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Baby Number Three is Coming · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's a very special episode
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Speaker 1: and I am getting deja vu because I literally just
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Speaker 1: recorded the same episode, Amy, with you a couple of
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Speaker 1: weeks ago. Sophie, you were also pregnant eight weeks out
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Speaker 1: from Amy. I feel like this is a bit old hat.
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Speaker 1: Like I keep having to announce it to people and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, sorry, this really isn't that interesting. I think
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions about whether you guys planned
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Speaker 1: your pregnancies to be this close together. I mean, it
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Speaker 1: was a shock for me because I've just got back
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Speaker 1: from maternity leave and I feel like I was left
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Speaker 1: out of a lot of things. Like you guys were
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Speaker 1: off doing your thing and I was at home. And
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Speaker 1: when you guys announced to me that you're both pregnant,
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my God, am I going to
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Speaker 1: be just doing some monologue for the podcast? But we
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Speaker 1: are in discussions. The podcast will still keep running. We're
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Speaker 1: working out what that's going to look like. The ironic
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Speaker 1: thing is that if you rewind to our weddings earlier
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Speaker 1: this year, our weddings were two months apart and now
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Speaker 1: we're having children two months apart. Were they honeymoon babies? Well, no. No,
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Speaker 1: they weren't. I was pregnant on my honeymoon, which– wasn't
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Speaker 1: a good idea like I thought oh I'm gonna feel
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Speaker 1: so good in my bathers I'm gonna be so fit
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Speaker 1: and it was the very early stages but it's those
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Speaker 1: stages where you were so bloated like it's not even
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Speaker 1: a baby bump you were just disgustingly bloated and uncomfortable
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Speaker 1: I hate to say it but I warned you because
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Speaker 1: I was already pregnant when you warned me no no
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Speaker 1: you weren't you weren't at all I was well I
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Speaker 1: was trying yeah yeah I said to you I knew
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Speaker 1: you were trying and I said look Sophie to be honest,
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Speaker 1: being pregnant is actually fucking shit in the first trimester.
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Speaker 1: And you do not want to be pregnant on your honeymoon.
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Speaker 1: I'd wait and try and conceive the baby on the honeymoon.
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Speaker 1: To be honest, I mean, apart from maybe feeling slightly
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Speaker 1: unconfident in my bathers, I actually have been lucky that
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Speaker 1: I seem to turn a corner on my honeymoon and
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Speaker 1: I felt a lot better and more like myself.
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Speaker 2: When I first found out, I don't know if it
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Speaker 2: was mental or.
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Speaker 1: What, but I felt like shit. Like I had a
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Speaker 1: terrible headache. Sophie, you're not really a glass half full
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Speaker 1: kind of person. You're a glass empty type of person.
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Speaker 1: From someone who's been through it eight weeks earlier to Sophie,
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Speaker 1: I felt like shit. I feel like anybody who says
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Speaker 1: that they feel like shit should be listened to because
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Speaker 1: it's a terrible period. I kept hearing of all these
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Speaker 1: people having these huge naps during the day. I suppose
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Speaker 1: people working from home. I didn't have any of that.
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Speaker 1: I pushed through it, which probably didn't help. And we're
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Speaker 1: very social people. We're out a lot of, well not
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Speaker 1: you so much anymore, Kate, because you have a child,
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Speaker 1: but You know, this is our last six months to
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Speaker 1: enjoy it. But we're out most nights with friends or
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Speaker 1: doing stuff. So I just kept pushing myself. And it's
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Speaker 1: not like I could say to my friends, oh, I'm
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Speaker 1: fucking tired. I can't go home. That's the worst bit,
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Speaker 1: isn't it? A lot of people say, yeah, that you
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Speaker 1: can't even complain about it or explain why maybe you
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Speaker 1: look so tired. And the whole thing is because as
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Speaker 1: soon as I found out I was pregnant, I found
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Speaker 1: TikTok a really great place to go to because I
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Speaker 1: found that a lot of women would pre-record moments from
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Speaker 1: the first trimester and talk about like, the cravings they
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Speaker 1: were having or whether they were feeling like shit. And
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Speaker 1: for me, I wanted to know straight away what the
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Speaker 1: gender is because, I mean, you guys are having boys.
