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Covid Widows · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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  Speaker 1: It's six eastern it's three o'clock pacific the u.s military
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  Speaker 1: has struck more than 50 isis targets in the past
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  Speaker 1: two hours coast to coast and around the world from
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  Speaker 1: the america out loud talk radio studios.
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  Speaker 2: Following the president's order to quote hit them hard after
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  Speaker 2: the killing of three americans saturday it's.
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  Speaker 1: Time for the truth be told with booker scott.
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  Speaker 3: We are going to have a conversation now that is
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  Speaker 3: a little bit different, I think, when you talk about COVID.
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  Speaker 3: There was vaccines that injured people and killed people, and
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  Speaker 3: I've done shows on that before. But I don't think
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  Speaker 3: I've ever done one quite like this. this. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to invite into the program now, Leslie Batts. Leslie, come
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  Speaker 3: on into the program and let's start telling your story.
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  Speaker 3: And it's one of sadness. And now we see that
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  Speaker 3: you're actually doing something with that sadness, putting it to
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  Speaker 3: work to try to make a difference in this country
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  Speaker 3: and in a state. And that's really what it's all about.
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  Speaker 3: When you're tossed with something like this in your life,
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  Speaker 3: that's all you can do. But Leslie, welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go back to when all this started for you,
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  Speaker 3: your motivation for doing what you're doing. Right now, she
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  Speaker 3: is trying to get legislation passed in Oklahoma, trying to
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  Speaker 3: get a bill done. And that's the way things work
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  Speaker 3: in this country. But what took her there is what
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  Speaker 3: happened during COVID with her husband. She lost her husband.
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  Speaker 3: So let's start there. And you tell this story.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir. Back in late September of 2021, my husband
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  Speaker 2: went out of town for work. When he came home,
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  Speaker 2: he started having symptoms of COVID. We both got sick,
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  Speaker 2: but he seemed to take it a little harder, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: than my son and I. And it got to the
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  Speaker 2: point where it was pretty obvious he needed to see
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  Speaker 2: a doctor. And because we were in a rural part
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  Speaker 2: of Oklahoma, there weren't a lot of urgent care centers
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  Speaker 2: or critical care centers that weren't hospital-affiliated.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: So we went ahead and took him to the emergency
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  Speaker 2: room and I expected him to get some oxygen and
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  Speaker 2: a breathing treatment, maybe some medications and send him home. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: I received a phone call from one of the nurses
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  Speaker 2: saying that he was being transferred to a level three
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  Speaker 2: ICU about an hour away. And it didn't really make
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot of sense because he had walked into
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  Speaker 2: the hospital. You know, he wasn't he'd gotten up, gotten dressed.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't in any acute distress.
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  Speaker 3: And it happened that fast. Just a few hours.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, he just wasn't, in my experience
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  Speaker 2: with respiratory illness, he wasn't bad. He just seemed to
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  Speaker 2: not be oxygenating well. He wasn't short of breath. He
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  Speaker 2: wasn't cyanotic or, you know, lips blue or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: He just had a low oxygen saturation.
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  Speaker 3: And you had a little experience in respiratory because I
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  Speaker 3: think your mom, is it your mother that had that
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  Speaker 3: as well?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she had respiratory failure and I took care of
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  Speaker 2: her for three years. So I had seen, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what happens when you put a patient on a ventilator
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  Speaker 2: and what it looks like when someone's in acute distress
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  Speaker 2: from breathing problems. So none of that was the case.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting to get that phone call saying he
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  Speaker 2: was going to be transferred. But they did. And they
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  Speaker 2: actually care flighted him by helicopter. And I asked, why
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  Speaker 2: are you sending him by helicopter? Their explanation was that
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  Speaker 2: if he decompensates, it's an hour drive by ambulance. So
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  Speaker 2: they didn't want to try to intubate him in an ambulance.
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  Speaker 2: I said, well, one, he's not anywhere near even considering
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  Speaker 2: a ventilator. And two, he refused. He said, I do
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  Speaker 2: not let them put me on a vent under any circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: Those were my last instructions from him when he got
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  Speaker 2: out of the vehicle. So I said, well, he's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be put on a vent. He's already made
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  Speaker 2: that clear, and I don't know why you're transferring him,
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  Speaker 2: but if he agrees, then I'm not going to dispute
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  Speaker 2: it if he feels it's necessary. So as he's being transported,
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  Speaker 2: I go ahead and I call the hospital where they're
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  Speaker 2: moving him to, and I contact the ICU unit, and
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  Speaker 2: I explain to the nurse there as he's coming through
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  Speaker 2: the doors on the gurney that It needs to be
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  Speaker 2: placed on his medical record that he is a DNI
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  Speaker 2: or do not intubate. And she said, okay, sure, we'll
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  Speaker 2: do that. And everything seemed to be okay the first night.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting text messages from him. He thought that the
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  Speaker 2: helicopter ride was just the coolest thing and he was
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  Speaker 2: joking around with those guys and he was stable and
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  Speaker 2: there weren't any problems. And when they get him into
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  Speaker 2: the room, he settles down for the night. I said, okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk in the morning. The next day on the
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  Speaker 2: 10th of October, everything seems to be going pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's getting oxygen. He's feeling good. We're talking.
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  Speaker 2: They're giving him an albuterol treatment. And I don't think
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  Speaker 2: much of it. So we go to bed that night,
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  Speaker 2: get up the next morning, and he doesn't answer his
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  Speaker 2: phone on the 11th. Now, he's a very early riser.
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  Speaker 2: He was always up at 4 o'clock in the morning,
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  Speaker 2: and so it was odd for him not to respond.
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  Speaker 2: And I contacted the nurses at the desk, and they
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  Speaker 2: said that they had to give him a little something
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  Speaker 2: for anxiety. And I said, well, was it an Ativan?
