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Ep. 211 - Why Stealing Has Become so Fashionable · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Ray Comfort: I had a store that was robbed Really.
• 1:05
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it was called Leather Gear.
• 1:07
  Ray Comfort: That's when I used to make leather jackets for people and I had 13 burglaries in one year.
• 1:14
  Ray Comfort: Oh, and it was because I was between a hotel, a boozer and this halfway house.
• 1:20
  Ray Comfort: That's where I was right in the middle of them and I wrote a note and it said on the door dear burglars, yeah, since I've been here I've had 12 burglaries and I put a line through it 13.
• 1:31
  Ray Comfort: Because after I put that sign up, I got another one.
• 1:34
  Ray Comfort: The local newspaper took a picture of it, put it in the paper, so I got a lot of publicity from it and got more burglaries after that.
• 1:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah right, this is the guy who does nothing.
• 1:43
  Emeal Zwayne: He does have a lock on his door.
• 1:44
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, when I was living in Westminster, I told you guys that my family bought a four-plex apartment building.
• 1:50
  Mark Spence: This could be a long story.
• 1:51
  Mark Spence: It sounds like it.
• 1:53
  Emeal Zwayne: And we all lived next to each other.
• 1:54
  Emeal Zwayne: So anyway, they kept coming in and breaking in.
• 1:56
  Emeal Zwayne: One night my uncle.
• 1:57
  Emeal Zwayne: He was lying in bed and he saw someone in his window trying to come in.
• 2:00
  Emeal Zwayne: So he put this note on the window and it said dear thief, you may succeed in getting in, but you will not succeed in getting out.
• 2:07
  Emeal Zwayne: It stopped after that.
• 2:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, that'd be a good one.
• 2:09
  Emeal Zwayne: That's clever.
• 2:10
  Emeal Zwayne: That's clever.
• 2:10
  Emeal Zwayne: There are some foods that are not meant to be eaten, friends, because there are some foods whose names are not meant to be uttered because they be ugly.
• 2:33
  Emeal Zwayne: They be hey, friends.
• 2:35
  Emeal Zwayne: We'd love you all to come over to dinner tonight for some guacamole.
• 2:39
  Emeal Zwayne: I love guacamole.
• 2:42
  Ray Comfort: Amen.
• 2:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Hey, what do you guys say?
• 2:44
  Emeal Zwayne: We get together this weekend for some chutney.
• 2:50
  Ray Comfort: No one gets together to have chutney.
• 2:53
  Emeal Zwayne: There's any word.
• 2:54
  Emeal Zwayne: It cracks me up and disgusts me at the same time.
• 2:58
  Emeal Zwayne: It's soared Chutney.
• 2:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Win a snitch on what is chutney, by the way.
• 3:03
  Ray Comfort: It's a spread.
• 3:03
  Ray Comfort: It's kind of like a lightweight mustard, but it's got cauliflower in it.
• 3:07
  Ray Comfort: That's pretty good.
• 3:09
  Ray Comfort: It's quite nice, sounds delicious.
• 3:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Good to have with me.
• 3:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Would you have some?
• 3:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, can I please have some Pumpernickel bread?
• 3:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Pumpernickel bread.
• 3:20
  Oscar Navarro: I'm glad someone's entertained.
• 3:23
  Emeal Zwayne: I was trying to think of how I feel at the moment so entertaining For our 25th anniversary.
• 3:29
  Emeal Zwayne: I took my wife out to.
• 3:30
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, wienerschnitzel.
• 3:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I knew that was coming.
• 3:34
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark, was that a quote?
• 3:36
  Emeal Zwayne: How did you enjoy Wienerschnitzel for your anniversary with Laura?
• 3:39
  Emeal Zwayne: You got to stop.
• 3:41
  Oscar Navarro: Yes, when's the last?
• 3:42
  Emeal Zwayne: time you went to Wienerschnitzel, der Wiener Der.
• 3:44
  Mark Spence: Wienerschnitzel.
• 3:45
  Mark Spence: I'm having a medical procedure tomorrow and I'm fasting today, and you guys are talking about Wienerschnitzel.
• 3:52
  Emeal Zwayne: That was divinely done, mark.
• 3:54
  Emeal Zwayne: I prepped this and I didn't even know.
• 3:55
  Ray Comfort: You're getting a body transplant, body transplant, head transplant, head transplant?
• 3:58
  Emeal Zwayne: Are you fixing the thing on your face, trying?
• 4:00
  Ray Comfort: to get it no, Zoska.
• 4:03
  Emeal Zwayne: You're sensitive.
• 4:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Come on, you guys.
• 4:04
  Emeal Zwayne: You have to admit those are very ugly words.
• 4:07
  Oscar Navarro: No, that's totally culturally insensitive.
• 4:13
  Emeal Zwayne: That's what I was aiming at.
• 4:14
  Ray Comfort: They're colorful words Wienerschnitzel, Dainish.
• 4:18
  Oscar Navarro: You said it.
• 4:19
  Ray Comfort: You know my favorite thing about.
• 4:20
  Oscar Navarro: Wienerschnitzel the warm bun when you unwrap it from the waxy paper and the cheese is just almost watery.
• 4:27
  Mark Spence: You're not going to lie with that.
• 4:28
  Mark Spence: That's why you order five chili cheese dogs and you let them just sit in the bag for a little bit.
• 4:32
  Oscar Navarro: It's the one fast food that you don't want to eat right away.
• 4:35
  Oscar Navarro: Don't even say fast food, because Mark's not eating.
• 4:37
  Emeal Zwayne: You guys are so demented.
• 4:38
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, I'm on the mic.
• 4:40
  Emeal Zwayne: And they.
• 4:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray just got a message from Scotty and his ear to get on the mic.
• 4:47
  Ray Comfort: So I was very subtle and handled it well.
• 4:49
  Ray Comfort: Good job, they'll never know.
• 4:51
  Ray Comfort: No, I'm on the mic, scotty.
• 4:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, oscar, I mean, you're an anomaly to me, man, with this.
• 4:58
  Emeal Zwayne: And again, I know we keep talking about it.
• 5:00
  Emeal Zwayne: It's because I'm just so perplexed with the whole Wienerschnitzel thing, like, okay, I don't get it either.
• 5:06
  Mark Spence: Are we moving on from Wienerschnitzel?
• 5:07
  Ray Comfort: We've done this.
• 5:08
  Ray Comfort: No, like Mark, that's as bad as the black coffee.
• 5:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, like Mark, you know he's a disgusting human being.
• 5:14
  Emeal Zwayne: He eats filthy things.
• 5:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh man preach, you wear like organic socks Too, shay I mean, and you're eating Wienerschnitzel.
• 5:25
  Oscar Navarro: It's just really good.
• 5:26
  Oscar Navarro: Sometimes you just gotta have a wiener schnitzel.
• 5:29
  Ray Comfort: Are we gonna move on from the?
• 5:30
  Emeal Zwayne: wiener schnitzel, because I know how to do it.
• 5:31
  Emeal Zwayne: It's one of those mysteries I just don't understand.
• 5:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Thur in the mouth, oh, like cotton balls.
• 5:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, cotton balls, stop it.
• 5:38
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, ray Ray, real quick, seriously, though you like chutney.
• 5:43
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, actually it's very nice If it's with the right stuff.
• 5:46
  Ray Comfort: It's not too hot or anything.
• 5:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, I'll tell you one of the most disgusting foods on the face of the earth.
• 5:52
  Ray Comfort: You're gonna offend somebody.
• 5:53
  Emeal Zwayne: I forgot about this.
• 5:53
  Emeal Zwayne: This wasn't even something I planned to say.
• 5:55
  Emeal Zwayne: What Sour crowd, oh.
• 5:57
  Ray Comfort: I love sour oh it's horrible.
• 5:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, thank you, that is disgusting.
• 6:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, finally I have a friend.
• 6:02
  Emeal Zwayne: My wife will eat sour crowd right on the jar.
• 6:05
  Ray Comfort: But think of what is cool.
• 6:07
  Oscar Navarro: Boo Sour Oscar you like sour crowd?
• 6:10
  Oscar Navarro: I don't recall.
