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The Late Debate | 3 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Danika DiGiorgio, joined by News 24 contributor Jo Hildebrand
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  Speaker 3: and Liberal Waverley councillor Michelle Stevenson.
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  Speaker 2: Hello to you both. Hi. Happy Thursday.
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  Speaker 4: Happy Thursday. Thursday's the new Friday.
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  Speaker 3: It feels a bit that way, actually.
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  Speaker 2: It's got that vibe around it tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm going on holiday tomorrow, so I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: Michelle's ready to go. I know.
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  Speaker 5: I barely have taken any notes. I'm waiting for Joe
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  Speaker 5: to take over.
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  Speaker 4: I was going to say, I'm going to Melbourne tomorrow
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  Speaker 4: and I'll swap places with anybody. I need a can
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  Speaker 4: of mace. I've been watching Sky. I'm going to have
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  Speaker 4: to be fully armed.
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  Speaker 2: You need a machete.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to have to commando roll down Berkshire. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you will have to.
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  Speaker 3: Look, check out the machete bins for us, would you mind?
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  Speaker 3: And then report back next week when you're back on
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  Speaker 3: the show where we look forward to your updates. Alright,
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  Speaker 3: coming up tonight, teachers are wasting one third of lesson
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  Speaker 3: time dealing with disruptive students who talk back, behave violently
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  Speaker 3: and chat in class. Time for some discipline, I say.
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  Speaker 3: The United Nations tells Britain to build statues of Africans
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  Speaker 3: to atone for slavery. And that's on top of reparations.
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  Speaker 3: And it's Flag Day today. So why was the New
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  Speaker 3: Zealand flag flown at Parliament as well as our own?
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  Speaker 3: But first tonight, ask your doctor or the bloke from radio.
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  Speaker 3: Shop.Kyle Sanderlands is fronting a new campaign for an online
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  Speaker 3: medical service that prescribes weight loss drugs. Now, men's health
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  Speaker 3: platform MOSH has put out this ad prescribing the medication
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  Speaker 3: to users after they fill out an online questionnaire and
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  Speaker 3: are screened by a doctor.
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  Speaker 1: I've always found losing weight difficult, but now there's MOSH.
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  Speaker 1: Not just doctors, but dieticians, health coaches, the whole program.
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  Speaker 1: I could eat well, live happier and be less offensive. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe two out of the three. Maybe, just maybe, I
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  Speaker 1: could finally become a regular size like everyone else. So
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  Speaker 1: don't get Kyle. Get mosh.com.au. This is a paid partnership,
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  Speaker 1: not a mosh customer.
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  Speaker 4: Now, Sanderlands was paid.
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  Speaker 2: I like that little ending there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sanderlands was paid an undisclosed amount to front this campaign
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  Speaker 3: despite not actually using any weight loss medication himself. Dr
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  Speaker 3: Nick Williams, who's a bariatric and upper GI surgeon, he's
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  Speaker 3: raised concerns saying young girls and young boys are very
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  Speaker 3: impressionable to advertisements. The idea of trivialising it to say
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  Speaker 3: you can just get an online script and then away
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  Speaker 3: you go is a terrible idea. Well, who would have
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  Speaker 3: thought the Ozempic era was missing Kyle Sanderlands? But the
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  Speaker 3: question is, should celebrities be promoting weight loss drugs? And
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that they should, personally.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, come on.
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  Speaker 3: I do not think that they should be out there
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  Speaker 3: promoting these GLP-1 drugs. I think that this is a
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  Speaker 3: discussion that you have in private with your own doctor
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  Speaker 3: about your own self. Now, I did read up on
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  Speaker 3: this mosh. And so basically a medical doctor reviews each patient,
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  Speaker 3: looks at their history, looks at their.
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  Speaker 4: Do they really, though?
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  Speaker 2: Well, apparently they give you a medical screening. They do.
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  Speaker 3: And then they give you like a.
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  Speaker 4: Is the medical test click all the squares with buses
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  Speaker 4: in them?
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  Speaker 3: But that's what I've probably... But that's my concern here, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: This is my concern here. And I think we're in
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  Speaker 3: the era of Aus and Pic where people are just
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  Speaker 3: being prescribed drugs willy-nilly. I know people who are my age,
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  Speaker 3: who are young and healthy, who have gone to their
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  Speaker 3: doctor and have been given a jab. And I can
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  Speaker 3: tell you, they do not need a jab. It should
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  Speaker 3: be left for people who are.
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  Speaker 4: So the doctors are the ones who are irresponsible.
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  Speaker 3: Type 2 diabetes, sorry. You don't need it. And I
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  Speaker 3: just don't think it is healthy. And I'm a big
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  Speaker 3: fan of Kyle Sanderlands. I don't think it's healthy or
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  Speaker 3: smart to have celebrities out there promoting him.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, look, I completely disagree. I'm a big fan of
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  Speaker 5: the GLP-1. Most of my friends are on it. I
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  Speaker 5: know heaps of people who have lost weight on it.
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  Speaker 5: People who are in perimenopausal, menopausal women who just couldn't
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  Speaker 5: shift weight.
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  Speaker 2: Their mental health was suffering.
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  Speaker 5: They went and they got on GLP-1s and it's really
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  Speaker 5: helped their state of mind. Look, at the end of
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  Speaker 5: the day, this is going to save the government lots
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  Speaker 5: of money because we're going to lessen the instances of
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  Speaker 5: people who are overweight, obese, heart conditions. At the end
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  Speaker 5: of the day, this makes absolute sense. GLP-1s should be
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  Speaker 5: part of the medical system.
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  Speaker 2: Profession.
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  Speaker 5: And look, when you say it should be something that
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  Speaker 5: you discuss in private, well, I'm sorry, have you been
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  Speaker 5: to Sydney's East?
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's discussing it at a party. But seriously, do we
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  Speaker 2: want to?
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  Speaker 4: I honestly think there is, I think often, and I
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  Speaker 4: love doctors and they're great and we've got a great doctor,
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  Speaker 4: but doctors are always protecting their turf. It is in
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  Speaker 4: their self-interest. to make anything good accessible only through them
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  Speaker 4: because that means they are more in demand and it
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  Speaker 4: means that they can generate more visits and more money.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm sure they're also doing it out of the
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  Speaker 4: goodness of their own hearts. I don't want to be
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  Speaker 4: found dead in a gutter somewhere and a doctor say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: that's that guy from Sky News. Oh, News 24. Sorry,
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  Speaker 4: that's not News 24, my mistake. That's two reasons why
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  Speaker 4: we're killed. um so um and i think i'm with
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  Speaker 4: you i think it i've never had a problem with
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  Speaker 4: weight obviously i mean i was just born this way
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  Speaker 4: thank you jesus.
