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Four Years of The Observatory | Scott & LaRae Wright on Preferences, Curiosity & Finding Common Ground · The Observatory | Discovery of Consciousness & Awareness

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Observatory Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: With your hosts Scott and LaRae Wright.
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  Speaker 1: Join us each week as we explore living life from
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  Speaker 1: the inside out. Welcome back to the Observatory Podcast. Today
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  Speaker 1: it's Rae and I sitting down coming back from our
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  Speaker 1: hiatus of the summer to just chat about that hiatus
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, but we're also going to delve into
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  Speaker 1: a subject that we're We both have kind of an
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  Speaker 1: affinity to a little bit more about curiosity, which we've
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  Speaker 1: done in the past, but also preferences. Why do our
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  Speaker 1: preferences guide us and direct us so much in our lives?
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  Speaker 1: They do until they don't. So stay tuned for this
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  Speaker 1: podcast about preferences and just sit back, relax, and enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Observatory Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, honey.
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  Speaker 1: So you said, why are you saying it that way?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, why are you saying it that way?
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  Speaker 1: Because it's been a while. We've taken a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a hiatus over the summer. We did.
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  Speaker 2: We had a lot of things come up and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of projects we were trying to bring to completion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And as I was, and I think this is
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  Speaker 1: probably something we're going to do, you know, take a
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  Speaker 1: little sabbatical. And what we did during that time was
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  Speaker 1: we just put old podcasts that we'd done and we
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  Speaker 1: released them and perhaps ones that people hadn't heard that
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  Speaker 1: they could explore. It was good because, I mean, for me,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but for me, the way
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  Speaker 1: the summer progressed and the way everything unfolded and what's
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  Speaker 1: happened right here at the end of the summer has been,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like I'm perceiving the world very differently.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll go into that, not in this podcast, but
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  Speaker 1: in the following podcasts. where we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: some things that we've been going through together, and my
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  Speaker 1: family especially. But today's September the 8th.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and we realized that our podcast started....
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  Speaker 1: September the 7th.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, in 2022. So we've been doing this. We've now
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  Speaker 2: completed our fourth year.
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  Speaker 1: Four years.
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  Speaker 2: And we have over 200 episodes, so that is why
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  Speaker 2: releasing them again, taking a little bit of time in
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  Speaker 2: the summer... And sharing some older ones helps our audience
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  Speaker 2: just kind of hear some favorites again or hear ones
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  Speaker 2: they haven't heard.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Exploring some of the older ones. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're like a TV show. We get to do reruns sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We have that with our own favorite shows, right? So,
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  Speaker 2: but I did want to just kind of talk about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, on the anniversary, what this podcast has meant
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  Speaker 2: to us. And... you know, what it has brought into
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  Speaker 2: our lives and what it continues to bring and just
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  Speaker 2: how creating that community of like-mindedness that is not like-mindedness
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  Speaker 2: in that we all see the world the same, but
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  Speaker 2: perhaps like-mindedness in the way that we approach these topics
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  Speaker 2: with curiosity. And it's in that curiosity that we have
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  Speaker 2: that common ground. We may all walk away from a
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  Speaker 2: conversation holding our own truth or our own belief about
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  Speaker 2: what was discussed, and that's okay. We don't want people
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  Speaker 2: to think just like us.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, we've talked about curiosity. Actually, I think
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  Speaker 1: we did a whole podcast on curiosity a while back.
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  Speaker 1: But since you mentioned that, I think our understanding of
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  Speaker 1: that has gone even deeper. You said something to me earlier,
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  Speaker 1: today or yesterday, I can't remember, about curiosity being the
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  Speaker 1: bridge between the heavy, difficult emotions of and the more elevated,
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  Speaker 1: elated emotions. And I had never thought of it that way,
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  Speaker 1: but man, that's really the truth.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And there are several models out there, especially in
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  Speaker 2: the business world, that I've been working with recently that
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  Speaker 2: teach leaders, you know, when they're frustrated or when they're angry,
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  Speaker 2: if they can just become curious about the situation, they
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  Speaker 2: then invite a safer environment for other leaders or employees
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  Speaker 2: to have conversations. But that truth is the same everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Even if it is for yourself. So if you're feeling
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  Speaker 2: a lot of frustration and you can just become curious,
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  Speaker 2: whether that's in journaling or taking a walk and just saying,
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  Speaker 2: why am I feeling this way? What does this mean
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  Speaker 2: for me? What am I giving meaning to it? What
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  Speaker 2: am I making it mean? Some of those questions were
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  Speaker 2: really powerful questions when I was doing Gabor Monti's Compassionate Inquiry.
