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Bonus Episode: A Big Announcement, The True Crime and Grime of the Chelsea Hotel, and More · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard, to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt. Our mission here to uncover the truth,
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Speaker 1: to confront the myth, and to reclaim the story. On
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Speaker 1: this bonus episode, we've got some big news to announce.
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Speaker 1: In We're doing a recap on Patti Smith and the
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Speaker 1: true crime and Grime at the Chelsea Hotel back in
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Speaker 1: the day, previewing next week's episode on Grace Jones. Plus
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Speaker 1: we get into your email's comment dms, and as always,
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for
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Speaker 1: the musically obsessed, the outsiders, and the independent thinkers who
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Speaker 1: know that the best history is the history that gets buried.
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Speaker 1: Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told,
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Speaker 1: the kind you'll end up telling someone else, all Right, discos.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Happy first week of April discos. Listen,
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Speaker 1: I've got some exciting news for you that I've been
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Speaker 1: having a hard time keeping quiet about, and I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: spill it right here, right now. Disgraceland and Hollywood Land
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Speaker 1: are now part of the Exactly Right Network and the
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Speaker 1: iHeart Podcast Network. Exactly Right is the production company founded
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Speaker 1: by two badasses named Karen Kilgarriff and Georgia Hardstack, who
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Speaker 1: the world knows as the wildly successful hosts of the
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Speaker 1: My Favorite Murder podcast. I've been friends with Karen and
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Speaker 1: Georgia for a while now. They were two of the
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Speaker 1: first established podcasters to support Disgraceland. Back in the first
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Speaker 1: month of Disgraceland's existence, they talked about the show on
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Speaker 1: their podcast on My Favorite Murder. They appeared with me
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Speaker 1: a couple years later, about a year and a half
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Speaker 1: later at my book signing in Los Angeles. They had
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Speaker 1: me guest on an episode of My Favorite Murder a
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Speaker 1: couple of years after that, and we always kind of
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Speaker 1: felt like we were going to eventually work with each
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Speaker 1: other in some way, and now we are. Exactly Right
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Speaker 1: is part of the iHeart Podcast Network, so that means
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Speaker 1: that Disgraceland is now once again part of iHeart, and
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Speaker 1: I could not be happier about that. I had the
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Speaker 1: best time working with iHeart previously. The folks over there
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Speaker 1: who worked there, they really really know how to support talent.
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Speaker 1: So this is a match made in podcasts heaven, as
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Speaker 1: somebody said a couple weeks ago. So what does all
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Speaker 1: this mean for you guys, the listeners, Well, it means
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Speaker 1: that you're with me as always, and now a bunch
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Speaker 1: of other potentially new fans of Disgraceland who are going
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Speaker 1: to hear about this show now on a regular basis
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Speaker 1: from the folks at Exactly Right and iHeart, and we're
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Speaker 1: all going hand in hand, full steam ahead into this
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Speaker 1: next phase of the show together. The Murder Renos, the
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Speaker 1: fans of My Favorite Murder, are some of the most
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Speaker 1: passionate podcast and true crime fans on the planet, And
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Speaker 1: like Karen and Georgia, I know that they have great
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Speaker 1: taste in music. So the ones that I've met have
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Speaker 1: told me this, the ones that I've spoken to online
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Speaker 1: I can tell so this is really really going to
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Speaker 1: be a great partnership. We've got some exciting conversations going
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Speaker 1: on about how to grow Disgraceland even bigger than it
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Speaker 1: already is, about potential new content, new storytelling. Maybe I'll
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Speaker 1: start making some more appearances out there in the world
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Speaker 1: this year and on other podcasts. I'm not really sure
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Speaker 1: yet what I'm going to be doing, but all I
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Speaker 1: know is that it just feels good to once again
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Speaker 1: have partners to help myself and the folks over here
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Speaker 1: at Double Elvis. And the fact that it's these partners,
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Speaker 1: partners who really get the show, partners who really get
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Speaker 1: me as a creative person. I am just stoked, okay,
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Speaker 1: and I think you guys are going to be stoked
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Speaker 1: as well with the results. Now, if for some reason
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Speaker 1: you have not heard of or heard my Favorite Murder,
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Speaker 1: it's quite literally one of the biggest podcasts on the planet.
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Speaker 1: What Karen and Georgia have built with their show and
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Speaker 1: now with the Exactly Right network is super impressive. I
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Speaker 1: was out at their studio in La a couple of
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, and I was blown away by their growing
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Speaker 1: empire and also frankly by the folks who work at
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Speaker 1: Exactly Right. They couldn't have been cooler or more supportive
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Speaker 1: of Disgraceland and Hollywoodland. They're true fans. Same goes for
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Speaker 1: the iHeart folks that I ran into in Austin a
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Speaker 1: few weeks before that. When I was out in La
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Speaker 1: Though at Exactly Right, I sat down to film an
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Speaker 1: episode of My Favorite Murder with Karen and Georgia that's
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Speaker 1: out today. You can watch that on Netflix right now,
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Speaker 1: or listen to it on Apple Podcasts or in the
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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. This interview, though,
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Speaker 1: it's going to give you, guys, some insight into our friendship,
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Speaker 1: how it's grown over the years, and likely some history
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Speaker 1: on Disgraceland that you've never heard before, so check that out.