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  Speaker 2: You're lucky for some but but.
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  Speaker 4: I think i know plenty of people who for whom
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  Speaker 4: this has been the only thing that has worked it
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  Speaker 4: has improved their um self-esteem no end it has made
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  Speaker 4: them healthier and able to do other exercise that they
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  Speaker 4: weren't able to do or comfortable doing beforehand. Yes, my
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  Speaker 4: wife yells at me a little bit more, but, you know,
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  Speaker 4: that's a small.
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  Speaker 2: Price to pay. But are these people obese or overweight,
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  Speaker 2: do you mind me asking?
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  Speaker 3: Or are these people.
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  Speaker 4: These people who are overweight.
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  Speaker 3: Right, but see, I don't have a problem... But this
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  Speaker 3: is not the point. But I just don't think it
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  Speaker 3: should be pushed by celebrities.
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  Speaker 4: But, again, it's, you know, they didn't necessarily have type
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  Speaker 4: 2 diabetes. No, exactly. They weren't necessarily, you know, obese
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  Speaker 4: or morbidly obese.
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  Speaker 3: But do you think it's all right to be pushed
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  Speaker 3: by celebrities? Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And it's so, obviously, it's just a live read. Anyone
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  Speaker 4: who's worked in radio, people read out ads.
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  Speaker 2: I do live reads all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But that.
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  Speaker 3: But again, and I do agree with what the doctor
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  Speaker 3: said in that quote that I read out, that young
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  Speaker 3: people are impressionable. And again, honestly, I know so many
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  Speaker 3: people who are taking a jab. But don't you think
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  Speaker 3: that that is a problem, that young people who are
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  Speaker 3: fit and healthy are on these jabs to begin with?
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  Speaker 4: I reckon that is.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think.
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  Speaker 4: Out of all the terrible things that are.
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  Speaker 2: On the internet.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we don't know the long-term consequences.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know the long.
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  Speaker 3: We still do not know the long-term harm. No, we don't,
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  Speaker 3: because Oz and Pic and Monjaro, they haven't been around
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  Speaker 3: long enough. No, they have, because they've been used for diabetes. OK, what,
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  Speaker 3: in the last five years or so? No, they've actually
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  Speaker 3: gone through the rigorous testing.
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  Speaker 5: So they have been allowed to be out in the
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  Speaker 5: world and used in the deemed safe.
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  Speaker 3: So just to clarify this, you two both think it
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  Speaker 3: is OK for a young person who is fit and healthy...
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  Speaker 3: to be on the weight loss drugs just because.
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  Speaker 4: They want to lose a couple more kilos. They wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: be interested in it. That's OK with both of you.
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  Speaker 4: No one who looks like, you know, Mr Olympia.
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  Speaker 3: Is going to... I can tell you I know people
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  Speaker 3: who are fit and healthy who are on it.
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  Speaker 4: Same.
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  Speaker 2: As fit as me? Well, I... Define fit.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what your definition of fit and healthy is.
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  Speaker 2: You are very.
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  Speaker 4: I have a lot of problems, but one of them
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  Speaker 4: is not.
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  Speaker 5: But can I also say another interesting thing about these
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  Speaker 5: GLP-1s is they inhibit the dopamine hit. which is really
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  Speaker 5: good for other things like it curbs alcohol cravings, it
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  Speaker 5: curbs drug cravings, even in some instances has stopped people
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  Speaker 5: from gambling.
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  Speaker 2: So there's other reasons why.
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  Speaker 3: You should use it. So people just become dependent on
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  Speaker 3: these drugs for the rest of their life.
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  Speaker 2: No, no.
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  Speaker 3: They're not educating themselves.
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  Speaker 2: You wean yourself off them.
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  Speaker 3: So what happens when you come off them but you're
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  Speaker 3: not prepared to go back into the world so you
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  Speaker 3: start eating yourself silly again or start not exercising?
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  Speaker 4: It's much easier to keep weight off than it is
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  Speaker 4: to lose it in the first place.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, but also the thing is with places like MOSH,
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  Speaker 5: which is kind of similar probably to another one called Juniper,
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  Speaker 5: what they do is they do a holistic cell. So
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  Speaker 5: you do have the GLP-1, but you're also monitored by
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  Speaker 5: a doctor and then they give you food that you
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  Speaker 5: should be eating and they kind of monitor you and
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  Speaker 5: tell you what exercise to take.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a whole holistic method of approach.
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  Speaker 3: I think that losing weight is easier than keeping it
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  Speaker 3: off personally.
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  Speaker 4: I say that.
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  Speaker 2: Losing weight is not easier. I think losing weight is easier.
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  Speaker 3: And then when you go into like a maintenance program,
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  Speaker 3: that is the hardest part because that's when.
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  Speaker 2: It can fall apart. Losing weight is not easy.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I think I despair that young fit
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  Speaker 3: people are going on these weight loss drugs. You despair.
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  Speaker 2: I really, I know I do.
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  Speaker 4: Surely if anyone was a prime candidate for this drug,
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  Speaker 4: it would be Kyle Sanderland. Is this what I said?
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  Speaker 4: Who is being paid to promote it, would get it
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  Speaker 4: for free, but has still decided not to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, according to the article, he's told, I think it
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  Speaker 3: was in News Corp papers, that he has lost, I think,
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  Speaker 3: 18 kilos, but he has not done it. And you
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  Speaker 3: know what? If Kyle Sanderlands has lost 18 kilos naturally,
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  Speaker 3: there you go, it wasn't the curio matter.
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  Speaker 4: Then take his advice on weight loss.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I do on a jab, but not in
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  Speaker 3: a jab.
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  Speaker 2: How was he chosen?
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  Speaker 4: You know, good food and exercise isn't for everybody.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway, speaking of disruptive, disruptive students are apparently robbing teachers
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  Speaker 5: of 12 weeks of lessons each year.
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  Speaker 2: That's according to a UK survey.
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  Speaker 5: So what they've found is like teachers' time is being
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  Speaker 5: wasted a third of their lesson time with students who
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  Speaker 5: talk back and with students who also are ending up
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  Speaker 5: harming their own wellbeing. So disruptive students are losing almost
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  Speaker 5: one third of lesson time, means teachers have substantially less
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  Speaker 5: time to teach and less time for students to learn. Now,
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  Speaker 5: the most common problems are not necessarily extreme incidents. Routine
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  Speaker 5: misbehaviour such as talking and calling out can cumulatively, I
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  Speaker 5: can't even say the word tonight, consume significant teaching time.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell I'm in Bali already, guys.
