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286. How Hypnosis Helps High-Functioning Anxiety Find Real Relief · The Rochelle Christiane Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Rochelle Christian Podcast.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Rochelle, your host.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm here to help you come back to your body, take charge of your emotions, and live life on your terms.
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  SPEAKER_01: This podcast is a space for raw, real conversations about what it means to trust yourself, lean to your power, and create a life that feels aligned and alive.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll explore human design, astrology, and other tools to help you understand your unique energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: More importantly, though, we're gonna talk about what it means to actually live and embody these aspects.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: So each week I'm gonna share stories, lessons, guidance to help you navigate life's challenges and really own your magic.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're ready to step up, take control, and show up as the most authentic version of you, let's begin.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to another episode on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: This week I'm talking to Patty Tavacci, who is a hypnotherapist who focuses on supporting women with high-functioning anxiety to break free from negative thought patterns and build unshakable confidence from the inside out.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: Through compassionate, results-oriented hypnotherapy, she helps clients rewire subconscious limiting beliefs in order to carry a sense of calm throughout their day, throughout their daily lives.
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  SPEAKER_01: She is committed to helping each client step into their fullest potential and achieve the confidence they deserve.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: And Patty and I actually did a joint session.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think it was in December, if I'm not mistaken.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was before the New Year.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we did sort of a 2025 in review, 2025, 2026 look ahead.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then she guided us through a hypnosis hypnosis session.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was so beautiful.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone that was on the call, you know, reflected how powerful the hypnosis, my words are not coming to me today, which seems to be a theme the last few weeks.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, everybody that was on the call reflected that the hypnosis was just absolutely beautiful, completely grounded them in their body.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm excited to finally bring this episode to you with Patty.
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  SPEAKER_01: She really shares about um her journey with hypnosis, how she came to it, overcoming her own trauma.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: And it is just a really great conversation.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: And this month, as we are navigating a lot of really big transits, like so many.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uranus just stationed direct.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have the new moon eclipse, the year of the fire horse.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're in eclipse season, Mercury stations retrograde, so much going on with Uranus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything is basically going to be square Uranus at some point, um, which is a really big activation.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been really diving into the outer planets more lately and just kind of sitting with the energy because collectively there's so much going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Astrologers, spiritual teachers, um, you know, there's so much about this time and whether you call it the new earth, the new age of Aquarius, timeline jumping.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like there's just so much happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: And astrologically, it really has to do with these outer planets here on this Neptune and Pluto.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I've really been sitting with them and sort of like deep diving into them in my own studies of like what they mean in our individual chart, what they mean collectively.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: And they're just coming together so beautifully.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what they're doing right now is so huge.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're in this little mini triangle that we've been talking about, and just at like a high-level view, the way that they work together, you know, they're generational planets, they take a long time to move through the zodiac.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Uranus takes 84 years, Neptune, I believe it's 165 years, and Pluto is like 248 years.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so the fact that they're all changing into air and fire signs this year.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Jupiter, if we're gonna, you know, talk about Jupiter and Saturn as well, lump them in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, Jupiter moves into Leo, which is a fire sign, Saturn moves into Aries, which is fire sign.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like all of these planets are moving into air and fire, which is really fast energy.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's the mind, it's um, it's really quick, it's intellectual, it's creativity.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're starting something, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Aries is initiatory starting energy.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so with Neptune, specifically, you know, Neptune and Saturn moving in there, this is gonna, this is a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they're gonna be conjunct February 20th.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: I also open the doors for Astro Design Collective.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you do not want to commit to a full year-long um deep dive container, that is Astro Design School, which will be relaunching in Aries season.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: But if you want the monthly support, there will be one live call a month inside there and videos, pre-recorded videos dropped, uh weekly transits, that kind of stuff, you can join below.
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  SPEAKER_01: But our first call is gonna be February 17th.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the eclipse, the new moon, uh the year of the fire horse.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is a really, really huge day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and we're gonna be talking about a lot inside that call.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you want to join, the link is going to be down below.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um yeah, so like learning for me how the inner outer planets, and we'll be diving more deeply into this, but this is a high-level overview, you know, like Uranus is the great awakener, it's showing us truth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Neptune is design love and the dissolution of the ego.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Pluto, we know, is transformation, death, uh, alchemization, healing, intensity, power control, those things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, how they work together is that Neptune being the great awakener.
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  SPEAKER_01: Neptune is awakening us to truths.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Uranus is awakening us to truths, and it's asking for change.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's asking for freedom, it's asking for change, and it's really unpredictable because when we want to change something, it feels uncomfortable for us, right?
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: We have to do something different and we don't know what's on the other side of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's unpredictable.