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  Speaker 2: Because I know that's what they used to give my
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  Speaker 2: mother when she was having problems. And they said, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's what we had to give him. which is a pill,
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  Speaker 2: you know, single dose, no problem. And by 1130, I
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  Speaker 2: still hadn't heard from him. So I'm starting to get concerned. Finally,
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  Speaker 2: I receive a text message from him at about noon
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  Speaker 2: that says they won't stop asking me about intubation and
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  Speaker 2: I'm starting to lose my cool. Which means he was
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  Speaker 2: getting really upset that they were harassing him. That was
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  Speaker 2: the last communication I received from my husband. Right at
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  Speaker 2: the time that that text message came through, I received
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  Speaker 2: a phone call that when I answered, all I heard was,
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  Speaker 2: is this Ms. Batts?
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  Speaker 4: I said, yes.
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  Speaker 2: And he said, well, I hope you're vaccinated because your
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  Speaker 2: husband's fixing to go on a ventilator for a month
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  Speaker 2: and he's going to be in rehab for a year
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  Speaker 2: if he survives and you need to be alive to
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  Speaker 2: take care of him. And I said, well, who is this?
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  Speaker 2: And he said, well, this is the doctor that's treating
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  Speaker 2: your husband. I said, not with that attitude, you're fired.
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  Speaker 2: And first of all, he's already stated he's not going
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  Speaker 2: to go on a ventilator. Second of all, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what is happening there. But if you're giving him
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  Speaker 2: problems about this, then we have bigger issues. Because again,
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, I've gotten this text message from
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  Speaker 2: him saying that they're harassing him about it.
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  Speaker 4: So I.
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  Speaker 2: Hang up with the doctor and I start calling the
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  Speaker 2: hospital administrator and the patient care advocate and everybody. I said,
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  Speaker 2: why are you harassing him about this? I said, anxiety
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  Speaker 2: is going to exacerbate the problem if he has one.
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  Speaker 2: And he's already given you the information that he's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be intubated. It's supposed to be documented on
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  Speaker 2: his medical record that he's a DNI. Why are we
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  Speaker 2: still talking about this? I get no phone calls back
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  Speaker 2: from anyone at the hospital. And I continue to try
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  Speaker 2: to reach out to him And he doesn't answer his
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  Speaker 2: phone anymore. He's not responding to text messages. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting very, very concerned. So I contacted the nurse's station
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  Speaker 2: and their explanation to me was he's eating his dinner
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  Speaker 2: and he's watching TV. He just doesn't want to speak
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  Speaker 2: to you anymore. He's refusing to talk to you.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't buy that at all, did you?
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea because he's not answering his phone.
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  Speaker 2: I have no way to contact him now. I said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm coming to the hospital. I'm coming to get him.
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  Speaker 2: And I was told, if you come to the hospital,
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  Speaker 2: you'll be arrested. So I have an eight-year-old son at
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  Speaker 2: the time. We have no family there. And now I
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  Speaker 2: have to make a choice. Do I go to jail
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  Speaker 2: and my son ends up in foster care? Or do
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  Speaker 2: I hope that my husband can kind of take care
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  Speaker 2: of himself and things go a little more smoothly if
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  Speaker 2: I can get a hold of someone in administration? I
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  Speaker 2: don't hear from him at all the next day. And
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  Speaker 2: at about one o'clock in the afternoon, I get a
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  Speaker 2: phone call from the doctor. Again, the nurses are telling
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  Speaker 2: me he just doesn't want to speak to you. I
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  Speaker 2: get a phone call from the doctor saying that my
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  Speaker 2: husband has now given consent to intubation and they want
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  Speaker 2: my consent. And the first part of the conversation didn't
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  Speaker 2: go well, to say the least. I explained to the
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  Speaker 2: doctor that, again, it's supposed to be on his chart
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  Speaker 2: that he's a DNI. If he has given consent, then
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  Speaker 2: they don't need my consent.
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  Speaker 3: Is this the same doctor that called you the first
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  Speaker 3: time that you said you're fired? Yes. Same doctor. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Same doctor. And I asked him, I said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if he's giving consent, there will be a consent form
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  Speaker 2: on the chart and you don't need my consent. I said,
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  Speaker 2: and why are you treating him anyway? I was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I told you you were fired. And he said, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the only doctor here that can take care of
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  Speaker 2: your husband. So if you fire me, we have a
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  Speaker 2: real problem. And I said, well, then I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: find another hospital. And he then threatened, well, I say threatened.
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  Speaker 2: um it became a conversation with if you try to
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  Speaker 2: transfer him out of this hospital without a medical order
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  Speaker 2: then um you're going to have to pay for it
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  Speaker 2: out of pocket insurance won't cover it and i said
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  Speaker 2: then i'll come get him and he said again you'll
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  Speaker 2: be arrested so now my husband is no longer a
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  Speaker 2: patient in the hospital he's a prisoner.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah he's a prisoner You know, sometimes I think, Leslie,
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  Speaker 3: we forget how tyrannical things had gotten back then. It's
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  Speaker 3: good to hear the story, but please keep going. Tell it.
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  Speaker 2: So at that point, I said, well, I haven't spoken
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  Speaker 2: to my husband in over 24 hours. I'm being told
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  Speaker 2: he's refusing to speak to me. I said, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to call his phone with a video call, and somebody
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  Speaker 2: better pick up. And I immediately hung up with the doctor,
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  Speaker 2: called on video, and I could see my husband... He's
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  Speaker 2: at this point wearing a BiPAP mask, which is like
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  Speaker 2: a full face where they force air into. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you're familiar with the CPAP, but it's basically
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  Speaker 2: a full face CPAP. So instead of just the nose,
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  Speaker 2: it covers the nose and the mouth. So I can't
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  Speaker 2: understand him. And he looks, to put it mildly, perturbed.
