be lost to labor. Anthony Albanez. He suspended her yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: He was really weak on her last week. He's finally,
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  Speaker 2: i think, reacted to pressure from his own colleagues and
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  Speaker 2: suspended her now. But he says it's not actually about
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  Speaker 2: the Middle East policy. He's suspended her for being a
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  Speaker 2: political distraction.
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  Speaker 1: How weak is that?
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  Speaker 8: Well, he's said his inside voice has come out loud.
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  Speaker 8: That was an extraordinary thing to admit that his motive
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  Speaker 8: for doing this was that he was annoyed that the
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  Speaker 8: distraction from the talking points of the day. He should
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  Speaker 8: be making those decisions based on principle. But Chris can
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  Speaker 8: I say this, it's an important point to make. I'm
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  Speaker 8: a veteran of the war in Afghanistan. I went three times.
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  Speaker 8: Fatima Payment is from Afghanistan and has served in our parliament.
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  Speaker 8: And we have as a Liberal Party an Afghanistan born
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  Speaker 8: candidate in Bruce Sahid Safi. Can I just say, what
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  Speaker 8: a wonderful thing it is about our nation that someone
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  Speaker 8: born in Afghanistan can serve in the Senate. So the
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  Speaker 8: Labor Party and well now it was the Labor Party
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  Speaker 8: and someone can serve as our candidate in the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 8: We often talk down our country and people are quick
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  Speaker 8: to criticize and kick it when it's down, But that
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  Speaker 8: says a lot about who we are and what our
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  Speaker 8: democracy is. So this is a matter for the Labor
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  Speaker 8: Party to sort out. The gauntlet has been thrown down
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  Speaker 8: for the Prime Minister. He has responded very late, and
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  Speaker 8: his motives really should be questioned.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I think it's a very good point you make.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: It's wonderful that someone like Fatima Payment can get into
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  Speaker 2: our Senate. But I find it almost inconceivable that she
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  Speaker 2: would give succa, any succa, to an organization like Humas,
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  Speaker 2: which would seek to impose of the people in the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East the same sort of illness regime she fled
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  Speaker 2: from Afghanistan from. But she fled here from to escape
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  Speaker 2: with her family from Afghanistan. But we'll have to get
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  Speaker 2: back onto that topic another time. Really appreciate you joining McKeith,
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  Speaker 2: Keith wellahand the Liberal member for Menzies joining us from Campbell.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get back into the energy debate now with an expert.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Rennie joins us often from the company Rennie, he
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: is the CEO.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: He joins me from Brisbane. Thanks for joining us again, Matt.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: On the back of that system plan released by the
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Energy Market Regulator last week, you've had a good look
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: at it and your analysis is pretty disturbing because you're
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: saying they're under selling the problem because not only have
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: we got coal fire generating in a dispatchable power coming out,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: not only are we behind schedule rolling out all the
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: batteries and renewables that they say we need, but also
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the demand for electricity is going to go through the
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: roof over the next twenty or thirty years. Just how
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: much of a crisis do you think we're in and
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: what's your solution?
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well, Chris, I'm a little concerned for a couple
• 19:08
  Speaker 9: of reasons. The ISP released last Thursday and makes clear
• 19:12
  Speaker 9: a few things. The Nash electricity market's about sixty gigawatts
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: at the moment. It says that we're going to be
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: rising to about three hundred gigawatts by twenty fifty and
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: something like two hundred and twenty gigawatts by twenty forty. Now,
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: just to put that in perspective, the largest coalfide power
• 19:29
  Speaker 9: stations about three gigawats, So that's a pretty big rise.
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: And it's caused by electric vehicles, which are along with
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: other electrical appliances that are tripling the demand of households,
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: and also the withdrawal of gas and the like, And
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: so that enormous demand needs to be met from somewhere,
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: and what we're hearing from our email is it'll be
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: met by renewables and batteries and on shore wind and
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: solar obviously, but a very very large part in rooftop
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: solar and top batteries which are paid for by the customer.
