Latest / Foul Territory / FairT: Vlad Guerrero Jr. gets PAID, HOT Giants, Skenes deal exercise
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- 0:00Speaker 1: And if you're Bob Nutting and you're the owner of
- 0:01Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Pirates, you're going to say, old on, I'm
- 0:05Speaker 1: not going to take disc risk when we know Paul
- 0:07Speaker 1: Skeens might blow out. He won't say that publicly, but
- 0:10Speaker 1: that's what he's thinking. Welcome everyone to the Monday edition
- 0:16Speaker 1: of Fair Territory. And I almost said welcome everyone to
- 0:20Speaker 1: the Winter Meetings, because in the last week it has
- 0:23Speaker 1: almost seemed like that, even though it's April, we've had
- 0:26Speaker 1: one extension after another, topped off by the big one
- 0:30Speaker 1: last night Sunday night, I should say that one fourteen years,
- 0:34Speaker 1: five hundred million for Vladimir Guerrero Junior. You see the
- 0:38Speaker 1: news right there, No deferrals in this deal, straight up,
- 0:42Speaker 1: fourteen years, five hundred million. It was a deal that,
- 0:45Speaker 1: from the Blue Jays perspective, as I wrote this morning,
- 0:48Speaker 1: had to get done. It was a deal to lock
- 0:50Speaker 1: up their franchise player, a homegrown Blue Jay, a native Canadian,
- 0:55Speaker 1: at a time in their history when they have lost
- 0:58Speaker 1: one free agent after another, one big free agent after another.
- 1:01Speaker 1: They've signed a few, but no Otani, no Sodo, no
- 1:05Speaker 1: Corbin Bones. Right down the line, the Blue Jays had
- 1:08Speaker 1: Vladimir Guerrero Junior all these years, failed to extend him.
- 1:12Speaker 1: That was their mistake because in the end, when this
- 1:16Speaker 1: came down to crunch time during his walk year, they
- 1:20Speaker 1: had no choice, in my opinion, but to make a
- 1:23Speaker 1: deal with Guerrero Junior. They did it. It's a thirty
- 1:26Speaker 1: five point seven to one million average annual value. That's
- 1:29Speaker 1: the eleventh highest in baseball history. The total guarantee, and
- 1:33Speaker 1: I want to show you right now, the total guarantee
- 1:35Speaker 1: of five hundred million without deferrals, that is the second
- 1:40Speaker 1: highest in present value in major league history, behind only
- 1:44Speaker 1: one Soto's seven hundred and sixty five million dollar deal.
- 1:47Speaker 1: You see the top five right there. Soto is seven
- 1:50Speaker 1: sixty five, vlad at five hundred, Shojo Tani comes in
- 1:54Speaker 1: at four sixty point eight. That's reduced for deferrals. Of course,
- 1:58Speaker 1: his deal was ten years, seven hundred million, but it
- 2:00Speaker 1: was so massively deferred. The present value is for sixty
- 2:04Speaker 1: four sixty one. Mike Trout next at four to twenty
- 2:07Speaker 1: six point five. Aaron Judge then at three hundred and
- 2:10Speaker 1: sixty million. I want to give you some more context
- 2:13Speaker 1: to this deal as well. Just as where it fits
- 2:16Speaker 1: in terms of other first basemen, both past and present. Now,
- 2:20Speaker 1: when you look at the first basement all time, Miguel
- 2:23Speaker 1: Cabrera's eight year, two hundred and forty eight million dollar
- 2:26Speaker 1: deal is still something of a standard, because one adjusted
- 2:29Speaker 1: for inflation, the average annual value is even higher than vlads.
- 2:33Speaker 1: But these are the biggest guarantees for first basement flat
- 2:36Speaker 1: again five hundred Miguel Cabrera eight years, two hundred and
- 2:39Speaker 1: forty eight, Albert Poohole's ten years to forty, Joey vado
- 2:43Speaker 1: ten years two twenty five, Prince Fielder nine years to fourteen.
- 2:47Speaker 1: What do those four guys besides Guerrero have in common.