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  Speaker 2: But again, I can't understand what he's saying. I can't
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  Speaker 2: see his hands clearly. And the phone is far enough
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  Speaker 2: away that he's obviously not the one holding it. The
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  Speaker 2: video call lasts for 31 seconds and then it's disconnected.
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  Speaker 2: And immediately the doctor calls back and says, do we
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  Speaker 2: have your consent to intubate? I said, no. I said,
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  Speaker 2: he's clearly breathing. And my instructions from him were, do
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  Speaker 2: not let them put me on a vent. I said,
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  Speaker 2: so no, you don't have my consent. And why are
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  Speaker 2: you asking for my consent if he's given his? So
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  Speaker 2: that conversation, again, doesn't go well for about 10 or
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  Speaker 2: 15 minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Let me jump in here real quick, Leslie, because maybe
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  Speaker 3: some people forget that there were a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: dying on ventilators. If you went on a ventilator, it
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  Speaker 3: usually was not a good thing. Most of the people
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  Speaker 3: that I know of that went on them, they died.
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  Speaker 2: It was 95%.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 95% mortality rate.
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  Speaker 3: Typically, what they did was they put you on remdesivir,
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  Speaker 3: and then they put you on the VENT, And the
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  Speaker 3: combination of both of those things, it was killing people.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't necessarily blame medical and doctors because it
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  Speaker 3: was a new thing. COVID was new. They didn't really
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  Speaker 3: know how to treat it, but they were treating it
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  Speaker 3: wrong at the time. So your husband knew enough to
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  Speaker 3: know that do not do that. And you knew that too.
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  Speaker 3: I was the same way. My oxygen got down to 82.
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  Speaker 3: My doctor said, go to the hospital. I said, there's
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  Speaker 3: no chance. I asked the doctor, I said, Can I
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  Speaker 3: ask you, have you had any patients that stayed home?
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  Speaker 3: And she said, yes. Did any of them die? She said, no.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, what about the hospital? Have you had
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  Speaker 3: patients go to the hospital?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Have any of them died? Yes. I said, I'll stay home.
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  Speaker 3: So I chose to stay home. instead of having to
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  Speaker 3: go through that when I had COVID at about the
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  Speaker 3: same time, back in 2021. But I think it's important
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  Speaker 3: to understand that both of you knew that if you
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  Speaker 3: were on the ventilator, your odds of passing away went
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  Speaker 3: up greatly. And he knew that, didn't want to do it,
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  Speaker 3: and now you're going to keep telling the story.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And we did know that. But we assumed we're in
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  Speaker 2: a small community, and they're not going to do that here. Right?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You have rights. If you don't want to go be admitted,
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  Speaker 2: then you don't have to be admitted. If you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to stay in a hospital, you don't have to
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  Speaker 2: stay in a hospital. If you don't want to be
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  Speaker 2: put on a ventilator, you don't have to be put
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  Speaker 2: on a ventilator. That was our mistake. That was our assumption.
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  Speaker 2: So what I learned after the fact, after he passed,
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  Speaker 2: I went and got his medical records and I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have known anything else. about what really happened because I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't getting the information from the nurses and the doctors.
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  Speaker 3: Now, you skipped ahead to when he passed. How long
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  Speaker 3: was he in the hospital before that happened?
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  Speaker 2: He was in the hospital for just under 10 full days.
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  Speaker 2: He walked into the hospital and was dead 10 days later.
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  Speaker 3: And from the moment of that video call to the
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  Speaker 3: time that he passed away, how many days was that?
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  Speaker 2: That was, they ventilated him on the 12th and he
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  Speaker 2: passed on the afternoon of the 20th, almost exactly. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So they went ahead and ventilated him.
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  Speaker 2: They did.
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  Speaker 3: Against your wishes and against his.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. So at the time, you know, I get the
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  Speaker 2: phone call back saying, well, he's on a vent now.
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  Speaker 2: No other explanation. I mean, like I said, I have
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  Speaker 2: no idea what happened between the time that they put
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  Speaker 2: him on the vent and the time that you know,
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  Speaker 2: I get the call back. But as it turns out,
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  Speaker 2: so he was ventilated on the 12th of October. On
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  Speaker 2: the 14th, because I'm still raising Kane, I have everybody
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  Speaker 2: in my family, on both sides, his family, my family,
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  Speaker 2: trying to get him out of that hospital. Something doesn't
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  Speaker 2: feel right, right? It's just this, you know, nagging feeling
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  Speaker 2: in my gut. That there's something wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Did you go to Oklahoma City? Was it Oklahoma City?
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  Speaker 2: This was in Tulsa.
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  Speaker 3: Tulsa.
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  Speaker 2: This was in Tulsa.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I figured it had to be one of those two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We actually lived right smack dab between Oklahoma City
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  Speaker 2: and Tulsa right off of I-44. So they ended up
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  Speaker 2: sending him to another hospital in their system because we
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  Speaker 2: were in a very small area, but in the major,
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  Speaker 2: in the bigger cities. So at this point, I'm, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, I am creating as much trouble for this
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  Speaker 2: hospital as I possibly can, trying to find out what
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  Speaker 2: is happening and trying to get him.
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  Speaker 4: Out of there.
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  Speaker 2: Because again, there's this nagging feeling something's not right. And to,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, to placate me, the doctor finally calls and said,
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  Speaker 2: would you like to come visit your husband? Now he's
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  Speaker 2: on a ventilator at this point. And all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: in a matter of two days, it went from you'll
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  Speaker 2: be arrested to, oh, come on in. which made no
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  Speaker 2: sense to me. But I wasn't going to dispute it
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  Speaker 2: because this was my opportunity to see him and find
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  Speaker 2: out what was going on. So when I get into
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  Speaker 2: the hospital on the 14th, he looks like he's been
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  Speaker 2: in a bar fight. His face is pretty, you know,
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  Speaker 2: scraped up. There's literally skin hanging off of his nose.