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: And I guess I've got some concerns as to whether
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: that's actually going to happen.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a massive shoe.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I think there's a graft here that from their plan
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: that demonstrates all this, and a large chunk of that,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: as you say, is expected to be provided by consumers
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: putting the batteries into their garages and solar panels onto
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: their roof. The thing here is, Matt, I think the
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: big question that doesn't get addressed often enough is the
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: plan that labor and a EMO and the greens and the.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Tills are all headed towards it. Are renewables.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: It's not renewables only we know that, but it's priority renewables.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: It's eighty two percent renewables. No one's done it before,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: can it be done?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I know? In South Australia at the moment, for instance, they've.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Got a wind that if it was all blowing at once,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: could supply double their capacity, and sol are about the same,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: but of course.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: It never is. Yet they're always short of power.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Surely we need an enormous amount, at the very least
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: an enormous.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Amount of gas generation to kick in when the renewables.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Are not delivering, and we're going to need that gas
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: generation forever.
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: Chris, I'm tending to the view that there's going to
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: be a shortfall of supply in that mid twenty thirty
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: five twenty forty period, And when we look at what
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: we should be doing now as a nation, it's really
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: thinking about what we'll do in the event that our
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: plans don't come off. Certainly, the renewables and battery and
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: hydro future is one that everybody's prosecuting as fast as
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: they can, and they should. We should be building as
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: much transmission as we can, We should be building as
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: many renewables as we can. People like expert Solar Solutions
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: that all those soul of people should be getting up
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: on roofs as much as they can and really putting
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: as much as they can into the system in order
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: to keep it. But I still think we're going to
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: fall short, and if we're honest about what that means
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: when we fall short, we saw it two years ago.
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: Prices go up by a lot. People find it difficult
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: to pay their bills and ultimately we're going to need
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: generation that can turn on quickly and we will turn
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: to gas. There's no doubt about that at that time.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, gas is the answer in the introm and the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: long term, whether we go nuclear or not. And the
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: nuclear argument means even with nuclear which still have a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: huge share of the renewables and probably a lot of
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: gas as well.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: So we will see, we'll keep on it and we'll
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: talk to you again, Matt. I appreciate your time.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Matt ready there from Reay Advisory based in Brisbane.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: We're going to get to the break.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: On the other side, going to catch up with Gematon
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Uni and Caroline Derusso talk about a strange new ad
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: campaign in Victoria wait till you see it, and we'll
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: take up the energy issues and households strugging to pay
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: their bills while they got the general cops that extra
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars pay rise.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Gemma and Caro always sort out the problems of the
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: world for us.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Joining me here on the desk. Gematon Uni from gtais
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and in the West it's Caroline. They're also host of
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the Royal Report.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Great to see your Caro did you watch the debate,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: give us your your pithy assessment.
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: Oh, it was traumatic to watch, And it's one of
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: those things for me. It's kind of like watching Kath
• 23:13
  Speaker 10: and Kim, where you look at it and you're so
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: embarrassed for what's going on on screen your throat titans up.
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: And that's how I felt about the US debate.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: It was not an awesome performance from either of the candidates.
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: Quite frankly, obviously, you know, Trump still has his faculties,
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: which puts him way ahead of the current serving president.
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: But it was dire and I don't think anyone watching
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: that is living in hope.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Just incredible.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I found that harder to watch on Friday, Jimmy than
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: some of the footy I've seen this year.
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean, who knew there were such great golfers?
• 23:47
  Speaker 11: I mean, who knew they were such outstanding golfers?
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: And we're actually debating whether who's got the what it
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: does get to Biden, he's trying to talk people for
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: six handicap.
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: I mean, I've said this before on air, and I
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: don't say this lightly. My late father had cognitive, severe
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: cognitive decline in the last year of his life and
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: he was unable to drive apart from the fact that
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: it was an amputee, but he was not cognitively okay.
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: Yet he was significantly better than President Joe Biden. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: if I was his child, I would feel this is
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: disturbing for me because I've seen what it's like to
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: have a parent go down that road and you want
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: to protect them. You do everything you can to protect them,
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: and yet this man has just been hung out like
• 24:32
  Speaker 11: a carrot on the end of the stick, like a puppet.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: That's not protecting him, they're abusing him. Really tell me this, Caro.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: It shocks me that so many people have been shocked
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: by this. I tried to explain it at the top
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: of the show. I think there are vast there's a
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: huge section, probably the majority of the population in Australia.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And the US and elsewhere who haven't seen much of this.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: The media have kind of censored it from him, and
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: here it was in front of their eyes for the
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: first time. They only saw the debate on Friday. What
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: we've been seeing on and off for the last couple
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: of years.