- 2:51Speaker 1: They all got their contracts in the twenty tens, and
- 2:54Speaker 1: that was an era in which teams valued first baseman
- 2:58Speaker 1: more than they do today. Now look at the active
- 3:01Speaker 1: first baseman and wear Guerro ranks next to the Freddie
- 3:05Speaker 1: Freeman's and the Matt Olsens of the world. This chart
- 3:08Speaker 1: is even more telling. There's Guerrero at five hundred, matt
- 3:11Speaker 1: Olsen one sixty eight, Freddy Freeman one sixty two. That deal, too,
- 3:16Speaker 1: is worth less than that it's deferred, and Paul Goldschmidt
- 3:19Speaker 1: five years, one thirty. That's his previous deal with the
- 3:21Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals. So for a first baseman Vladimir Guerrero Junior,
- 3:27Speaker 1: without having to go into free agency and have the
- 3:30Speaker 1: open market determine his actual value, he got a monster deal.
- 3:35Speaker 1: There's no other way to look at it. Now you
- 3:37Speaker 1: could say, well, it's still two hundred and sixty five
- 3:40Speaker 1: million below Soto, Yes it is, but Vladimir Guerrero Junior
- 3:44Speaker 1: is not the consistent force that Soto has been throughout
- 3:47Speaker 1: his career. He's not as accomplished offensively as Soto has
- 3:50Speaker 1: been throughout his career. So that's why there is a
- 3:54Speaker 1: difference there. And to some degree, it seems to me
- 3:58Speaker 1: that Soto's deal was an outlier. And you might say, well, Ken,
- 4:02Speaker 1: that's fairly obvious. It was an outlier. But it was
- 4:04Speaker 1: an outlier because Steve Cohen, the owner of the Mets,
- 4:08Speaker 1: was not going to lose this player. Cohen was going
- 4:10Speaker 1: to give Soda whatever it took to get that deal done.
- 4:14Speaker 1: So Vladimir Guerrero Junior is a blue jay. They can
- 4:17Speaker 1: now build around him. That's a story for another day,
- 4:20Speaker 1: because that is not going to be easy for a
- 4:22Speaker 1: team with a relatively poor farm system, an aging rotation,
- 4:26Speaker 1: and questions all over the place. But at least now
- 4:30Speaker 1: your franchise pillar is in place. The Blue Jays had
- 4:33Speaker 1: to get this done. We'll be back after a quick
- 4:36Speaker 1: word from our friends at foul Territory. AJ.
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- 5:38Speaker 1: Over the weekend, back on the field, believe it or not,
- 5:41Speaker 1: we actually had baseball baseball all weekend. We had a
- 5:44Speaker 1: big series in Philadelphia when I attended the Phillies and
- 5:47Speaker 1: the Dodgers, and people were talking before the series, well,
- 5:50Speaker 1: what does this mean in terms of October, in terms
- 5:54Speaker 1: of could this be a playoff? Preview? And my thought was,
- 5:57Speaker 1: whoa hold on? Only in April, And actually, the way
- 6:02Speaker 1: the series played out, you can look at it now
- 6:04Speaker 1: and say, yeah, there's no way to know how this
- 6:07Speaker 1: is going to look in October, or whether these teams
- 6:10Speaker 1: will even be in the same position. The Dodgers played
- 6:13Speaker 1: this series losing two of three without Freddie Freeman. Blake
- 6:17Speaker 1: Snell in this series goes on the injured list. He
- 6:19Speaker 1: has a shoulder issue. Shocker of shockers, a Dodger pitcher
- 6:23Speaker 1: getting hurt. So who knows what the Dodger rotation will
- 6:26Speaker 1: look like come October. If you recall last year, Jack
- 6:30Speaker 1: Flaherty was not part of the Dodger rotation in April,
- 6:34Speaker 1: Yoshinobu Yamamoto was, but he got hurt, didn't come back
- 6:37Speaker 1: until September, and you had just a different kind of look. Ultimately,
- 6:42Speaker 1: once the playoffs started, Walker Buehler came back. He wasn't
- 6:45Speaker 1: in the rotation at the start of the season coming
- 6:47Speaker 1: off an injury. So here are the Dodgers. Yes, they
- 6:50Speaker 1: have a question about Snell. Now, they have a question
- 6:52Speaker 1: about whether rookie Sasaki can pitch a full season in
- 6:55Speaker 1: his first year in Major League Baseball. And they also
- 6:59Speaker 1: have three pitchers who are not even pitching yet who
- 7:02Speaker 1: could be significant parts of their rotation at various points
- 7:06Speaker 1: of the season and maybe even in October. I'm talking,
- 7:09Speaker 1: of course about sho Hey Otani. I'm talking about Clayton Kershaw,
- 7:13Speaker 1: and I'm talking about Tony Gonsolin. Now Otani threw a
- 7:16Speaker 1: bullpen on Saturday. They are slow playing this like no
- 7:20Speaker 1: other and the reason they're slow playing it is because
- 7:23Speaker 1: they want Otani healthy for the postseason. Otani understands what's
- 7:27Speaker 1: going on. He wants to be healthy for the postseason.