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Speaker 1: Disgraceland has been independent since twenty twenty three, and we've
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Speaker 1: had a lot of offers to partner with folks at
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Speaker 1: some pretty awesome networks podcast professionals who are making great,
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Speaker 1: award winning culture shifting content. But in the end, we
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Speaker 1: decided to go with exactly Right in iHeart, mainly because
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Speaker 1: of the comfort level that I have with these folks
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Speaker 1: as a creator, as a writer, as an artist, as
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Speaker 1: a podcaster. Karen Georgia, the folks at Exactly Right Now,
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Speaker 1: they really understand the show and the absolute pros overt.
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Speaker 1: iHeart totally understand talent and how to give talent the
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Speaker 1: right tools to grow. So that's why we made this
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Speaker 1: jump when we made it, and you can hear it
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Speaker 1: in my voice. I'm stoked, Zeth, Matt, Jamie, everybody here
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Speaker 1: at Double Elvis. We're all super excited and you're gonna
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Speaker 1: get some of that excitement in the Netflix my favorite
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Speaker 1: murder interview that's up on Netflix right now, and also,
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Speaker 1: like I said, it's available in audio wherever you get
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Speaker 1: your podcasts, so check that out. You know what else
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Speaker 1: is available right now? Something else that I'm very excited about,
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Speaker 1: something that we've been working very hard on these last
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Speaker 1: few weeks, harder than we not to say that we
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Speaker 1: don't give every episode our all, but something about this
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Speaker 1: Patti Smith story really really pulled us in and it's
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Speaker 1: a unique take on her story that you're not going
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Speaker 1: to get anywhere else. I'm pretty pretty hyped on the
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Speaker 1: production and what Matt put together with the score and
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Speaker 1: the audio, and we worked with our old friend Ryan
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Speaker 1: on this score as well, and just cannot wait for
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Speaker 1: you to hear this Patty Smith episode of Disgraceland. If
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Speaker 1: you have not already. Now, if you have heard it,
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Speaker 1: you're fully aware of how this is a true crime story.
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Speaker 1: But if you haven't, you might be saying to yourself,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, Patty Smith's story is true crime. Patti
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Speaker 1: Smith didn't kill anyone. Patty Smith was never busted for
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Speaker 1: anything serious. So how is Patti Smith a subject of disgraceland. Well,
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Speaker 1: as you'll hear when you listen, or as you might
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Speaker 1: have already heard, Patty Smith's story is steeped in true crime. Kidnapping,
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Speaker 1: Charles Manson, the Son of Sam chalk outlines of dead
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Speaker 1: bodies on the New York streets, blood splattered walls, junkie poets,
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Speaker 1: shotgun wielding novelists. This episode has it all, with the
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Speaker 1: godmother of punk at the center of it. You're gonna
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Speaker 1: dig it, trust me now. Patti Smith's story takes place
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Speaker 1: in part at the Chelsea Hotel in the late sixties
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Speaker 1: and early seventies, a hotel where a lot of great
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Speaker 1: culture was created, a lot of drugs were taken, some
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Speaker 1: people died, some people lived to tell about it. And
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Speaker 1: because of all this this lore, the Chelsea has been
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Speaker 1: depicted in numerous movies, some good, some bad. And Zeth
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Speaker 1: and I are going to talk about our favorites in
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Speaker 1: ad free listening. Okay, new Patti Smith, that's the episode
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Speaker 1: in your feed right now. Rewind episode coming this Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Yes again, if you didn't get the message last week,
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Speaker 1: Rewinds are now on Sunday. The Rewind episode this week
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Speaker 1: right after this after party bonus episode that you are
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Speaker 1: listening to our rewind episode, We're dipping back into our
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Speaker 1: archive of over two hundred and fifty episodes to bring
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Speaker 1: you our Taylor Swift story and the batshit craziness that
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Speaker 1: involves her many many stalkers and the links Taylor Swift
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Speaker 1: has had to go through to just keep making music
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Speaker 1: and you know, keep yourself safe. You're not gonna want
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Speaker 1: to miss this if you haven't heard it, and if
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Speaker 1: you have heard it, you know it's there for you
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Speaker 1: to check out again on new Sunday. Sundays are a good,
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Speaker 1: good podcast listening day. They really are got to breakaway.