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Speaker 1: Growing up as girls, I've always thought one day I
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Speaker 1: really want to have a girl. So I was so like, oh,
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Speaker 1: like I want to look into what the cravings are
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Speaker 1: for a girl. I straight away knew that I was
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Speaker 1: having a boy, which– They're wives' tales, old wives' tales,
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Speaker 1: aren't they? Well, they said that if you're having a boy,
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Speaker 1: you absolutely crave salty food. All I wanted to eat
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Speaker 1: was two-minute noodles and chips and I lived off that. Well,
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Speaker 1: that was what my cravings, I think yours were as well, Amy.
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Speaker 1: It was funny, Sophie, because you did do a gender
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Speaker 1: reveal and Amy and I got our cakes from the
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Speaker 1: same person but you wanted to be different. You got
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Speaker 1: a different one and you went and picked the cake
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Speaker 1: up and you rang me and you were like, oh,
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Speaker 1: my God, it's got blue specks in the icing. And
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Speaker 1: I was like, please don't look at it. It didn't.
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Speaker 1: It was a vintage love heart cake that had white
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Speaker 1: icing and it had blue and pink love hearts on it.
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Speaker 1: And within the icing, it looked like there was black.
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Speaker 1: It was vanilla. It was vanilla bean. I told you
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Speaker 1: it was vanilla bean. But the cake lady said that
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Speaker 1: she was either going to bake like a blue or
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Speaker 1: pink cake. And I thought maybe she hasn't done the icing.
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Speaker 1: It was clearly black vanilla. I wasn't having a meltdown
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Speaker 1: because it was a boy. I was having a meltdown
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Speaker 1: because I didn't want the surprise to be ruined. Yet
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Speaker 1: you continue to like look at the cake with a microscope.
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Speaker 1: And I said, Sophie, a similar thing happened to me.
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Speaker 1: there was a little bit of pink on the icing.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, definitely a girl. And that's why
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Speaker 1: when I pulled out the blue, I was like, what?
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Speaker 1: Dale said, there's no way that Sophie hasn't looked in
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Speaker 1: the envelope before we went to the gingerbread. And I said, honestly,
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Speaker 1: she doesn't know. I said, she really doesn't know. Even
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Speaker 1: Brandon was worried that she was peeking in the envelope.
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Speaker 1: Because you said something about Sophie's not known for keeping secrets. Well,
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Speaker 1: didn't he say like, you asked him, you're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: so have you thought of any more boys names? And
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Speaker 1: he's like, you've looked in the envelope, haven't you? I
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Speaker 1: promise I didn't. It's funny because I was speaking to,
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Speaker 1: some older relatives who had no idea about a gender reveal. Like,
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Speaker 1: I think there's like that group of people who are like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I didn't even know you could find out the gender.
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Speaker 2: They'd never did that back in our day. Well, they
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Speaker 2: did because they didn't have the technology.
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Speaker 1: And they're like, how does it work? So do you
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Speaker 1: know beforehand? And then you tell the baker, I'm like, no,
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Speaker 1: you just collect an envelope from the doctor's office. Some
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Speaker 1: people do. Some people actually, they just find out privately
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Speaker 1: with their partner and then they have it as a
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Speaker 1: surprise for the family, which In hindsight, that's probably quite
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Speaker 1: a nice idea. It's nice finding out together. My hand
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Speaker 1: was shaking. I was supposed to cut like a nice
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Speaker 1: big fat piece of cake to make the– I cut
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Speaker 1: the smallest piece. You could barely see that it was blue.