- 7:30Speaker 1: And there are some people, as I mentioned on the broadcast,
- 7:33Speaker 1: who believe that once Otani returns, he could be the
- 7:37Speaker 1: best pitcher, the best starting pitcher the Dodgers have. They're
- 7:40Speaker 1: number one, Yes, even over Snell, yes, even over Yamamoto.
- 7:44Speaker 1: So good for the Phillies to win two of three
- 7:46Speaker 1: in this series. And if they had been maybe a
- 7:48Speaker 1: little bit more patient against Roki Sasaki on Saturday, they
- 7:51Speaker 1: could have won three of three. But it was really
- 7:53Speaker 1: the first time Sasaki showed that great split, put it
- 7:57Speaker 1: in the strike zone, or at least close enough to
- 7:59Speaker 1: the strike zone where he got some chase. So a
- 8:02Speaker 1: good series. Tayo Hernandez big obviously offensive performance for the
- 8:06Speaker 1: Dodgers on Sunday, wasn't quite enough to make that a
- 8:11Speaker 1: series victory for Los Angeles. Now, elsewhere in the NL West,
- 8:16Speaker 1: we saw the Padres get off to an amazing start.
- 8:18Speaker 1: It's still a really good start. And now we're seeing
- 8:21Speaker 1: the Giants, the eight to one San Francisco Giants kind
- 8:24Speaker 1: of surprising baseball with how they've come out of the
- 8:28Speaker 1: gates here in the early part of the season. Now,
- 8:31Speaker 1: if you remember, the Giants were Cactus League champions, and
- 8:35Speaker 1: ordinarily no one should put any stock in anything that
- 8:39Speaker 1: happens in spring training, But in spring training with the Giants,
- 8:44Speaker 1: you started hearing about this better vibe, about the transition
- 8:46Speaker 1: from far Anxiety to Buster Posey, and how there just
- 8:50Speaker 1: seemed to be a better culture around the Giants, And
- 8:53Speaker 1: now we're kind of seeing it come to fruition in
- 8:56Speaker 1: the regular season. Now, this is going to be an
- 8:59Speaker 1: easy now arrative for people like myself to latch onto. Well,
- 9:03Speaker 1: Buster is a baseball guy. Farha Anxiety was an analytical guy,
- 9:07Speaker 1: and now the Giants are just happier and feel better
- 9:10Speaker 1: about the way things are being done in the organization
- 9:13Speaker 1: under Buster. That's part of it. But we're also seeing
- 9:17Speaker 1: some different things too. Willie adamis their biggest free agent signing,
- 9:21Speaker 1: clearly having an effect. Robbie Ray having added Tarek School's
- 9:25Speaker 1: change up, he is looking like he's going to be
- 9:28Speaker 1: kind of like his cy young self. There's also Justin Erlander,
- 9:31Speaker 1: who has had one okay start and one not so
- 9:34Speaker 1: good start, But other than that, the team is essentially
- 9:37Speaker 1: the same. We're seeing a better offensive club so far. Warmer,
- 9:41Speaker 1: Flora's hot start, mike Yastremsky, Jung Huley, Matt Chapman, all
- 9:46Speaker 1: of these guys are hitting. They're a bullpen with Doval
- 9:49Speaker 1: and Walker as the anchors. That also has been a
- 9:53Speaker 1: bright spot for them so far. They're playing well, there's
- 9:56Speaker 1: no question about it. Will they sustain it? Will they
- 9:59Speaker 1: be this this much improved team that they look like
- 10:02Speaker 1: right now? I'm not so sure, but certainly good things
- 10:05Speaker 1: are happening with the Giants. That left side of the
- 10:07Speaker 1: infield with the Domas and Chapman, is one of the
- 10:10Speaker 1: better left sides of the infield or infield in the game,
- 10:14Speaker 1: and they're pitching overall has been really good. So far,
- 10:17Speaker 1: So good for the Giants getting off to this start.