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Speaker 1: I know, I know everyone's got their routines, you know,
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Speaker 1: but I'm typically making podcasts during the week. You know,
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Speaker 1: I don't have a commute, so I'm i'm I'm listening
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Speaker 1: on Sundays. Maybe you're like me. I don't know. Let
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Speaker 1: me know. Let me know when you listen to podcasts,
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Speaker 1: and how what your podcast listening routine is. I'm curious
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Speaker 1: up in the Patreon chat as well. That's a surefire
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Speaker 1: way to get my attention quickly. But back to the
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Speaker 1: agenda here, We've got, like I said, Patty Smith, new
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Speaker 1: episode right now, Taylor Swift rewind coming up next after
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Speaker 1: this bonus after party, and then next week our new
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Speaker 1: episode on Grace Jones. And I don't know about you guys,
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Speaker 1: but for me, growing up in the eighties and the nineties,
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Speaker 1: I was kind of like, who the hell is this person?
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Speaker 1: Who is Grace Jones. She's beautiful, she's hot, she's sexy,
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Speaker 1: but she's also masculine, you know, but this is weird contrast.
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Speaker 1: And she was in the eighties and nineties, more so
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Speaker 1: the eighties, she was everywhere, But I was always kind
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Speaker 1: of like, what the hell, what does she do? What's
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Speaker 1: her thing? Is she a singer? Is she an actor?
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Speaker 1: Is she Max Headroom's mistress? Why do I care? Why
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Speaker 1: don't I care?
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Speaker 2: More?
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Speaker 1: Well, we dug into Grace Jones and surprise, there's a
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Speaker 1: bunch of true crime at the core, at the heart
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Speaker 1: of her story. And bonus, I got to learn more
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Speaker 1: about this incredible artist when we got into making this episode.
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Speaker 1: So when you're listening to it, when you listen to
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Speaker 1: the new episode on Grace Jones next week and thinking
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Speaker 1: about Grace Jones and her multi hyphenate career, try to
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Speaker 1: answer this question, which of your favorite musicians successfully made
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Speaker 1: the transition to acting or conversely, which of your favorite
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Speaker 1: actors or successfully made the transition to becoming a rockstar?
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Speaker 1: to hear from you guys right now. Actually, so six
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Speaker 1: one seven nine o six six six three eight to
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Speaker 1: get in touch your voicemails and texts on last week's
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Speaker 1: Question of the Week on the other side.
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Speaker 2: Of this break.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you want to be a rock and roll star,
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Speaker 1: then listen now here what I say. I'm in the
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Speaker 1: phone booth. It's the one across the hall disco six
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Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six six six three eight. Last
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Speaker 1: week's Question of the Week was all about your favorite
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Speaker 1: musician memoirs, inspired by our episode on Patti Smith and
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Speaker 1: her incredible memoir Just Kids. Won the National Book Award
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Speaker 1: for that, and I asked you guys what you thought,
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Speaker 1: and you gave me some great answers on your favorite
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Speaker 1: music memoirs. Let's hear from Daniel in the seven oh seven.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Jake, this is Daniel from beautiful sunny Humble County, California.
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Speaker 3: Thank you climate Change. Not sure if you've ever had
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Speaker 3: a seven oh seven area call before, but here you go.
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Speaker 3: So as to the autobiography question, flash suggestion. I've been
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Speaker 3: very much enjoying the punk and pre punk bands of
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Speaker 3: the seventies you've been covering, and just this last month
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Speaker 3: I read the book cheat Uh Chrome, a Dead Boy's
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Speaker 3: Tale by the guitarist of the Dead Boys, who he
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Speaker 3: was originally from Rocket from the Tunes, but then he
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Speaker 3: joined the Dead Boys, which was a very early, very
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Speaker 3: engaging punk band in the mid early seventies, very much
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Speaker 3: a part of that whole New York CBGV Maxis Kansas
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Speaker 3: City time and place. That's so fascinating. And you've been
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Speaker 3: covering a lot of he knew and he ran, and
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Speaker 3: he played with all of those key bands, you know,
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Speaker 3: Ramon's Iggy Pop, the Guys from the Dolls, Johnny Thunders,
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Speaker 3: Rich a hell from TV television. I mean, and you
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Speaker 3: know the book is in it's equal parts of self serving, vulnerable, egotistical,
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Speaker 3: all the classic rock and roll punk stuff we know
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Speaker 3: and love. So that's kind of my suggestion. It's a
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Speaker 3: little bit of a deep cut Dead Boys not really
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Speaker 3: talked about enough as a band.
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Speaker 2: So cool.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Buck.
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Speaker 1: Daniel, Daniel Daniel, thank you for your voice memo in
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Speaker 1: reminding me that we need to do an episode on
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Speaker 1: the Dead Boys, or perhaps just on Stive Baters. But
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Speaker 1: this sounds like the main research source is Cheetah Cromb's book,
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Speaker 1: which you're mentioning here, And I appreciate you for that
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Speaker 1: I've always wanted to do an episode on Stive Baters.
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Speaker 1: This is one of the first I considered doing way
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Speaker 1: back in the day, prior to that first batch of stories.