• 6:11
  Oscar Navarro: Actually, I'm trying to remember the last of my head.
• 6:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I love it.
• 6:13
  Oscar Navarro: I enjoyed it a lot With like sausage.
• 6:15
  Oscar Navarro: You know, what I don't like is whatever that green minty jelly that they give you during Thanksgiving or Easter that you're supposed to put on stuff.
• 6:26
  Oscar Navarro: You know what I'm talking about?
• 6:26
  Oscar Navarro: Not green, you think.
• 6:28
  Oscar Navarro: In purple, purple Thanksgiving they give you like that green.
• 6:31
  Oscar Navarro: It's like comes out of a jar and it's green and it looks like jello.
• 6:35
  Oscar Navarro: Is it the?
• 6:36
  Ray Comfort: American version of mint sauce.
• 6:38
  Emeal Zwayne: It sounds like a relish.
• 6:40
  Oscar Navarro: I don't know what it is, but it's terrible.
• 6:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Whatever, if you're not one of those, I love my mother-in-law Don't look, please stop reading that Maybe it's leftover from the previous year.
• 6:48
  Oscar Navarro: That's why it's green.
• 6:49
  Emeal Zwayne: That's what it is.
• 6:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I mean, who in New Zealand one day just had some rotten yeast and said let's make it into maulmite?
• 6:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Is that what maulmite is basically?
• 6:56
  Ray Comfort: You can upset Mark Mark Lloyd.
• 6:57
  Ray Comfort: Mark Lloyd just loves it.
• 6:59
  Ray Comfort: He's American, Look real men eat maulmite.
• 7:02
  Emeal Zwayne: I can tolerate maulmite but real men eat maulmite, rachel is so into it.
• 7:07
  Oscar Navarro: It's tar.
• 7:08
  Oscar Navarro: What is it?
• 7:09
  Mark Spence: It's a sticky dark brown paste.
• 7:10
  Ray Comfort: It's black.
• 7:12
  Oscar Navarro: I was about to ask what do I need to eat in New?
• 7:14
  Oscar Navarro: Zealand?
• 7:14
  Oscar Navarro: This is what Love you.
• 7:16
  Ray Comfort: I'm going to go to New Zealand.
• 7:18
  Ray Comfort: Give Oscar a spoon for maulmite.
• 7:20
  Ray Comfort: No, no, you will not.
• 7:22
  Ray Comfort: You already knew anything, okay, no no, no, I want you to film it for me and use it in the program.
• 7:28
  Ray Comfort: When you go to New Zealand, it's got to be a teaspoon full of maulmite.
• 7:32
  Ray Comfort: A teaspoon what?
• 7:33
  Oscar Navarro: is it Teaspoon?
• 7:34
  Oscar Navarro: You don't need to Actually.
• 7:36
  Mark Spence: I prefer not to.
• 7:36
  Oscar Navarro: That was my thing, that's my thing when I travel.
• 7:39
  Ray Comfort: I don't know what it is.
• 7:40
  Oscar Navarro: I just want to try it.
• 7:41
  Ray Comfort: It's a yeast extract.
• 7:42
  Ray Comfort: That's it.
• 7:42
  Ray Comfort: It's not nothing weird.
• 7:44
  Emeal Zwayne: We'll do a tablespoon for Oscars.
• 7:45
  Ray Comfort: Maybe I'll do it on toast.
• 7:46
  Ray Comfort: No, not a tablespoon.
• 7:47
  Mark Spence: We like Oscar there is no way you're going to put a spoon of maulmite inside your mouth.
• 7:53
  Ray Comfort: Don't ruin it.
• 7:55
  Oscar Navarro: If it's like a thing that people eat, I will try it once Very common Ray, didn't you do that challenge once?
• 8:02
  Ray Comfort: I did it to Trevor upstairs and I actually filmed him and I felt terrible.
• 8:06
  Ray Comfort: And now you want to do it to Oscar.
• 8:08
  Ray Comfort: No, you guys are doing it to Oscar Because Trevor did boast and he said I can handle it.
• 8:14
  Oscar Navarro: I didn't say I can handle it, I'm just saying.
• 8:17
  Oscar Navarro: What I mean is that if this is something that people regularly do in New Zealand, I want to try it.
• 8:23
  Emeal Zwayne: It's not hot.
• 8:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, so we're basically your hit men, oscar in New Zealand.
• 8:28
  Ray Comfort: That's good.
• 8:29
  Ray Comfort: You like that what?
• 8:31
  Mark Spence: is the difference with Vegemite and Marmite?
• 8:34
  Ray Comfort: Vegemite is the Australian version of Marmite.
• 8:37
  Ray Comfort: That's all it is.
• 8:38
  Oscar Navarro: It's inferior, it is.
• 8:39
  Ray Comfort: It's inferior.
• 8:39
  Ray Comfort: Is it more bitter?
• 8:40
  Ray Comfort: No, it's just not as good.
• 8:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, rachel loves to have a little Marmite on taste.
• 8:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, all right, friends, we have a comment.
• 8:49
  Emeal Zwayne: This is from you know where?
• 8:50
  Ray Comfort: the name came from Marmite.
• 8:52
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, someone says, can you give me a sandwich?
• 8:55
  Ray Comfort: I want something on it.
• 8:55
  Ray Comfort: And this kid said, well, marmite.
• 9:00
  Ray Comfort: So stupid, it is pathetic.
• 9:01
  Ray Comfort: It's pathetic, all right.
• 9:07
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• 9:12
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• 9:14
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• 10:29
  Ray Comfort: That's clever.
• 10:29
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• 10:30
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• 11:54
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, today we're talking about why stealing has become so fashionable.
• 12:01
  Emeal Zwayne: There are a few things in life to me that are as nasty as stealing.
• 12:06
  Emeal Zwayne: You guys ever see one of these Onions?
• 12:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Well yeah, those are worse.
• 12:10
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, for sure.
• 12:11
  Emeal Zwayne: If you guys ever see those videos where a celebrity gets caught stealing you remember, was it Wynonna Ryder?
• 12:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, clothes, wynonna Ryder.
• 12:22
  Oscar Navarro: She's one of your friends.
• 12:23
  Emeal Zwayne: She's driving like a $100,000 car and she's stealing clothes With the thrill of it.
• 12:27
  Emeal Zwayne: What's behind that?
• 12:30
  Ray Comfort: Oh, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a Chutes.
• 12:34
  Mark Spence: I think there's a thrill attached to it as well.
• 12:35
  Mark Spence: I mean.
• 12:36
  Mark Spence: I think there is a thrill attached to it.
• 12:37
  Mark Spence: When I was in high school, I used to go inside of department stores and I would steal things with the alarm attached to it.
• 12:47
  Mark Spence: Still, Is that what it's called Plastic thing?
• 12:50
  Mark Spence: Yeah, a little plastic.
• 12:51
  Mark Spence: It looked like this, the annoying thing Only to see if I could return it the next day To get past security through the beep, beep, beep, beep.
• 12:58
  Mark Spence: Seriously, yeah, can I get out of the store and then can I return it.
• 13:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark, you're in.
• 13:03
  Emeal Zwayne: You're in textiles for a while Textiles.
• 13:07
  Ray Comfort: What stage that I?
• 13:07
  Mark Spence: knew you guys wouldn't know what that was Texas.
• 13:10
  Emeal Zwayne: But no, you were.
• 13:11
  Emeal Zwayne: You were.
• 13:11
  Emeal Zwayne: You used to sell clothes at Millers Outpost Millers Outpost.
• 13:15
  Oscar Navarro: Remember those commercials, mark, remember those commercials around.
• 13:18
  Emeal Zwayne: There was that guy with like the big red mustache.
• 13:20
  Emeal Zwayne: Remember, they do those commercials Millers Outpost.
• 13:23
  Mark Spence: I don't.
• 13:23
  Mark Spence: Is that the Marlboro man?
• 13:26
  Oscar Navarro: It looks like you stole that outfit from Millers Outpost.
• 13:28
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, I got this in England.
• 13:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Marlboro man died of cancer, mark.
• 13:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Is this a?
• 13:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Is this a?
• 13:34
  Ray Comfort: wait what the Marlboro man died of lung cancer.