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  Speaker 2: What meaning am I giving this? And when we become curious,
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  Speaker 2: we can move from that fixed mindset that tends to
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  Speaker 2: keep us stuck somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: We're holding a lot more loosely to the ideas that
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  Speaker 1: we have that come from our own experience and history
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  Speaker 1: and whatever learning that we had and however we learned it.
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  Speaker 1: When you come into it, like you said, with curiosity,
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  Speaker 1: it gives you an opportunity to not hold so tightly
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  Speaker 1: to your side of the story, your thing that makes
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  Speaker 1: you feel that need to be right, right? And gaining
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity to be more tolerant of other ideas and
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  Speaker 1: other ways of seeing and other ways of being, no
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  Speaker 1: matter what it is. is it's important and it's becoming it.
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  Speaker 1: My sense of it is it feels like that's becoming
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  Speaker 1: more rare. We're, we're much more apt to get in
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  Speaker 1: an argument than we are to sit down and try
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  Speaker 1: and see someone, someone else's side of the story.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And it just helps us see things new.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, um, because we can use very common language,
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  Speaker 2: we can use common words, um, But just because the
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  Speaker 2: words are common does not mean that they hold the
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  Speaker 2: same meaning for us.
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  Speaker 1: Each person can perceive them totally differently.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And that's why words matter. In fact, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was yesterday you and I were looking at some words,
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  Speaker 2: and the article that we were reading talked about how
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  Speaker 2: some of the older languages actually, the words are encoded
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  Speaker 2: with a vibration. So Latin, Sanskrit. Some of these ancient languages,
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  Speaker 2: the words carried a very specific vibration to them. And
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  Speaker 2: the way they were constructed, the two or three syllables
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  Speaker 2: or components put together that created the word meant something.
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  Speaker 2: And I know there's a word for that, etymology or something,
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember. And we've really moved away from that.
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  Speaker 2: We just use words and we use them carelessly.
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  Speaker 1: And casually and Don't even look at what they mean.
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  Speaker 2: Don't look at what they mean or don't even seek
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  Speaker 2: common understanding.
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  Speaker 1: Can I give you one that impacted me?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, please do.
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  Speaker 1: One that really stood out to me, and that was
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  Speaker 1: the word they talked about in this video, the word mortgage.
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  Speaker 1: Remember that one? Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 2: Because you had spent your time doing mortgages. But the
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  Speaker 2: word is really not very positive.
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  Speaker 1: No. I mean, mort is the... First root, and that
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  Speaker 1: comes from the word death.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then gauge, I don't remember exactly what it was,
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  Speaker 1: but basically it was like this lifelong, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: have something until you die, and that just is a
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  Speaker 1: representation of what that word, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Represented.
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  Speaker 1: Represented for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very interesting that it said that, because
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  Speaker 2: it was like a lock, almost something that you were
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  Speaker 2: bound by until death.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A slavery kind of a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that feels like what it is. And it
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  Speaker 1: has morphed so much because now, I mean, fewer and
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  Speaker 1: fewer and fewer people are able to actually afford a mortgage,
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  Speaker 1: a home. They're renting, which is even worse.
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  Speaker 2: More costly sometimes, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It would be interesting to see what the word rent means.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But it goes back to we can see things
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  Speaker 2: new when we become curious, whether it's curious about where
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  Speaker 2: a word came from or what a word means or
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  Speaker 2: even just seeking common understanding between two people. And we've
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  Speaker 2: spent a lot of time doing that in our relationship
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  Speaker 2: by saying, do you mean this? Because again, and we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about this, words can carry Not only the definition
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  Speaker 2: of a word, but the tone in which they're said,
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  Speaker 2: which significantly changes how it feels.
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  Speaker 1: Or the accent is on the word.