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Speaker 1: You didn't even pull it out. I just knew from
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Speaker 1: your face because I saw– so my advice to Sophie
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Speaker 1: was close your eyes when you pull the knife out
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Speaker 1: because what happened was when I cut into mine and
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Speaker 1: pulled the knife out, I saw the blue and I
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Speaker 1: had to pretend. So I didn't have much of a
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Speaker 1: reaction in my video because I'd already knew And then, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then in mine I had red jam. So I
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Speaker 1: was like really confused. So then Sophie cut the smallest
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Speaker 1: piece and she went to pick it up with the
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Speaker 1: cake server and it all crumbled. But I saw her
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Speaker 1: face and I was like, it's a boy. I literally
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Speaker 1: like had my hands over my– it was more that
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Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe that we were all having boys.
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Speaker 1: I was like, what is going on? Like from growing
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Speaker 1: up in a household where everything's girly, we never had
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Speaker 1: to watch boys' stuff. See, I was so excited because
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Speaker 1: I know– originally you wanted a girl. And I think
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Speaker 1: we all have said, been on the record and said,
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Speaker 1: I want a girl. Now that I have a boy,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I could not imagine my life without a boy.
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Speaker 1: I absolutely love him. I love being a boy mum.
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Speaker 1: I know you guys are going to love it. And
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Speaker 1: when it was a boy, I was so excited because
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Speaker 1: they're all just going to get along so well. We
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Speaker 1: keep calling them the triplets already. Yeah, and you've been saying, Kate,
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Speaker 1: how they're going to be actually biologically like half siblings. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I don't want to get into the specifics because
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Speaker 1: I was talking to my uncle who is a GP
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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh yeah, apparently... genetically, they're like
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Speaker 1: half siblings. And he looked at me as if I
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Speaker 1: was on crack. And I'm like, no, no, it's true.
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Speaker 1: I love how you asked me to explain it to him.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel uncomfortable explaining this to a doctor.
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Speaker 1: Can you explain it to me? But yeah, so the
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Speaker 1: way I explained it is, it would essentially be like
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Speaker 1: if I had a baby with Rhys, Dale and Brandon.
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Speaker 1: So the DNA from me is the same, but the
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Speaker 1: DNA from the husbands is different. And I have a theory-
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Speaker 1: I remember Claire and Jesse Stevens talking about that, that
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Speaker 1: their children are technically half siblings. Yeah. Yeah. So- I
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Speaker 1: actually have a prediction that all of the boys are
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Speaker 1: going to look like their dads and we're going to
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Speaker 1: grow up with basically Rhys Dale and Brandon's mini-me's. I
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Speaker 1: do hope that the child looks a little bit like me.
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Speaker 1: I feel like it'd be fair if it was half-half
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Speaker 1: because as the woman, you do so much of the
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Speaker 1: heavy lifting. You have to be pregnant. You have to
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Speaker 1: mostly stereotypically take time off work. But it seems like
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Speaker 1: a biological thing. It makes sense. As women, we get
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Speaker 1: to bond with the baby during the nine months of
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Speaker 1: being pregnant. And then when the baby comes out and
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Speaker 1: it looks like the dad, they're going to have more
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Speaker 1: of an affiliation and connection and bond with the baby
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Speaker 1: quicker if it looks like them. Sophie, I want to know,
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Speaker 1: how did you break this news to Brandon? Well, because
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Speaker 1: it was planned. I feel like Brandon obviously had some
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Speaker 1: idea and he knew that my period was coming on
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Speaker 1: a certain day. So I was like, I want to
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Speaker 1: still announce it in a cute way, like it's not
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Speaker 1: going to be the biggest surprise. So he goes for
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Speaker 1: Port Power, which is a footy team. I need to interject, Sophie.
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Speaker 1: They haven't been Port Power for about 15 years. It's
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Speaker 1: Port Adelaide. Yeah, I don't really care. Brandon gets so
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Speaker 1: annoyed when I call them Port Power. I feel like
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Speaker 1: it's almost trolling them when I say it. But for context,
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Speaker 1: we grew up as massive Crows supporters who hated Port Adelaide. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I'm probably going to kick myself in future years,
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Speaker 1: but I thought it'd be cute to buy him a
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Speaker 1: little Port Power teddy bear that was my first teddy
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Speaker 1: bear to give to the baby as well as like
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Speaker 1: a mini football that's my first football because I just
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Speaker 1: thought that would get him really excited about the news.