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: We haven't been there before, so we can't say what's going to happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: And our mind likes to feel safe.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: Our mind likes to feel secure, our mind likes to know what's going to happen.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: So when we're working with Uranus, it's unpredictable because we don't know, which can cause anxiety.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Uranus also rules the nervous system in the electrical impulses and nervous system in the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: Neptune is divine love, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So we want to change something, we're awakening to truths, then we're calling in this divine love, we're dissolving the ego.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's part of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's so many different keywords to Neptune, but this is the core theme of Neptune.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: And then we have Pluto, which, if we're working together, we're awakening to truths, we're calling in divine love, right?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: We're dissolving the ego.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: And if we don't do those things, if we don't dissolve the ego, specifically when we're working with Pluto, um, that's when Pluto becomes the power-hungry, controlling, manipulative sort of energy.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: But if the ego is dissolved, and if it's not dissolved and all those other themes are there, Pluto is going to bring destruction to the ego, right?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's a death theme in Pluto.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pluto will be bring death to your ego if you have not already done that through Neptune, through Uranus Neptune.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and but Pluto is also bringing the subconscious conscious, right?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: Carl Jung says, um, hopefully I don't butcher the quote, but something along the lines of like um basically if bringing if you don't bring the unconscious conscious, it will rule your life and you will call it fate, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So we need to bring the unconscious forward so that we can move.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: And Pluto takes about 20 years to move through a sign.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: So Pluto is slowly, it's like that frog in the boiling water type energy.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's slowly gonna make things uncomfortable in whatever area it is, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right now it's in Aquarius and there's so much going on, but like over the next 20 years, well, till 2044, um, it's slowly making things uncomfortable.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's so slowly you're going to be seeing these things.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: So we have this massive opportunity to heal and alchemize our current experiences and to create awareness and to bring the unconscious conscious and all of these really beautiful things.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: And the fact that all of these planets are doing this dance, they're in this little mini triangle, they're doing this dance together, and it's going to be separating, you know, after uh 2020.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's like the most direct this year, and then it'll begin to like separate.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's just something to notice, something to keep an eye on.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: And the way that I use astrology is, you know, obviously I do the podcast, I have the Substack, I have weekly transits, I have the newsletter, like so I'm constantly aware of it.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: But instead of like living my life by the astrology, I like to notice, right?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because I can't remember who said it, but there was a quote that's like astrology is the map, not the territory.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: And what this means is astrology is a map.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have to have an accurate map to get where you're going, but it is not the territory.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: It is not the actual mountains.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna see the potholes in the road, you're not gonna see the warning signs, you're not gonna see the stoplights, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like astrology is the map, but you are the territory.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: So it is a guiding force, it is a guiding, it is a support.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: And also we have free will.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: There are always opportunities when we look at it from a holistic lens, which is like where my focus is, my teaching embodied human design and embodied astrology because it's like coming into your body.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm also reading Be Here Now by Ramdas.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I've had this book sitting in my room for years, and I just I don't know why I never really read it.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: And as is the way of the universe, there'll be something random that'll point you towards it.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was reading something else, and they were talking about it, and I was like, huh, I have that book.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Let me pull it out.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I started it last night and I'm like absorbed already.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why did I wait so long to read this book?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: But he's talking about, you know, his history with psychedelics, which I was familiar with, his story.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: But he talks about um his name before Ramdas.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: His name was, oh, I forgot was it Alfred?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I actually can't remember in the books on my bed, so I can't grab it right now.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: But his his name of birth, his original name.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: And he was talking about how that name to him, as he was going through these psychedelic experiences with psilocybin, he was beginning to see how that name was tied to labels and conditioning and he was a Harvard professor, but he was like had all the things and the material.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: He had the cars, he had the airplane, he had the license, you know, the pilot license, he had all of these things.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: And yet he still felt like he was missing something, like it wasn't him.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so he was talking about this one night where he did the psychedelic the psychedelic trip, and then he went home at like five o'clock in the morning and decided he was staying with his parents and he decided to like shovel their, it was snowing.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: So he decided to shovel the sidewalk at like five o'clock in the morning, and he said his parents like yelled out their window, like, nobody shovels the snow at 5 a.m.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: And he said he did this little dance and he's like, I'm gonna do it at 5 a.m.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Cause like that was what he wanted to do.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he like kind of laughed about it and he said he saw his parents turn around and kind of like smile, and he was like, That was the first time he felt liberated in his body because he wasn't doing what was expected of him.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: He was doing what he, and it's it's a small example, right?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: But it's always in the small ways.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think that we think that we're have to transform our life in these big grand gestures, but it's like in those small ways where he, you know, his societal uh label or conditioning or whatever was like, who shovels the snow at five o'clock in the morning?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: But he wanted to do it at that time.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was just like what was calling to him, and he just kind of threw the middle finger up at all of his labels and society and like all the things and just shoveled the snow.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: And again, a small example, but I don't know something about that.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, whoa, that is so true.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's like every way that we see our conditioning and choose to choose ourself, to choose our authenticity, to choose our knowing is really beautiful.