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  Speaker 2: And I asked the nurse, I said, what is this about?
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  Speaker 2: She says, oh, well, intubation can be a pretty violent procedure.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, no, no, no. Not when it's done properly.
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  Speaker 2: My mother had been on a ventilator a dozen times, probably.
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  Speaker 2: And I had never seen her look like she had
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  Speaker 2: been in a bar fight.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think he fought against them?
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  Speaker 2: I know he did.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I know he did. I know he did. He literally,
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  Speaker 2: I believe, was fighting for his life, trying to get
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  Speaker 2: out or get away. So things were pretty stable on
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  Speaker 2: the ventilator. until the night of the 16th. And then
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  Speaker 2: when I came in on the 17th, because I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm told I have to leave. I get
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  Speaker 2: like two hours to visit and then I'm told I
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  Speaker 2: have to leave. So I came in on the 17th
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  Speaker 2: and now he's on what's called a rotoprone bed, which
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  Speaker 2: is basically he's fully encased in this framework that literally
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  Speaker 2: turns him back and forth, you know, so the nurses
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: don't have to come in and turn him. And he's
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: laying face down in this machinery. Um, because they said
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: if they turn him over, he's going to drown basically.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Lungsville.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I get no explanation why he's on the
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: road of prone now. Um, but the doctor comes in
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: and asks me to sign a do not resuscitate order.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: And I said, no, um, he's coming home. There's no
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: doubt in my mind my husband is going to recover
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and come home. There's no reason he shouldn't recover and
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: come home.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: You know, I almost would ask that doctor, what does
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: it matter what I sign? You're going to do whatever
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: you want to anyway.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: But I didn't know at the time because I had
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: not spoken with my husband. I didn't know what he
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: agreed to and what he hadn't.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got you.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: So I didn't know. I couldn't guarantee in my heart
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: that he hadn't agreed to to this ventilator. I just
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: know he told me not to agree to it. And
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I was going to stand by that because that was
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: the last information I had. So on the 17th, the
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: doctor starts asking me to sign this do not resuscitate order.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: And I said, absolutely not. You will do everything you
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: can to save his life under any circumstances. And his
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: explanation is, well, he's on this rotoprone bed now, and
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: it's going to take us about 10 minutes to get
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: him out to even start resuscitation efforts, so it's better
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: for him if we don't even try. I said, yeah, no,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Hey, Leslie, do you have a few more minutes?
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, because we're up against a break. We're going to
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: take one, but we're going to continue this conversation. I
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: find it very interesting. It's riveting, in fact. But she's
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: going to take it somewhere. She's going to do some
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: good with this terrible story. And we're going to get
• 19:48
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• 21:14
  Speaker 3: She is telling the story of her husband during COVID
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: and how he passed away and how the hospital and
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: the doctors and the medical staffs at the hospital treated him.
• 21:24
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• 21:26
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• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir. So, as I said, at this point, he's
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: on the rotoprone bed. They're trying to get me to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: sign the DNR. I refuse. And what I found out
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: later in the medical records was that the doctor on
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: the 16th, late that evening or that afternoon, apparently he
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: had woken up and extubated himself, pulled the tube out,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and they had re-intubated him, which was the necessity for
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: being on this rotoprone bed, was because they induced what's
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: called a pneumomediastinum, which is a ventilator lung injury. They
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: had literally blown his lungs out and torn his trachea.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: And I didn't know any of this. This is why
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: they were trying to push the idea of the DNR,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: because there wasn't much they could do anymore. What I
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: found out also was that the doctor had ordered an overdose,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: and they had medicated him until he literally had no
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: brain activity.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: What did he order for an overdose?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: He ordered what's called a RAS negative five sedation goal,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: which should never be a sedation goal. It's a heavy,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: heavy sedation for someone on a ventilator. But what ended
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: up happening is they ordered him at about 250 micrograms
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of fentanyl an hour, 25 milligrams of midazolam, 1.5 milligrams
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: of Presidex per kilogram of body weight per hour. Propofol, Nimbex,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: and rocuronium, which is a paralytic. And then at one point,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: somebody finally realized that they had literally overdosed until he
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: had no brain activity. They backed off on some of
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the medications a little bit, and his brain activity was
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: extremely erratic from that point. I think there was a
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: a brain injury that had occurred as a result of that. Um,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: and again, as you know, as I stated on the 20th, he,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: he passed away. Um, but since, like I said, since then,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: after having received, and I didn't know any of this,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: none of this was told to me, none of it.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: When did you get the medical records?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: About 10 days after he passed, I finally received a
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: death certificate and I was able to go request the
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: medical records. And what I found in the medical records was, oh,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a horror movie. It just, you
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: wouldn't believe it. And the things that happened were so unbelievable,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: but not because they weren't true. It's because no sane
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: person would believe that something like this could happen in
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: a hospital. Hospitals you go to to heal and help.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: But it was all in the records. It was all there.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I only went to go get the medical records because
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I needed to know that he had given consent for
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: that ventilator. That was the sole purpose for me going
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: and getting the medical records. I wanted to see that
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: consent form.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: What did you find?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I needed to know no consent form. Not only no
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: consent form, but none of the documentation for his admission
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: was signed. There was no authorization for treatment at all.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: They had forged my authorization. And I went back and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I looked at my phone records and I said, I
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: never spoke to anybody. How did they witness that I
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: was giving authorization at this day and this time when
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't speak to anybody until a day later? There
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: was no consent form for the intubation. As a matter
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: of fact, when he sent me the text message about
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: them harassing him about the intubation, He had refused to
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: sign the consent forms and thrown the nurse out of
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: his room. And then they were signed medically necessary more
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: than 24 hours later without his signature.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: No signature.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: No signature. There was no signature for the transfer. The