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Speaker 2: And I just thought it was a cute way to
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Speaker 2: do it. So basically he came home and I had
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Speaker 2: it on the table ready to surprise him.
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Speaker 1: So it was nothing dramatic and huge. And what was
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Speaker 1: his reaction like? He just couldn't believe it. He's like,
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Speaker 1: this doesn't feel real. Like I can't get my head
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Speaker 1: around it. I have. still find it hard to get
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Speaker 1: my head around the fact that both of you are
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Speaker 1: pregnant at the same time. And I'm a little bit
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Speaker 1: jealous because you guys are going to be able to
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Speaker 1: spend maternity leave together. Well, a few of our friends
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Speaker 1: have also just announced that they're pregnant and they're having
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Speaker 1: boys as well, which is exciting. We've literally nearly got
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Speaker 1: a basketball team. I think we need like one more
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Speaker 1: member to make the five. It only starts to feel
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Speaker 1: real though when you feel the baby kicking. So I'm
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Speaker 1: at that stage where He's kicking quite a lot and
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Speaker 1: I'm really excited, Sophie, for you to experience that. Well,
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Speaker 1: my placenta is at the front, so I think it
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Speaker 1: will take a little bit longer for me to feel
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Speaker 1: any kicks, which is quite interesting because yours was at
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Speaker 1: the front as well and yours is at the back.
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Speaker 1: What is even weirder, Sophie, and this is what really
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Speaker 1: shocked me and kind of, I don't know, annoyed me
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Speaker 1: a little bit, is that your due date is two
9:21
Speaker 1: days before Jack's due date. So before his birthday. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so essentially you're probably going to go into labour– I
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Speaker 1: don't know, two days before his birthday. So now, selfishly,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, when am I holding my son's first birthday party?
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Speaker 1: Because I've been planning his first birthday party in my
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Speaker 1: head for a year. How selfish of you, Sophie, to
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Speaker 1: have a baby on Jack's birthday? I know. So I'll
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Speaker 1: be getting in trouble with everyone. I'm getting in trouble
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Speaker 1: with you that it's too close to you. I'm getting
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Speaker 1: in trouble with you that it's close to your son's birthday.
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Speaker 1: I have no issue with it being close. I'm just
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Speaker 1: concerned from a work perspective. But we are in the process,
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Speaker 1: as we said, of sorting that out. We're ironing out
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Speaker 1: a few issues. It's so exciting. We should be so
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Speaker 1: grateful because how amazing. These kids are going to be
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Speaker 1: so close in age. Yes, everyone. saying they're the triplets,
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Speaker 1: like the boy triplets. Yeah, so Amy, your son is
10:04
Speaker 1: going to be– well, Jack will be 10 months older
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Speaker 1: than your son and 12 months older than Sophie's. And
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Speaker 1: then the boys will be eight weeks apart. Your boys
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Speaker 1: will be eight weeks apart. Yeah. Well, I found out recently–
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Speaker 1: that my child is either going to go to school
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Speaker 1: with Jack or Sophie's child because the way that the
10:20
Speaker 1: years unfold for schooling, they're not all going to be
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Speaker 1: in the same year. So it's either baby H is
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Speaker 1: with Soph or with Jack. Well, surely he'd be with
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Speaker 1: mine if they're closer in age. But it might be
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Speaker 1: that Jack does a few terms of reception anyway. We'll
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Speaker 1: hold him back so they can be in the same year.