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  Speaker 5: So basically what they want to do is they want
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  Speaker 5: to bring in a behaviour curriculum to kind of teach
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  Speaker 5: these kids how to listen and how to behave. Now,
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  Speaker 5: I think there are issues like this that are happening
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  Speaker 5: in schools in Australia. I have seen it firsthand. There
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  Speaker 5: are children becoming more and more disruptive. The teachers are
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  Speaker 5: finding it harder and harder to control and lesson time
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  Speaker 5: is actually really falling by the wayside. Do you think
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  Speaker 5: something like this should be brought into Australian school systems,
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  Speaker 5: like a behaviour curriculum?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they're already doing... So, this is actually... an
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  Speaker 4: even more serious problem than it sounds. I mean, this
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  Speaker 4: is bad enough, but it's an even more serious problem
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  Speaker 4: than it sounds because what is happening is teachers are
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  Speaker 4: going into classrooms unequipped to be able to deal with
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  Speaker 4: disruption and to apply discipline, often without enough prac class
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  Speaker 4: time so enough literal just practice in the class classroom
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  Speaker 4: and knowing what um what to expect and how to
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  Speaker 4: deal with it and that means that they lose control
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  Speaker 4: of the kids that means they find the job really
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  Speaker 4: stressful unrewarding obviously you feel like you're not being respected
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  Speaker 4: or taken seriously that means you burn out that means
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  Speaker 4: you'll leave the profession after just a few years and
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  Speaker 4: there was something like a ridiculous burnout rate i think
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  Speaker 4: of It's better now, but in the midst of the
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  Speaker 4: crisis a few years ago, I did a big campaign
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  Speaker 4: on this, something like 50% of teachers were leaving after
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  Speaker 4: five years. No, it's an issue.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely huge.
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  Speaker 5: And, like, I'm seeing it at schools here, but, Danica,
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  Speaker 5: do you think this is a parent problem?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: I think that it all starts at home. And if
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  Speaker 3: you've got a kid who's disruptive, talking back and a
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  Speaker 3: complete menace, well, my question would be what on earth
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  Speaker 3: are mum and dad doing it at home? Where are
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  Speaker 3: they getting this behaviour from and why are they acting out? Secondly,
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  Speaker 3: I was reading earlier that there's about principals, about 58%
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  Speaker 3: of principals in this country.
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  Speaker 2: Say that they've got a teacher shortage. Yes. Do you
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  Speaker 2: blame them?
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  Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, because they're at that burnout.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember a.
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  Speaker 3: Couple of years ago they ran an ad campaign to
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  Speaker 3: try and bring principals out of retirement?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I know. Why on earth would you bother when
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  Speaker 2: you've got kids like this?
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  Speaker 3: This actually equates to 12 weeks, 12 weeks of disruptions
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  Speaker 3: per year. And I was reading some of the statistics.
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  Speaker 3: So one in three female teachers compared to one in
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  Speaker 3: five male teachers reported that students answered back, challenged instructions
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  Speaker 3: in most of their classes. One quarter of teachers said
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  Speaker 3: students arrived late or didn't even rock up to class
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  Speaker 3: at all. Now, I would ask, where is the discipline? Now,
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  Speaker 3: I take your point, what you said, Jo, but I
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  Speaker 3: think that I would like to know, out of all
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  Speaker 3: these schools that have been surveyed, how many are really
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  Speaker 3: cracking down and showing some discipline.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm talking, you can suspend.
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  Speaker 3: If you've got a brat of a kid talking back,
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  Speaker 3: get rid of them.
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  Speaker 5: I can even say at my son's school, it's become
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  Speaker 5: such an issue that the teachers are mentioning that it's
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  Speaker 5: a particularly hard time or his class is a particularly
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  Speaker 5: hard class. So, you know, we're even getting told that
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  Speaker 5: there are challenges and that, you know, they're trying to
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  Speaker 5: get over it. And I've got girlfriends who have children
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  Speaker 5: in a public school locally and they're.
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  Speaker 2: Having issues as well. Like, kids are.
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  Speaker 5: Vaping in classrooms. So it's becoming a real issue. And
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  Speaker 5: I think what's happened is teachers have been left with
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  Speaker 5: no recourse. They feel they don't... they're not in a
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  Speaker 5: position to be able to take a hard-line stance because
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  Speaker 5: we've mollycoddled and we've said, you know, there is no
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  Speaker 5: wrong answer and, you know, you're not wrong for doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Maths is racist.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it's really set them up for failure.
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  Speaker 4: I think that is true. I think you have... There
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  Speaker 4: is a problem, of course, if you have kids not
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  Speaker 4: actually going to school, so parents not making sure that
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  Speaker 4: their kids are actually rocking up, making sure they're rocking
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  Speaker 4: up with their lunch, which is... can be a problem
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  Speaker 4: as well. And also when the kids do get in trouble,
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  Speaker 4: the parents have to, you have to be unequivocal and
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  Speaker 4: always taking the teacher's side, no matter what. The kid
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  Speaker 4: will always say, it wasn't my fault, I didn't do anything, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 4: So it doesn't matter. You have to do what the
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  Speaker 4: teacher says. If you've got a parent and... I think
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  Speaker 4: we all know there are certain types of parents who
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  Speaker 4: like to kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 5: There are so many parents that get involved when they
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  Speaker 5: shouldn't get involved.
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  Speaker 4: She said, what to you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Or even, like, even if your son or your child
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  Speaker 5: doesn't get the grades or the grade that was expected,
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  Speaker 5: they will question the teacher on it. So I think,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we need to stay out of the schools.
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  Speaker 5: We need to let teachers do their thing. But also,
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  Speaker 5: as parents, we need to take a little bit of responsibility.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, teachers should be like gods.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, also in the classroom, here's a little suggestion. Well,
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  Speaker 4: maybe not in the classroom if Mamdani doesn't get his way,
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  Speaker 4: but this is a little suggestion from everybody's favourite commie mayor,
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  Speaker 4: Zoran Mamdani, the mayor of New York, self-described socialist. He
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: has issued an edict, because socialist leaders can do that,
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: he's just issued an edict saying there will be no
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: AI for students in the eighth grade. So there will
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: be no... 8I, banned up to all the way to
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: the eighth grade. So that's, well, that's the eighth grade.