- 10:20Speaker 1: But again we're talking about I don't know, almost one
- 10:24Speaker 1: twentieth of the season, a long way to go, folks. Well, well, well, well,
- 10:31Speaker 1: time now for the Inside Dish, the part of the
- 10:33Speaker 1: show where I talk about maybe a story I've written,
- 10:35Speaker 1: maybe a trend in the game, maybe some big news item,
- 10:39Speaker 1: maybe something else entirely, And this week I want to
- 10:42Speaker 1: go back to something I mentioned on foul Territory last week.
- 10:46Speaker 1: It was after I wrote this story about Juans Toto
- 10:49Speaker 1: and how we spent three weeks with the minor league
- 10:51Speaker 1: host family and still keeps in touch with them. Now,
- 10:54Speaker 1: this story was unusual for a couple of reasons, and
- 10:57Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun to do, and that's
- 10:59Speaker 1: kind of I want to revisit it. It was unusual
- 11:03Speaker 1: one in the way I got put onto it. Now,
- 11:06Speaker 1: you guys know from Twitter especially, but in general, that
- 11:11Speaker 1: baseball writers, writers in every sport are competitive with each other.
- 11:15Speaker 1: They want to be first with stories, first with news.
- 11:18Speaker 1: They want to be better than the next person. That's
- 11:20Speaker 1: just like any other business, right. But in this case,
- 11:23Speaker 1: it was another writer that actually put me onto this story.
- 11:27Speaker 1: Now I'm not going to name this writer because I
- 11:29Speaker 1: don't know some editor somewhere might get mad at him.
- 11:32Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter was this writer had
- 11:35Speaker 1: nothing he could have done with this. He is a
- 11:37Speaker 1: beat writer for a team somewhere. So he said, listen, Kenny,
- 11:41Speaker 1: I've heard about this guy. He was the head of
- 11:44Speaker 1: Wan Soto's host family. I've got his number. Would you
- 11:47Speaker 1: want to maybe look into this, and I said, yeah, absolutely,
- 11:50Speaker 1: I'm always looking for stories, always looking for new ideas,
- 11:53Speaker 1: especially different ideas about superstar players. So the writer passed
- 11:59Speaker 1: me the number, contacted Brian Campbell, and we started talking
- 12:03Speaker 1: about his time with Juan Sodo. Now, it only happened
- 12:08Speaker 1: after I texted Campbell initially and he said, let me
- 12:12Speaker 1: get back to you. I want to check with Wan.