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: And this year highlights the importance Chris of reading across
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: a different political different sorry media mast heads every single
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: day because this has been pushed into the background for
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: you know, and I mean this has been going on
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: for some time. I mean, this is something that it
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: often gets talked about on Sky and to be honest,
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: we you know, copped a fair bit of flag for
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: it in the early earlier days, but it was still
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: obvious then. But it was even interesting just watching the
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: sum of the commentary on the debate and some media
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: commentators were like, oh, Biden looks a little tired today,
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: and I'm like, really, is that where you're still not
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: really being honest about this? But you know, the fact
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: of the matter is the truth is somewhere out there,
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: and you should read and watch across all the media
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: spectrum because the truth is there somewhere in the middle.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Well, the question is going to be who they put
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: up now. I've been checking the betting markets for.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Over a year on this stuff.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: And Gretchen Whitmer, the Michigan governor, and Gavin Newsom, the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: California gavernor, and of course the hail Mary passed for
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: them is to convince Michelle Obama to take the gig.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: What do you think will happen?
• 26:17
  Speaker 11: I don't actually know and I'm really comfortable saying that.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: I mean, Gavin Newsom has done a spectacular job of
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: ruining the state of California, so let him loose on
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: the greater country itself. Gretchen, I don't think she's got
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: enough broader traction. Michelle Obama, I don't think she's stupid enough,
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: And I don't think she'd want to walk into to that.
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: I mean, look again, I'm sort of thinking as a
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: normal person. I have no idea what pop floats they
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: bot But my other question, genuinely is is the country
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: too much of a basket case like this? First, for
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: absolute power, you'd have to be bonkers to want to
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: walk into that situation and be saddled with the enormity
• 26:56
  Speaker 11: of the responsibility. And that's what people seem to forget.
• 26:58
  Speaker 11: This is such a work for the public. The public,
• 27:01
  Speaker 11: the country is crying out for leadership, it's crying out
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: for coherency, it's crying out for it, like sovereign borders,
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: all of the basics. I don't know who, and I
• 27:11
  Speaker 11: don't know how ideologically wedded to something you have to
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: be to respond to that debate with nice fie tired exactly.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: It's incredible.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: The word. The only person who's seriously not worried about
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: it is Joe Biden because he doesn't know what's going on. Now,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: let's bring it back home and the latest stats Carrow
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: on electricity bills and the financial pressure they're putting on
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: people one hundred and twenty seven thousand customers just in
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: New South Wales, essentially saying we can't pay our bills,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: dig us out of here to the companies. This is
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: where the political divide is so extreme, where where the.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Tills and the political class.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: They can't imagine the struggle to pay the power bill.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: They don't understand what a huge impact this is on families.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Therefore politically incredibly potent.
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: And this goes back to the answer that I just gave.
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: This is why it is so important to read a
• 28:10
  Speaker 10: variety of material to understand what's going on in the
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: real world. This is a surprise to no one. I mean,
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: there have been many commentators and many people in the
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: political class who have been yelling from the rooftops about
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: a cost of living crisis, about a potential energy crisis
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: for eighteen months, and it's like it's only since after
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: the referendum that you know, a whole bunch of people
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: finally got on board and realized things might be a
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: bit tough for a few people that you know wasn't
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: really in their social circles, so they didn't actually realize
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: how much of a significant problem this was. And then
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: you think about the way that the governments are trying
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: to address this. We now have governments that are subsidizing
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: renewable energy projects at the project stage. We've got sub
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: subsidization the wholesale level, and now we also have su subsidization.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: At the retail level.