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Speaker 1: I think it's cool for you, Sophie, because you have
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Speaker 1: someone in a sense to compare things to. So I
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Speaker 1: keep saying to you, Well, exactly this time next year,
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Speaker 1: you're going to have a six-month-old like I have. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it is quite helpful, the timeline. Yeah, you can kind
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Speaker 1: of track it along. But the other thing is, so
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Speaker 1: my sister-in-law is also having a baby in February. So
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Speaker 1: it's just going to be all these babies. We don't
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Speaker 1: know the gender. She's waiting to find out. I'm hoping
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Speaker 1: it's a boy. Not that they won't get along if
11:02
Speaker 1: it's different genders, but it'd be quite cute. Anyway, but
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Speaker 1: the thing that I don't like, is that I'm last
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Speaker 1: to give birth. So I feel like I'm going to
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Speaker 1: hear all of these fucking horror stories and it's going
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Speaker 1: to freak me out. Like I'm going to be heavily
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Speaker 1: pregnant at the hospital, Amy, waiting for you just knowing
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Speaker 1: that I'm going to be there. Yeah, I'm actually so
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Speaker 1: glad that I'm having the baby before you because the
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Speaker 1: song and dance that Sophie would have put on about– Well,
11:25
Speaker 1: they make me sound like– I'm sorry. I think anyone
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Speaker 1: gets a bit nervous about childbirth. No, I know. But
11:30
Speaker 1: you just– it's kind of like when you lined up
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Speaker 1: to get a vaccine at school and you wanted to
11:34
Speaker 1: be the first one to get it over and done with.
11:36
Speaker 1: Do you know what? Also– When you have a baby,
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Speaker 1: every milestone you hit, you feel like I've progressed. Like,
11:43
Speaker 1: you know, he... doesn't need to be fed as many
11:46
Speaker 1: times overnight. I've dropped that night feed. So you're always
11:49
Speaker 1: going to be eight weeks ahead of Sophie and the
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Speaker 1: comparison will be next level. And then your sister-in-law is
11:54
Speaker 1: going to be, is it four months ahead of you?
11:56
Speaker 1: So you're always going to hear, oh, you should be
11:59
Speaker 1: doing this. Something I'm excited about is Sophie and I
12:03
Speaker 1: have been discussing how we want to get some prams,
12:06
Speaker 1: but the ones that are connected. Because twin stroller. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The sight of three of us going for a walk
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Speaker 1: with three separate prams, I mean, that's just not going
12:13
Speaker 1: to work. So we want kind of like, yeah, like
12:15
Speaker 1: some kind of joined pram. But we were also saying
12:19
Speaker 1: that during work days, Soph and I are going to
12:21
Speaker 1: try and bring the babies together because I know when
12:24
Speaker 1: we were little, we slept really well together because one,
12:27
Speaker 1: you'd kind of wake up and just sort of see
12:29
Speaker 1: each other and then fall back to sleep. Like, We
12:30
Speaker 1: kind of want to set up like nurseries at our
12:32
Speaker 1: house so we can get work done. And we'll be
12:35
Speaker 1: on the same routine as well, which will be helpful. Well,
12:37
Speaker 1: I just bought a port-a-cot so I can bring Jack here.
12:40
Speaker 1: Do you know what I want to know? Would you
12:41
Speaker 1: be open to breastfeeding each other's kids? Because you could
12:44
Speaker 1: be your own wet nurse. No way. Because I found
12:46
Speaker 1: out that my next door neighbor, she had a baby,
12:48
Speaker 1: I don't know, a couple of months after me. And
12:50
Speaker 1: I was like, geez, if I was better friends with her,
12:52
Speaker 1: because apparently she had an epic milk flow. Like she
12:54
Speaker 1: said that. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was like, Really?
12:58
Speaker 1: Why are we both waking up? This is sounding very... Look,
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Speaker 1: Soph and I aren't like Sarah's day at a Christmas party.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be offering everyone to drink my
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Speaker 1: breast milk.
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Speaker 2: Why not?
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Speaker 1: If you guys are genetically the same. I'm sorry, but
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Speaker 1: I think that you're going to have enough strain in
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Speaker 1: your body that you don't really feel like feeding another child.
