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The Breaking Wheel on the Bayou | Jean Baptiste Baudreau II · Beheaded

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to season five, episode seven.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_04: We're not dry.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_02: We're not dry.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_02: We're not damp.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_02: As you know, I don't observe this, but Megan observes dry January and she's come to her senses and I'm such an amateur.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_04: I couldn't even open the bottle of wine this evening.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_04: Where like half the cork got stuck in the bottle and then dropped into the bottle.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_04: So we just keep if we're like, if we're like like trying to it's gritty.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of cork in our wine.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: We have a second bottle, so that's cork-free right now.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: For now.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: However, what we have in our glasses is quite corky.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's a little gritty, sandy in there.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it was weird because like you popped it back into the bottle, right?
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: So it just hung out in there, but it kept blocking, like when we were trying to pour it, it kept like blocking the entrance.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: So she kept trying to pour and no wine was coming out.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's like on this, like there's just this piece of cork just dangling around in the bottle.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_04: Kept plugging it up.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_04: One month goes by, I don't even know how to open a bottle of wine anymore.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_04: I'll teach you.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, welcome back.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_04: So I I wasn't completely successful, but it was pre-planned.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_04: It was.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because on January 27th, we had a cocktail experience night, which we got these tickets for like back in December.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_04: So I wasn't gonna like be dry during a cocktail experience.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: Although that lady was in our lady.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't appreciate her.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't appreciate her either.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, no.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: It was like there was this the servers were outstanding.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think the servers.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: Backtrack.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: We went to, it was called the Edgar Allen Poe's Speakeasy.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_02: So it was in downtown Phoenix at this kind of like old historic, I don't know if it was a courthouse or bank or something.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's like an old theater.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_02: Is it a it was it originally a theater?
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it was originally like a courthouse or something, then they converted it.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: Convert it.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: Also, we should specify that like in Phoenix nothing's that old, right?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's probably built in like 1910.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: Our version of old 1910.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: So who knows what this building was, but it kind of sat alone.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: It was like its own little thing.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: It looked like a mini courthouse or bank, I guess.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: But you like you go in, and all the servers are also like the um, I guess, mixologists, and they're like the hosts.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: So they were like really good.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like everyone was very personable and they were kind of macabre and like these cool outfits.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was very gothic.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: Very gothic.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_04: I wore my snake tights.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: You did.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: I have these like cool fishnet tights with snakes going up the legs with a velvet black dress.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_04: We went with our friend Lisa.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_02: Hi Lisa, hello, and we had a great time.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like we got there, and the whole point was like there was kind of like I I would describe them as almost monologues.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was one actor who just went through either a poem or a play from Edgar Allan Poe, and it was very intense, and they had all these like you know, really intense like lights and music.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then at the end, you would get like a cocktail that's like this represents like this specific play you just watched.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_04: No, even better, they they brought out the cocktail before the monologue started.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_04: So the cocktail was themed, like so, for example, the black cat, it was like a Kahula, like milky cocktail.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um, for the telltale heart, it was something with like a blueberry that was like the pale blue eye in the middle of it.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um, of course, they did the Raven.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_04: What was the other one that they did?
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even remember.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_02: The red feast.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, which is a red cocktail.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so so it was great, but again, there was someone in our row who wanted like mocktails.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: So we kept passing down all the drinks, and she kept being like, oh, and the mocktail, the mock the mocktail, the mocktail thing.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_04: By the end, it was entire was like mocktail, mocktail girl, mocktail girl.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_04: Because they had to make her a special drink every time.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_04: And it was called like a an a Po speak easy cocktail experience.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like you kind of pay for that.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's included in your ticket to get these cocktails.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_04: I will say the cocktails got um worse as they went on, and they just kind of mixed everything.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_04: So by the end, the last cocktail was just like straight up Capri Sun and it was just juice.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_04: It was just fruit punch.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_04: It was so gross.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_04: Not not my forte, but it was I like I like the like the idea.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_04: Idea of it, yeah.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_02: It was cool.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_02: And again, like we kind of expected that because we talked about it beforehand and we're like, there's no way we're gonna get like awesome, stiff drinks each week.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: We're not gonna get four.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna get hammered right away.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_04: So I couldn't, I couldn't even do that.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_02: So they were like smaller, mostly juicy, sugary drinks, but it was a lot of mixing, and then we went out to dinner after, and then we went out to another bar after.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_04: So we got it was a great night.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_04: So that was we I broke my fast in the proper, most properest of ways.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, that was really fun.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_04: What else?
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_04: What else have we been doing?
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, let's see.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: We have been planning.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: This is a big weekend in Scottsdale.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think we've talked about this because it's like Super Bowl weekend and it's also Waste Management Open, which is a big one.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_02: Going to that.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: Going to that.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_04: So it's just, you know, this is a crazy weekend.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's a lot going on.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that Grammys happened.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_04: That was a big event for myself and all the other Swifties in the world.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_04: I felt bad.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_04: I can feel you all rolling your eyes.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: Stop it.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_04: Stop it.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: I can feel it.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_02: This is Megan's passion.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_02: We let her have it, okay?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Megan invited me.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: It was kind of last second, but she was like, hey, like, do you want to come over for the Grammys?
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, watch Taylor.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, well.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to come watch the Taylor show with me?
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's like, it's not about the Grammys, it's about Taylor.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and uh, I had just finished a big hike that day.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: I was dying, my legs couldn't even work.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I'm sorry, like I can't do this.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, fair enough.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_04: I get it.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: But you you had a good time with Taylor.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I ended up crying, like screaming, crying, screaming, perfect storm.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, when she like announced her new album, I just I called you and I was just like bawling, screaming, like freaking out.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't know, I just called everyone I knew.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't know who to latch on to in that moment.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: Robbie was your friend okay?
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_04: No, I was I don't think she's okay with that.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_04: It was not all too well in my book.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, here we go.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: This is gonna be Megan for the rest of the season, everybody's gonna be until April 19th, okay?
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_04: And then the new album comes, and then I only have to have like three months to 14 years of talking about it.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_04: And then we'll move on.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you guys are in for the ride, right?