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: That's year eight here, obviously.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: Clues in the name in case anyone was struggling to
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: follow at home. A complete ban of all student use
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: of AI. I am going to say something.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: I never thought I would ever say in my entire life.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: I'm sure I'm never going to say it again. I
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: agree with Zoran Ramdhani. Let's have a listen to him.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: So beginning this school year, we will implement a one-year
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: moratorium on generative AI for students in 2K through eighth grade.
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, now I just want to slap him again. But anyway,
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: but I think this is actually true. Now, I think
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: there should be AI in schools. And I think one
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: of the things that AI could actually be a force
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: for good for is getting rid of all the horrendous
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: paperwork that teachers have to do so that they can
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: just focus on teaching, like all these risk assessments for
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: going on an excursion to, you know, in case a
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: kid gets shredded on an escalator at the supermarket on
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: the way to the bus stop, you know, like just
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: the dumb, horrible bureaucratic box sticking they have to do.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: But teachers, anyone who's got kids will tell you, they
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: just think AI is God. They won't believe what you
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: tell them until they verify it with AI. It's absolutely terrifying.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: and it's us against the machines and we need to
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: destroy the robots and rule this planet once more.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: No, I totally disagree. I disagree with you. Look, firstly,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: what really bothers me about Mamdani is.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Everything.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Everything.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Everything but this.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Everything grinds my gears about, as Jo said, this commie bloke.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: So he is... His list of priorities. So he is
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: banning AI in schools, yet in New York City law,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: a child can change their gender on their birth certificate,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: including non-binary and X... With the tick of approval from
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: a Guardian.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: But not using AI.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. This is what I mean by the priorities. No,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I actually think that AI is a really wonderful tool
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: and I think whether we like it or not, it
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: is with us and we have to use it. Now,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: a few things I'll say about it. Firstly, I think
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: it's a great research tool. I believe it is far
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: better than Google from my perspective and I like using it.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: For quick research.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: If I've got to look up a topic, if I
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: want to compare a couple of different things, a couple
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: of different articles, you can plug it quickly into AI
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: and it can give you that information. However, it is
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: up to you as the individual to have the personal
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: responsibility to then take that information, do your own research
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: and write your own essay or put it together however
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: you want to do. So I think whether we like
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: it or not, it is with us.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: It's in the workforce.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: It's in our day-by-day lives. and therefore it is in
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: the classroom, and I think it could be a good
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: tool to accompany a child in their learning along with
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: their own personal responsibility and their own techniques to learn
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: outside of the classroom.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Did Chachapiti tell you to say that?
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: No. Sounds like you are the machine.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: That was not a chat daddy response.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: No, they're going to use this for food. They're going
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: to use this for food.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: No.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: No, I want to disagree because I have a child
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: and I know how pervasive AI is in the classroom
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: and they are forming neural pathways. This is a very
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: important time in their lives. They need to be able
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: to put thoughts together and understand how to structure everything.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: So I think this is really, really a good idea.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: And the words are like, I almost want to choke
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: when I say that I agree with him.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: But this is a really good idea.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: And I think we should be working harder to do this.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: They have high school or year 11, year 12 to
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: kind of get involved in AI. But what they should
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: be doing, they should be reading science.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: They should be writing.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: They should be learning all the basics themselves. They should
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: be formulating their own sentences. They should be doing their
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: own research. They should be putting pen to paper. They
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: should be understanding how to do that. They should not
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: be letting AI do this. We are going to turn
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: into a whole world that is consumed and just not
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: even able to think for themselves.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: But I'm not saying to use AI in every aspect
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: of the classroom. I'm saying to use it as a tool,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: as a tool in conjunction. When I was at school,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: we got given laptops when I was in Year 5.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: So what's that? At the age of 10. Yeah.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Right? And I suspect that there are.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: A lot of... But the laptop is not generating the information.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: No.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: You can use AI as a Google instead of Google.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Back when I was at school, we used to do
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Ask Jeeves. Remember the Ask Jeeves?
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: This is the thing. The reason why you find AI...
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: so much easier to use than Google is because AI
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: synthesizes all the information that your brain used to do.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: It's because AI, you no longer have to read a
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: number of different sources consider which are more credible, which
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: are not plausible, and then compare them to each other
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: and come to your own conclusion. AI has already done that.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Why would I want to go to different.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Google pages and go, you know, researching the best hairspray?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Which one is.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Because it helps you think critically.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: It's taken too much time. I just want a graph
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: to tell me which one is the best. But then
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: what are you doing with that time? You've got to
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: use that time scrolling on Instagram.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: It's not like we're like... If.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: You're doing that as a... a child, though, this is
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: the thing, you are not developing that ability to think critically. And, again,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: we talk about living in an era of fake news
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: or people just buying anything. If you have an AI,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: an algorithm that is completely conditioning children and moulding their
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: minds that are still physically developing, their brains that are
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: still physically developing to just instantly absorb uncritically anything that
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: is generated by AI, which is what.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: It basically is.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: But again, isn't that then personal responsibility that you've got
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: to take that information and do your own research?
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Do you remember what it was like to be a kid?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: You would look for any shortcut possible when you were
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: at school.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: You would try and sneak the answers in. You cannot
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: trust kids to actually just use AI when they think
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: they should, not when they should be doing it.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: What about teachers?
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: Teachers should be using it to help them on the
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: back end. It will free up a lot of time
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: so they can actually teach.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what? We agree on that. AI is
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: with us. AI is with us, you know?