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  Speaker 2: Right. How it feels or what it means when someone
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  Speaker 2: says it. So, you know, all of that I think
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  Speaker 2: is part of that curiosity that becomes something that can
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  Speaker 2: help us. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, it's interesting that we started out this
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  Speaker 1: conversation this way because where we're going with this whole
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  Speaker 1: conversation today, we've just been bantering, but it all fits
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  Speaker 1: right into where we're going. And that is to talk
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  Speaker 1: about something I've been passionate about now for a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: and that's preferences. And preferences, I think my first... time
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  Speaker 1: really even looking at the preferences and even realizing that
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  Speaker 1: I had preferences and that everyone has preferences and they're
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  Speaker 1: all different was when I read the first Michael Singer book,
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  Speaker 1: The Untethered Soul, because he talks a lot about observing
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  Speaker 1: yourself And noticing what your patterns, preferences, all of these
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  Speaker 1: different things are. And I hadn't taken the time to
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  Speaker 1: do that until that point. And now I try, emphasize
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  Speaker 1: that word, try.
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  Speaker 2: Because it is hard.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yes. To do it more often than I'm not
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  Speaker 1: doing it. And, you know, it's easy with the energy thing.
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  Speaker 1: that you witness. For me, I always use traffic as
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate metaphor for this because how I'm reacting to
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  Speaker 1: things in traffic is based on how I prefer it
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  Speaker 1: to be. I don't prefer that this person in front
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  Speaker 1: of me is driving so slow, or I've got somewhere
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  Speaker 1: to go, just all the reasons. And there's so many
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  Speaker 1: ways that our preferences show up, and until we take
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  Speaker 1: the time to notice them, We don't really recognize how
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  Speaker 1: strongly we really hold them. Each of us hold in
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  Speaker 1: our own way. And this is, I think, the fuel
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  Speaker 1: that feeds this fire of discontent that we're seeing with
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  Speaker 1: human beings right now because we're not tolerant that everybody
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  Speaker 1: else has preferences and I have preferences. Why does everyone's
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  Speaker 1: preferences have to be what mine are?
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  Speaker 2: Right, and I believe... it may lead to when we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about this and I've thought about my own, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't really understand that they were preferences. I held them
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  Speaker 2: more as truths. Oh, and so, you know, in the
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  Speaker 2: Michael Singer book, it was a big aha that, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't true for everyone. This is a truth that
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  Speaker 2: I have a preference to. And why do I have
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  Speaker 2: that preference? And maybe that preference came through heritage, right?
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  Speaker 2: And so it gives you an opportunity to stop and say,
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  Speaker 2: do I really want this preference? Or is this a
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  Speaker 2: preference that I have had historically or handed down to me?
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  Speaker 2: Or it's just come as part of my experiences, but
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  Speaker 2: can I sit with it and really say, is this
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  Speaker 2: preference right for me? Is it true for me?
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  Speaker 1: How does it feel?
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  Speaker 2: How does it feel? Does it make me feel better
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  Speaker 2: about myself? Does it make me feel connected to the
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  Speaker 2: whole world? Does it make me feel connected to who
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  Speaker 2: I am? And, you know, it's been interesting because at
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  Speaker 2: the same time we were asking that question, things started
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  Speaker 2: happening all around us that was the same prompt about preferences.
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  Speaker 1: Totally.
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  Speaker 2: And it was called a little bit different, different things.
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  Speaker 2: But one that comes up that I now, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I just laugh at all the time now is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the whole concept of fake news. Because when I was young,
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  Speaker 2: I never believed the news to be fake or not true.
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  Speaker 2: We had watched the nightly news, and it was really
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  Speaker 2: something that we trusted was true. Whoever the news person was,
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  Speaker 2: and I remember the old-timey ones, Walter Cronkite, and him
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  Speaker 2: coming into our home every night was a voice of truth.
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  Speaker 2: And so it was never something I even questioned. And
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  Speaker 2: in fact, In our modern day, when it was first questioned,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, why would they say fake news? But now,
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  Speaker 2: you know, through the technology, we can watch on the
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  Speaker 2: channel four stations at once when we're watching. We often
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  Speaker 2: do that when we're watching the news so that we
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  Speaker 2: can see the four different opinions. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Four different media outlets broadcasting national news.