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_04: This is slowly gonna transform into a Taylor Swift box.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's not.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: If anything, it's gonna be Disney before it's Taylor Swift.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_04: I can we just talk about the sweatshirt you're wearing today.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_04: I like it.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_04: What's what's what's the secret?
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_04: What's happening here?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: What's going on?
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_04: What's happening here?
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_04: What's the situation?
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: So, for those not on the YouTube, I'm just wearing a green sweater and it has it says Adventureland and then underneath Disneyland in small letters.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: And the Adventureland is like like each letter is a different type of um tribal print animal.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: Animal thing, something to do with Adventureland.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, woodsies, zebras.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: My mom bought this in like the late 90s.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: It feels nostalgically familiar.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she bought it for herself, to be clear.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_02: So like I remember that day so vividly because it was one of those like hot summer California days, like at Disneyland all day, and then at night it just gets cold.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: And everyone's like, oh my god, like gift shop, need a sweater.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_04: That's what that was the best part of not on like on purposely not bringing a sweatshirt or a jacket, because then you know you can buy one.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_04: That was always the trick.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_04: You have to.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you have to just gotta stay warm so we could stay here longer.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_04: You never bring a sweatshirt to Disney, just or anywhere, really.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_04: That's always the trick.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: Good trick.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: Just always buy one.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: So I remember this hanging in the shop.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, in Adventureland, if you're familiar with Disneyland, as soon as you get into Adventureland, it's like right by the old Aladdin and Jasmine Oasis and Jungle Cruise.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's one of the best gift shops in the entire park.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like they like weirdly sold like Billabong and Roxy stuff.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_02: They did, they sold like surfer stuff.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: They sell a lot of like Indiana Jones stuff.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's very like adventury, jungle.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: Outdoorsy, yeah, jungle-y, a lot of Hawaiian stuff.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: So this is the whole vibe, though, right here.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_02: That was the vibe.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember like seeing this hanging on a hanger, and I was like, oh, like what a cool sweater.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is the pinnacle of sweatshirt.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know you made it when you buy that sweater.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember my mom was like my mom was like, ah, that's so cute.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: And she bought it.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I like she's worn it like a lot since then.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: My mom's such like a you know, she's a little bit more than a little bit.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's a little worn out, I'm not gonna lie.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: Are you kidding?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: There's like holes, there's glitter coming across there's glitter on the sleeves, there's paint on the sleeves.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what?
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: But but when I was home last um in Colorado, like she had it in a pile for goodwill.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh no, I was like, give that to me.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: And she's like, this is all tattered.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, well, I'm gonna wear it at least once.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: I love this sweater.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm glad you appreciate it.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't think I'm gonna wear it, but like, I think I might, you know.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_04: I think you should.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's kind of cute.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know what I'm gonna do with it because those who know know.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_04: But it's when they see it, they're like, oh, that just screams circa 98 Disneyland.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_04: Truly.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_04: Uh what a what a time.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: What an era.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: What an era.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm glad you appreciate it.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: But all right, well, um speaking of breaking fast, and I guess this time of the year, um, Marty Gras next week.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Which kind of leads us into who our person is this evening.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_04: That what a great transition.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_04: So last week or whatever when two weeks ago.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_04: Two weeks ago, we recorded our our breaking of the fast episode.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_04: And then now we are talking about a New Orleans themed, French themed.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_04: We just finished the French wine, so we don't have that bottle to showcase.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_04: But especially over there.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, huh?
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: Hi.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: You can't see it's off camera.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but and this is this is really great because you've really how many what's your streak now on Duolingo?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: Gosh.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: Or French.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: My French streak on Duolingo is somewhere around like 445 days.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's great.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm over a year.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: I've hit the one-year streak society.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I've been studying longer than that.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: I've specified this, but like that's just happens to be how many consistent days I've been doing it.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_04: That's really, really fantastic.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_04: Even when we were in London, you were doing Duolingo in bed.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_04: Mega would go to sleep, but I'd be there practicing my French on my phone at night.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_04: So anytime we have to say his name, you're gonna say it.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_04: So what's his name?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_04: Say his name, say his name.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: I want to be clear, I'm not a French speaker.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: I only know the French words I've learned in Duolingo for the last couple of years, but I believe it's pronounced Jean-Baptiste Badreau.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't there more to it?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, we're gonna get into what his native uh birth name was, but that is how he's known.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sorry, I thought he had a longer name than that.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: He does, okay.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: So just jumping right into it, he was born Jean-Baptiste di Gravellin the second.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Why isn't Badreau in his last name?
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: He changed it.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think he did.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Freaking no.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's okay.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna, I think for the simplicity's sake, as we always do, name him something easier for us to say, which is just Jean or Jean Baptiste.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: Jean Baptiste.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_02: Don't even get started.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: Jean Baptiste! Don't even get started.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_04: No, I can't say it like that.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: No, are you about to sing LeMaze?
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_04: Well, now I am.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_04: There's been a lot of songs going through my mind actually through this whole learning process.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_04: So that's that could be one of them.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'll let you tackle Jean Vau Jean.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean there it goes.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'll let you tackle early life.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I forgot I was doing early.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Monsieur Von Jean-Baptiste.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_04: He was he was born either 1710 or 1715.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_04: It's like always our favorite when we don't know the exact date.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: In the 1710s.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_04: 1710s.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and he was born in French territory in Louisiana called Massacre Island, which is basically now it's actually part of Alabama now.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_04: So it the territory's changed around a lot since um, and this is all prior to even America being America.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: And this is it's present-day Dauphine Island in Alabama, which I thought Dauphine was an interesting word.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the Dauphine of France, right?