• 13:36
  Emeal Zwayne: Did he have a cartoon?
• 13:37
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, no, no, the real guy.
• 13:39
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, he really did.
• 13:39
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, he actually smoked.
• 13:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, whatever happened to the camel?
• 13:43
  Oscar Navarro: You get rid of that hump issue.
• 13:45
  Ray Comfort: One hump or two, yeah the hump issue.
• 13:48
  Emeal Zwayne: How'd they come up with that name for those cigarettes?
• 13:50
  Ray Comfort: Camel.
• 13:50
  Ray Comfort: That's a good one.
• 13:51
  Ray Comfort: It's obviously appealing, mark, oh, they're trying to reach Arabs.
• 13:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Is it work?
• 13:57
  Emeal Zwayne: I like to drink the camel cigarettes.
• 13:59
  Emeal Zwayne: I typed in 50 celebrities who were busted for shoplifting or celebrities busted for shoplifting.
• 14:02
  Mark Spence: I'd get someone from Tesla, railroadjacks or a part of the business who's had a mental Well.
• 14:04
  Mark Spence: I typed in celebrities busted for shoplifting and there's a lot.
• 14:08
  Mark Spence: Yeah, is your name on the list?
• 14:10
  Mark Spence: Uh, I'm not there, mark.
• 14:13
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm trying to get this answer, please.
• 14:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, uh, is it a myth that those things that you mentioned they would put on the you know like expensive clothing items?
• 14:21
  Emeal Zwayne: You know that you have to have a tool to take it off with.
• 14:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you can get that at the Swamp Meadow, but no, is it true?
• 14:26
  Emeal Zwayne: There's ink, that's right.
• 14:27
  Emeal Zwayne: If you break those, ink will go on the clothing.
• 14:30
  Mark Spence: Yes, uh, but look at, there's a workaround, so you can get a, you can get a tool.
• 14:33
  Mark Spence: Don't tell them to work around.
• 14:34
  Mark Spence: Yeah, but what?
• 14:37
  Mark Spence: We used to do is we would get a bag and we would line it with aluminum foil and duct tape and nobody could see the aluminum foil or the duct tape.
• 14:46
  Mark Spence: And then you'd put in the items with the things attached to it and you'd walk right out and the alarms would not.
• 14:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark, yeah, it's pretty bad.
• 14:52
  Mark Spence: Seriously, Is that how they would do it?
• 14:54
  Mark Spence: That's.
• 14:54
  Ray Comfort: I told somebody it does.
• 14:56
  Ray Comfort: Well, let's just say don't do it, don't do it.
• 14:58
  Ray Comfort: Why is Ray leaving?
• 14:59
  Ray Comfort: The table going out to the store.
• 15:01
  Ray Comfort: I didn't want to.
• 15:01
  Ray Comfort: From why is he okay?
• 15:01
  Ray Comfort: Because I didn't want to take it with me.
• 15:03
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, Um, but yeah it's.
• 15:07
  Oscar Navarro: it's crazy, you're still anything in your uh heathen days.
• 15:10
  Emeal Zwayne: You know I was.
• 15:11
  Emeal Zwayne: I was a little big thief.
• 15:12
  Emeal Zwayne: But before I share my story, Mark, I have to be honest.
• 15:16
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm surprised you were a thief, because Just for the thrill, but like I said, I'd return.
• 15:20
  Emeal Zwayne: I know, but you, you would strike me as someone who was more cautious, because some of the stuff you refrained from when you were in high school that others indulged in, I just would have figured you.
• 15:31
  Emeal Zwayne: We don't want to get caught or busted or in trouble, but you were you were a big fat.
• 15:34
  Mark Spence: Yeah, I mean, I wasn't a, I wasn't a sexually deviant person, but I, my mind, would One or another ways and maybe be covetous and um, did you, did you ever like envision yourself being like a big, like heist?
• 15:47
  Mark Spence: Yeah, I mean, I wanted to be a con man.
• 15:51
  Ray Comfort: You wanted to be a con man, I wanted to be a con man, con With.
• 15:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Man Uh, we don't know what a man is anymore.
• 15:57
  Emeal Zwayne: That's right, yeah, right.
• 15:59
  Mark Spence: Seriously, mark.
• 15:59
  Mark Spence: Yeah, that's kind of how reason why I got into sleight of hand and magic and things of that nature.
• 16:04
  Emeal Zwayne: No, Like the uh, catch me if you can, guy.
• 16:07
  Emeal Zwayne: That's a based on a true story I know and that blows my mind.
• 16:10
  Emeal Zwayne: What, how in the world that guy actually pulled off not just becoming a doctor Lawyer, but he was the head doctor over all these other doctor pilot he was I think it was a pilot, a lawyer and a doctor, but he actually passed the bar in real life.
• 16:26
  Oscar Navarro: He actually passed.
• 16:27
  Ray Comfort: Seriously yeah.
• 16:27
  Ray Comfort: Who's saying so what?
• 16:30
  Oscar Navarro: is he in jail?
• 16:30
  Oscar Navarro: No, well, he did get caught, but then he got out early on, good whatever, and he started working for the FBI to catch other people.
• 16:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, he was really young when he did all that, and then they realized this guy's a genius and he can become an actor?
• 16:45
  Mark Spence: Did he really Leonardo DiCaprio?
• 16:47
  Mark Spence: That was funny.
• 16:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Um, before I answer you, also right Were, were you ever a thief?
• 16:54
  Ray Comfort: Oh yes, as a kid, yeah, I used to steal apples from my neighbors.
• 16:58
  Emeal Zwayne: That's the only story I've ever heard you tell about your theft days.
• 17:01
  Ray Comfort: No, I used to use an eel spear to spear the apples and pull them back on a piece of string under a hedge Eel spear.
• 17:07
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, I was for spearing eels.
• 17:09
  Ray Comfort: You know what eels are?
• 17:10
  Ray Comfort: Uh-huh, yeah, I used to spear them with an eel spear.
• 17:13
  Ray Comfort: Okay, and I'd spear the apples and pull them back.
• 17:15
  Ray Comfort: And also we we'd build tree houses and raid all the orchards around the era.
• 17:19
  Ray Comfort: We had a map of all the orchards and I just cried last night.
• 17:23
  Ray Comfort: I thought about it.
• 17:24
  Ray Comfort: We used to strip trees.
• 17:25
  Ray Comfort: We'd group of us again, just tree full apples.
• 17:27
  Ray Comfort: We'd just strip the whole tree and I thought somebody's been growing those apples and I did that.
• 17:32
  Ray Comfort: I felt terrible.
• 17:32
  Ray Comfort: Wow, you are a thief right.
• 17:34
  Ray Comfort: And also I did steal an eraser from a store once and I got onto the sidewalk and felt so guilty, how to take it back, and it took more courage to take it back than to steal it.
• 17:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, I was terrible, so, so that I mean not to minimize it.
• 17:47
  Emeal Zwayne: It was stealing, it was, it was wicked and evil, but so it was just the apples, though, and the and those well, just the apples, and the eraser.
• 17:54
  Ray Comfort: The eraser yeah.
• 17:55
  Emeal Zwayne: You never did any other kind of store stealing.
• 17:57
  Ray Comfort: Well, I had a friend we used to go surfing and we stopped once and I went into buy something and he said grab that potato chip bag and rattle it.
• 18:05
  Ray Comfort: I said, well, he wanted to steal something over here and had me rattling the bag so he could steal it Whatever.
• 18:10
  Ray Comfort: I felt terrible about that.
• 18:11
  Mark Spence: Oh, you're kidding, it was a distraction.
• 18:13
  Mark Spence: I think, Is that very common, yeah, yeah, very common Work in tandem.
• 18:16
  Mark Spence: We were taught that in Lost Prevention Somebody would do something over there.
• 18:19
  Mark Spence: They cause a big commotion.
• 18:20
  Mark Spence: You'd even have a couple that would fight.
• 18:21
  Mark Spence: Everybody naturally looks over to that commotion and then he actually happens over there.
• 18:25
  Mark Spence: That's awful.
• 18:26
  Oscar Navarro: You gave me a metaphor for plagiarism.
• 18:28
  Oscar Navarro: What's that which is stealing?