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so, anyway, this is just uh thoughts that I'm sitting with this week as I'm just exploring and studying and living life and all the things.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: But this conversation is really is good.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: I love hypnotherapy, hypnosis.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's something that I think a lot, there's a lot of misconception around because for a long time I also was thinking it was just, you know, somebody else controlling you and all the things.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, I do nightly self-hypnosis through tubium magnetic uh binaural beats.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Patty offers hypnosis sessions.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I really like what she says too, where she kind of teaches people how to do it for themselves.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a huge part of, you know, why I teach astrology and now why I teach human design, because I want to empower uh women to be able to read their charts themselves, to be able to, you know, it's like that saying, um, teach a man to fish and he'll give a man a fish and he'll eat for a meal or teach teach a man to fish and he'll eat forever.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm totally burched at that saying, but you know what I'm saying.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I teach somebody how to do something for themselves, and also I'm fully aware of not everybody wants to learn astrology, and that is cool.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, I'm I'm obsessed with it.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm always in a sixth line in human design, so I'll always be a teacher of some sort.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, um, enjoy the podcast.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: You can find Patty on Instagram, on threads, inner progress with patty, and then you can find her website, yeah, inner progress with patty on threads on Instagram, and her website is progressivehypnosis.com.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Everything will be linked down below.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: You can follow me on Instagram, Rochelle.christian, R-O-C-H-E-L-L-E.C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N-E.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: TikTok is the same, YouTube is the same.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, everywhere you want to find me, it's Rochelle.christian.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing a 28-day live challenge on Instagram.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: I do this every single year.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: This year I'm just being a little bit more intentional.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: So the theme is from the mind into the body, really about being embodied during these times.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so if you don't follow me on Instagram, head over there.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: All the lives will be posted to my page.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: So if you miss them, totally fine.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: They're all gonna be on my page.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's been a lot of fun to do so far.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: And for whatever reason, live stuff has always been the thing that like makes me anxious.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of always been my challenge to um evolve myself, I guess, and move through that fear of uh, I think I can't remember where I read this, but they said public speaking is actually the number one like biggest fear in the world.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it makes so much sense.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: And not to say that IG lives are public speaking, but it's the the principle, I guess, or the the thing.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's my little challenge every year to get past that fear uh of public speaking, I guess, in a way.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, enjoy the episode and I will talk to you soon.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the podcast.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Today I have Patty Tobacchi, who is a hypnotherapist uh who focuses on supporting women with high-functioning anxiety, break free from negative thought patterns, and build unshakable confidence from the inside out.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: And this is, I think, so important for so many reasons and kind of just what we were saying offline, like especially right now, there's so much going on.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I think just, you know, whether you believe in astrology or not, I know a lot of the listeners are very familiar with astrology.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so a lot of the astrology right now is creating a lot of internal anxiety.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: So having a tool like this, right, to kind of um do the work and come inside and and reprogram is so powerful.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I first want to hand the floor to you and just kind of, you know, have you share who you are, uh, what you, you know, kind of how you came to this work, like if there's any pivotal moments along the way, and um, and we'll go from there.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I my day job currently is uh fourth grade teacher.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: And um so I have been experiencing like uh I'm sure what lots of people have been feeling, like burnout, stress, like the way the education system is going these days.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I have been kind of searching for something else to do outside of teaching.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I was listening to um a podcast, and um a woman was on it and she does hypnotherapy, and I was like, oh, that sounds interesting.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then she had um a classes for a discounted price during women's history month.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, I'll try that.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I started taking the classes and just fell in love with it.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's hypnotherapy, like it kind of sounds a little bit like you know, woo-woo, like, you know, or I'm gonna hypnotize you and make you, you know, cluck like a chicken or something.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um but the more that I do it, the more I learn about it.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um you can do self-hypnosis, like it's just I find it so powerful and so effective.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I took her classes and became certified um through that.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: And she actually has created some um different types of hypnotherapy that are more effective than just traditional hypnotherapy.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: She uses more emotional discharge and um visualization methods, um, which I really like.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's different tradition rather than kind of like a traditional sort of script for hypnotherapy.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I I have like I really like that.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: I found that that um allows you freedom to um meet everybody where they are based on their preferences and their different situations.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: You can tailor the situ the session to each individual client.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, fourth grade teacher.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: I like I always am amazed at kids who work or people who work with kids in that capacity because yeah, I'm a parent, but sometimes I'm like, I don't think I could do a classroom full of them.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's uh yeah, I love it.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's a lot like I um the thing that you know it makes me kind of like getting burnt out that everything is going towards like you have to pass this test and get gather this data and that.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I really like number one, making kids and my hypnotherapy clients feel good and confident about themselves, no matter what stage of life they are.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I really like the exploration of edu of you know, new concepts for kids.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like that's just like the exploration fun creativity part, I feel like is slowly being sucked out of it.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I feel like at that age they're still pretty like curious, and my son's in fourth grade, yeah.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just like the all the questions, he's also got a lot of Gemini in his charts.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just like he's the chatter.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but was there like for you with hypnosis?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like was did you have uh like a breakthrough or an experience or something that really like draw you towards like this?