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, and that's terrible. And we need to harness it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: We need to put it in its place. Just because
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: it's with us doesn't mean we have to make it emperor.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And please and thank you.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I look forward to seeing Joe Hildebrand versus a chat GP.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Me and Zoran Mamdani against the world.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is a revelation tonight on The Lab.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I really want to see that.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: I think the word you look for is revolution.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: You and your comrade Zoran Mamdani.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Mark the date. September, what is it? September 5th. It's
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: the only time. Oh, good God.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: All right, well, look, let's change pace. Let's move to
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: a more serious topic. Of course, there have been a
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: spate of fatal shark attacks and shark attacks in general
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: in Australia, and there is one council in Sydney's eastern
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: suburbs that are doing something to try and mitigate the risks. Now,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: this is the Vaucluse, at Shark Beach, rather, in Vaucluse.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: There is going to be a year-round shark net trial.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: And it's something that the Liberal leader, Kelly Sloan, has
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: been pushing for after she gathered more than 600 signatures
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: in a petition.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: I have some great news for the community. And I
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: just want to thank everyone who signed my petition. 650
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: of you to have permanent nets installed here. at Nielsen
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Park at Shark Beach. Well, we've had great news from
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: the Minister. The Minister for Environment has confirmed there will
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: be a trial of a permanent shark net here. So
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: they're already putting in the trial netting to see how
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: it would stand some of the swells.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Look, I think this is a great idea. Clearly councils
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: and governments in general are scrambling to try and find
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: solutions given the spate of attacks that have occurred. I
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: am not a fan of shark culls. I have made
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: this very clear on this program.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: You're soft.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I do not support shark culls at all. I am
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: all for these sorts of shark mitigation methods. So I
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: say good on the Liberal Party for pushing this at
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: the beach and I would hope to see more of
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: this because it does generally keep people safe.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: And look, I know that councillors and Willara Council were
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: always pushing for this.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: They're my neighbours and they did a really good job.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Look, at the end of the day, a 12-year-old boy
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: lost his life literally just right near where that shark
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: net is. So there is no doubt that this needed
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: to go up. We have too many bull sharks in
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Sydney Harbour and nothing is done. You say you're against culling.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: We need to cull them. They are bottom feeders. They
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: do not care. We have too many of them. We
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: can use them as food. We used to use them
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: as food all the time.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: We can string them up as a lesson for the others.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: We saw a great white shark attack when someone was
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: swimming between the flags at Coogee Beach. It was terrible.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: We had to close Bondi Beach down for three days.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: People lost trade because there was a great white around
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: and not leaving the area. I think more needs to
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: be done. Look, at the end of the day, what
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: is the government doing? They're machine-gunning Brumbies, but we cannot
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: kill a shark.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. We should be killing sharks and we should
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: be culling them.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Or at the very least, sick the sharks on the Brumbies.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: What? That would solve everyone's problem.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: That would be a rugby league fixture. You could have...
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I think... Oh, no, that would cross the codes. It
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: wouldn't work.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: No, I know you hate sharks just as much as
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: I absolutely hate sharks. I think the only good shark
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: is a dead shark, and I applaud Kelly Sloan for
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: this measure. I don't know why it's still... Well, I
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: don't know why it's taken this long in the first
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: place and why it's still a trial. Like, what are
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: the results going to be? Oh, no, a shark got in. Oh, well,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: there goes... Just do it forever. Do it forever. But
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: doesn't one of her... Further up in the northern beaches,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: there was a Liberal councillor, I think, or MP, I'm
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: not sure, who was complaining about the shark nets being
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: put back in for the beginning of the summer season.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe Central Coast.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: She said it would hurt some... stupid seal that she's adopted.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: No-one else has seals. Sharks!
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: There is a difference between that sharknet, though, and the
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: sharknets that go in the ocean.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I know, that it's completely enclosed.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Because that one is enclosed.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: And, like, a lot of young kids use it, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: we do know that it is bull shark-heavy in that area.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: But the sharknets, they do offer a different questioning. I
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: think we should be using drumlines, I think we should
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: be using different methods, and also culling them.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: So, you oppose the sharknets, which are just meant to
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: interrupt their sort of feeding pattern, migratory pattern. They don't
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: really do much. They make me feel better. You know
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: that they're... I know there's gravity in them, but it
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: disrupts their feeling patterns. It disrupts their migration patterns. There's
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: only been one fatal in the 100 years that they've
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: been there.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: What about the... Well, yeah, but, like... Just the one,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: maybe two. Close ones now. I'm sorry, but, like.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Do everything. I'm like belt and braces.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Drumlines, drumlines.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Everything.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: We need John Lyons. I just, I think, let's trial these.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Let's see how they go. I don't think that we
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: should be rushing to go and kill sharks. I've said
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: this before on this show. We all take risks in
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: our day-by-day life that when you get in the water,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: you take a risk. What? That you are going to be,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: you could be killed by a shark. It's as simple
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: as that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Not if we kill them all.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Not if we kill them first.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: You don't need to. We have very good shark mitigation processes.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: No, we don't. We do.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: We've got tracking devices. We've got drones. Yeah, but the... Look,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I'm not denying that the facts are that there have
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: been a spate of attacks this year. We have seen it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: We have seen it very highly publicised.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Because there's too many sharks.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: We've seen it highly publicised. But this is why I
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: applaud measures like this, because it actually does keep people safe.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: You can go out in a certain amount of water
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: that you know that the net is going to be
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: enclosed around you, and I think this is a.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Very, very good solution to it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Let's see how the year pans out.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: OK, well, I know here's something that's really going to
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: trigger you, Danica.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, here we go? Go on. So the UN, experts.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: From the UN have told Britain that they should be
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: building statues of Africans to atone for slavery. Black statues matter.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Stop it. Now, look, I find this really interesting. This
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: is about remembering victims, not punishing the Britons. Now, the
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: public spaces, I think, already do commemorate powerful people. So
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: to me, it makes sense. It's a part of history.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: Why not commemorate it? You need to really understand all
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: of your history if you're going to understand a little
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: bit of history. So I think this is actually not
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: a bad idea, but I can already see you eye
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: rolling to the left of me.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Already I'm fired up.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: So let's just get this straight. The United Nations, which
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: has proven itself time and time again to be an
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: absolute useless body run by a bunch of useless idiots,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: wants Britain to.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Do you support culling the United Nations?
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, I do support a UN cull.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: That is a cull I am all for. What about next?
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Basically, Britain gets the finger pointed at them when they
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: actually help to end the slave trade. So Britain played
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: a huge role. in abolishing the transatlantic slave trade, and that.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Was about 200 years ago. It's for other nations as well.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: So not even... And I was listening to Patrick Christie's
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: from GB News on The Bolt Report tonight, hosted by
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: James McPherson, and he said that they already have multiple
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: statues across Britain of Africans. Nelson Mandela was one of them,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: and he mentioned it. So it's not like there is
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: a shortage of African statues already in Britain, but on
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: top of this, the UN also wants reparations.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: So what does it always come down to?