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's all very French.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_02: So it's still very a lot of French influence, even to this day.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and if you know current Alabama, it's near like Mobile County, like Mobile, Alabama.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_04: His father was a captain of the militia, and he was actually one of the first settlers in Mississippi and in Mobile, Alabama.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_04: So he's got some like deep-rooted history in his family as being some natives to South Amer South America.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: That sounds weird.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_04: Nothing of America.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_04: Southern America.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_02: So even his grandfather, so Jean-Baptiste II's grandfather, he was like a well-known kind of settler in the Quebec area in Cat in Canada.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: So almost for generations now, they're like these, you know, French um you know, they're not-I don't want to say nationality because they're not really from France at this point, but they're French.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_04: They're French heritage who have now established in different parts of the American.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_04: Either North America or well, Canada's North America, but Canada or in Southern North America.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_04: Uh his mother was actually Native American.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_04: Her name was Suzanne.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_04: Very native.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_04: Suzanne.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_04: Definitely like a transgressional name.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_04: Is that the right word for that?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: What's a transgressional name?
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_04: I think I made up that term.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm actually.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: You mean like a like a, you know, like when you're in Ellis Island and they just give you a name that they can pronounce.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it reminded me a little bit of I we're approaching Oscar season.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_04: I just watched Killers of the Flower Moon.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_04: Have you seen it?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't yet.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_04: You like it?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's long.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_04: It's three and a half hours long.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's very like.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_04: That should be a mini-series.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_04: Very Martin Scorsese, like very Leonardo Capri.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_04: I had a really good message.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_04: I liked the overall theme of the movie and I liked the plot, but it was just long.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: All that said.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: Really quick question.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: Are there any strong female characters in that movie?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_04: Good.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_04: And she's up for, I'm pretty sure she's up for best supporting actress.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_02: But is she like a weakling in the movie?
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: Or is she like someone you'd want to be?
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I don't want to like spoil anything.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, then don't.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: But she comes out strong.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we'll see.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's my only qualm with a lot of Scorsese is I think he makes women look stupid a lot of times.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't appreciate that.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_04: Uh there are some stupid people in the yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_04: There there's that too.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_04: But it is but the the whole movie is about how um this this tribe is dwindling, they're becoming white because they the the daughters keep marrying into marrying white men.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_04: Oh and they're and it it was kind of like interesting seeing this time period in the 1920s, 1930s where uh they're transitioning out of their native garb.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_04: So it's kind of like partially like white.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_04: What's the right word?
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: Like yeah, I don't know what the right word for it is.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_04: I want to like say it incorrectly, but yeah, it's like this weird transitional phase of where they're wearing like partially modernized white but white white people clothing, but then they also have like tribal influences in their clothes, and they still have you know keeping braids and whatnot, but it reminded me of that, and that's kind of the whole purpose of the movie is how their their tribe and their culture is fading away.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like that's kind of what was going on with Suzanne, the fact that she um she had an affair with Jean Baptiste Baptiste's father because he was born illegitimately out of wedlock.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: Jean Baptiste II was.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Jean our our guy of the of the evening.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_04: He was born illegitimately.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_04: And then his father ended up marrying Suzanne just to try to legitimize their son.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_04: But I feel like she was trying to get absorbed into this white culture a little bit.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: It also he didn't marry her until Jean-Baptiste II was around like 12 years old.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: So it took him a while.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure for a decade it was just like, oh, whether it was in a strange relationship or whether it was like her constantly being like, hey, he's your son, he's your son.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: But it just it took him a good while before he actually married Suzanne to legitimize his son.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_04: How charming.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_04: Romantic.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_04: So Jean-Baptiste is kind of in this interesting position because he's half French, half Native American.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh he grows up, as people do, and he first he he marries a Protestant woman.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but in the 1740s, he's having an affair with a lady named Marie Henriette Huitt.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_04: Ooh.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_04: And her family was rich.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_04: They owned a plantation.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: Rich Southern Belle, it sounds like.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: In Porterville, Portersville Bay, so kind of nearby.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: And he has two illegitimate children with her.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_04: Ooh.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Out of yeah.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_04: Not that that's like so scandalous, but back then that was scandalous, right?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_04: Kind of taking after his father a little bit.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_04: Uh supposedly, one of these illegitimate children, one of the sons, is the founder of Codin, Alabama.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_04: So if anyone is familiar with Codan or Codon, C-O-D-E-N, Alabama, look them up.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um, look them up.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe you know, there's some connections there if you know where that is.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: I also feel like this is an era where if you just existed, a town was named after you.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like there's no one there yet.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's natives.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of land.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: There's natives, but there's a lot of taking space.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the French and the British are taking over a lot of these territories, so it's like there's probably 12 people in your town, and you're like, all right, that's called Gary.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's called John.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: Gary, that's uh John's town.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_04: All of this is kind of on the cusp of the French and Indian War, too.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_04: So that's right before.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_04: Tensions are rising here.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: So throughout Jean-Baptiste II's life, he starts to have run-ins with the French authorities in the area.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so he was imprisoned several times, in fact.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: And people aren't quite sure like what the reason is because he didn't necessarily do anything that was ever that quote unquote, like, bad.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's not like he was a mass murderer, like he didn't break all these crazy laws.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we'll get into exactly what his um the main things uh that he did to bring him in was.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: There seems to be this consensus that like the the French authorities had it out for him because he's half native.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: So they have suspicions about him, naturally.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, Are you loyal to us or are you loyal loyal to the Native Americans?
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like, um, they all they had Jean-Baptiste II like you, like they used him as an um negotiator.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: So he would go and he'd trade with the natives.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: He's very familiar with them, obviously, they liked him.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of funny because it was a double-edged sword with like, yeah, like go make our deals with the natives, thank you.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, trade this, trade that.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: But then they're like, okay, but now you're getting too cozy with the natives.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, can you dial it back and be more French?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that's the nature of, I mean, anyone who's biracial experiences that, but especially in this era when it's so clear of like you had to be on one side of the fence or the other.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: And if you're half, that's tough for you.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, where do you fall?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_04: And I wonder if the Native Americans also had similar suspicions about him because of his ties with the French.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure, you know.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it went both ways, I'm sure.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I did find it was really funny that there was almost nothing, like you said, these crimes were not egregious by any means.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_04: And it just kept saying like he was in he was just in prison.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_04: He kept really he kept getting imprisoned.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: We don't know why.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: Elizabeth and I were just like, but what did he do?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: We don't know.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: And even again, we'll get into this more, but like the things that he actually did don't really hold that much weight.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: So the first like real thing that's documented is apparently he took this little excursion to Havana, which at the time, I mean, I don't know.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so it's Havana, Cuba, right?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, is Cuba at that time Spanish?