• 18:29
  Oscar Navarro: Because it's like somebody else does all the work to grow the fruit and then you just come along and take it.
• 18:35
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, that's true.
• 18:36
  Oscar Navarro: I felt terrible.
• 18:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, oscar, were you a little tiny thief.
• 18:41
  Oscar Navarro: Um, I had a stint, did you really?
• 18:44
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, so say that again, you won't.
• 18:46
  Oscar Navarro: I had a stint of stealing.
• 18:48
  Oscar Navarro: I actually never, really honestly didn't.
• 18:50
  Ray Comfort: The stint is what you get in your bladder.
• 18:52
  Ray Comfort: When you've got no, you know what I did.
• 18:58
  Oscar Navarro: I worked at a computer place and right around that time we started like they started developing the first iPods.
• 19:06
  Ray Comfort: And you're not going to incriminate yourself, are you?
• 19:08
  Oscar Navarro: It's been long enough, I think.
• 19:09
  Oscar Navarro: They say seven months, right.
• 19:12
  Oscar Navarro: So there was like iPods and stuff, and the way I would do it is like in lost prevention, you call it rocks in a box.
• 19:22
  Oscar Navarro: I was a manager at the time, and so what I would do is I would, someone would buy something and we would, you know, as a form of service, we would like take it to their home in the box.
• 19:31
  Oscar Navarro: And so what I would do is I would take the box that they bought, let's say they bought a new computer.
• 19:35
  Oscar Navarro: I would take it to the back and I'd fill the box up with brand new iPods and then I'd seal it back up and I'd take it and while I was in the car I'd open the box and take out all the iPods and leave them in my car and then deliver the item to people and then I would sell those iPods on eBay.
• 19:51
  Oscar Navarro: You never got busted doing that.
• 19:53
  Oscar Navarro: I got really close, Uh, cause there there was somebody else stealing out of the warehouse as well, and so they launched this investigation.
• 20:01
  Oscar Navarro: They had some guy come in and and do all these interviews and one day he sat down and he was like I know you're one of them, I know you're stealing.
• 20:07
  Oscar Navarro: And I was like I'm not, I'm not, you know.
• 20:08
  Oscar Navarro: And then he ended up catching the guy in the back.
• 20:11
  Oscar Navarro: And he ended up not catching me, Did he?
• 20:13
  Emeal Zwayne: apologize to you.
• 20:13
  Emeal Zwayne: No, it was like it was all right.
• 20:15
  Oscar Navarro: No cause he still thought that I was like it was.
• 20:18
  Oscar Navarro: It was, but I I got away with it.
• 20:20
  Oscar Navarro: I felt I mean, this is, you know, obviously before I was a Christian and I had never I didn't need the money.
• 20:25
  Oscar Navarro: It was kind of the same thing.
• 20:26
  Oscar Navarro: It was like the thrill, I don't know what it was, it was.
• 20:28
  Oscar Navarro: I was doing really well, you know like I was a manager at this place and I was doing good financially, and it was just because I wanted to see if I can outsmart the system.
• 20:39
  Oscar Navarro: I am so thankful, though, cause, had I gotten caught, I was stealing well over the amount that is a prosecution amount it would have been a felony right it would have been a felony and like I mean, how different my life would have been with a felony on my record.
• 20:54
  Oscar Navarro: It's amazing.
• 20:55
  Ray Comfort: We had not be sitting there, we'd be talking to ourselves.
• 20:57
  Ray Comfort: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Emeal Zwayne: I often think about.
• 21:00
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, what would have happened if, if certain things had triggered in my life, you know, and the Lord didn't save me when he did.
• 21:04
  Emeal Zwayne: But yeah, you know, my, my thievery began in Lebanon when I was a little boy.
• 21:10
  Emeal Zwayne: I went into a little, you know, I was a little boy Kind of liquor store type of place in our hit a hookah in my jacket, uh, and I stole a pack of gum and I I rolled it in in the uh, in the waistband of my, my little sweat pants and we went and my mom caught me.
• 21:28
  Emeal Zwayne: She did, yeah, and she took it back.
• 21:31
  Emeal Zwayne: We went and she gave it and man it was.
• 21:34
  Emeal Zwayne: It was one of those days Like basically we, you know, in Lebanon, you just go visiting neighbor to neighbor, you don't like call and ask you, just that's what you do, and I think we would go from place to place and she would tell them what I did, and again and again, and again.
• 21:49
  Emeal Zwayne: I just remember it, just like it haunted me.
• 21:51
  Ray Comfort: She told them with shame.
• 21:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, like what I did and and you know, berated me again in front of them.
• 21:56
  Emeal Zwayne: You know it was just the way they raised kids back then, you know and that was deliberate, to make sure you didn't do it again.
• 22:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Make sure I learned the lesson.
• 22:02
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, you never steal chewing gum.
• 22:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Uh, just chewing gum, only chewing gum.
• 22:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I didn't see cars.
• 22:07
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, all that's a mistake.
• 22:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, one time when I stole a car, there was chewing gum in it.
• 22:12
  Oscar Navarro: So I went back, gave it to the owners and then took off the car.
• 22:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Chained yourself but yeah.
• 22:16
  Emeal Zwayne: But then you know, as as I got deeper into sin, as I grew up and became a teenager, yeah, I started stealing stealing from Chick Sporting Goodalaw.
• 22:24
  Emeal Zwayne: I'd steal from the supermarkets.
• 22:25
  Emeal Zwayne: One time I stole a whole carton of cigarettes and just stuffed it down my pants and walked out the door and I went back and tried to apologize to that supermarket.
• 22:34
  Emeal Zwayne: I said, hey, I stole from you guys when you became a Christian.
• 22:36
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, after I've got saved, and they're like, uh, okay, like they were just perplexed that someone did that, you know.
• 22:42
  Mark Spence: You know that Oshman's Sporting Good Store by your brother's uh uh gas station there in Westminster.
• 22:47
  Mark Spence: I, yeah, when I became a Christian, I returned things that I stole to the?
• 22:52
  Mark Spence: Uh the manager, and it was a pair of ski goggles, uh ski boots and uh ski boots, ski boots, yeah.
• 23:00
  Emeal Zwayne: How did you steal ski?
• 23:01
  Oscar Navarro: boots as you walked out.
• 23:02
  Oscar Navarro: No, I came in wearing these.
• 23:05
  Mark Spence: Well, I was going to steal a bunch of skis literal skis, like six pairs of skis.
• 23:09
  Mark Spence: I started walking out and one of the managers started walking in and you know, but I, but I was.
• 23:14
  Mark Spence: I felt so bad, you know I.
• 23:15
  Mark Spence: I returned it, I, I.
• 23:17
  Mark Spence: I laid him down on the table.
• 23:18
  Mark Spence: I go, I want to return these, and he's like you have a receipt, and I go no, I, I, I don't have a receipt.
• 23:22
  Mark Spence: You don't understand?
• 23:23
  Mark Spence: Oh well, listen, you don't have a receipt, I can't give you cash back.
• 23:25
  Mark Spence: I go, I go, no, like I, just I need to return these.
• 23:27
  Mark Spence: He's all I can do is give you cash, credit or a store store credit my friend that was with me who wasn't a Christian he goes take it, that'll work, and I and.
• 23:36
  Mark Spence: I walked away and that was it.
• 23:38
  Ray Comfort: Uh, I actually you didn't tell him what happened, or you would have gathered it.
• 23:42
  Mark Spence: I at that point, I just walked away.
• 23:44
  Mark Spence: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Oscar Navarro: Here's what's crazy, talking about the way things work, is that when I first met my wife's dad, I had to apologize him because I stole his daughter's heart.
• 23:57
  Mark Spence: A worse theft you know it's hard to explain why theft is wrong to a burglar Because they take things so literal yeah.
• 24:07
  Emeal Zwayne: So guys uh yeah, exodus 2015,.
• 24:11
  Emeal Zwayne: As we're continuing to look at some of these commandments you shall not steal.
• 24:14
  Emeal Zwayne: It's become a massive, massive problem today.
• 24:18
  Emeal Zwayne: You guys know this.
• 24:19
  Emeal Zwayne: I was talking to Rachel about it the other day, recently in Los Angeles, here there was a big mob that went into a Nordstrom's and just absolutely pillaged the whole place.