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: And somehow we still have this situation where everyday Australians
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: who are dealing with mortgages and increases in insurance that's
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: been big this week and other inflationary issues, cannot pay
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: something as fundamental as a power bill. And it's like,
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: there's this whole bunch of people in the political class
• 29:26
  Speaker 10: who have only just worked out this as an issue.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: It is insane and we'll keep on it, but I
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: want to move on to something else.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Because when governments can't.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Do the basics like supply reliable and affordable energy to us,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: they get involved in all their social campaigns telling us
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: how to feel being patronizing to us, and the Victorian
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: government have a look at this at the Victorian government
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: is trying to tell us to be nice to trans people.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Apparently we don't know to be nice to other human
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: beings ourselves, so they have to make ads to.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Tell us how to behave.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Now, the ad starts Jemma with examples of people being
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: mean and ignoring trans people, not letting them sit next
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to them, and then that shows, oh, actually you're supposed
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to be nice to them.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: How insulting is this and how necessary is this?
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean, Victoria's a failed state, so let's start
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: with that. But the second thing, there's another ad that's
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: doing the rounds in this suite of ads, which shows
• 30:30
  Speaker 11: a woman in a lift with a trans person and
• 30:34
  Speaker 11: she feels uncomfortable and the woman leaves the lift, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 11: the inference of that ad is, oh, you're being really mean.
• 30:40
  Speaker 11: You're really mean. You need to stay in the lift
• 30:41
  Speaker 11: with that person. And look, I can tell you it
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: doesn't matter. As a woman, it doesn't matter who I'm
• 30:49
  Speaker 11: in a lift with, or who I'm in a car with,
• 30:52
  Speaker 11: or who I'm in a position with walking down the
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: street with.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I don't care.
• 30:55
  Speaker 11: If it's a man, a woman, a person who's trans, gay, straight,
• 30:58
  Speaker 11: brindle black, whatever. If I feel unsafe for whatever reason,
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: that is my prerogative and my responsibility to act on that.
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: And I the Victorian government should be ashamed of itself
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: because you are gaslighting women to say that your feelings
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: are not valid, because you need to make you need
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: to make a cohort of people, you know, feel okay.
• 31:20
  Speaker 11: If a woman is in any situation with any other
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: person of any other iteration and she feels unsafe, that
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: is her prerogative.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Great point.
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: And I just.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Cannot believe this stuff.
• 31:31
  Speaker 11: And I was going to use a swear word, but
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: then I'd have to put money in my mind swear.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about it in those terms.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I did think though, of the welcoming the trans footy
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: player into the women's footy team.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: That's easy enough to welcome into your team.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: The issue is the other team, the other girls who
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: have to play against the trands.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: That's where that's where you've got to.
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: The whole around the player. Hannah Mountcie.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: It's safety.
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: It's a safety issue, So okay, be welcoming, but what
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: right does another player have to be put into a
• 31:59
  Speaker 11: place of people and.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: That I'm need to be told by Gavin. Thanks for
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: joining us, Caro and Jim. I really appreciate it. But
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to get to a break on the other side, going
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: to catch up with that Paul Murray on those latest
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: news Paul results. Plus we'll cross to the US for
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: another look at Sleepy Joe's disastrous debate. We've got to
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: do more on Friday's debate, as you and I myself
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: from Kristen Tight we're predicting for of course these debates
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: we're going to be disastrous.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: So let's slip Kristen take it from here.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Yes, I mean this.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Could have been the most consequential presidential debate in at
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: least modern political history. It's done for Joe Biden. I mean,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: it could not have been more of a disaster. During
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: and after that debate, Chris I received so many exasperated
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: and panic messages from liberals, some of whom I haven't
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: even heard from from a decade, stating that they were
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: in complete shock over Biden's physical and mental state.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: And every single one of.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: These Democrats told me that they think he needs to
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: step down and be replaced with another candidate. And it's
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: not just voters saying this, Chris, it is the elite
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: of the elite in.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: The Democratic Party.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: The New York Times itself, the editor editorial board said
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: that he needs to step down at this point. And
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: it's not just them The New York or The Economist.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Many other publications have done the same. So the President
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: was at Camp David this weekend. Apparently he met with
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: his family to discuss what he will do moving forward.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: But I've read that his family, especially Hunter Biden, who
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: has been a key player in his advisory, has said
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: that he should stick it out. So I don't know
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: what's going to happen if he refuses to leave and
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: all the powers that be want him gone.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Look, it's extraordinary staff, and I think, as you say,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: that editorial board of the New York Times calling for
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: him to stand down as the president to not seek