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  Speaker 2: Which typically are having a different view.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: They all are known for different views.
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  Speaker 1: And we're doing this mostly for entertainment purposes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, entertainment and also to inform ourselves more completely than
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  Speaker 2: just saying, oh, this channel is my preference. Right. And
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  Speaker 2: so I'm going to believe this channel when if you
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  Speaker 2: become curious and you listen to other channels, you hear
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  Speaker 2: different bits and pieces of the same thing that are
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  Speaker 2: very different. And so it's just, introduced to me the
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  Speaker 2: concept much deeper of preferences other than beyond the preferences
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  Speaker 2: that are very personal, like the kind of cars I
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  Speaker 2: like to drive or the food I like to eat
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  Speaker 2: or where I like to vacation. Those are all preferences
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  Speaker 2: to the way I see the world. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, there's a lot of reasons that we
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  Speaker 1: each use to justify why I prefer things a certain way.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Because it keeps us safe.
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  Speaker 1: On either side. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It may keep us safe. It's what we believe most
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  Speaker 2: strongly in, in terms of how it aligns with our
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  Speaker 2: values or it aligns with the way we want our
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  Speaker 2: world to be. It also aligns, and this one is where,
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  Speaker 2: for me, has been a big aha. It can align
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  Speaker 2: to my fears. Yeah. And if I have a fear
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  Speaker 2: of something and something aligns to my fears, I tend
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  Speaker 2: to go see. I immediately validate my fear through that alignment. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When I've started to kind of ask myself if I
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  Speaker 2: heard something else with that, if it didn't align to
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  Speaker 2: my fears, does it give me an opportunity to ask,
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  Speaker 2: is my fear real?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. And I think, you know, the energy
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  Speaker 1: that kind of brought this about where people became much
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  Speaker 1: more skeptical came through. it's been years coming, but there's
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  Speaker 1: some really significant occurrences that happened, like COVID, for example.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Where people really started to question now. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: election cycles and government and politics and both, no matter
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  Speaker 1: what side it is, and the arguments that they have.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's at the forefront of news these days.
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  Speaker 1: And it's all division. And it used to be that
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  Speaker 1: we could disagree a little bit more peacefully. Now it's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you see legislature battles where it's
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  Speaker 1: actual physical confrontations between people. Not been that way so
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  Speaker 1: much here as other places, but, you know, it exists.
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  Speaker 1: And it's the energy that we're starting to witness. And because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nothing really can be hidden now, but you've
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  Speaker 1: got to be able to discern what's real and what's
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  Speaker 1: not real. And that's getting harder and harder with AI
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  Speaker 1: and everything else going on. But it's important that you
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  Speaker 1: trust the feelings that you have. If it's bringing up
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  Speaker 1: feelings of fear or discontent or it's bringing up feelings
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  Speaker 1: of what your preferences are or what your preferences are not,
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  Speaker 1: things that you prefer to have and there's things that
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  Speaker 1: you prefer to push away. So there's those two differences
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  Speaker 1: as well. It's not just the things I like. It's
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  Speaker 1: also the things I don't like. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, preferences go both ways. And again, bringing it back
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  Speaker 2: to curiosity, if you can become curious about what is
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  Speaker 2: not your preference, there's such learning in there. And the
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  Speaker 2: learning can go two ways. It can help you revalidate
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  Speaker 2: and sort of recommit to the preference that you have,
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  Speaker 2: or it can help you see something new. And so
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  Speaker 2: it's just, I think, a really powerful exercise to bring
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  Speaker 2: more curiosity into your life and to Take time to
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  Speaker 2: understand what your preferences are and how they drive you
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  Speaker 2: every day in small ways.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to challenge the listeners with something. And
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  Speaker 1: let's use something that's pretty easy to understand these days
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  Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Maybe not everyone. But if
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  Speaker 1: you do watch the news, talk about national news here.
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  Speaker 1: If you do watch the news, what is the station
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  Speaker 1: or the channel or the cable company that you watch?
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  Speaker 1: follow mostly? And what direction do they lean? Just ask
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  Speaker 1: this question of yourself. Then let's say you're drawn more
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  Speaker 1: toward Fox News. And if you are drawn more towards
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  Speaker 1: Fox News, what are the feelings that come up in you?