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I sort of I started with like um meditation, and then I kind of got into um EFT with like tapping, and I did a that and I was like, oh, this is pretty cool.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then I just kind of learned about hypnotherapy, and the first time I did it was kind of the same experience with EFT, where you just kind of like you know, you go into your mind and you're like, oh my gosh, this is so just like so powerful and profound.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I just did like a um like a guided hypnotherapy session.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: I just like listened to one on my phone and I was like, oh my, this is just it was so different than what I had ever experienced before.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought like if I could just keep doing this, this will really hopefully this will really help me.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm a person who also has experienced a lot of anxiety.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, I do a lot of the like catastrophizing or black and white thinking and worrying, and um hypnotherapy has really helped me try to release and con like believe in myself, have more self-confidence, know things are gonna work out, or and no matter what the result, I have the capacity to um make things, you know, work things out for the best for myself.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I think hypnotherapy has really helped me with my anxiety, which is why um that's the focus of my practice.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because I want to help other people feel know that they don't have to be stuck in like these loops of worrying and like and catastrophizing black eye thinking, all that.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm gonna jump off the deep end real quick with like a share, but like uh a question as well.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I've I've like the whole catastrophizing thing, like I've definitely experienced especially like over the last week.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is so present for me right now.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's always interesting when conversations like this happen.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: But um, for me, I think my anxiety comes from more like relationship stuff.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: I've had some trauma there.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I I think you know, anxiety in any form was Whether it's like trauma or just like low-lying anxiety, I think it's all kind of like big T, little T trauma, right?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's coming from the same place.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that, you know, when I experience something and my mind latches on to like all these old stories and I'm creating things and I'm making things bigger.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm like, I have to like pull myself down and be like, Rochelle, like nothing has actually changed.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's just me and my head, you know?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I do meditation um in little uh I don't know, do you know to be magnetic by Lacey Phillips?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Are you?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: So she does what she calls deep imagining.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: So it is a form of like self-hypnosis.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: She does like pioneeral beats and visualizations and then like kind of identifying old patterns and stuff like that.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: So those are kind of like my tools to dip in and like bring myself down.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: But sometimes the emotional experience of it can be so overwhelming that I'm just like, I don't know how to get out of here, right?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, how do we like if anyone's listening and that kind of you know experiences something similar to that, um, or even you know, just like high functioning, you know, anxiety?
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: How do we like first of all create awareness and then reprogram with these tools?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what does that look like using this?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, one thing that you said the the um how do I get out of this?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like the thing that's really deep, that is one thing.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I also am a domestic violence um survivor, and like thinking about trying to reprogram those beliefs feels very scary.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because you don't, yeah, I don't want to get stuck into like reliving that.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so one thing that I found helpful is to when you're trying to let go of those emotions is to kind is to imagine it as you're the observer and not get stuck in that like deep, you know, like as you're reliving it, because no one will want to relive those very traumatic um experiences again.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think yeah, looking at it from the third, like as if you're watching it happen.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then creating awareness.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think um I'm trying to create awareness like through friends on social media.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's very powerful.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I think trying to demystify hypnotherapy as not something like it's not a magic trick.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think people that that's their first impression of it is that it's you know, I'm gonna make you or make you think something or do something that you don't want to.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I think, yeah.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I think like educating people like through social media um is a good way.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: And what was the what was the second part of your question?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, like um just like kind of creating also like internal awareness and and using this as a way to like reprogram those like internal narratives that are coming up.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so like I do a lot of I think I find self-hypnosis really powerful.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I like to like write down like what are the internal narratives that I'm telling myself and then try then focus just on one at a time, and it might take a few days to um change that narrative to believe something else.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: But I think also like writing it down, having like a like I like to have a plan for myself, like these are this is the belief I'm gonna work on this week and really try to let go of the emotion of it, believe something else, and really just focus on like one thing at a time.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that I found that to be helpful, and it might take longer than a week, especially if it's something very like deeply rooted.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if I find also it's very helpful to in hypnosis think back to like when was the first time I felt this anxiety?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because I might feel anxious about like my apartment building is being sold right now, but what when is it the first time in my life I felt like insecure about housing or whatever or out of control?
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: And to think back to that time and then try to give that younger version of yourself support and release the emotions of that, which can help you today feel more calm and rooted.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I love that.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I do a lot of journaling too, but I like the idea of just like writing out those negative beliefs and working on one at a time because it can be overwhelming, right?
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: When you're like have like five or six or more of them, and I'm like, oh my gosh, where do you even start?
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then just like focusing on one to like reprogram.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do any sort of like affirmations or anything or it like aside from the from the hip hypnotherapy?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: So hypnotherapy, um, like at the in a session, the end is like affirmations.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so you or like let's say I want to um like one thing I'm personally working on is that like I make good decisions with money.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'll in a hypnotherapy session, I'll release the feelings about that, um, think about that affirmation, and then I try to use that affirmation, like have it on my wall.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um I also like to make subliminal tracks where I'll um record myself saying my the affirmations, but then I make the volume so low that you can't hear it and you play music over it.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: So then you just your subconscious mind hears it.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, and then I like to write them.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: I try to stick with like three.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I write them in a journal and I read them before I go to bed because at night is a powerful time for your mind to rewire yourself, rewire itself.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I like to um try to remind myself of them when I get up in the morning.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: So do you listen to these like the subliminal tracks like while you're sleeping or just like throughout the day?