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: a second term is very telling. The New York Times
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: is the bible of the liberal lift in the United States.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Of Coolsman, I want to talk about a dynamic. He
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: that was surprising to our viewers.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Kristen, but I think it's very important to the dynamic
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: in the United States, and that is while we've been
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: highlighting for years all the classic examples of where Joe
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Biden is losing his way and stumbling and bumbling and
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: showing that he's not up to the job. The media,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the mainstream media in the US, hasn't really focused on
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: that a lot, so people might have been surprised when
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: they switched on the debate and watched it they saw
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: stuff like this, perhaps the first time.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: Making sure that we continue to supreme strength in our
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: healthcare system, making sure that we're able to make every
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: do with the with the COVID, I could be with
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: dealing with everything we have to do with Look if
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: we finally beat Medicare, thank.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: You, President Bio.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Baden completely lost, Kristen, completely confused, and oh way to
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: hide and no media manipulation able to draw attention away
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: from it.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, I mean to your point earlier, though, it's kind
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: of mind blowing to me how shocked Democrat voters are
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: about Biden's poor mental and physical state. I mean, every
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: single week you and I are talking about some new
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: mortifying incident exposing the fact that he's basically been a
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: house plant for the last few years. But I guess
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: you know, so many liberals they just blindly believe whatever
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: the media tells them.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: And the media and the Democrats.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: They thought that they could control reality by controlling the narrative.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: They do this with everything. They do this with the
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: open border, which they tell us is secure.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: They do it with our cities, where they tell us
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: crime is actually totally under control.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: And they were doing it with.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Joe Biden telling us he's totally with it. He's the
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: smartest guy in the room. Green John Pear gets up
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: there at the podium and tells us, oh, he's never
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: been sharper. But every once in a while, Chris reality
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: pokes through and exposes the truth, and in this case,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: it has completely shattered their phone narrative about Joe Biden.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: So now the entire establishment on the Democrat side is panicked.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: And they don't know what to do.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Absolutely now. I think one of the aspects of the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: debate that.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Hasn't got enough attention is that Donald Trump was a
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: little bit more disciplined that we're used to seeing him.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was a weird debate in many ways.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: There's lots of trump isms in there, but he didn't
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: go over the top, and that allowed him to have
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: that contrast to the focus to fall onto Joe Biden.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And I want to.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Just play this clip because this just showed that the
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: gentlest little niggle where Donald Trump was pointing out to
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: the whole audience, the whole of the US and indeed
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: the free world, what was going on here.
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: And I'm going to continue to move until we get
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: the total band on, the total initiative relative to what
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: we're going to do with more border patrol and more
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: a cybum officers.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the end of this.
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: I don't think he knows what he said.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty gentle, it was pretty telling, and
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: it was a good performance from Trump, wasn't it, Kristen.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, very restrained. He did have some great moments in there,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: but overall kind of a boring debate performance. But that
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: was what was so key about it. If this election
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: is a referendum on Trump, Trump loses. If it's a
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: referendum on Joe Biden, Biden loses, And because we're all
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: talking about Joe Biden, it's kind of becoming a referendum
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: on him. Nobody's really talking about Trump. He was very restrained,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: and he kind of let Joe Biden expose himself for
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: how weak he is, both physically and mentally.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to the ramifications from all this,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: and first up, I want to show what Joe Biden
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: had to say about the debate the following day.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: This is pretty telling too. I don't want because easy
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: as I used to. I don't speak as smooth as
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I used to. I don't debate as well as I
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: used to. But I know what I do know. I
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: know how to tell the truth.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, the president basically having to admit
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: his own problems. He says he knows what he does know,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: which is probably not difficult because it's not looking like very.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Much these days.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: And then we had the I suppose the humiliation really
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: of seeing Jill Biden, his wife, having us speak for him.
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: Have a looked, Jo, you did such a great job.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: You answered every question you can. Yeah, it's a bad look,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: isn't a Christen?
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: And she's rivving up the crowd and he's just sort
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: of standing there frozen with his mouth the gape.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Is she the person?
