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Jon Stinchcomb on Alvin Kamara's Future, Chris Olave's Contract & the Saints Offensive Line · AFR Saints

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  Speaker 1: up with a John stinchcome to off season Saints head
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  Speaker 1: into year two under Kellen Moore. Hey, John, we appreciate
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  Speaker 1: it man. How are you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great, appreciate you having me on.
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  Speaker 1: Always our pleasure. There's some contractual stuff that think's interesting
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  Speaker 1: for two players. Love your thoughts. So we haven't had
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  Speaker 1: a chance to visit with you in a good bit.
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  Speaker 1: Firstus Alvin Kamara, his agent, says he expects to be
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  Speaker 1: back this year. Saints went through this sort of rarely
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  Speaker 1: used restructure. You have a strong feeling one way or another.
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  Speaker 1: What's gonna happen there with Alvin?
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  Speaker 2: I sure hope he's back. I haven't heard any inclinations
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  Speaker 2: from either side that would indicate that they're looking to
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  Speaker 2: move or he's looking to move him. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of smoke makes you concerned, but honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a great opportunity for AK. I think
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  Speaker 2: you look at the growth of the offense, I think
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  Speaker 2: the addition of APN will only help him be more efficient.
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  Speaker 2: I think the ask has been so high for these
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  Speaker 2: past few years, just the amount of offense that has
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  Speaker 2: run through him. Now you kind of unload it and
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  Speaker 2: you can allow him to be his best without asking
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  Speaker 2: him to carry fifty sixty percent of the offense. So
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  Speaker 2: I hope everything's worked out and he's wearing the black
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  Speaker 2: and gold come the fall. And I think indications are that,
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  Speaker 2: as of right now, that's the way it'll work.
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  Speaker 1: The others Chris Olave last week in OTAs he said
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  Speaker 1: he's not going to hold out, but the expectation is
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  Speaker 1: they'll get a deal done before the season. John, I
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  Speaker 1: think the real question with a Lave is where does
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  Speaker 1: he slot If you look at sort of the market
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  Speaker 1: value projections. They're looking to pay him like a top
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  Speaker 1: five receiver. If the Saints were going to do that,
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  Speaker 1: it feels like that would already be done, right. So
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  Speaker 1: where I kind of believe actions speak louder than words.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you think a lave falls in that sort
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  Speaker 1: of hierarchy of NFL receivers.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, that's a tough read there, just because of health concerns.
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  Speaker 2: I think when Chris o'lave is healthy, he's up there
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  Speaker 2: with the top five. It's just a matter of availability,
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  Speaker 2: and that's been his biggest question mark his entire career
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  Speaker 2: is when he's available. When he's out there, he's tough
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  Speaker 2: to guard, he's a playmaker. You want him on your squad.
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  Speaker 2: The concerns come in when you're going to pay a
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  Speaker 2: guy like that, Are you getting all seventeen games out
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  Speaker 2: of him? Or are you concern that we're not going
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  Speaker 2: to see the end of the season or you know
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  Speaker 2: it fits in spurts. So I think that's that's one
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  Speaker 2: of the things that you're considering. I also look at
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  Speaker 2: at Mickey Loomis's track record and Kay's track record of
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  Speaker 2: paying guys, and it's always on their timetable. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: as a player, you want to get things done, you
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  Speaker 2: want that security blanket, and that's not always offered, and
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  Speaker 2: it's been. It's not like New Orleans doesn't pay guys,
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  Speaker 2: but it certainly is on their timetable and not the players.
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  Speaker 1: And well said, we saw this with Kamara a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years ago as well. Speaking speaking of John Stinchcombe
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  Speaker 1: is our guest, you know what a quick follow up
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  Speaker 1: on the Lave situation. I guess John, I look at
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  Speaker 1: it and go, okay, if they if they thought a
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  Speaker 1: Lave was a top five, top ten receiver in the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: then why use a top ten pick on Jordan Tyson?