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Money.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: It's always money, time and time again. And at a
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: time as well when we are seeing our statues of our,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: you know, prominent people in our history, white people, their
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: statues are being torn down. The left, we don't hear
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: a peep from the left. They celebrate. Anyone who's white,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: if you've got a statue, they'll tear you down. But, no,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: we've got to put up statues of Africans for vibes
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: and feels because it just makes.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Us feel better.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: No, but I think it's all about recognising that they
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: had a place in history as well, and I think
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: that that is worth actually.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: But Britain played a role in abolishing.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I understand that, but I.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: They should have a statue of a black guy saying,'' Thanks, Britain.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Well, what about statues of white men, you know, who
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: were sailing.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: At that time?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: You know, white people who played a big role in
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the abolishment of the trans.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there'd be plenty of statues of Wilberforce around.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're all there.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: But, look, I don't really necessarily have a problem with
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: this at all. I think if someone's done something good
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: enough to get a statue, I think if it's just
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: sort of tokenistic, that kind of.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Or if it's Dan Andrews.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Or Stan Andrews. I mean, I think the whole idea
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: of reparations is ridiculous because what you should be doing
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: is focusing on where there is the most disadvantage. So
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: if you've got black communities that are disadvantaged, either here
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: or in the US or whatever, fix that disadvantage, fix
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: that poverty, get them educated, get them into the workforce,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: do what you do with any other cohort. We know
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: it works. Same with... Indigenous Australians here and bring up,
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: you know, close that gap. You don't get reparations just
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: because of your lineage. We are not, you know, it's
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: not a reverse kind of monarchical line of succession where
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: just because you can prove that on Ancestry.com that this happened,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: even if you're doing perfectly well for yourself, you can
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: still say, oh, no, you have to give me all
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: this money because of what you did one or 200
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: years ago. But, again, it is just the constant, I mean,
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: are they going this hard after Brazil? Does Brazil have
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: to do it?
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: They did say.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: other slave trading nations as well. They are making the
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: recommendations to other slave trading nations.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: But, like, this is where, you.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Know, symbolic recognition would actually have value, I would think,
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: as opposed to, you know, money.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: But who is that going to benefit?
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: Well, people, I do think that there are people that
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: would like to see or have themselves recognised by a statue.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: I do think it's important that people see themselves in history.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: They did a survey on African-Americans in the US And
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: a lot of them aren't learning enough about their own
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: history at schools. So I think there is an issue
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: where a lot of people from these regions, the history
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: is just abolished. They're not even recognised.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: The problem is it doesn't stop at statues. It doesn't
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: stop at statues. So it's statues, it's money, and what's next? Oh, well,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: we need land. I mean, it's never just one thing.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I'd say just give him a statue and just say,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: we gave you a statue.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: But it doesn't stop at a statue. Sorry you're still
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: living in poverty, but look, we gave you this statue.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: And the other thing that really bothers me is the
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: West is constantly being demonised as being racist and you're
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: a bunch of bigots.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: That is a load of absolute nonsense. But, Michelle, this
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: just encourages that.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. It does.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: It hands it over and it basically says to them.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: You know what? You're right.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: The West is... The West are full of racists. The
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: West are completely racist. I just don't understand what a
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: statue could possibly do when Britain actually played a very big.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Role in abolishing it.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: But also.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: But I'm sure people from African descent played a really
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: big role in it as well, and I think that
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: that should be recognised.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: That's all it's saying.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: There is a slightly... But why.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: OK, but then.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Joe can't even get away.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, there's a slightly awkward bit
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: of history that I would love to see commemorated, which
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: is when white British... colonial troops and the Royal Navy
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: had to go in to fight off a black African
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: nation that was trying to stop them from taking all
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: their slaves away. They were saying, no, no, we need
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: the slave trade. This is what keeps us going. We
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: sold all these slaves to you guys so that we
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: could make our country with their prisoners of war. So
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: they go to war with a neighbouring country or a
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: neighbouring kingdom and then enslave them all, take them to
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the coast and and sell them to the English or
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: the Portuguese or the Spanish or the French or the Brazilians.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: And they were doing very happily. So you actually had
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: white abolitionists in conflict with black Africans who were demanding
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: the right to continue the slave trade. I want a
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: statue that represents that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: But at a time when our historic statues are being
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: torn down by the deranged left, when, you know, Captain Cook,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: for example, is being torn down.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: But that's all right.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's okay. We'll just appease minority groups
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: because that makes it better.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: It's better to build new statues than to tear down
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: existing ones.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Let's just have a statue on every corner.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I hate people tearing down statues. I think that is
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: the dumbest, most knuckle-dragging moronic response. And it is nothing
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: more guaranteed to make people feel that their culture or
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: their values or their nation is under threat or their
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: history is under threat. Agreed. And before this, of course,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: no-one even knew who the statues were of.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't even know there was a statue.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: I didn't know there was a statue of Queen Victoria
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: in Victoria Park.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: No-one did.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess the clue's in the name.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I don't even pay attention.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Anyway, but, yeah, I say just, you know, learn all
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: the bits of slavery. I would also like to see
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: more statues of eunuchs being in Arab nations to commemorate
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: all the young boys that they enslaved and then castrated
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: and then used as... OK, great.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a really, really big thing.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: That's quite a journey we're going down. What a journey
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: we're going down, Joe.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: On the inside of Joe's mind, anyway.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: It's amazing. I was going to say, I heard a
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: historian say with a straight face that a unit could do,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: actually get ahead and do really well for themselves if
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: they survived the operation. And I thought, gee, the word
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: if's doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: isn't it?
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Joe, that is a wonderful joke.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: There's no anaesthetic in those days, I'll tell you that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: That's great, Joe.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: That's one of your best.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Anyway, let's get to our pollies trying to be cool,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: which I think it's fair to say is never a
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: good idea. It was the great Mark Latham who, don't
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: look up his later career, but back in the day
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: he said that politics is Hollywood for ugly people. And
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: it's fair to say that if you want to be cool,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Politics is not the game for you, which is what
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: makes it all the more excruciating when you see politicians
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: on social media trying to get down and, you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: talk the language of the youth, you know, get down
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: with the kids, kick it old school on them corners.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Have a look at this little combination and please just
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: keep watching and join us at the end of it.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I promise you it will end.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Everyone knows the rules.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Save up, buy a property, get ahead.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Start a business, pay more tax. Invest in property, pay
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: more tax.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Die, pay more tax.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I'll fight for an Australia where everyone gets a fair go,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: not a reef game.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: Both the ushy market and the Australian housing market are
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: dictated by supply and demand. The problem right now is
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: that supply of ushies and supply of housing is not
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: keeping pace with demand.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Or in other words, there's been.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: A shortage of ushies.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: I believe that is what the young people call totes cringe,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: although judging by the way my son talks, the words
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: totes cringe are probably already now.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Totes cringe. Look, I love Annika Wells.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Do you?
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: But I just don't... What's wrong with you? Well, she...
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I think she's nice. She's quite funny.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Except she thinks that.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: The Ooshie thing is just.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we literally can't afford to buy a house, but, like,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: you're equating housing.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: With Ooshies, please.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: And also.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: And this is strong, strong boomer energy from these people.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: This is strong boomer energy.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Strong boomer energy.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Get away from the TikTok. Step away from TikTok. Concentrate
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: on doing the thing that you should be doing, running
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: a country.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Also, the government actually, like, the budget actually did say...