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Speaker 1: It was on the list with Jerry Lee, Lewis, Sid
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Speaker 1: and Nancy, the Norwegian Black Metal Murders, Sam Cook, Lisa Lefti, Lopez,
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Speaker 1: all that stuff, and the Dead Boys were on that list.
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Speaker 1: I think because I don't remember if I read about
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Speaker 1: Stive Bader's death for the first time in the Legs
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Speaker 1: McNeil's Please Kill Me, but that book was instrumental in
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Speaker 1: getting me to start this podcast, and just the idea
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Speaker 1: that the way I heard it or read it, I
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Speaker 1: can't remember, Stive Baters was hit by a car and
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Speaker 1: refused to go to the hospital. She used to punk
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Speaker 1: rock or whatever, and ended up succumbing to his injuries
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Speaker 1: and dying, which is just mind blowing to me. And
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that's all in Cheetah Crome's memoir and I
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Speaker 1: can't wait to get into it. Thank you Daniel for
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Speaker 1: your voicemail. Appreciate it all. Right, same subject, Let's go
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Speaker 1: to the nine one six.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Jake, this is mister Taylor from Raleigh, North Carolina
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Speaker 2: calling in to respond to the question of the week
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Speaker 2: about the best rock and roll autobiographies or memoirs. And
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Speaker 2: I guess, if I was being cheeky, I would say
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Speaker 2: Cash by Johnny Cash. But it's not. It's not even
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Speaker 2: a rock and roll memoir. Quite frankly, the book is
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Speaker 2: Born Standing Up by Steve Martin. You know, I read
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Speaker 2: this when I was starting to get into stand up
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Speaker 2: comedy and was doing some shows locally, and I wanted
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Speaker 2: to go back and read about the great comedy luminaries.
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Speaker 2: And quite frankly, I didn't even understand Steve Martin when
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Speaker 2: I was a kid in the nineties. He was already
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Speaker 2: into his Father of the Bride Cheaper by the Dozen phase.
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Speaker 2: But I went read the book and it's incredible, And
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Speaker 2: you know what struck me it was so interesting is that,
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Speaker 2: you know, Steve Martin got a job at Disneyland when
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Speaker 2: he was ten years old. He worked there till he
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Speaker 2: was eighteen. By the time he was twenty, he was
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Speaker 2: doing a dozen shows a week at the Magic Store
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Speaker 2: at Nottsberry Farm. I mean, if you want to think
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Speaker 2: about it, the Milcolm Gladwell sence, I mean, he got
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Speaker 2: his ten thousand hours by the time he even reached maturity,
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Speaker 2: so it's no surprise that he burst onto the scene.
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Speaker 2: He was a fully formed comedian and was a rock
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Speaker 2: star in his own right, so much so that he
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Speaker 2: quit comedy when he was thirty years old at the
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Speaker 2: peak of his powers. And it was just a fascinating book,
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Speaker 2: an amazing read. Steve Martin has become just such a
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Speaker 2: big part of pop culture and comedy and film, but
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Speaker 2: I didn't really understand his position in the world of
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Speaker 2: creating the idea of rock star comedians. So it was
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Speaker 2: a great book. Highly recommends. Appreciate everything you do RockA
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Speaker 2: ROLLA nine one six.
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Speaker 1: This is another one that I'm grateful to be reminded
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Speaker 1: of the Steve Martin. Well, he's a musician actually, but
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Speaker 1: more comedian and I've heard this is fantastic. It's one
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Speaker 1: of those things that numerous people have told me about.
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Speaker 1: I seem to always forget about it, and to be honest,
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Speaker 1: I'm not always looking for music content in my spare
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Speaker 1: time to sit back and chill with, but this one
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Speaker 1: seems to be special, so I appreciate you bringing it
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Speaker 1: to my attention. And no shade on the Johnny The
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Speaker 1: Johnny Cash autobiography is mentioned all the time because it's
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Speaker 1: truly great. You can ask John Cusack's character in High
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Speaker 1: Fidelity about it. It's that great line I've read books
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Speaker 1: or whatever he says. And by the way, High Fidelity
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Speaker 1: is the next movie that we are covering in our
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Speaker 1: video podcast on great movie soundtracks and scores that's going
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Speaker 1: to be coming your way at the end of this month.
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Speaker 1: Go to disgrace impod dot com to become an all
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Speaker 1: access member to cop that content. Let's now, however, go
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Speaker 1: to the nine to seven to zero. Nine to seven
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Speaker 1: to zero had a great memoir recommendation, Matt, this is
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Speaker 1: a voice memo, not a voicemailble go ahead and find
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Speaker 1: that and play that for us, please.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Jake Artist Memoirs, rock and Roll Memoirs, Okay, Bill Graham
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Speaker 5: My Life Inside Rock and Out his memoir of being
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Speaker 5: born into Nazi Germany just before.
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Speaker 6: The war, being half a step ahead of the Nazis,
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Speaker 6: through the war, landing in an orphanage up the Hudson
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Speaker 6: River like Schenectady, getting adopted and brought to the Bronx,
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Speaker 6: learning about Latin music while living in the Five Boroughs
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Speaker 6: bouncing around being an actor, doing other things.