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  Speaker 1: Like the Bengals wouldn't have Jamar Chase, they wouldn't use
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  Speaker 1: a top ten pick on a receiver. So what do
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  Speaker 1: you make of if anything, does drafting Jordan Tyson top
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  Speaker 1: ten speak to maybe their feeling on a Lave.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny that you mentioned the Bengals because of
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  Speaker 2: how they paid T Higgins and so I think in
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  Speaker 2: today's offense, you got to have two weapons, at least
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  Speaker 2: on the on the perimeter, and if you don't, the
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  Speaker 2: way teams can key in on a player and try
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  Speaker 2: to eliminate them. Although there's some that you know you
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  Speaker 2: just can't erase, but I think it again, I think
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  Speaker 2: the more weapons you have, the better. I think it
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  Speaker 2: bringing in a first round talent wide receiver was a
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  Speaker 2: priority in addition to Chris o'lave. I think you take
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  Speaker 2: a lave off the board going forward in the future,
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  Speaker 2: not in twenty six, but in twenty seven, and again
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  Speaker 2: you're in that position where you're worried about having enough weapons.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't think that the indication of drafting a
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  Speaker 2: first first round wide receiver says they're looking to move
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  Speaker 2: on from o lave. I think you're looking at it
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  Speaker 2: going we need another field stretcher weapon that can compliment
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  Speaker 2: one another. I think that the best offenses in the
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  Speaker 2: NFL have at least two weapons on the perimeter that
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  Speaker 2: make defenses scared, so I think it bodes well. I
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  Speaker 2: think that the more weapons you have. I know there's
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  Speaker 2: only one ball, there's a lot of mouths to feed,
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  Speaker 2: but I'd rather that be the issue than we only
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  Speaker 2: have one ball and we can only put it in
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  Speaker 2: one place. I think that's been a problem in the
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  Speaker 2: past and something that Kellen and company are looking to avoid.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to the trenches where we know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: David Edwards was the high priced free agent at left guard,
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  Speaker 1: you shore up that spot. It's interesting that they drafted
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  Speaker 1: right in the fourth round out of Auburn. John, what's
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  Speaker 1: your take there as far as the future at that
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  Speaker 1: spot with Caesar Ruiz at the end of his contract
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  Speaker 1: and you a young buck there coming behind him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it only makes sense. I mean, obviously, Caesar,
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  Speaker 2: when he plays well, you're going, man, he could be
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  Speaker 2: a pro bowler. And then at times this past season
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  Speaker 2: you're going, hoof, I wonder if that's a position that
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  Speaker 2: you could upgrade. So this season will dictate a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the direction moving forward. You can't have enough pieces
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  Speaker 2: and when you can get a guard that you like
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  Speaker 2: his upside and right having seen him play at Auburn
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  Speaker 2: at least a few games, got a lot of power,
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  Speaker 2: There's some rawness to his game, an edginess to his
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  Speaker 2: game that you like in the fourth round and that
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  Speaker 2: you know it projects as a potential starter. And at
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  Speaker 2: that point in the draft, especially for guard, that's what
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  Speaker 2: you're looking for. You're hoping that you don't need him
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  Speaker 2: that first year, but he's got enough pieces in his
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  Speaker 2: game that you think we can develop him and Hopefully
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  Speaker 2: he's starter work the down the road, and if you
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  Speaker 2: have to make a decision at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: year with Caesar, it gives you another position of strength
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  Speaker 2: to deal from, So hopefully he adds that depth. He's
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  Speaker 2: the interior swing player coming into the season. Still got
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  Speaker 2: raidings out there, so there should be some depth. And
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  Speaker 2: you hope that the compliment of Edwards to the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the group with those ones allows you to run
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  Speaker 2: the ball efficiently and protect Chuck, which is your your
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  Speaker 2: goal each season. So I like the moves that they made.
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  Speaker 2: I think it only strengthens a group that probably needed
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  Speaker 2: a little something based off this last season. And you've
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  Speaker 2: got two good young tackles and a center that when
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  Speaker 2: he's healthy, is you know, at the top of the league.
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  Speaker 2: So I like their moves. I think it makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: John, I got one more for you. You were there for
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  Speaker 1: the transition when Sean Payton came in. I'm just curious
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  Speaker 1: what it's like going into year two with a new
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  Speaker 1: coach from obviously the Kellen Moore perspective. So much change
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  Speaker 1: a year ago and now going into year two, how
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  Speaker 1: what's it like? How's it different?