- 12:14Speaker 1: He got back to me within a half hour, and
- 12:17Speaker 1: Jan obviously gave him his blessing. And I was very
- 12:20Speaker 1: surprised by that for starters, that he had this kind
- 12:23Speaker 1: of relationship with Soda where Soda would get back to
- 12:26Speaker 1: him like that. And this was during the middle of
- 12:28Speaker 1: spring training, so it wasn't like Soda was overloaded. But
- 12:31Speaker 1: at the same time, he's getting ready for the season,
- 12:33Speaker 1: he's got media commitments, all kinds of things going on,
- 12:36Speaker 1: and yet Soda responded to him that quickly, and that's
- 12:40Speaker 1: what led me to believe, Okay, there's something here. These
- 12:43Speaker 1: guys are still tight. And then Campbell told me his
- 12:46Speaker 1: story and how he hosted Sodo with his three sons
- 12:50Speaker 1: and his ex wife at the time. He had a
- 12:52Speaker 1: daughter who was also obviously part of the family, but
- 12:54Speaker 1: not there she was older and out of the house,
- 12:57Speaker 1: and how he just had a really wonderful time. I'm
- 13:00Speaker 1: hosting Soto and just enjoying him and different players. There
- 13:04Speaker 1: were I believe four players in the house at that
- 13:07Speaker 1: time when Juan was there. Now Soto was there for
- 13:10Speaker 1: only three weeks. That was twenty eighteen. In twenty eighteen,
- 13:15Speaker 1: he starts off at low A, then he goes to
- 13:18Speaker 1: High A, Double A, and the Majors. He's in low
- 13:20Speaker 1: A for three weeks, then he makes those three jumps
- 13:23Speaker 1: that I just said, High A, Double A, Majors within
- 13:26Speaker 1: a month. He was in the majors by May twentieth,
- 13:30Speaker 1: at age nineteen. And yet even in those three weeks,
- 13:34Speaker 1: Soto formed a bond with this family and a bond
- 13:36Speaker 1: that continues to this day. They will go see him
- 13:39Speaker 1: play from time to time. They don't ask for tickets,
- 13:42Speaker 1: but he'll give them batting practice passes at times. Brian Campbell,
- 13:45Speaker 1: the father, will go out to dinner with Soto when
- 13:47Speaker 1: he's in Baltimore or Washington. And when I finally spoke
- 13:51Speaker 1: to Soto about this in Houston, right at the start
- 13:54Speaker 1: of the season, when the Mets were in Houston, Soto
- 13:58Speaker 1: lit up talking about this guy his family, and he
- 14:01Speaker 1: just said, basically was the time of his life. They
- 14:03Speaker 1: had a basement, the guys would go downstairs, players would come,
- 14:07Speaker 1: not just the ones in the house, but they would
- 14:09Speaker 1: sing karaoke, they would play cards, they would play video games,
- 14:12Speaker 1: all kinds of things, and it was kind of just
- 14:15Speaker 1: a very memorable time at a time in his life
- 14:18Speaker 1: when he was quite impressionable and still relatively new to
- 14:21Speaker 1: the United States New English. Even then, moan Soto has
- 14:25Speaker 1: known English really the whole time he's been a professional,
- 14:28Speaker 1: so he communicated well, and again it was just a
- 14:31Speaker 1: happy story to do. And the other interesting part of
- 14:34Speaker 1: it is that host families no longer exist in minor
- 14:38Speaker 1: league baseball, and the reason for that. It's actually a
- 14:41Speaker 1: good reason that there is a minor league collective bargaining
- 14:44Speaker 1: agreement that guaranteed minor league players more money and guaranteed
- 14:48Speaker 1: them housing. So host families are not really necessary. And
- 14:53Speaker 1: yet even as something has been gained, and something clearly
- 14:57Speaker 1: was gained in this minor league agree these guys are
- 15:00Speaker 1: getting paid better. The host family experience is something that
- 15:04Speaker 1: a lot of players who went through it still speak
- 15:07Speaker 1: of fondly On the show Friday, Todd Fraser and Eric
- 15:10Speaker 1: Kratz both spoke fondly of host families that they had.
- 15:14Speaker 1: They're still in touch with them, and you can go
- 15:17Speaker 1: to countless major leaguers ones who were all part of
- 15:21Speaker 1: this and they will tell you the same thing. In
- 15:24Speaker 1: the case of players from Latin America like Sodo, they
- 15:26Speaker 1: could be especially meaningful because of course they're transitioning to
- 15:30Speaker 1: new culture. But even in the case of players who
- 15:33Speaker 1: were born here, like Fraser and Kratz, host families can
- 15:36Speaker 1: leave an indelible impression. And that's what happened. That's what
- 15:39Speaker 1: the story was about. I thank this writer. He knows
- 15:42Speaker 1: who he is. I've thanked him personally for putting me
- 15:44Speaker 1: on to this story, and I hope people enjoyed reading it.
- 15:48Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun to do. We'll be back
- 15:50Speaker 1: after a quick word from our friends at Foul Territory.
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- 16:54Speaker 1: Time. Now for grilling Ken, Let's get to your questions.