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Is it is it French?
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: Is it British?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like, because at this time the Caribbean is very mixed, like there are French influences, ton of Spanish influence, and even the British are in there too.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like I'm not really sure where Havana was at that point in time.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: I have no idea.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but he took this excursion to Havana in like the 1740s, and all of a sudden the French authorities accuse him of like kidnapping somebody.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: Who?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not sure if that means because there were accounts saying he kidnapped his mistress.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: Does that mean like he took like Marie, like Henriette to Havana?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, you kidnapped her?
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like he took his lady on a nice little tropical vacation.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: And apparently that was kidnapping because it's not his wife.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: It seemed like there wasn't detail at all.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: It was very much like he had to kidnap somebody.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: And he's in prison.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: And he's in prison.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_04: This guy just had like a bad reputation, I feel like.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_04: People just didn't like him.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so we read somewhere that he was actually in prison for the kidnapping charge for like five years or something crazy.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: But eventually he broke out of prison.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, what does he do if you're on the run from the French in this area and you're half Native American?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: You go hide with the Native Americans.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: So he goes and like he seeks refuge in this area of again, Mobile County, Alabama, where the natives were at that time.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: And they very much protect him.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: They're like refusing to give him up to the French, and they are basically like, the only way you're getting him, and the only way we'll continue to trade with you, is if you drop all of his charges, whatever this dumb kidnapping thing is.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: So the governor at the time, I think it was Governor Vandriel, if I'm saying that right, he petitioned um to pardon Jean all the way to like King Louis XV of France.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: So that's how far it went.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's how important all of this was.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_04: Which is weird, because this is French territory, they're still reporting to the King of France.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: And imagine how long that communication takes.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_04: You know, We we've talked about in past episodes about transporting letters and how you like you know that it's not a smooth process in the 1700s.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: This is there is no so he's just sitting in prison the whole time waiting for it.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: And like we'll we'll get to the obvious, right?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: There's no email, there's no postal service, there's no telegraph, there's no wireless anything.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: You literally have to just do handwritten documents that you trust to someone to take on a boat that will take months to cross the Atlantic to go to a French king, her may or may not see it right away, and then wait for a response.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how long has this all taken?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: No wonder he's sat in prison for five years.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: And also, though, those ships cannot be coming and going and like leaving port that frequently.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_04: This isn't American Airlines, they're not just doing daily trips, so you have to kind of wait for the ship to leave.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: Also, I like that we have to explain this stuff sometimes because I feel like you have to remember certain parts of history, like you know, like the modern conveniences weren't there.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: And as much as we know that, yeah, but to actually explain it, you're like, oh shit, like that's like Gen Z's now.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: How often did a ship come?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, Gen Z's, you literally have to tell them what it was like.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_04: And no offense if you're a Gen Z listening, we appreciate you, but you literally have to tell them what life was like before the internet, or even just before smartphones.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_04: The panic of having to print out map quest directions and have your mother like screaming at you while you're trying to figure out like, is it left or like when do you turn?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_04: Reading off the directions to someone while they're driving.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: I remember it was only probably like 10 years ago, maybe 12.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: I literally was like on the phone with my boyfriend at the time because like I didn't have maps on my phone.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I'm lost, you gotta like help me out.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: And he like turn by turn was on his computer map quest, like telling me, okay, turn this way, go here.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: Because like that didn't exist that technology didn't exist.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: What year was that?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like 2011, 2012.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's not that long ago.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_04: I only had that back then.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Not really.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I still had the extent that I still had a blackberry, I think then.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: My blackberry didn't have maps.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: You had a blackberry?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: I could totally see you with a blackberry.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: Blackberry girl BBM.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_04: I could also see you.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_04: What were the ones that like had the little keyboard that you flipped up?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: The like sidekick thing?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't have one of those.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_04: I could see you with one of those.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: I was I was a razor girl.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: I had a razor.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_04: You had a razor?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then the Blackberry was like end of college.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like you were cool if you had a Blackberry.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: So everyone had Blackberry.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: You had a Mac for schoolwork and you had a Blackberry.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: So but I kept my Blackberry too long, like after college.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so it was like I had to call people and be like, can you map quest me?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: The thing I do appreciate about you is you do not get rid of something.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_04: Like if it's not broke, like don't replace it, don't whatever.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_04: It hurts you, and it and it's a good thing.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_04: But I can absolutely picture you in like 2018, like while my BlackBerry's still working.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's 2018, let's be clear.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: But no, Megan's right.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I am so a person.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like when people talk about like, oh, you can do that iPhone jump thing where like every year you trade in your iPhone for the newest one.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, why would I ever use that?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: What version do you have right now?
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, mine I got in 2020.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, oh, you did get a new one sort of recently.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_04: You're like, that's so new for you.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: For half a second, I was just like, oh, 2020 just was last year.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_04: And then I'm like, wait.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: To be fair, it was the end of 2020, so it's basically 2021.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: So that's like three years ago.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: That's not that bad.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, for me, that's really good.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I will use something until it is broken dead.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: And like, even okay, this shows my point real quick.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, tangent.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: I still literally me and Robbie last night were playing my N64.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_04: But that's vintage.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_04: Were you wearing your 1998 residents surely?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think that N64 is older than this sweatshirt.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_04: That N64, you and I have played a Mario Go-Kart on it as well.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_04: And it is fun.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's so fun.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_04: It just it's so weird how it just all comes back to you.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_04: You remember all the buttons.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_04: Instantly you remember the shortcuts, you remember like the different tracks, the rainbow road, and the islands, and you're like, oh, I'm you know where to go.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's like remembering an old song.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: You just yeah, old song or like riding a bike, you're just like it comes to you.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: So we were playing that last night, and I was just like, Yeah, like I I will I will use whatever to like make my old technology adapt if I still like it.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like I had to buy all these adapters to like go into my smart TV and whatever.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_04: You've got your 1995 and 64 on your smart TV.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_04: I'm so impressed.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_04: 97?