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Speaker 7: Finally landing on the West Coast and really hitting his
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Speaker 7: stride at about thirty three years old, when he found
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Speaker 7: all of the San Francisco musicians had no fucking business
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Speaker 7: sense and they're getting their asses kicked in the business world.
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Speaker 4: And then he went on to change the world. His
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Speaker 4: memoir also speaks about things like when to know how
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Speaker 4: to get off the wheel, and people howled when he
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Speaker 4: closed the Filmore East and the Fillmore West and stopped
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Speaker 4: certain other projects, but he knew better, he had a sense,
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Speaker 4: and then how to deal with conflict.
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Speaker 7: And what fucking big balls he had. So that's the
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Speaker 7: one that I would recommend. Bill Graham My Life Inside
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Speaker 7: Rock and Out.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, Bill Graham. Bill Graham's autobiography. Bill Graham, great
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Speaker 1: rock and roll promoter, one of the best, guy who
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Speaker 1: kind of broke the mold, guy who kind of invented
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Speaker 1: the business in a lot of ways. I read this
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Speaker 1: book in high school, one of the of the I
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Speaker 1: think I read it right around the time I read
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Speaker 1: Helter Skelter, and I never think of of how formative
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Speaker 1: Bill Graham's autobiography he is to this show. But pretty
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Speaker 1: damn formative. I'll never forget his depiction nine to seven
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Speaker 1: zero of Otis Redding and seeing Otis Redding live for
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Speaker 1: the first time on his stage, and he describes him
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Speaker 1: as pure sex. And I read that as like a
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Speaker 1: fifteen year old and I didn't know what to what
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Speaker 1: to make of that. I didn't know what he meant.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know what I didn't know, and then I
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Speaker 1: started I think I saw the Otis Redding. I know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I did. I saw the Otis Redding live at Monterey Footage,
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Speaker 1: and I got it. I was like, oh shit, I
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Speaker 1: know what Bill Graham was talking about. Great book. Bill
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Speaker 1: Graham will be an episode of Just Gray Sam at
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Speaker 1: some point. Thank you. Nine to seven zero, all right
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Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six six six three eight,
20:47
Speaker 1: Send me a voicemail, send me a text. If you're
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Speaker 1: shy five one two Allison hits us up. Hey, I'm
20:53
Speaker 1: super excited about the new season. Teresa, Teresa, I think
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Speaker 1: she means there there are some great story about Rookie
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Speaker 1: ericson Rocky Erics. Excuse me, it is a ridiculous arrest
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Speaker 1: and stint at the mental hospital. That's gonna be uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's that's coming eventually. Not on our list of next episodes.
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Speaker 1: We'll be covering that story soon enough, Allison, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much. Erica from the seven to one nine is
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Speaker 1: recommending a Girl in a Band by Kim Gordon, which
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Speaker 1: I own. I've yet to read it. I've skimmed it.
21:27
Speaker 1: And now this Courtney Love interview with Billy Corgan, it's
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Speaker 1: got me one. It's it's so kind of Caddy. I
21:34
Speaker 1: shouldn't be into it, but I'm just, I'm just I
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Speaker 1: got I got a lot of Kim Gordon intrigue right now.
21:41
Speaker 1: The fact that Courtney Love is talking shit about Kim
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Speaker 1: Gordon makes me kind of like Kim Gordon even more,
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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. I mean, Courtney Love not the
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Speaker 1: most reliable narrator, though I'm endlessly fascinated by her. And
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Speaker 1: there will be an episode on Kim Gordon at some point,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know what it's gonna be, but I
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Speaker 1: know I know that there's some them true crime there.
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Speaker 1: If there is for Patty Smith, there's gonna be for
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Speaker 1: Kim Gordon. That's all I gotta say. So we're gonna
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Speaker 1: figure that one out. Four, two five, Hey, Jake. Julia
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Speaker 1: from Seattle listening to the Patti Smith bit and it
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Speaker 1: brought me back to La nineteen seventy eight when I
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Speaker 1: got to see Patti Smith outside the Hollywood Liquorice Pizza
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Speaker 1: record store. It was insane. We're huge fans. And later
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Speaker 1: that summer, my crew and I saw television at the
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Speaker 1: Roxy just kitty corner to the Licorice Pizza. Such great
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Speaker 1: music rock a ROLLA yeah, wow, that's something you saw
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Speaker 1: some seminal rock and roll there, unreal. Thanks for the
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Speaker 1: text six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
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Speaker 1: Guys who want to hit me up on anything, that's
22:43
Speaker 1: how you do it via the voicemail and the text
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Speaker 1: can also email me Disgrace Lampod at gmail dot com. Okay,
22:52
Speaker 1: this email comes from Scott Harwood, who writes in Rock Memoirs.