• 24:30
  Emeal Zwayne: It's happened more than once now.
• 24:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it's.
• 24:32
  Emeal Zwayne: It's become a thing that these big mobs like 50, 100 people they call it mob thieving something like that.
• 24:39
  Emeal Zwayne: And they'll go into.
• 24:40
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, they'll organize it, they'll go into a place and they'll decimate it.
• 24:42
  Emeal Zwayne: They'll just take everything.
• 24:44
  Emeal Zwayne: And the issue now is that is security guards aren't doing anything about it.
• 24:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Stores aren't instructing their security guards not to do anything.
• 24:52
  Emeal Zwayne: Police officers aren't even coming to the calls anymore.
• 24:56
  Ray Comfort: Is it because there's so many people?
• 24:57
  Ray Comfort: It's like a war, I think it's.
• 24:58
  Emeal Zwayne: it's that and it's this whole political correctness thing.
• 25:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I was watching a video of a guy who went behind a counter at a CVS.
• 25:07
  Emeal Zwayne: Like he's behind the counter, the employees are right there with him and he's just putting stuff in a bag, no problem.
• 25:12
  Emeal Zwayne: One of the employees was on the phone with with 911 describing him and telling him he's like man.
• 25:19
  Emeal Zwayne: And then he goes around the counter and he's getting more stuff and then this customer says hey, stop it.
• 25:23
  Emeal Zwayne: And he starts throwing these bananas at a customer.
• 25:25
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray would have loved that.
• 25:28
  Ray Comfort: What a difference, though, because when I was a kid did anything happen from the easiest day as a finished story and then he just left.
• 25:34
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, I needed to hear that.
• 25:35
  Ray Comfort: Thank you, let's go.
• 25:36
  Oscar Navarro: Uh, when I.
• 25:38
  Oscar Navarro: What a difference, though.
• 25:38
  Oscar Navarro: In response, when I was a kid, like I grew up in a pretty rough neighborhood.
• 25:41
  Oscar Navarro: I remember there's this girl down the street, crystal.
• 25:43
  Oscar Navarro: Her uncle was like the nicest guy.
• 25:46
  Oscar Navarro: He would always come outside and talk to us and throw a football round or whatever.
• 25:50
  Oscar Navarro: And one day the burger stand down the street, uh, burglistan burglar stand.
• 25:55
  Oscar Navarro: Uh got robbed and the cops surrounded it and had their guns out.
• 26:01
  Oscar Navarro: And it was him.
• 26:02
  Oscar Navarro: He went in there to rob it with a gun.
• 26:05
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, it was, it was my friend, crystal's uncle and we were all like we.
• 26:08
  Oscar Navarro: We all found out, like we're all in the street.
• 26:10
  Oscar Navarro: We found out.
• 26:11
  Oscar Navarro: They arrested him.
• 26:12
  Oscar Navarro: But like the response that one guy would walk into a burger joint and rob it.
• 26:15
  Oscar Navarro: And now these mobs go into Nordstrom, steal everything and everyone's like yeah, two later.
• 26:20
  Ray Comfort: No, it's unreal.
• 26:20
  Ray Comfort: Is he having an uncle that robbed things?
• 26:22
  Ray Comfort: It was my aunt, my aunt robbed banks, four banks.
• 26:25
  Ray Comfort: She did two years.
• 26:27
  Oscar Navarro: Oh yeah, let's talk about that Right she got two years.
• 26:29
  Emeal Zwayne: Two years in prison, yeah, uh.
• 26:31
  Emeal Zwayne: It's becoming really bad because a lot of these stores are starting to pull out of different areas.
• 26:37
  Emeal Zwayne: I had a store that was robbed Really.
• 26:40
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it was called Leather Gear.
• 26:42
  Ray Comfort: That's when I used to make leather jackets for people and I had, uh, 13 burglaries in one one year.
• 26:48
  Ray Comfort: Oh, and it was because I was between a hotel, a boozer and this halfway house.
• 26:54
  Ray Comfort: That's where I was right in the middle of them and I wrote a note and it said on the door dear burglars, yeah, since I've been here, I've had 12 burglaries and I put a line through it 13.
• 27:05
  Ray Comfort: Because after I put that sign up, I got another one.
• 27:08
  Ray Comfort: The local newspaper um took a picture of it, put it in the paper, so I got a lot of publicity from it and got more burglaries after that?
• 27:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah Right, this is the guy who does nothing.
• 27:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, he does have a luck on his door.
• 27:18
  Emeal Zwayne: You know when, when I was living in Westminster, I told you guys that my family bought a fourplex apartment building.
• 27:25
  Mark Spence: This is going to be a long story.
• 27:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Very, it sounds like it, and we all and we all lived next to each other.
• 27:28
  Emeal Zwayne: So anyway, they kept coming in and breaking in.
• 27:31
  Emeal Zwayne: One night, my uncle.
• 27:32
  Emeal Zwayne: He was lying in bed and he saw someone in his window trying to come in.
• 27:34
  Emeal Zwayne: So he put this note on the window and it said dear thief, you may succeed in getting in, but you will not succeed in getting out it stopped after that.
• 27:43
  Ray Comfort: Oh, that that that'd be a good.
• 27:45
  Ray Comfort: That's clever.
• 27:45
  Ray Comfort: That'd be a good sign to sin around the people.
• 27:48
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, you know I.
• 27:49
  Oscar Navarro: I think it's important to recognize again the way that Jesus comes onto the scene and turns the volume up on things like the tank mammoths, especially theft, and I love the way the Heidelberg Catechism applies theft question 10 110 in the Heidelberg catechism states what does God forbid in the eighth commandment?
• 28:13
  Oscar Navarro: And here's the full answer.
• 28:14
  Oscar Navarro: And just listen to the depth in which these Theologians expanded this to make sure that they were covering their bases.
• 28:21
  Oscar Navarro: God forbids not only those thefts and robberies which are punishable by the magistrate that's what we've been talking about but he comprehends under the name of theft all wicked tricks and devices whereby we design to appropriate to ourselves the goods which belong to our neighbor, whether it be by force, under appearance of right or by ingest weights, ails, measures, fraudulent merchandise, false coins, usury or by any other way.
• 28:53
  Oscar Navarro: Forbidden by God also, all covetedness, all abuse and all waste of his gifts.
• 29:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, you know, uh, man, oscar, that's so good.
• 29:05
  Emeal Zwayne: We just so tend to look at things on the surface, you know, and we apply this commandment to yeah, you just take something that wasn't someone else's, you go into a store and you steal something.
• 29:15
  Emeal Zwayne: But that can happen on so many different fronts and subtle ways like that aren't just weights.
• 29:21
  Ray Comfort: In a store they can just secure a, a penny, a cent under a weight, and so that everything they weigh for the next year just weighs that tiny little bit more.
• 29:31
  Ray Comfort: So they make money from it and, and that says god, unjust weights and abomination to the lord.
• 29:36
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, unjust weights and scales.
• 29:38
  Emeal Zwayne: They're detestable to the lord and and and and it can happen again in so many different ways.
• 29:44
  Emeal Zwayne: It's interesting the coin thing.
• 29:46
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, one of the things I used to do when I was a kid is I would create what we're called slugs.
• 29:50
  Emeal Zwayne: You ever heard of slugs?
• 29:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Did that ever work for you at day it's?
• 29:53
  Emeal Zwayne: It worked at a vending machine at a gas station.
• 29:56
  Emeal Zwayne: So we would take, we would take like a nickel and we would pound it out to the size of a quarter and and you know, and then we and then we would use it in and vending machines and get I never thought that worked.
• 30:07
  Mark Spence: That's interesting.
• 30:09
  Ray Comfort: Oh boy, I'll tell you.
• 30:10
  Ray Comfort: I'll tell you a moment where, like the, unjust weights.
• 30:17
  Oscar Navarro: Really was a conviction for me is when we were selling our first home, the realtor asked about all you know the the things that were going on with the house and we were like there was just a leak.
• 30:27
  Oscar Navarro: We patched it up.
• 30:28
  Oscar Navarro: We think it's patched, but it hasn't rained since and she was like okay, well, if the inspector doesn't find it, it doesn't.