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, so 97.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_04: So, anyway, big time.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: I forgot where we were going with that.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, we were just talking about sure.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's not modern day.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: We don't have emails, yeah.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like cities are barely formed, right?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like this is this is 1700s in the American South.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: So, back to our story.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry for all of that.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so so now we're getting to the point where he is finally, you know, the charges are dropped from King uh Louis XV.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then this is now now approaching the 1750s.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: So, 1750s, he is then imprisoned again.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: He's in trouble again.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: On Cat Island.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_04: Get it together.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: Figure shit.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like he's doing something wrong if he keeps getting caught.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe he probably did way more illegal ship, but this is just what they found.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: This is just scratching the surface.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, he was imprisoned again on Cat Island, Mississippi.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Side note, how fun is it to write Mississippi down?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I hated it every time.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: I just said Mississippi.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so char uh the charges this time were that he was illegally salvaging wrecked ships off the coast.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: Who cares?
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Who cares?
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like, who gives a shit?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's a 1700.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: He sounds resourceful more than anything.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: He's like the guy who he's like on the beach, like finding old stuff and like refurbishing it, and then being like, this is the greatest, like polish it up a little bit, resell it on the market.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_04: He's just like you, he's resourceful and he holds on to things.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was like, This is the 1997 edition of N64, and it still works, okay?
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: So he's salvaging.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: I respect it.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_04: Why don't they like that?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: He took his mistress to Havana.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: What's the big deal?
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: So, anyway, sounds like a cool guy.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: He's having a great time.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: I particularly like Jean-Baptiste.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then it isn't until like so again, he's he's in prison now.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Again.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_05: Again.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: And then in 1757, so a few years after he's imprisoned, the soldiers of the prison that he's at start to mutiny.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: So they actually kill their commanding officer.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: This has nothing to do with him.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: I was a little confused about this part.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, Megan.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_04: So who?
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so he's in prison for salvaging the war the wrecked ships.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: He's in trouble for his own shit.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: The the soldiers at the prison, the guards.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, it was the guards, the other.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, they're they're like French soldiers who are wat watching this prison.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: They mutiny against the like warden.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: And they they murder the commanding officer.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: I wonder what their deal was.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: I would like to know that.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_04: We we had a lot of questions through this.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_04: Like, we were finding bits and pieces, but when you someone needs to write like a novel about this.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: You need I don't know how you can find this information nowadays.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: I guess like tons of just interviews with descendants, like, because I mean there's not physical evidence that exists.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe some documentation from the old prison records, I guess.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: This is why I'm not a historian.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what is it?
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: There's no social media, there's no Instagram, no one had it on their phones.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: We don't know what happened.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: Who's Instagramming this?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what's whose stories are are documenting this?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so okay, so to rewind, soldiers in the prison, mutiny, kill their commanding officer.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: And then they take Jean because they're very well aware that like Jean's a good resource to have because he's half native, he knows a lot of the the land, he knows how to navigate around.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: So they force him to be their guide.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: And they essentially go into like the outskirts of the county and have him like guide them.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_04: Like by gunpoint, they were forcing him.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_04: What are so to what to go find more like shipwrecks to salvage?
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like what are they?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they went into like the you know, deeper into the country, like not in the coastline, I think.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think for what?
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure at this point.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I know I'm putting you on the spot.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_04: I these these are slightly rhetorical questions.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: I have to answer these large questions.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe to to steal?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: To if okay, well, if you're the guards, right?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: I just killed my boss, you're bored.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: There's not a lot of authority, there's not a lot of stuff to do here.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you're just looking for new land to build a new community or like start fresh somewhere.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like maybe you're just like adventuring on.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, this is still new world times.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: There's there's resources, there's gold, maybe.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like, who knows?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they just go off to be like, yeah, let's find something new and let's build fresh.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like, who knows?
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_04: They're gonna John Smith it and find the gold.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: Imagine the opening montage, you know?
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: Pocahontas.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: Pocahontas, and John Smith's like, oh he's like, I don't plan to miss one, you know.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: But so this is what these guys are doing.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, they're they're singing around the forest.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: And um my, my.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_04: This is a episode full of songs.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_04: I'm so sorry.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: What a wonderful song.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, that might need to be the outro song.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: What a great song.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: One of these days, someone's not gonna like all these outro songs.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: When I say someone, I mean like copyright versions of you know what?
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: If you take it down, then you know we made it, okay?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we just we got on the we see how far we can get away with things.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so um, at this point, like Jean's not stupid, right?
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: Jean Baptiste II, he's like, okay, you have to sign a document stating that I'm not part of your mutiny.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like, at this point, he's you know, he's starting, he's still trying to salvage his name.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like his his grandfather was someone, his father was someone.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_04: Guys, I'm I'm already in trouble here.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I've already, yeah, I've already been in prison.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: Can you just sign something saying I had nothing to say?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_04: And they released him from prison to help with this excavation, this adventure.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_04: Expedition.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_04: Expedition.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe there's excavation.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_04: Excavation.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know what they were doing.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: So they have sandwiches.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_04: Perhaps.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_04: We don't know.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_04: We don't know these things, and that's why we're we're figuring it out together.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: So so he has a certificate saying, no, Jean-Baptiste II was not.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_04: I am not a bad person.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: I was held at gunpoint and I didn't want to be here.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: But it didn't matter.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: The governor at the time, um, I think I'm gonna say this wrong, but here we go.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, Governor uh Curlians.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: Curliens?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_04: Are you saying it wrong because he can't read your writings?