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Speaker 1: Like even if it is your nephew. But why not
13:13
Speaker 1: pop them on both sides and then one have... But
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Speaker 1: I mean, from my very limited experience in children, don't
13:20
Speaker 1: you feed them on one and then the other? Kate,
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Speaker 1: you're still going to be breastfeeding at the time. Would
13:24
Speaker 1: you like to breastfeed the children? My milk may have
13:27
Speaker 1: grown up by then. I don't know. I think that's
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Speaker 1: a bit gross. Maybe I could push it to when, Amy,
13:31
Speaker 1: you give birth and then you can start feeding Jack.
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Speaker 1: Can you not put this out there? Because I can
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Speaker 1: just imagine someone picking up on this being like, triplets
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Speaker 1: breastfeed their same children. Well, we've all said no, we're
13:39
Speaker 1: not doing that. That's a big no. I think it's
13:42
Speaker 1: too far. Now, I also want to know, and I'm
13:45
Speaker 1: not trying to stir trouble, but it probably will. Are
13:47
Speaker 1: you going to be fighting over boys' names? Well, we've
13:50
Speaker 1: both written up a bit of a list and there
13:52
Speaker 1: are some names that cross over, but I think that
13:55
Speaker 1: the names that we're really keen on aren't the same.
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Speaker 1: Is it a first in best dress scenario? So does
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Speaker 1: Amy have the one up on you? So Amy, if
14:02
Speaker 1: there was a name that you both liked. How are
14:04
Speaker 1: you going to work that out? Well, I suppose because
14:07
Speaker 1: I've thrown out names ahead of knowing that Sophie was pregnant,
14:10
Speaker 1: I feel like she's been very respectful and hasn't been
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Speaker 1: targeting those names. Because it's quite funny because when we
14:16
Speaker 1: found out you were having a boy, because there was
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Speaker 1: a little bit of stress because if I was to
14:19
Speaker 1: go around too and had a girl, then you potentially
14:23
Speaker 1: could have stolen some of the girls' names that I want.
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Speaker 1: We all like similar names. I think a lot of
14:28
Speaker 1: people will be wondering, how did you break the news
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Speaker 1: to us? Because obviously when I told you, I told
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Speaker 1: you on the podcast, I told Kate separately. Well, the
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Speaker 1: thing is that you guys knew that I was trying.
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Speaker 1: So I felt like it was hard to make it
14:40
Speaker 1: a big surprise. And I felt like you guys were
14:42
Speaker 1: cottoning on to the fact that something was going on.
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Speaker 1: There was a lot of, even at family dinners, it's like, oh,
14:48
Speaker 1: I bet that Sophie's pregnant. Like there were all these comments.
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Speaker 1: So I felt like I had to tell you guys
14:52
Speaker 1: ahead of time. Well, I think everyone is when they're pregnant.
14:55
Speaker 1: So I decided to tell you at six weeks because
14:58
Speaker 1: I thought, well, if God forbid something happened, I'd want
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Speaker 1: the support of you guys anyway. So I ended up
15:05
Speaker 1: telling you and my mom and at the same time
15:08
Speaker 1: at a little cafe near our house, and I just
15:10
Speaker 1: pulled out a toy and the pregnancy test. And then
15:14
Speaker 1: we thought, oh, fuck, we didn't tell dad. He might
15:17
Speaker 1: be offended. So then that night we had to pretend
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Speaker 1: that we were telling him at dinner. And then I
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Speaker 1: told my in-laws the next day at my husband's birthday dinner.
15:25
Speaker 1: So We came back to my house and we got
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Speaker 1: a little bandana for my dog Archie and it said
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Speaker 1: big brother on it. So we made him run out
15:32
Speaker 1: and see everyone. So in terms of Archie, because he
15:35
Speaker 1: is your first son and you very much treat him
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Speaker 1: like a child. How are you feeling about integrating a
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Speaker 1: baby into that? Yeah, we were a bit nervous about
15:44
Speaker 1: it because Archie hasn't really been around children heaps, but
15:48
Speaker 1: I feel a lot more confident now that he's been
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Speaker 1: around Jack and Jack loves him.
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Speaker 2: Like they have a little cute bond going on.
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Speaker 1: I have Archie on my screensaver of my phone and
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Speaker 1: every time I show Jack, he just smiles at Archie.