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: It's terrible... these measures will hurt housing supply.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: It actually said so.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: But that's my little contribution to the evening, kids. Say
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: what you like about me. I'm cooler than a politician.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll give you that one, I think, Joe. You
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: deserve that after the night that you've had so far. But, look,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: it is all a little bit cringe, isn't it? It's
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: absolutely ridiculous and it's all just wasting a lot of taxpayers'
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: money and then the time.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: It's what my son, my 12-year-old son, goes, it's chopped as, bro.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Chopped as. It is a bit chopped as. 6-7.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: No, that's cringe.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: No, that's all very cringe. All right, we're going to
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: take a break.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a break. Coming up next, we'll
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: take a look at the front pages. Which state is
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: the crime capital of the country? The answer might surprise you.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: That's next.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at tomorrow's front pages, starting with
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the advertiser exclusive, Albo's Health Heist. Anthony Albanese's proposed cuts
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: to health insurance rebates for over 65s will likely bankrupt
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: some private hospitals, push up the cost of pregnancy cover
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: and drive people into aged care. A scathing analysis warns
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: the federal government's $ 3 billion plan will overload an already
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: stretched public hospital system. The assessment is part of a
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Senate inquiry into Labor's modernising the private health insurance rebate bill.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Has Labor got any control right now of any sector
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: of the economy, of anyone's.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Lives right now? Ask your mate, Albo.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Do you think maybe it's possible the assessment was done
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: by the private health insurance industry? Like, do you just
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: think maybe.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: So you say it might not be right?
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Well, I might say, you know, as Paul Keating said,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: always back self-interest. It's the only horse you know that's
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: really trying.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: But we also know that Labor's been going after pensioners.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: That is also true.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Yes. He's like, I've got nothing.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Swings and roundabouts.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: We'll go to the Daily Telegraph.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: They're trying to help pensioners in this case.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: The Daily Telegraph. Gang war hits home for Minsk. Two
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: innocent men murdered in gang attacks this week, the Premier
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Chris Minns on the back foot, conceding he is now
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: deeply worried about the spiralling violence.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Now he is.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: Joshua McDonald, his death in a drive-by shooting at Marylands
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: West on Wednesday has sparked a flashpoint in the gang
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: war that has been running in the Harbour City since 2020.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: His death came only a.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: Day after Marco Tapia, 23, who was shot in the head...
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: in the head, in the bed, in his bed, inside
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: his Glen Alpine home. He also had no links to
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: organised crime. Now, we're seeing this time and time again. Now,
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: it's really interesting that he's now saying, oh, maybe there's
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: a bit of a problem.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Well, no, he's taking it very seriously. But I think
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: the take-home message is that, you know, hit men for...
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: Crime gangs are not very smart.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: They're not very smart. They're not very smart.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: But I just think it is appalling that two innocent
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: people have been murdered this week at the hands of
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: these gangs. And it's clearly an escalating problem in the state. Yep.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: And I think that Chris Minns should be doing more
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: about it, if I'm going to be honest, because clearly
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: not enough is being done. And then we'll go to
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: this one. Earth to Jim. Big four banks issue red
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: alert to treasure over rents and housing supply. Well, yes,
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: we know that there are issues there.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I think the interesting thing is the Commonwealth Bank, which
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: has previously been a bit nicer to let us now
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: on board. Let's go to the odds now. And a
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: cracker of an exclusive by our very own Shari Markson. Pro-Palestine,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: protest inferno. A brutal lesson for a, quote, baby Premier.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: This is a sit-down with Premier Chris Minns, who is
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Great man. I'm not sure you've met him.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: He's incredible.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Very charismatic too.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I know you love him.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: And the cheekbones. you could slice them.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: He's the only... Looks don't run a very good state.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: The looks... The looks just... They don't. The eyes are
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: the window to a mighty bar.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: How about we just.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: OK.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: New South Wales Premier Chris Minns says the policing strategy
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: behind allowing the pro-Palestinian march to proceed to the Sydney
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Opera House was, quote-unquote... and that he went along with
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: it because he was still a, quote, baby premier. Now,
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: this is a guy who just cuts through. See what
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about? In an exclusive interview for the upcoming
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: book Bondi Terror, Mr Minns reveals the reasoning law enforcement
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: agencies gave him on October 9 for letting the pro-Palestinian
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: rally proceed from the town hall to the Opera House.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Asked if he was given advice to allow protesters to
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: let off steam, Mr Minns said the short answer to
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: that is yes. And I think that manifested itself when
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: I was a new premier, a baby premier. And we
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: saw the march move from the town hall down to
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: the opera house. The constant advice I got from police
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: at the time was that's the way we do it.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: We marshal protests. We just let them go a few
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: more streets, let them get out of their system. and
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: then they dissipate, there's not a conflict.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not what happened.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: No, it's not what happened. That's what he's saying. That's
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: why he said, quote, unquote, it was bullshit.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's very convenient that he's blaming someone else
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: when he clearly was the Premier and.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Should have been.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: No, that's what he's saying. He's saying I should have
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: taken responsibility. I was too green.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Well, it's too little too late because the infectious disease
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: that was the pro-Palestine movement has really spread.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: He's kicked it in the nuts pretty squarely since then.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: You reckon? They hate him, yeah. He's been really good.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I hate everyone.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I think that Chris Minns has been quite a good
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: friend to the Jewish community.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: No, to the Jewish community, yes, but like the pro-Palestinians.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: But there are so many mistakes that was made and
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I really look forward to reading this book.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Because I'm sure that there's going to be so many
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: revelations to come of it. So, yeah, well done to
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Shari Markson. And Chris Bowen.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: Second one, yeah. Bowen's Ministry of Truth is here to
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: tell you that energy policy is going perfectly. I'm just
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: going to take that at face value and just move on,
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: shall we?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Nothing to see here.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: This is a scoop by Geoff Chambers and Noah Yim.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Chris Bowen's department has launched a cross-agency working group to
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: fight back against, quote, climate misinformation. It claims it's thwarting
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: the nation's troubled green energy transition. Oh, a bit of
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: editorialising there. Troubled? It's going great. Don't know where they're
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: getting their information from.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, Chris Bowen.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: As the Climate Change Authority, led by Matt Keane, stands
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: accused of colluding with activists on a stealth carbon tank.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Matt Keane, I couldn't imagine that.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Getting out there. Matt Keane and Chris Bowen fighting the
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: good fight.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Fighting the good fight.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Reaching out across the aisle to combat misinformation about how
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: incredibly well... the green energy rollout is going.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen hasn't got a leg to stand on.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: He's had a disastrous week spending $ 6 million of your
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: money swanning about the globe.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Now it's a campaign of information.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: He's got a good story to tell.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Give it up, Bowen. He's got a good tan. He's