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, I can't read my handwriting.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't write it down, so I got bored at that point.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he had court-martialed um Jean-Baptiste II, so he's like, he's like, he needs to be brought in and brought to justice.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: So he brings him back.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's never really discussed exactly what the charges are.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: At this point, we only know about the kidnapping, alleged kidnapping, and we don't know who he kidnapped.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_04: And the the ships salvaging old ships turning over and refurbishing some old vehicles.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: But it was enough for him to get sentenced to death.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_04: Well that's a heavy sentence.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_04: And he had this piece of paper being like, but I'm not, I didn't do anything.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like I'm not a part of this mutiny.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I get it if it's a treasonous charge.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: But like not then no real evidence.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: It was just like, hey, we're sick of your shit.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: We know you're a troublemaker, like death.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: And not only is it death, they decide to kill him in one of the worst, like humanly ways possible.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_04: So it gets worse.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_04: We're in America, we're in New Orleans, we're in the 1750s, so you kind of just assume like hanging firing squad, maybe.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_04: Do they have firing squads back then?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: During the Revolutionary War, didn't they?
• 33:57
  unknown: Maybe.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, revolution was like half a century after this.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_04: I mean 20-ish years.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_04: I guess.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_04: Anyways, we're not expecting like medieval archaic torture devices.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_04: So the reason that we are sharing John Baptista's story and why we're so fascinated about it, is because he is potentially the only person in America's history who was executed by being broken on the wheel.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_04: I I can't what's the correct like verb verbiage of that?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_04: The breaking.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, breaking on the wheel.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: Breaking on the wheel.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_04: You don't you want to say like broken on the wheel or you're executed on the breaking wheel.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_04: It's the breaking wheel.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_04: The breaking wheel is the noun.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_04: You you're being broken.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_04: You are being broken on the breaking wheel.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_04: What the heck does that mean?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_04: You're probably like, well, these girls are not.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: We've had wheel executions before.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: I believe the um the Tavera.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_04: The Tavera affair, thank you.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was a big display of many wheels and many people.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: Many wheels.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: We've talked about this before.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: Megan's gonna go into some of the specifics of like what could what that could mean.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because we talked about it in one way on that episode, but there might be other ways where you can be quote unquote broken on the wheel.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_04: So this is why you're gonna love this.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_04: The wheel was incredibly versatile.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_04: It was this great invention of how many ways that we could use this.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_04: So when we say wheel, we mean a giant wagon wheel.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_04: Probably like up to five feet in diameter.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_04: Probably longer, maybe bigger.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: But you assume, like assume he was six foot.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_04: Probably up to six feet diameter.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_04: Then so a very large wheel.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_04: And there's different ways that they would use the wheel.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_04: One is not for execution, but just as a torture device.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_04: They might strap up somebody around the ex like the circumference, like the exterior of the wheel.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: And they would just kind of like spigot them around, like winding them around on the wheel over a fire or something, like scratch them up.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_04: They might do that same type of position and tie them up around the the circumference.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_04: The perimeter of the wheel and like roll them down a hill.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_04: That would pretty much kill you.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, could kill you.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it would maybe knock you about.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_04: They, and this is what happened with Jean-Baptiste when it turns into more of a form of execution.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: They could tie someone onto the wheel and just beat the bloody shit out of them.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like you're almost spread out like a you know, spreading.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_04: Starfish style.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like starfish, you know, like a cross, and they could just tie you up and literally just pound every single like bone in your body.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_04: The point was to to break the bones, which is why they called it the breaking wheel, because they would take, yeah, like hammers and giant actually, the I I keep referencing it, I realize it, but the memoirs of the prog executioner, that was like a primary uh tool that that he used a lot was the breaking wheel.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, yes, but so the crowd got excited the longer it took.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_04: And the more that the person was in agony, um, that was preference of the audience.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_04: But sometimes, depending on the situation, the executioner might do a favor for the victim and either cut their throat or knock them out or give them like a sedative or something of sorts.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: There's no sedatives, maybe bourbon.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, kind of help them out a little bit and then potentially kill them first and then break their body just for show.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um there's also some records where they would like intertwine their limbs around the spokes.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like, so you weren't just like laid out in an X on the wheel, you might be like woven through with your arms and legs.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Creative.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, why waste time?
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, what's the point of all that?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: The spectacle of it all.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: The symbolism.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: The symbolism, like you weaved your way through society one too many times.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't know, something like that.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, I keep tapping your I keep touching you.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_04: You're fine.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, don't do that.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, so, anyways, this was the sentence for Jean-Baptiste.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they decided to take to to do this, they said decided for this to take place in front of the St.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: Louis Cathedral in New Orleans, which is still there to this day.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's actually like if you are familiar with New Orleans, it's in Jackson Square area.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: So not too far from the Mississippi River.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: Back then, obviously, it was less of a tourist trap, not as many restaurants and shops.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_04: I almost was gonna say you were just there, but again, that was 2020.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: See how misconstrued our concept of time is?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was in New Orleans in 2020, and to me, I'm just like, oh my gosh, I just took a trip there.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_04: You were there right when COVID started becoming a thing.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: I love because you and Jake took us to the airport.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember like you guys were taking us to the airport, and it was early like COVID wasn't a thing.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: It was February 2020.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember Jake saying, Hey, are you guys like nervous about this coronavirus?
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: And we're like, no, like we're fine.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: And you heard about this?
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: This is before masks, this is before like it was it didn't really even hit the country yet.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember like that was the the conversation was like, Are you afraid of coronavirus?
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I don't even know what that is, that sounds stupid.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember Jake being very specific where he's like, Well, apparently it travels through like the water droplets if people sneeze or if they spit.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, So if you're running your marathon down there, like just be careful if someone like spits near you.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_04: Someone just sweats all over you.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Yeah, that's fine.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: And what's even like better now that I see this in hindsight, there we had a layover, so we actually flew from Phoenix to LA first, and then LA to New Orleans.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: And the on the plane from LA to New Orleans, like we we rearranged our seats, and I had to sit next to a stranger, and it was a guy who had a mask on with an Asian passport and was like hacking a storm.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: Came from Asia.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: Again, we didn't even really know it was from Asia yet.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like no one knew any information.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: But looking back, I'm like, here he is, masked up, like dying.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: Sitting right next to the dude.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, And you went for Mardi Gras.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: It was like two weeks before Mardi Gras.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: But we did go to parades, like we already had parades and stuff, yeah.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_04: And didn't you get sick when you came back?