16:00
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited to see the bond that Archie
16:04
Speaker 1: and the baby will have. Brandon has already been practicing.
16:07
Speaker 1: So he has got a blanket and he'll get his
16:10
Speaker 1: phone and search babies crying on YouTube and he'll have
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Speaker 1: the phone in the blanket and see how Archie reacts
16:17
Speaker 1: just to try and get him used to that sound.
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Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure with any animal it's always going
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Speaker 1: to be difficult and like a slow process of helping
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Speaker 1: them bond and getting them used to it because it's
16:27
Speaker 1: a big change for everyone. See, if you ever want
16:30
Speaker 1: to babysit Jack and get Archie used to crying or anything,
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Speaker 1: let me know. Well, the thing is I think because
16:34
Speaker 1: the first time you ever brought Jack around– he was
16:37
Speaker 1: so small and Archie had never seen a baby. And
16:40
Speaker 1: I think he was like, oh my God, what is that?
16:42
Speaker 1: So when he's seen Jack, when he's a bit bigger,
16:44
Speaker 1: I think that's when he was a bit more like, oh,
16:46
Speaker 1: it's a human. And Jack was interactive with him because
16:48
Speaker 1: he was giggling at him. What do you think has
16:50
Speaker 1: been the most surprising thing about becoming pregnant? Because people
16:54
Speaker 1: often say, oh, you know, it's wild what people will
16:57
Speaker 1: ask you, or I can't believe that this is how
16:59
Speaker 1: I feel immediately. There's a few things like, I think
17:02
Speaker 1: I was so concerned that I wouldn't be able to
17:04
Speaker 1: fall pregnant that I never really allowed myself to think
17:07
Speaker 1: about what it would be like being pregnant. So when
17:10
Speaker 1: I first began, like found out that I was pregnant,
17:12
Speaker 1: I was shocked at how tired you feel. I was
17:16
Speaker 1: shocked at just starting to see changes in my body.
17:19
Speaker 1: Like you guys say, Oh, you don't even look that
17:21
Speaker 1: pregnant to begin with, but I can personally see the
17:23
Speaker 1: changes myself. Like the, the amount that your boobs get
17:27
Speaker 1: bigger is the first one where you're like, I think
17:29
Speaker 1: because we all have such small boobs and they're probably still,
17:32
Speaker 1: you know, most people would consider them quite small, but
17:35
Speaker 1: you just feel it in yourself. Yeah. And just not
17:37
Speaker 1: being able to, like my go-to is to wear jeans
17:40
Speaker 1: and a singlet. And because I've been so bloated in
17:43
Speaker 1: the first trimester, I haven't been able to wear a
17:45
Speaker 1: pair of jeans. So it's even like thinking what are
17:47
Speaker 1: outfits that I can wear where it's not obvious to
17:50
Speaker 1: my friends that I'm pregnant because I didn't want to
17:52
Speaker 1: tell my friends until I hit the three-month mark because
17:55
Speaker 1: I was just really paranoid about, you know, all the
17:57
Speaker 1: tests and the nest tests and all that sort of
17:58
Speaker 1: stuff that you have to do. I think the other
18:01
Speaker 1: surprising thing is that people feel like they can ask
18:04
Speaker 1: you any invasive questions. So the amount of people that
18:06
Speaker 1: have been like, oh, how are you giving birth? Well,
18:09
Speaker 1: I haven't even had a chance to like even think
18:11
Speaker 1: about it. Oh, there's so much judgment. Are you going
18:13
Speaker 1: public or private? Like there's a lot of– I've noticed
18:16
Speaker 1: there's a lot of class around it as well. I'm
18:19
Speaker 1: going public, public and proud. And I just feel like
18:22
Speaker 1: I'm people that will almost be like, oh, you're not
18:24
Speaker 1: going private. You're not having an obstetrician. I was at sombreros,
18:27
Speaker 1: my local sombreros, and they're so nice in there. And
18:30
Speaker 1: I mentioned that you guys were both pregnant and they
18:32
Speaker 1: even asked me what obstetrician you guys are going through.