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: got a good tan. He's got a good tan. He's
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: looking fresh over there.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: This is a shocking story on the front of the
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Newcastle Herald. Nasty nurse pleads guilty is the headline. An
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: aged care nurse working in a dementia wing at a
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Hunter facility subjected six elderly residents to a series of
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: disgusting and brutal assaults, punching them in the stomach, twisting
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: their genitals and nipples and farting in their faces.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: There's a yarn.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Phoebe Schwager was working as an assistant in nursing at
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: United Gardens Suburb when she repeatedly assaulted and abused a
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: number of elderly patients and two staff members between October
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: 2024 to 2025. Prosecutors said the 22-year-old assaulted the six
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: elderly residents with the intention to inflict pain or humiliate
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: and degrade them and had provided no explanation or shown
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: insight into her offending. this makes me feel sick to
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: the stomach.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: It's terrible. This makes me feel sick.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's so many Aussies around the
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: country with loved ones in nursing homes and to hear that,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: it just sends shivers up your spine. It physically makes
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: me feel sick that our most vulnerable are not being protected. Now,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: obviously this isn't the case in every single nursing.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Home, but.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: These, you know, The elderly are such a, they need
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: to be protected and I just, my heart goes out
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: to the victims of this.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: You know what's weird? Why, if you got a kick
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: out of this sort of stuff, why would you become
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: a nurse?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I don't get it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Would you actually do it just because if I become
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: a nurse, I'll have.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: I'll have power over all these people.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I don't understand it. Clearly there's something else going on.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Anyway, nasty, I think, is an understatement.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Psycho behaviour.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, psycho behaviour.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Let's go to the Cairns Post, where few victims but
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: state still leads nation. Queensland keeps its crown. And I
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: found this very surprising. So Premier David Christopher Lee is
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: on track to meet his famous election commitment to reduce
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: victim numbers in Queensland, but the state has retained its
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: crime capital.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Crown.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Three years in a row, Australian Bureau of Statistics data
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: reveals there were 12,000 fewer Queensland crime victims in 2025,
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: a 4.1% decrease. The state government attributed the drop to
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: its tough crime stance despite a national decline. Now, Police
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Minister Dan Purdy said that the state was leading the nation.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: We've got more police, three tenters of adult crime, adult
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: time and breach bail go to jail.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: So every other state is looking to us.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: I reckon Victoria's looking at them saying, what do we
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: have to do?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised that it wasn't Victoria, to be quite honest.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I am as well.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: David Christopher, he's done a wonderful job. He's done a
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: really good job. In actually bringing down that crime rate.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: And you look over in Victoria and every week it's
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: an issue, you know, day in, day out there's a problem.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: So I'm not sure how the statistics.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Worked out there.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of opportunity in this for Ben Carroll.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: New slogan, Victoria, we're not as bad as Queensland.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: That's actually not too bad.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, seriously, absolutely astonishing.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: I'll put One Nation in their box.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe. We're going to take a quick break. Coming
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: up next is National Flag Day. So why was the
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: New Zealand flag being flown outside of Parliament alongside ours?
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: That's next.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Welcome back.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Well, this isn't something you see every day. Two mice
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: had a bit of a quarrel in the underground in London.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Have a look.
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  Speaker 2: Get him.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Go on, get him.
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: Get him.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, how's that?
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: So they were chasing each other on the Oxford Circus
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: subway platform and then, you know, just toddled off.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: I'm glad you gave the name of the train line
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: that they were on so.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: People can track them down.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: They were going shopping along Oxford Street.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm no expert, but shouldn't that be a
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: mouse and a cat?
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe it should be.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe they're romantically involved. Who knows? Well, that's right.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Good on them, I'd say.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Very disturbing behavioural qualities. It doesn't look like there's a
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: lot of consent happening there. That's right.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Let's head to New York now.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: Now, a 24-year-old, he left his home, he was on
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: the way to the dentist and he was struck by
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: lightning but managed to escape unharmed.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Take a look. BELL RINGS.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Now the best part about this is he's a Republican
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Party political staffer.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: There you go. So God's a Democrat.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: God is talking.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: God is a Democrat.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: No.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: You would have to be.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: You're pretty lucky.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Like, if I were him, I would go out and
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: buy a lotto ticket right now.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, he did actually get lucky because he's
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: actually just been hired by the New York Philharmonic Orchestra.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: What? Really?
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a great conductor. Oh, stop. Oh, Joe!
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Joe is on fire.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: I'll see myself out.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Joe is on fire.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: No, but seriously, you'd be pretty lucky. And the fact
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: that he... Because I'm often... If you get hit by lightning, like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: what happens to you? Well, you never get struck twice, right?
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: I know, you'd have to ask... You'd have to ask
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: my ex-girlfriends that, Denica. Oh, God.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: OK, go.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Anyway, let's just say sparks flew.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, righto.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Anyway, talk about sparks flying. I absolutely blew my top
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: when I saw this. It is National Flag Day and
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: the Australian Parliament House to celebrate raised 44 Australian flags. Except,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: hang on a minute, what's wrong with this picture? It's
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: from New Zealand. They put up two, not one. But
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: two New Zealand flags, which are nowhere near as good
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: as ours, it just looks like there's something missing in
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: that stupid red star thing.
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: How could you mistake that for the Australian flag?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: And especially in the capital.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: Yes, and it's Flag Day. Apparently it was only up
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: for two hours, but it was two hours too long,
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: I say.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Like, how could anyone who just... How do you not
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: know your flag? Like, you're rolling it out. Surely the
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: people putting this up are, like, professional flag guys.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: Are they just being paid to be flag people?
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Maybe they get, like, the local primary school, say, hey, kids,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: time to put up some flags. Pick the flag, any flag.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: But I actually think it's a pretty big problem. I
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: think it's a big problem that whoever's put up the flag.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Doesn't know our national flag. Exactly.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: And you know what? I'm sorry, in the article it's like,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: it was just a general mishap.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: It was two general mishaps.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: It's not a general mishap. It's a pretty big mishap.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: It was two general mishaps. And imagine, you know, it
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: could have been so much worse. Imagine if they put
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: up the French flag. People thought we were a bunch
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: of garlic-chomping, stinking, hairy-arm-pitted surrender monkeys.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: You'd hope they'd notice, oh. right, we've got to go. Joe, Michelle,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: it's been.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: An absolute pleasure this evening. Thanks to you at home.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Coming up next, it's the Rita Panahy Show. Good night.