• 30:35
  Oscar Navarro: It didn't happen and I was like no, no, I don't feel right about that, you know I just it didn't sit well with me.
• 30:44
  Oscar Navarro: I incorrectly worked there.
• 30:50
  Oscar Navarro: In a sudden we got to Green do wake up.
• 30:52
  Oscar Navarro: I didn't get quiet.
• 30:53
  Ray Comfort: It was just fantastic.
• 30:56
  Emeal Zwayne: I do not feel like the meetings went wrong.
• 30:59
  Emeal Zwayne: I felt like it was an upset, so I didn't really insist that it was provided as yet, but we could check the haul for sure and plan it out, chart bad quality material and just did a really shoddy job by cutting corners and at the end they were told hey, this is your house.
• 31:17
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, oh, that's good.
• 31:18
  Ray Comfort: I was giving them as a gift.
• 31:19
  Ray Comfort: I think that's in the evidence Bible.
• 31:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, that's right.
• 31:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Maybe that's what I thought, but think of that, you know, it's like wait the evidence Bible on livingwaterscom.
• 31:28
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, and then it relates it back to you.
• 31:30
  Ray Comfort: You build your life cheaply and God says it's yours.
• 31:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know, that's good, that's right.
• 31:34
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, you know.
• 31:34
  Emeal Zwayne: It says in 1 Corinthians 610, we're talking about the list of of sins that exempt someone from the kingdom.
• 31:41
  Emeal Zwayne: It says nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor vile, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
• 31:47
  Emeal Zwayne: And then in Ephesians 4, 28,.
• 31:49
  Emeal Zwayne: It says let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.
• 32:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Isn't it amazing how the Lord flips it on its head, mark right, it's like before you're saved, you're stealing.
• 32:06
  Emeal Zwayne: God says look, don't just not steal, but do what the opposite of stealing is Give away what belongs to you to bless other people.
• 32:15
  Mark Spence: Yeah, you know it's more blessed to give than to receive, so it just keeps on going Right.
• 32:19
  Mark Spence: If, if you can be a giver, you're not going to hold things tight in this planet.
• 32:25
  Mark Spence: It's really that simple, you guys.
• 32:28
  Mark Spence: You know we we talk about when we're sharing the gospel with people and before we do so, we go through the law.
• 32:32
  Mark Spence: When we talk about lying, right, there's white lies, exaggerations, half truths and fibs.
• 32:36
  Mark Spence: Are there other things?
• 32:38
  Mark Spence: Well, how do you break down stealing when you are sharing the gospel with people?
• 32:42
  Mark Spence: How does that?
• 32:45
  Mark Spence: How does that practically come out?
• 32:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, Ray, go ahead.
• 32:48
  Ray Comfort: You're going to save If you've taken anything that belongs to somebody else, irrespective of its value, because people tend to say well, I just took this and I see you open my wallet and take $1 out here as much as a thief, as if you took $10 out.
• 33:01
  Ray Comfort: God's not impressed with the amount or the worth of the thing that you stole and they go.
• 33:07
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, you're right, never thought of that.
• 33:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I love it when you, when you, when they say I just took something as small, and you say, oh, like a diamond, that's my favorite.
• 33:15
  Mark Spence: You know there's people.
• 33:16
  Mark Spence: When people say you know, I've never stolen anything, I said, well, you steal God's oxygen every day without giving him thanks, and Romans one says that that there's a people that are thankless, you know they're not thankful for the food and the oxygen and the people and the sunrise and all the things that are virtuous around them that God has blessed them.
• 33:34
  Mark Spence: You know it rains on the just and the unjust alike, but God also gives blessings on the just and the unjust alike, you know.
• 33:41
  Emeal Zwayne: I think what often surprises me is how surprised people are when and it's happened to all of us when you get the wrong change and you give it back, you say, oh, you gave me, you gave me too much, and it makes the news, yeah, and they're like whoa, seriously, wow, thank you.
• 33:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Like no one does that, you know, kind of thing.
• 33:59
  Emeal Zwayne: And again, it's a joy to do that, isn't it?
• 34:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I love it, yeah.
• 34:03
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, Even if it's I love it when you give me back your change.
• 34:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Even if it's 10 cents or whatever it's just like, and the clarity of conscience, in fact.
• 34:12
  Emeal Zwayne: You know it's funny because there's there have been times when Rachel will go to the store and then she'll discover that something was not she wasn't charged for something on the receipt.
• 34:23
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, I mean just it just so happened.
• 34:24
  Emeal Zwayne: She looked at the receipt and then realized that so recently it happened.
• 34:27
  Emeal Zwayne: She went back to the store and gave them the stuff.
• 34:29
  Emeal Zwayne: That's why I don't look at the receipts.
• 34:31
  Mark Spence: Yeah, I was just going to say do you guys look at receipts or is just is?
• 34:33
  Ray Comfort: that a woman thing, because my wife goes over to the receipt like a, she just cheeks it out.
• 34:38
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, I bet we have.
• 34:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I bet there's a lot we've been charged for that we shouldn't have been or whatever, but but you know it's.
• 34:46
  Emeal Zwayne: It's again amazing how they're just like, they're in disbelief, like what.
• 34:50
  Emeal Zwayne: You brought this back, huh, and they get.
• 34:52
  Emeal Zwayne: They're almost confused for a second.
• 34:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Bring the storm Andrew.
• 34:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah like you're almost going to get in trouble for bringing it back and how do we deal with this?
• 35:00
  Oscar Navarro: You know, I was thinking about, like, why?
• 35:02
  Oscar Navarro: Why do we steal?
• 35:03
  Oscar Navarro: And I think, I think the point that you guys are making is so good, which is that ultimately, we're all guilty of this because our, our framing of ownership is so entrenched in Western culture.
• 35:15
  Oscar Navarro: We think that everything we have is because I own it, I deserve it, it is mine.
• 35:19
  Oscar Navarro: But when you read the scriptures, the things that are in your possession are not yours, they're of the lords.
• 35:25
  Oscar Navarro: And he, he goes as far as saying, like if you treat everything as though you deserve it, you are stealing.
• 35:32
  Oscar Navarro: He, you know, in the scriptures it talks about like when a farmer farms his land, to take only what he needs and to leave the rest to be gleaned for others.
• 35:43
  Oscar Navarro: So it's like it goes so far as to say we think like generosity, is this extension of something wonderful?
• 35:50
  Oscar Navarro: But the scriptures treat generosity as is like a no-duh, like if you're not, you're ultimately stealing what doesn't belong to you.
• 35:58
  Oscar Navarro: And so you think, like, why do we steal?
• 36:00
  Oscar Navarro: Um, I came up with three reasons.
• 36:02
  Oscar Navarro: Uh, we steal because we fear we don't have enough.
• 36:06
  Oscar Navarro: Why does a pastor plagiarize?
• 36:08
  Oscar Navarro: Cause he feels like he doesn't have enough intelligence.
• 36:11
  Oscar Navarro: Why do we, uh, steal?
• 36:13
  Oscar Navarro: Because we feel like we feel insecure, we need security or comfort or we need acceptance, right.
• 36:19
  Oscar Navarro: In other words, we steal because we don't trust the Lord.
• 36:22
  Oscar Navarro: Why do we steal?
• 36:24
  Oscar Navarro: Because we believe that we are owed more than what we currently have?
• 36:27
  Oscar Navarro: In other words, we steal because we are prideful.
• 36:30
  Oscar Navarro: Or the last one I came up with is why do we steal?
• 36:32
  Oscar Navarro: Why, because we envy others for their portion.
• 36:36
  Oscar Navarro: We look and we go man God.
• 36:39
  Oscar Navarro: Why?
• 36:39
  Oscar Navarro: Why don't I have that?
• 36:41
  Oscar Navarro: Why don't I have what he has?
• 36:43
  Oscar Navarro: Why don't I have the reputation, the acceptance, the car, the house, the life that that person has?
• 36:48
  Oscar Navarro: And and ultimately, we envy, which lacks a love for our neighbor.
• 36:54
  Oscar Navarro: No, because if we love your neighbor, we'd be grateful for what they have, right?