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: I was pretty sick when I came back.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: Again, we didn't know what it was.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_04: Nobody knew.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't anything bad.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_04: You did we just didn't know.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't start coming out with the masks and precautions until the crazy thing, because that was February.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: I went to another marathon two weeks later.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like two weeks later, I went to a marathon in um Little Rock.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: So then I did a separate trip to Little Rock.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm still traveling, probably still spreading.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a super spreader at this point.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to marathon.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: But you didn't know.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't do it on purpose.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then right when I got back from Little Rock, that's when everything shot down.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's when like you I went to work and they were like, you can't, like, we're sending everyone home.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that got weird.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_02: And then this is the whole sequence of events where you're like, oh, we're gonna go we get two weeks from home, and we never went back for freaking weird for years.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: Weird, weird, weird time.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so so that was my experience.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: I love New Orleans.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: I've been a couple times, it's one of my favorite places.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: But Jackson Square is a very beautiful place if you've never been.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_04: I had some weird um experiences in New Orleans.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_04: Like, um, so one incident.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_04: Jake and I can't remember.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_04: Have I told this story before about when we ran through the park?
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_04: I don't remember.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_04: If I've repeated this story before, because I've said it a lot to people, because it's kind of like a memorable.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, why don't I know this?
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_04: All right, the year is 2014.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_04: Still had my Blackberry.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_04: Elizabeth is on the Blackberry.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_04: Jake and I went to New Orleans.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_04: And we were going to uh one of those like walking ghost tours.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_04: And we were sitting in traffic and we had a friend who lived there and he was helping us get there.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_04: And we were running late.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_04: It was one of those things like, if you don't make it to the tour on time, they leave without you.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_04: So he let us out.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, hey, what you're gonna do, he's like, where you need to go is just straight through that dark park.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, so he's like, I'm gonna let you out here.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_04: Just run through that park and you're gonna get to right where you need to be.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_04: We're like, cool, fine, whatever.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_04: We get out, we hear some banging, some like loud bangs, okay, and we just keep running.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_04: And the friend calls Jake, like, oh my god, are you okay?
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_04: We're like, yeah, we're running, what?
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, oh my gosh, like there, some guy had a gun, like right where we let you out.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um he's like, Yeah, somebody got shot in the leg, and like we were right there with the gunshots, but we like were so focused to getting to this tour, we just like kept running.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_04: We're like, okay, well, thanks for letting us know.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we knew that.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_04: I thought they were just like backfires of a car.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't realize it was gun, but yeah, uh, you so you know when you just aren't aware.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_04: So you're fine though.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_04: So so it gets better.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_04: So we're running through this dark park and at eight o'clock at night, and I had this like big bag, and I remember Jake took the bag because it was slowing me down.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, I'm just gonna take it, and we're I'm gonna, he's like, I'm gonna run up ahead to like tell them that we're coming.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_04: Because it's like this one is like 7.5.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_04: And he's leaving you in this dark park in New Orleans at night.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_04: No, I was behind him, but he's just slightly in front of me running with my bag like football style under yeah, and it looked like I was chasing him, like he stole my desk.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say, he looks like a and the cop came and stopped us, and he's like and we like and we heard gunshots, and now we still have to be able to get it.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's gunshots like we're running, I'm like chasing him, he's holding my bag, and we We're like out of breath, and I was like, No, no, no.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_04: Like, this is my husband, and we're like to a ghost tour, and we're just tourists.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_04: We're just he's like, Oh, he's like, be safe, just go.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_04: And it was the most awkward, weirdest thing.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think you've ever told me this.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then we showed up on time to the ghost friends.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: He made it, yeah, and you had a story to tell your new ghost friends.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was a weird night.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_04: We also saw um, and there's a lot of crime in New Orleans.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_04: We also were sitting on one of the balconies.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_04: It was like very iconic balconies having like a mint jubilee.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_04: And julep.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_04: Julep.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_04: And uh we saw this this lady was sitting down below.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_04: And she had her her purse like on the edge of her, on her, on the back of her chair.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_04: And a guy came up and stole it and started running, just like what they thought Jake was gonna do.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_04: That was that afternoon before all of this happened.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_04: And the the girl was with a guy.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_04: The guy didn't do shit.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_04: The girl went fought him, like ran up to him, fought him.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_04: Punched him in the face.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, literally fought him, like kicked him, took her bag, and like walked back to her and like continued to do it.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_04: She was like just a wedding.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_04: And the guy was her guy that she was with was just sitting there, and Jake and I were just sitting there on the back and like, holy shit! Like, what is happening in this in this city?
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_04: Interesting.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_04: It's a wild, it's a wild location.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: I never saw any crime there.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: I I love New Orleans, but I will have one gross story.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's not that gross, but kind of gross, just weird.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so and I again I apologize if I've shared this on the podcast.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I have.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: But I was there same trip, you know, for my marathon, so 2020.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: And like we just had this really great lunch at some like, you know, cajun place on Bourbon Street, and we're walking out of the restaurant, and there's people, probably you, on the balcony, drinking above us, like having a good time.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: Top off.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: No, I've actually never seen that in New Orleans.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_02: People are too cold, it's too freezing during that time.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: I definitely saw it.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, well, good for you.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, but um, so I'm just like walking under this uh balcony, and as I'm walking, like someone spills part of their drink, and it like trickles through the grate of the balcony, and it literally perfectly just goes like in between my sunglasses and my face.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: So it just like falls right perfectly into my eyeball.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like just classic New Orleans stories, and it was like just wow, and it was like oozy red.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_04: It was probably a hurricane, like it was red.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: I know, and it was like, and it was you know, it wasn't anything weird, it was just it was clearly a drink, but it was just like, what the hell?
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_04: Where am I?