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Is Jill Biden the one you think he was most
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: strongly advising him to try and stay in the race.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Well, that's kind of what's so scary, Chris, is we
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: don't know who's really in charge here. I certainly think
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Jill Biden is advising her husband to stay in the
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: race because she's clearly power hungry and she's guilty of
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: what appears to.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Be older of.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: However, we don't know if she's the one, you know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: behind the curtain actually controlling things. And that's what's terrifying
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: so many voters right now. Many people are waking up
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: to the fact that we have no idea who has
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: been in control of the United States of America for
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: the last three years.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: It is certainly not Joe Biden.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: He can't even walk down a couple of stairs by himself,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: let alone make serious decisions about the national security of
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: our country. So we've been governed by a shadow government
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: with a literal corpse as the figurehead, and people are
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: waking up to that and they're scared.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Extraordinary stuff.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Christin, We've been talking about it endlessly for years, and
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: finally it's coming to fruition and anything could happen in
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the US any dy now, and will look forward.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: To catching up again sounds great, Chris, thank you well.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: An absolute clustermiss in the Great Republic. Joining me now
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: on the day is the great Paul Murray in early
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: for Paul Murray Life.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: But I want to talk to you about Australian polosts stuff.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: You're going to give me something on the US.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: How can we have these two blokes duking it out
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: for the presidency?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: It seems just almost obscene. Well, we're talking.
• 40:09
  Speaker 13: About it before where it is amazing that Okay, we
• 40:11
  Speaker 13: all saw what we saw at the end last week.
• 40:13
  Speaker 13: It is as bad as it seems, So of course
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: he's got to drop out.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Did you other think I get found guilty.
• 40:19
  Speaker 13: Of thirty four different criminal charges. Look, I'll take Trump
• 40:22
  Speaker 13: over Biden a thousand times a day. But it is
• 40:26
  Speaker 13: amazing as well to watch his family coalesce and all
• 40:29
  Speaker 13: the people that were wedding the bet a couple of
• 40:31
  Speaker 13: days ago and now pretending to dry it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: So they all want their gravy train to keep going
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: right correct, you know, and a lot of money is
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: tied up in it.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: It's going to be fascinating to watch.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: They might need supper to go up there with a
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: swat team to camp David to force them to do
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: the right thing.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Now news poll is fascinating.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: At the moment we're getting close enough to the election cycle,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I think you start to look at the pole seriously,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: a three point drop for the Coalition would have hurt them.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Labor went backwards tools though, I mean it's not surprising
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: still this sort of this pot on both the major parties.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: But do you think this is a nuclear policy backlash?
• 41:04
  Speaker 13: Well, if the loudest thing in the room was happening
• 41:09
  Speaker 13: during the two weeks, we can't ignore it. As well
• 41:12
  Speaker 13: as that the previous poll about a week ago after
• 41:17
  Speaker 13: it had all been announced, was that there was twenty
• 41:19
  Speaker 13: two percent undecided. The News Pole number has a lower
• 41:22
  Speaker 13: number of undecided and a higher number of disapproval. So
• 41:26
  Speaker 13: we just put that trend together about trying to work
• 41:29
  Speaker 13: out how much is left to be convinced. Interestingly, the
• 41:33
  Speaker 13: Greens went up a little bit in this pole. Now again,
• 41:36
  Speaker 13: whether that is a reaction to nuclear, whether that's a
• 41:39
  Speaker 13: reaction to Assange, whether it's a reaction to Fato matt like,
• 41:42
  Speaker 13: who knows. But the idea that basically was kind of
• 41:45
  Speaker 13: good for the far left one nation didn't do any
• 41:48
  Speaker 13: business different.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: So I look at this.
• 41:51
  Speaker 13: As I want to frame the market of where everyone
• 41:54
  Speaker 13: is to work out how many people are there to
• 41:56
  Speaker 13: be won, and there has to be and I just
• 41:58
  Speaker 13: take undersided and cut in half. If that number gets
• 42:01
  Speaker 13: you below fifty, then you're in trouble. And so it's tight.
• 42:05
  Speaker 13: It's very tight.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: It's a three point drop is significant right at one
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: point drop either way doesn't really matter for labor. They
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: think that's constantly it's three points significant. I think it
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: could be the nuclear thing, but I think it's early days.