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Speaker 1: Dave Grohl. I haven't read this yet. I'm reading it
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Speaker 1: for the first time now. On the mic, message says, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm a sixty eight model gen X who grew up
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Speaker 1: in that sweet spot of being thirteen when no one
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Speaker 1: here gets out alive. Came out and like most teenage
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Speaker 1: boys at that time, Jim Morrison was my north star
23:13
Speaker 1: to the point that I spent the last three years
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Speaker 1: of high school in military school. I wanted to recommend
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Speaker 1: Set the Knight on Fire by Doors guitarist Robbie Kreeger.
23:21
Speaker 1: He does a fantastic job of realigning the myths with
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Speaker 1: things such as telling us why Jim would have hated
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Speaker 1: being called Lizard King and why or how the lyrical
23:32
Speaker 1: mishap on ed Sullivan Girl we Couldn't get much higher
23:36
Speaker 1: was an innocent mistake of muscle memory responding to stage
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Speaker 1: fright and nervousness. It wasn't some glorious act of rebellion
23:42
Speaker 1: against the establishment. Things like that a fantastic read that
23:46
Speaker 1: I really needed as a fifty ish gen xer. Also,
23:49
Speaker 1: don't be too hard on Dave Grohl. I grew up
23:51
Speaker 1: in his neighborhood at the same time, and yeah, he
23:53
Speaker 1: has a huge ego, and deservedly so, and his nice
23:56
Speaker 1: guy image has certainly sharpened the knives going into him now.
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, he's a married rock
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Speaker 1: star who cheated on his wife, and I defy you
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Speaker 1: to name five rock stars who never cheated. And when
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Speaker 1: you can't, ask yourself why Grohl is catching so much
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Speaker 1: more shit than the others. He was very close to
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Speaker 1: his mother and his drummer. He lost them both within
24:17
Speaker 1: a short period of time. Yeah, and his drummer. He
24:18
Speaker 1: lost them both in the short period of time. Maybe
24:20
Speaker 1: give them a little slack. If not, maybe give him
24:22
Speaker 1: some space rather than comments and judgments. Have I been
24:26
Speaker 1: unfairly judgmental Dave Grohl as a person? I don't think
24:31
Speaker 1: I have at all, And I've already written the Foo
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Speaker 1: Fighters episode, and I think you're going to be. I
24:37
Speaker 1: don't want to give it away, Scott, but you know
24:40
Speaker 1: I'm fair, I'm fair, and you're absolutely right about you know,
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Speaker 1: a guy cheating on his wife, a rock star, excuse me,
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Speaker 1: cheating on his wife. And it's hard for me to
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Speaker 1: go there. I mean because look, I think Dave Groll
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Speaker 1: gets maybe more shit for that than most rock stars do,
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Speaker 1: because he has such the nice guy image. But dude,
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Speaker 1: we like I'll do full episodes on musicians and never
25:10
Speaker 1: once mentioned the infidelities. For some reason, the Dave Grol thing,
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Speaker 1: it's it's so much part of the story right now,
25:17
Speaker 1: and I think Dave Groll really wants to show his
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Speaker 1: family and his fans that he's earnestly trying to get
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Speaker 1: by this, and I'm not gonna fault him for that.
25:33
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not even it's just wait, just wait
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Speaker 1: for the episode. I don't want to burn it here.
25:39
Speaker 1: But Scott, everybody else, you know, I love Dave Grohl.
25:42
Speaker 1: I grew up with Dave Grohl, not like you did
25:44
Speaker 1: in the same neighborhood, but we all feel like we
25:47
Speaker 1: grew up with Dave Grohl. And you know, whether this
25:51
Speaker 1: was however, people people have these sort of what's the
25:54
Speaker 1: word parasocial relationships with rock stars where they really feel
25:57
Speaker 1: like they know them, and then when they fall it
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Speaker 1: hurts in a different way. And I think that's part
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Speaker 1: of what's going on here. But again, I'm not excusing it.
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Speaker 1: And as far as judgment goes, you're gonna have to
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Speaker 1: hear the episode that's coming up in a couple weeks.
26:12
Speaker 1: Disgrace Lampod at gmail dot com. You guys want to
26:15
Speaker 1: get in touch with me, can also dm me at
26:18
Speaker 1: disgracelam pod. On the subject of music memoirs, Paula Cook
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Speaker 1: writes it, Hey, there's a new book by Robbie Robinson
26:25
Speaker 1: talking about his relationship with Martin Scorsese. Paula, I know
26:29
Speaker 1: it well well, not well enough. I have that book
26:31
Speaker 1: literally on my nightstand. It's on a stack of books,
26:35
Speaker 1: part of a stack of books that I have not
26:36
Speaker 1: read yet that I want to read before I go
26:38
Speaker 1: on vacation this summer, so that then I can get
26:42
Speaker 1: my vacation books all lined up. You know what I'm saying.