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: transfer documents were forged. Again, the authorization for treatment when
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: he was admitted to the hospital was not signed by anyone.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: There was nothing. And it, it, it shocked me to,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: you know, I kept trying to find, I was trying
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: to prove that this was, was his wishes, that this
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: was what he had decided to do because it didn't
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: make any sense to me. And what I found in
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the records was when he stopped communicating with me and
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: didn't answer the phone on the morning of the 11th,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: it was because they had started sedating him. It was,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: they had started with Presidex and morphine sedating him. And the,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: while he was being sedated, I was being told, he's
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: just refusing to speak to you. Yeah.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: And you knew that wasn't true at the time because
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: you knew your relationship and you also knew that he
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: didn't want to go through any of this. So he
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: passes away and now it had to be terrible for
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: you to have to deal with the passing of him.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: And you also have a child, you have a child together.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: And so you're picking up the pieces and, And somewhere
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: along the way, you decide to pick yourself up and
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: do something about it. What is it that you want
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: to do? What is it that you are doing with
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: a new bill in the state of Oklahoma? What does
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: it have to do with what are you trying to accomplish?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Well, what I found out over the last four years
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: is this story was not unique. As terrible as it sounds,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: this happened thousands of times all over the country. And we've,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: you know... as individuals have kind of found each other.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: So I started moving forward saying, okay, what do we
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: do about this? Because at the federal level, there is
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: what's called the PrEP Act, which gave immunity to anyone who,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you know, used any type of COVID countermeasure. They got
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: this broad sweeping blanket immunity. So there was no recourse
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: for any of us. We all knew that these horrible,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: horrible things had happened, but we couldn't file a lawsuit
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: because no attorney would take it because they got immunity
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: from the PrEP Act. Nobody would take complaints. I went
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: to try to file police reports. They wouldn't accept the
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: police reports. It happened in a hospital. Doctors don't break
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: the law, basically, was what I was told. And this
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: is criminal. So we've gone through a lot of different
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: processes over the last four years. But what I learned
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: is I actually decided to go back to school and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: study law after all of this happened because I know
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: this isn't right. This should not be allowed to happen.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: And we've got to be able to fight it. But
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to fight it, you kind of have to be on
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the inside and have the no. So I went back
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: to school to study law. And that gave me the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: resources to look up all of the case law and
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: establish that if you're procedurally barred from filing a claim,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: then your statute of limitations never starts. And very recently,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: there was an Oklahoma Supreme Court decision that said, Abuse, neglect, battery,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: failure to treat, all of those things, according to the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court of Oklahoma, fall outside the liability protection that
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: is offered by the PrEP Act. So these things are
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: inexcusable and don't even qualify for PrEP Act immunity.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Has that been challenged at the Supreme Court of the
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: United States yet?
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: No. Okay.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Do you anticipate that?
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I would anticipate that, that that would also happen.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I hope. that it reaches that level and this can
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: be established nationwide. But for right now, it's only Oklahoma
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: where the Supreme Court of Oklahoma has made this definitive
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: ruling that these things do not qualify for liability immunity.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: So all of that happened to your husband in the hospital.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: You just went through the story. What does that mean
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: for you now that the Supreme Court in Oklahoma did that?
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: What that means... is that we have a path forward. Now,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: we've tried to pursue criminal because this was never about
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: money for anyone. We've tried to pursue criminal charges. We
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: are now looking at we have attorneys that are willing
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to take the cases. We're going to fight as many
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: of these cases as we can in the courts, in
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the civil courts. We're going to establish the discovery that says,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: you know, this happened broadly across at least the state
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: of Oklahoma for now. We can establish that in court
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: documents that this was not a singular event. And then
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: we can move forward to the federal level and say,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: whether it was intentional or incidental, the protections that you
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: thought you were offering these folks are actually led to
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: harm and we can't allow this again. Because it's not about,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I can't bring my husband back, but what
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I can do is I can make a safer place
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: and a safer future for my son and for you
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: and for everyone out there listening that doesn't have to
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: fear going to the hospital and having your right to
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: self-determination stripped away and becoming that prisoner instead of the patient.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened in this case. And as you said,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: it happened thousands and thousands of times across this country.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: We watched it. Sometimes I don't know that we remember it.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: It's sort of like a fog in some ways, and
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it is to you as well. You're also
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: working on a new bill in Oklahoma. What is that about?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: That bill is to codify into law what's already been
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: established in the court. That, again, if that procedural bar
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: is in place, that your statute of limitation is paused.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: It's a tolling statute that says you didn't run out
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: of time simply because the law said you couldn't file
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a lawsuit. So what this will do is open up
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: the courts back up for people that fall under the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: specific category of COVID diagnosis, because COVID diagnosis was the
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: only time that we were not allowed to file these
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: lawsuits because of this perceived protection by the PREP Act.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: And now that it has been defined that these particular
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: things don't fall under that protection, we have the ability
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to move forward with some of these claims in the
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: civil court.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Go through those things again. You went through them a
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: few minutes ago, but let's narrow down again exactly what
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: those things are that The Supreme Court in Oklahoma says
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: you still can go ahead and sue civilly over these things.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Go through that list again.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: That's going to fall into categories like failure to treat.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: We have cases where someone went in for a heart
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: attack and they were never treated for the heart attack.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: But because they tested positive for COVID on admission, they