• 36:58
  Oscar Navarro: No, and so ultimately, we steal because we lack faith and we that's something like as I put it.
• 37:05
  Oscar Navarro: That way, I come under the conviction of God's law, because as he searches my heart, he will reveal a thief in me.
• 37:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, you know, ray, it really does trace its route back to covetousness, doesn't it?
• 37:20
  Ray Comfort: And to lack of the fear of the Lord.
• 37:21
  Ray Comfort: Because if you believe, the eyes of the Lord is in every place.
• 37:24
  Ray Comfort: Behold and evil and the good.
• 37:25
  Ray Comfort: You wouldn't touch anything that belonged to somebody else.
• 37:28
  Ray Comfort: You wouldn't even think of it, wouldn't covet it.
• 37:30
  Ray Comfort: You get people say, yeah, you shall.
• 37:33
  Ray Comfort: What say?
• 37:34
  Ray Comfort: My wife and 15 kids are all starving to death.
• 37:37
  Ray Comfort: Yes, you know, can I steal something to feed them, bread for them.
• 37:41
  Ray Comfort: And I said, well, why wouldn't you steal?
• 37:42
  Ray Comfort: Just go to local church and they'll help you out, the government, they'll give you food stamps.
• 37:46
  Ray Comfort: You don't have to steal.
• 37:47
  Ray Comfort: And if you do steal, God says you pay back fourfold.
• 37:50
  Ray Comfort: Is it fourfold?
• 37:53
  Oscar Navarro: Seven times Sevenfold Sevenfold.
• 37:55
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, go seven.
• 37:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, eight Sold Nine-ten.
• 38:00
  Mark Spence: John Piper said are you awake and free from the false messages of American merchandising, or has the omnipresent economic lie deceived you so that the only sin you can imagine in relation to money is stealing?
• 38:13
  Mark Spence: You guys don't have a clue what I just said.
• 38:16
  Emeal Zwayne: I do, I do ABRL.
• 38:18
  Oscar Navarro: It's DEPA.
• 38:18
  Oscar Navarro: He just said what I said, but better.
• 38:21
  Mark Spence: Parvres tend to ill-gotten treasures have no lasting value.
• 38:26
  Ray Comfort: Because they bring you that guilt, don't they?
• 38:29
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray, was it you that did that thing where you asked people on the streets?
• 38:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Or was it you, mark?
• 38:34
  Emeal Zwayne: I can't remember one of you where you'd said I'll take the credit If there was a tunnel or something where you could go into your neighbor's house.
• 38:41
  Mark Spence: Oh, that's right, that's in our video, our film.
• 38:43
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it's one of them.
• 38:44
  Ray Comfort: Is it Noah or the other one?
• 38:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Genius, I don't know.
• 38:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Do you remember it, ray?
• 38:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Can you share it?
• 38:48
  Ray Comfort: I think I can.
• 38:49
  Ray Comfort: If you knew you could get into a bank and steal from the bank that's what it was and get a million dollars and they wouldn't know about it because they've got billions in the bank Would you do it Absolutely?
• 38:59
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, would see address.
• 39:02
  Ray Comfort: And then would you take someone's life.
• 39:03
  Ray Comfort: If some wood-o says my husband's a rat, I hate him, I want you to kill him.
• 39:08
  Ray Comfort: I'll give you a million dollars just to drop the sarsenik in his coffee when I'm distracting him, would you do it?
• 39:14
  Ray Comfort: And a number of people said yes, and one guy says I don't know.
• 39:18
  Ray Comfort: I says 10 million, so I'd do it.
• 39:20
  Ray Comfort: Is that tax free?
• 39:21
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it's tax free, isn't?
• 39:23
  Mark Spence: it interesting.
• 39:24
  Oscar Navarro: Oh wait, tax free.
• 39:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Hmm, Stop it, man.
• 39:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Who was it Churchill was asked about?
• 39:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, he asked the lady, or something.
• 39:33
  Emeal Zwayne: There's something about a lady and about like.
• 39:36
  Mark Spence: Oh boy, we can go on.
• 39:37
  Mark Spence: What was it?
• 39:38
  Mark Spence: What was it?
• 39:39
  Mark Spence: A man?
• 39:39
  Mark Spence: Was it Toronto?
• 39:41
  Ray Comfort: I don't know.
• 39:41
  Ray Comfort: I remember that story.
• 39:43
  Ray Comfort: It was a great story.
• 39:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Churchill or Pee Wee Herman.
• 39:46
  Ray Comfort: It was Churchill.
• 39:46
  Emeal Zwayne: No, no, but remember he like some lady, he offered Just stop.
• 39:51
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, I was going to say what he said.
• 39:52
  Ray Comfort: John, I'm not going to lie you point you play elderly.
• 39:55
  Mark Spence: Okay, this is important, maybe somebody else should speak right now, while you gather your thoughts.
• 40:00
  Oscar Navarro: It's like he's going to turn in that guy.
• 40:02
  Oscar Navarro: That just gives you a bunch of random facts that have new stories.
• 40:05
  Oscar Navarro: He was six, one but five 10 when he got back from the war.
• 40:09
  Oscar Navarro: My brain is jello.
• 40:10
  Emeal Zwayne: No, it was just some lady and he talked about giving her money for whatever, and he's.
• 40:14
  Ray Comfort: Oh, that's exactly what that was making, the point that we're just negotiating the price.
• 40:19
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, would you sleep with me?
• 40:20
  Ray Comfort: for a dollar.
• 40:20
  Ray Comfort: What sort of woman do you think I am?
• 40:22
  Ray Comfort: We've already established that, madam.
• 40:24
  Ray Comfort: We're just negotiating the price.
• 40:25
  Mark Spence: Yeah, that's right, Because it was yeah, yeah, would you sleep with me for a million dollars?
• 40:29
  Mark Spence: Yes, oh, would you sleep with me for a dollar?
• 40:32
  Ray Comfort: No, no, it was a big start off a million, then a dollar, and then what sort of yeah, what would you do for a million?
• 40:36
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, of course you do for a dollar.
• 40:37
  Emeal Zwayne: What kind of way?
• 40:38
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's right.
• 40:39
  Oscar Navarro: Remember that one time that was great Easy.
• 40:41
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm so glad you brought it up.
• 40:42
  Mark Spence: This is the way Ray easy started it off.
• 40:44
  Mark Spence: It's like do you remember that one time we did that one thing and that one place with those one people?
• 40:47
  Oscar Navarro: The guy.
• 40:48
  Oscar Navarro: The guy had a face.
• 40:49
  Oscar Navarro: Do you remember?
• 40:50
  Oscar Navarro: The guy had a face.
• 40:50
  Mark Spence: Completely vague.
• 40:51
  Mark Spence: I think there was a guy.
• 40:52
  Mark Spence: Was it a guy?
• 40:53
  Mark Spence: I don't remember, see, that's why.
• 40:54
  Emeal Zwayne: I make up like I call people.
• 40:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Remember Shabang zone by the gun ZZ.
• 40:57
  Emeal Zwayne: I just my brain.
• 40:59
  Emeal Zwayne: It just doesn't.
• 41:00
  Emeal Zwayne: We know the way it used to.
• 41:02
  Ray Comfort: You're done explaining anything easy.
• 41:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Any of this, okay.
• 41:05
  Emeal Zwayne: Look look at the beauty of this, though, when the Lord transforms a heart.
• 41:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Luke 19, 8,.
• 41:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord Look, lord, I give half of my goods to the poor, and if I've taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore fourfold.
• 41:23
  Emeal Zwayne: Isn't that beautiful, so good.
• 41:25
  Emeal Zwayne: What are you guys doing?
• 41:26
  Emeal Zwayne: What are you guys doing?
• 41:27
  Emeal Zwayne: We dropped this cat.
• 41:28
  Mark Spence: I dropped my cat.
• 41:29
  Emeal Zwayne: Squirrel Squirrel.
• 41:31
  Emeal Zwayne: We're just doing a podcast that's going around the world.
• 41:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Let's play with bottle caps.
• 41:35
  Emeal Zwayne: He ain't running like bottle caps.
• 41:36
  Emeal Zwayne: You should be squeezing that chicken that Ken Ham gave you right.