26:44
Speaker 1: These are the books before the books, so to speak,
26:46
Speaker 1: and I'm woefully behind. But this one, the Robbie Robertson
26:51
Speaker 1: the Cocaine Book, as I'm calling it, top of the list.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for the reminder. Paula Cook on where are We Facebook?
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Speaker 1: Paula Facebook, Paula Cook, thank you. All right, guys, were
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Speaker 1: gonna come back on the other side with some music recommendations.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome back. As you may or may
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Speaker 1: not know, I was on the Hollywoodland Rap Party this
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Speaker 1: week doing a little music recommendation bit with Zeth. So
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Speaker 1: Zeth takes into account our Hollywood and true crime story
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Speaker 1: from our archive that week, and he creates two new
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Speaker 1: episodes to accompany hit the Rap Party, in the Screening
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Speaker 1: Room and in the Rap Party. I'm appearing now regularly again.
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Speaker 1: Once again, I was doing this prior. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: continue to do it now because we needed an expansive
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Speaker 1: place to talk about our recommendations, not just for music,
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Speaker 1: but for film as well. And Zeth has this really
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Speaker 1: kind of unique way of being able to tie the
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Speaker 1: history of film to these questions. These prompts get me
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Speaker 1: thinking about music in a new way. And he somehow
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Speaker 1: got this week from because we did the George rees
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Speaker 1: episode in Hollywood Land. George Reeves, of course played Superman
28:11
Speaker 1: and there's that whole crime around his story. Anyways, Seth
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Speaker 1: somehow connected that to actors who make the leap to
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Speaker 1: doing big, big superhero roles and how that relates to
28:25
Speaker 1: indie bands making the leap to major labels. And the
28:29
Speaker 1: question was, you know which, to me, which of those
28:32
Speaker 1: bands albums would I recommend? So we got into that
28:35
Speaker 1: over there, and it really had me thinking about a
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Speaker 1: lot of the hardcore stuff and indie stuff that I
28:41
Speaker 1: was into in the nineties. I don't want to say
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Speaker 1: friends of ours, but people we kind of knew from
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Speaker 1: the hardcore scene who were getting signed beyond the indie
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Speaker 1: labels that we were on the to these major labels,
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Speaker 1: and what our reactions to those records were at the time.
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Speaker 1: And it was a fascinating conversation. Super grateful for Zeth's
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Speaker 1: big brain for finding a way to get me into
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Speaker 1: it that way. Check that out. That's the rap Party.
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Speaker 1: You can just search Hollywood Land and Apple Podcasts or
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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts, and
29:12
Speaker 1: you'll find a bunch of archive episodes there, plus new
29:14
Speaker 1: ones every week that we're doing. And I use that
29:17
Speaker 1: as an excuse to recommend I'm not gonna talk about here,
29:22
Speaker 1: to recommend a TV show that is blowing my mind.
29:26
Speaker 1: I love it so much. And no, it's not Love Story.
29:30
Speaker 1: In our text thread, Zeth, myself and Matt are production
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Speaker 1: slash editorial text thread that we have going every week. Wait,
29:38
Speaker 1: I want to read it to you because it's just perfect.
29:42
Speaker 1: This is from Matt and Matt mixes all these episodes
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Speaker 1: anywhere its and hey, every rap party and after party
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Speaker 1: conversation lately is just an incremental process of Jake grooming
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Speaker 1: Zeth to watch Love Story. Ah, I swear that's not
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Speaker 1: what I'm recommending. Over there, he's gone Love Stories. It's
30:01
Speaker 1: it's over man, Let it go, Let it go. Okay, So,
30:07
Speaker 1: but there's something else that I think is actually better.
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Speaker 1: I got some good TV going on right now, and
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about that with Zeth in the wrap party.
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Speaker 1: But I'll also right here i'll talk about I'm loving
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Speaker 1: DTF Saint Louis. I know a lot of you probably
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Speaker 1: are as well. It started out slow for me. I
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Speaker 1: barely I was barely able to hang on, but I'm
30:26
Speaker 1: so glad that I did. Jason Bateman is on another
30:29
Speaker 1: level lately. Man just just so so incredibly talented. He's talented.
30:36
Speaker 1: His acting talent I think has reached a stage of
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Speaker 1: excellence that is beyond words. For me, I can't actually
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Speaker 1: describe it. I attempt to in the bonus section of
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Speaker 1: this after party a little bit with Zeth because we
30:50
Speaker 1: get into it a little bit. I don't know. I'm
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Speaker 1: interested to know if you guys are watching the show
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Speaker 1: six one seven nine, I was six six six three eight,
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Speaker 1: and what you think really interesting music choices by the way,
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Speaker 1: Some they hit the ball out of the park. Some
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just like, what what what is that?
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Speaker 8: What are you doing?
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Speaker 1: Man? I don't know. It's it's compelling though either way.