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: received COVID treatment like the remdesivir and ventilators and everything else.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: But the underlying condition, whether it was a heart attack,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: a stroke, a broken leg, we have someone that went
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: in with a broken leg that was never treated. Their
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: broken leg was never treated, but they got COVID treatment.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: So failure to treat the underlying or the admitting condition
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: does not receive that liability shield. Things like abuse and neglect.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Is that what your husband would fall under?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: My husband would actually fall under... battery.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Because from the having him intubated.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Because it wasn't just a lack of informed consent. It was,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: we actually refused the treatment and it was done anyway.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: So that falls under and meets the criteria for the
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: definition of battery, which was why we were trying to
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: pursue criminal, um, charges. Um, The abuse, neglect, battery, failure
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: to treat, and I think that's going to pretty much
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: cover the exceptions to the PREP Act.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: How is your bill being received in the state legislature
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: in Oklahoma?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Everyone we have spoken to has been very supportive. We
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: have a lot of folks that have come out and
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: said that they would be more than willing to co-author
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the bill on the House side. the problem that we're
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: facing right now is that it hasn't been put on
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: the agenda or the civil judiciary committee. So I've, you know,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: on our face on our Facebook, excuse me, on, on
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: X I've put out, I'm working on putting out a
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: call to action to have people actually reach out to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the chair of the civil judiciary, judiciary committee and ask
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: him to make sure it gets put on the agenda
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: so that they can vote on it. Um, that's our
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: big obstacle right now is getting it through that committee.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Once it makes it through that committee, and there's a
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: chance that they don't even hear it, that they don't
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: even put it on the agenda. So we've got to
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: really kind of push to make sure it gets on
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: that schedule so that they can vote on it. Because
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: even the vice chair of the committee has been amazing.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And he said, I support you. You have, you know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I will co-author if necessary, but it's up to the
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: chair to make sure it gets on the schedule.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: And it's a fascinating story, but it's not unique. Unfortunately,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: coming through COVID, there were so many stories like this.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: And the interesting part about what you have done is
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: you've taken it and made it your motivation. And you're
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: a great example of one person making a difference in
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: this country. You said it earlier in our conversation, you said,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I want to make it better for our children, for you.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: And that's what it's all about in this country. And
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: if more of us would really do what you're doing
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: right now, this country would be in a lot better
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: shape than it is. I want to thank you for
• 35:48
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• 35:51
  Speaker 3: you for the work that you're doing. You took a
• 35:53
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• 35:57
  Speaker 3: get over it, and you're using that for good. And
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I think you're a great example for everybody in America.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, sir.
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  Speaker 3: the Political News Hour. That is followed at 8 by
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: the National Security Hour. And then it's After Dark with
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  Speaker 3: Robin Andrews. My name is Booker Scott, and this is
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  Speaker 3: The Truth Be Told on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us. You know, when
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: we came through COVID, what a mess it was. And
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I think it scarred so many of us in so
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: many different ways. When you think about the kids in
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: school and not being in school, socially, they've probably been
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: set back forever. But it affected adults also. And one
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: of those adults that was affected greatly coming through that
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: mess was Dr. Don Michael. And I want her to
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  Speaker 3: share her story about what happened, what she went through.
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  Speaker 3: She's very outspoken, was outspoken on social media. You may
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: remember the name. But let's find out also what she's
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: doing today and how her life is going. So let
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  Speaker 3: me introduce you to Dr. Dawn Michael.
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  Speaker 4: Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Michael, thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me on.
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate the fact that you're Allowing me to tell
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  Speaker 5: my story and really get the word out. And part
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: of why I continue to push on Twitter, and that's
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: the platform I've been using. I'm also on Getter, and
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  Speaker 5: I have a YouTube channel called is because the drug remdesivir,
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  Speaker 5: which is responsible for killing my husband, and also they
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  Speaker 5: gave it to me without my consent. So I had
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  Speaker 5: two doses that affected my health after I got out
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  Speaker 5: of the hospital. And the shocking thing is they continue
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  Speaker 5: to use it in hospitals today, and it's been approved
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  Speaker 5: for infants and children.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's go back to the beginning of your story.
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  Speaker 3: And kind of tell people about that. What happened? Because
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  Speaker 3: as I remember, because I was, I didn't know you
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: at the time, but I was watching you on social
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  Speaker 3: media and it was gut wrenching. Tell everybody what happened.
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  Speaker 5: So my husband was a family practice doctor. He escaped Cuba.
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  Speaker 5: So he came over here a while ago. He was
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  Speaker 5: 62 when he passed away. So he slowly felt a
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: little bit of communism, socialism. creeping in. He felt it
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: a long time ago, maybe 10, 12 years ago. And
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: at the time when COVID hit, I remember him and I,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: we had this discussion because we had an office together.
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  Speaker 5: I did the mental health. He did the family practice.
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  Speaker 5: And we said, why are they ushering this vaccine out
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  Speaker 5: so quickly? It hasn't gone through, in his terms, the
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: honeymoon period.
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  Speaker 3: That's a natural question back then. I remember thinking the
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: same thing. All of these other vaccines have taken all
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: of these years to get approval from If we can
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  Speaker 3: approve this one in six months, how come we can't
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  Speaker 3: approve others in six months? But sorry for the interruption.
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  Speaker 3: Keep going, please.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, and that to me should have been a question
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  Speaker 5: on every doctor's mind. Like, why isn't every doctor? But
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  Speaker 5: the reason I know that he asked it because he
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: had his own family practice. He wasn't in a group.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: They weren't telling him what to do. He was a
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: doctor who thought outside of the box. And so for him,
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  Speaker 5: he also developed his own protocol using ivermectin. And other
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: doctors around the area were not able to do that
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: because they were getting penalized for using ivermectin. But because
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: he wasn't in the system, and I'm just going back
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: a little, but people need to understand this, that when
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Obama said all the medical doctors need to put their
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: records into the system, Those records became known through COVID.