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um nor if I'm on vacation and I have time, yeah.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: Not in the classroom.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like yeah, you can I listen sometimes during the day and then I'll put on some, yeah, at night and fall asleep to them.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Can you speak a little bit to like that like subconscious and conscious mind and maybe how this like actually works on like sort of like that level?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so your subconscious mind controls 95% of your um decisions, and it also doesn't have like a filter on it, so it just accepts anything you tell it or society has told you.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and your your conscious mind um is kind of is like the gatekeeper, it can like filter things in and out.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so hypnosis quiets your conscious mind, so it's not so like if your conscious mind wasn't quiet during a hypnosis session, you could be saying, Oh no, I don't believe that, or discounting it, or what about this?
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but your subconscious mind is highly suggestible, so you quiet the conscious mind through relaxation um and like full body, like imagining all your muscles relaxing.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then you're kind of in a state where you feel kind of like you're in a daydream, or you're like that sensation when you're lost in a book and you're imagining the scene.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's your subconscious mind has taken over and it accepts anything you tell it.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: So then you're able to visualize and um accept new beliefs.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't, it's hypnosis is fast.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's um, but you should do it a few times to work on a belief to really like reprogram um like the messages that are in your mind.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Do you find that women who have you know like high functioning anxiety, do you find that they struggle with like shutting the mind off even in the hypnosis setting?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Or is like there's a specific thing that really kind of like puts that aside?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I found that there's um kind of like two different camps of people I found.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um people with angs like high functioning anxiety, more like myself, take a while to um relax.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll do like a um guided visualization where you relax your body and then a longer um like visualization that is just like imagining a scene and trying to engage all your senses because yeah, it does take a while for them to relax, get out of fight and flight, just calm down, feel safe.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so and so I'll say a lot of times, like, you know, it's safe to relax, you're safe here.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then there are people who have um ADHD and their minds kind of go a little bit faster.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I wouldn't do as long of a we call the induction, like a long visualization.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: That would be a little bit more uh quicker because their their mind is working a little bit faster.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: I've definitely found that for me, that's definitely a struggle.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's like shutting the mind off because it's like I'll just be thinking all these thoughts, or like I'll forget that I'm like even in a uh like some sort of meditation and I'm just like you know off somewhere else with you know visual, and especially when I'm like in sort of panic mode, right?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I I and at those points I'm like, do I I mean I know like the meditations help, but sometimes I'm like, do I even like attempt it right now?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm so like in that just chaotic like feeling, right?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but uh it's probably that's probably the a good time to do like somatic practices like breathing, um, and try just saying some simple affirmations to yourself, like, you know, I'm I'm here and I'm safe, or like I'm feeling more calm with every breath.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm feeling more calm and um, you know, doing like box breathing or like belly breathing, um something like more like putting your hand on your heart, something physical to help you calm down.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I move my body a lot, like you know, the gym where I I used to be more of a runner now, or I used to be more of a runner than I am now.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that was like kind of my my little like space, but my back has been hurting this year, so I really haven't been able to run a lot.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm kind of like maybe that's you know, kind of set me off a little bit.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: But um, but you know, sometimes by the end of the evening when I'm in bed trying to meditate and calm down, yeah.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: I guess I find sometimes it to be challenging.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: But I, you know, breath work is funny, it's one of those things where like I resist it really hard because it's so it's hard, but it's also really powerful.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think getting through that I was gonna say because you can't think about anything else.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and I feel like the the ego or the conscious mind or something is just like everything is a distraction, right?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: Or it's like this is really hard.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't know, I just like focus so much on like when it ends.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's like so hard.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: But there usually is a point, and I think I feel like it's between 10 and 20 minutes that like it kind of you kind of just like give up into it a little bit.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: But I know my mind sometimes is always just like I'm trying to figure out like how long things are gonna take and like what I you know, so I'm like, I have to just set aside like 30 minutes and be like this time is just to do, you know, whatever it is that evening.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um I like to set a timer also when I'm um doing self-hypnosis.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um I like to use um, do you know the app insight timer?
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll find just some um certain tracks that are just like music or binaural beats, and and I'll just say to myself, okay, so it's gonna stop in 10 or 20 minutes when however long I have.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: And this is these are the things I'm gonna think about, and then I'll do the hypnosis because then I can also think like, oh no, I'm gonna be doing this forever, and then I'm gonna, or I'm gonna fall asleep, or who, you know, whatever.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: But if you know, if I give myself like like there's an external thing that's timing me, yeah.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like that's a good like you know, setup for keeping on track.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: Do does it still work like if you do fall asleep because it is your subconscious, is is it still working in there?