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  Speaker 2: I think you understand the expectations each Each new head
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  Speaker 2: coach comes in and is wanting an identity from his team,
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  Speaker 2: and you're trying to figure it out. Year two. You
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  Speaker 2: know what it is, you know how to fit into it,
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  Speaker 2: and it's a matter of creating that identity in the
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  Speaker 2: locker room. And I think one of the challenges that
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  Speaker 2: DA faced was the expectation is we like what we've got,
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  Speaker 2: don't screw it up, try to make it a little better.
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  Speaker 2: And when Kellen came to town, it was what do
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  Speaker 2: you need to make your system work? And I think
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  Speaker 2: with that kind of freedom, it allows you to create
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  Speaker 2: your own identity and it's one that I think the
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  Speaker 2: entire organization is embraced, not only the players, but also
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  Speaker 2: management of saying what is it that we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: create here and what pieces do we need in place
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  Speaker 2: to get there.
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  Speaker 1: Former Saint John Stinscombe. Great perspective as always, John, We
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  Speaker 1: appreciate the time, man, enjoy the rest of the off season.
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  Speaker 1: Will be here before we know it.
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  Speaker 2: I know it. I can't wait to actually watch some
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  Speaker 2: real football.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you having me on, no doubt, man, that's John Stinchcombe.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate it as always. It is after further review,
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  Speaker 1: because you're hanging out with us here.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: John said something interesting there because I was asking him
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  Speaker 1: about you're drafting, drafting Jordan Tyson when you already have
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  Speaker 1: Chris A. Lave in the point of made you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're Cincinnati, you wouldn't like they wouldn't use the
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  Speaker 1: top ten pick on a receiver when they've got Jamar Chase.
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  Speaker 1: He pointed out that they pay T. Higgins, which true,
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  Speaker 1: T Higgins. So Jamar's average annual value contract is forty
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  Speaker 1: zero point two million dollars and then Higgins is twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight point seven. So once Jamar's second in the league,
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  Speaker 1: and the value we actually if we look at the average,
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  Speaker 1: let me just do it by average annual value, Jamar's
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  Speaker 1: two and then T. Higgins is or five. It's JSN, Jamar,
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  Speaker 1: Justin Ceedee, Lamb Metcalf, Garrett Wilson, Terry McLaurin, A. J. Brown,
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  Speaker 1: I'm and Ross Saint Brown, Brandon ayuk N, T. Higginson.
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  Speaker 1: When I look at it, though, when I'm scanning to
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  Speaker 1: see if there's any other team that has two of
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  Speaker 1: the top paid receivers, like JSN is now the highest
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  Speaker 1: paid receiver in the NFL. The next highest Seahawk is
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  Speaker 1: is Shaheed at seventeen million. Jefferson in Minnesota is the
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  Speaker 1: third highest paid receiver. The next highest paid Viking is
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  Speaker 1: is Juwan Jennings at eight million. Kind of go down
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  Speaker 1: the list Ceedee Lamb, we get Ceedee Lamb and George
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  Speaker 1: Pickens CD's at thirty four. Pickens is at twenty seven
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  Speaker 1: to two. So there's another one Pittsburgh. There's dk Metcalf
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  Speaker 1: at thirty three million. Next is Michael Pittman at at
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  Speaker 1: seventeen to five. So it kind of feels like that's.
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  Speaker 2: More the norm.
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  Speaker 1: If you have like the one high paid receiver, then
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  Speaker 1: you'd have the other that's in that seventeen to twenty
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  Speaker 1: million range. And maybe the way the Saints are going
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  Speaker 1: to look at it is a Lave is the the
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  Speaker 1: thirty million dollar receiver, thirty plus million dollar receiver, and
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  Speaker 1: Tyson's going to be the fifteen to twenty million dollar
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  Speaker 1: receiver on a rookie deal, And by the time a
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  Speaker 1: Lave's contract is up, Tyson will be due for an extension.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe Tyson becomes the forty million dollars fifty million dollar receiver. However,
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  Speaker 1: it is at that time, but I mean Garrett Wilson's
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  Speaker 1: thirty two five. The next next Jets receiver on here
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  Speaker 1: is well Omark Hooper, the rookie they just raft. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: interesting Uh, and Omar Cooper was a you know, was
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  Speaker 1: a late a late first round pick. So in an event, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we'll we'll continue to watch it and see what may
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  Speaker 1: happen with Chris Olave's contract. That's something they clearly want
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  Speaker 1: to sort out here, hopefully before u before training camp
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  Speaker 1: begins or before the season starts.