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  Speaker 1: If I say you're going to have to sit here
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  Speaker 1: and watch 30 minutes of MSNBC, what kind of feelings
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  Speaker 1: does that bring up in you? Just observe that. Not
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  Speaker 1: saying you have to do it. Not even suggesting that
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  Speaker 1: you do do it. But what are the feelings that
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  Speaker 1: that's bringing up? And is it fear? Is it your
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  Speaker 1: need to be right? Is it the gamut of different
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  Speaker 1: kinds of emotions you could feel around something like that?
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  Speaker 1: And the opposite is also true. Maybe you're the MSNBC
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  Speaker 1: watcher and you've got to sit and watch Fox News
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  Speaker 1: for 30 minutes. What's What kind of feelings is that
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  Speaker 1: bringing up in you? So to me, there is a
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  Speaker 1: middle of the road. But that middle of the road
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  Speaker 1: for a lot of people is also scary because they
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  Speaker 1: think you don't want to do anything. You don't want
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  Speaker 1: to take a side.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And that's not true. No. I think middle of
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  Speaker 2: the road is.
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  Speaker 1: You stand up for what's right and not what's right
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  Speaker 1: in a sense of humanity, not what's right in a
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  Speaker 1: sense for what your philosophy is. Right. But what's right
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  Speaker 1: for all, the whole, the goodness of everyone. What is that?
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  Speaker 2: Right. And that's just accepting a much bigger community where
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  Speaker 2: more differences can coexist and it's still okay. And we
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  Speaker 2: can all still keep our individuality and yet still belong
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  Speaker 2: to the human family.
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  Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean that there needs to be a
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  Speaker 4: lot of different organizations or governments or anything like that
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: that are going to come and rescue everyone from everything.
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  Speaker 1: But what I've started to witness and see is that
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: there's small groups that are kind of automatically forming like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the music groups that I've been part of and the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: men's group that I've been part of. I just witnessed
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: in the men's group something yesterday happen. One of the
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: guys in the group, we have a signal group so
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: we can send out text messages and kind of keep
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: updated in there. He said, hey, my air conditioning in
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: my house went out and at the same time my
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: rental property, your conditioning in that went out. And he's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: not working right now. So he's got those two things
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: going on. Immediately one of the guys in the groups
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: like comes out, reaches out, goes out, fixes his air
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: conditioner for him and helps this guy out who really
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: needs help. And that's just one example of how we
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: can all do that. And when, when we get in
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: these groups where we're, uh, supportive of one another, whatever
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: way that that forms, and we don't hold on to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: philosophies and we don't hold on to, uh, dogmatic belief
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: systems and things like that that keep us separate, we
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: realize we're all human. You know, this is the, this is,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that is what has to come to the surface on
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the planet right now.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Humanity, the equality, not talking about race, not talking about religion, government, country,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: not talking about any of that.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: We are equal beings. We arrive here in innocence. And
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: that then shifts to something else as time goes on.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And we lose that innocence. And the losing of that
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: innocence is where really the tragedy is, but it's a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: necessary part of life. You have to go through losing
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: that innocence. You're in a totally forgetful state when you
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: get here as a little baby. And so that innocence
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: of what you are You're learning all of these things.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And some of them create a loss of innocence. We
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: go through trauma and abuse and terrible things as humans.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: But that's part of being in this illusion of separation
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: from source. We're not separate. We are, as human beings,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: as a collective, we are that source. We are that.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: We're a manifestation in form of that source. that's the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: way I see it. And that's the way I believe it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: It feels better to me than waiting for a giant being.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: It's your preference.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Sitting on a cloud, right? This is my preference coming
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: out now. That just feels better to me, but I
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: am 100% okay with those who see that source as
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: something different than that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, um, Thank you for sharing that, honey.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I think that's really beautiful. It's kind of the reason
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: why going back full circle as we started this saying
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: it was our anniversary date and what has the podcast
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: brought to us. I think that is what doing the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: podcast has brought to me is one, creating a community
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and just the time commitment that it takes to Record
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: and think of topics and really tend to a podcast.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nurture it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Right, nurture it. But also invite conversations that stretch me,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: that give me pause, that give me curiosity to go,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: that's really interesting. And to also see how we are
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: more similar than we are different. Mm-hmm. And so as
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I think about all the conversations that we've had, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: we've had many, and naturally we started with people that
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: we knew and we've branched out to people that we