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if you have like um if you have like a track like affirmations going or um like um like subliminal track going, yeah, it still works if you're asleep.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: But not hypnosis.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: You need to be awake and not it like if you're doing a self-hypnosis session, it if you're doing it yourself, no, but if somebody else was doing it and the client fell asleep, they would still hear you, even if they were asleep.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that makes sense because you're guiding it.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because you're you're guiding it, yeah.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Can you share like one breakthrough that you've had with a client when with hypnosis?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, sure.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: I have um one person who is like the typical like people pleaser, like she wants to, you know, she's also a teacher, you know, and wants to like just kind of gave up all her time for tutoring and teaching and this and that.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: And we worked over the summer on really like putting herself first.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so she has um started doing all these like cooking more and filming it on Instagram and you know, putting that out, and she um has made time for herself.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: She's a writer also, so she's really like found much more of a balance, and it makes her so excited that like she'll email me and she's like, Oh my gosh, I put myself first, I'm doing things that I enjoy, and that's my goal is to help people live a life that they enjoy and they feel good about and choosing themselves first, not just putting everybody else or just kind of like going through the motions doing you know what everybody else asks of them.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I love that.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: What have like for yourself?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I know you said earlier you were uh domestic domestic violence survivor, and I'm you know, I'm sure you've done work before you came to hypnosis, like around those things, but is there anything that maybe has come up from that um that hypnosis has maybe like shifted in a way that other things haven't?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, because I think like I I do regular like talk therapy also, because I think you know, if you've experienced trauma like that, you should do both things.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um and that's kind of like re rewiring like your conscious thoughts.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: And then hypnosis has helped me like for a long time I didn't feel like safe in my body or walking down the street, but for no particular reason, my ex-husband was not around, but I just kind of always felt like oh, I'm unsafe, or something would happen I didn't expect, and I would, you know, feel unsafe.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: Hypnosis has helped me calm my nervous system down, and I spend a lot of time just reminding myself that I'm safe, that um I'm a functional adult.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: I have created a life separate from him, that I am safe, he's not here.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and just feeling safe in my body, safe to walk around.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's the main thing.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I think like uh I had a question and I I lost it, but um what do you find like with with women who have this high functioning anxiety?
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: Is there like a common thread or a common theme or a common like subconscious belief or just like something between them that that you've noticed?
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think all of us um well we're a lot of us um are perfectionists.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like we think that if everything, if I do my work perfectly and my life that I'm always striving to be like perfect in everything, then I can relax and be happy.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's and so we're always like waiting for oh, but I need to do this and I need to do that, and and realizing that you're perfect just the way you are, and you you don't have to look for something also outside of you, right?
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: That you can relax and feel good and confident now, whether you got all your work done now or not, or you did anything perfectly at work or not.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Which is also a constant it's a constant like thing you have to also like keep working on.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've gotten a lot better about it, but I still have to sometimes remind myself like you don't have that doesn't have to be perfect, just yeah, it's fine.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you have to try to be perfect at everything because then you're good at nothing.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Do you find they bring that into like the hypnosis?
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um that I haven't experienced so far.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like when people come to hypnosis and they're like very open and willing to change, and also like most people haven't tried hypnosis before, so they're interested in it.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like some people will try to be a little bit overachievery and like write things down, but that you know that's okay.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like people who come to hypnotherapy or you know, recognize like, oh, I don't want to feel like this anymore, show me how to show me what to do.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: So what does it look like when they come to you and they're working with you?
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we I send clients first like um a Google form and they give me some background information about themselves.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: And then I try to plan out like um some initial sessions and like what we could build on.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then a first session is um like trying to identify what are the main things that cause you anxiety, and kind of like maybe pick like the five things that cause you anxiety, and let's then pick like put them in order, which one is the most, which one is the least.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then does the client feel um like we you want to start like you're a little bit unsure and we want to start down at the bottom, or do we want to go in feet first and start at the the top?
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: And we kind of make a plan for um what we're gonna work on as we go.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I try to educate people about hypnotherapy and then how they can do sessions at home.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so we'll do um sessions uh based on what we've decided on.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then each set in each session we'll bring we'll continue to bring those beliefs from the last session so they build on each other.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um and maybe you we need to repeat uh some beliefs and do a different type of session to to release those beliefs.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um so it doesn't have doesn't have to be set up.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then hopefully by the end, um whether it's like four weeks, six weeks, you feel some relief.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, usually in hypnotherapy, after the first session, maybe not the next day, but the day after, you'll feel a little bit different.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then after the second session, um the one cool thing I have experienced in hypnotherapy is you're just you know going about your day, and all of a sudden you have a thought that feels like it's not your thought.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, wait, that is so productive and common.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: And non-anxiety producing.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, where did that come from?
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, oh, that's from the hypnotherapy work.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it just kind of like pops out of nowhere.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was going to ask how long it you typically found that it takes people to have like some sort of shift or like release.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: So usually, um, yeah.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: So usually after the first session, you feel like physically more calm and very relaxed.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you might have a little bit of a shift, but then if you as a client put in the work also, like doing affirmations or um, I send my clients the the subliminal tracks, I'll send them that.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um they listen to those.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um after the second session, there's usually some progress.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then really after like the third or fourth session, you'll there's um you'll feel much decrease in the anxiety.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: And is it targeted towards um like I know it's targeted towards subconscious beliefs, but like is it targeted towards like inner child work or like or is it just like a broad, like we're targeting this specific subconscious does that make sense?