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  Speaker 5: So they were able to track which doctors were giving
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: patients ivermectin, and that's how they did it. And so
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: at the time, my husband had so many files. He'd
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: already been in family practice for some 30 years. He
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: never put them in the system. So they didn't come
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: after him for that. And he was able to find
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  Speaker 5: a small compound pharmacy and give his patients ivermectin. Now,
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: the hospital that he sent a few of his patients to,
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  Speaker 5: and mind you, I think almost every single one of them,
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: which was only nine, came out of the hospital alive
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  Speaker 5: because he was their patient advocate. And he spoke to
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: a hospitalist there. I would hear him up at night
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: talking to the hospitalist, telling him how to treat his patients.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: And I don't think that they liked that because they
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: get a lot of money when they give the patients
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: in their remdesivir and do the hospital protocol then and
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: they die. I mean, that happens to so many of
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: the patients who end up in the hospital. In any event,
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: he knew the hospitalists for 20 years. He knew all
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: of them because he had assisted in surgery at this
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  Speaker 5: particular hospital, which is Los Robles Hospital in Thousand Oaks,
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: which has a very bad reputation right now. But in
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: any event, he had been treating his patients for two years.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: We thought that we had had COVID in the very beginning.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: I still think we did. But I think when the
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: Delta variant came out, I believe personally it was a
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: different bioweapon because it affected both of us in a
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: very different way.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had that strain and it was no fun.
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: It was bad.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: And My oxygen level dropped down to 82 for a
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: couple of days. And I called my doctor and told her,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and she said, you need to get to the emergency room.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, thank you. I have no intention
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: of going to the emergency room. And I asked her,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I said, how many patients have you sent to the hospital?
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  Speaker 3: She said several. I said, have any died? She said, yes.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I said, have any of your patients not gone to
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  Speaker 3: the hospital? She said, yes. I said, how many died?
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  Speaker 3: She said, none.
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  Speaker 4: None.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, thank you. I'll stay home. And in
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: a day or so, it was better. But go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: No, you're exactly correct. But the situation is.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: It came on as a fever.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: We thought it was the flu because, of course, we
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: thought we had had COVID and he'd been treating patients
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: with COVID for two years. So why would we think
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: that this would be COVID? We thought, you know, we
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: had the antibodies. Neither one of us were vaccinated. And
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: for a doctor, that was rare. I didn't believe in
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: the vaccine. And he was one of the few doctors
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: that didn't even recommend the vaccine. He just would... send
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: them a video to watch. It was usually one of Dr.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: Peter McCullough's videos.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: He's like, watch this to get the other side. Okay.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: But in any event, we both got it. He got
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: it first. And just like you said, it attacks the
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: lower lungs. So it was, and it comes on like,
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, I I've never experienced anything like it. That's
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: why I think it was a bioweapon because it just
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: felt so unusual. But in any event, he had a
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: high fever for three days and then it went away
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: for a day, which was so strange. And then it
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: came back and it happened to with the oxygen. So
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: he couldn't breathe. We got an oxygen tank at home,
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: but it wasn't the ones that the hospitals have.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: And that's really what he needed. So this was, I think,
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: I think it was day nine.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Finally, I told him to start the protocol on day seven.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: I said, just think, you know, you have COVID, whatever
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: it is, just start your protocol.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: But he did. And it got to a point.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Where his oxygen level went below, I think it was 80.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: And he literally wasn't breathing. And he said, you have
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: to take me to the hospital.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: I just, I'm going to die. And I was so resistant.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I can't bring you to the hospital because
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: I don't think you're going to come out of the hospital.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: I told him that. But in any event, I took
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: him to the hospital. They wouldn't let me in with him.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: He went into the emergency, which was a complete nightmare.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: They had him there for, I don't even know, maybe 10,
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: 11 hours before they even gave him a bed.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: And once they did that, I.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Had called the nurses and the doctors and I'm like,
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: do not give him remdesivir.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Do not. Like I already knew. Do not give it
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: to him.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: And the nurses assured me that they didn't give him remdesivir,
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: which they lied because as I found out later, they
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: had given him remdesivir and he was.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Pretty out of it. So I think for the first
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: two days he was in there.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: So did they put him on the ventilator? As well?
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Well, it didn't get to that point yet. It didn't
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: happen yet.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: So he was in the hospital for nine days.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: What next is I got?
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: The same, you know, I got the Delta and I
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: wasn't doing very well, but I certainly didn't need to
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: go to the hospital.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: But he we were texting back and forth. He's like,
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: you have to come to the hospital.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: And then my neighbor, who's a paramedic, and then my son,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: they just were so worried about me that they kind
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: of insisted go to the hospital. So I went in
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: an ambulance to the hospital. Same horror story in the
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: waiting room. Um, where people were sitting in wheelchairs on
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: the ground on gurneys, um, and they were only wearing
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: masks in there, by the way. And, um, I remember
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: they asked me if I was vaccinated and I made
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: the mistake and I said, No, at first. And I
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: was just treated very poorly. They didn't give me water.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: They didn't come check me. And when they went to
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: give me the COVID test, finally, I refused it. So
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: I never did have a COVID test. But in the meantime,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: they put me in a room with three other people
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: that didn't have COVID. So how worried were they that
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: it was this infectious spreading virus when I was in
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: there with two other people? And they only had masks on,
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: which the doctors were wearing in a flimsy way. So
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: at this point, my husband's upstairs on the third floor. Finally,
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: after I think it was 10 hours for me, nine
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: hours later, They wheeled me up to the third floor
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: and they had said they didn't have any beds, which
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: was totally false. They had tons of beds. They had
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: no staff. So they had fired the staff that wasn't vaccinated.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: And right at that time, if you remember, it was
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: like Omicron came on and a lot of the people
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: were sick. So they had one charge nurse to about,
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: I don't even know, 10 patients, like so understaffed. But
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: the inconsistency was downstairs they had just a mask, and
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: upstairs they were wearing these full-on hazmat suits.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's right like it's going to change.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: It was such theater, wasn't it?