• 41:39
  Emeal Zwayne: No, don't give me ideas.
• 41:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh boy, okay, what verse did?
• 41:43
  Ray Comfort: I read what was it about?
• 41:43
  Ray Comfort: It was Luke.
• 41:44
  Ray Comfort: 19 was a key.
• 41:45
  Ray Comfort: Verse you didn't say which chapter I think of verse two, Luke 19, verse two, I think no, verse 12 or something further on when he said Behold Lord, I'll give half my goods and if I've wronged anyone I'll pay back full fond, because he knew the law.
• 41:57
  Ray Comfort: And it was fruit of repentance.
• 41:59
  Ray Comfort: And that's what we should bring forth fruit of repentance, evidence that we're soundly saved by what we do.
• 42:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, we've done that podcast on Zacchaeus, but how beautiful would it have been, huh, to behold that.
• 42:08
  Ray Comfort: Oh yeah.
• 42:09
  Ray Comfort: To have watched it like the exuberant joy like because that's what God did, the better his voice even changed.
• 42:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I know he probably went from like this deep voice to like.
• 42:20
  Ray Comfort: No it wasn't the thing of that, a voice that reeked with sincerity.
• 42:23
  Ray Comfort: Oh, that's what it was.
• 42:24
  Ray Comfort: He probably was a text collector saying give me your money.
• 42:26
  Ray Comfort: And then he said Behold, Lord, I'll give half my goods to the poor.
• 42:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Right, you need to record the evidence.
• 42:33
  Emeal Zwayne: By Lord, do you whisper?
• 42:34
  Oscar Navarro: it.
• 42:34
  Emeal Zwayne: Behold Lord.
• 42:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but that transformation, like I talked about with me when I wanted to go back, mark, you took back the ski boots Again, again.
• 42:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Please tell me how you stole those.
• 42:48
  Emeal Zwayne: I just walked right out wearing them.
• 42:51
  Emeal Zwayne: No, just on my hand.
• 42:52
  Emeal Zwayne: Just what?
• 42:53
  Emeal Zwayne: No, didn't the alarm go off?
• 42:55
  Emeal Zwayne: No, all right.
• 42:57
  Mark Spence: So there was a manager.
• 42:58
  Mark Spence: I can't bring all this in because it's your brother's gas station, frank's gonna beat you up I didn't take anything from your brother's gas station.
• 43:06
  Mark Spence: I just want to let you know that.
• 43:07
  Ray Comfort: So didn't an alarm go off?
• 43:09
  Ray Comfort: No In your mind.
• 43:10
  Ray Comfort: No In your mind.
• 43:13
  Mark Spence: His conscience was dead.
• 43:14
  Mark Spence: There was a manager that was stealing from that Oshman's sporting goods store.
• 43:19
  Mark Spence: I actually wrote a letter to Oshman's, apologizing to them and telling them but they are out of business when they want.
• 43:26
  Ray Comfort: It was the ski boots.
• 43:29
  Mark Spence: It was the straw that broke the camel's back.
• 43:30
  Mark Spence: But there was a manager that was stealing and my friend that worked at your brother's gas station said hey, there's a manager over there stealing and I think we can get away with stealing if we go over there.
• 43:42
  Mark Spence: I'm gonna call him out.
• 43:43
  Mark Spence: So I went over there and said, hey, I know that you're stealing and you're not gonna say anything when I take something.
• 43:47
  Mark Spence: And manager walked away and he gave it a try.
• 43:51
  Mark Spence: And then we went over there and it was like that Nordstrom smash and grab sort of thing, no way.
• 43:57
  Mark Spence: And I grabbed ahold of and I grabbed ahold of about six pairs of skis, snow skis, and I started to walk out and, as I was walking out, like all of the managers and like execs started walking in and I went.
• 44:08
  Mark Spence: Okay, I went and I put them out on the corner and I walked away and that was it.
• 44:11
  Mark Spence: Wow, it was bad.
• 44:14
  Ray Comfort: Mark, now you got to bring it back to a positive end of me.
• 44:17
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, really, we're just sinners.
• 44:20
  Emeal Zwayne: Man, that's just perplexing.
• 44:23
  Oscar Navarro: Well, here.
• 44:24
  Oscar Navarro: So Diadone Tomfoo, professor at Bethlehem College, says this the apostle Paul warned the church that if robbers do not repent, God will rob them of the pleasure of robbery by withholding the kingdom from them forever.
• 44:38
  Oscar Navarro: Looters will soon greet looming eternal destruction unless they repent, and that is the good news for anybody that has taken what doesn't belong to them is that by repenting and submitting your life to Christ, you get all that you've ever needed, which is Christ.
• 44:59
  Mark Spence: Do you recommend people doing what we did and if you can't return the item, come and clean.
• 45:05
  Mark Spence: I mean, we have innumerable amount of sins in our BC days.
• 45:09
  Mark Spence: How many times and how many people do we go up to to confess?
• 45:13
  Mark Spence: That's a good question.
• 45:15
  Oscar Navarro: I think that you need to be.
• 45:17
  Oscar Navarro: I don't think that.
• 45:17
  Oscar Navarro: I think it's nearly impossible and you can even maybe cause more harm than good if you go through every single thing you did from the day you were born.
• 45:25
  Oscar Navarro: But I think that's something that you need to allow the Holy Spirit to guide you.
• 45:29
  Oscar Navarro: For me, it was the relationship that I had with that girl who ended up leaving the faith.
• 45:34
  Oscar Navarro: I felt that conviction to go and apologize to her parents and to her family and if a listener, you haven't heard that I've talked about that on a previous podcast.
• 45:44
  Oscar Navarro: So listen to all of them and then tell us which one it was.
• 45:47
  Oscar Navarro: But yeah, I think that you need to sort of submit yourself to the way the Spirit leads you, wouldn't you say easy.
• 45:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I agree.
• 45:55
  Emeal Zwayne: I think it's individual and I think the Lord will put his finger on those things by conviction that you need to address.
• 46:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray, why are you looking up to this guy?
• 46:04
  Ray Comfort: I was just trying to think how can I return those apples from 63 years ago?
• 46:07
  Ray Comfort: Well, we're going to New.
• 46:10
  Emeal Zwayne: Zealand.
• 46:10
  Emeal Zwayne: So if you remember, I don't know who they were.
• 46:12
  Emeal Zwayne: They'll be talking for a while.
• 46:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, we'll take a few hundred cases of apples Give them out.
• 46:15
  Mark Spence: Well, here in America the apples are hanging over the fence under your yard.
• 46:19
  Mark Spence: You get access to these?
• 46:20
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, that's fine, that's true.
• 46:21
  Ray Comfort: Are you allowed to pull the branch across?
• 46:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Just keep the whole branch, pull the whole tree over, uproot it.
• 46:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah Well, friends, that's it.
• 46:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Don't steal and be tender of conscience, of thinking through the things that you could steal that may not be physical, like time, like squandering the gifts that God has given you, as Oscar mentioned earlier in what he read.
• 46:49
  Ray Comfort: And withholding tithes.
• 46:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, exactly, not giving to the Lord from the first fruits of your increase and recognize that.
• 46:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Remember, as we talked about before, stealing is wrong because God is not a thief, and so he's given us that command that we might emulate him and walk in his ways.
• 47:06
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, there you have it.
• 47:09
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• 47:16
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• 47:21
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• 47:29
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't think I'm stealing.
• 47:31
  Emeal Zwayne: And yeah, and all that other good stuff.
• 47:36
  Emeal Zwayne: And have a good one, friends, make sure not to eat chutney or guacamole or pumpernickel bread or vener schnitzel.
• 47:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, what, oscar.
• 47:46
  Emeal Zwayne: I just can't believe you don't like guacamole.
• 47:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Don't even say that weird.
• 47:50
  Ray Comfort: That's crazy.
• 47:50
  Ray Comfort: I like avocados.
• 47:51
  Ray Comfort: You're kidding me.
• 47:51
  Ray Comfort: I was excited, that's gross, disgusting guacamole.
• 47:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you for joining us, friends.
• 47:57
  Emeal Zwayne: We'll see you here next time on the Living Waters podcast.
• 48:02
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