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it can be so anxiety can either can come from two places.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: It can be like the like you just are in a uh situation and you all of a sudden feel anxious and you don't know why.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: So it could be like based on triggers, or it could be you're in a situation, you start having these thoughts, and those thoughts make you anxious.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: So first, um, like I would have a client like list out the things that make her the most anxious, and then we try to dive into are those situations where it's just kind of like on autopilot, oh no, I'm just being flooded.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: And those are usually um previous events, often like inner child things um that you that are just deep in your subconscious and then just present in your adult life and you don't even know why now you're sweating and your heart is racing when you're like in a staff meeting.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or it could be because you are a warrior and now you're you know, at I don't know, at the doctor, and now you're just constantly worried about something, and then you just ramp yourself up.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: And that could be just rewiring your beliefs about yourself or about like beliefs about the world that um you're safe, things work out, you can handle anything.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: Do you believe or uh kind of twofold?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you if you believe in like past life stuff, like do you think we can carry like these like subconscious, like sometimes like subconscious beliefs that we can't even like grasp, right?
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it's generational trauma or past life things, or yeah, I guess like even some I'm and you know, sometimes things are so traumatic that we block it out, right?
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: But like how do how do we access these beliefs that we can't even like access, I guess?
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like I mean, I know it's the subconscious, so consciously isn't the word I'm looking for, but yeah.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't I could I don't really know about past lives.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm sure that's a thing.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't I've not been super successful in doing I haven't done that with someone who is experienced, so I yeah don't really know about that.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it's it's interesting to me.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: I actually signed up for a class like in two weeks that I'm gonna go to to do that.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, I'm excited.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's fun.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but then these subconscious beliefs that you're not even aware of, that can be addressed through hypnotherapy.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: It does take a while for your brain to feel relaxed, feel open, and just have gone through the process of hypnotherapy.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then you can, like with someone who's more experienced or self-hypnosis, um you can access those beliefs.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's interesting because it could you could just be visualizing something and then all of a sudden it comes to you.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it could take time.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, that just it just takes time, patience, and kind of like asking your brain to like, it's a it's safe to show me this past trauma, and it's okay if you don't show me now, but maybe you know, can you show me and you feeling safe enough for it to for it to come out?
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: I did um EMDR therapy for years.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, cool, yeah.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I loved it.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: I but also, you know, my therapist at the time, you know, with with that therapy, she was like, if you have like complex trauma, it's it's targeted towards specific events, right?
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: So like the thing we were talking about, like that lesson, but there were so many layers beneath it.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I found a lot more support, I guess, in modalities like hypnosis or meditation or just like nervous system regulation, things like that.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: But and I know that there's a space for each of them, but like how could this help versus something like EMDR or you know, yeah.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think um I think we live in a time that is so amazing because there are so many different modalities.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, for me, I found the uh I found hypnotherapy to be for like thinking of like for those beliefs that or like those that instant anxiety that you don't know where it's coming from.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: Why am I feeling this way?
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: That just kind of feels like a question mark.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: But like if you're in talk therapy, you're like, I don't know why I feel like this.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I feel like hypnotherapy is good to try to figure those out, like what in my past is connected to today.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I only know a little bit about EMDR, but um I feel like hypnotherapy also like the the um methods that I use help you physically feel calm.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like we talk about like we do breath work and trying to really feel calm in your body and um also like imagining things um or having like a a gesture or an image in your mind to remind you to bring you back to that sense of calm.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, like for example, like mine is totally random, but like I was in the park running and I saw this beautiful yellow tree, and I was like, oh, life is so great.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so when I think about that, I'm stressed about X, Y, and Z, I'm just actually gonna think about that tree.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: And uh then I have incorporated that into my meditation or my self-hypnosis sessions.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like you can just like when you start to feel overwhelmed, just go back and think about the beauty of the tree, and then it just kind of brings you a sense of calm.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: When you have a client and you're doing these sessions, um, and then you give them, you know, self-hypnosis to work with, your is it like a a replay of the session, or there's custom, like you're making them custom sessions or custom audios to listen to?
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I can do both.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I like to teach my clients how to do self-hypnosis.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like so it and also so it doesn't like a regular hypnotherapy session would take about the person would be in hypnosis for 20, 30 minutes.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I know people are very busy and so I like to teach my clients how to do self-hypnosis.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that takes at the most 10 minutes, so they can all they need to do is like sit down and like identify the goals that they want to do, and then I teach them like the structure of doing self-hypnosis, and then um say, you know, like set a timer or on insight timer, find like a 10-minute track and um try to just go through these steps.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I can also provide them like an audio track if they prefer, if they don't um I can imagine like if someone feels really anxious and like at the beginning doesn't have enough confidence that they could do it themselves.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I could provide them an audio track that's like same about 10 minutes that's just the shorter version of our sessions.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm big on teaching people how to do things because then it's like you then you're empowered to take it into your own hands, you know.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's and and um I even just think like I mean talk traditional talk therapy is I guess a different example, but I remember like because I had gone for years and my therapist we got to the point where she would like I always say like she fired me because she was just like sometimes people use it as a crutch, right?