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: And then what ended up happening to your husband in
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: that hospital stay?
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: So.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: What happened is, I'm just going to go real quick
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: into this. Just to finish my story with myself, because
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: it kind of coincides with him.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: The doctor that was treating him, They had given me
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: remdesivir the day I got there and then the next
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: day without my consent. And this is a huge thing.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: I did not consent. Nobody told me they were giving
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: me remdesivir. When I finally found out, I freaked out.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: And I said to the doctor, because it is in
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: their protocol, like you're not supposed to give somebody remdesivir
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: unless it's like two or three days that they've had COVID.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: And I said I had had it five days prior.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: So then the doctor agreed, oh, yeah, you don't need
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: the remdesivir. And I said to him, but my husband
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: had it nine days prior and you at this point
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: had given him five doses of remdesivir.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: So the doctors knew.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: They knew that the chances of at least 30 to
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: 40 percent of the people they gave it to were
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: going to die. And my husband, as I found out,
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: he did have some kidney issues, and they knew that.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: So for him, it was a death sentence, an absolute
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: death sentence.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: And ultimately, that's what happened, isn't it?
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: That's what happened. And these were his colleagues. These were
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: his colleagues. That's what makes it so insane.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Do you think it was just ignorance on their part?
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: No, I do not. I do not.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: Remember, he wasn't sending people to the hospital. they were
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: not making profits off of his patients. And he was, he,
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: you know, he had a lot of patients. So in
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: the end, I was there a day five and the
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: day before he texted me, I have all of his
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: text messages and everything from when we were there. He
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: said to me, they called in a kidney specialist because
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: his kidney was failing day nine, which is what happens
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: with remdesivir. And then he said, I don't think I'm
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: going to make it. And I for the five days
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: I was there, I kept asking if I could see him.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Remember, he was across the hall. At one point, they.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: Drugged me so that I couldn't get out of bed
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: because I tried to go over to see him. So
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: that was another absolutely cruel thing is they wouldn't let
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: us see each other on the same floor.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Seven came in on day five. I was there.
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: And they said to me that he had gone into
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: cardiac arrest. And I told them they better get me
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: down to see him. So they went to get me
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: a wheelchair. And by the time they put me in
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: the wheelchair, he had already passed.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was awful.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: I never got to say goodbye to him. And it
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: was terrible. And then they locked me back in my
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: room for 11 hours with one person that brought me food.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Was that 2000? Was that 2021? Or was that 22?
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: It was just the beginning of 2022. He passed on January.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. God bless you. God bless you for going through
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: it because so many of us watched that unfold on
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: social media with videos that you were doing. How's your
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: life now? Tell us about that. What are you up to?
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: What are you doing? Life goes on. And how has
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: it gone on for you?
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: Well, at first I was passionately tweeting about it and
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: I was interviewing and my tweets, some of them were
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: getting a million views. And they ended up taking my tweets.
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: They banned me from Twitter. And two days later.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: Join the club. Yes, but the weird thing is two
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: days later.
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: Gilead, who has remdesivir, that's their drug, it got FDA
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: approved for children and infants two days after they banned me.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: So I don't see that as coincidence.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: It probably wasn't. There weren't really a whole lot of
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: coincidences back then.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: People could try to say it was a coincidence, but
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: I personally don't believe there were many coincidences.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: No, I don't either. I don't believe in coincidence anyway.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: Um, but in any event, I decided that it wasn't
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: the time for me to be an activist with, um,
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: With Gilead or the government, I wasn't going to be
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: able to do a class action lawsuit. And I didn't
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: feel like going after the hospital, which I could have.
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: Because there was definitely, especially with him, and they knew
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: that he had kidney issues. I could have gone after
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: the hospital. But that wasn't really what I wanted. I
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: wanted them to stop giving people remdesivir. And I started...
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: an email and I started pushing out people's stories on
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: Getter at that point. Horrible, horrible stories of losing a
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: husband with two small kids and the doctor's bills that
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: they're having to pay after they murder their spouse. So
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: this continues to happen to this day, by the way.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: So I really did want to set up like a
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: foundation and go in that direction. Not saying I'm not
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: going to, Um, but I ended up putting my passion
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: into another organization called perk.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: And, um, and what was that called? What's that called again, Dawn?
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Can you say that and tell people where to go
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: find that too?
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: Um, so it's, if you want to go on Twitter,
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: it's perk underscore group. And, um, It's per group if
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: you want to look it up. And so this is
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: an amazing organization. They're out of California. And if people
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: don't think that we're making headways in California, we are.
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: I do all their social media on Twitter.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: And I am also a board member.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: And we are our president, Amy Bond, who is she
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: is just out there.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: She is such a fighter.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: She's actually going to be speaking on Monday with the
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: Freedom of Speech rally for the Supreme Court. So the
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: thing about PERC, why the group is so successful, is
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: that we litigate. So not only are we out there educating,
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: we have a great team of attorneys and we deal
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: with the bad bills that are coming out of California
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: and we're fighting them and we're winning.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Well, good. It's great to hear stories like that. That you,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: you know, you've come out on the other side and
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: you're doing something positive for the country, for your community. Really,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: more than anything, is right there in California. And you're
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: doing something about it. And Dawn, thank you so much
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: for the visit. And God bless you for coming through
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: what you came through and you keep fighting.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me on. And God
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: bless you, too.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: You know, people like you who are doing podcasts and,
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: you know, we're all in this together. And one thing
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  Speaker 5: I will say, what happens in California affects the rest
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  Speaker 5: of the country. So it's really important that we all
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  Speaker 5: work together on medical freedom and parental rights and everything,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that I think all of us believe in.
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  Speaker 3: Dawn, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: There is only one truth. You've been listening to The
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  Speaker 1: Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America Out Loud.