- 16:57Speaker 1: The first question comes from Atom, not the insider, who
- 17:00Speaker 1: asks what is going on with the reds Adam. It's
- 17:04Speaker 1: a good question as you watch your team struggle to
- 17:07Speaker 1: score runs almost on a daily basis. What's interesting about
- 17:10Speaker 1: the Reds is they scored fourteen in one game, eleven
- 17:14Speaker 1: in another, and in their other eight games combined, they've
- 17:18Speaker 1: only scored fourteen runs. So what is going on. Part
- 17:22Speaker 1: of it is health. They don't have Tyler Stevenson, they
- 17:25Speaker 1: don't have Bostin Hayes. Spencer Steer has a shoulder issue,
- 17:28Speaker 1: he's been compromised. That's three players that they were counting
- 17:32Speaker 1: on and are counting on to be significant contributors. Of
- 17:36Speaker 1: the guys that are healthy, really, Matt McClain is the
- 17:39Speaker 1: only one performing I would say to expectations or even above.
- 17:43Speaker 1: His OPS is over eight hundred. No other Red, including
- 17:47Speaker 1: Elie Dela Cruz, is over eight hundred. And this was
- 17:49Speaker 1: a team that earlier in the offseason, going into spring training,
- 17:52Speaker 1: I thought might surprise. I still believe they might surprise.
- 17:57Speaker 1: But I had someone tell me right before the season started,
- 18:00Speaker 1: someone in their organization who said, you know what, I'm
- 18:03Speaker 1: a little worried. We're still one bat short. And that
- 18:06Speaker 1: was even with all of the injured players. So I
- 18:10Speaker 1: thought the bullpen would be the Red's biggest question, and
- 18:12Speaker 1: it still might be. But right now. The offense is
- 18:16Speaker 1: somewhat of a concern. I want to see what they
- 18:18Speaker 1: look like when they're healthier, but they've got to get
- 18:21Speaker 1: going a little bit from an offensive perspective. So far
- 18:24Speaker 1: not good. Next question comes from Enzo, who asks, with
- 18:29Speaker 1: William Abreu the best hitter on the planet, not really
- 18:32Speaker 1: exaggerating there. COR's love of Raphaela's defense in center and
- 18:36Speaker 1: Duran in left and Roman Anthony ready for the big leagues,
- 18:39Speaker 1: what do the Red Sox do? Fair question? Great problem
- 18:42Speaker 1: to have if you're the Red Sox and you left
- 18:45Speaker 1: Yoshida out of the equation. I don't see how he
- 18:48Speaker 1: fits now that Devers is the DH now once Anthony
- 18:52Speaker 1: is ready, Yes, it really becomes an interesting question. At
- 18:56Speaker 1: the moment, they're using Christian Campbell in center field on
- 18:59Speaker 1: certain days when they want to get David Hamilton into
- 19:02Speaker 1: the lineup as a left handed hitting second baseman. I
- 19:05Speaker 1: don't know how long that will continue once Roman Anthony
- 19:08Speaker 1: is ready. And again, having all of these players, all
- 19:12Speaker 1: these talented players, guys who are really going to be
- 19:15Speaker 1: or are already significant contributors. This is not a problem
- 19:19Speaker 1: generally speaking. Managers and coaches and front office people like
- 19:24Speaker 1: to say these things have a way of working out
- 19:27Speaker 1: on their own. That's true, and sometimes someone will get hurt,
- 19:30Speaker 1: and sometimes there will be underperformance or something else. But
- 19:34Speaker 1: the real issue to me is going to be Yoshida
- 19:36Speaker 1: and will he be ultimately a guy that they might
- 19:39Speaker 1: have to DFA. I don't know where this is going.