• 42:16
  Speaker 13: That's the point. So again, so the way that I've
• 42:20
  Speaker 13: been critical, we've talked about it. I've been critical of
• 42:22
  Speaker 13: the role out here right now anyone paying actual attention.
• 42:26
  Speaker 13: We knew the locations basically in the budget and reply speech,
• 42:30
  Speaker 13: which was existing places. Then it was oh where are
• 42:33
  Speaker 13: the locations? Well, hang on, I already told you. So
• 42:35
  Speaker 13: they doubled down. Then it's how are you going to
• 42:36
  Speaker 13: pay for it? To me, I think that you know
• 42:40
  Speaker 13: these areas are going to get out and they all
• 42:42
  Speaker 13: get free power. They need to start putting the sweeteners
• 42:45
  Speaker 13: on it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: They're going to do a bit more of that.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: The other thing they've got to keep reminding people that
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: what the government's doing now and going to work and
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: is more expensive exactly, let's think and is more expensive
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: and is more expensive? Great stuff. Paul see it tonight,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Paul Murray Live back at nine o'clock tonight. Take a break.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Now on the other side, we'll catch up with Sophie
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Osworth as we do every Monday, to talk about media.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: We've actually seen mainstream media look at the pandemic response
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: for a change.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I'll had that after the break.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Now, as you know, I reckon our pandemic response was
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: a disgrace.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: It was over the top.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Too many lockdowns, too many restrictions, too many border closures,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: schools should never have been closed, vaccines never should have
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: been mandatory, and all the rest of it. Now, as
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: a result, we've of course incurred more debt, We've done
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: damage to our young people, we've lost lives, and we've
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: created ongoing trauma.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Now, you know, I've ventilated these issues.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: All along, and I've spoken of many experts about it,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: and I've pushed hard for a proper royal commission into this.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: One of the reasons this won't happen, though, is both
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: major parties are week on this they both overreacted to
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the pandemic, and neither side wants a proper examination, which
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: is really a dereliction of duty from them. But another
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: reason is the media helped to fuel the fear and
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: push for the over the top responses, so they haven't
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: really pushed for a proper post mortem either. So I'm
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: pleased to say that on Channel seven Spotlight program last night,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: they actually joined the debate about what we got right
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and of course we got some things right and what
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: we got wrong. And we finally saw some mainstream media
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: considering some of the contrarian views on this massive issue,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: like that very wise economist Gigi Fosters.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: She joined us, He's often joined us have a look.
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: Was that the right policy to take not just from
• 44:33
  Speaker 14: the perspective of how many people do we lose from COVID,
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: but rather how did we do as a whole in
• 44:38
  Speaker 14: aggregate in terms of human health, wealth, longevity, quality of life.
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: And from that perspective, I think that the hard border
• 44:45
  Speaker 14: closures were completely disproportionate to the threat that COVID posed.
• 44:48
  Speaker 14: And this was essentially the problem throughout the pandemic years
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: is that before twenty twenty, we had a pandemic management
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: plan in place. That was the distillation of public health
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: knowledge for decades and it did not ever any situation
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: advocate for lockdowns of healthy populations.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: But we forgot about that.
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: We bend it in our fear and that was one
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: of the first errors that our authority figures made, was
• 45:11
  Speaker 14: not to tamp down the fear.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And Anastasia, were you operating in fear?
• 45:14
  Speaker 15: I think everyone was very concerned that. You've got to
• 45:16
  Speaker 15: remember when we first heard about COVID, there was no vaccine.
• 45:21
  Speaker 15: Thousands and thousands of people were going to lose their
• 45:23
  Speaker 15: lives in Queensland alone. I had the prospect of being
• 45:27
  Speaker 15: told that thirty thousand people are likely to die.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Anastasia Palisho there shakes my head.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Sophie Ellsworth, media writer for The Australian,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: and joins us now, Sophie, thanks for joining us. Unusual
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: to see the mainstream media get into this.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: It was quite a good program.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: They spoke to people who have been badly affected by vaccines.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: They talked about those issues of lockdowns and the like.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: There hasn't been a lot of this in the media
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: since the pandemic as there.