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: don't know, but yet have still such beautiful stories and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: compelling things to share with the audience. I just really
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: believe that the podcast has been something that has been
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: part of what my soul searched for To help evolve,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: to help me move beyond that place that I was
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: comfortable and move closer to just becoming comfortable in something
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: that was bigger than where I was when we started.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I mean, I feel that too. And,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you know, as we've gone through that evolution of our
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: lives in this later term, later part of our lives,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: my curiosity has increased.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: By far. By far.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And as my curiosity has increased, what I've noticed is
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I start to be more open and I start to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: be more willing to see different views.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: And less judgmental.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And less judgmental. Not perfect, but less so. And the
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: podcast has been, I mean, it's been really a work
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: of love. I don't feel, you know... We took the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: summer off. I don't feel pressed to have to make
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: sure that we get the episode out every week. It
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: comes in flow, and it's amazing how we just get
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: messages from people that are like, well, we'd like to
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: be on the podcast.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Or we know someone who you should have on the podcast,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and they all come at the right time. I think
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: that's a way that I'm starting to notice that as
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I kind of let go of my preferences so much,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: And I'm just open to being present in the moment
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and okay with what is, that the flow just continues.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: And I didn't believe that not that long ago.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Right. Well, we are very excited for everyone who is
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: still here with us. And we encourage you to share
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the podcast with your friends, with family. share it on
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: your social media. We'd love for our audience to grow
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: just because we love entertaining the sharing and learning back
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: from others. We have some great podcasts coming up. We
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: have a lot of referrals, actually, of people that have
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: listened to the podcast and made recommendations for people who
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: are going to be on the show and people who
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: have heard the podcast and have asked if they could
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: come on it and So I love the fact that
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: it's becoming that organic now. And that it isn't you
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and I sitting down making a short list of who
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: can be on it. But that audience, that reciprocity is
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: starting to build and to grow. And fitting people in
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: and scheduling it is becoming just delightful as we continue
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to meet more people. I agree.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm also... super excited about just continuing to do
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: these like this with you.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, and we will continue to do that. We have
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of things that are coming up in our lives,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: so we will do that. Scott referenced that the next
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: episode is one that we want to do because of
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: just some personal things that happen, but there's other things
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: that are going to be ongoing throughout the year that
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: we're working on, some projects and some travel and a
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: few other things that we're going to be excited to
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: take the podcast along with us through that musical adventures
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: to musical adventures.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: We're going to, um, have you come along for the
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: ride and be part of it, which makes it so
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: much more celebratory. So that'll be a lot of fun.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I'm coming back to Maven to do sound baths. Yes.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And we'll be talking about that as we get closer
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: to that. So there's a lot coming up and, um,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: So thank you. Thank you for being on the ride.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And happy anniversary.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Happy anniversary.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: You know, September is an anniversary month for us.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Four years.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: It's the podcast, and it's also our wedding anniversary later
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: in the month.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: My birthday.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And your birthday. So what more could we want to
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: have in September?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I love September.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Just so much celebration. And that's the other thing is,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us through all the seasons.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: As we stepped outside today, we both were like, The
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: season is changing and it is delightful because fall is
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: a favorite time for both of us.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: My garden is nuts right now.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we love how things start to change and the
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: color and the vibrancy of just what life looks like
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: when it just isn't so oppressed by the heat and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: those cooler evenings. Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Can feel the plants giving a sigh of relief so
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: that it's not a hundred degrees.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Anymore yeah along with us yes so.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: For sure all right so we will close this one
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: for now and stay with us. The next podcast that
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: we're going to do together is going to be special.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: It's going to be very special to me. I know
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: it will be to Ray too. So we're going to
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: share some stuff.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: As we sign off. Happy anniversary.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Happy anniversary.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: And watch those preferences.
• 29:58
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• 30:22
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• 30:26
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• 30:28
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• 30:33
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