- 19:42Speaker 1: But again, if you're the Red Sox and you've got
- 19:44Speaker 1: all these players and Rafaela still is an offensive question,
- 19:47Speaker 1: let's face it, you're in a good position. The final
- 19:50Speaker 1: question comes from al who asks what would a contract
- 19:53Speaker 1: extension for schemes look like? He has many arbitration years left,
- 19:57Speaker 1: but what would it take to convince him to forego
- 20:00Speaker 1: free agency? A. I like the question, but at the
- 20:03Speaker 1: same time, it's almost irrelevant because Bob Nutting is not
- 20:07Speaker 1: going to do what it takes as owner of the
- 20:09Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Pirates to convince Paul Skeens not to go to
- 20:13Speaker 1: free agency. It's just not going to happen, right, based
- 20:16Speaker 1: on everything we've seen from Nutting, there is no way
- 20:19Speaker 1: this gets done. But for purposes of this exercise, let's
- 20:21Speaker 1: consult my colleague Tim Britton from The Athletic, who is
- 20:25Speaker 1: the expert on extension valuations. He does them basically all
- 20:28Speaker 1: year long for the Athletic and he wrote an entire
- 20:31Speaker 1: story on Skeens, I believe it was in spring training
- 20:34Speaker 1: and what an extension might look like for him. Now,
- 20:37Speaker 1: Skeens has one more pre orb year left after this
- 20:41Speaker 1: one one more year before arbitration, a time when the
- 20:44Speaker 1: club can dictate his salary, and then the three years
- 20:47Speaker 1: of arbitration. Tim determined that those years would be worth,
- 20:50Speaker 1: including this year, about thirty eight million. And then he said, Okay,
- 20:55Speaker 1: what if you think of Skeens as a guy who
- 20:58Speaker 1: will be in position to a manned a record average
- 21:01Speaker 1: annual value as a starting pitcher. He might be that good.
- 21:05Speaker 1: And let's say that's forty four million. So the way
- 21:07Speaker 1: Tim started out this process, he had skiened somewhere along
- 21:10Speaker 1: the lines of seven years point eighty. But that's assuming
- 21:13Speaker 1: just three years of free agency. So ultimately, when Tim
- 21:17Speaker 1: played this thing out, he kind of looked at it
- 21:20Speaker 1: like Julio Rodriguez is deal with Seattle, and you know
- 21:23Speaker 1: that deal. It's complicated, but he guarantees Julio a certain
- 21:27Speaker 1: amount north of two hundred million, and then there's a
- 21:31Speaker 1: club option after I believe the fifth season, and if
- 21:35Speaker 1: the Mariners pick that up, there's another two hundred million
- 21:38Speaker 1: coming something along those lines. It's complicated. Go to Cotts
- 21:41Speaker 1: Baseball Contracts look it up. But basically what it involves
- 21:44Speaker 1: is escalators and the ability for the Mariners to make
- 21:48Speaker 1: this deal even more lucrative if they want to keep
- 21:51Speaker 1: the player from opting out. That's the kind of deal
- 21:53Speaker 1: you would do with Paul Skins. It's a different situation,
- 21:57Speaker 1: obviously than Julio Rodriguez, because Paul Skans is a starting pitcher,
- 22:01Speaker 1: and as Steven Nesbitt wrote last week in The Athletic,
- 22:04Speaker 1: the entire sport is basically holding its breath hoping Paul
- 22:08Speaker 1: Skein stays healthy and warrants an extension. And if you're
- 22:12Speaker 1: Bob Nutting and you're the owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates,
- 22:14Speaker 1: you're going to say, hold on, I'm not going to
- 22:17Speaker 1: take this risk when we know Paul Skeins might blow out.
- 22:20Speaker 1: He won't say that publicly, but that's what he's thinking.
- 22:23Speaker 1: And it's not unfair to think that because all pictures
- 22:26Speaker 1: generally do get hurt at some point. So I don't
- 22:30Speaker 1: know where this is going. I would expect Paul Skeins
- 22:33Speaker 1: is going to be a free agent after four more
- 22:36Speaker 1: years beyond this one. And when he becomes a free agent,
- 22:39Speaker 1: assuming he's healthy, he's going to make a lot of money,
- 22:43Speaker 1: period and paragraph. Thanks everyone for your questions, Thanks everyone
- 22:47Speaker 1: for watching, for listening. You know where to find us YouTube, Apple, Spotify.
- 22:51Speaker 1: We will be back on Thursday. Myself and my co
- 22:54Speaker 1: host Elana Rizzo are normal Thursday program live at twelve
- 22:58Speaker 1: thirty Eastern. Have a great everyone.
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