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Speaker 1: But back to music recommendations. We're gonna do, We're gonna do,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna play an old song new song here. Okay,
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Speaker 1: the new song that I'm recommending this week that I'm
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Speaker 1: listening to is Denial is a River by Doci Now
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Speaker 1: Florida hip hop artist here. This sounds very much like
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Speaker 1: a nineties New York hip hop artist. She fucking kills.
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Speaker 1: She's incredible. This song is amazing. This song is. It's
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Speaker 1: not super new, it's from twenty twenty four, but all
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Speaker 1: her stuff, her newer stuff, her older stuff, it is
31:41
Speaker 1: all great. This song is filthy jay Z, not filthy
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Speaker 1: like just in like a sex way, but just in
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Speaker 1: like a real kind of just in a real way.
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Speaker 1: It's a jay Z early Kanye Salt and Peppa, Missy Elliott.
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Speaker 1: It's all here. But this is it's it's more modern.
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Speaker 1: I almost said fresh, I didn't, and I know a
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Speaker 1: lot of you already know about this, and then I'm
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Speaker 1: late to the party. But I don't care. This shit rules.
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Speaker 1: I love it Doci, Sean Hastings. If you're listening, go
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Speaker 1: get that. Anyone else check it out. Old song wreck
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Speaker 1: Ryan Paris dolce Vita. Now. I don't know anything about
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Speaker 1: this song except that it came out in nineteen eighty
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Speaker 1: three and I heard it in some TV show probably
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Speaker 1: ten years ago. I don't know anything about this artist either.
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Speaker 1: This is Italian disco. Listen to this song. First of all,
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Speaker 1: this song is a great sort of mixed starter, all right,
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Speaker 1: like playlist starter, because it's going to cool you into
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Speaker 1: a bunch of disco that you've probably never heard of before.
32:38
Speaker 1: Because this song is obscure ish, people who are into
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Speaker 1: disco are going to know this, and people who are
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Speaker 1: into Italian disco are definitely going to know this. But
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Speaker 1: this song will just make you feel awesome. It'll make
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Speaker 1: you feel like you know, it'll just no matter where
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Speaker 1: you are, you're gonna feel like you're in a cool
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Speaker 1: robe next to a pool at a party with some
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Speaker 1: really good looking people. That's what this song does. It's
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Speaker 1: so good. You know that meme that's been going around
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Speaker 1: the last like twelve months of the two Italian dudes
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Speaker 1: like smoking cigarettes, you know, you know, off the on
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Speaker 1: the coast of the Mediterranean. They're just kind of bobbing
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Speaker 1: their heads to some cool disco. This is the shit
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Speaker 1: those guys were at one point listening to. I guarantee
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Speaker 1: it okay. Ryan Paris's Doulce Vita check it out all right.
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Speaker 1: Earlier in this episode, we were talking about Patti Smith
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Speaker 1: in the Chelsea Hotel, and for good reason. The Chelsea
33:31
Speaker 1: is where a large portion of Patty's story or formative story,
33:35
Speaker 1: i should say, it takes place. And there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of media, great media that has come out of that
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Speaker 1: time that Lore and Zeth and I are going to
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Speaker 1: try to sift through some of it in the exclusive
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Speaker 1: section of the after Party coming up in just a
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Speaker 1: few moments. If you're new to the show and you're like,
33:54
Speaker 1: what is the exclusive section? What the hell are you
33:57
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34:31
Speaker 1: and take a quick break, be right back. All right, guys,
34:47
Speaker 1: we are back, and before we recap and get out
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34:52
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Speaker 1: about two hundred and fifty stories artists from every genre
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35:45
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Speaker 1: All right, let's recap number one this week Patti Smith.
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Speaker 1: Our new episode, it's available for you to listen to
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Speaker 1: right now. Our rewind episode coming on Sunday. It's on
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. You're not gonna want to miss that. Next week,
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Speaker 1: our new episode on Grace Jones. Number four is Zeth
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Speaker 1: Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of
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36:46
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36:48
Speaker 1: forget this isn't just content. It's community, a community the obsessed.
36:52
Speaker 1: And no one cares about music, books, records and the
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Speaker 1: crime and grime that ties them all together like you do.
36:57
Speaker 1: And well that's a disgrace, all right. Back on March second,
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, Patti Smith released the song Because the
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Speaker 1: Night and reclaimed New York nights for lovers from the
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Speaker 1: fear of the Son of Sam. And here's what America
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Speaker 1: was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard Charts.
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Speaker 1: Number one, Love is Thicker than Water Andy Gibb last
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Speaker 1: week one, peak position one weeks on chart nineteen. Number
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Speaker 1: two Night Fever Begs last week five, peak position two
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Speaker 1: weeks on chart week six, number number three. Sometimes when
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Speaker 1: We Touched Dan Hill last week three, peak position five
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Speaker 1: weeks on chart weeks on sixteen, Number four. Emotion Samantha
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Speaker 1: Sang last week full of peak position four weeks on
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Speaker 1: chart seventeen, number number five.
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Speaker 8: Last week, Quit talking and start mixing.
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Speaker 5: Could