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: And then you had sunglasses on, you think it would just like hit me in the face or something.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: It just went perfectly like in between my skin and my sunglasses, boop, like right into my eyeball.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh man.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember Robbie was like, he's like, he's like, oh, like I was like, oh, it went in my eye.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, the liquid went in my eye.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_02: He's like eyeball.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, God on my white shirt.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_04: Meanwhile, you're blind with someone's like red spit in your eyes.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm like, don't worry, yeah.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: Someone, someone's nasty drink is in my eyeball, but let's go make sure your shirt's okay.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, all that said, Jean Baptiste was executed in this lovely place that we are describing.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_04: You're from New Orleans, you've got character.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_04: We love New Orleans.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_04: I personally I love the people.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: Sure, there's some crime, sure there's some drinks and it's like.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_04: You just gotta be smart and on your toes.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_04: And you gotta be tough.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: Keep your sunglasses on.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I did.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, um, so we don't know if he got the uh satisf, well not satisfaction, but if he got the relief of being killed first before all the beating.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_04: But I don't think he did.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: They seem to not have liked.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: They were not a huge fan of Jean-Baptiste II.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I really still don't know why.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: He seems kind of cool.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say it's got his Etsy ship.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'd hang out with this guy going on.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_02: The Etsy ship shop.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so afterwards his body was mutilated.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: They threw his remains into the Mississippi River, which is again right there.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: And um, I think it was in 2007, like his descendants kind of came forward and said that they wanted to memorialize him and give him kind of a proper like tribute.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: So now there's a plaque.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it actually was installed until 2022, which is fairly recent.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um that was only yesterday in my own.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: 2022.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_04: We're in it.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_04: Are we in 2022?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's 2021 right now.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so so his descendants kind of gathered, and his descendants were very interesting because it was kind of like half, you know, like what you think of when you think of like Southern, Cajun, like Louisiana people, and half like people that were kind of like more Native American and like still embraced those roots.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um so they all came together and did this big like celebration of his life.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it was really nice that they just kind of came, had this plaque, honored him.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_02: They kind of retold the story, which is similar to what we told about like what they knew of his life.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_02: Excuse me.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, and then just wanted to make sure that again he was recognized and he was really like a pioneer, an early settler, like, you know, someone that should be kind of respected in the area and not just like ran through the mud.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like he represents the indigenous people very well because it's him in itself, he was innocent.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_04: He supposedly, as far as we know, he was actually innocent, and I feel like that's a really strong representation of just a lot of the trials and tribulations that indigenous people have had to go through.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_04: So he represents that side of his culture well, but then also, yeah, this it he's got a lot of roots still in in the South and in New Orleans.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_04: Some notable names that we could share.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't this wild?
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: We were reading this, but apparently his like sixth grandson is Jimmy Buffett, Margaritaville man, who also recently passed, R.I.P.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: Jimmy Buffett.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then his seventh granddaughter is Laura Dern, who is the actress from Jurassic Park, like the original Jurassic Park.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: She's also in Taylor Swift's music video, Bejeweled.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I didn't know that.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's cool.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_02: But Laura Dern Dern, she's badass.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_02: So like she is.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_04: We like her.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: So his yeah, his family still, you know, kind of he has descendants to this day who very much honor him.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then I mean, this isn't this isn't as respectable of an ancestor, but he did have a third great grandson, Charles Clements, who was one of the Confederate soldiers who was executed by the Union.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_04: Double execution story.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I know.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_02: So we have another execution within the execution.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if we'll ever get to him as an episode.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: Execution inception.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_02: We actually've never done a Civil War execution, huh?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_04: Whoa.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_04: No, we should.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_02: We should think about it.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_04: My dad knew Jimmy Buffett.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_02: He knew him?
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he knew him.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_04: How?
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_04: So my dad um is a product developer.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_02: An inventor.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_04: He's an inventor.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_04: Like he makes products, weird things.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_04: Mostly things that they sell at like Brickstone and used to have been sharper image.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_04: Now it's not there anymore.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, anyways, uh he um partnered with Jimmy Buffett on the Margaritaville Margarita mixer.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, really?
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_04: The blender.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_01: So he invented the blender.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_04: My father, the inventor of the blender.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you know my father, the inventor of the margarita.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_04: He actually partnered, sorry, this I feel like this whole episode is just tangent.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_04: This is just us hanging out.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um, my my dad.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: She's drinking again, so she's got lots to say.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_04: No, my dad had like met really cool people through things.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_04: He also partnered with get this, the real Frank, forgot his last his full name, the guy from Catch Me If You Can.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_04: The guy who Leonardo DiCaprio played, who was the like the con artist.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_04: He's the same at all.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: He was like a high school kid, but he posed as like a doctor and like a pilot and like all this stuff.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_04: My dad knew the real one.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_04: Like they went out to dinner several times to discuss the plan because he partnered with him because he was endorsing a safe.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_04: Unhackable safe.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's what it was.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_04: It was like, you know, sponsored by this guy who like knows how to break into shit and he can't even break into it.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_04: That's pretty good.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so they like made a safe together.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, sorry, that's a side side note.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: Also, I'm just kidding.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: Would you like any other stories to tell this evening, Megan?
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_02: No, that was that was great.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's it.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's all we've got.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: Just gonna shut you down right there.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: We're dying.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: I was just gonna say, you know, I think this is a good, appropriate, kind of Mardi Gras-ish episode.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, I like that idea.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_04: I like that you did that.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we broke our fast tonight, and well, I didn't I didn't ever have one.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_04: I can't eat any more cheese.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: We did have a lot of cheese too.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_04: We had a lot of cheese.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_04: I've been eating cheese for like five days straight.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, don't worry.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: This weekend is the Super Bowl.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna eat really healthy there.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_04: I feel gumpy.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_04: Is that a word?
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think gumpy's a word.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: I just feel but I like that word.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: I just feel like well, you gotta fit into the Renaissance fair dresses.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's not happening.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: Get to walking.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_02: Get to running.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_04: Elizabeth.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_04: Any final words?
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm wisdom away again, Margaritaville.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_02: Searching for my law.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think I'm singing the cadence wrong.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_04: Are you just gonna sing the whole song?
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just gonna tell you, some people claim there's a woman to blame, but I know.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's my own damn fault.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty good.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: Some people claim that there's a woman.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's my own down.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: Some people claim that they're playing.