• 45:56
  Speaker 12: Well, there certainly hasn't been, Chris, and that's been to
• 45:59
  Speaker 12: the detriment of the public, both here in Australia and internationally. Look,
• 46:04
  Speaker 12: I thought it was a pretty good episode of Spotlight. However,
• 46:08
  Speaker 12: I do think that it was lacking about the severity
• 46:11
  Speaker 12: of the lockdowns. You know, you had punters out there
• 46:14
  Speaker 12: in the street being shot with here in Victoria rubber bullets.
• 46:18
  Speaker 12: You had grandma's on park benches being told they couldn't
• 46:22
  Speaker 12: sit there. I mean, playgrounds cordoned off. All of those
• 46:26
  Speaker 12: horrifying memories that many of us have etched in our minds.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: Still beggars belief.
• 46:32
  Speaker 12: And I am critical of the media, Chris, because I
• 46:35
  Speaker 12: believe the large contingency of the media here in Australia
• 46:39
  Speaker 12: and overseas went along with this.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I think you spot On, I think they could have
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: gone harder, but I thought it was great to see
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: that they're ventilating some of those issues. You're going to
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: remind yourself there are still people today who are not
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: allowed to work because they haven't been vaccinated, and that
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: is outrageous and I think the media should do more
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: on that, and the governments should be ashamed of themselves,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: not overturning those vaccine man dates. Let's go to someone
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: else who I think went way way off the chart.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: See when it comes to the impact of social media
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: on our young people. This is Meta's vice president and
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: global head of Safety, Antigony Davis, speaking in the Senate
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Committee last week.
• 47:17
  Speaker 14: I don't think that social media has done harm to
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: our children. I think that social media has provides tremendous benefits.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Okay and Sophie, you've been all over this, but this
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: is extraordinary.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Of course, social media involves benefits. We all know what
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the benefits are.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: But to deny that it has been harmed to young
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: people from social media is absolutely false, is to deny reality.
• 47:45
  Speaker 12: I think, Chris, some of the Meta executives that were
• 47:48
  Speaker 12: giving testimony, if they honestly think that social media has
• 47:52
  Speaker 12: not been detrimental to the population, in concluding young people,
• 47:56
  Speaker 12: they have their heads in the sand.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: Chris.
• 47:58
  Speaker 12: Some of the content that is on social media is
• 48:02
  Speaker 12: incredibly damn damaging, particularly around eating disorders, mental health. You
• 48:07
  Speaker 12: know issues have arisen from social media. There's no doubt
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: about that. The pressure on young people these days, the
• 48:14
  Speaker 12: bullying on social media. I was really astounded by some
• 48:18
  Speaker 12: of these comments, and so were the politicians that were
• 48:21
  Speaker 12: at that hearing calling out, including Andrew Wallace, the liberal politician.
• 48:26
  Speaker 12: He did call out some of the commentary by the
• 48:29
  Speaker 12: Meta executives on this.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd love to know, wouldn't you about so many
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: of these people who work at Meta and the social media,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the digital giants, what policies they have in place for
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: their own children and social media. I bet they've got
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: every trick in the book to make sure that they
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: try and protect their own children from.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: The worst of it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Just finally, Sophie on the ABC, you've been following up
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: on this as a board there was a board media
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: of the ABC.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: We don't know whether Laura.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Tingle, who is a board member, was discussed whether she
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: had to exit the room while they talked about her transgression.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: Well, it's quite curious, Chris.
• 49:03
  Speaker 12: Obviously we had this story in Australian about a month
• 49:06
  Speaker 12: ago where she called Australia a racist country in pete,
• 49:10
  Speaker 12: including calling Peter Dutton accusing him of encouraging racism towards
• 49:16
  Speaker 12: migrants and open home inspections. It was just utterly bizarre.
• 49:20
  Speaker 12: But they did have an ABC board meeting recently just
• 49:24
  Speaker 12: in the last week or two. Really, Laura Tingles should
• 49:28
  Speaker 12: be recusing herself. I would have thought, but it appears
• 49:31
  Speaker 12: that she did not.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating did not you believe she did not?
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Fascinating stuff. So I think we'll see if we can
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: get in all that confirmed. Sophie Ozworth there with all
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: the media news.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: That fits to print. Thanks for joining me another busy program.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow night. Here's Peter Quedlin.