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like you just keep coming back and kind of talking about the same thing, but like so then, like kind of like having to learn the tools to self-regulate to like kind of do those things.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: Then I got to this point where she was like, I don't think that we should see each other for however long it was, right?
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: Then I was like, Oh, well, I gotta figure out what to do now, right?
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like yeah, again, like having those tools, like it really did help though, right?
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like at the end of the day, like that meditation regulation and not like going in because also, you know, I mean, I have you know, there's obviously always like two sides to everything, but I do feel like or I felt like um in that traditional talk therapy setting, we were just going over the same thing a lot.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so I felt like I would be perfectly fine all week and then I'd go in and I'd feel like I'd crash the next day, right?
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's like kind of like talking about everything and bringing it to the surface.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but but I all that just say that like I do I like that you teach them, right?
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like and empower them to like do it themselves that when they need it, they can kind of like dip into that.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think also it then if you do like short 10-minute self-hypnosis sessions, it makes your brain more like the neuroplasticity like more open to our next longer, deeper session together.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: So it makes our sessions um more effective.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh my son started he, I don't know if you heard him.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: It distracted me for a minute.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, I mean, if if you could like, I guess for anyone listening to this, and if you could share like one invitation or one tip or something for them to like tangibly like take with them after this, what would it be?
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think it would be just to try, I think the things that that benefit me, like if I was someone who didn't know hypnosis, um just setting aside five or ten minutes for yourself, either in the morning or at night, either one.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um and if you're anxious and your mind is just racing, just journal and just write down all your thoughts.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_00: Just nobody's gonna read it and just write it down.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it just like loosens the load that you're carrying, right?
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: Or spend 10 minutes doing a guided meditation or just listening to binaural beats and letting your mind go.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's one thing I like about running is like I just let my mind wander and I feel so much better afterwards.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I think giving yourself the gift of just 10 minutes journaling, listening to music, just listening to a guided meditation, something for yourself to feel more centered.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like our world is so busy, and it's just the news and Instagram and TikTok, and just you know, everything just coming at you, and now the holidays, right?
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: And just finding some time to just recenter and just kind of unload everything from the day or or things you worry about upcoming in the day, just find a container to put them in.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: I love how you worded that, giving yourself the gift of 10 minutes, right?
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think sometimes we're like, oh my gosh, I have to find time to do this.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: But like, no, it's it's a privilege, like it is a gift to give yourself that time with yourself.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I notice, like, when I get really overwhelmed or I'm like on social media or like whatever it is, when I get like information overload, I just get like so over some overstimulated, that's when I'm like, okay, I have to like take it down.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just like close everything down for even just like three minutes, right?
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: Just to like clear out a little bit because it is, it is, and even now with all the AI stuff, and it's like having to just like discern everything, it's like an extra level of like anxiety now where it's like, is this real?
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: Is it real?
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know, you know.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so yeah, I just and and yeah, holidays in themselves are just definitely definitely.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just so yeah, it's it's a lot just to mm-hmm.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so just yeah, I think just realizing that you are important and you're important enough to spend 10 minutes to nurture yourself, and then the rest of your day is gonna feel better.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I love that.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, how can people work with you?
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: What are you working on, or do you have anything upcoming that you want to share?
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they can um contact me through my website or which is um progresshypnosis.com.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, right now I'm doing um individual sessions.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um I will have I'm working on putting up um some audio tracks that people can purchase and listen to, especially knowing that um the holidays are coming.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm working on some tracks about managing anxiety over the holidays, which I know can be anxiety provoking for some people.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm on Instagram and threads at inner progress with patty.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, people can check out my stuff there.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so basically just um client packages and um some upcoming audio tracks.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: I've I've learned so much in this, and I in like your journaling tips of just like writing things out.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm definitely gonna in like working through it one at a time because I I definitely overwhelm myself where I write it down, but then I'm like, I'm trying to like move through all of it, you know, and it's like no, just this is like my lesson in life is patience.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like it doesn't all have to be done right now, you know, and I'm sure that's like a theme of it, but yeah, one thing at a time slowness.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I mean I've had to learn that the hard way, yeah.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_00: Just write down like a make this big long list, and then you don't feel like you're getting anywhere.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: Then you're like, yeah, the spiral.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and then you feel worse, and then you're yeah, and then it just it's just this terrible spiral, and then you feel bad about yourself, and then you make another list, and then you're like, Oh, but I can't do anything because like look at all the things on that list, and oh I'm so terrible, and then it just keeps going.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely does.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, this will definitely, definitely help.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: And and you know, once you get some the audios up on your website, I think that'll be such an amazing tool to just be able to download and and just to have in your toolbox, you know, to like listen to when you're in those moments of like overwhelm and stress.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I try to make some of them a little bit like apply to uh to different situations so that you can listen to them, they're not super specific.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like a um session with a client would be specific to something that you're working on.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: I try to make the audios um a little bit more general so that you can use them again and again for different situations.
• 1:01:06
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's so nice to speak with you, and it's so nice to meet you.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: You too.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_00: All right.