18:34
Speaker 1: And I thought it was so funny. I didn't even
18:36
Speaker 1: know that was a question. Like I just, the thing that's,
18:38
Speaker 1: that I find so shocking is that everyone has an
18:41
Speaker 1: opinion on it. The judgment. I think it's, and everyone
18:45
Speaker 1: talks about mum shaming. I think that people get shamed
18:48
Speaker 1: a As soon as they become pregnant, people start judging
18:50
Speaker 1: every aspect. Something that's also shocked me is in the
18:53
Speaker 1: first trimester, just how many out of pocket expenses there
18:57
Speaker 1: are for all of the expensive scans. Like they hit
18:59
Speaker 1: you all at the one time. Like it's just crazy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we had a scan at, oh, I think
19:06
Speaker 1: it was 10 weeks just because they, too much information,
19:10
Speaker 1: but just because my periods weren't that regular, they wanted
19:12
Speaker 1: to actually find out how old the baby, how many
19:15
Speaker 1: weeks it was. So, yeah, I mean, once you start
19:19
Speaker 1: doing three or four scans in the first trimester, it
19:21
Speaker 1: gets really expensive. As I told you, Sophie, I think
19:24
Speaker 1: you're now at the moment when if you're in the
19:26
Speaker 1: public system, you get passed over to your midwife group.
19:29
Speaker 1: And from then on, I don't think I paid anything
19:32
Speaker 1: except like $ 20 at the hospital for the opioids. Well,
19:36
Speaker 1: that makes me feel a bit better. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
19:39
Speaker 1: then you're just paying a lot for all the baby stuff.
19:40
Speaker 1: I recently had a midwife appointment. It was actually an
19:43
Speaker 1: appointment that got moved towards the doctor because I asked
19:46
Speaker 1: if to have an elective cesarean. And my goodness, they
19:49
Speaker 1: make you feel bad about that. Like the amount of
19:52
Speaker 1: things they read out and you've got to sign your
19:53
Speaker 1: life away. And I just think, why is there so
19:56
Speaker 1: much judgment over how women choose to give birth? Like
19:59
Speaker 1: I have obviously thought about this. I know the risks
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Speaker 1: and I know that this is something that is better
20:04
Speaker 1: in the long run for me to do it this way.
20:06
Speaker 1: I actually, yeah, I have an issue with that too,
20:08
Speaker 1: because I was too scared to ask originally for an
20:11
Speaker 1: elective cesarean because I found there was judgment, particularly from
20:14
Speaker 1: the midwives, because I think that they really like to
20:16
Speaker 1: push in quotation marks, the natural process. Can I just say,
20:20
Speaker 1: and it's not, I think it's wrong to call it
20:22
Speaker 1: a natural birth. It is a vaginal birth. Yes, I know.
20:24
Speaker 1: But I'm saying from their perspective, like you really feel
20:27
Speaker 1: like they don't think it's natural. And you actually get
20:32
Speaker 1: to a point where you're like, am I even allowed
20:34
Speaker 1: to have this? But you are. So if anyone's listening
20:36
Speaker 1: who actually wants an elective cesarean, you can choose that.
20:39
Speaker 1: And you don't even have to provide an actual reason
20:42
Speaker 1: if you don't want to. Well, they quizzed me and
20:44
Speaker 1: I was like, Yeah, but even if it's not like
20:46
Speaker 1: they actually have to accept. You just have to stick
20:49
Speaker 1: to your guns if that's what you want. I think
20:50
Speaker 1: that's not even just with pregnancy. I think in any
20:53
Speaker 1: sort of medical environment, you always have to advocate for
20:55
Speaker 1: your own health and what's right for you. Yeah. Well,
20:58
Speaker 1: that's where we're going to wrap things up. But I
21:00
Speaker 1: feel like off the back of this episode, people may
21:02
Speaker 1: have some more questions because it is quite an unusual
21:05
Speaker 1: situation where you're both pregnant pretty much at the same time.
21:08
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21:10
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